Laura and Xhafer revisit everyone's favorite other Battlestar, for real this time. Laura has some knifeplay etiquette suggestions. Xhafer has some notes for Admiral Cain's rhetorical technique. This episode covers the extended cut of Battlestar Galactica: Razor.

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Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two former strangers

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now friends who are currently rewatching

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Well, not a rewatch.

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It's a rewatch for me.

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It's not a rewatch for you.

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Anyways,

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Laura: is fine.

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I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and we've got Razor today.

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Laura: Yeah,

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we sure do.

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Xhafer: you don't sound

like you enjoyed this.

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Laura: That's,

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that's not it.

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I think this is great.

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Lo Yes, but kind of

don't like Admiral Kane.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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It was one thing when like, oh, we

heard these rumors that she did this

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terrible shit, and you're just like,

well, she doesn't seem that bad, but like

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maybe she's kind of got a mean streak.

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Laura: Yeah, like, like sometimes when

someone's a real hard ass, you get

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all kinds of stuff like hyperbole.

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Xhafer: It's like, whoa,

that's That's pretty crazy.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then you watch it.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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And it goes from like, man, that was like

some underplayed scuttlebutt because it's

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not just like, Kain is just someone who

was like stuck with these circumstances.

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Like they even paint it like that at

the end where it's all like, oh, maybe

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Kane's a redeemable figure in the end.

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History will tell.

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And it's all like, we

saw some heinous shit.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yelp.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: This isn't one that leaves you

with like good feelings walking away.

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I do have more like wacky thoughts.

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Those are fun walking away.

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But like, I think we turned it off

and I turned to Erin and I was like.

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I don't like Admiral Kane, like

she's an interesting character.

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They did get a great actress, but

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Xhafer: Yeah, yeah,

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Laura: nah,

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Xhafer: fantastic.

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Laura: just the worst.

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Xhafer: yeah, not the worst character in

the show in terms of doing heinous shit.

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Laura: Oh no.

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Like we all know that how I

feel about a one guy as Baltar.

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So,

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Xhafer: He's not the worst,

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Laura: interesting, interesting.

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Xhafer: uh, Who, who I feel is the worst,

hasn't done the really bad shit yet.

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So,

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Laura: Yeah.

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TBD

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Xhafer: Um,

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Laura: it's gada, isn't it?

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I'm just joking,

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Xhafer: gada I mean, he, he

does have all those tattoos, so.

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Laura: right?

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Mm-hmm.

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Canonically.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Canonically.

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all right, well, we open up with some

flashbacks to the Pegasus arc in general.

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Uh, We get all four of its commanders

after rejoining the Flotilla.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I guess there were four, weren't there?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Bad luck streak

there for a bit, Pegasus.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It was two in two weeks or something.

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It's bad.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Yep.

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But we're also gonna get some lady

that we never saw that whole time.

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Xhafer: yeah,

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it was totally, totally this

lady there the whole time.

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They do do a good job of

like kind of waving her away.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah.

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'cause we, when we are establishing

everything we do say like, she

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was Kane's right hand, but then.

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Did not get along with the two incompetent

men that followed and got like busted

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back to the kitchen peeling potatoes.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: So yeah, girl, I get it.

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I don't like to be subject to the

rule of incompetent men either.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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And she calls it like that too.

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Exactly.

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But uh, we'll get to that.

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Laura: Yeah, yeah.

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Xhafer: We open on Lee, taking

command of the Pegasus, and we quickly

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cut to Shaw, and this is our first

Aussie accent in BSG, which is fun.

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Laura: Oh yeah.

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I guess it is.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We've had uh, well, I mean, Deanna has

Lucy Lawless', native New Zealand accent.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: so we've had.

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That area of the world before, but this

is the first straight Aussie accent.

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Laura: And uh, have we put

the, has the theme come up yet?

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'cause it does put us in our,

like survivor count point in time.

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They do give us, like, where we

were at in the survivor count.

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Xhafer: yes.

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Yeah.

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We've got our survivor count.

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This is, God, I didn't write

it down, but I looked it up.

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It's in between two episodes

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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It's, the survivor count is 49,579.

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But yeah.

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And so where I placed this in time,

and you can correct me if I'm wrong,

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was, you know, Pegasus has joined, but

we have not yet gone back to Caprica.

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We do not have Anders and folk yet.

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Xhafer: no.

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Let's see in between the captain's

hand and lay down your burdens.

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Laura: Okay.

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I don't really remember

episodes by their names, so

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I think lay down your

burdens was not fun though.

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Xhafer: It would be during downloaded.

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Laura: Mm.

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That's fun.

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Xhafer: That's actually

like very coincidental.

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So downloaded is the silent episode from

the second half of season two, where we

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get everything on CAPA that's going on.

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This matters exactly to just me,

but as I've stated on the show

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before I do my handwritten notes.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Do my notebooks, I'm picky

about 'em, et cetera, et cetera.

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Razor is the last thing

to go in this notebook.

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Like I finished this notebook,

the first thing in this notebook.

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I'm not making it up.

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Battlestar Galactica, season

two, episode 18 downloaded.

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Laura: Beautiful.

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That's so beautiful.

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I love that for you.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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That tickles a part of my brain

that appreciates the attention.

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So it makes sense.

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This is right there.

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Yeah.

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So we're, we've got Shaw for a minute.

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She does drugs.

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You can tell from the

camera work and the needles.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: After a bad trip, she goes to see

Lee who hits her with our old cold open.

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Laura: It's the question

he said the thing.

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Xhafer: said the thing, memories.

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I missed that.

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Drop.

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Aaron.

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Aaron.

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Play it again.

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Just play it again.

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Old time sake.

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Fuck it.

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Laura: She's gotta, she's gotta own

up to some bad behavior with Lee.

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But we're not gonna talk

about the drugs just yet.

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That's not totally known.

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Do we think this is stems?

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Do we think that's what this is?

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It's

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Xhafer: It's something

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Laura: pretty vague.

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Xhafer: we just see like stems.

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I feel like if you can fly a ship

and do stems, it does not feel

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like she is in flying a ship mode.

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It seems like she's like really

out of it and doing stuff.

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So

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I don't think this

would be stems per se.

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Even like, I mean, star BE'S had a

thing with stems and later in the

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episode, star be's like, Hey, I

don't care what you're injecting.

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Can I get ahead of that?

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Uh, I feel like she would

know if it was stems.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: I think they're pills anyways and

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Laura: Oh, yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if they've

been that specific.

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Xhafer: they're talking

about stems sometimes.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: I don't know.

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I'm not capric street smart.

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I, I don't know what a, what

a pack of DIMS goes for.

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So.

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Laura: Now, I'm wondering, throughout

this movie, did they give us an idea

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of when this started or is it just

something that we know she does?

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: So the, the story is

told with like a very wey in,

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out kind of like timeline.

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And there's times where she's like

in the kitchen with the drugs in

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uniform where that might be flashback

and it might be present day.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Can't

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Xhafer: No idea.

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Yeah.

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So maybe,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Sometimes times you leave things

up to your audience, right?

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Xhafer: yeah, I think it's implied

based off the fact that whenever she

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does this, she has visions of the skilla.

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Whenever we see her do this I

think it's safe to say that it

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probably started around then.

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We cut back to Caprica.

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This is 10 months from where we

are now, which is like three years

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ago or whatever in the storyline

two years ago, whatever it is.

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Laura: yeah,

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so joining Pegasus joining we are

now aware is about 10 months from.

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The the genocide Day because we are told

pretty quickly that this is very, very

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close to that because in this 10 months

ago, Shaw is getting her appointment

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to Pegasus, which is in the dry dock,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: but we find out Shaw's mom

was a member of the Quorum of 12,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: and it seems like that's

why Shaw is getting this placement.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It seems like there might

be a little of the nepo.

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Laura: Yeah.

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The society really likes it.

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Xhafer: Yeah, they do

really like their nepo.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: let's see, we

see Kane on a treadmill.

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Has her exo a new face checks

in to encourage vacation.

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Laura: Uhhuh, he invites her

to come visit his family.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It's like my wife and kids miss you.

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Laura: Yeah.

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This is what makes what happens later.

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So especially monstrous because

like they have a relationship.

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Her exo seems like a healthy person

who is like, yeah, we, we all gotta

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get off the treadmill sometimes.

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Like, come hit the beach with me

and the family, you know, let's

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leave this ship for a little bit

'cause it's gonna be stuck here.

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no big deal.

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But we see in just a moment why she

cannot get off the treadmill ever.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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as we cut back and follow Shaw some

more, she runs into Gina, which

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is our number six that blew up

the nuke on cloud nine and stuff.

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Laura: She's a network engineer.

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I heard her say

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Xhafer: yeah.

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yeah.

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She works with computers, huh?

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Laura: Huh?

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Xhafer: God.

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She has the best.

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Moment in this entire movie.

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We'll talk about it when we get

there, but there's a little scene

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with her that I fucking love.

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Laura: This even is very interesting

because like as SHA is like going through

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the ship and runs into Gina, Gina says her

name is Gina Envy, or something like that.

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And uh, SHA has was a classics

major and clocks that as old

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Gemini for the word resurrection.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: Like we'd be subtle cylons.

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Good job.

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Laura: Huh.

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Xhafer: I mean, they'd have no way of

knowing, but as an audience we can laugh.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Uh,

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She's late.

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She's trying to find where CIC is

and she's having a hell of a time.

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Gina helps and gets her there

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Laura: Kane is a giant asshole to her.

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When she gets there,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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It's rough.

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Laura: she's like, Hey,

did you enjoy your coffee?

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And Shaw's like, what?

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What a coffee.

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She's like, well, you must

have stopped for coffee.

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'cause there's no way my

new aid is gonna be late.

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Right.

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gonna get lost on the ship, right?

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Oh, she like laughs about this with

the XO too and be all like, oh, ha

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ha, you know, we rib the new one.

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Ha ha.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: And then uh, she has Mr.

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Hoshi, take her to her quarters, show

her around a little bit, and this is

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when the initial silent attack is.

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There's a giant explosion.

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Kane wakes up Shaw tries to wake

up Hoshi, but he's out cold.

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And then we get this cut to all of

these battle stars just blowing up as

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the silences ambushed the shipyards.

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Laura: Yeah, they put some money

into that 'cause it looks very good.

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Xhafer: It's a big wolf, 3, 5, 9 vibes,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: For the Star Trek among you.

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Laura: The shipyards are just like

crawling with little Raider ships.

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Yeah.

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And it's just amazing work.

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Xhafer: yeah,

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Laura: We find out

quickly that Pegasus has.

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Only power.

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No dradis, almost everything's offline.

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Even FTL, we gotta fix FTL real quick.

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And Kain seals off the air locks

and has them do a jump without

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calculating where they're going.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Now she's just like, they're like,

but we could jump into a sun.

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And

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Laura: Uhhuh,

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Xhafer: they're like, there's

two nukes that are like seconds

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from them when they do this.

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It would be so easy to just be

all like, we're dead either way.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: way we've got a chance.

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Laura: that's exactly, I, I was

like, I don't actually have a

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problem with this call because it's

like certain death, possible death.

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I will choose possible.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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But Kane doesn't say it.

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And that says a lot about her character.

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I think because it's, it's obvious

to us, you know, the audience.

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It, it's not a piece of dialogue

that needs to exist for the audience.

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The audience knows what's going on.

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They understand this decision, but

it's something that the crew clearly

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doesn't because they're questioning it.

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So she could answer that,

but she chooses not to.

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Laura: yeah,

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Xhafer: and that says a lot about

Kane because she doesn't, you don't

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question Kane as is reinforced many,

many times throughout this movie.

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Um, questioning her is a bad idea.

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And this is just.

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The start of that and how much worse

it gets, it gets from her ignoring

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these complaints to significantly

more when she's questioned.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And you know, I think that

if these underlings, these

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crew members were given time.

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Quickly come to this conclusion as well.

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But I think everybody's like in

shock, traumatized, confused.

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And if they were doing all the mental

math, they would be like, yeah, certain

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death, possible death take possible.

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But she, she doesn't have time to like

get anybody up to speed up to her level.

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Just do it.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Um.

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So we cut back to the present day.

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Lee calls in Shaw to make her

the XO to carry on Kane's legacy

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for the sake of the crew morale.

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Laura: Yeah.

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She tells Lee, oh no, I didn't

like Fisk and Garner 'cause

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they didn't deserve my respect.

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And Lee knows that.

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Like, he also knows that they did

not deserve anybody's respect.

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He, he like.

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Watched Garner fuck everything up and he

knew all about Fisk in the black market.

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So he's fine with that opinion.

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And she does like, you're,

you're here because nepotism,

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which actually

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: kind of sounds like the

pot and the kettle a little bit.

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'cause we just found out

all that other stuff.

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But he's like, well, you're respected.

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You are part of the old establishment

and we need to turn this thing

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around, so help me do it.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And not a bad plan

actually, as far as Lee plans go.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Lee plans are usually a

lot rougher than this.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Adama sends Lee out on a search

and rescue mission to find some scientists

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who are studying a supernova and a Raptor.

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Why do we never hear about this Star Trek?

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Shit,

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Laura: Yeah, it was like,

that's a very star trek of them.

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The world is over and gone, but

there's a cool supernova over here.

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Can we go look at that?

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Xhafer: we just want to go check it out.

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We might learn some things.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I mean, what better time to know

things than when like, everything

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is fallen apart around you?

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You should always try to know things.

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I'm, I'm happy for them.

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I'm glad they're still doing this.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We flashed back to the night

after, right after the genocide.

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Pegasus has lost a quarter of its

crew 750 some, which puts a full

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compliment at 3000, and the current

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make it to Galactica with 1752.

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So we know right off the bat that

500 more of these people are dying.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: reaffirm Yes, listener.

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I remember doing that exact math during

this scene when this originally aired.

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Laura: Yeah.

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So I'm amazed that there were 2200 of them

that were on the ship and dry dock and

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Xhafer: Right?

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That seems crazy to me.

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Laura: yeah, I mean, maybe

they had just arrived for it.

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So I mean, if we're just talking about,

Hey, let's go take a vacation to the.

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Captain, maybe you really have

just arrived and you got, you

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get lucky that not everyone

is already dispersed, but wow.

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Xhafer: This seems like a good

time to bring up Kane's knife.

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We haven't talked about that yet.

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Laura: Oh yeah.

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We've, we totally glossed over the

opening sequence where someone is

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like dragging a knife across their

skin and their arms and being weird.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Someone's really into knife play in a

way that made me very uncomfortable.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Not into that.

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Xhafer: not yucking into Yums

listener, just, I don't wanna see it.

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Laura: Well, and try not

to dramatically monologue.

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Xhafer: if you're going to be in knife

play into knife play, we do ask Exactly.

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Correct.

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Laura, that you uh, not dramatically

monologue while you do it.

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Unless that very specific

thing is your thing.

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In which case, once again, I'm not

gonna yuck your yums, but I don't want

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Laura: Go with God.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: Best of luck.

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Therapy is great.

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I just have a feeling.

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Laura: yeah.

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Kane Kane's, like in this scene where

they're getting the rundown on like

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how many people are gone, she's like

scraping the glass table with the

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knife, scraping the blood off the table.

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Did you notice that?

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Xhafer: yeah.

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She does this.

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Shaw does this.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: This is a reoccurring thing.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: The, the epitome uh, razor,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: As it were,

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Laura: Is it actually like a

straight razor or is this just a

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Xhafer: it's a knife.

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It's

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Laura: That's what I thought.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And I do have another question

about Razor because I thought that

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that razors were like a, a term,

like a military term in this show.

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I don't know where I got this idea.

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thought it was like a term for like

specialized marines or something.

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Xhafer: Oh, I

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Laura: Did I make that up?

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Xhafer: Yeah, I don't remember that.

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Laura: Okay.

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Because I was, I was waiting for

that to hit and it never did.

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So, okay.

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I just made something up.

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But hey friends, if you're writing

your, your science fiction novel, you

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wanna throw in some razors for me,

specialized space, marine razors, maybe.

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Xhafer: Is this our version of

getting blown out the airlock?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You need a razor.

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You need you gotta have male

and female razors, and you need

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one who has like this hair.

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That's what I need.

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Let me know.

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Send me your fanfic.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We want to be heinous marines.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: That's, that's the goal.

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Um, cool.

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Uh, Kane gives a speech

and it ends in Thank you.

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You fucking nerd.

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Never end a speech and thank you.

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Laura: A kain is a speech and thank you.

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I guess I didn't clock that

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Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

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At the end of that speech, before

everyone starts chanting, so say

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we all, she's just like, thank you.

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And then hangs up the phone and

it's just like, you fucking geek.

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I say that as someone

who's laed for a decade.

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Like, you nerd.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Yeah.

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But it's the only time she's ever gonna

express like any sort of gratitude, so

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Xhafer: the truth?

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Laura: yeah.

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So Shaw has figured out the back

door problem the navigation program,

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Xhafer: I want to talk

about something else

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Laura: oh, okay.

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Xhafer: So at the end of that

speech, after she says thank

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you, the crew starts chanting.

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So say we.

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All

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right.

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Everyone's getting really into this.

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So say we all, it's fun.

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It mimics Adam Dama speech that was

probably given around a similar timeframe.

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Within maybe a day or

two, we're not quite sure.

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It's fine.

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Um, but, you know, Adamawa gives that

big speech about how they're gonna

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do and find Earth and all this stuff.

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And Kane's big speech is, Hey,

revenge, we're gonna fucking get 'em.

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You know, it's, it's, it does that

dichotomy and then shows them the people

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rallying with the, so we all, the scene

I mentioned earlier with Gina is right

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here, and I don't know if you clocked

this, but there's a big group of people

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saying, so say we all, and she like very

awkwardly starts like, what's the words?

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Like, what are we doing?

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Like, I've never heard this before.

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Laura: Yes.

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She's very, she's a little like

confused and unconvincing and just like

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Xhafer: So we all say,

so we all say, right.

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Trying to jump in.

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Hilarious.

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Loved that.

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Laura: loved it.

518

It was a really good touch.

519

Okay.

520

Now that you say that's your

favorite scene with Gina

521

in here, I'm like, oh, yes.

522

That is very good.

523

Xhafer: yeah.

524

I mean, everything else is terrible.

525

Um,

526

Laura: Yeah,

527

Xhafer: she does not have

a good time in this movie.

528

uh, we have a quick dinner in Admiral

Kane's quarters after this where

529

Kane and Gina have a little kiss.

530

Laura: Yeah.

531

Xhafer: Yeah.

532

Laura: And I went, oh

533

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

534

Yep.

535

Laura: yeah.

536

Xhafer: and then they talk about

how they're picking their first

537

target, and they, she says that

Gina picked the first target.

538

Laura: Yeah.

539

Xhafer: Yeah.

540

Mm.

541

Uh

542

Laura: Mm-hmm.

543

At least Shaw like prevented them from

installing the navigation program.

544

That was like the whole big problem.

545

But how did, how did

Gina find this target,

546

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

547

Huh?

548

Laura: huh?

549

Xhafer: We cut to Shaw and Gina

like rolling back the last software

550

patch or whatever, and Shaw

gives her clearance code to Gina.

551

Laura: Yeah.

552

Shaw has totally clocked them and

Gina's like, yeah, we met a few

553

weeks ago at the plans, and it's

just been amazing ever since.

554

And Shaw's just like, well,

okay, this is her girlfriend.

555

I'll just give her my code.

556

It's fine.

557

Like,

558

Xhafer: She's gonna get it anyways.

559

So

560

Laura: yeah.

561

Bad call.

562

Xhafer: bad call.

563

Laura: share passwords.

564

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

565

In the present, DRE contact hits

and they are different Raiders.

566

We recognize them from the Raider

episodes as original war Raiders

567

from our episode last week.

568

Laura: Mm-hmm.

569

Xhafer: One pins down star bes in

the hanger pod after she hits it.

570

Laura: Yes.

571

Dramatic and also weird.

572

They look weird.

573

Xhafer: Yeah.

574

Laura: We get to really

see it upside down.

575

Xhafer: Pegasus jumps back to

the fleet Star BES is pissed at

576

Shaw, and then we cut to Pegasus

first attack on a silent target.

577

It's clearly a trap.

578

The Exo says, so he like asides and it's

like, Hey, Ahab, maybe this is a bad idea.

579

Laura: Yeah.

580

Xhafer: So she shoots him?

581

Laura: This is very jarring after

the dinner scene, because in the

582

dinner scene, Cain says, in a very

reasonable way, very measured way.

583

I'm not out here to lose resources

or go on a crazy revenge quest.

584

She says those words

585

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

586

Laura: and it seems very believable.

587

And she's like, we just,

we need to know more.

588

We need to try something.

589

We need to do something, but

I, I don't want us to lose

590

any people or any material.

591

Xhafer: Yeah.

592

Laura: And then all of

a sudden she's doing it.

593

She's doing the

594

Xhafer: overcommitting.

595

Resources

596

Laura: and there's no, like,

597

there's no.

598

Motivation for, there's no like

scene where maybe she talks to Gina

599

and Gina convinces her or something.

600

She just changes her mind and

601

Xhafer: I

602

Laura: it's not clear why

603

Xhafer: I mean, it's because

she's the razor right now.

604

She's, you know, she gives the speech

later in the, in the movie where it's all

605

like, you need to set aside your doubt,

set aside any reasoning, set aside any

606

human emotion, and you become the razor.

607

Right.

608

And that is what she has done here.

609

She has set

610

Laura: dumb as fuck.

611

Xhafer: reason.

612

Agreed.

613

Agreed.

614

A hundred percent.

615

that's the problem with this logic.

616

Laura: the reasoned approach and

speech at dinner was correct.

617

This behavior now not correct.

618

And this man that she seems to have

worked with for a while and close to

619

his wife and children just shoots him.

620

'cause he tries to say, I

don't think we should do this.

621

Xhafer: With his own gun,

622

Laura: Yep.

623

Xhafer: just like gimme your

sidearm, just pops him Just crazy.

624

We see like the blood splatter on the,

like Star Wars glass that's not screens.

625

The effing base stuff that they've gotten.

626

CIC here for some reason, but

not on any of the other ships.

627

Laura: Yeah.

628

Horrible.

629

Xhafer: Viscus, promoted Piet style.

630

Kane continues the attack.

631

She sends Shaw down to stop

them from venting them all.

632

Into space which was a thing that

was referenced in the original

633

Battle Star when the one episode

with the silent boarding and stuff.

634

That's like the thing they tried to do,

635

Laura: Yeah.

636

Mm-hmm.

637

Xhafer: when she sees Gina

and then shortly after

638

another six with the silence.

639

Laura: Oh yeah.

640

She sees Gina and is like, oh, go to CIC.

641

It's safe there.

642

And then, oh, there's a

643

Xhafer: the corner, sees a

six and just like the fuck,

644

Laura: Yep.

645

Xhafer: and then runs back to

CIC and arrests Gina, after Hoshi

646

pulls up the CC feed, who stops the

silence from venting the ship here?

647

Laura: Oh, good point.

648

Yeah.

649

Xhafer: Oh

650

Laura: Yeah.

651

Somebody still needed to do that.

652

Xhafer: yeah.

653

Laura: Hopefully they also

radioed some teams or something.

654

Some Marines got them

where they were going.

655

Xhafer: I think you could have made this

interesting by having her still have to

656

go and do that and like really wanting

to communicate, knowing she just sent a

657

lon up to CIC and just being all like,

oh God, I hope they're all dead, but if I

658

don't do this, we're definitely all dead.

659

And like, you could really play up the

drama real thick there, and then when she

660

gets up there, it's just like, it's fine.

661

Laura: Yeah, it's fine.

662

But you know, it's not fine because fuck.

663

Xhafer: Yeah.

664

Laura: Gina does like, take a bunch

of people out when Sha exposes her.

665

Like she just like cracks

the neck of somebody who's

666

trying to arrest her, I think.

667

Xhafer: She, she kills I think

two people in CIC real quick

668

and then has a gun on Kane.

669

And does not pull the trigger.

670

Cannot pull the trigger.

671

Laura: Yeah.

672

I do remember back when we were

watching the show Proper Admiral

673

Cain saying like, that thing killed.

674

Seven of my people or something.

675

Xhafer: Yeah,

676

Laura: the word thing, carrying even

more weight than you know there.

677

Xhafer: I had forgotten that this

relationship only existed in this movie

678

Laura: Yeah.

679

Xhafer: and was waiting for it to come up

during the show, and then it never did.

680

Laura: Yeah.

681

Mm-hmm.

682

I, kind of like it dramatically

here in this movie.

683

if you don't watch the movies though,

you're, you're really missing a layer.

684

Xhafer: Yeah.

685

Well, I mean, this one was

always meant to be, like, this

686

one aired on TV as two episodes.

687

Laura: that's true.

688

That's true.

689

Yeah.

690

Xhafer: this was just like, Hey, we've

got sci-fi is like, we got extra budget.

691

We're doing well with DVDs right now.

692

You've, here's money.

693

Go make a movie.

694

And it's all like, and I remember I was

reading in the uh, the making of book,

695

that's all like, well, they gave us this

much for the thing and it helped us pay

696

for more episodes in season four that we

were having trouble with our budget on.

697

So that was cool.

698

And it's just like, aha.

699

Laura: Mm-hmm.

700

It's a, it's a good narrative storyline.

701

Uh,

702

Xhafer: Yeah.

703

Mm-hmm.

704

Laura: I do think it makes

things more interesting.

705

Xhafer: Back to the present.

706

And Shaw and Star Bees are

steering each other down.

707

When the old school Raider is

brought in complete with a classic

708

Centurion hanging out of it.

709

Laura: Yeah.

710

Xhafer: And this is where Adamek,

no, I was there when these old cys

711

were doing the thing and then we get

a like 12 minute flashback sequence.

712

'cause we're watching the extended cut

that is just most of the razor episodes.

713

So we're just gonna skip the fuck over it.

714

Go listen to that last if you didn't,

715

and you'll hear about this

10 minutes along with a bunch

716

of other fun conversation.

717

Laura: Yes.

718

I loved, I was like, God, more

episodes need to come with like

719

some web episodes beforehand that

are then embedded in the episode.

720

'cause I got to like, take

a little break from writing.

721

Xhafer: I actually just fast forwarded

'cause I was trying to finish before

722

I went to go record last time on, so.

723

Laura: No, I just took a

little break and I watched it.

724

I did feel like maybe from the version

of the web episodes that I watched

725

that maybe those had been trimmed a

little for some of the graphicness.

726

Of the scenes 'cause it

did feel more graphic.

727

So,

728

Xhafer: I mean, the quality I watched

was definitely better in the movie then

729

Laura: oh, totes?

730

Totes.

731

I don't know if it was just

like because mine was like AI

732

upscaled, which makes things look

733

better, but not better.

734

Xhafer: Yeah.

735

Laura: And uh, yeah, I was a little

grossed out by some of the birdy parts.

736

Xhafer: Yeah.

737

Laura: But yeah, we cut, if we

cut that, then we go to Rosalyn

738

talking about how this hybrid that

we think these old centurions are

739

guarding has captured their people.

740

The scientists that were out

just doing supernova shit.

741

Adama wants to go with the Pegasus to find

this hybrid 'cause he is big in PTSD land.

742

He's gotta know what is happening here.

743

and Lee's like, okay, I am

gonna have the XO drop a plan

744

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

745

Laura: to get out there.

746

but Rosalyn is not, not into that.

747

Not happy with the xo.

748

Xhafer: no, no.

749

She's concerned there.

750

She's uh, heard rumors of

what happened on the skilla.

751

And it's just like you have to

find out what's going on there.

752

Laura: And Shaw, when Lee confronts

her, admits that she was there

753

Xhafer: yeah.

754

Laura: and offers to resign,

but she doesn't say exactly what

755

Xhafer: Yeah.

756

She's just like, I was

there, so I'm complicit.

757

Laura: Mm-hmm.

758

Xhafer: Just like that.

759

The fact that I was there is enough

when it doesn't go into details.

760

Laura: Yeah.

761

But Lee's basically like too bad we

don't get to resign our commissions

762

'cause we feel bad about stuff anymore.

763

Xhafer: Yeah.

764

Laura: Like our penance is to keep doing

so you're gonna have to keep doing.

765

Xhafer: Yep.

766

Yeah.

767

Let me tell you about a certain ship

in the fleet that is no longer with us.

768

Laura: Mm-hmm.

769

Xhafer: Lee has Fifis.

770

Kain or in a flashback tells

thorn to be a sociopath.

771

And he obliges, this is the guy he's going

to interrogate Gina and also is the guy

772

that they sent over to interrogate Athena.

773

In Battlestar.

774

This is the guy that

gets killed by, um, he

775

Laura: Or Hilo.

776

Xhafer: Helo and the chief.

777

Laura: Yeah.

778

They're they're both there.

779

I don't remember who actually

780

Xhafer: Well, I mean it's an, it's

kind of an accidental thing 'cause

781

he like hits his hat on some rebar

that was sticking out or something.

782

I don't remember.

783

Like a very poorly placed bolt.

784

Laura: Yeah.

785

Yeah, yeah.

786

Specifically Kane uses the words that she

authorizes degradation, fear, and shame.

787

Xhafer: The

788

Laura: Yeah.

789

I, I wondered, does Kane do that?

790

If she hadn't had a romantic

relationship with Gina?

791

Xhafer: a hundred?

792

I would say a hundred percent.

793

No.

794

I don't think she does specifically

because she's like, she, she has

795

a line in here that's all, like,

they've clearly gotten good at using

796

human mimicking, human emotions.

797

What?

798

See if that's also a weakness.

799

Laura: Yeah.

800

Xhafer: Like they, if they think they

can feel things, let's see if they can,

801

Laura: Feel all the bad things.

802

Xhafer: yeah.

803

And then like, it's just like, oh fuck.

804

And so like, it's like it's, it's, I

mean, I obviously it's fucking terrible.

805

Laura: Mm-hmm.

806

Xhafer: But the like layer of

extra terribleness is like.

807

I am acknowledging your, not humanity's

not quite the right word, but your

808

sentience and your emotional capabilities.

809

And because of that, because I

acknowledge that, I see this in you,

810

we're going to use it against you

811

Laura: Yeah.

812

Yeah.

813

Also, because you hurt my

fifis, because you lied to me.

814

Xhafer: Yeah.

815

Yep.

816

Kane continues her

dissent into madness here.

817

She orders the stripping of civilian

ships for any worthwhile resources.

818

People

819

Laura: yeah.

820

Xhafer: or mechanical.

821

Laura: Yeah.

822

Fisk was like re reporting to her and

he is like, Hey, we, we found 15 ships.

823

We're not alone.

824

There's other people out here.

825

There's, there's a whole fleet of

these guys and this can, does not care.

826

She's

827

like, all right.

828

Strip 'em.

829

Xhafer: Take their FTL drives.

830

We might need them.

831

Laura: Take their FTL drives.

832

Take as we saw in the series,

there's a, a very useful engineer

833

Xhafer: layered.

834

Yeah.

835

we see him refuse and we cut over

to Gina, who has been visibly

836

assaulted and Kane orders them to

kill the family of anyone who doesn't

837

comply with the transfer orders.

838

Laura: Yeah, because my feelings

are hurt and I have to punish the,

839

Xhafer: yep.

840

And then we see the murder

of a bunch of civilians.

841

And at this moment, I sure am glad I live

in a normal country right now where we

842

don't have any members of any military

or military adjacent organization

843

just killing fucking civilians.

844

Fuck.

845

Laura: yeah.

846

Hmm.

847

I don't have any jokes.

848

Xhafer: Yeah.

849

There's no jokes.

850

There's nothing funny.

851

Yeah,

852

Laura: We live in hell.

853

Well, I'm sure there are worse

hells, but this is a hell.

854

Xhafer: yeah, yeah, yeah.

855

Laura: Fisk is like carrying out

this order and trying to call back to

856

Pegasus of like, Hey, hey, this is bad.

857

And Kane just won't pick up the phone.

858

She's just not interested in

whatever's happening over there.

859

Figure it out, Fisk.

860

Xhafer: Fucking figure it out.

861

You're the exo now.

862

Laura: Yep.

863

Xhafer: star bes Catches Shaw getting

ha while she's searching for booze.

864

Uh, They agree to keep each

other's secrets, but then she

865

doesn't do the drugs after all.

866

Laura: Yeah.

867

Hmm.

868

Yeah.

869

Starbucks is like, we all need a

little something to take the edge off.

870

Don't even worry about it, but just like,

871

Xhafer: She's like, I'm all edge.

872

I am the razor.

873

Laura: maybe that's it.

874

I don't know.

875

I took it as like, I've seen

myself reflected in this person.

876

I don't really like, so

I'm gonna put it away.

877

Xhafer: A hundred percent.

878

Yeah.

879

It's all like, well, she's a fucking mess.

880

So if I'm over here taking it to another

level, maybe I should fucking stop.

881

Laura: yeah,

882

Xhafer: Uh, we.

883

We then randomly flashback to Kane as a

like tween during the first silent war.

884

Has everyone dies and she has

to like leave people behind

885

Laura: this isn't

886

Xhafer: times in a row?

887

Laura: This isn't random

888

like Kane.

889

Then we flashback to Kane

promoting Shaw to captain.

890

Xhafer: Yes.

891

Oh, yeah.

892

Yeah.

893

She talks about having

to leave stuff behind.

894

That's

895

Laura: yes, so well she's like, sometimes

we have to because she's basically

896

rewarding Shaw for her part in this like

massacre and saying like, you did good.

897

You gotta, you gotta

leave these people behind.

898

They aren't worth it.

899

Xhafer: Yeah.

900

Laura: And so then we see that

Kane left her father and her

901

sister behind an asylum attack.

902

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

903

Laura: And we actually see like

there the si one of the silos is

904

this close to finding Kane's hiding

905

Xhafer: Yeah, she's like in the

storage unit, hiding and the asylum

906

rolls in and like if the war hadn't

ended when it did within like a

907

second later, she would've been dead.

908

Laura: Yeah.

909

He basically gets a little

signal and walks away and she

910

runs back to find her sister.

911

But it's only her

sister's doll that's left.

912

Xhafer: Yeah.

913

Laura: Hmm.

914

Cain,

915

Xhafer: Yeah.

916

You have to be the, uh, the razor here,

she says as she promotes her to captain.

917

Laura: you know, I, I can forgive

people for choices that they

918

were forced into when they were

not fully formed human beings.

919

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

920

Laura: And, you know, I think Kane needed

to like wrestle with this moment, but

921

Xhafer: Yeah.

922

Laura: I don't think this

character ever wrestled with this.

923

The lesson she walked away

with was like, I was right.

924

'cause I lived, not, I

lived 'cause I was lucky.

925

Xhafer: Yeah.

926

Laura: And nah, I don't think that was, I

think you learned the wrong lesson, Cain.

927

Xhafer: For sure.

928

Laura: Sorry.

929

Xhafer: Sean Star's compare Kane and Mama

Thra, just to make it really awkward.

930

Laura: Yeah.

931

But I mean, that's fresh on our minds

as the audience we are at this point.

932

The both of them believed

in fear and anger.

933

That fear will get you killed and

anger keeps you alive specifically.

934

And Starbucks says they're both wrong,

that you have to let go of both.

935

So.

936

That's interesting that this character,

at this point in time is saying that

937

when we know that just literally

where we were at the end of the

938

season, she was not feeling that way.

939

Xhafer: Yeah.

940

yeah.

941

So we see the rescue

operation is planned out.

942

The battle star is seemingly not really

having to worry about the silence.

943

Laura: Yeah.

944

Xhafer: It seems like their

weapons are pretty ineffective

945

and they're just like hanging out.

946

Laura: Yeah.

947

Xhafer: Just like

948

Laura: very casual right

949

Xhafer: Yeah.

950

Laura: And we're just gonna sneak away.

951

We're just, our raptors

are gonna sneak away.

952

Xhafer: yep.

953

And uh, we see the raptor gets

scuttled as part of the plan.

954

This was like part of the intro

'cause they did one of those things.

955

Laura: Mm-hmm.

956

Xhafer: but, Shaw Star Bees and two

Marines make it into the base star.

957

Laura: Yeah, they just

like spacesuit over there

958

Xhafer: Yeah.

959

Laura: and then we get the creepy

old man hybrid voice monologuing

960

Xhafer: Yeah.

961

Laura: they start their infiltration.

962

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

963

That guy will come around too.

964

A little, get a little bit more from him.

965

So, yeah, he just, he does a, he

does one of those hybrid rambles.

966

Laura: It's a little more

coherent than the one on the CY

967

ship in season three, I think.

968

Xhafer: I would agree.

969

Um, but I also

970

uh,

971

Laura: You know, a lot more

972

Xhafer: I know a lot more so like when

it's being ambiguous, I know the things

973

it's saying most of the time and that's

the true for most of the hybrid stuff.

974

Um, they did a really good job

of like hiding the little clues

975

in there and things and talking

about things before they happen.

976

Laura: Mm-hmm.

977

Xhafer: Um, whether they did it and then

they knew it, they were gonna do it at

978

some point and hit it, or whether they

went back and like, okay, well we said

979

these things, so we'll do this now.

980

Laura: Yeah.

981

Mm-hmm.

982

Yeah.

983

No, he uh, he is interesting.

984

I have a lot of thoughts about him.

985

Xhafer: Do you wanna talk about

it now or do you wanna save it?

986

Laura: Let's save it.

987

'cause we, he's gotta say

some more weird stuff.

988

Xhafer: Yeah.

989

He says a handful of things

990

Laura: Yeah.

991

But he does tell us, as we see,

like Lee and Adama presiding over

992

the mission listening to what's

going on, and the hybrid rambles

993

about knowing the final five.

994

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

995

Laura: Oh, I wrote the other six.

996

Did he say other six or did he say seven?

997

Xhafer: He said the seven now.

998

Six?

999

Laura: Oh, that's it.

00:44:06,805 --> 00:44:08,185

Because Deanna's been boxed,

00:44:08,365 --> 00:44:08,725

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:44:09,565 --> 00:44:14,005

Laura: Oh, but they, she hasn't

yet, but he's already there.

00:44:14,035 --> 00:44:15,085

He already knows

00:44:15,985 --> 00:44:16,405

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:44:16,465 --> 00:44:18,265

Well, she, no, she

00:44:18,445 --> 00:44:20,155

Laura: she wouldn't have been boxed yet,

00:44:20,215 --> 00:44:20,515

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:44:20,515 --> 00:44:21,685

She wouldn't have been boxed yet.

00:44:21,955 --> 00:44:23,365

Laura: so he's like future talking.

00:44:23,785 --> 00:44:24,145

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:44:24,535 --> 00:44:25,045

Laura: Okay.

00:44:25,225 --> 00:44:26,365

So that's for us.

00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,700

Xhafer: Well, I mean, he's like,

he's current with the episodes that

00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:34,420

have aired like, like when he goes on

his little screen and watches Battle

00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:36,130

Star Galactica, he's, he's up to

00:44:36,130 --> 00:44:36,520

date with

00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,240

this episode.

00:44:37,585 --> 00:44:37,945

Laura: Yeah.

00:44:38,245 --> 00:44:38,575

Yeah.

00:44:39,055 --> 00:44:44,995

The other six that are left are

gonna be consumed by sin but will

00:44:44,995 --> 00:44:51,295

join the promised land gathered

on the wings of an angel, huh?

00:44:52,125 --> 00:44:52,345

Xhafer: Huh?

00:44:53,095 --> 00:44:53,485

Laura: Huh?

00:44:54,225 --> 00:44:54,445

Xhafer: Huh?

00:44:54,865 --> 00:44:58,405

Laura: If that angel is Guy Baltar,

I'm throwing something at the tv.

00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:12,700

Xhafer: I said maybe um, yeah, so

they wander around the ship, they

00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:17,320

find the captured crew and Star BE'S

is immediately like, fuck this shit.

00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,610

I've seen this before.

00:45:19,795 --> 00:45:24,025

I'm sure in calling back to

her experiences at the farm.

00:45:24,485 --> 00:45:25,610

Laura: Has she been to the farm yet?

00:45:27,095 --> 00:45:27,605

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

00:45:27,605 --> 00:45:28,805

That was in season one.

00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:29,929

Laura: Oh, that's right.

00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:31,339

She has been to the farm.

00:45:31,549 --> 00:45:34,399

She just hasn't gone back and rescued

00:45:34,759 --> 00:45:35,599

Xhafer: Saved Anders

00:45:35,749 --> 00:45:37,759

Laura: Those two were two separate things.

00:45:37,789 --> 00:45:38,059

Okay.

00:45:38,269 --> 00:45:38,689

Yes.

00:45:38,839 --> 00:45:39,079

Okay.

00:45:39,799 --> 00:45:40,249

I'm with you.

00:45:41,059 --> 00:45:41,349

Yeah.

00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:46,734

And they're like trying to get

them outta there as fast as they

00:45:46,969 --> 00:45:47,389

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:45:48,114 --> 00:45:51,954

Laura: but De Silva gets caught somehow

00:45:52,279 --> 00:45:52,569

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:45:53,514 --> 00:46:00,024

Laura: and we have that dramatic moment

where Shaw shoots de Silva rather than

00:46:00,864 --> 00:46:04,404

him be taken back with the

centurions that are dragging him

00:46:04,644 --> 00:46:09,430

Xhafer: Uh, This scene is straight out

of first contact with Picard, killing

00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:10,750

the crewman who's saying Help me.

00:46:11,620 --> 00:46:12,130

Which is fun.

00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,390

'cause Ron Moore wrote 'em both.

00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:19,524

So, you know, it's, uh, it's, it's,

it's not plagiarism when it's you but

00:46:19,574 --> 00:46:23,384

Laura: Actually, that's the dream is to

be able to like reuse your work Right.

00:46:23,384 --> 00:46:26,954

For a new thing and be lauded for it.

00:46:26,954 --> 00:46:30,074

Like I wanna be able to cite myself.

00:46:34,304 --> 00:46:34,844

Yeah.

00:46:35,304 --> 00:46:37,974

But Shaw gets shot like in the process.

00:46:38,229 --> 00:46:43,449

Xhafer: Yeah, Shaw gets shot and the

nuke they brought detonator is fried,

00:46:43,824 --> 00:46:44,064

Laura: Yeah.

00:46:44,064 --> 00:46:47,244

We can't remote detonate it, but

it will still manual detonate.

00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:51,439

Xhafer: Shaw orders them to set

up the manual detonator as Lee

00:46:51,439 --> 00:46:53,869

orders a nuke ready to launch.

00:46:53,869 --> 00:46:58,999

But the admiral disagrees and the

drama builds until Lee has to order

00:46:58,999 --> 00:47:02,239

star bes to blow the nuke manually.

00:47:03,214 --> 00:47:04,144

Laura: Yes.

00:47:04,564 --> 00:47:04,924

Yes.

00:47:05,049 --> 00:47:06,604

'cause we like lost contact.

00:47:06,604 --> 00:47:11,250

We're being jammed for a little bit,

but then we get back through and yeah.

00:47:11,705 --> 00:47:13,895

Lee thinks star Bes needs to do this.

00:47:13,895 --> 00:47:14,645

I guess,

00:47:15,575 --> 00:47:19,115

I don't know why he doesn't, I guess

because he's heard Shaw is injured,

00:47:19,265 --> 00:47:20,735

that's why he doesn't give her the order.

00:47:21,260 --> 00:47:24,300

Xhafer: Maybe maybe he's just

all like, if I'm gonna have to

00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:27,120

ask anyone, it's gonna be her,

00:47:27,460 --> 00:47:27,880

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:47:29,070 --> 00:47:29,490

Xhafer: you know?

00:47:30,310 --> 00:47:31,640

Laura: Yeah, maybe.

00:47:31,875 --> 00:47:35,835

But I was like, shouldn't the one who's

in charge have to be the one in charge?

00:47:36,975 --> 00:47:37,265

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,945

Well, they might think Shaw's dead.

00:47:39,765 --> 00:47:40,365

Laura: That's true.

00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,230

Xhafer: She might be the one leading

the, the mission at this point.

00:47:43,905 --> 00:47:44,205

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:44,385 --> 00:47:45,735

It's, it's very confusing.

00:47:46,335 --> 00:47:52,515

So Starbuck goes to like, do

the thing, but Shaw's like, nah,

00:47:52,515 --> 00:47:55,425

I'm already like half toast.

00:47:56,355 --> 00:47:57,195

You go on

00:47:57,585 --> 00:47:59,355

and I'm gonna take this nuke, please.

00:47:59,355 --> 00:47:59,895

Thank you.

00:48:00,215 --> 00:48:00,635

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:48:01,340 --> 00:48:07,843

She uh, gives Kane's knife at gunpoint

to Starbuck and sends her along.

00:48:08,998 --> 00:48:11,068

she's like, if you don't

live, I'll kill you.

00:48:15,778 --> 00:48:16,798

One of those,

00:48:17,293 --> 00:48:22,633

Laura: yeah, Yeah, she finds the hybrid

and he says he's been waiting for her

00:48:22,783 --> 00:48:23,503

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:48:23,683 --> 00:48:25,783

Laura: for a very long time.

00:48:26,263 --> 00:48:28,903

Xhafer: Well, I mean 40 years or whatever.

00:48:28,903 --> 00:48:29,143

Yeah.

00:48:29,925 --> 00:48:31,200

Laura: Yeah, I.

00:48:32,567 --> 00:48:33,497

Wondered.

00:48:34,127 --> 00:48:35,777

Oh, and I guess we couldn't know.

00:48:36,077 --> 00:48:38,747

I wondered if this hybrid was Kane's dad.

00:48:39,438 --> 00:48:41,088

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

00:48:41,088 --> 00:48:42,258

That could be a whole thing.

00:48:42,498 --> 00:48:46,398

Laura: That could be a thing, because

like we don't know what happened to

00:48:46,398 --> 00:48:48,618

him and they were carting people away.

00:48:48,618 --> 00:48:51,828

It seems at the end of the Webi episodes,

00:48:52,518 --> 00:48:52,878

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:48:53,418 --> 00:48:58,608

Um, I don't think the actor

was not dual credited 'cause I

00:48:58,848 --> 00:49:01,068

Laura: well, I mean, he

would've been like wicked older.

00:49:01,068 --> 00:49:02,898

So you just get a different dude, right?

00:49:03,048 --> 00:49:03,258

Yeah.

00:49:03,378 --> 00:49:03,738

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:49:04,188 --> 00:49:07,728

Um, I, I, I looked up the actor

who plays the first hybrid

00:49:07,728 --> 00:49:09,048

because the voice was familiar

00:49:09,503 --> 00:49:10,188

Laura: Oh, okay.

00:49:10,548 --> 00:49:12,658

Xhafer: and did not see anything that.

00:49:13,293 --> 00:49:16,353

Register particularly strong, a strong

acting career like, um, you know,

00:49:16,353 --> 00:49:19,923

like 200 some credits, lots of that

kind of stuff, but nothing that was

00:49:19,923 --> 00:49:22,053

all like, oh, that was the thing,

00:49:22,263 --> 00:49:22,623

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:23,043 --> 00:49:26,373

No, I was like, I wonder if this

is supposed to be Kane's dad.

00:49:26,943 --> 00:49:27,423

Xhafer: mm-hmm.

00:49:28,173 --> 00:49:30,153

Laura: That would be interesting,

but we'll never know.

00:49:30,333 --> 00:49:31,383

'cause Yeah,

00:49:32,117 --> 00:49:34,727

Xhafer: The hybrid tells Shaw

that Kara is the harbinger of

00:49:34,727 --> 00:49:37,726

death, she's the end of humanity

00:49:38,236 --> 00:49:38,956

Laura: yeah.

00:49:39,496 --> 00:49:45,586

Xhafer: and almost warns the Adams, but

fails and then blows up the Bay Star.

00:49:45,916 --> 00:49:46,486

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:46,666 --> 00:49:53,236

He, before they talk about Karath race,

he's like, I know that you wanna be

00:49:53,236 --> 00:49:55,516

forgiven for your crimes on the Silla.

00:49:55,761 --> 00:49:56,181

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:49:57,196 --> 00:50:00,631

Laura: And that's when we find

out, not only was she present,

00:50:01,716 --> 00:50:02,006

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:50:02,221 --> 00:50:03,631

Laura: she fired the first shot.

00:50:03,676 --> 00:50:04,096

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:50:05,041 --> 00:50:08,851

Laura: She is the one who

shot, I think a woman first.

00:50:09,706 --> 00:50:10,966

Xhafer: Uh, LA Lad's wife.

00:50:11,267 --> 00:50:12,017

Laura: Larry's wife.

00:50:12,347 --> 00:50:12,677

Yeah.

00:50:13,447 --> 00:50:16,297

I don't know if he actually, if

there's an actually like I forgive

00:50:16,297 --> 00:50:23,197

you conversation, but he, he does also

say that my children believe I am God.

00:50:23,842 --> 00:50:23,992

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:50:24,397 --> 00:50:29,347

Laura: So is it was

thiss, this hybrids God.

00:50:30,052 --> 00:50:30,802

Xhafer: The one true.

00:50:31,401 --> 00:50:31,821

Laura: Hmm

00:50:32,357 --> 00:50:34,667

Xhafer: There's gonna be a lot

of stuff about silent God in

00:50:34,667 --> 00:50:36,107

the next handful of episodes.

00:50:36,107 --> 00:50:36,797

So say that.

00:50:37,052 --> 00:50:42,062

Laura: okay 'cause he is not troubled

at all that she's gonna blow this

00:50:42,062 --> 00:50:45,872

nuke and he's just like, that's fine.

00:50:46,112 --> 00:50:48,392

My existence will begin anew.

00:50:48,722 --> 00:50:51,302

It's all happened before

and will happen again.

00:50:52,292 --> 00:50:52,892

It's fine.

00:50:53,672 --> 00:50:54,362

It's alright.

00:50:54,992 --> 00:50:55,382

I'm good.

00:50:56,612 --> 00:50:57,422

I'm good over here.

00:50:57,767 --> 00:50:58,097

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:50:59,345 --> 00:51:02,045

Laura: And the Bay Star slowed.

00:51:02,420 --> 00:51:02,720

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:04,160

Laura: I.

00:51:04,681 --> 00:51:09,371

Xhafer: After that, Adama and Lee

discussed Kane and her legacy, but

00:51:09,371 --> 00:51:11,741

also family and legacy in command.

00:51:13,151 --> 00:51:18,101

Adama says history will judge them all,

and the first draft will be their logs.

00:51:19,226 --> 00:51:24,866

Laura: Yeah, he's trying to convince

Lee too that like, it's okay to give

00:51:24,866 --> 00:51:29,456

Shaw posthumous commendation and Lee's

like, I don't know, she did a murder.

00:51:29,736 --> 00:51:30,026

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:51:31,901 --> 00:51:33,041

She did do a murder.

00:51:33,416 --> 00:51:39,206

Laura: And Dom was like, well, you

know, we get to, we get to steer

00:51:39,206 --> 00:51:41,096

the story on that a little bit.

00:51:41,966 --> 00:51:45,506

So she, she did a murder, but

she also saved all her lives.

00:51:46,001 --> 00:51:46,331

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:51:46,391 --> 00:51:47,081

She did a thing.

00:51:47,531 --> 00:51:50,111

Did she save all of their lives though?

00:51:50,996 --> 00:51:51,146

Laura: I

00:51:51,296 --> 00:51:53,846

Xhafer: This, this bass

star can't damage them.

00:51:54,851 --> 00:51:58,271

Laura: She did save the two likes,

civilian scientists or whatever, how

00:51:58,271 --> 00:51:59,861

many, however many were on that team.

00:51:59,861 --> 00:52:03,041

So I guess she, she did, she did

a murder of civilians, but she

00:52:03,041 --> 00:52:04,871

also did a rescue of civilians,

00:52:05,246 --> 00:52:05,606

Xhafer: yeah,

00:52:06,401 --> 00:52:08,741

Laura: so, Hmm.

00:52:09,296 --> 00:52:09,596

Xhafer: yeah.

00:52:12,401 --> 00:52:13,091

Laura: Um,

00:52:15,731 --> 00:52:19,741

yeah, we get the little button

is that specs is like, Hey,

00:52:19,801 --> 00:52:21,001

I hate working with you.

00:52:21,121 --> 00:52:22,651

I'm gonna go back to Galactica.

00:52:22,711 --> 00:52:23,821

I've transferred back,

00:52:24,106 --> 00:52:24,316

Xhafer: But

00:52:25,291 --> 00:52:27,961

Laura: You know, I got my special

destiny to do and whatever.

00:52:28,831 --> 00:52:29,101

Bye.

00:52:30,121 --> 00:52:30,721

Credits.

00:52:31,396 --> 00:52:31,666

Xhafer: Yep.

00:52:32,656 --> 00:52:34,876

And that's the movie.

00:52:35,251 --> 00:52:36,181

Laura: That's a movie.

00:52:36,376 --> 00:52:41,886

Xhafer: So before we describe next episode

let's talk about, you had some things

00:52:41,886 --> 00:52:45,756

you wanted to bring up, some stuff, some

thoughts, some fifis, some theories.

00:52:45,756 --> 00:52:45,906

Let's

00:52:45,966 --> 00:52:46,776

Laura: Yes.

00:52:46,836 --> 00:52:50,526

So I think before when we were talking

about hybrids with all the Deanna

00:52:50,526 --> 00:52:55,926

stuff, I had wondered, I was like,

are they all the same like model

00:52:56,676 --> 00:52:59,076

and that seems to be put to rest.

00:52:59,226 --> 00:53:00,846

They are not the same model.

00:53:01,206 --> 00:53:05,076

They are humans who are kidnapped Right.

00:53:06,486 --> 00:53:10,782

And altered to in some way

00:53:11,517 --> 00:53:11,817

Xhafer: this

00:53:11,952 --> 00:53:12,672

Laura: is useful.

00:53:13,017 --> 00:53:13,677

Xhafer: probably,

00:53:14,382 --> 00:53:14,682

Laura: Yeah.

00:53:16,417 --> 00:53:18,517

Xhafer: All of them, I'm not sure.

00:53:19,027 --> 00:53:23,647

I do think they at a certain point I

think they started growing hybrids.

00:53:23,647 --> 00:53:27,957

I think there's only like three

or four hybrid actors that we see

00:53:28,572 --> 00:53:28,932

Laura: Hmm.

00:53:29,787 --> 00:53:32,577

Xhafer: on bay stars and we see

them on different bay stars.

00:53:32,787 --> 00:53:33,057

So,

00:53:33,132 --> 00:53:33,462

Laura: Okay.

00:53:34,302 --> 00:53:40,152

So it, the, the original technology was

like we needed human bodies to do it.

00:53:40,557 --> 00:53:40,917

Xhafer: yeah,

00:53:41,157 --> 00:53:42,537

Laura: But now maybe we don't.

00:53:43,422 --> 00:53:46,602

Xhafer: I'm not a hundred percent on

this, and I dunno if they ever clarify it,

00:53:46,792 --> 00:53:47,212

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:53:48,807 --> 00:53:49,527

Yeah.

00:53:51,402 --> 00:53:54,852

Xhafer: they're definitely playing

around and going that way at a

00:53:54,852 --> 00:53:56,772

certain point of the silent history.

00:53:57,237 --> 00:54:01,232

Laura: I wish we knew how many

people on the Diana never came back.

00:54:01,527 --> 00:54:03,327

Like from being dragged away.

00:54:03,852 --> 00:54:04,242

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:54:04,377 --> 00:54:07,197

Laura: I guess some of them

could have just died, but

00:54:07,602 --> 00:54:10,722

Xhafer: Well I think there's,

there's two left, right?

00:54:11,052 --> 00:54:12,222

There's two in that cell

00:54:12,387 --> 00:54:15,387

Laura: oh, I thought there were probably

more, they didn't say, you know, we can

00:54:15,387 --> 00:54:16,632

see too, but,

00:54:18,292 --> 00:54:18,682

Xhafer: That's fair.