On today's episode of Way Too Interested, screenwriter and "The Black Tapes" creator Paul Bae talks with Gavin Purcell about his obsession, fly fishing. Paul also talks about his circuitous path to being the creator of a hit podcast, why his grandmother flew into a rage upon being told that he had become a comedian ... and the time his stand-up comedy nearly went down in flames in front of some of his idols.

Then, Paul and Gavin are joined by James Madison University professor emeritus Stan Ulanski, the author of several books including "The Science of Fly-Fishing." Stan talks about how one should start fly fishing, how to improve at it, and where he would go if he were given an all-expenses paid fishing trip to anywhere in the world. Plus: Paul tells the story of a solo fishing trip that made him fall in love with Redding, California.

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Read Stan's books, including The Science of Fly-Fishing