You know what you want. You know you’re exhausted. You know you need to stop doing everything yourself, set better boundaries, speak up, or finally change the way you’re working.

So why is it still so hard to actually do it?

Kelsea Koenrich and I talk about the beliefs underneath the patterns that keep us doing more, staying available, overworking, and trying to hold everything together. Because sometimes the very things that helped you become successful are the same things that are now keeping you stuck.

Kelsea shares how hyper independence, perfectionism, scarcity, and the belief that you have to be the one who handles everything can shape the way you show up in your business and your life. We also talk about why change can feel uncomfortable even when you know it’s the right thing to do, and why “just have more discipline” doesn’t really address what’s happening underneath.

We get into what it actually looks like to change the pattern. Creating a plan. Expecting it to feel uncomfortable. Having someone hold you accountable. Communicating what you need instead of assuming everyone else will be upset. And recognizing that your availability is a choice.

There’s also a bigger piece here around taking responsibility for the life you’re creating. Kelsea talks about the moment she realized she was the common denominator in her own patterns, and how that realization became the starting point for doing things differently.

Because knowing what you want is one thing. Letting yourself actually have it is another.

Resources Mentioned:

• Connect with Kelsea Koenrich on: Instagram
• City Girls dinner series: https://www.kelseakoenreich.com/city-girls

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welcome to Beyond Awareness. Today we have Kelsey Kenry on the show. Welcome, Kelsey.

So good to be here with you.

Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. I thought about this for a while actually, and then it just gelled, I feel like, at the right time. And for those of you who don't know, I've mentioned the name Kelsey honestly from time to time in podcast episodes. I've thrown it in a couple of newsletters, but Kelsey was my very first business coach back in 2021. And 2021 was like a life transition.

for sure for me because I was doing a career pivot. I was going through my divorce and knew moming it at the same time, like literally all of the things in my life. so Kelsey helped me, of course, with the business launch, honestly, with the podcast as well. You helped me launch my podcast. I still remember you outlining like post about this on Instagram this day and whatnot. Anyways, you were just there for me in like so many different capacities. And that's one thing that I love about you is that you

are a business coach in a nutshell, but it's so much deeper than that. And the very first thing that I remember we did together, I'm not sure if you remember this, but I wanted to tap into limiting beliefs because I was like, something is like holding me back. I know what I want. And you had challenged me to just kind of brain dump on all of the things that

I was scared about or the things that was holding me back and basically limiting beliefs. And then on our first call, you helped me swap them with positive beliefs. But it was the first time that it wasn't just like a positive affirmation of like, I am wealthy, I am happy, I am in a happy marriage, you know. It was like real things that felt like it resonated so much. And I still have a whiteboard with the ones that resonated the most.

right next to my desk at home and I put them on a note sheet right here for me at my temporary remote office. But it was just such deep, meaningful work with you right off the bat. And so I thought we could start there and I'm curious, are there any beliefs that you find pop up most often with your clients or any that you had to work through yourself?

mean, yes to all of the above. I think first and foremost, I do remember every conversation with every client. I might not remember the shirt that I wore yesterday,

Yeah

but it just...

Moments like that where especially the moments where things kind of unlock or like you see something shift in somebody's eyes it they're like Whoa, what just happened? I remember

Yeah.

all of those things and I think like the affirmation pieces It's so interesting because for me personally a lot of affirmations felt invalidating and so that's why I've always taught about like rewiring our brains by using the things that feel familiar to us grasping onto those and kind of reversing those

So I would say with that, when it comes to the limiting beliefs, there's so many limiting beliefs for my clients in particular and blocks around being wealthy and making like large amounts of money to where there's overflow. That one's really, really frequent because as business women, especially, we feel guilty. like, I have enough. So if I have enough, like,

I don't need more. And so when you have women that are saying, I wanna hit X revenue or I wanna get this raise or whatever the money thing is, but subconsciously they're like, but I don't really know what I would do with that money. I don't think I'm a good steward of money. And so there's those subconscious beliefs that really come up. So I would say that's a really big one is like.

the limiting belief that we don't know how to handle wealth or we don't believe that we deserve overflow in particular. And then the biggest one across the board for women is like, we're so afraid of what people will think, right? Like we're so afraid of if I'm fully myself, if I really use my voice here, if I advocate for myself, if I ask for what I need, I'm gonna make somebody mad. And then I don't wanna deal with

the controversy or the communication that would go with that. So I'll just avoid it. And so it's really

Mm-hmm.

like they're called limiting beliefs for a reason because they limit you from your potential. And so if we're not addressing them and if we're not addressing them by being honest with ourselves, like we never move past them, which is why I had you do that right up front.

Yeah.

Like, okay, what is all the head trash that you have? Let's get out, look at it.

Yeah, in fact,

yes, one of them, the very first one actually that I have is when I speak up, I allow my relationships to strengthen because especially during that time, I was going through my divorce and I realized that speaking up to me was an opportunity to lose someone way deep down. That's why it felt so scary to me. so like the positive side of that wasn't just

It's good to speak up, really believing that it can actually strengthen my relationship, which is what I was craving at the time,

Mm.

felt like it just, yeah, really landed in my body. And then another one was when I build my dream home, I allow others to feel luxurious too. Because going off of what you said with the overflow of money, I was...

living right next door to my parents. And it's like I have this vision for a dream home and I don't know, mostly parts of that, insides of the dream home is what I think about. Yet I also love where I am. I'm so comfortable in my current house. And I'm like, part of me was thinking, I don't really need all of that. I don't need that. And if I did have truly my dream home,

other people would feel less than. A lot of my limiting beliefs were that, like another one is when I earn money doing what I love, I light the path for others to do the same because I felt if I earned too much money, I'd never believe that I was better than anyone, but I believed that others would feel less than. And so

Mm-hmm.

swapping that to something more...

empowering and I see that a lot with my clients too. Like one of my clients she celebrated, which is hard for women to do. I'm sure you experienced that. But she celebrated one of her, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, just on to the next poll.

She got a boat for herself and her husband and her dog and she didn't really tell anyone. She told her immediate family and that was it. And

Mm-hmm.

that's an example I feel like of

the dream home or like of something that you did for yourself, but you're not, it's like, you're staying small. You're staying quiet because I mean, it could be a million things, but you don't want others to feel less than you don't want to like show off her. That was her thing. Like she didn't want to boast and brag, especially in front of her team. Do you see that too with

and

clients who have like team members?

Mm-hmm. Yeah across the board whether it's friends or team members or family Right because it's it's so hard because when we're doing Great things and we feel excited and then like our first initial reaction is like, my gosh, this is so cool It's like when you go to an awesome restaurant or you have an awesome experience You naturally want to tell people but it when it becomes when it's things about ourselves. We're like wait Okay, how is that gonna land?

Right?

And while I think there's like, we should always think about our verbiage and the way that we're saying things because communication across the board matters. But if every single time that something great happens, we're like, I'm just not going to say anything because it's about me and I want to stay humble or don't want to brag. Then we forget that.

when we are most ignited and excited is when there's some flicker of possibility, whether that's like you watch a movie and you see a scene and you're like, I would love to live on a lake or you go to the grocery store and you see somebody wearing certain pair of shoes and you're like, I would love those shoes. There's some flicker of possibility that ignites us. And then we're like, I would like that too. But if we don't speak up, we're not being that flicker for other people.

which is where like the retraining of shifting our perspective of like, we're not bragging. It's not about being boastful. It's not about our ego saying, look at me, I'm amazing. It's about being truly proud and showing other people like, this is possible for you too. And that's what we really have to wrap our heads around because otherwise like, we just have women who continue to feel smaller.

And then you're gathering resentment and frustration, feeling like you're not being the person you could be.

Yeah. I feel like the phrase having it all, I don't resonate with. I rarely ever say that. But when I think of that phrase, I feel like you have that. I feel like you have the business and the family. And there's so much stuff too. As we're recording this, there's so much stress of moving across the country and whatnot. But for listeners who don't know you, all of this limiting belief work and stuff

that we'll talk about later on is not just what you teach and what you talk about, but it's truly what you walk. Like your life truly is this like how you create it, right? It unfolds so intentionally. And when something comes up for you, you work through it or you do something about it and you're a mom of three. I just mentioned, you're moving currently. And so do you want to share a little bit about

where you came from and how you got to be this like such grounded wise person.

I appreciate and receive the compliment. I will just say thank you for

I'm

your kind words instead of deflecting them as we love to do. Yeah, so it's interesting because if I really think about like my wisdom, it's honestly been gained from life experience because I've had so many different experiences because of the instability of my life as a child and young adult. So I grew up in Texas.

And

my parents divorced when I was little, so I was back and forth between houses. And it just created kind of like my foundation was always shaky. Right. And so we know as people, we want safety and we want certainty. That's what our brains search for. And so I was searching for something to grasp onto. The thing that I found to grasp onto was partying, right? Drinking, drugs, using my body to get attention. Those were things that were like, okay, somebody, I belong here.

what I was seeking. And so that led to about 10 years of just self-destructive patterns and behaviors. And so when I talk about limiting beliefs or meeting your potential or getting past your bullshit, like I do that because like I've been that person that was there. You know, it was literally 10 years of my life. So that 10 years laid to me in jail three times. The third time that I went to jail was my wake up call. It was like, that was the moment where

I finally took personal responsibility, which I feel like radical responsibility is if we can have that as our highest priority, that's how we become the creators of our lives. And so that was the moment when I was there and I saw myself in the jailhouse mirror. I was like, okay, you're the common denominator here.

you

So like, if you don't like being here, like be somebody different. Don't make these choices, like evaluate these patterns.

And so that led me into everything that I have built essentially is me throwing myself in experimenting, finding what works, finding what doesn't, and then teaching it. Right? Even now with business, I'm like trialing things all the time. I'm researching, I'm having my team run things and that's just the way that I personally operate. And so when I threw myself into life coaching, into therapy, into the gym, it was like, okay, I'm filling myself with things that feel good now.

this is really uncomfortable because I'm used to feeling bad. But also once I let myself experience that, then it was like, my gosh, life is so different when we're making choices that make us feel good. And so I just shared very openly my story online and that at the time I had thrown myself into fitness. So I was a fitness coach, turned life coach, turned business coach. And it just was this natural evolution.

because this whole entire time I had also stepped into entrepreneurship a year after I'd been arrested, mostly because nobody would hire me. You know? And so I

Yeah.

was like, I'm gonna have to make my own path here. And so I had built really successful businesses and people were asking me all these business questions. Like, how do you do this? And where does this come from? And how do you grow? And so it was this really beautiful, just natural evolution that like everything came from that moment where I was just like, okay, I'm gonna create something.

I love that story. It's so inspiring every time I hear it. And I would love to get your perspective on the situation that I feel like is so common. I experience it myself. I hear it all the time. And I'm sure you've been through it too, where we as women, as moms, love what we do, but we love it so much that we might spend too much time doing it, like our career.

or we're just exhausted, maybe burning out. And the way that I phrase it is like we're on all the time, even though we're exhausted, even though we're burning out. So it's like my podcast is called Beyond Awareness. So it's like we're aware already that we are exhausted and that we're burning out. We're aware of that. We're also aware of solutions. We know that we quote unquote could or should meditate or we could do these things, but we're not doing it.

What do you think that that missing piece is as to why we're not doing the things that would make us feel good? Or what is that resistance there?

Yeah, mean, so the resistance itself is what your brain is naturally supposed to do. Cause our brains are, they're built to protect us. And so what that protection shows up as is it shows up as certainty. And so when we're trying to grow or change, even for the better, it's still, our brain is like, I don't know what this is. Don't do that. And so that's what stops us. It's literally, it's literally physiological.

Right? So because of that, that's why there is resistance because it's in our brains. Now, in order to push through that resistance, it requires accountability, right? It's going to require somebody like you, somebody like me to be like, you said you wanted to be this person and do this thing. I know it's uncomfortable. And then we also need a plan.

Right? So everything for me is like mindset, energy, and also what are we doing here? Like, let's have a plan because there's nothing

Yeah. Strategy.

worse and more invalidating than somebody's like, just shift your vibe. So I'm like, okay, then what? know?

Right, right. me something tangible.

Yes. So I think it's recognition of like, when you go into change, expect discomfort, expect resistance, expect that when you make this change for the better.

when you start going to the gym, when you start advocating for yourself, when you start speaking up, when you release a new offer, whatever it is, you're going to feel, it's going to feel bad first. And I think sometimes that expectation, it's like, my gosh, I'm doing this thing that's good for me, so it should feel good. So I think resetting your expectations to know, okay, my brain is built this way, so this is going to feel bad. I need it to feel bad for a little bit before it can feel good.

Right?

Like it's like strength training, right? Like all of my fitness analogies here, but like literally our muscle tears to grow. So it's kind of like that is the resistance part, but then there's also, you have to have a plan in that accountability. So if you're making a change, it's one thing to have a great intention, right? If you want to go to the gym, if you want to become a healthy person, if you want that to be part of your identity, great. How are you making it happen?

What support do you need? So that's what I always tell people is I'm expected to feel bad at first, have a plan, and then have somebody to hold you accountable for that plan because otherwise you're just gonna go back to who you were.

That's so refreshing to hear because oftentimes what I hear other people saying, more or less it boils down to you just have discipline. Just do it. And I'm like, but there's more to it than that. And I think that you described it perfectly. And I'm curious what your thoughts are for your clients who maybe all match this description, but...

for the high achievers out there, maybe overachievers, right? The ones who have gotten to where they are in their career or even parenting or whatever it is because they've worked hard, because of their drive, because of their perfectionism potentially, and they've always been the one to just do it, to get shit done essentially. And you have to let some of that go in order to

get to become someone different, whatever it is that might be. And I know that you talk a lot about being in your business to working on your business and letting your business thrive with you being out of it almost, and time management

Mm-hmm.

and things like that. And so what are your thoughts or experience with that woman who's just like, but I

I have to maintain this level of oneness or perfectionism or whatnot because it made me this way and there's so much fear behind letting it go, essentially.

Mm-hmm. So I would say like first and foremost this woman is me and the majority of my clients, right? Because it's largely like how what our behaviors are How we act how we show up in the world is built from our belief system Our beliefs are ingrained in us from our circumstances and from our experiences and so for example for me I was always the person that had to be on all the time because

in

my childhood, I learned that I was the only one that I could trust. And so there's a level of this that's like making that connection first of like, what is the underlying thing here that is creating the behavior? What is the current belief that you have that you're identifying with that is creating the action or thoughts that you're taking? Because once you know that once I identified for me that it was like,

I have scarcity from growing up poor and from like not figuring, knowing like where I was going to sleep or where I was going to eat or whatever, right? And I have hyper independence that has been rewarded. Every time I do everything alone, everybody thinks I'm great. So it's really important before we go forward, we have to look back, we have to truly understand. And this is where if we could really separate like therapy and coaching.

This is where I draw the line personally, if like therapy helps you to make those connections, coaching helps you to move forward from them. Right? So I think there's a level of like, you know, coaching, I'm going to tell people to look back and look under the hood and stuff. But again, I think once we understand and have awareness, like you said, of like, I'm doing this thing. And then when we ask ourselves, well, where did it come from? And once you know where it comes from,

then it's about exactly the exercise that you did, where it's like, okay, well, how do I want to show up if I'm on all the time because my underlying belief is that if I'm not that my business will fail, then what identity, what is the new belief? And if the new belief is, okay, when I'm off, my business still thrives. That's the belief that we're trying to hold then.

What do we need to actually believe that? This is the actionable part. So if we step away from our business and it does fall apart right now, then we probably need different team, different processes, different systems. So it can always be pulled into something tangible and tactical if we're asking the right questions. But we first

Mm-hmm.

have to identify why are we like this? Where is it coming from? Who do we want to be? And then,

What sorts of things do we need that would actually support that belief?

That's really good because the question that I wrote down right before we pressed record, it jogged my memory because right before this, Kelsey did a workshop all about New Year, new network. And one thing that you mentioned was something about like creating, I think you said memorable experience through your offers. And

Mm-hmm.

when I was thinking,

what sorts of memorable things do I still remember about Kelsey all these, like, what is it, four years later? And I remember you being available. And I don't know if this is what you go for, but I

remember

Mm-hmm.

you always being there. And it felt so supportive. And then it made me think, in my current season of life, and I'm assuming other women as well, being available is like,

not, it almost feels the opposite of what we want. It's like, don't want to be available. It seems like too much. seems like that would burn me out to be too available. Yet we also feel like we have to be available for our clients or available for our teams. Right. And so that's where my clients like stay in the trenches instead of working on the higher level projects and stuff, but also

Mm-hmm.

availability, being with your team or being nonstop, available, not nonstop, you know.

available to your clients all day instead of only calls or just one message a day or one team meeting. When we didn't do that, when we were available, we did see success. And so what would you share about that to break that? Is that back to the belief where?

So I think it's a shift here that availability does not equal emotional access. So I think

Mmm.

the issue with availability is that if we were to put like a bubble around us, right? To where if we remove that bubble and every single conversation we're having is penetrating.

deep into our mind, deep into our heart, you know, then it's going to take up more of an energy resource. Right.

Mm-hmm.

And this is not to encourage any sort of like transactional conversations, but availability is still a choice. Right. Like for me, it's a choice to check in with my clients on a consistent basis, but that's because my model is customer service is the highest tier. Like

there is that will always stand for me. And I stand on that to this day because I've seen that's what works. You know what mean? My, people who choose me, I want to choose them to always. And so I think that's, that's just like really knowing. But because I know that about my business in particular, I know that creating emotionally safe places that communicating clearly about

if I'll be at a VIP day or if I'll not be available, that brings safety to people and certainty to people and awareness to people. And so I think some of it too is first, not letting everything penetrate so deep. But secondly, a lot of times it's more about just communicating. Cause I can be gone for a week, two weeks if I wanted to. If I told my clients I'm going on vacation with my family for two weeks, I'll be back. They'd be like, have fun.

Yeah.

You know what I

mean? Nobody's gonna be mad at me because that's not who my clients are. But we're so afraid to say things like that. So it's also remembering that your availability is your choice, just like

Mm-hmm.

anything else.

Yeah. Okay, so I think the last question I have for you is how, so where you ended there, what popped in my head was like scheduling and creating your work day how you want it to be. So what I'm thinking is like I had a client once who she was like, once I have kids,

my dream would be to really end work at three so that I could go pick up my kids at that point. But currently she was staying until five. So again, we know what we want to do, but

Mm-hmm.

we don't do it. that might come down to, I guess I'll ask you in fact, what do you think that comes down to? How can we get comfortable identifying the type of ideal day that we want?

and then actually following through on communicating that.

Yeah, yeah. It's like you probably heard me say this at some point, but seeing the fear and doing it anyways, it's change, even when it is change for the better, just like I talked about earlier. And so, you know, like I remember I was seeing clients at like, I would break up my day, my schedule transparently since I had my first child nine years ago, nine and a half years ago now, I built my schedule around nap times.

I was like, I'm working when he's sleeping. And so that meant that

You

I was also working after he went to bed. And I remember the day that I, this is when my office was upstairs in this house. walked up the stairs and it was 7 30 because I put my kid to bed and I'm like, I do not feel like I'm, I don't want to go to this appointment. And for me, like I'm obsessed with my clients. I love them so much. And to feel that I was like, Oh no, something's off here.

And if I'm going in with that mindset, like it's not fair to them. So I knew that I had to stop doing calls at 730 at night, but I

Yeah.

was afraid I was going to lose clients. You know,

Mm-hmm.

I was truly afraid of that. And so I think in the scheduling situation, this goes really across the board and asking for what you want and creating not just your ideal day, but your ideal life. It's one thing, like you said, to write that down and say, I want to work till three. But if you don't follow through, you're letting yourself down.

And if you keep letting yourself down, then you're going to stacking resentment and frustration that is going to affect everybody around you.

And

like, that's what I always tell clients whenever they're frustrated with a team member or whatever. And I'm like, okay, but like, what have you communicated to them? Have you asked for that? Have you, have you shown them expectations? Did you create KPIs? Like what? And then it's like, and this is where the responsibility aspect comes in. So the short answer to your question is that you're going to be afraid to make changes that feel best to you because of how they will affect other people.

But you only live inside one body and it's your own. You only live inside one mind and it's your own. And if you're not prioritizing that, then everything else suffers. All these relationships that you're trying to save by not doing the scary thing are actually suffering. And that's the shift of like, when I do what's best for me, everybody wins.

I did a meditation once, or I guess it was like a guided visualization, and that's what came up for me pretty early on in it, is like the whole ripple effect of like when you work on yourself, whether it is fitness, you know, or like pouring into you in any capacity, sometimes people think that it's selfish to spend even 10 minutes on themselves or an hour or whatever.

But when you do and you truly like you're pouring into the right things, the right support, the right network, everyone benefits. Like it's not, of course, we feel better, but then your kids can feel it. And it's beyond that. It's like you speak differently to your kids. Like they will become more confident. Like you are raising such confident kids. I'm positive of that. And like then they will be raised with certain beliefs.

your relationship with your partner and clients and everyone, it's like this ripple that 360 around you, everyone benefits. And so sometimes that alone, I think, might inspire people to do it anyways, even though it's scary. And it comes

Mm-hmm.

back to one of those beliefs. I remember you used to say, whatever the fear is, say the opposite, and then it'll light the path for others.

to do the same or light the path for others. And for me, that was so inspiring. It's back to the ripple. It's like it lights the path for Griffin to know what it's like to have a boundary. It'll light the path for my clients to have deeper work within our calls. So it's just ownership and that radical responsibility like you said, it's a hard pill to swallow at first. You might not even be aware of what it is. Yeah,

You're like, I'm the problem, it's me.

exactly.

But yeah, it's also so refreshing. Yeah.

It's also so freeing. Yes.

It's like refreshing, freeing all the things because the thing that like, whenever I talk about this, I'm like, yeah, but you control you. You know what I mean? Cause if you're like, like this cup is the problem, then it's like, well, I can't like re change the shape of this cup, you know? But if you're like, I'm the one that keeps putting myself in jail. Hmm. I can do something about me.

That's,

Yeah.

that's the key. I like, I always tell people like, that's your power play.

If you don't

you

like something, if you're in a situation, relationship, any of it, you don't feel good in your body, your mind, your home, whatever it is, how are you enabling that?

What behaviors or habits or patterns do you have that are keeping that there? What have you communicated? What have you not communicated? Like that's the kind of stuff because then it's like everything that you're teaching your clients, then it's about, you know, action past that awareness, right? To where now that you've taken responsibility, now you can say, okay, I know that I have to have this conversation and I'm going to change my expectations to know that I'm going to feel scared. It's going to feel bad even though it's for something good.

Mm-hmm.

and can do it anyways.

Yep, I love it, such a good question. Before we get going, how can people find you? And also let's touch on City Girls, launching all of 2026. Do you wanna tell us more about what that is?

Yes, yes, I'm so excited for this. So we put together a curated dinner and workshop series. So we are going to be in Sarasota, Florida, Charlotte, North Carolina, Atlanta, Georgia, New York City, and Dallas, Fort Worth area all throughout 2026. It's a two day experience. So we're doing like an intimate dinner and then the next day is workshop and masterminding. And so we're only doing 20 seats per city.

which we absolutely do not have 20 available because we sold a bunch already. But yeah, it's a really great experience for women who are established in business to actually be in the right room to have more intimate conversations versus being in an event where like everybody's just talking at you. So you actually get to ask other successful women what they're doing, what's working. You have me in your pocket of like, here's what we're wanting to see in the business. And honestly, there's this level of just like,

into something to where I can have a few more people but also just have a really, really drastic transformation where people feel ignited but then can also go and do the things afterwards.

So is it retreat style, like hosted at an Airbnb, or is it like separate at a dinner space and then like conference room? What's the vibe?

Yeah, so it'll be dinner space the first night and then the next day will be more of a workshop space. It will not be corporate vibes because that gives me the ick.

Same.

Yeah. So it's again, it's built for like, you know, when you go to events and you're just like, okay, where's my place here? And like, who are the people that kind of like look like me or maybe be something like, could be somebody that I could talk to.

We took that because it's specifically for women that are established in business that have been doing this for years, that have teams in place that need some of that higher level advisory, but also just need to be with other women who are doing the thing to hear what's working for your industry and what's not working and what helped you this year. yeah, it's very...

intentionally curated. I'm not going to give away like all the things that we're doing inside because it's like secret sauce and some of the stuff I did pull from my retreats. But it was, it's just taking those pieces that have really given people great results, not just tangibly, but made them feel like, wow, I can actually do this. Like I'm actually going to be able to go forward and build to the next level of my business without feeling like I'm dying inside.

Mm-hmm.

It's a good feeling to not have. Right.

Yes, that would be the goal. That would be the goal.

Amazing. So I'll put the link for that in the show notes so you can

Amazing.

all go check it out. I just have to say that this feels like full circle for me. You obviously helped me launch this podcast literally and

So cool.

create my business and to see how far I've come with your help. And so thank you for being here.

It's been so fun and I'm excited for my audience to listen and to check you out and to see all of the magic that you create. Also on social media, you put out really great content on all of the platforms I feel like. So I'll share that too.

Yeah, thank you so much. It was just so good to see you. I'm glad that we've stayed connected all of these years and I'm always watching everything that you're doing, you know? So I'm

Aww.

glad that you found, I'm glad that you found your place and like, I know that any, any woman that works with you, like her life will be so, so much better and sweeter and more enjoyable because like,

your just your heart is so good. And so I know that you bring that into everything that you do. And I know how important the work that you do is to you. And so anybody that is thinking about hiring you absolutely should because I know how amazing you are.

Thank you. Thank you everyone for listening as well. Follow what Kelsey just said. Just

You

kidding. But I'll see you all on Thursday. That's

when we do our strategic journaling episodes. And thank you again for being here.