In this episode of Prisoner's Pardon Podcast, host Michi J discusses the sensitive topic of reentry for sex offenders with special guest Mitch Stupica. Mitch shares his life story, including his struggles with mental health, drug addiction, and his legal troubles stemming from a sexual relationship with a minor and other crimes. As Mitch reflects on his past, he provides insights into the impacts of his upbringing, the consequences of deceptive behavior, and the complexities of reentry into society. The episode emphasizes the importance of community support, understanding, and accountability. Mitch also highlights his journey towards recovery, forgiveness, and his efforts to inform and guide others to avoid similar pitfalls.

00:00 Introduction and Personal Background

00:51 Welcome to Prisoner's Pardon Podcast

01:07 Discussing Reentry for Sex Offenders

03:02 Introducing Mitch Stupica

03:46 Mitch's Early Life and Struggles

05:58 Mitch's Teenage Years and Legal Issues

10:04 The Impact of Family Dynamics

19:19 Mitch's Conviction and Legal Consequences

28:04 Understanding the Legal Consequences

28:34 The Romeo and Juliet Law Explained

30:09 The Importance of Awareness and Prevention

34:58 Personal Reflections and Regrets

36:19 Living with the Consequences

39:09 Navigating Legal and Social Challenges

43:42 The Role of Accountability and Mentorship

49:52 Recovery and Moving Forward

52:16 Final Thoughts and Gratitude

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I thought that it was

okay to be deceptive.

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That if I told the truth, it

would come with punishment.

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Oh, just tell me the truth

and , everything will be okay.

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You're not going to get in trouble.

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And then when I would be honest, it would

come and be reinforced with punishment.

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So I started living a double life with

selling drugs and gang activity and,

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and trying to be surface compliant,

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I thought that it was

okay to be deceptive.

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Welcome everybody to

Prisoner's Pardon Podcast.

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I'm Mic J, your host, and today, again,

you always know, I always say I have

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a special guest because I always do.

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You know why?

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Because everybody is special.

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Today we're going to be talking

about a really touchy subject.

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Many people get triggered

by this, and you know what?

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It's prevalent, and I do understand

why we're gonna be talking about

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reentry for sex offenders and.

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Just so that you know, when you hear

that term, it, categorizes a big

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group of people and it's different

categories, it's different circumstances.

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And I just want you all to be aware of

that and your heart softened to listen,

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but also using your mind at the same time.

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So again, we're going to be

talking about a touchy subject.

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We won't have any kind of foul

language or anything like that.

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It will be a good listen for, young

ones, but not too young because a

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lot of people, I would say a lot of,

not just people, but young people

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are involved with sex and it is.

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In my opinion, something like only should

be done by adults because of some of the

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consequences that can come out of that.

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So I'm glad that you're here.

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I'm glad that you're

taking the time to listen.

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And I really appreciate all that you do.

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Please, once you hear this

video, Please send us feedback.

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I really appreciate it so that we can

make this show better So people can

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get the value that they need because

this is things that we really should be

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talking about Again, this is like a taboo

subject but here on prisoners pardon.

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We don't back away from that so we

approach things and because we do want

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to add value in this area too because

there is not a lot of things For

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people that have a sex offender case.

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So again, that was just to let you

know what we're about to talk about.

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And my guest here today is Mitch Stupica.

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He is Yugoslavian and haven't talked

to him as much as I would like

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to, but I wanted to talk to him

today because he has a great story.

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He does have a case like this and this

is going to be interesting because he's

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going to come from the, Emphasis of

being the male , in this particular case.

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And I want you to listen

to what he has to say.

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Welcome Mitch.

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Hey, now, for coming on the show.

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And I really appreciate it.

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Coming here and talking about

such a sensitive subject.

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So Mitch, tell us a little bit

about yourself so people can

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understand who you are at first.

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Well, I've been through a lot of

trauma in my life from my father

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having mental health issues.

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Uh, a lot of mental health issues

in my family from my grandma having

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schizophrenia, there's been Alzheimer's

going on in my family, a lot of

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addiction from my uncle charlie.

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Um, and you know, I was born

in 1984, so crack epidemic and

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drugs were quite prevalent.

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And my family and just genetically

speaking, I've was diagnosed with

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attention deficit in 1993 with

an oppositional defiant disorder.

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Um, and in 96 I was diagnosed

with bipolar disorder.

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So I was been on medication

majority of my life from 93.

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I remember when my, when they found

out and I was diagnosed, I went from

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getting, um, disciplined physically

to He's sick, Mitchell's sick, and um,

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I really didn't understand what I was

going through, you know, um, but I was

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on anywhere from Ritalin to Adderall to

Wobutrin, Devacol, Clonidine, Risperdal,

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Prozac, it was always a cocktail.

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And growing up in my family,

we, it was me and my sister.

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My dad was emotionally unavailable.

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My mom was the alpha female.

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She's Irish from Chicago.

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My dad sides from Cleveland.

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And so it was just the

four of us in a avoidant.

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Type of family that was very passive

aggressive, didn't want to talk

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about the elephant in the room.

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And majority of the time was

spent catering to me with the

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school system with an IEP.

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I had a learning disability,

emotionally disturbed.

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And so, I got into drugs quite early

on to cope with a lot of the emotional

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instability that I had growing up

at by the age of 12 I was using

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marijuana, cocaine, psychedelics, you

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And, um, I was convicted early on.

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I had a juvenile case of breaking

and entering and stuff like that.

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Um, just, you know, mischievous things.

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Um, And when I went into high

school, uh, it was, this was 1999.

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So I'm sorry to interrupt you, but

yeah, you just gave us a long little

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bio about the, , mental conditions

and some of the medications

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you've taken and stuff like that.

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And , what about,, did you work how

were you in the community , did you

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have any kind of skill sets that

you did to was all of your time?

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Um, just being what we call a

bad boy or something like that.

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I worked, I had a job early on at 14.

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Team at McDonald's got fired for

smoking weed in the bathroom.

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Okay.

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And then I got my first, you

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I was working at a, uh, river Hills

West Healthcare Center in p Walke

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and I was in dietary, so, and then I

started working at Cold's Furniture.

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So I've always.

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kept the job because my, my parents

were, um, they weren't well off, but

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they were real adamant on work, work.

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But I never was able

to usually keep a job.

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And that was due to my mental health

issues, like bipolar, you know, I

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wouldn't show up on time and it would

really affect my emotional state.

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So were you doing, , When you

wasn't showing up on time and

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stuff, when you lost your job,

was it because of just that?

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Or were you also doing drugs?

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Well, yeah, you said

you were doing the week.

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I was, I was heavy.

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Yeah.

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And I was, you know, prior to me getting

heavy in my addiction and self medicating,

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I was, there was already a plan.

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Uh, obsession and character defects.

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Um, where I thought that it

was okay to be deceptive.

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That if I told the truth, it

would come with punishment.

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Oh, you know, just tell me the truth

and you know, everything will be okay.

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You're not going to get in trouble.

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And then when I would be honest, it would

come and be reinforced with punishment.

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So I started living a double life with

selling drugs and gang activity and, and

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trying to be surface compliant, you know,

be perceived in this one way Work and

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uh, yeah, you know, I got the greatest

potential, but on the other side, I

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was deceptive, manipulative and very

disassociated with life, very antisocial

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behaviors and more of an extrovert.

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I always felt ostracized from people.

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I never really felt like I fit in.

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I never really felt like I had

any type of place in this life.

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And so part of it had to do with the

mental health issue, but also just with.

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All the psychiatry that I was

put under with everything was

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just made to make it seem like I,

it was something wrong with me.

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I was sick and nobody could relate.

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Okay.

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So thank you for bringing that up.

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I think you said a point about being

deceptive and you got, the punishment

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when you were true faith, And that's

why you didn't tell the truth because

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you didn't want that punishment.

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You didn't.

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What kind of punishment was that Larry?

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And I would get the silent

treatment, which I would start

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feeling like I was rejected.

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Like when my parents wouldn't talk to me.

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I think that that just the emotional

abandonment, uh, I would get.

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Uh, hit with whatever my dad at the time

before that from extension cores to belts.

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My dad was before these diagnosis

were even in, uh, on the table.

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Uh, I was just this problem.

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Child that needed to be whooped, you

know, come from the old school spirit

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of spirit of riots for the child and

Just the verbal abuse the emotional

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abuse that you know I remember my mom

used to say you're just like my brother.

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You're just like my mom.

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Well, I never met my grandma I never

really had a relationship with my brother.

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And so I Internalized that and say well

if I'm just like them you're gonna abandon

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me and leave me anyways You're going

to reject me anyways, just like them.

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So I never really got close

with, you know, my mom.

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I never really got close with

people, even those in authority

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because I didn't really trust them.

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I used to see a lot of things in the

public school system when it came to kids

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with autism and kids with other learning

disabilities and they would be abused

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and you know it was hard for me to trust

those in authority because the people

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in authority abused their authority.

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I'm not saying all of them but I

saw a lot of things that would give

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me selective memory to where it

would reinforce a lot of the trauma

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that I went through as a child.

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So in your estimation like you said

they punished you with the silent

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treatment , excessive punishments

with, , cords, verbal abuse, that

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quite naturally took your trust away.

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You know, I think anybody would have that.

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So what do you think should have been the

outcome with you being honest with them?

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If you were the parent,

what would you have done?

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I think with the, uh, you know, looking

back, I think having a safe environment.

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place to where you could come a judgment

free zone where you could be encouraged

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and be supportive to the child.

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I know that, you know, there has

to be some form of discipline,

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especially, you know, to correct

problematic and antisocial behavior.

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Um, I think that with my, my

parents, they did the best that they

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could, but I feel like, I was just

talking with my sister recently.

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She was the obedient child and I was

the one that always would act out.

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And this was my way of avoiding

a lot of the things that was

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going on where my parents would

fight all the time and argue.

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And I would think that it

was something wrong with me.

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Well, maybe if you get rid of me because

there was always money problems, there

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was always something that was going on.

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I'm the one to blame.

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Maybe if I just commit suicide that I

would be able to, you guys would be happy.

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And I used to take on a lot of that

guilt and shame and rejection because

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my parents never had a good marriage.

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And so that communication style, I think

I just wanted to be heard and understood.

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And I never felt that way.

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You never felt you got that one.

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Okay.

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Which is understandable because

we all need to be, , heard,

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you know, in children.

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Now understand and we do

take on guilt They've really

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affected with broken marriages.

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We see this all everywhere.

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I believe everybody can agree with

that that broken marriages and

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broken homes make broken children, so

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I was glad to hear that That you said

they did the best that they could, and

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I'm willing to bet something happened

in their past where they weren't

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able to parent as they, should have.

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So I'm glad to hear that.

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You have some forgiveness there.

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Yeah, okay And because that's really

necessary But you said the word judgment

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no judgment zone and I must admit My

antennas go up when I hear that word

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judgment because it's so many times people

use it incorrectly um, it depends on the

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content because god said judge yourself

and then it's another part in the bible

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that says Don't judge so It's definitely

two different things meanings there.

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So it's really said in the New Testament.

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So it's in Greek.

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So in Greek, , as one of my Bible teachers

at church to say, it's more colorful.

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So it have more, , more words.

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But in English, it's, one word that

they would use that could mean a lot of

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things, but it depends on the context.

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So, uh, to make it clear, judgment

is Um, the way you're, the way you're

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speaking of is just being able to examine

and look at things because a lot of

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people use that inappropriately and

it shuts down the process to actually

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help somebody because you have to say

something to be able to do something.

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You have to know what, what you're saying.

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What's going on to be able to attack

it, to be able to direct what we

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need to do to stop the problem.

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So you have to expose it.

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But some people, um, misconstrued

that they use it in appropriately.

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And now they stopped that process when

they don't know that they're stopping.

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They actually stop it.

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So, I would like to say it's examined.

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Judging is nobody can judge

but God because he's the only

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good person and able to judge.

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Everybody has done something.

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Everybody is working on things.

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So we can't judge.

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So we leave that judging.

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to him.

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But we still must examine.

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So that being the case, you wanted a safe

place in a non judgmental place, right?

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I guess that's what you should.

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But you wanted a place

where you can be examined.

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So since they didn't know how they just

worked off of what they all they know.

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So I'm glad again that you have

forgiveness and because if you did

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not, it would be hard for you to

move forward because unforgiveness

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leads to bitterness and it's get sour.

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And then it's not what they would

say, uh, compartmentalized is going

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to spill over into other places.

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So you have to deal with it.

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that.

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You can't just leave it there

because it's gonna actually

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spill over to all authority.

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So, and that's exactly

what happened with you.

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So, , in looking back and now that

we explain like examining them having

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this safe place, um, what would you

think they should have done better?

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Now that you're in a better place, we're

looking back now and we can look at this

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picture of you sitting there as a child

and you're having these issues that

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they're not aware of and they have issues.

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So what if we, if it was a perfect

world, so somewhat, what would you as a

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parent do just to validate my feelings?

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Because I knew that they loved me.

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I just didn't feel that they loved me.

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Did they say that they loved you?

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They would, but it was, it always

felt like it was out of obligation.

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Like we were like, I love you.

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I love you too.

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It was never like set me down and say,

you know, I know you got some issues.

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Yeah.

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And we're working on that, but I

really love you no matter what.

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I like that.

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That's a good way to do it.

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At the point where you're examining,

validate the person, encourage the person

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and let them know that you love them.

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And that's how we should do things.

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we should do things in love.

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That means if, if our motives are right,

and we're trying to actually build

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the person up, and not tear them down.

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And they unknowingly were tearing you

down and contributing to the problem.

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So because most of it was

like, well, why can I do that?

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Well, because I said so, you know, it's

just like I'm trying to understand.

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I'm trying to be understood and I

never felt like I was understood.

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It was always Put a band aid on cancer.

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. Um, and I think that just leads up to,

um, just, you know, I look back at the,

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the conviction that I was, um, convicted

of a third degree sexual assault in 2003.

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Tell us, um, sorry to interrupt,

tell us a little bit about that.

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Um, so, So I was, I got a

job at Radio Shack in 2003.

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I would just turn 18.

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I was in high school.

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It was my senior year.

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And so, um, I was out in Madison and

I met a girl she was 15 at the time.

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She was in high school with me.

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Well, like, you know, we didn't go

to the same high school, but you

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know, we were both in high school.

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And so I liked her.

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She liked me.

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And, um, I wanted to celebrate, and

so we were smoking weed, you know,

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drinking, and we decided to go back

to, uh, uh, my mom's house in Wales,

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Wisconsin, and we had sex that night.

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She was, uh She was 15.

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I was 18 at the time.

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How did you know her age?

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Uh, well, she told me.

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She told you?

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Yeah.

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So you knew her age?

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Yeah, I knew her age.

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And at that time, you

know, I'm in high school.

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I didn't really think of

that was inappropriate.

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You know, um, I didn't like, this

is, we're in high school together.

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This is my friend, you know, this

is my, this is my little, this is

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my little girlfriend, you know?

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And, um, I think it was more of

like I'm getting the attention

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that I wasn't getting at home.

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Uh, somebody likes me for me

and we want to build something.

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I want to celebrate, you

know, I just got a job.

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I was in celebratory

mode and didn't realize.

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Uh, I didn't really look at

the red flags looking back.

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Um, that, why was it so easy for you

to come with me when we just met?

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Um, where you don't have

to go home while I'm grown.

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Okay, well, you've grown.

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So am I, you know, not really

looking at the fact that,

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well, where's your parents at?

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I look back at it now.

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She was, she was, um, she ran away

at the time she was on probation.

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I found this out later during the

conviction when we get the discovery.

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Um, so I was still communicating with

her for a couple, about three months.

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And, um, I got upset.

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I went out to Madison to get up with her.

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And my friend and her and her

friend, we were going to go

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on a date and she let me down.

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She canceled on me.

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Who is this?

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The girl.

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She let you down?

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Okay.

328

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Yeah.

329

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And so I struggle with disappointment

and being letting down and that

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goes back to my own trauma.

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And so I said a whole bunch

of, uh, horrible things to

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her and broke up with her.

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Fast forward.

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Um, I was called in by Walker Shaw

County, uh, detectives and they asked

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me about the situation and saying,

well, this girl saying you sexually

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assaulted her at the time, I thought

that she was saying that I forced myself

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on her and, you know, um, was violent.

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And you know, raped her.

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So I committed, uh, I, uh, confessed to

having consensual sex with my girlfriend

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thinking like, no, I didn't rape her.

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So they let me go.

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And, um, about a month and a half,

two months later, this was in 2003, I

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was charged with second degree sexual

assault of a minor because she was 15

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and she legally couldn't give consent.

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And the discovery, she told her

psychiatrist that we broke up

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and then we were having sex.

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Yeah.

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And so that's when they investigated it.

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And because I was 18 at

the time, I was an adult.

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And so back then they didn't have what

they call as a Romeo and Juliet clause

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with the age difference, which now my

conviction, if I was 18 and she would

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have been 15 at the time, it would have

been a misdemeanor, but back then it

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was second degree sexual assault of a

minor, it got dropped down to a third

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degree and I was sentenced to seven

year probation to consecutive to another

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separate case of attempted armed robbery.

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Because after that, I just went downhill

once I got that charge, it just was

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a matter of time for me to end up

in prison for other things because

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I was already, um, I got, uh, right.

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Yeah.

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I'm sorry to answer it, but why did it

get dropped down to the third degree?

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Um, well, I wanted it when

I was getting the plea.

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I wanted to get dropped down

to a fourth degree misdemeanor.

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But but they said, because I had the

other separate case, they wouldn't drop

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it down to a misdemeanor because they

already kind of have this perception that

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I was just violent because I had other

batteries and other things going on.

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So that was their perception.

367

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You think that was the right

perception at the time?

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Yeah, I was violent.

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Um, I didn't see that I was

violent towards, sexually violent.

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So they applied the violence

from the other one to this one.

371

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Yeah.

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So that's why it didn't get dropped down

to the fourth, but it did come down.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

375

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All right.

376

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Um, why did it start at second degree?

377

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Cause she was 15 and my

What's the first degree?

378

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First degree is like Pedophile.

379

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Okay.

380

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Rape, first degree,

intentional like force.

381

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Okay.

382

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Uh, pedophile.

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Like if you were with a prepubescent

child and she was 15 at the time,

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so legally she couldn't give

consent and it was already a felony.

385

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Right.

386

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Since I was 18.

387

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Okay.

388

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So again, you had that case going on.

389

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So was uh, this.

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What happened before you

did the armed robbery?

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Okay.

392

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So after that, I was supposed

to be, come to court for that.

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And then like a week before, I was

supposed to appear for court for that.

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I committed attempted armed

robbery and a reckless.

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And what?

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A reckless, uh, a reckless

endangerment safety.

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Okay, reckless.

398

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Yeah.

399

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May I put, um, I pulled a knife to

somebody's throat and threatened,

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um, and attempted to rob them.

401

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Was that, it was a, was it that

armed robbery was the night before

402

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it was a knife as well, or was it?

403

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Yeah, that was the attempted armed

robbery because no money was taken.

404

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No money was.

405

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Okay.

406

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Um, why didn't it, why

didn't you take the money?

407

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Cause he didn't have any.

408

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I mean, what did you say?

409

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Okay.

410

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I'll just let you go.

411

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Yeah.

412

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Like let you go.

413

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But they called the police.

414

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And

415

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when we went in, They were going to try

to get dropped down to the attempted armed

416

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robbery because no money was took and

no money was demanded because, uh, due

417

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to what I was saying was pocket check.

418

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And what did you, what did you just say?

419

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I said, I said pocket check.

420

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I put somebody, put a knife to somebody's

throat and I said pocket check.

421

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I didn't demand it.

422

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So in the courtroom, we asked them

to define what pocket check means and

423

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nobody could, but since a felony was

committed, the reckless endangering

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safety, that's why it was pocket check.

425

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Pushed to the arraignment and

it's just, it was, you said pocket

426

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check and what does that mean?

427

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Like I'm going to go in your pockets.

428

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That's what you said.

429

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Yeah.

430

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So you, so it has to be a, you

was talking this language and

431

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that person understood that it.

432

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Okay.

433

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Yeah.

434

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You were robbing them.

435

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Yeah.

436

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Okay.

437

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And they didn't have any money.

438

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So I left it.

439

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Went on my way.

440

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Okay.

441

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All right.

442

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So now we understand why

they, they, um, yeah.

443

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And I had already had others like, uh,

batteries and others like on my record.

444

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So they kind of put everything

in a span of, uh, like six

445

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months to like nine months.

446

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I had other misdemeanor charges

with a fight with my dad.

447

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And a fight at school.

448

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And they're like, no,

you need to be locked up.

449

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And so I got five years in for

the robbery, and five years

450

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extended supervision for the

attempted armed robbery case.

451

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For the third degree sexual assault,

because I got dropped down, it was

452

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seven years probation, run consecutive

to the ten year robbery sentence.

453

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So after I would have finished the ten

year robbery sentence, then I would start

454

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the third degree sexual assault case.

455

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It was, oh, it wasn't combined.

456

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No, it was one consecutive.

457

00:28:14,290 --> 00:28:19,880

So, now the seven year probation case,

they had a stay and oppose sentence,

458

00:28:20,250 --> 00:28:22,630

uh, four years in and five years out.

459

00:28:22,780 --> 00:28:26,730

If I, if I completed the seven

years probation, I would just

460

00:28:26,730 --> 00:28:27,750

do seven years probation.

461

00:28:27,910 --> 00:28:28,230

Okay.

462

00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:28,820

If I didn't.

463

00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:31,610

I would go back for four years

automatically in five years,

464

00:28:31,650 --> 00:28:33,520

which that ended up happening.

465

00:28:33,790 --> 00:28:34,090

Okay.

466

00:28:34,220 --> 00:28:38,310

So, so, um, I'm going to

interrupt there a little bit

467

00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,210

to give the audience

some background on this.

468

00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:46,870

It's the Romeo and Juliet law.

469

00:28:47,980 --> 00:28:52,110

It's where it doesn't make.

470

00:28:52,540 --> 00:28:58,830

Sex with a teenager legal, but it

exists to prevent the offender from

471

00:28:58,830 --> 00:29:01,660

having to register as a sex offender.

472

00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:09,957

So what they do is they apply this when

there's a small age difference between the

473

00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:14,657

two parties so that everyone understand

what the Romeo and Juliet lie is.

474

00:29:15,257 --> 00:29:18,407

Not every state has it

to my understanding.

475

00:29:18,417 --> 00:29:20,747

Wisconsin does not have it.

476

00:29:21,677 --> 00:29:22,787

Um, what

477

00:29:26,177 --> 00:29:32,027

under this law too, and not having

this in place, I would say it

478

00:29:32,027 --> 00:29:34,977

can be a lifetime registration.

479

00:29:35,287 --> 00:29:36,917

So are you a lifetime registration?

480

00:29:36,917 --> 00:29:38,867

15 years, 15 years.

481

00:29:39,437 --> 00:29:40,397

Praise God for that.

482

00:29:41,037 --> 00:29:45,787

That's I think that's good because

in some cases they can hit people

483

00:29:45,797 --> 00:29:47,577

with a lifetime registration.

484

00:29:47,867 --> 00:29:53,977

So yeah, I think due to the, the,

the circumstances of the offense,

485

00:29:54,917 --> 00:29:56,647

that's why they made it for 10 years.

486

00:29:56,657 --> 00:29:56,857

And

487

00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:00,890

I think that's up to the judge, right?

488

00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,730

So that is something to be thankful for.

489

00:30:05,968 --> 00:30:08,938

because it could have been because

some people are hit lifetime for this.

490

00:30:09,018 --> 00:30:14,898

So I wanted to tell the audience

that it is very vital that young men

491

00:30:15,038 --> 00:30:18,178

understand this, especially if they

live in the state of Wisconsin and

492

00:30:18,178 --> 00:30:23,848

other states, that the girl, whether

she consents or not, is a woman.

493

00:30:23,988 --> 00:30:27,978

She is considered a minor, meaning

that she cannot give consent and

494

00:30:27,978 --> 00:30:29,418

the state would take up the case.

495

00:30:29,988 --> 00:30:35,718

It, once they find out they're going to

take it up, , it does not matter what

496

00:30:36,818 --> 00:30:41,698

that parents say or the child say, the

state actually prosecutes those cases.

497

00:30:41,698 --> 00:30:48,308

So it can, you can have cases where

I've looked some of these things up.

498

00:30:48,768 --> 00:30:53,798

Anybody can look this up online,

um, about, especially here

499

00:30:53,798 --> 00:30:55,508

in Wisconsin, how you can.

500

00:30:55,658 --> 00:31:00,708

If you can just send pictures, if

you're a minor, if you're looking

501

00:31:00,708 --> 00:31:04,738

at pictures, somebody exposed

themselves, you can get charged.

502

00:31:05,418 --> 00:31:10,168

So this is very critical that people

understand what, what's going on

503

00:31:10,168 --> 00:31:16,538

here because they can wake up like

you thinking that it's nothing and

504

00:31:16,538 --> 00:31:23,148

it's easy to do that, considering

our culture that's saturated with

505

00:31:23,158 --> 00:31:28,828

sex, it's, um, you have young girls

walking around improperly dressed.

506

00:31:29,588 --> 00:31:34,608

They look way older than what they are,

and they're so easily can fool men.

507

00:31:34,638 --> 00:31:39,528

I've heard, I've talked to a lot

of men that this has been the case.

508

00:31:39,528 --> 00:31:41,368

They didn't, they thought they was older.

509

00:31:41,603 --> 00:31:42,503

And they didn't check.

510

00:31:43,243 --> 00:31:44,433

They need to check.

511

00:31:44,753 --> 00:31:47,233

Birth certificates do not

believe what they say.

512

00:31:48,963 --> 00:31:53,523

, I'm an advocate where, , the

way God intended it is to be

513

00:31:54,153 --> 00:31:55,693

in the boundaries of marriage.

514

00:31:55,723 --> 00:31:57,953

And this is one of the reasons why.

515

00:31:58,133 --> 00:32:03,963

Because if you get caught outside those

boundaries, you can get locked up.

516

00:32:04,453 --> 00:32:14,313

And it's confusing considering how

people dress, how you have a lot of,

517

00:32:14,833 --> 00:32:20,963

uh, instances and laws where they're

saying where young kids can give

518

00:32:21,003 --> 00:32:25,533

consent, for instance, to do sex

changes, different things like that.

519

00:32:26,023 --> 00:32:29,143

But then in this instance, we

have it where they cannot give

520

00:32:29,153 --> 00:32:32,053

consent to have sexual intercourse.

521

00:32:32,573 --> 00:32:35,443

Anybody would be confused

in that sort of scenario.

522

00:32:35,863 --> 00:32:40,793

So my heart goes out to you,

I suggest you get informed.

523

00:32:40,803 --> 00:32:45,383

That's the reason for this

show, to reduce the recidivism

524

00:32:45,383 --> 00:32:47,433

rate, to keep you out of jail.

525

00:32:48,193 --> 00:32:50,143

And if you go, don't go back.

526

00:32:50,163 --> 00:32:54,313

These are things that you need to

understand is the laws of the land where

527

00:32:54,313 --> 00:32:56,383

you stay because it does impact you.

528

00:32:56,723 --> 00:33:01,073

And if you have young people,

please talk to them about this.

529

00:33:01,433 --> 00:33:04,093

Just sending pictures

of themselves exposed.

530

00:33:04,468 --> 00:33:05,408

On their phones.

531

00:33:06,928 --> 00:33:11,648

It's in the girl for as I'm understanding,

it's not being charged with that boy

532

00:33:11,648 --> 00:33:15,818

is going to be charged for pornography.

533

00:33:16,408 --> 00:33:22,678

Um, even though she doesn't want, even

though the girl may not want to be

534

00:33:22,678 --> 00:33:27,198

charged, but if she was to get angry

at you because you said, I'm not saying

535

00:33:27,198 --> 00:33:30,398

this happened with you, but I'm just

going to say if the girl happens to

536

00:33:30,398 --> 00:33:33,273

get angry, even if you're saying 16.

537

00:33:33,283 --> 00:33:34,123

She's 16.

538

00:33:34,243 --> 00:33:35,143

You all have sex.

539

00:33:36,553 --> 00:33:37,483

You can get charged.

540

00:33:37,773 --> 00:33:38,013

Yeah.

541

00:33:38,273 --> 00:33:38,703

Period.

542

00:33:38,773 --> 00:33:43,483

That's so our audience understand

this and how huge this is and how

543

00:33:43,483 --> 00:33:46,363

this is affecting a lot of people.

544

00:33:47,023 --> 00:33:51,093

And this, you need to be sitting

down because I'm going and doing

545

00:33:51,123 --> 00:33:53,533

adult things like having sex.

546

00:33:53,753 --> 00:33:58,953

You don't understand the consequences

of it and how easy you're on a win.

547

00:33:59,578 --> 00:34:05,428

On a whim of a female saying that

just going and talking about it, it

548

00:34:05,428 --> 00:34:06,958

can get back and get you locked up.

549

00:34:07,338 --> 00:34:07,358

Yeah.

550

00:34:07,368 --> 00:34:09,478

So yes, Mitch is right here.

551

00:34:09,478 --> 00:34:10,628

You all can't see him.

552

00:34:10,697 --> 00:34:13,918

He's understanding exactly what I'm

saying because he has experienced it.

553

00:34:14,118 --> 00:34:20,608

So again, here we are, Mitch,

not much age difference, did

554

00:34:20,618 --> 00:34:22,598

have consent from the young lady.

555

00:34:23,358 --> 00:34:25,438

Wait, Mitch was a werewolf?

556

00:34:26,318 --> 00:34:27,648

that he can get charged.

557

00:34:28,027 --> 00:34:34,007

Just that little bit of information

changed the whole trajectory of your life.

558

00:34:34,038 --> 00:34:38,858

But what we do here, we encourage

because you can learn from this

559

00:34:38,918 --> 00:34:43,703

and Mitch is going to inform more

people because He's living it.

560

00:34:43,703 --> 00:34:50,543

And people, you know, route people to the

show, let them hear this episode because

561

00:34:50,553 --> 00:34:56,523

this is very, very impactful because it's

so easy for someone to get locked up.

562

00:34:56,683 --> 00:34:58,003

This could happen to anybody.

563

00:34:58,173 --> 00:34:58,413

Yeah.

564

00:34:58,413 --> 00:35:00,793

And I just want to say that,

you know, looking back,

565

00:35:02,933 --> 00:35:04,493

I would have did it way differently.

566

00:35:04,813 --> 00:35:12,696

Like, you know, taking the time to get to

know her, you know, I look at my part in

567

00:35:12,696 --> 00:35:16,953

the, in just seeing the red flags and then

looking at the case that she was running.

568

00:35:17,703 --> 00:35:18,563

She was on probation.

569

00:35:18,563 --> 00:35:19,963

She was seeing a psychiatrist.

570

00:35:20,663 --> 00:35:24,043

Had I would have took the time

to get to know her, it would have

571

00:35:24,043 --> 00:35:25,413

probably had a different outcome.

572

00:35:26,043 --> 00:35:29,643

See, I was at the time, I was just

thinking about, Oh, she's into me.

573

00:35:29,833 --> 00:35:35,543

You know, I get to get what I want out

of the situation because what teenage

574

00:35:35,543 --> 00:35:41,123

boy doesn't want to have sex, you know,

and especially if it's agreeable, you

575

00:35:41,123 --> 00:35:44,463

know, and I look at it ruined my life.

576

00:35:45,623 --> 00:35:46,133

Yes.

577

00:35:46,183 --> 00:35:49,543

It can, you know,

everybody, everybody has.

578

00:35:50,183 --> 00:35:56,283

And this one here, in this case, anybody

can get caught up in this situation.

579

00:35:56,313 --> 00:36:05,043

So at the time you weren't at that

age of 18, then you put on some of

580

00:36:05,043 --> 00:36:08,913

the traumas that you're going to,

just not even without the trauma,

581

00:36:09,323 --> 00:36:14,373

you still weren't mentally able to

make decisions like that and let

582

00:36:14,373 --> 00:36:18,033

alone with the other stuff going on.

583

00:36:18,043 --> 00:36:19,293

So yeah.

584

00:36:19,333 --> 00:36:19,693

So.

585

00:36:19,983 --> 00:36:28,303

20 years later, I'm still having rules

that says that I can't do this, I

586

00:36:28,303 --> 00:36:29,783

can't do that, I can't go to the park.

587

00:36:30,523 --> 00:36:35,133

I mean, I'm not gonna say, I don't want

to be too crude here, but we need to

588

00:36:35,143 --> 00:36:37,913

be a little bit, to get a little raw.

589

00:36:39,223 --> 00:36:40,023

Was it worth it?

590

00:36:40,393 --> 00:36:43,553

No, it was not worth it.

591

00:36:44,293 --> 00:36:50,153

Because, like, just, had I would have

known what was at stake, Of like, okay,

592

00:36:50,173 --> 00:36:56,583

if this is what you want to do, these

are the consequences when we talked about

593

00:36:57,043 --> 00:36:59,843

when we started out about being honest.

594

00:37:00,823 --> 00:37:05,573

And then I don't want to be honest

because it comes with punishment.

595

00:37:06,413 --> 00:37:09,923

And I would have known the punishment

of what I would have had to go through

596

00:37:10,273 --> 00:37:16,743

where I have to get approval just to data

adult age appropriate consenting woman.

597

00:37:17,103 --> 00:37:18,143

She has to be my P.

598

00:37:18,143 --> 00:37:18,323

O.

599

00:37:18,828 --> 00:37:20,418

They have to talk about the conviction.

600

00:37:21,088 --> 00:37:26,278

Uh, what if she has kids, you know,

what is the perception of that?

601

00:37:26,538 --> 00:37:31,908

You know, I'm not going out here trying

to groom kids and, uh, you know, on

602

00:37:31,908 --> 00:37:38,448

some, a pedophile or child molester or

predatorial, I just want to have my life

603

00:37:38,468 --> 00:37:45,848

back and I can't go to the lake front

without a chaperone, I can't go to certain

604

00:37:45,848 --> 00:37:48,268

places because public perception is.

605

00:37:48,658 --> 00:37:50,648

Oh, he's he's a sex offender.

606

00:37:51,098 --> 00:37:52,908

You know, lock the doors.

607

00:37:52,938 --> 00:37:53,578

Put it well.

608

00:37:53,738 --> 00:37:59,758

And in fact, if we actually look at it,

it's a lot of people are sex offenders

609

00:37:59,908 --> 00:38:03,838

and just not having to register and

looking at how this case happened.

610

00:38:03,908 --> 00:38:06,513

They can't really point fingers at you.

611

00:38:06,603 --> 00:38:12,113

Yeah, if it's looked at, at this

level, the DOC, they put everybody

612

00:38:12,113 --> 00:38:16,003

in the same category because I'm not

just talking about their, I'm talking

613

00:38:16,003 --> 00:38:18,653

about the culture, the community.

614

00:38:19,453 --> 00:38:24,103

And um, it's like, you see these videos.

615

00:38:24,753 --> 00:38:29,563

And you see these girls imitating

these videos, you know, posture

616

00:38:29,563 --> 00:38:33,653

in their bodies and I'll do, you

know, and it's like, and then you're

617

00:38:33,653 --> 00:38:35,633

saying, Oh, you're a sex offender.

618

00:38:35,633 --> 00:38:38,250

And , you know, our desires are natural.

619

00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,140

And then people are getting

triggered by this behavior.

620

00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:43,475

Yeah.

621

00:38:43,475 --> 00:38:44,310

But then.

622

00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:50,140

You want to lock them up, but it's no

accountability on a community side or on

623

00:38:50,140 --> 00:38:56,750

a parent's side in Churches and government

everywhere that this has to be looked

624

00:38:56,750 --> 00:39:01,420

at as well holistically Holistically

because right now you're living in a

625

00:39:01,420 --> 00:39:05,585

hostile environment, you know with this

virus Because it's all these triggers.

626

00:39:05,585 --> 00:39:07,105

That's why they have it.

627

00:39:07,105 --> 00:39:09,675

You can't be on the internet, right?

628

00:39:09,915 --> 00:39:13,255

You um, you can't go to like for you

have to be stopping around you have to

629

00:39:13,255 --> 00:39:20,265

do this This is because they put you in

with how they look at pedophiles Yeah,

630

00:39:20,535 --> 00:39:24,415

and then they got domicile restrictions

too that says if your conviction wasn't

631

00:39:24,415 --> 00:39:30,985

committed in us, uh our city At a

certain time, you can't live in our city.

632

00:39:31,075 --> 00:39:32,875

We're gonna banish you from our city.

633

00:39:32,875 --> 00:39:35,195

And we're gonna force you to be homeless.

634

00:39:35,445 --> 00:39:38,315

And you gotta live over here,

and you gotta bounce around.

635

00:39:38,865 --> 00:39:42,325

And that's what my situation is,

because my, my, my conviction

636

00:39:42,325 --> 00:39:43,845

is out in Wales, Wisconsin.

637

00:39:44,285 --> 00:39:46,865

And Milwaukee has a, uh, an ordinance.

638

00:39:46,945 --> 00:39:49,825

that says that if my conviction

wasn't committed in the city of

639

00:39:49,825 --> 00:39:55,685

Milwaukee prior to 2016, then I can't

reside in the city of Milwaukee.

640

00:39:55,865 --> 00:39:59,275

So now I'm forced to be homeless,

put on a bracelet, a GPS bracelet,

641

00:39:59,275 --> 00:40:00,835

so the DOC can monitor me.

642

00:40:01,625 --> 00:40:03,665

Even though I've had many residents.

643

00:40:04,350 --> 00:40:07,960

I've had many addresses in Milwaukee prior

to the ordinance going in effect, but now

644

00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,230

they changed because I was in prison at

the time when they changed the ordinance.

645

00:40:11,290 --> 00:40:12,410

Now I can't live in the city.

646

00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:13,230

Where am I going to go?

647

00:40:13,230 --> 00:40:15,480

I can't go here.

648

00:40:15,490 --> 00:40:16,140

I can't go here.

649

00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:16,740

I can't go here.

650

00:40:16,740 --> 00:40:17,380

I can't go here.

651

00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:19,010

So now I'm just bouncing around.

652

00:40:19,020 --> 00:40:20,260

So how are you here?

653

00:40:20,340 --> 00:40:22,670

This is, should you be here?

654

00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:23,930

Technically, no.

655

00:40:24,270 --> 00:40:24,510

Okay.

656

00:40:24,940 --> 00:40:33,330

But, um, uh, I registered with sort,

which is the sex offender registry.

657

00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:39,420

And then now I have to go ahead and

hear from the department, uh, the police

658

00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:44,010

department to say, if I'm in violation,

which a lot of times they fall through

659

00:40:44,010 --> 00:40:49,120

the cracks or the police going to send

me a, uh, uh, uh, ordinance violation.

660

00:40:49,220 --> 00:40:53,500

So I can challenge it because I want to

get grandfathered in because I've had

661

00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:59,640

many times, uh, residents prior to 2016

in the city mall, and that's why I should

662

00:40:59,650 --> 00:41:01,390

have grounds to be grandfathered in.

663

00:41:01,390 --> 00:41:01,640

So I.

664

00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:03,850

Couldn't reside so I

could be in a safe place.

665

00:41:04,180 --> 00:41:06,905

So you're waiting to hear back

from, how do you say the, the,

666

00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,110

the Department of Correction.

667

00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,690

Um, I mean, not the Department of

Corrections, the police department

668

00:41:11,070 --> 00:41:12,660

with a violation of the ordinance.

669

00:41:12,690 --> 00:41:16,880

'cause I've already registered here at,

at, um, so you're waiting to hear back?

670

00:41:17,330 --> 00:41:17,630

Yeah.

671

00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:19,960

So how long is that gonna take?

672

00:41:20,290 --> 00:41:24,380

It could take, however, however

long they, they look at it.

673

00:41:25,020 --> 00:41:26,760

So they are looking at it, I don't know.

674

00:41:27,090 --> 00:41:28,320

It could fall through the cracks.

675

00:41:28,350 --> 00:41:30,570

Oh, I'm, I'm believing

that I'm hidden in Christ.

676

00:41:32,830 --> 00:41:37,710

Until I'm all I got ten months of paper

left and I'll be done completely off

677

00:41:37,710 --> 00:41:41,500

of this the third degree sexual assault

case I'll be completed in because I've

678

00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:43,130

been out four years and two months.

679

00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,160

Okay, so you won't have to register

anymore I'll have the register 15 years

680

00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:55,090

from now, but I won't have the DOC with

the rule Rules and stuff like that.

681

00:41:55,610 --> 00:41:58,170

I can move to a different I

got family in other states.

682

00:41:58,170 --> 00:41:59,900

So how long do you have again before that?

683

00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:00,420

Ten, ten months.

684

00:42:00,420 --> 00:42:00,810

Ten months.

685

00:42:01,150 --> 00:42:01,490

Yeah.

686

00:42:02,430 --> 00:42:04,190

Is it okay you doing this interview?

687

00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:04,740

Yeah.

688

00:42:04,890 --> 00:42:05,250

Okay.

689

00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,750

I, I see why that could

I did an interview.

690

00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:11,690

No, I did an interview

with Fox 6 News in 2014?

691

00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:21,190

No, 2016 when they just made

the ordinance with Brad Hicks.

692

00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:23,980

And it's on, uh, Fox 6 News.

693

00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:26,420

You could probably I tried to find him.

694

00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:29,610

I didn't You And when?

695

00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:30,620

When did you have the interview?

696

00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:33,020

I think that's when he left.

697

00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:35,940

I looked, I was looking

at trying to see where.

698

00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:44,490

Cause Brad Hicks is no longer with

Fox and he left around in 2016.

699

00:42:45,860 --> 00:42:47,775

Yeah, he was doing the Fox News interview.

700

00:42:48,875 --> 00:42:52,855

Okay, I have to go back and look

because I was the one I was a big

701

00:42:52,875 --> 00:42:56,725

advocate on trying to get because they

had everybody homeless at that time.

702

00:42:57,205 --> 00:43:05,515

And Mark Weinberg from Chicago was a

lawyer that he actually, uh, represented,

703

00:43:05,555 --> 00:43:12,065

uh, represented, uh, like seven sex

offenders and got the ordinance rescinded.

704

00:43:12,125 --> 00:43:13,795

But there's still an ordinance on it.

705

00:43:13,795 --> 00:43:14,895

Not as extreme.

706

00:43:15,205 --> 00:43:15,545

Okay.

707

00:43:16,835 --> 00:43:17,825

Yeah, I want it.

708

00:43:18,525 --> 00:43:22,385

The reason why I was mentioning this

a little bit because, um, you know,

709

00:43:22,715 --> 00:43:24,585

they say you have a debt to society.

710

00:43:25,095 --> 00:43:31,655

So, which you do, but society

has some accountability as well.

711

00:43:31,955 --> 00:43:35,335

And I want to bring that up

in, you know, to the surface.

712

00:43:35,745 --> 00:43:37,605

So we look at everything.

713

00:43:38,015 --> 00:43:38,535

So

714

00:43:42,165 --> 00:43:46,672

, just to recap what we've been talking

about, we talked about your case,

715

00:43:47,202 --> 00:43:53,942

how you perceive you got there,

what you think could have helped.

716

00:43:54,227 --> 00:43:57,167

you perceive you got there is

because of your broken home.

717

00:43:57,727 --> 00:44:03,427

, some mental issues that was going

on, um, how you were parenting, and

718

00:44:03,427 --> 00:44:07,927

then you looked at how you think

your parents could have helped, uh,

719

00:44:07,957 --> 00:44:09,787

encouragement along with punishment.

720

00:44:09,797 --> 00:44:13,067

What type of punishment do you

think they should have had?

721

00:44:14,327 --> 00:44:18,507

I just think that With my family,

there was a lack of resources just

722

00:44:18,507 --> 00:44:23,967

with the help from the public school

system with the IEP whole situation.

723

00:44:24,417 --> 00:44:29,737

I think if I would have had more mentors,

cause I didn't really, I don't really

724

00:44:29,737 --> 00:44:32,977

remember having a lot of mentors, a

lot of people that were advocates.

725

00:44:33,127 --> 00:44:33,597

Yeah.

726

00:44:33,947 --> 00:44:39,097

But what kind of, because

there is accountability, right?

727

00:44:39,097 --> 00:44:40,877

When, so I won't use the word punishment.

728

00:44:41,107 --> 00:44:42,287

It is accountability.

729

00:44:42,537 --> 00:44:46,367

So what kind of accountability

do you think you should have had?

730

00:44:46,627 --> 00:44:51,857

I mean, When this was going on

is I don't think anything would

731

00:44:51,857 --> 00:44:57,367

work being honest because I

wanted to do what I wanted to do.

732

00:44:57,897 --> 00:45:04,457

I was very rebellious and I don't

think anything, any punishment or

733

00:45:04,457 --> 00:45:06,167

accountability probably would have helped.

734

00:45:07,147 --> 00:45:08,575

Like, so what?

735

00:45:08,575 --> 00:45:08,582

Yeah.

736

00:45:08,582 --> 00:45:11,282

What do you think it should have

happened and how would I think, I

737

00:45:11,282 --> 00:45:15,852

just think that if I would've had

more of a positive influence, more

738

00:45:15,852 --> 00:45:20,372

positive role models and mentors, that

would've been the deterrent for me.

739

00:45:20,522 --> 00:45:24,932

Not to continue my antisocial, but

that, that sounds like, I know, but

740

00:45:24,932 --> 00:45:26,072

you said nothing would've helped.

741

00:45:26,522 --> 00:45:28,592

So how that that would, how is that?

742

00:45:28,927 --> 00:45:29,997

That sound like that would help.

743

00:45:30,197 --> 00:45:32,987

Nothing would have helped as

far as punishment is concerned.

744

00:45:32,997 --> 00:45:34,087

Let me clarify that.

745

00:45:34,117 --> 00:45:38,487

Nothing like taking my games

away or doing this or beating

746

00:45:38,487 --> 00:45:40,697

me or verbally assaulting me.

747

00:45:40,707 --> 00:45:42,467

Like none of that would have worked.

748

00:45:43,447 --> 00:45:44,327

Don't do that.

749

00:45:44,957 --> 00:45:50,647

If I would have had more outlets with

mentorship and advocacy and stuff like

750

00:45:50,647 --> 00:45:57,097

that and having probably a better peer

group, I think that would have helped.

751

00:45:57,507 --> 00:45:59,207

More of a positive reinforcement.

752

00:46:01,952 --> 00:46:03,492

I'm an advocate of both.

753

00:46:04,092 --> 00:46:06,252

I think there should be a balance though.

754

00:46:07,062 --> 00:46:11,452

So, I don't agree with rewarding

bad behavior because that's

755

00:46:11,452 --> 00:46:13,072

going to promote bad behavior.

756

00:46:13,682 --> 00:46:16,722

Um, because you know I come

from a family where I have a

757

00:46:16,722 --> 00:46:18,172

twin brother that's locked up.

758

00:46:18,402 --> 00:46:22,142

He's been in and out and that's

why I do what I do because I want.

759

00:46:22,927 --> 00:46:23,577

Change.

760

00:46:23,627 --> 00:46:23,927

Yeah.

761

00:46:24,337 --> 00:46:25,357

Looking at things.

762

00:46:25,407 --> 00:46:26,777

I'm glad you agree with me.

763

00:46:27,137 --> 00:46:32,817

So I'm trying to see where would

you say the, um, I hate to say

764

00:46:32,847 --> 00:46:38,887

punishment or however you may

say a correction, but you can't.

765

00:46:39,392 --> 00:46:44,552

Just reward or, or ignore an issue.

766

00:46:44,612 --> 00:46:47,612

So what can the parent

thinking about it this way?

767

00:46:47,612 --> 00:46:49,092

What can the parents have done?

768

00:46:49,092 --> 00:46:54,682

And you saying you were very

rebellious, not, it's not that it's, um,

769

00:46:56,722 --> 00:47:01,722

that, you know, you, you put these

things in place to help for boundaries.

770

00:47:01,722 --> 00:47:07,652

I would say to, to let the kid know, and

adults know that there are repercussions.

771

00:47:07,662 --> 00:47:11,332

So if you don't have any, No wonder

they're going to keep, cause they don't

772

00:47:11,392 --> 00:47:13,332

understand that there's accountability.

773

00:47:13,352 --> 00:47:18,892

So my thing is if you would have had

some checks done, man, you know, some

774

00:47:19,052 --> 00:47:22,592

accountability, not the negative stuff,

cause they, they tried the best they

775

00:47:22,592 --> 00:47:26,742

can, but they did it not appropriately

and negative stuff, but it still

776

00:47:26,762 --> 00:47:29,607

should be something in place so that.

777

00:47:30,897 --> 00:47:35,897

You understand it starts to get in your

head like, Hey, there's repercussions.

778

00:47:35,937 --> 00:47:37,677

Like, what are the repercussions?

779

00:47:37,697 --> 00:47:39,607

Cause my son, he would do that.

780

00:47:39,877 --> 00:47:44,947

He, uh, thank God he never went to jail,

but I just sat in his head right away.

781

00:47:45,267 --> 00:47:46,587

There is accountability.

782

00:47:46,587 --> 00:47:49,787

So what he would do and probably

what you would have done in those

783

00:47:49,787 --> 00:47:53,057

circumstances, he'll go right

all the way up to the boundary.

784

00:47:53,407 --> 00:47:54,437

Cause he knew there was coming.

785

00:47:54,437 --> 00:47:55,497

Then he'll come back.

786

00:47:55,627 --> 00:47:56,037

Yeah.

787

00:47:56,137 --> 00:47:58,787

So it's like what I did with him.

788

00:47:59,157 --> 00:48:05,627

Was, uh, uh, you know, some talking

as well as taking away and when some,

789

00:48:06,327 --> 00:48:10,537

cause you catch it small, let him go

through the consequences of it and then

790

00:48:10,537 --> 00:48:12,047

tell him why he's going through it.

791

00:48:12,047 --> 00:48:13,137

Yeah, I didn't have that.

792

00:48:13,217 --> 00:48:14,827

And then, and.

793

00:48:14,877 --> 00:48:15,557

No, it's talk.

794

00:48:15,557 --> 00:48:19,077

Show, show him what it is and tell

him, hey, this is why I'm going

795

00:48:19,077 --> 00:48:20,327

to allow it and I'm going to help.

796

00:48:20,957 --> 00:48:22,927

Sometimes you don't have

to use extension cord.

797

00:48:22,967 --> 00:48:24,917

Yeah, you don't have to

have those talk, right?

798

00:48:24,957 --> 00:48:28,087

No, it's just like you know what

a lot of times you already get the

799

00:48:28,087 --> 00:48:30,507

whooping I don't have to use the belt.

800

00:48:30,547 --> 00:48:33,347

I'm like, I'm telling you this

is a whooping right here This is

801

00:48:33,347 --> 00:48:34,517

what happens when you do this.

802

00:48:34,527 --> 00:48:39,797

So you can understand there's consequences

because if you don't show them this

803

00:48:40,107 --> 00:48:42,097

They're gonna think there is none though.

804

00:48:42,097 --> 00:48:46,697

And then they're gonna get bam Yeah,

you get sideswiped like I didn't

805

00:48:46,697 --> 00:48:48,477

know I didn't know about this.

806

00:48:48,947 --> 00:48:52,897

So anyway, we're wrapping this up

Thank you for it The interview.

807

00:48:53,107 --> 00:48:58,757

I just want to say, um, this

was great and this is something

808

00:48:58,767 --> 00:49:01,837

people need to listen to.

809

00:49:01,837 --> 00:49:06,257

But it's, again, it's getting informed

and I want to cut a verse here.

810

00:49:06,697 --> 00:49:11,617

It says in the Bible, it comes

about talking about mind and

811

00:49:11,617 --> 00:49:15,037

what we're doing here is like,

we're actually renewing our mind.

812

00:49:15,037 --> 00:49:18,827

You're getting the information so

that you'll know how to, , behave

813

00:49:18,867 --> 00:49:21,137

because whatever you think,

that's how you're going to act.

814

00:49:21,657 --> 00:49:23,387

So it says, do not.

815

00:49:23,537 --> 00:49:28,357

conform any longer to the pattern of this

world, but be transformed by the renewing

816

00:49:28,357 --> 00:49:35,537

of your mind, then you will be able to

test and approve what God's will is.

817

00:49:35,567 --> 00:49:37,397

His good, pleasing and perfect will.

818

00:49:37,687 --> 00:49:41,557

And that's the pleasing and perfect

will is for you to be healthy, for

819

00:49:41,557 --> 00:49:43,207

you, for the community to be safe.

820

00:49:43,287 --> 00:49:43,667

Yeah.

821

00:49:43,797 --> 00:49:45,517

You know, for you not to.

822

00:49:46,187 --> 00:49:50,747

Escalate like you did in getting

into other crimes because that was

823

00:49:50,747 --> 00:49:52,427

just the start and it escalated.

824

00:49:52,757 --> 00:49:54,627

So where do you think you're at now?

825

00:49:55,067 --> 00:50:01,117

Well, I'm in recovery right now and

really re evaluating what, where

826

00:50:01,117 --> 00:50:06,097

did it all start, you know, and

counteracting these strongholds.

827

00:50:06,207 --> 00:50:07,627

Are you taking responsibility?

828

00:50:07,637 --> 00:50:09,117

Yeah, I'm taking responsibility.

829

00:50:09,117 --> 00:50:10,677

I'm med compliant now.

830

00:50:11,457 --> 00:50:14,867

I've been clean for six months

now off all drugs and alcohol.

831

00:50:15,037 --> 00:50:15,647

That's great.

832

00:50:15,847 --> 00:50:20,217

Um, I'm currently in In hope through

restoration Sober living house.

833

00:50:20,247 --> 00:50:21,237

This is a great place.

834

00:50:21,237 --> 00:50:21,837

I'm here.

835

00:50:21,897 --> 00:50:22,047

Yeah.

836

00:50:22,047 --> 00:50:24,087

And, um, I hope it's more like this.

837

00:50:24,147 --> 00:50:24,417

Yeah.

838

00:50:24,417 --> 00:50:28,437

LT Austin, he runs this program

so everybody that you know,

839

00:50:28,767 --> 00:50:29,862

he's should know about this.

840

00:50:29,862 --> 00:50:32,637

And he's so accountable because

he actually talks to you.

841

00:50:32,847 --> 00:50:32,937

Mm-Hmm.

842

00:50:33,177 --> 00:50:34,947

. I've had men leave my whole life.

843

00:50:34,947 --> 00:50:35,037

Mm-Hmm.

844

00:50:35,307 --> 00:50:36,057

never led.

845

00:50:36,997 --> 00:50:37,807

We need, yeah.

846

00:50:37,807 --> 00:50:39,397

We need more strong men like that.

847

00:50:39,402 --> 00:50:39,482

Yeah.

848

00:50:39,482 --> 00:50:39,762

So you.

849

00:50:40,362 --> 00:50:43,432

So we're wrapping this up,

you're saying that you're taking

850

00:50:43,432 --> 00:50:47,172

responsibility, you've forgiven your

parents, have you forgiven yourself?

851

00:50:47,202 --> 00:50:47,942

Yeah, I have.

852

00:50:48,102 --> 00:50:49,052

Have you forgiven yourself?

853

00:50:49,172 --> 00:50:49,642

Yes, I have.

854

00:50:49,642 --> 00:50:50,222

Okay, good.

855

00:50:50,482 --> 00:50:53,522

Because a lot of people have guilt

and they can't forgive themselves.

856

00:50:53,742 --> 00:50:59,932

Yeah, and that's just to honor

who I am as far as God's creation.

857

00:51:00,292 --> 00:51:01,702

You know, I have to love myself.

858

00:51:01,747 --> 00:51:03,547

So I love my neighbor as myself.

859

00:51:03,797 --> 00:51:05,417

So that starts with self.

860

00:51:06,057 --> 00:51:07,877

, I thank you for this interview.

861

00:51:08,077 --> 00:51:08,577

Thank you.

862

00:51:08,757 --> 00:51:14,157

A lot of people, I'm pretty sure is

going to get a lot of, a lot of value

863

00:51:14,157 --> 00:51:18,997

out of this because this is, , for

family members, for people that locked

864

00:51:19,007 --> 00:51:24,797

up as well as people involved in the

justice system, as well as, um, you

865

00:51:24,797 --> 00:51:27,377

know, judges, lawyers, all advocates.

866

00:51:27,472 --> 00:51:32,552

is that it's working , in this type

of deal and plus being able to help

867

00:51:32,912 --> 00:51:37,992

people that's reentering, especially

people that , have a sex case because

868

00:51:38,332 --> 00:51:41,282

it's reentry is harder for them than.

869

00:51:41,437 --> 00:51:42,787

for people that don't have it.

870

00:51:43,037 --> 00:51:47,377

And again, we talked about the Christian

perspective, , how God looks at this

871

00:51:48,137 --> 00:51:51,887

and we looked at our community holding

our community accountable as well

872

00:51:52,027 --> 00:51:54,717

because they are accountable as well.

873

00:51:54,727 --> 00:51:58,247

Not just yourself, but that

doesn't excuse how you should be

874

00:51:58,307 --> 00:52:00,047

responding and behaving as well.

875

00:52:00,077 --> 00:52:02,317

And I'm glad to see that

you you're forgiven.

876

00:52:02,837 --> 00:52:04,297

Have you forgiven the community?

877

00:52:04,667 --> 00:52:08,237

Yes, I have because I know I have

to take accountability in the things

878

00:52:08,247 --> 00:52:10,197

that I do at the end of the day.

879

00:52:10,197 --> 00:52:11,477

I have a choice in the matter.

880

00:52:12,047 --> 00:52:16,457

And so what I do, it affects not only

me, but it affects everybody else.

881

00:52:16,937 --> 00:52:21,527

That was the end of my

interview with Mitch Stu Pika.

882

00:52:21,822 --> 00:52:23,412

We really thank him.

883

00:52:23,622 --> 00:52:26,682

It is so good to have

someone be so transparent.

884

00:52:27,072 --> 00:52:28,512

When they're being transparent.

885

00:52:28,765 --> 00:52:29,515

We can help.

886

00:52:29,815 --> 00:52:30,655

Everybody can help.

887

00:52:31,224 --> 00:52:32,424

People like Mitch.

888

00:52:32,656 --> 00:52:38,416

When he gets to information and we write

reinforcements . Of accountability and

889

00:52:38,416 --> 00:52:40,456

him understanding the ramifications.

890

00:52:41,056 --> 00:52:44,806

We stop a lot of them

getting into trouble.

891

00:52:45,496 --> 00:52:46,966

They simply at times.

892

00:52:47,236 --> 00:52:48,196

Just don't know.

893

00:52:48,586 --> 00:52:53,296

But if we talk to them, give them

reinforcements, validate them.

894

00:52:53,776 --> 00:52:57,406

Make sure they're heard, but

also make sure he understands

895

00:52:57,646 --> 00:52:59,716

the consequences again.

896

00:53:00,042 --> 00:53:01,152

Mitch Stu Pika.

897

00:53:01,180 --> 00:53:04,210

Is a great young man with a lot of talent.

898

00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:10,480

In the show notes, I'm going

to be attaching his video with

899

00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,090

Fox six, as well as his video.

900

00:53:13,810 --> 00:53:19,360

That he may wit an amazing song

as you would see, he's amazingly.

901

00:53:19,637 --> 00:53:21,917

Talented with so much to give.

902

00:53:22,010 --> 00:53:25,950

To our community I'm pretty sure

you're going to be seeing much more.

903

00:53:25,950 --> 00:53:27,270

Mitch Stu Pika.

904

00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,330

Going about trying to tell

other people how not to go.

905

00:53:31,630 --> 00:53:32,920

Down the path that he did.

906

00:53:33,860 --> 00:53:36,020

Thank you again for listening to the show.

907

00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,870

May you have a weak field with blessings?