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Going back to 'school' again
Episode 3717th September 2026 • The Momentum Experiment • Cat Mulvihill
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Two months ago, I started a new experiment I call Night School. Today, I’m sharing about this idea that was inspired by my previous part-time grad studies experience. I’ll explain what worked well, what didn’t, and what I’m trying next.

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If you didn't know, the first 14 years of my career, I worked in the

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university environment, and I honestly loved it there,

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except one part. I was regularly

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mistaken as a student by other staff and faculty who just

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assumed I was younger than I really was. And this happened even

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well into my 30s. And look, I know

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many people think it is a good thing to look younger than you are. We

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all want to look youthful, But when you walk into a meeting with your

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peers and they wonder why there's a student sitting at the table, it is

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not a good thing. They would introduce themselves and they would ask,

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oh, what program are you in? Or what are you studying? Now,

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inside, I was just irritated. I felt like my years of work

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experience and my credibility were being undermined by this

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assumption they were making. But there is a catch

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because in many cases, I was also A student.

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I spent almost 7 of those working years as a

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part-time student. While I was at the university, I completed

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2 master's degrees and a nutrition certification, all while working

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full-time. Which brings me to today's topic,

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which is how my part-time student experience actually

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inspired a new experiment that I conducted

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recently that I call Night School. And by the

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way, if you are new here, welcome. I am Kat, and on this podcast,

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I share behind the scenes as I try real-time experiments to help

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me to follow through on what matters and find momentum as a speaker

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and a writer. Now, this Night School experiment, it

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actually came from a joke that I made about my struggles with

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follow-through. I commented to, to a friend, how

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is it that I completed 2 master's degrees while working full-time, but I can't even

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keep my kitchen clean? Welcome to ADHD. But the

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joke I made actually lingered and it stuck with me because I

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thought, well, okay, how was I able to do that?

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And the answer is that I had structure, I had

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accountability. This meant I had a class schedule, I had to show up to

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class, and I did it even when I didn't feel like it, with some exceptions,

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like if I was legitimately sick. But also the classes themselves were

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working towards a bigger important goal, which was to

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get the degree. So this June,

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and after I made that joke and came back from a conference, I was feeling

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really inspired after the conference, and which most people do. You

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come back and you're all ready to go. But in this case,

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I thought, okay, now in this point in my life, I do

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have a bit more of a predictable schedule after a

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particularly challenging year personally. So I

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was feeling like It's really time to put my head down and get to work

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and put in some work so I can see some traction on my business.

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So I asked myself, what if I could recreate the

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structure and accountability of night school?

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And so I looked at my calendar, I committed to 2 nights

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per week, and I asked a friend who I knew

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was taking on a really big project that's this summer as well, and

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asked, would he want to join? And he said yes. And his wife

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also asked if she could join in too. So the 3 of us started

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checking in with night school. 2 nights a week we would show up,

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we would on WhatsApp just send a photo of ourselves ready to get to work,

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almost like we were taking attendance, and we would get to work.

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I also went offsite, so I decided to

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return to the campus where I studied, where I did my MBA, and I just

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figured, okay, I'll just walk in there as if I'm still an MBA student

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because they're all ages. And I'll just sit down and get to work.

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It's also the university I used to work at, so I felt very comfortable in

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that environment. Now, I

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feel like today I wanted to share because it's an experiment. Now, I'm not

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currently in night school, but I am thinking about bringing it

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back. So I'm going to share what worked, but also what didn't

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work and what are some changes I actually have to make. And so the

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things that did work for me. Having that structure,

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having that schedule, knowing that 2 nights a week were blocked off for night school

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were really, really helpful for me because I just knew to expect I'm going to

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work on those nights. The other thing is checking in

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and sort of taking attendance with my friends not only kept me

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accountable, but also it was fun to see our pictures

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and just say like, hey, I'm ready to get to work. The other thing, going

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offsite. was really helpful, but it was helpful in the

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summer when there are just generally fewer students

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on campus. And now that it's September, things have changed, so I'll

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talk about that in a moment. But actually leaving the house as if I'm going

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to class did feel helpful. It's like I put my backpack on and I'm

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going to school. The other thing is that because it was summertime,

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I did have some built-in breaks, so it wasn't like it was nonstop all

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through the summer. I knew that there were some weeks where I was traveling, going

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on vacation just for some long weekends. And so I paused for a couple

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of the weeks during the summer. And the other thing is that

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working in the evening, it's way less prone to

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interruptions because people aren't expecting you to communicate.

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People aren't expecting you to reply to emails. So it's just a lot easier to

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protect that time, which I really, really liked that piece of it. I

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could just quietly work on a project for a few hours and not have anyone.

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bothering me. And I wouldn't have meetings. People aren't

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planning meetings for that time of night. So those were the good things. That's what

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worked. But there were some struggles. There were a few nights

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that I was supposed to go and I bailed. Now, I

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did think about the fact that there were times, even as a student, where I

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would skip class because I genuinely was not well enough to

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go. I went most of the time, but there were some times where I bailed

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and I figured, okay, that's common. That is a thing. However, it

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does interfere with what I wanted to get done that week. The other thing is

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that on the weeks where my friends were away on their own summer

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vacations, it was a lot easier to skip because I knew

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that they wouldn't be expecting me to send them a message because I knew they

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weren't in school that week. And then also there were a

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few nights when I was there, I got locked in and I

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ended up just staying much later than I expected. And then

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I had to kind of stop myself, go home, but I was just kind of

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tired but also wired. And then the next day I would feel kind of tired.

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Uh, well, I was tired and it would impact my next day. The

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other thing looking back is that my capacity now

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and some of my actual physical limitations are different than

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they were when I was in school. So it's almost 10

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years since, maybe it's more than 10 years. It's more than 10 years

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since my MBA. And it just, it is different. I am, I am

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older and there just, It's, I don't have quite as much energy as

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I did at the time. And here's the other thing that I noticed is that

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sometimes during the day, especially on one of the days

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that I was planning to go to night school, I might actually procrastinate on

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work that day telling myself, oh, I have time to work on that tonight.

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And so in those cases, I was actually just kind of delaying

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and putting off work I should be doing during the day. And the whole point

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of the night school is to have extra time for projects and things that I

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want to move my business forward. And I realized I was kind of just

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putting off day work for night, which is not the point of Night School.

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So with this in mind, looking back at those 2

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months, and obviously it wasn't 2 full months of Night School, but it was enough

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weeks for me to get some valuable information and experiment

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results. I like the Night School

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idea. And I would like to find a

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way to continue it or incorporate it back into my schedule

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on an as-needed basis. So sort of thinking it as times when I

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need a little bit of a heads-down injection, so to speak, where

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I want some uninterrupted time to just get

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things done, whether that's a new project, or I've been recently thinking

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that I could also take on the school meaning of

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what would it look like if I spent that time on some of the educational

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and development things I'm doing? For example, last week I mentioned that I

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want to work through some of the core foundations that are part of my

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Deeper Foundations membership, and those could be really good

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candidates for doing during night school because it is something where I'm

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working on the business instead of working in the business. So that

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could also be a great thing. So I think educational or just extra

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time for projects. Above and beyond my regular day.

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That being said, I need to address some of the holes that I

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experienced, like saying, oh, I could just work on this at night

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and then put it off or take it easy during that day. So then I'm

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not actually having any extra time. The other thing is that I

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don't want to rely on friends who kind of got wheeled into this summer

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experiment. I can't guarantee that they'll want to continue, but I know that

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having people to check in was a really important part of that.

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So I do think that there might have to be some sort of

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structure of accountability, and I don't know what that looks like yet. So I'm

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still kind of experimenting with, okay, what could that look

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like? Is that something I put a call generally out to people and say, does

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anyone else wanna do this with me? Is this something that I may even

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offer formal structure? And sort of like in the spring when I

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offered the Momentum sessions, which were coworking sessions. Could

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night school be a coworking session that people that actually provide

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as a service to others that also supports me doing it? That's something I've thought

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about, but it is something I do think I'm going to incorporate

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back into my schedule. And then also remembering to, to

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work in some breaks so that I know this is not something that's just

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nonstop. And what does it look like to plan in advance

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for that? So those are some of the things that are going on. I'd love

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to also hear your opinions. So if you have opinions, I'd love for you to.

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Leave them in the comments on YouTube or even send an email. Um,

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also if you were listening, because I would really like to hear what you think

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of this idea and have you tried something similar. Now on this

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podcast each week, I share my tracker, my public tracker.

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So let's take a look at the, the tracker and how

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that's been going. And this is

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what we're looking at with September. So in September for posts,

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remember my goal is 25. I am currently at

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13 posts out of 25, so I'm at 52%

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of my goal, which feels pretty good. And for my

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outreach, if we scroll down here, my outreach, the goal's

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25, I'm at 8. So this is a little bit lower

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and there is a reason for that. The other thing, and I'll share

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that, the outreach results. So I do have,

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I had a conversation last week and I've got a date in the calendar for

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a speaking engagement. October and my appearances, I

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haven't had anything new since last week in September. And if

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we go to my overall outcome tracker where I list the number

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of audience members who've seen me speak and subscribers for

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September, audience members is staying at 111

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because I haven't done anything since last week and subscribers are now at

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27. So these are, these are modest

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increases, but I do feel like This is something

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I, last week I mentioned I was reading the book The Long Game. So

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I have finished that book. That's by Dory Clark. And one of the

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things in The Long Game that is mentioned is what's called the deception phase.

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And this is something that is common in the,

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uh, in the tech industry where in the very early

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days, the changes in the growth are so small that they

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look insignificant and they look like they're going nowhere. But

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they aren't growing in a linear fashion. They're actually growing exponentially,

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but it's really hard to see an exponential curve in those early days.

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It's going to look like it's flat for a while, but eventually those

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growth, that growth will hit a peak and it happens slowly. And

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so during that deception phase, the deception is it can look like it's not working

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and it can look like those numbers aren't anything, but over time it

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can actually grow. So I am trying to remember that lesson. Uh, the

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deception phase lesson that was in The Long Game. Uh, the other thing about

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The Long Game that I really appreciated from that book was that it did talk

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about, you know, resilience and there are going to be times where you get knocked

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down and to keep your eye on that long

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term, that it takes a long time. And a lot of the people that you

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look up to who have done something incredible, it didn't happen

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overnight. It was actually something that was built over a long time.

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And I also have to remember that even when with today's topic, like night school,

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Sometimes I am a person who gets very

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impatient. Patience has never been my strong suit. I have

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always, my whole life, been someone who's quite impulsive. Now that I know

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more about ADHD, I understand that. But as soon as I decide I want

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something, I want it to happen immediately, and I have very little patience.

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And with something like night school, it does add in a little extra time, but

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I have to remember that even if I'm adding in some extra hours into my

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work, And being able to work on some projects above and

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beyond my daytime, it's still going to—

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I still have to be patient and it's still not gonna happen overnight. And so

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that is something that's been very valuable to me. So

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all in all, I think I'm gonna continue night school. I

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would love to hear your thoughts. This is very much kind of influx as I

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figure out what this looks like. But if you have comments, please share.

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I do wanna hear from you. And I will continue to update you

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on this experiment, but also all of the experiments as I try to find my

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momentum.

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