What happens when you grow up learning not to trust what you see, feel, or know?

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Chris shares her experience growing up with narcissistic and abusive parents and eventually making the incredibly difficult decision to walk away. She describes how that decision began a healing journey that she believes also opened intuitive and spiritual abilities that trauma had previously muted.

We explore something so many adult children understand: when you're repeatedly taught that your perceptions are wrong, you eventually stop trusting yourself. We talk about intuition, trauma, nervous system patterns, boundaries, self-love, family estrangement, and what Chris describes as the energetic weight we can continue carrying long after an experience has ended.

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hello everybody, and welcome

back to another episode of

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Adult Child of Dysfunction.

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Today we have with us a special guest.

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We have Chris Wasco.

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She is an energy healer, spiritual

counselor, and psychic medium

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who empowers old souls and

survivors of narcissistic abuse.

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She is the creator of Spicy Old Souls,

a program designed for healing both

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human and soul levels of trauma.

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Chris is also the author of An Old

Soul's Journey: A Guide to Inner

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Child Healing and Conscious Evolution.

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Welcome, Chris.

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Thank you so much, Tammy.

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Yeah, I love that introduction, too,

because I love the old soul thing, and

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it's funny how some people, like my

son is 22 now, but he was kinda one of

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those kids that was like 6 going on 50.

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Yeah.

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And that was a, a saying

that we used to always say.

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I'm like, "Oh, you have to excuse him.

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He's an old soul."

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It was like he had this deep, dark

wisdom that nobody else seemed to

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have around him, so I love that,

that you use that Old Soul's Journey.

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- Yeah.

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That's the best description, too

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it, yeah, and some people just do.

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Some people have that, I don't know.

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Yeah.

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It's a different aura about them.

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Exactly.

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So talk about how you got into that work.

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For myself, I always

identified as an old soul.

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I was even told a lot as a kid.

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Usually when, like in your son's

example, you just know, and so

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many people start telling you.

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So it's just something that I guess

I just really identified with a lot.

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- My journey just evolved in probably

the most chaotic way because , I

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had a very different background

than what I'm doing right now.

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I was in business.

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I was working in New York.

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I had a very what one

might call a muggle life.

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I one day made the most difficult

decision of my life to cut

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off my narcissistic parents.

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They are both abusive in their own way

physical as well as emotional, and that

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abuse was starting to affect my children.

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My father hit my first child-

Ooh … and that should have been my

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walk away I'm done, I'm not doing this.

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But it actually took time after that

because anyone who's in an abusive

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relationship knows how - difficult

it is to walk away, and especially

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as your parents, you don't wanna

break ties with the people who've

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essentially brought you into this world.

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I certainly didn't.

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And that was actually the first time my

dad ever apologized to me, and if anyone

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knows narcissists, they do not apologize.

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Oh, they do not.

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So to have gotten that, I was like, "Okay,

maybe he might do better and be better.

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I'm actually getting an apology."

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So it was another eight years

until I officially walked away.

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Just the cycle continued.

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We never left him alone with

any of my children ever again.

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, At that point, he threatened my

husband, and that was, I was, "I'm done.

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I'm not doing this anymore."

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In any kind of abusive situations, we

always think in theory we're gonna leave

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and we're gonna feel this feeling of

peace or freedom or whatever we think.

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But no, your body is hardwired

to whatever that chaos was.

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So I was terrified.

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I didn't know what my parents might do.

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My mother is extremely vindictive,

so I was definitely in this state

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of, fight, fright, fear, and flight.

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So a lot of different Fs

on the, the trauma scale.

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But I knew I needed to heal.

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So my healing journey, which is

why it's so surreal, it opened

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up - all my spiritual abilities.

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I didn't know I could

see people in spirit.

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I didn't know I could

read the chakra system.

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I wouldn't even call myself psychic.

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I would have maybe said I was,

like, an intuitive empath.

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But what I learned is all of my

trauma muted these abilities.

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So my life changed for the better,

all because I made the most

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challenging decision of my life.

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And for the people out there

listening, it's a decision that

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so many people have to make.

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And I'm going back to where you said,

"My father apologized," and narcissists

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don't apologize, and it's like,

okay, so but narcissists manipulate.

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So … was it really a real apology?

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That's would've been my first thought.

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My mother was the same way, and I'm like,

if she had ever apologized to me, I'd

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be like, "Oh, yeah, that's backhanded.

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There's something coming."

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Something is behind that.

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It's a manipulation tactic.

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That's how I would've seen it.

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But no fault of any of ours, because

if you grew up like that, , again,

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you want to trust the parents.

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You want to believe that your parents,

like you said, the people that brought you

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into the world are the people that go, are

going to protect you and have your back.

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Exactly.

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So but I love that.

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I love that you got into that.

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And so often you made such a good point,

too, and I talk about that a lot, is

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when you grow up in that kind of trauma,

and just any really trauma, and you

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forget that you actually have intuition.

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I feel like we are all-knowing.

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We are born all-knowing.

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Yes.

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And then as we explore that as children,

if it's stifled or violated in any

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way, you stop trusting yourself.

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Exactly.

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And so those little things are

constantly spinning in your

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head, but you're like, "Oh no.

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That can't be right.

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I can't be right.

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I must be wrong."

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… So many people I've talked to where

it's really opened up this spiritual

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journey, and I love to see that.

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So when you talk about

trauma energy, what is that?

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Tell the audience.

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Trauma energy reveals itself

in so many different ways.

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If I see it, it'll be

blurred, it'll be distorted.

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It might show some fragments or fractures.

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It will really depend on what the

person's energy body is revealing.

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If I feel it, it'll

reveal itself in weight.

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So the heavier it feels, the more

trauma that has gone on in that

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person's body, because it's literally

being carried by them, and it's heavy.

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So trauma energy piles up, That,

those are the more frequent ways I

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experience it when I do reads on people.

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Sometimes I might hear things.

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I might hear verbal abuse, for example.

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I almost feel like I- I'm just

getting yelled at over and over.

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But I guess in my own experience, because

I had all of this, I understand what it

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looks like, it feels like, it sounds like.

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So when I'm doing these reads,

it's easier for me to interpret.

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So in my experience, I could thank

my parents for the upbringing I have,

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'cause it helped me do what I do now.

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And I'm also separate from it,

where I'm not taking it on.

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It's not personal.

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It's not even something I'm

taking on energetically.

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I'm just witnessing in a client,

and I'm sharing with them.

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Because more often than not, people

don't know what they're carrying or

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how they're carrying it, so my just

bringing it to their attention, sometimes

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the awareness alone is enough to help

them heal it, because they might be

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holding onto something that they don't

need to hold onto anymore, that it has

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served as a protective mechanism, so

it probably did serve them at one time.

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But awareness is always that first

level, so I work to bring that awareness.

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What am I seeing?

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What am I hearing?

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What am I feeling?

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And sharing it with them, and showing

them where it is in the body, and

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where I feel it's connected to.

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So I won't always get an exact

story, but I'll feel a mother energy

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or a father energy or sometimes an

experience, like I feel like I'm

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in school, I feel like I'm at work.

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It's just something going on in that

e- experience, so it just, again,

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depends on what story the body

wants to share, because the body

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always reveals itself in layers.

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The first layer is always that way

of waving "Hi, I need attention.

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I'm here.

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I'm ready to be seen."

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And then as you uncover those layers,

other ones start to come to the surface.

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So I'm always very

respectful because they're…

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the body has energetic boundaries as

well, so there are times people get a

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little scared, "What is she gonna see?"

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And I might see a barrier and

I'll say, "Hey I'm noticing

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something here that's very guarded.

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I'm not gonna go beyond it."

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Because I've…

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I also deal with people that deal

with a lot of trauma, as far as sexual

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abuse and really traumatic experiences

that they don't want to relive.

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So I'm always very respectful of that.

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So the body will only reveal what

it feels safe for you to reveal.

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I was gonna ask that because I have,

I've dealt with a couple people that do

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Akashic records and things like that-

where they're literally reading past

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lives, and they're opening this book.

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And, I had the woman on my podcast,

and she literally said "Okay,

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I knew, I saw that in this past

lifetime, this person may have

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been beheaded," or whatever it was.

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And I'm not going to bring that out.

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I'm not gonna traumatize someone.

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So there is a fine line.

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And I mention that because people that

are curious about going to someone

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like you, that is an energy healer

and a spiritual counselor there is

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that kind of trepidation, as far

as can I trust whatever's going on?

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It's the same thing I always

thought it was fascinating.

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I wanna go to a psychic.

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I want them to tell me, like, why?

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Why am I like this?

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Or what is going to happen in the future?

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That always fascinated

me, it never scared me.

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But at the same time, I can see

where sitting down with you,

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and you going, "Okay, there's

something deep and dark here."

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Yeah, it's vulnerable.

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Nobody wants to hear that.

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Vulnerable.

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That puts you in a very

vulnerable p- place.

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So for the people listening, rest

assured, this is not to trigger

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anybody or anything like that.

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But that if you go to someone, and it

is a professional, they're going to be

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gentle and compassionate and understand

that this is not to read your mind and

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throw every, all this stuff out there.

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But you deal with mostly, when

you say old souls, spicy old

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souls what is that program?

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Spicy Old Souls is a program I developed

to help people with their trauma

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energy, because we carry a lot…

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Old souls carry a lot of trauma

in their current lifetime, because

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I always say old souls take on

the most challenging lessons.

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When you have an old soul, if you

are an old soul, you sign up for

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I call it the advanced courses.

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You've done the easy, so you're here

to really take on the very traumatic,

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emotional upheaval kind of lessons.

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So as wonderful as that sounds on

a soul level, on a human level,

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we just look at that absolutely

sucks, and we can carry that trauma

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energy, we can carry that weight,

that heaviness that I talked about.

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So this program helps you release

a lot of that, and really allow

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you to understand your own energy.

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Because the more you understand

your own energy, the more you can

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work with it to heal it, and to help

yourself evolve however you want to

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in this lifetime, and even beyond.

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But also, any kind of healing

you do now sends ripples into

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all of your lives, because we're

existing all at the same time.

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So those ripples do something.

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So developing this program, I

was absolutely called to do it…

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I didn't wake up one day

like, "I have to do this."

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I was just one day doing a

chore, and it just came to me,

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"You're gonna create a program."

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And I said, "Okay."

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So it evolved over time.

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I'm really happy with how it's come

together and how it helps people, because

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the reason it's called Spicy Old Souls is

'cause the acronym for it is SOS, because

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old souls often need help, but so many

of us are so bad about asking for it.

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We've become so programmed to just

do it ourselves, to figure it out.

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So this program is an independent program.

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You don't have to go to someone.

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It's, "Hey, here are some tools.

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Here's how to work with this," and

allow yourself to relieve yourself

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of some of that trauma energy so that

you don't have to carry that burden

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anymore, 'cause you're not meant to.

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No.

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Now, how would you know if,

let's say, my son is an old soul.

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. Like I said, he was 5 going on 50.

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He just had this wisdom about him.

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How would people know to question

"Hey, maybe I am an old soul.

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Maybe I am reliving those things"?

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'Cause I remember one time someone

on my podcast said, "You're put

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on this earth to do something.

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You have a mission, or something

to learn- Yes … or something

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to teach, or whatever it is.

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And until you do it and get it right,

you're gonna keep coming back over

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and over again, so you might as

well get it right the first time."

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I remember when they told me that so

changed the way I kinda looked at things.

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Is that what you're kinda talking about?

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I would agree with that because

it is about intention, right?

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The more intentional we are towards

this life and what we're living in our

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experience, because we're meant to be

creators, we're meant to experience life,

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the more we do that, the more we connect

with our path, our purpose our journey.

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- I do believe, yes, we all

have a reason to be here.

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Sometimes I feel we get so

mixed up in what that is.

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We live in a very capitalistic

society, so often we tie it

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to money and financial gain.

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But that is not how

the soul often evolves.

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Doesn't mean it can't, but what

if you're just meant to learn with

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exactly the circumstances you're

in to create circumstances around

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it to allow yourself to evolve?

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It's hinting along what it is to

start manifesting- … because we

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are creators of our own reality.

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So the more we connect to that, the

more we understand ourselves, which is

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again, why I like this program so much.

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The more you have control of your

body energy, you understand it, the

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more powerful a manifester you are.

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You literally change your life

because you change your energy.

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And that's power.

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It- but in a beautiful way, not

in a control, narcissistic way

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that our society is based on.

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So that's why I feel it's just

so beautiful to connect to that

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because it's very soul-centered.

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And how would you suggest to

people if they're like, "Okay, I

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don't even know what my energy is.

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What does that even mean, Chris?"

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… How would you suggest or help

people kinda understand what kind

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of energy they're putting off?

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I do have a quiz.

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I have a quiz on my website.

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It is a free quiz that people could

take, see what comes back at them.

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Do they feel aligned to it?

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So that's one start.

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And when it comes to your own energy,

it's really looking at your life and

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your circumstances, whatever it is.

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Whatever in front of you, that is what

you have brought into your reality.

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That is what your energy has

attracted to, into your reality,

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for better or for worse.

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And you have the ability to change that

or keep it, depending on what you desire.

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And that's really the first way to start.

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When you start looking around,

especially if you're complaining

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about things, you are the only one

that has the ability to change that.

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We always want others to change.

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I absolutely wanted my

parents to be better.

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I wanted to be loved.

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I wanted to be - consoled.

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I wanted to have that genuine

feeling of what it is to be

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loved by a mother and a father.

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But my parents were so damaged,

they didn't have that ability.

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I think they loved to the best of their

ability, but when we are raised in any

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kind of narcissistic system, you can only

love to the level that you've learned.

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And it's hard to learn beyond that.

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So your love is very limited.

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So one of my desires was to

learn unconditional love.

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But in order to have that,

I couldn't expect my parents

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to give it and change that.

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I had to find it.

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I had to find it and give it to myself

first, but first I had to discover it.

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So look at your environment, look at what

you're desiring, and then figure out how

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you discover that within yourself first.

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Because when you start giving

it to yourself, that's when your

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reality starts reflecting back

to you exactly what you wanted.

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Exactly.

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And it's funny that you said that because

my last podcast, we just had a whole

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thing on unconditional love, 'cause

that's where I hit that was my rock bottom

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when I was 26, pregnant, and realized

I don't even know what that means.

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Like, how am I gonna have

this little baby and…

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eh, I don't know what it means.

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I had no clue.

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I had never experienced it, and I'm

like, "I don't know if I can do this."

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It was like that two by four, , it

had to happen because it had to

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catapult me into how do I become

better than my parents were?

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How do I do that?

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And that was a big part of it.

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But I love what you said about the

look at your life right now, and it

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is without a doubt a culmination of

everything that you have done, every

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decision you've made, every choice

you've made, for whatever reason.

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And like you said, the good or the bad.

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And that's a hard thing for some

people because- When you grow up in

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that kind of trauma, especially until

you become violently aware of that

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concept that you just said, you can

tend to live the life of a victim.

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100%.

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I fully agree with that.

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Although I will say this, when you have

grown up in, in a traumatic environment,

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an abusive environment, I believe having

that victim period is important because

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you need to allow yourself that grief.

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You need to allow yourself that

ability to process what you've

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experienced and to be validated for it.

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So I never wanna criticize

anyone that's in that mode.

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I absolutely was in that mode of "I

can't believe my parents did this to me.

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I can't believe my family did this to me."

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But I had to move beyond that.

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I'm not the victim.

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They're not the villains.

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This is the experience I needed,

I signed up for, and I - was

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able to make choices around it.

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And because I did I took my power back

and I changed my life for the better.

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I have never been more happy in my life,

but I've also never realized the kind of

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peace I could have brought into my life.

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I thought that kind of peace could

only exist within that family

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system because it was my family,

and we're understood, oh, you have

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to connect, stay with your family.

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It's your mother.

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How many times I'd hear that.

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But my gosh, breaking away from that,

I have more peace than I've ever had.

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It's amazing.

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It's beautiful.

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I don't miss them.

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I just miss the idea of them.

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It would've been nice, but I'm

not seeking it from them anymore.

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I'm giving them the love from a distance.

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I love you.

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I send you love.

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I wish all the best for you, but I

recognize I love me, too, and I deserve

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the love that I now have in my life.

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Amen.

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And that is a good place to be.

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And I tell people, because there is

that guilt, I don't know how many times

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people would say, "How can you say that?

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That's your mother.

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How can you not love her?"

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"That's your mother.

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How can you say, 'I hate you'?

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That's your mother."

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I'm like, "How can she pimp

me out to her drug dealers?

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That's my mother."

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You know what I mean?

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Exactly.

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I'm like, there is a flip-flop here, and

the people like I s- tell my clients, that

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are having struggles like, "Oh my gosh, my

brother, it's such a toxic relationship."

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I said, "If he wasn't blood,

would he be in your life?"

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Exactly.

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And if the answer is no, then it's okay.

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The people that I consider my family

have no blood ties to me at all.

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Exactly.

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And that's okay.

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And yeah, so you…

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And to feel guilt about that, yes,

you can feel sad about that, that

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you did lose that part like you said.

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You're gonna grieve that loss of

what could've been or should've been

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or blah blah blah, but you can't.

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You can't delve on that

for the rest of your life.

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. You have to take care of

you in the here and now.

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What would you suggest…

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I know I'm kinda talking

all over the place.

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What does healing look

like to you energetically?

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'Cause I love the whole energy thing.

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What does it look like?

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It w- like it comes on in layers,

it releases in layers too.

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So when people are going through a

healing process, I'll feel the shifts.

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I'll sometimes see it,

but most often I feel it.

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You feel different today.

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- When people work with me one-on-one,

they'll usually work with me

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- especially if they've had intense

trauma, usually about a year.

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And it is amazing to see the

transformation from the first

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session to the last session.

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And they're not the same person anymore.

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They're just this better version

of themselves, and a lot of it is

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just that the energy is lighter.

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It's more vibrant.

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I would say vibrancy is the one thing

that really stands out, and it's magnetic.

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And they feel it too.

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.. And really, it's because they've

learned to love themselves.

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Yep.

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They've learned to look at themselves in

a beautiful way a- and not have all that

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heaviness of what was weighing them down.

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And it always looks and feels

different for each person, but that

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feeling of that lightness and that

brightness in them and in their auric

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field is, it's just, it's beautiful.

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And I get very excited about it

because, I always say my job is to

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get you to a point where you don't

feel like you need me anymore.

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Amen.

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And then I feel like I've done something.

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You know- … you want me?

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Sure, and , I'll - happily help,

but where … I've given you the

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tools, and you're now out in the

world just living your best life.

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It can be a session or it can be a year.

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It doesn't matter.

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I feel lighter.

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Yes.

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Because when you walk into me, you have

a backpack of experiences, emotions,

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this full backpack on your back that you

can't see, but it's weighting you down.

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And like you said, every time you release

something, that is an energetic release,

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and you're getting a little lighter.

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I use that for an example, and test it.

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Test it with yourself.

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If you forgive, quote unquote, "forgive"

somebody for wronging you, and then

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they walk into a room and your stomach

clenches, you are still holding onto

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that energy, and it's not gone yet.

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So that's how, you can do body tests.

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I'm sure you do, check your own body.

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Where are you feeling it?

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That is energy.

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Emotion is energy in motion.

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Get it out.

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Do you do a lot of that?

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Exactly.

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The body tells you everything.

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The body tells you everything you need

to know about yourself, your experiences,

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and like you said, just those reactions.

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Those gut reactions are powerful.

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Yep, and that's a lot of, I'm sure a

lot of what you're do- . It's energy.

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We are all energy.

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I actually do a, an energy scan

with my clients as a kind of bring

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them into my world kind of thing

that checks 171,000 different

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frequencies of your energy, checks

your chakras, checks your meridians.

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It checks your kneecap, whatever it is.

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And it just finds those imbalances,

but at the end of the day, it's all

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getting these imbalances to release

themselves however you have to do that.

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With animals, it's shaking that energy.

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That's that nervous energy.

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Yeah.

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They shake.

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With humans, if you need to shake, shake.

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So be it.

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Exactly.

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So how would you suggest to your

clients that they start doing

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these small shifts on their own?

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What would be a couple first

steps you would suggest to them?

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Always look at where you're at,

because - there are people that can't

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get out of bed every day, and then

there are people that are just feeling

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very weighed down - by experience.

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So movement is always helpful.

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If you're at the point you're not getting

out of bed, the little micro movements

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that you do in bed will help you.

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And, m- and maybe one day you're just

sitting up and you're putting your

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feet on the ground, so it's that,

the, how it, you're building on it.

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A lot of things people also do is

recycled thoughts, recycled experiences.

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When you are reliving these past

experiences, you're constantly

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putting yourself in past energy.

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So working to rewrite those or shift

it to something present, and it could

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be just as present as I'm looking at

a dish right now, and it's blue, and

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I'm gonna wash this dish, and start

saying it out loud to distract your

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mind from that old recycled pattern.

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That takes more time, but we

often get so caught up in that,

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especially when we've had trauma.

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We relive the traumatic experiences

because it's the body's way

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of connecting to safety.

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The more I prepare myself for the future

based on the past, the safer I am.

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But it keeps us stuck in that old

traumatic energy, and you're more

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likely to manifest it in the future-

because you're literally recycling

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it over and over in your mind.

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So the universe is saying,

"Oh, you like this.

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We'll give you more of it."

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And it sucks.

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I've absolutely experienced that myself,

but when we get to that where some old

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memory comes up or some trigger comes

up, start writing a different story,

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and make it the story about your day.

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What are you gonna do that day?

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And start saying it out loud.

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"Okay, I'm grabbing my keys right now.

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I'm grabbing my sunglasses.

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I'm walking out the door."

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Just to get that out of your mind,

or you have to do something physical.

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Bounce a ball, jump up and down.

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Spin.

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Spinning is a good one also for chakras,

- clockwise motion, and, not too fast.

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But it just allows the body a reset.

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That's essentially what you are

working on, is the energy of resetting.

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Because the more your body

learns that reset, it doesn't

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go back to that default setting.

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So the reset is the process you're working

on, and ultimately, you'll get to a place

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where you don't have to do it as much.

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Yeah.

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But it makes sense, especially

when you've gone through trauma,

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you go through these spirals.

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Yes.

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One little thought, if you don't

nip it in the bud and replace

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it with something else, like you

said, where does anxiety come from?

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Either a memory from the past or

catastrophizing about the future

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based on a memory from the past.

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So at no point are we in the present.

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So any of those things.

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I love that tip of just

looking at something.

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I do that.

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I'll be like, just stare at something

on your wall and be like interesting."

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Focus on the design on

your paint, whatever it is.

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Just something to grab your

attention back to not that.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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Not that.

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Wow, this has been fun.

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This has been super fun, actually.

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… I want you to - reiterate what

you consider an old soul, and who

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might be a good client for you.

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Old souls are often recognizable

through that energy weight.

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They just have this presence.

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You used the word in

relation to your son, wisdom.

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They just have this wisdom connected

to them, and you can't explain why.

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And this isn't always connected to, I, I

will say intelligence, because old souls

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don't always do well academically, because

school and them do not fit very well.

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The structure of a school

environment does not work very

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well for an old soul's energy.

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So if you have that type of child and you

think they're not very wise 'cause they're

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getting Cs and Ds," I'd be like, "Yeah,

that's probably an old soul" because

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they're frustrated with that environment.

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And this is usually on that when you're

working with a child, a teenager.

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Older people, when they get especially

to their 20s and their 30s, they're

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probably exhausted because so much of

that trauma energy has been weighing.

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So if they haven't been able to

face it, work with it, allow any

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of it to release, by the time they

get to the, definitely their 30s

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they're depleted on so many levels.

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So often they'll actually see, especially

women, adrenal fatigue, and adrenal

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fatigue unfortunately can be connected

to so many things, especially motherhood.

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Yeah.

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So it's not always, oh, you're

an old soul, yeah, 'cause

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you have adrenal fatigue.

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But it's just one of those things I see.

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But other things is

just the inner knowing.

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They have this inner f- knowing…

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their ability to read people is uncanny.

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They can read a room like nothing else.

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They'll walk into an environment,

they could tell you if something

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is not good about it or if

something is amazing about it.

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They just understand things without

even knowing fully why they understand

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it, and they also have a deeper sense

of who they are and what they want.

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Maybe not so much what they wanna do,

because that's part of the journey.

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Sometimes they do.

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It really will depend And especially

it depends on how connected t-

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they are to a previous life.

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So when you're seeing a very young

child especially a prodigy or someone

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very connected to, like an instrument

or an experience, you have these kids

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that are obsessed with outer space or

obsessed with history, and no one in

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the house does anything of that nature.

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It's just very unique to that child.

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Those are all old soul hints.

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And I would say more often than not, they

tend to be very challenged or challenging.

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I often say no one challenges a parent

like an old soul child, because it

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is their clearest mirror of really

showing you the things about yourself

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that you may or may not wanna see, and

that could be a little triggering Okay.

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Yeah.

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No, that makes total sense.

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And I'm laughing because I'm thinking

of my son in all these situations.

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I remember we used to pass the plates,

and what's one thing you learned today?

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And I think he was in kindergarten,

and we were passing our plates, and

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what's one thing you learned today?

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And he said, "I learned I

don't really like school."

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Yep.

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And I was laughing.

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And he really didn't.

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He dropped out of college and everything

else, but now he's in the military where

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he is the decision-maker, he is the

critical thinker, he is the guy, and

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he's excelling like you wouldn't believe.

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And- Believe that, though, now- Yeah

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because he's just connected

to him, so he got the…

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it's a freedom.

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It's a sense of freedom.

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Old souls don't do well with constructs.

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That's why school doesn't

work well for them.

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So if anyone has the ab- knows

they have an old soul child, if…

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And if they have the ability to

homeschool I absolutely do recommend that.

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It makes the educational

path a lot easier.

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Not at first, especially if you're

not used to it, but over time,

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because they connect with who they

are, and they just don't have that

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restriction that school often places.

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B- 'Cause school puts us in a box.

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Not everyone belongs in the same box,

but school puts us all in the same box,

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and it's tough for a soul that knows

there's more to them and more to life.

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But they're in this box.

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So, that constriction

affects their body energy.

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That's why a lot of times they come

home and they're in such a bad mood.

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It is very hard for them after a

while to shake that energy, 'cause

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they don't know that a lot of what

they're carrying isn't theirs.

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No, that makes total sense.

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- You probably can't hear

it from where you are.

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We are having a huge storm here, and I'm

watching lightning right by my house.

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Oh, crazy.

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I'm like…

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Yeah, it is crazy right now.

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You can't hear it, can you?

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No.

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I, When you said that, maybe that

little rumble, but no, - Okay.

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No, it's crack, and my dog's barking.

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Oh, that's crazy.

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Yeah.

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Zoom is a wonderful thing, right?

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Yeah, indeed.

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But this has been super fun, but I

love all of the, the conversations

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people have about energy, and I

love when you bring it in with the

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intuition part of it and what you do,

because that is so vitally important.

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And I encourage anybody

to go - take that quiz.

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Just find out.

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You never know.

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So tell people if they wanna take

the quiz, learn more about you, come

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work with you, how do they do that?

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Easiest way to find me is my website,

which is my name, chriswasco.com.

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Okay, perfect.

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And before you leave…

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first of all, thank you

so much for coming on.

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And before you leave, can you give the

listeners some words of advice or words

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of wisdom or just something kind of

tangible they can take with them today

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to make their day a little brighter?

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Yeah, I often tell people that

energy heals in micro movements.

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We often, especially in a very fast-paced

society, want to heal yesterday, and that

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causes what I call a rubber band effect.

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You rush something, but you snap

back into those old patterns.

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So when we want to make energetic

changes that have the ability to

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last for long-term success, it's the

smaller things you do each day to

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allow for those changes to stick.

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And doing that also honors your

body to accept it, to allow it to

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integrate, and to allow it to accept

this version of you're trying to be.

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But a lot of that is about having patience

for yourself, and sometimes we get

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really frustrated with that part of the

journey, 'cause we just wanna feel better.

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And I completely get it, but you didn't…

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it didn't happen overnight, so

to switch it to where you want

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that's gonna take a little time

but it also takes a lot of love.

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So that patience you have your, for

yourself, the more you have, you realize

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those are those little bits of love

you continue to give yourself each day.

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I love that.

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I absolutely love that.

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And I'm picturing the rubber

band, and it's so true.

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Just- and not only that, when

you think about that too,

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what happens to a rubber band?

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Eventually it's- Yeah … doesn't come

back to its- Exactly … original shape.

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It comes back to a frayed, falling apart.

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It's not a good thing.

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And then it thinks that's the new norm.

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So yeah.

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Exactly.

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Make those small little micro steps.

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What would be your very first step

you would encourage people to take?

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Two things, movement and breath.

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Because breath always keeps

you in the present moment.

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So when you're getting into

those past experience, future

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worries, start breathing.

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You don't have to do breathwork.

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The more trauma someone's had, the

less aligned they are to breathwork.

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It takes time to connect to

breathwork because you have

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to calm the nervous system.

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While breathwork can calm the

nervous system, in those more high

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traumatic energy bodies, breathwork

is a little too challenging.