In this episode of Devil's Trap podcast, hosts Diana and Liz discuss Season 10, Episode 11 of Supernatural, titled 'There's No Place Like Home.' They delve into the episode's plot, character dynamics, and the duality of Charlie's character, exploring themes of good versus evil and the consequences of one's choices.

On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we ask the important questions.

What is kale?

What's in a Harvey Wallbanger?

Who is the Gassy Bandit? Let's do this.

Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast. I'm Diana. I'm Liz. And we are going to talk about season 10, episode 11. There's No Place Like Home.

There isn't, but there's also no way I want to watch this episode again. I'm done now. I hopefully never have to watch. I don't want to see this one again. All right, so we will get to that. What have you been doing before we get to the bummer of it? We have many interesting things to talk about. Don't run away at the top. we, it won't be sad. It'll be interesting. Don't run away. What have you been up to?

We're still like finishing redoing our multiple rooms in our house because once you redo one and then it dominates into like a bunch others and we bought a sofa this weekend.

See, that doesn't have to happen. That just happens. That doesn't happen to everybody. That just happens to you.

it does in our house.

Yeah, I know. So yeah, so that's what we've been doing. That's my life. This is my life rearranging and painting. Well, actually Dave's doing all the painting. So rearranging things. Yay. But we bought a new sofa. That's exciting.

You're not hiring somebody to paint with his back?

His back's good. Okay. That was his neck and that's better now. But yeah, so now we've been doing that and yeah, that's my life. I'm getting ready to go to Austin for not South By.

Okay.

For South By. It is South You're coming to Austin for fucking South By. I don't care if it's a side event, you're coming to Austin for sucking fests.

Yeah, but it's not. I'm not going anything.

That is sucking five like

Yeah, that's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. How about you?

So we had, went and saw the Spies Like Us 30th anniversary show on Saturday at the Ra Ra Room, which I thought I had seen, like I thought had been there before, but I been to their sister bar, which is basically across the street from them, which is why I thought like when I saw the address was like, they just changed the name of that one bar that I went to that one time, but actually, no, it's a different bar. And the other bar that I've been to, which is the Bang Bang, that is where Faye had played.

the bang bang and the rah rah. I kind of love it and it's dumb, but I

The bang bang and the rah rah.

It's dumb and I love that too for them. They had Frito pies and bags, which if I had a different stomach than I have at the moment, I would have been all about it. was kind of jealous watching people eat those. The drinks were, some of them were fine. A double of vodka was $17, but that's pretty normal these days.

That's double, that's a price of a-

was kind of premium vodka. I don't like it was me it was Tito is it wasn't like super fancy vodka, but still. So that wasn't too bad. I did get a guy buy me a free drink because I held his place against the wall. And he didn't put any drugs in it, which made me sad. I was hoping for you know, a good time.

It's like when you're, it's a combination of like relief and disappointment.

Like, man, I don't have an excuse now.

So like, damn it, no one to drug me?

No, no, like what the hell and but it's just that people are so weird. He gave me the drink. I asked what his name was like, you know, me his name and then he went to his mom looked at his phone and then later I went to the bathroom and I did not ask him to hold my spot and then some dude fucking took my spot. Fuck you, dude. Like you saw me standing there, you piece of shit. And you're very tall. Sorry, tall man. Tall man should never take short woman space. I feel like that is like a

Maybe he thought he was doing the right thing by standing against the wall though, because he was tall. I don't know. Because sometimes I find a wall or a pole to stand by because I'm tall.

Yeah, so then that guy was like, you didn't tell me to save it for you. I'm like, that's gonna and then I ended up getting squished between him and another person like on the other side of the wall. And they were too close to me. But yeah, so that's the story of the wall at the rottweiler. But yeah, the the Nagans opened, Jason hasn't Jason from spies like us has a new band and forget what

Well.

they're called, but they're very replacements like, and then they played a replacements cover. And so then I was correct in my assumption, my, or my choice. And that's what they sounded like. So the Naggins, I think that's her name are a Irish punkish band, do a lot of Pogues covers on a Floggy Mally covers. And I just got off of a Floggy Mally cruise.

Also, the DJ was playing Hep Cat and Aggro Lights who were also on the Flogging Molly Cruise. And then I'm kind of over all these bands right now. Can you please stop playing them? I really didn't want to hear them for a while.

That's like next week, like this later this week, I'm going to be like, so like Americana out like I your country band, but please give me something else. I mean,

Yeah, so it was a they're they are a big, you know, big iris production, you know, with the fiddle multiple. Yeah, they have like nine like ton of people also means like they're set up to fucking forever and get taken the down to forever. So I'm just like, I'm get the shit over with. Like, why are you taking so long? Stop chatting. Let's go. I got to get home. So spies like us came on and.

their type of like, I I I skanked a lot on the cruise, but there was also like, I feel like HapKat and Agri-Lites are much like, slower. Spies like was much more of the like, pick it up, pick it up, pick it up. I'm like, that's a lot of knee work and cardio and I can do like 15 seconds and done. Like you're like, and the song starts, you're like, yeah, I'm into.

That's fine.

Nope.

So, I mean, I didn't stay for the whole show because I also was worried about getting out of the parking lot. um, and so I got, you know, I still got home at midnight was still too late for me. I would much rather get home at like 11, but yeah, so that was my weekend. And then, well, cause the next day I had Lyra class and then I didn't want to be throwing up at Lyra, you know, cause it's not fun. And for the longest time I've been trying to do this thing called an inverted straddle mount.

And basically is like, it's like when you like roll, like do like backwards somersaults and monkey bars kind of, but when you're an adult, you can't do that anymore. And you know, you think you feel like you can do it, but you can't, or it just takes a lot. So I've been trying to do that forever. And I didn't think I could ever do one. And I stopped trying. And then we had a sub in class. She's like, let's just see where everyone's at. And then I fucking did it. And then I was just like, oh my God, an entire class like clap for me. I'm like, yeah.

Yay! But you did!

And then I couldn't do it again.

But I did it, so did it once, it means I can do it again. So I was very excited. I've been trying for fucking ever and I really just thought my tits weren't gonna live.

I've like this alarm.

had to do, you have to do these T-Rex arms in front of you and you know, and then like you hold it's a thing. And he's like, those T you get more support if your T-Rex arms are smishing giant mammary glands. I feel like, which is probably why gymnasts are generally young girls with no chest. Hey house, did lots of, we did lots of fun things that I'm covered in bruises and yeah.

Yes.

This isn't material show, this is us. anyhow, and so it is already March 10th, like you said, South by South is coming.

But success.

part of it started already. I saw like there was some stuff down there already. Oh yeah, and I watched Love is Blind finale because that's my other shit. That's my jam. But yeah, they've already started like all the other film and things like that were happening over the last week and then we're going into music week.

It is, you that is the thing. It is nice to not have to fucking worry about that. I don't have to worry about traffic or parking or dealing with, you want to see this band? Son of a bitch, that's a showcase. Like, what do you mean I need a fucking like wristband to get in there? No, I don't want to stand in goddamn line for three hours. Go see the stupid band.

Nope. I know the things. Not doing any of that. No.

Felicia Day feels like he writes for Charlie really well. So I think it was good that he was there. And of course, Phil is such a legend with this show. we start off with a normal looking affluent house.

Yeah, it's a bourbon house and we hear yells and a flash out of the window. And then some dude with his hands tied together is running down the stairs. It's actually a really well shot scene with him running down the stairs. And then he gets outside and he trips over the hose, busts his ass and his motion lights come on. And we see he sits up and it's real quiet for a minute, but there is a silhouette of a woman just outside where the light reaches.

That's very interesting.

and he's just talking about how he doesn't know anything else and she's like, that's fine. I'm going to torture you anyways. And it is Charlie with her hair super sleek and looking not very Charlie-y.

like bad faith or bad willow, you know, like whenever someone splits and I'll get into that later. But I mean, yeah, she looks like a much more sexed up version of herself.

Yeah, so we cut back to the.

Cut to the bunker and Dean is, while Sam's on the phone with Cassiel, Dean is serving egg white omelets and hating them. He says he's doing 12 steps to keep the mark in check, but he hasn't had a drink in a week. He's trying to get eight hours of sleep a night and eat right. And Sam's pretty impressed with this and Dean is pissed because the food sucks. This is miserable. He wants to get rid of this quote, demonic tramp stamp.

so that he can get back on booze, burgers, and more booze.

Yeah, I mean, that seems fine. Sam's still awesome though, it's just like, look, I got nothing. But he least is impressed with what Dean is doing. Then we get a research montage.

It is a research montage where Dean also drinks a green smoothie that he's also disgusted by. And I kind of don't blame him. I only had a couple that were good ever.

There was a time where I had a green smoothie book and I if you did shit right, like you could make delicious green drinks, but it's and it generally it's it's just too much effort and I don't give a shit. Like I'll just eat an apple. I I just don't care. Right. Somebody else wants to.

taste them for me.

Yeah, like, I will have let somebody else make it for me. Like if I was still like belong to the gym, they had like the juice bar like, yeah, that would be fine. Or like maybe like a Jamba Juice. But I'm not making that shit at home. I'm not gonna clean that blender.

Yeah. So. Suddenly we hear Sam say, what the hell? And Danes immediate response was Kane or Crowley. It's kind of funny. And Sam's like Charlie and so Charlie is back from Oz, but did not call and their feelers are hurt. So Sam has a video of Charlie fighting this being this dude's ass in his backyard that was shot by like a neighbor kid. And because Sam in the middle of all the

research, got distracted looking at weird news that might be related to

Yeah.

And apparently Dean's going to try to call her and she's not going to answer, but she tortured this DA and had previously gone after this court stenographer.

Which is just a mean thing to do. Especially like, you know, was it when she had her little typewriter? You know, I'm always just fascinated with a stenographer. But yeah, so she got attacked. But Dean wants to give her the benefit of the doubt because you know, maybe she's hunting and sometimes like hunting is like regular cops look at shit like sometimes things can look weird. So let's try that.

Sure, so context matters and they're gonna pack and go check on her. But first they're gonna start to find her, they're gonna go talk to this quote asshat. While Dean's packing, he picks up his knife and he shakes a whole lot while he holds the knife. That's not a great.

It's not even ODT, it's just a regular knife. It's just a knife. Get the shakes.

Yeah, so Sam and Dean go to this DA's house and his name, I wrote it down.

The Harper house is not the Harper house. Peter Harper's is Peter. I was like, it's like Peter Parker, but it's Harper.

Here we go.

right. and therefore they're like, can you tell us about some weird smells or noises? And they guys like, what the fuck are you talking about? No, I've talked to them. I already told the cops about all this.

is a valid thing to be asking anybody because the ghost things could also be like signs of strokes or you know like maybe like someone was setting something on fire like you never know like smells could be something all right

Huh, I got assaulted in my home and tortured. And the first thing the FBI asked me was if I noticed any weird smells or noises in my home. I don't know if that's something I would.

But just like as a precursor and maybe they could be like dude that's what this guy's MO is like he likes to drop in a sulfur bomb or he likes to just like fart up the place before he attacks you like that's just like what he does. He's the gassy the gassy bandit.

the gassy bandit.

Oh, no. All right. Well, so, um, Sam and Dean are like, hmm, also, what do you know about this drunk driving case years ago related to the Miltons? And he's like, well, it never went to trial. The case.

Which is fucking weird, right? Which we don't know. This is something that we're learning about Charlie's family. So her case of the drunk driver, because we know that her mom was in that coma and her dad was killed because there was a drunk driver. that's number one because she wanted to go home. So but it never went to trial. That's fucking weird. It was never settled or anything. Right. It went off the books and their resting officer is dead.

They were on their way to pick her up from the slumber party.

Yeah, and there's no other record of this case anywhere except for this case file for their daughter Celeste. Hmm, and he hands over that file, which is interesting. He just remembers nothing at well.

Then you just happen to have that file sitting out too.

He remembers nothing else and Sam's like, you know, this is interesting because the person that attacks the stenographer or the stenographer said the person that attacked her wouldn't leave until they got a name and that was your name. So what name did you give? he basically Dean Dean coerces Peter. Yeah. And to giving a name. And finally, finally, finally.

Very aggressive.

He gives up. said that there was a lot of money for overseas that was sent to him and he was going to get disbarred. But it was Councilwoman Barbara Cordray.

Yeah. Okay. So that's weird. Some weird shit. So now

Because why does Councilwoman has that much money in like small towns?

I don't know. Yeah, it's just weird. It's just a weird person to whatever. like, there's a very small like I always feel like, I always feel it's very strange when people know like their counsel.

Mm.

Really?

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's like it just doesn't seem like something that most people would know. Anyways, so Council and Barbara Corjorie is who they're going after. So they are in Baby and Sam is reading Charlie slash Celeste's file.

Yeah. And so they've determined that she's looking for the person who destroyed her family and Dean wants to find her before she does something she can't walk away from. And yeah. So they go to this other house and Sam and Dean introduce themselves that they are agents Gabriel and agent Collins.

Yeah, Gabriel Collins, but that woman is very professional looking and tell me like you, she don't work in politics, but like just looking at her, right? Like she just, they just have her, I don't know. It's just, they nailed it.

For sure.

The door in there looks like the Charmed House without the hello sign in it.

But they're basically she's just got back from vacation and doesn't want to answer a goddamn thing. And she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Schedule an appointment with my assistant if you want to talk. Bye. And closes the door on him. So they stake it out. And while they're sitting there, Dean has a very disappointing kale rap. And Sam is sharing notes from Charlie's file about her anti-authority disorder and her clinical depression with violent out.

Yeah, which is pretty a harsh thing for like a young kid, right? And but Dean is like, but hey, they interviewed us at that age. It's still it wouldn't have been good either. Right. So again, grains of salt, like let's try and take things as you know, as they are. Right.

Because Sam's like, well, did we just not know her and did she snap? And Dean's like, no, no, this can't be real. So it's kind of a cute balance here in a way. But anyway, not cute. Not like all cute, but like kind of cute. I don't know.

And or interesting at least let's just say that instead of yeah. Cause my next thing actually says, cause we're going to overuse the word cute. Cause I also say, damn, that house is cute. So. Did they run inside guns drawn.

Eh, alright.

because they hear a scream. they find the Charlie that we saw torturing the dude, that Charlie now has a knife to Barbara's throat. And she should have known that Rocket and Groot would track her down.

Yay. I do love Rocket and Groot. yep. And Charlie just wants answers and she hits Barbara.

Yeah, a lot. And Dean's like, what are you pounding on people for answers now? What happened to you in Oz? And she says, everything I wanted an adventure.

Yep. And she got this cute little sword and she knows that Sam won't hurt her because he lives the good guy code and Dean let Sam hold him back and they put their guns away.

Yeah, so she pushes Barbara and runs and Dean is able to catch her and they get into a fight and she's kicking him and runs and Sam's like, Barbara, what's the fuck did you

So Dean tackles her and maybe this is because we did the fight episode last week. Dean tackles her, Charlie puts them in a scissor hold with their legs on top of them. So she's just like, I'm just with her legs with basically with a vagina. They mean like she's just like, wow, like crushing him with like her thighs. And then like she gets on top of them and she punches in the face and then she's about to leave and she's like, nope. And she runs back. So she has extra time to kick him with the face before she runs.

Choking them out with their legs.

And that extra kick in the face was pretty.

The kick in the face was pretty gnarly. Yeah, I agree. So Sam's asking Barbara what Charlie wanted and she was probably asking for some bank statements and so

What you just have those around like am I printing them out for you? What's going on?

And outside Dean sees Charlie drive off in this black SUV. And notices that baby's tires are slashed. That's rude. So rude. then a yellow gremlin pulls up because Charlie, but her hair is different and her outfit's different. And everybody's confused.

So.

Charm?

And then, yeah, Dina's confused, Sam comes running out, he's also confused, she's like, what's up, bitches, it's me. Then Sam's hair becomes like this extra magical thing where it becomes all tousled around his face. And it really kind of like works, it's less Prince Valiant-ly, it's just like, sort of like, I'm out in the open.

I'm not a shaggy haired girl, so like I just don't...

I'm not, just fascinating with Sam's hair. It has nothing to with whether or not I like shaggy hair.

Can I just block it out?

how you can not notice it. It's like one of the cast members at this point. So then they go from Sam's magical hair to a restaurant slash bar thing.

toes alehouse and yeah basically to Charlie explains there's two of her now there's one good and one bad because there was a war for Emerald City and they were gonna lose so she made a deal with the wizard where he used this weird key thing to fucking open her soul and let her darkness out as a personification

Yeah, and use that with the energy of Oz. It opens the door to your soul. And like you said, it lets dark the darkness out.

I don't believe it. It's creepy. I don't like it.

You don't want the darkness to come out.

No, I like that song, but no. It's weird. I don't like it.

Yeah. And I have a whole thought about that too, but it's kind of saving that one for the end.

She's connected physically though both of them the good good Charlie and bad Charlie are connected physically so if you hurt one it hurts both and being really good all the time is annoying.

Right. Because she said normally, yeah, she's not loving it. Normally she would be banging Harvey Wall bangers. What the fuck is in a Harvey Wall banger? Damn it. It's it sounds awesome, but it's probably gross. It's probably like. I don't know. So while Diana.

That's awesome to have a drink that everybody like you remember your drunk ass by. Right. So, so she's, but so that's what she would be banging. And then she would also be banging or want to thinking about checking out the hot bartender who is ridiculously hot. What is she doing in this town?

Yeah, she's very pretty. She's trying to get out of this town.

Yes, she is working in that bar to make tips. and that's what Charlie wants to do. She wants to send her to college.

So yeah.

wants a sip club soda, which is what I do like most of time at bars these days.

So Dark Charlie won the war and is now trying, but she did awful things to do it. So now she's trying to win back good Charlie by going after the people that took her parents away.

Yeah, that is weird, but it's what, you know, a twisted version of herself will do. And Charlie's solution is, just wanna walk sad me away, which they're just like, I don't know if that's the solution here.

It's weird.

Yeah, not necessarily the right answer and Sam and Dina tell her this they're like, why don't we just get the key and put you back together again? She's like, yeah, that sounds great and all but I can't get back to Oz to get to that key because it's broken.

Here's my big half ass key that is now broken in half because Dark Charlie did that.

So now they need to figure out who this killer is first so that Dark Charlie doesn't kill them. I guess. So...

So Sam's like, so what's can you hack into Barbara's bank account so that we can figure out what dark Charlie was looking for and she can't because hacking is bad.

And so Sam is like, can you guide me through the process and that'll be okay. I am master hacker Sam after all. Think of all the things that I have hacked in the last five seasons. I don't even know if I need your help, Charlie, but why don't you just tell me what to do? Just think.

So many.

Just in case. And Dean is at the bar looking like an alcoholic shaking because he's not taking a shit.

He looks himself in the mirror and then he starts to shake. is just like what's your reflections what's setting you off now? Is it like your deep so full eyes? what?

It's super weird. but in the meantime, Charlie's like, sure, I will tell you how to hack. there's a whole lot of messy, messy money stuff. But they also find this money tied to Russell Wellington, who also apparently they quickly locate the information that his car was stolen the week of the accident, never recovered. He went on a sabbatical for two weeks, returned with bruises and a broken ankle.

Isn't that convenient?

And he's got a fancy picture of him, professional picture of him as a commercial property developer online.

Yeah, and Charlie sees his face and really makes her emotional and Dean's just like, nope, they're gonna close this right now. Nope, not right here, not in the middle of this bar.

Yeah, and they're like, look, you don't need to be part of this good Charlie. You need to stay out of this. Let us go handle it. And, you know, we don't think that locking locking dark Charlie up is gonna work. So she's like, cool, let's go to the bunker. And Dean's like, yes, you and Sam go to the fucking bunker. That's a good idea. So he's going to stay and look after Russell and wait for dark Charlie to show up and protect.

like a drink or something like, or like, yeah, is it or a candy bar or enjoy that dark Charlie or like, you know, really hot porn star, you know, like dark Charlie and like, I don't know, like, it's, it could go a lot of ways anyway. So it's just a very strange thing to be calling somebody over and over again. So

I'm

We say they say a lot and my notes say a lot

Yeah, so if Dark Charlie hurts, so does Good Charlie.

So yeah, there we go. All right. So Sam tells Charlie what the fuck's been going on with Dean while they're on the road. And Dean is on his stakeout listening to a meditation thing.

Yeah, it's a thing, a tape about finding your quiet, which is, but it's also totally bullshit. It is Robert Singer who was doing the voice for that, that tape over, of course. And the Dean also is, it does what I would do, right? It was just like, okay, let me, let me try this and like last like five seconds. Like, nope. And I was throwing this shit out.

Nope. But we see Russell pull in and has Mercedes-Benz SL5 AMG with Gullwing doors and it is

It's very expensive. It's pretty, but it's too much.

I'm not like a small sports car kind of gal and I like.

I don't like anything with wings. like, unless it's like a maxi pad. So he gets out and he's like talking on his phone because he's super important. And then Dean goes inside and a receptionist pushes a clipboard at him to tell him to sign in.

And so he signs in to meet with Russell Wellington, I guess. This is too serendipitous. It makes no sense.

No, he's going to meet. Yeah. He's taking out Russell Wellington. So he's gone to his office. so it's too serendipitous.

I get that.

how it plays out at the office.

What? He's the last one there?

one. It's perfect. Yeah, it's just.

Yeah, probably. Well, he didn't have an appointment. So the other people had appointments. So they put him in at the end. That's what I would do is yeah. And so if I had time, like, yeah, anyway, so there's also some smooth sax playing and there are a bunch of folks in this waiting room. So Dean takes one of the seats.

I guess.

Yeah, Sam and Charlie have located a file on Clive Dillon. Clive Dillon was the original men of letters to locate the key to Oz. And he went there and he got stuck and he had to get back, brought back. It was a whole thing. So when he came back, though, he retired from the men of letters. But there's really not like a procedure for that. So everybody's confused.

to surprise that you could, right? And so it was kind of Sam, Sam's like, well, I guess like, apparently you can, right. But in order to do that, what they really did was put him in kind of like a witness relocation program. But of course they have all the details there because they're terrible at hiding people.

Yes. Yeah. And then we go back to this reception room and it's a woman's calling for Mr. Presley and Dean is intently reading a fitness now magazine with a bunch of women. So after some inappropriate comments about mammograms, he gets escorted to Russell.

deep in the article on mammograms. And frankly, if it was a dude and they saw like what an actual mammogram was, I can see them being actually fascinated. And be like, what the fuck is that article actually shows what happens? Like they would probably be like, well, like, no, it's not just taking a picture of your your tits, dude, like, squish, squish. So squish, squish. So Mr. Presley is now has to go into the

So.

Yeah, so he gets escorted into Russell's office and everyone else is leaving because it's end of the day. So receptionist is gone. The assistant chick is getting cut after she gets instructions for to pick up dry cleaning and take care of a dog. then Russell's like fine and Mr. Presley, what are you looking for? And so Dean is going to describe his dream house. While that's happening, Sam and Charlie have decided that they are going to go.

they're looking for that Clive must be alive and they're going to go find him because time is different in Oz who might not be as old as they think. And he's the closest person to them and he might be able to fix their key.

Yep. And they almost leave the key on the table because that table I think just like traps everything that you put on it. which is okay. Like I understand like now I get it. Like I would take like we all have that table. All right, fine. Like it just like sucks everything to it. So but Charlie goes back and gets it. And so they we go back to Russell's where Dean is saying that he doesn't have to have a jacuzzi, but he really likes bubbles.

Yeah, and Russell kind of stops Dean and he's just gonna call out his cheap shoes and skinny jeans that the only house he can probably afford is on wheels. So Russell goes straight to being really rude.

Yeah, and dude, like you don't know who the fuck you're talking to. Rich people just pour all the time. What is wrong with you? Yeah. So Dean, but does not just like do this transition well. Like saving your life.

No, he's like, that's it. And anyways, Dean's like, Nope, but we're gonna do this. And I'm going to tell you about this wreck. And Russell is trying to play it off, but he does not. He rings his hands, he denies it. And then the power goes out. So Dean locates Dark Charlie pretty quickly. Interestingly,

And she's like, I just want to talk, blah, blah, blah, replace feelings, blah, blah, blah, passive aggression. It's pretty funny. Which is. Blah, blah. It's pretty funny.

But she's making fun of the Winchesters and their repressed feelings and passive aggression, which I think she nailed it. she does says that she just wants to talk to Dean, you know, while she's flipping her sword around. And he's like, Yeah, right.

And she just wants to talk to Russell too, and she just wants him to see her face and see what he did. She's, you know, here, take my knife and my blade, my little mini sword. It's fine. I deserve this, though, to get to have him look at my face. And then I'll hand him over to the cops. Dean's like, OK, hey, Dark Charlie, I believe you.

This sounds like a great idea. Yeah, I can trust you. So she goes into the office.

And immediately Russell calls her Celeste, which is super weird. And then she slams the door and locks it and locks the door.

Yep. And so but Russell is also like trying to go through like a massive apology saying that he was young and stupid, he was selfish and wrong. And he should pay and all these things. So he's tried to make his apologies.

But I did think I will give it like he was a pretty like he goes. I felt like he was like when he changed, he's like, you know, I was drunk and stupid when that happened. I can never get back. But I was sober and I was selfish and I was wrong for what I did after the fact. I that was an interesting made it made his apology. Whether you know, I it's a fucking TV show anyways, but like it made it a more valid apology in my mind as we hear. Yeah.

It

Because it wasn't like, I drunk, I'm sorry. No, he's like, yeah, I was drunk and I fucked up. But then after I knowingly did the other thing.

But he also has not done anything to fix this. So fuck.

Absolutely not. No, I just thought it was interesting in the writing.

Yeah. No, it's a very multifaceted Russell speech thing.

Yes. And, yeah. And she's like, I forgive you. And that's when she locks the door. jumped the gun on that. Sorry. She locks the door and then she stabs Russell.

Then she jumps out the window through the glass like right through the blinds and I think it would have taken you three seconds to open that window. Right? don't think that was necessary.

I don't know, those plate glass windows in an office building, those don't always open. But they're also-

And like what happens if you like- but it also doesn't mean you can run through it. it won't open, you would probably just like bounce off of it.

Right. I don't know how you break that easily. Well, good Charlie and Sam are driving and Dean calls them because he has them to know that he needs them to know that she that bad, dark. I want to call her bad Charlie. Dark Charlie got to Russell and killed him. And he's like, and they tell they tell Dean that they're on their way to Junction City to see Michael Carter, which is the alias of Clive.

Yeah, he basically tell like they tell Dean everything about him and then like Dean's on his way. But before that he's still staring like he's at the bar and he's staring at a shot and that cute bartender from before.

Yeah, and Dark Charlie shows up and says that, you you lied to yourself, you knew I was gonna do, but something's off about you and I wanna know what it is. And she's like, being dark sets you free and I know you.

Yeah, it's part of Dean is, you know, like, yeah, I he has been on the wild side on the bad side, right? So then we cut from that back to Clive's house, who says he's not Clive. They're like, you are. you're a minimum. Ta-da. And you've got a scar. That's interesting.

Bye!

Look, I've got a key to Oz. Ta-da.

Yeah, he's got a scar on his face. So, Dark Charlie is now having a drink with Dean and commenting on the hot bartender. And she calls Dean out for calling her Dark Charlie, which I think is interesting.

She's like, sound like a candy bar.

And he's like, yeah, you know, by the way, good Charlie found a man of letters and we're gonna go back to Oz and we're gonna put you back inside.

Why are you telling her all this? We're like, what? You're sharing a lot of information. I don't understand this. And then Charlie's like, I'm just going to go bang that bartender.

And Dean's like, I'm gonna do this shot. no, I'm not because Charlie didn't bang the bartender. She's snuck out.

It was a ruse, it was a trap. Was that trapped? Then she went out the back door, but then they can hear an engine rev and oh no, she has stolen baby.

rude. Slashed babies tires and stole her in one episode.

Yeah, it is like...

I know, it's a lot. A lot of things have happened here.

and rude.

So now Dean calls Sam and she's no longer Dark Charlie, but she's back to being called Dick Charlie, which is much more interesting. So Dick Charlie has taken baby, but when he told her all the information, he told her the wrong town.

Yeah, I don't think that worked real well though.

But yeah, so he thinks it does. But he'll be there as soon as he can steal a car. So maybe he had a plan when he dropped all that information.

I guess but good Charlie and Clive are talking and he tells her that this key to Oz is forged with Oz steel and can only be fixed there so and Sam's like so what happened to you man cuz he's like No, I did my report. I totally got kidnapped. It's bad people. It's fine, and they're like no you're lying and he's like look the same thing happened to me as you Know he's

understand this. Lying. How can he lie? Lying is bad. That's a good question. And Charlie points it out. And she's like, lying is bad. So I'm like, are you the bad wizard? But like, he's lying. So anyhow, so a coven of witches grabbed him and that was lucky. And so he got to hang out with a whole coven of witches. And then they unleashed his inner id.

and killed all the witches and became this power hungry wizard of Oz.

He's the wizard! my god, no! But the wizard's right next to Dorothy! no! The flying monkeys are coming out of my ass! So...

But then also, like, why would this guy go back and like could possibly die and the wizard would be dead? Like, this just seems unwise for the wizard. I'm very confused, too. I get it. I'm with you. It doesn't make sense. Anyways.

So anyways, without the key, they can't get the wizard, so they're like, but maybe we can summon him here. So instead of doing a summoning spell, he takes out a gun.

Yeah, because if he's morally wounded, I don't know, the wizard would probably come back.

Because if he hurts himself like then he dies so he has to come back to save himself

But what if he doesn't come back? mean, he could just not, like, they both died.

would die. He would die. So he's coming. He is so self-care. He's such a narcissist that he won't want to die. So when he will have to come back and save his other self.

I guess. I guess. guess. So it's like, is me and I am him. It's kind of like, this is kind of a thing that that's implied that Charlie kind of said in different words, but he says that he is me and I am him.

Yeah, they're the same person. They're just different traits that have been split apart. So yeah, well anyhow, so then a minivan pulls up and Dean gets out.

Yeah, and guess who's right behind him? Dark Charlie. Cause she probably fucking followed him.

So she's followed him. There's a gunshot. Dean won't let her near her.

Yeah, he's like, she's like, I just want to talk. No, you don't. We already learned that. And so we start we get Dean and Dark Charlie have a big fight in the park in the parking lot in the front yard. And it's weird because I don't think he's remembering that he's hurting Charlie.

don't know. It's it's not great. So that happens and there's an earthquake and then the mirror shatters green and then in comes this rogue figure in a mask and then he takes it off and then they have matching scars.

Otherwise they look nothing alike.

because he's the young version of himself.

know, just saying it didn't look like him to me. But I was like, wait, what? But yes, and he's like, you're a fool. And Sam starts to point a gun at the wizard, but the wizard like, ties him with magic green light.

green lasso. So he uses magic green lasso and he binds his hands and his feet. And then the wizard berates him for being unable to stay alive. But then we see the good Charlie is bleeding from her lip because Dean has hit her. We hit bad Charlie.

He's beating the shit out of Dark Charlie.

It's very hard to watch. It is very hard to watch. But then Bad Charlie is taunting Dean and says that he hits like a girl who has never learned to hit.

Yeah, it's, ugh. And Wizard is telling Sam that he's going to start choking him. And he says, your friend wanted to be a hero and heroes die.

And he's doing like the force choke too. He's got his hand on it, he's like, ehh, from afar.

Yep. And at the encouragement of Clive, good Charlie gets the pistol and shoots Clive in the face to kill both him and the wizard.

Yeah, after bad Charlie gets her arm broken because it's always Charlie's arm. that happens before. Yeah. So that happens before it was only when the she's with the Winchester. So, but that happens. And then yeah, she shoots him.

Yeah. and dark Charles Dean, or sorry, Sam carries good Charlie outside to Dean to end to get Dean to fucking stop beating the shit out of dark Charlie and they laid them down next to each other. And dark Charlie says to good Charlie that you killed the wizard. The magic was in you the whole time. Like she knew and wanted her to kill those are, I don't know. It's weird.

Either way, Sam puts the wizard keys onto good Charlie's stomach and dark Charlie fades away and then like goes in. She fades into light and then that goes into good.

But she doesn't fade away.

Yeah, then Sam hugs her while she sobs and it's very sad and Dean watches and looks at his knuckles and nope, I don't like this at all. It's very, very distressing.

It's really weird. So back at the bunker, Sam is on his phone saying, telling Cass that Dean's better, that he's calmed down, but they've got to get figure out what they got to find Kane or a new plan here. Charlie comes in, her face is all bruised and her broken arm is in a sling. That doesn't feel good.

And she's wearing a really cute Robin shirt.

And she's like, yeah, she's balanced with her good and bad. So that's good. And Charlie's like, yeah, I'm going to go. Sam's like, hey, I don't have a lot of leads, but I want to go check out this book that's in Tuscany. And she's like, I'll go.

nice.

And so Sam is like, Oh my god, I found this super rare book called the Book of the Damned. And it's only like available in a library in Tuscany. Or maybe it's in my fucking hands right now because this is the book that he pulls out. Oh my god. So the Book of the Damned. is this is I don't know. It's not a lore thing. I was gonna talk about this fucking book. So the Book of the Damned was written by Charles Fort.

Mark okay

It's like.

Fort's survey of the unknown was one of the first to expose modern people to visitors from space, monsters, poltergeists, and floating islands. Frogs fall from the sky, mysterious airships take flight in age before the airplane, people disappear, reappear, and spontaneously combust. This volume reintroduces the central and most influential work of Fort's career in which he pushed us to ask, what is out there? And that sounds really great, but...

This book is not written in any way that like makes any sense. Like, I mean, it's like, I mean, it makes sense, but it's like,

It's not not not like a handbook to help with their it's not.

Not like a handbook, like it literally starts off with like battalions of the accursed, captained by pallid data that I have exhumed will march. You'll read them or they'll march. Some of them livid and some of them fiery and some of them rotten. Some of them are corpses, skeletons, mummies, twitching, tottering, animated by companions that have been damned alive.

There are giants that will walk by through sound asleep. then, know, so like all that kind of language like takes up the first chapter, right? And then you're like, okay, maybe that's just like his prologue and like somewhere in this is going to make more sense. Right. So let's just go to one, a chapter three. So then it is our expression that science relates to real knowledge no more than does the growth of a plant or the organization of a department store or the development of a nation.

that all are assimilative or organizing or systemizing processes that represent different attempts to attain the positive state, the state commonly called heaven, I suppose I mean, what the fuck? What does that have to do with zombies, right? So then you have to like kind of keep going through there. And then like, you'll like start calling out like, I think it was would be like a good like bibliography.

And so then you can like, okay, well, maybe another way like I could use this would be there's an index in here. That's great. So let's see. Is there anything on Mark of Cain? No sigils. No, no, no, no frogs. Okay. What about frogs? Like, does that have anything to do anything? Then he spends like an entire chapter talking about frogs falling out of the sky. And to like, but yeah.

I don't think this book's gonna help you, Sam.

why not? There's a frog on the cover!

So that's cool.

He wrote really he was one of the first people to write about this like weird stuff. Not the first, but you know, so it was a really good book. And I guess, like I said, I think it probably would have served as a bibliography for me if I was reading this in the 1920s. But. It does not read like a manual that will say that and he did the chapters weren't titled that would also have been helpful. So that is my review of the Book of the Damned. Yeah, don't recommend.

Noted.

Go find a different book of the damned. So anyway, Charlie's gonna go check it out now

Charlie's on a wild goose chase is what you just told me.

Like she could probably go get it at Barnes and Noble.

Why wouldn't you rather go to Tuscany?

I would rather go to Tuscany, yes.

So, all right. And so she's gonna tell them that, you know, she's had enough, there's enough adventure here. She doesn't need to go back to Oz, but she's gotta keep moving forward. And she tells Dean that they're gonna get this fixed, because he's a Winchester and she forgives him.

But then he says he's really, yeah, and he's very sorry. He tells her that and he hugs her and she tells him to prove it. And the same just looks on there with his hair acting glorious.

Yeah, yeah. So she's gonna call them when she finds this book or she'll just keep digging and she leaves. So.

And then she says, instead of saying goodbye bitches, she says, Aruba Dirt Tree bitches.

every Viderechi bitches. And Dean looks very sad and Sam asks if he's good and he says no. And then we get a close up of his face for a

Yep, but he doesn't have shaking hands now. He just has like a face and very sizable eyes.

Yeah, that's our episode. Woof.

So, cast peoples.

Yeah, so for our cast today...

We've got Clive Dillon, aka Michael Carter is played by Duncan Frazier also plays Odin. He's been in episodes of MacGyver 21 Jump Street, X-Files and Supergirl. He was coach Decker in.

Once Upon a Time a couple times, I, Zombie, Wayward Pines a few times, Prison Break, Teen Wolf, Unreal a handful of times, Good Doctor, Resident Alien a couple of times, and Fire Country a few times as well. He was the coach in The Tooth Fairy, the doctor in Final Destination 5, and Clifford Blossom in Riverdale. Lots and lots of episodes of that.

Peter Harper was played by Paul McGillian and he's been in episodes of X-Files, Smallville, 24, V, Once Upon a Time, Fringe, The Flash, The Good Doctor, and Fargo. He was an English teacher in Tomorrowland, the commander in Skyscraper, and Bud on Firefly Lane as a reoccurring character. Barbara.

Cordray was played by Iris Quinn. She's been in episodes of X-Files, Supergirl, Good Doctor, and Shmigadoon. She was Mrs. Struedemeier in Slither and Mrs. Beers in Twilight Eclipse. She's also been in a lot of Hallmark. But our assistant was in episodes of The Good Doctor and Resident Alien and Charmed. was playing Paula Burroughs.

Our hot bartender was played by Nesta Cooper. She's been in episodes of Unreal, Magicians, and Fire Country. Additionally, a reoccurring character named Dahlia in Heroes Reborn. That was a reboot of the Heroes series. And Carly in...

that work out.

I have not watched it. Carly in Travelers was a reoccurring character. She was in several dozen episodes of that. And Hanina is a character she played in the TV show See. A couple dozen episodes of that as well. So she's got a couple continuing roles. So yeah, there we go.

I will say it just, you know, I was holding this thing. one of obviously Charlie's play by Felicia Day. And I did also get her book, which I'm holding up. So in one of her, she has an autobiography that I was going to get in the quiz you out of, but I didn't get that. I got her book, which was embrace your weird. And I was thinking of having us do exercises on, the, didn't think that would make for a good podcast, but then I decided to get the book because it actually sounds like a really fun way to unleash your creativity. And it's just really

So on that note, this episode, so the trope of you can be split in two, right? like I say she was like bad faith or bad willow, but really it was also what happened when Xander was split in two when he got hit with a stick and said there was evil Xander. But it's been done in Buffy a couple of ways and been done in other shows too. So it is a trope.

And you know, obviously I love Charlie and I'm always glad that she's back. But from an even just a philosophical standpoint of the idea that as a human being that we are made up of good and bad that could be split into that those traits like of a person could be broken in half like that, which is just I think it's it's an impossible. I mean, obviously, you know, it's TV. But I mean, like you just.

how would that even work? I don't think those are things that can actually split across. It can be if you're going on this very like, we are all these archetypes and part of our traits and stuff can go, you can maybe have different traits. I can see that, but good and bad being morality split, don't think work.

No, I think people are not that binary in any way, or form, in most ways, maybe in some ways, there's certain things. But I think that it reduces the actual nuance and gray area that exists in most people and most issues and most things in life. Most things aren't black and white.

evil right like evil has like good things that are like and they're

And one doesn't exist without the other.

consequences. And like there's all sorts of stuff, right. And so as a trope, I understand it. And I think it's an interesting plot device. But at the same time, it is as a human being, I think obviously this magic wouldn't work in real life. Human beings are too complex for this. But it just but

Well, the show is trying to convince you of it make you buy into the humanity of a character but also doing something that a human can do like that. I think that makes it hard when you're trying to buy into Charlie is a good character with nuance to her because she does illegal things that she feels that are justified. You know what I mean before? But then now she's divided her 50-50 into her revenge side and her good side and this side doesn't drink and this side does drink. That's a weird, I don't know, the dynamic is weird.

It's a weird thing. then like, it's just the more, to me, it's also the morality implications, right? What makes somebody good, what makes somebody evil, which is, know, we're also seeing this reflection of, you know, Dean Mon and, you know, all of the badness that goes into the cane, Mark of Cain. So we are seeing that this is obviously meant to be a reflection of bad Dean, duh. But I also just don't like watching Dean beat up Charlie. I think-

The implications are odd.

setting and whole episode's because there's no, well, there's no resolution in this episode. And that's what's fucking Bombersville. It's like, oh, Charlie's family's still dead. And now she's just murdered this other guy, which doesn't, which might seem like it's justified, he may have deserved it, but that doesn't make it right that it went down this way. And it's like this whole, it's just nothing. No, it's all gross. It's called

They would have justified that. Cold-blooded murder.

Like, right, even if he's a dick and never got punished and all that, but he is sitting there apologizing and stabbing him isn't really like, un-fucking anything. Well, and I also- And now Charlie's gonna be wanted by the police and now it's more complicated.

also don't buy the Dean would have hit her. Like no matter like how bad the marker or how like, I also don't think I think he would have seen like I don't think like no she didn't do anything to like really provoke like that fight right and I don't see even with the mark of Kane him like being able to go past his sisterhood love for Charlie to hit her. I like I don't buy it.

I mean, I definitely think that I could see him potentially using physical force to restrain her, but maybe not to beat her like that.

Yeah, and like at least like feeling bad about it at first, right? Like there's no like, and he never has it.

He's like glazed gone.

like, give me like the green light to go ahead and start hitting you. But he knows this is hurting. Like, how I just don't buy it. I don't know. So I look at it just makes me uncomfortable and a lot of a lot of ways which I know it's supposed to. So good on y'all for making me feel gross. If that's what your goal was. I feel gross about this that I have like I feel so bad for Dean Winchester like but I also don't you know like

So, black. This episode is a bummer.

That's about it. I like it.

But I'm glad Felicia Day was there, but I want to see her not hurt. No, like you're not have a broken arm. I would like to like, not get punched in the face. did enjoy watching her kick Dean in the face again. That was funny. You can watch that a couple of times. I also feel like that was like one of the first like stage white moves I learned. I remember that was my favorite stage, someone in the face. It's a really easy one.

getting punched in the face.

because they can just have their hands there and it was like, pfft, you break them.

Not as much fun as real combat, but. All right. I think anything else? Don't punch Charlie in the face, Dean. All right.

Nope.

Cheers, bitch.

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