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https://youtu.be/QYMC6nnuHdY

In this thought-provoking debate, I sit down with John E. Herbst (former US Ambassador to Ukraine, and head of the Eurasia Center at the Atlantic Council) and political theorist + Neoreactionary godfather Curtis Yarvin to clash over the trajectory of U.S. support for Ukraine, American foreign policy, and global hegemony.

This deep-dive discussion tackles some of the most contentious geopolitical questions of our time: Is the conflict in Ukraine a vital defense of the liberal international order, or an overextension of American empire? What are the broader risks regarding Russia, China, and global security? Watch as two distinct perspectives collide over history, statecraft, and national interest.

Curtis Yarvin

https://x.com/curtis_yarvin

https://graymirror.substack.com/

John Herbst

https://x.com/JohnEdHerbst

Lev Polyakov (Host & Editor / Animator)

https://twitter.com/Levpo

https://levpo.substack.com/

http://youtube.com/levpolyakov

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Chapters:

00:00 Opening

01:21 Intro

03:17 Red Line & Force Deterence

08:48 America's National Security Policy

11:57 Why should Ukraine fight

17:04 Old Right View Discredited?

17:41 What Russian Occupation means

21:36 Russia Today

23:01 Western Imperialism

26:57 Russia's intent & NATO enlargement

31:36 Useful Idiots for Russia

35:02 Axis Powers VS the International Order

52:24 What if Russia keeps going