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3. Mold misconceptions: Why dryness or cleanliness doesn’t guarantee safety
4. How the air you breathe can influence multiple body systems
5. Trend of increasing home exposure since the shift to remote work
6. Subtle water damage: Small leaks and drips as major mold risks
7. Challenges with conventional mold testing and what usually gets overlooked
8. The Dust Test: A simple, at-home method to reveal mold in your environment
9. Exposure mapping: Prioritizing fixes in your home based on your health data
10. 80/20 approach to remediation—focus on what moves the needle most
11. Easy and fast tips to cut mold exposure: air filtration, air flushing, and dust cleaning
12. Why symptoms can differ among family members—even in the same house

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What if your mystery symptoms in your body aren't actually coming from your

body, but rather from the house around You we're talking about mold and how

mold can hit your lungs, your gut, and even your skin all at the same

time, and you may never smell a thing.

My guest today is Brian Karr and he's gonna explain how this works and how

you're not even safe if you live in a dry place like I do in San Diego.

And how one single drip in your walls or anywhere in your house can turn into

a massive hidden exposure of mold and how most mold tests that you might have

used actually miss the real problem.

You're gonna learn about a simple dust test that does reveal what your breathing

in the air, an 80 20 way to prioritize fixes in your house, and the three fastest

ways to cut your mold exposure today.

Let's get into it.

All right, Brian, I am really excited that you're here a little selfishly on the,

on this whole mold talk, like you said.

But, um, yeah, you and your, your partners and, and what you've been doing.

I mean, you're probably the most knowledgeable experts that, that

we've been able to find on molds on what's happening inside our

houses, maybe elsewhere as well.

So I think really getting into, um, what could we, what is what's around us and

then what to do about it is my goal here.

And, um, I'm just very grateful you're here.

So thanks for your time, Brian.

Love it.

I'm excited to be here.

Love what you guys are doing as well.

I am.

You said like selfishly I was like on my show when I have people and I'm

like, you know, asking for a friend.

I always like, say, ask for a friend, but I'm, I'm, what you guys are

doing is, uh, is amazing, honestly.

And, and it's, uh, it's really cool and I think it's driving towards

the future of where health is going.

Um, and I'm really excited to be chatting with you and, and doing

whatever I, whatever I can do for you guys in, in our conversation today.

Yeah.

Well, I, I mean, hey man, we all need each other, and I think the

biggest thing that we're trying to get out here is education and.

Like I was telling you before we hit record, we haven't really gone into mold.

And the reason why I said selfishly is, you know, I had a bunch of mold in me

when I did my toxin test and luckily did, uh, the therapeutic plasma exchange,

still waiting on what the results there.

So we'll see, uh, if that stuff's still lingering or not.

But I'm imagining I'm not unique in that, um, that there's people probably who don't

think that they're living in a moldy spot.

You know, I'm in San Diego, it's dry and warm, but then I had a bunch of mold.

I'm like, uh, I don't live.

You know, but that's probably a misconception that you can probably debunk

You know, it's one of the, it's one of the biggest ones, right?

And.

I, I think if, if literally everyone tested themselves, people, the, the, the

percentage of people that have some sort of mold toxicity issue, people would

just be amazed by, by the sheer number.

Right?

And it's, it's tough to wrap your head around sometimes because

the stuff you can't really see.

Right?

And so it's really hard a lot of times to connect some sort of impact

from something that you don't see.

And there's also like the stigma with mold where like it could only be in

like dirty houses or this type of place.

Like I don't have a mold in my house.

Right.

And it's like almost this thing like, like people feel like they did

something wrong or they're gross or they're something, and like that's

not, that's not what it is at all.

It's so, so common and it's, in my opinion, one of the biggest foundational

impacts to health across all body systems.

And it, it, it does this for, for two reasons.

One, it's the only ex external contaminant, let's say,

that can impact your body.

In, in more than one body system directly.

Right.

So let me expand on that.

So like, if you eat, let's say you eat, it goes straight to your gut right Now,

obviously from your gut, you have leaky gut, you could have other things, right?

But the, the direct area of impact is one body system.

It's your gut.

That's where it goes.

Drinking water, same thing, straight to your gut, right?

So a lot of us, when we're thinking about environmental and even, you

know, if you're running tox panels and stuff, it's like, oh, the food

I'm eating might be causing this.

Right, and a lot of times, a lot of the doctors shift more towards food as

like the primary place to look first.

And I actually think that of course, I mean, there's stuff there too, right?

It's not like that, there's not stuff there, but I actually think that it's the

smaller impact when you're seeing these toxins come up higher in the tox panels

as compared to the air and the environment that you're in, because the environment

that you live in, it, it, it directly impacts three body systems right away.

So we just talked about eating and drinking's one.

So when you're, when you're the air around you, one, you're gonna breathe it.

So the obvious is your lungs and your respiratory, right?

That's the first one.

Now, the second, when you breathe, like through your nose,

you have postnasal drip, right?

And that directly seeds your gut.

So that means the air that is in your environment gets into your nose, into

your sinuses, it gets into your mucus, and then you have postnasal drip, and you're

effectively directly impacting your gut.

From the air that you're breathing.

And so now if you just stop there, you have your respiratory system

that's pumping out into the blood and then you have your gut that

we all know about the gut, uh, you know, the gut barrier, the gut brain

access, like all that stuff, right?

So now your, your hitting so many areas of your body, but it's all

directly coming from the air.

Right.

And then the third area, and it's something we don't think

about as much, but we're, we're always so concerned about it.

Like with the makeup that, you know, you put on and the lotions and

the sunscreens and all this stuff.

What is in your air settles on your skin?

And your skin is, is one of your biggest detox pathways out, right?

So a lot of times you'll see skin issues manifest in people and it's because

they kind of have like clogged up methylation paths and things like that.

And so stuff like starts trying to come outta their skin.

And so that's also an inbound road.

It's not just a one way street.

And so if you have your skin getting hit from the outside.

You have your lungs kind of coming and pushing, you know,

from, from the respiratory tract.

And then you have the gut brain connection and the, and the leaky gut

that gets out into the rest of the body.

Your, your triggering inflammatory responses.

Multiple places at the same time in your body.

And so when you look at it like that, and this is why I think it's, it's the

biggest foundational, like systemic body, chronic, and, you know, chronic

conditions like, like all that stuff, the environment that we're in is

just such a huge component of it.

And while we see it and have seen it for a while, I think that like.

More the messaging and just like people becoming aware of it, it's

like just scratching the surface right now and how important that it is.

But if we could fix that component of it, you are reducing so much body burden.

At that point and you start seeing when you reduce body burden, a

lot of these, you know, systemic, chronic things, they start to reduce.

Right.

And it could be more severe when you're talking about like childhood

developmental brain issues and autism and things like that.

Um, cognitive decline when you get older.

Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, all this stuff, right?

But then there's, there's fertility and there's autoimmune issues, and

there's just all of these other, there.

There's these like mysterious chronic fill in the blank

that no doctor can figure out.

And that stuff is happening for a reason.

I, and a lot of times it's that you have this, you know, you hear this phrase root,

root cause all the time, but you have this root cause trigger that's creating some

sort of immune response, uh, inflammatory response, or maybe even a toxic, uh,

like an actual toxin burden that's in there that is affecting different

systems in your body in different ways.

And so it manifests all over the place and it becomes very

hard to pinpoint it as like, oh.

I have a, I have a cough, so I must have this right?

Like one symptom equals something here, but that's not what it is.

Like you could be breathing something and have.

Irritable bowel syndrome as a result of it.

Like, and, and it makes no sense to you, or you are in your house and you're having

cognitive memory issues, your kids are like all of a sudden acting differently.

Your husband's like, yeah, I'm okay.

I'm just like really tired all the time.

And then somebody else over here is like, oh, my rheumatoid

arthritis is just flaring.

And you look at that picture of the four people in that house that all have

something different and different body systems like all over the place happening.

And you're like, well, how can it be the house?

'cause we're all in the same house so it can't be the house.

'cause we would all be reacting the same.

And the thing that people miss on this is that our bodies are so different

that a single trigger will cause a different reaction inside of every

single person based on, you know, where their weak link is in the body.

Right?

And I think if you see that pattern, it's like a huge red flag that there's

something going on environmentally.

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I've heard, you know, Dr. Savage talks a lot about how your home is the place

that's probably the most toxic with just so many of these, these things.

I mean, I agree.

Right, and even the EPA has information, you know, out about this, that like

the, our indoor environments are more polluted than the outside.

We spend 90% of our time indoors.

And now, especially post COVID, we're spending more time in our actual

homes as opposed to going somewhere else for half of our day, right?

Like, I just work from home.

Now, that didn't used to happen, and I'm sure there's many people

that is the same way, right?

So now if you have issues in your home, they're almost, it's almost like

you're being exposed twice as much now because you're not leaving and going to

a secondary place that might not have the same issue that's going on and,

and it's starting to hit harder, right?

Like, you know, it's interesting when COVID happened.

A tangent.

Um, I was, I was really concerned that we inspect, which is my,

in my, uh, inspection company.

I thought that we were like, there was a chance that we might

go under because who's gonna let some random person in their house?

We were all so afraid of, of being near other people.

Right.

And you know, I was obviously like a lot of people really concerned about that.

And you know, what actually happened is that we boomed.

Hmm.

And we boomed because people were trapped in their houses and they weren't leaving.

And so their exposures were twice as much, three times as much

'cause they weren't leaving.

And the health reactions just started compounding.

And it was now they were balancing out, am I concerned about this thing?

Where literally every day I am getting worse and worse down, down the health a

thing that, you know, that's impacting me.

And it actually was a huge boom point for us.

Instead of what it, what, you know, what we were concerned that it would be.

Right.

And it's just, it's very telling to see that, you know, all, all

the people that we work with, it's, it's not like you go into homes and

there's like mold all over the walls.

It's not how it works.

Right.

It was like your, what you were just describing too, you know, I

live in a place, I'm not in the south, it's not super mega humid.

I don't have water damage everywhere and have all these things, but there

is water damage in almost every.

I, I mean, I, I would say 99% of homes there's water damage and it's

just really subtle and it's not big floods that cause all these problems.

It's my kitchen sink dripped a little bit into the cabinet, or like

when my kids take a shower, they splash outside the shower and it

gets on the wall next to the shower.

Or it's like these little things that when you add them up, it's adding a lot of

little things to create a much bigger net.

Impact on, on the sum of all of those things, right?

And then we are breathing the sum of all of those things.

And, and that's what happens a lot.

And the thing is, is that, uh, you know, as homeowners or renters, you know, just

people who live in houses, like, we're not really taught this stuff by anybody.

And so we think when I have, you know, my garbage disposal leaked under my sink

and it fell into my, you know, dripped into water, went into my sink cabinet,

we're like, oh, we'll just dry it out and get a new disposal and be done.

But you actually create, there's like a hidden mold problem under your cabinet

now, now that's gonna constantly be part of your, an addition to your

airflow cycle throughout the house, and all these little things that go on

that, that it creates an exposure that then starts to build up in our bodies.

Right?

And, and we can't, we can't like counteract it once it gets too much.

It's wild.

I mean you, and I'd love for you to, you know, I want to ask the question,

but also I want you to preface with like your background as well.

'cause you've seen a lot of homes.

You've helped a thousands of people, I think personally, right?

Like who, who have had some, some kind of issue, um, personally, but back to this

whole thing of like, man, the smallest drip can literally change everything.

And that's what's stuck in my mind right now is almost

like it could happen anywhere.

Like you said, most houses

it's in every house.

It's an I. So I've been personally like going in and obviously we built a larger,

uh, you know, a larger, you know, business now to where I'm not going in every house,

but like I started doing this, I don't know, 10, 11, 12 years ago, whatever

the date is, and I could literally count on one hand over that 10, 12 years, the

number of times I went in a house and I didn't find something one hand, it's five.

geez.

Like, that's it.

And so it, it's tough because then people will be like, oh,

well there's mold everywhere.

So like, oh, this is a lost caught.

Like, what are we doing?

You know?

And it's interesting, it brings up two things as like I talked through it.

First off is people, a lot of times people looking for like local, you

know, they go on a Yelp and they look for mold inspector, right?

And so many times like, oh, you don't have a problem.

Well just take that versus what I just said of 12 years and I can

only count five times that I haven't found something in the house.

Right?

So there's this very, very big disparity in like how to actually find the problems

in a house and how to test it properly.

There's a, most of your local inspectors are using the wrong

tests for the wrong reasons.

And so it's like if I'm trying to test my, I don't know if I'm trying

to test for mycotoxins in my body.

Or let's just say something different.

I'm just trying to like look at my cholesterol panel,

my L-D-L-H-D-L, whatever.

It's a blood draw.

Like that's what you do to figure that out.

And it's the equivalent of coming and saying, I wanna

know my full cholesterol panel.

And they're like, cool, we're gonna do a breath test and we're gonna

tell you your cholesterol panel.

And then you be like, oh, okay, you're the doctor.

I should do a breath test.

And they get the results back like, God, I don't see any, any

cholesterol here, so you must be good.

Right?

Like, that's the equivalent of what's going on with

these, with these inspectors.

So you have that like very big disparity there, which then makes

it really difficult for somebody who does run, like you did, like

had a, had a clinical test, right?

It's like, oh, I see these toxin in my body.

And then you call, you know, local inspector John over here, and they're

like, oh, you don't have a problem.

And the, the issue with that is by creating that false sense of

security for that individual by saying you don't have a problem.

You are, you are actually prolonging their health issues because now

in their mind they're like, I've checked the box of the house.

The house is fine when the reality is the house probably has a number of problems

for you to be seeing toxin levels in your urine or your blood, the way that

you're seeing 'em in a test like that.

Like it's not one or two things that causes that.

And so that's a very big challenge that has to get overcome in the, you know, for,

for people who are going through this.

The other thing is when you hear.

What I just said where like I could pretty much go into any house and find

something is then, well, that means I, I'm gonna have to remediate all the stuff.

Like every house is a problem.

Like there's no hope.

It's, you know, and, and what we've learned over the years is

it's, it's not about getting every single area mold outta the house.

Right?

I can tell you right now, in my place right now, I know there's two things

going on right now in my house.

I rent, I have limited capability, right?

So I do things to kind of manage it, you know, in a space saying, listen,

any house that I go into, if I'm in a place that has like less than three

problems, like that's a win, right?

Like, that's just kind of how I look at it, right?

So I'm like, I know I have two things going on.

I rent my house.

I only have so much control.

And so.

I'm like, okay, so, so how do I handle this?

Right?

And so I think like when you're, when you're dealing with a, a home issue, like

we go in a home, let's say we find 10 problems, let's just say it's not that you

have to fix every single one of the 10.

What we do is we then correlate what's in your body.

So if you've done clinical mycotoxins and it's like, hey, you've got, you know,

this toxin, that toxin, whatever, we'll correlate that to what's in the house.

And then we're gonna prioritize the remediation plan to the areas

that are manifesting in your body to the things that we're seeing

that are, that are hitting you.

Right?

Yeah.

And so like think 80 20 concept, I mean, that's effectively what it is, right?

So it's like, Hey, we found 10 things.

Um, we'll prioritize them out and say, Hey, we think maybe these

three are the biggest drivers, so like, run at these three and we

think you're gonna get, you know, reduction that's gonna be meaningful.

And that doesn't mean you have to do the other six or seven potentially.

Right.

And I, and, and we've seen success with people so much.

Around having the right data to drive really smart decisions on, let's call

it treatment, if you will, right?

The same way you would for a body, right?

Like you could do a full body testing panel, right?

Like I just did the function health panel, right?

And it's like, hey, here's all the stuff, right?

It's like, okay, but what are the biggest needle movers that I need to focus on?

Right?

I can't do everything at once.

So you work on the big, the biggest needle movers, and then all of

a sudden you start to see other things kind of improve, right?

Because you're reducing, you know, kind of the biggest things

that are attacking in a way.

Right?

And that's really the, the approach in the house too.

that makes sense.

And yeah, the 80 20 thing, I mean, it'd be impossible to fix everything.

I mean, unless you're starting scratch and then you're probably

exposing all sorts of other things.

Um.

Talk to me about the testing.

Like, so why is this such an issue with Yeah.

The people on Yelp who are using these tests.

Like are they just clueless or are they just like the tools aren't there

it's interesting.

I was just like, I'm working on writing something about this right now and um,

the only reason that I know how to do this is because I had my own issue.

Way back 10, 12 years ago, and I lived in an apartment and I had a, a pipe

burst in my ceiling and water came out and it was like this whole thing.

And I started getting sick.

I started having like cognitive, like brain fog stuff.

I started getting skin stuff that was happening, eczema and things like that,

and I happened to be dating my future wife and her dad happened to be literally

the top expert in the world at this.

Wow.

that's how it happened, right?

And so I'm talking to her way back when, when this is going on.

I'm saying, ah, I feel, I don't feel as sharp as I do.

Like, oh my God, I washed my face today.

I have all these patches and shit on my face, like, what's going on?

And she's like, you know, you had this thing happen.

You sound just like all, all the people my dad works with, like you should

have, I think you have a mold problem.

She says, right?

And I was like, wow.

I. What would I know?

I didn't know anything about it.

What did I do?

As somebody who knew nothing, I called the landlord.

They came in, they dried out the ceiling and they said everything was fine.

And so I think that everything is fine 'cause this guy owns buildings.

He must know what he's doing.

Right.

And uh, so then I, I call them and they're like, well you can't have

mold 'cause everything's dry, but we'll, we'll send somebody in to come,

you know, to come test your house.

Right.

And this is kind of what we're getting to.

So what these people do when they come in, they take an air sample pump and they

just stick it in the middle of the room for five minutes and then they leave.

Uh.

and that's how they test a house.

And their rationale behind it is, that's the air you are breathing.

So we're gonna test this air right now at the time.

It makes sense.

And for a lot of people that makes sense.

Once you kinda like dig in and actually understand like.

Building science and how things move around and how it works.

You realize that, that, that there's actual studies that say you should

not be doing that and you should be testing in a different way.

And, and the reason that test doesn't work yet, this is what everyone does.

Everyone comes in and does quote air quality testing and they'll put in air

pump in your room and they might test four or five rooms in your house and

say, Hey, we tested all these rooms.

Your hair's great, right?

Like, that's what I'm gonna say.

And.

There's a couple reasons that it, it just doesn't work, right?

This is the wrong test for the wrong reason, right?

What they're trying to determine in that test is, do you have a mold problem?

That's what they're trying to determine, okay?

Now, fundamentally, that's the wrong question because what if

you did have a mold problem?

How do you fix it?

Hmm.

That test doesn't tell you where it's coming from,

Right.

It's just whatever's circulating around.

Right.

Yeah.

Right.

So then if, so, we did it.

I did an internal study myself when I was going through houses for like a year.

So I found in doing that, like if I, if there's a wall behind me, for those

of you not watching, so let's say in this wall I saw like a little bubbling

paint on the baseboard or something.

I was like, oh, this is a sign of, of maybe water intrusion.

I'm gonna test behind the wall.

So I'd actually put like a little hole in the wall.

It's like the size of a. Like a Sharpie pen and you put a, a tube

through the hole and you pull air from behind the wall, right?

So the, the idea is water and moisture is the precursor to mold growth.

You can't see mold a lot of the times 'cause it's hidden

and the reason it's hidden.

Is because behind the wall, less airflow, less dilution, more humidity

will build up in there because you're not getting the air to move.

And so you might have a moisture issue that on the front side

of the wall just looks like a little tiny bubble in the paint.

But on the backside, because it can't aerate out and it can't

like move very well, it starts to manifest back behind the wall, right?

And so that's how most problems happen.

And so.

I would do that, I would test that, and then I would just go walk two feet

away and I would put an air sample pump up at like air quality monitoring

level, like all these other people did.

78% of the time when there was a problem in the wall, two feet away, the air

sample that was just in the middle of the room said there was no problem.

it's just fundamentally the wrong type of test to be using in that

space because you have a lot of, there's a lot of variability.

What's floating around in the five minutes?

Right.

Was somebody in the room jumping around or was the room pretty subtle?

There's so much that goes into it.

And when you think about it, and if you, it's funny 'cause a lot of this

stuff, if you just think about it, like, and you, and you get a, like a

logical frame around it and then you rethink about what's being, you're

like, oh, of course that doesn't work.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's like, so I, so I use this example all the time.

My office is upstairs in my house, kitchen, obviously downstairs, right?

And so when my wife is cooking.

It smells really good downstairs, right?

Where does it not smell?

In my office upstairs.

Does that mean that she's not cooking?

No.

It just means that the air has diluted enough by the time it gets to my

office that I'm not smelling it.

And then as soon as I walk out my office and start getting closer, I start noticing

the smell a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit

more, and all the way until I get all the way down there and it's like a lot, right?

So as air moves further from the source.

It gets diluted with the other air in the house, and then you're

gonna not notice the things that are there that you would otherwise.

It doesn't mean it's not there, and it doesn't mean that if I don't

walk into the other room, I would be exposed to the smell right.

I would be right, but just at that moment in time in the office where

I am, because the air isn't moving up here as strong as it is to the

loft or whatever, I don't smell it.

Right.

And it's exactly what happens with mold issues in a house.

And so what you need to do is you need to find all the stoves, all the pots that

are cooking, not test in my office 20 feet away, where the air's gonna get diluted.

And at that point, you're gonna find all the little kitchens where

everything is going on, and all of that together adds up into the main space,

and that's what you're exposed to.

But the problem with mold is that you can't smell it.

So like with my wife cooking, I can smell it.

Right, but with mold, you can't smell it.

And so what happens?

You get all this invisible particle flow that comes from these colonies where

they were growing and releasing spores and even toxins and things like that,

and that gets into your airflow in your house and you have no idea and you can't

smell it, and it adds up and it adds up.

Yeah, and the fact that it can go undetected by smelling, you know,

because I know some people will say, oh, I could smell mold in this house.

Maybe a type of mold.

I don't, I don't know if that's.

Well, that's a fair question.

And so, or comment.

And so mold will have a smell, but only when it's actively growing.

Ah.

I see.

It's its digestive process.

Just like how we digest food and have to go to the bathroom.

Right.

And then there's a smell that comes from that.

Like this is kind of the same thing that happens, right?

Now if mold is not actively growing, it's not actively digesting

anything and it's not off-gassing anything as a result of that.

The thing though is that mold doesn't have to be actively growing for the

particles and the toxins and the things to come off the colony and still impact us.

And so most times you're not gonna smell something because most times

there's not an active moisture issue.

That's going on.

Right?

So the reason that, that, that the mold will be actively growing or eating

is because the moisture is there.

That's almost like a light switch that turns it on.

It's like, oh, moisture's here.

Factory's in operation today.

Right?

And then as soon as the moisture goes away, it's like all the work is checked

out for the day and left, and they come back when the water comes, right?

And they start working.

But like that example I gave you with the sink cabinet where there was, you

know, a, a garbage disposal that leaked or whatever, that happened one time.

It leaked, caused a problem.

Water dried out the, it never came back again.

So you're not gonna have the odor or the smell 'cause it's

not gonna be active again.

But if it grew, it doesn't go anywhere.

It's like a plant or a flower.

Like you plant a flower, the flower grows.

You stop watering the plant.

The plant doesn't like get up and like grab its kids and go

look for another river somewhere.

Like that's not what it does, right?

It folds over, it gets dry.

The leaves start to break off.

Like and imagine instead of leaves and flower petals breaking off.

It's pieces of the colony breaking off and then they move into the airstream

of the

just, they just somehow find their way around eventually and yeah.

So does it sound like.

The testing gets done in a bunch of different places, and I definitely want

you to let us know, like, you know, tell us a little bit about the dust

test and, and where people can actually go do something about this right now.

Yeah.

So there, there's a couple paths.

So the dust test is an at-home test kit, right?

So this isn't where you need an like an inspection company to

come in your house or do anything.

You literally order this kit comes to your house.

Now I've been talking about how like air, there's variability in the air, right?

'cause you're diluting from the source.

Well, the thing about dust and there's, uh, you know, studies and stuff that

support this gravity is gonna bring particle down to the surface in a house.

So you eliminate the variability of what happens to be floating around right now

because you're going straight to the collection source where it all settles.

And so what the dust test allows you to do is, is think of like a Swiffer pad.

Effectively.

That's basically what it looks like, and you're just dusting your house.

Like it's not hard.

You just collect dust from the house.

And the goal is to understand what's the composition of the dust.

And so it's analyzing 36 different mold species that were, um, identified

in an EPA study as the most prevalent in homes in the early two thousands.

And it's then letting you know how many of them are present, how many

are elevated, kind of how, what's, how do you rank compared to other homes.

It kind of gives, like a scoring system is tied to it.

Um, and just from that, you're gonna be able to see like, so that it's a,

it's a, a scoring system, one to five.

So just from that, you're gonna be, oh, am I a four or a five?

Like, okay, I have a, a relatively significant issue going on here,

and you know that you're not gonna get to a four or a five.

By only having one or two things in your house, right?

So like you can, you can kind of start to understand high level,

like kind of what's my risk here?

Like, like how significant may an issue be.

Right?

The other really cool thing with the dust test is if you had done clinical

mycotoxin testing, let's say you can actually in, in our portal where we

deliver results, we'll ask you like, Hey, have you done any, any of these tests?

You'll be like, oh yeah, I used X lab to do it.

Okay, cool.

Um, select that lab and which toxins were elevated.

Oh, aflatoxin, reine, whatever it was.

Just, you just check the ones that were elevated, and then when we report

back in your portal with all your results, we're, we're gonna show you the

molds in your house that are directly correlating to what's in your body.

So now it's not this question of like, well, is my house causing it?

I don't know what these molds are.

It's gonna say, Hey, here's your score of kind of the load in your house.

And then you also have 12 molds in your house that are directly

tied to what's in your body.

Right?

And it's gonna really help give somebody.

Clarity around like the need to have to do something or not.

Right?

And I, and that's always what was missing, is just like, I

don't know if I have a problem.

Do I have a problem?

Do I not have a problem?

And with this, it's like very clear, there is something here, it's

correlated to what's in your body.

If you've, if you've done that test, you don't have to have done a clinical test.

You could still run it without, but if you did, you can get that extra

layer and then it helps you understand.

Okay, so.

Now that I know that there's something here that's at least like meaningful,

like I understand that I need to kind of like dig into it more.

And then that's where you get into like the, like the more specific

testing throughout a house and that that's where like we inspect

or something would come in.

And so the goal there is to diagnose where it's coming from.

So we call this exposure mapping.

So when we go through a house, we don't actually really think

of what we do as inspections.

We think of what we do as exposure mapping.

And so if you, when you're talking about exposure mapping, you're what?

The way that we look at, it's that you're reverse engineering from

your nose and your mouth to origin.

Right.

So it's almost like when you do like goal setting and stuff,

you're like, where do I want to be?

And then how do I, how do I get there?

And you reverse engineer the steps to get there, right?

It's the same concept.

So like what's getting up to my face?

That's the equivalent of your dust test, right?

Now, where is it coming from?

You start reverse engineering the paths that it gets to there.

And so it's your heating ventilation system that's circulating everything

around, and then it, it backs down into the sources like this wall,

this ceiling, this cabinet, whatever.

And you effectively go through this exposure mapping process.

And that's what helps us to then prioritize the areas that are most

needed to address, to reduce, uh, you know, reduce your exposure.

it's interesting.

I could see it.

So, um, it makes sense.

I mean, it sounds like the dust test is something that

probably all should get aware of.

I mean, it's kind of like the toxin test that we talk about here, you know, MD

Lifespan does, is once you know your data inside of you, what's happening,

then you could do something about it.

You can figure out the next steps, what that, whatever that is.

It's, it's, yeah, it's the same thing.

You know what's interesting?

Like, you know a lot, a lot of us have heard the, the phrase terrain theory.

Um, so you have germ theory, terrain theory, right?

And the idea is that like terrain theory means if you have like a

healthy functioning body, that it will fight things off more effectively.

So you want your terrain to be strong.

well if you think terrain theory and think of our bodies living in a house,

the house is the secondary terrain.

That our body is in.

So your house is actually influencing your internal terrain, which is then

influencing your resiliency to fight things off or to not fight things off.

So it's actually a, a, a very well known understood concept of like the environment

of a place, except terrain theory is the internal environment of the body, right?

But what environment does that body live in?

And we know that you get three direct body system impacts from.

That area, like we talked about before.

So dual terrain theory, I think is the future of really being able to

optimize our bodies by understanding its exposure to get our internal terrain to

be optimized property, to then to then thrive and be, and, and, and, you know,

uh, be resilient and all that stuff when it comes to, you know, health, illness,

chronic disease, and all that stuff.

where can people, I guess, give us some resources really fast of where people

can go, you know, snag the test and, and, uh, you mentioned a few other,

uh, things as well, like we inspect.

Yeah, so, so the at-home test kit, it's such an easy thing.

Like, I would just start with this.

It's, it's called the dust test.

Is that easy?

The dust test.com.

There it is.

So, so that's all you have to write.

Um, and it's, I will say this like anyone who.

You leave your house and you feel better on vacation, then you come

back and you don't, there's probably something happening in your house.

You have multiple people in your home that all have like different symptoms,

but they're not really related.

There's probably something in your house that's triggering that you have

some sort of chronic thing that no matter how much you try to like treat

it, it continuously is a problem.

You probably have something going on in your house, right?

So if you just fall into any one of those three categories.

Like, do the dust test.

It can literally save you 3, 5, 10 years in trying to figure out

like what is causing your issues.

Right.

And it's such a, it's such an easy thing to do.

So that's the dust test.

And then we inspect is our, is our, uh, national, you know, inspection exposure

mapping company that I talked about.

And so we service the entire us.

We work with doctors all over the country.

They refer all their patients to us everywhere.

And we go in and, and do this process and help them kind of figure out where things

are, map it for them, prioritize it for them, and help them get, you know, the

path that they need that balances out.

Like expenses versus impact, right?

'cause that's so important.

Like it's not gut your whole house, it's where the couple things that are, that are

gonna drive the biggest impact for you.

It's, it's crazy.

I mean, I'm gonna snag the, the dust test right away because

like the fact that I know.

My own toxin level, at least before TPEI can have a map.

And I know my, you know, my wife also did a toxin.

So it's, it's actually interesting 'cause we had different molds, which were ironic,

you know, and we've lived together for, I don't know, it was 15 plus years now.

So it's like, that's an interesting one too.

Well, you know, I, so we see that a lot.

Like I'll see a whole family does does it, right?

And you have the wife and the husband and the kids, and you might have

like a couple overlapping ones.

And then there's others that are only in one and not the other.

One.

Right.

And it goes to the fact that our bodies are all very different.

And so you have genetic makeup, you have previous exposures in life that are gonna

make you more sensitive to a certain kind of mold than somebody else Would

you have your current health position?

Like if you, you know, have Lyme disease right now, like your body

burden's already a lot higher than somebody who doesn't, right?

And so you have all these things that will let certain things show up in somebody

that's not gonna show up in somebody else.

And it's common, it's not uncommon, right?

So you do see that.

If that makes sense.

And it's, yeah, that blew us away.

Coffee was a common one, so we're like, oh, okay.

You know, the alpha toin, you know, like, okay, well I can probably

do something with that, you know?

Yeah, no, the listen, the food, like obviously you want to, you know, my water

is for me personally and water's on point.

Uh, you know, my coffee is, is, is non no mycotoxin coffee.

Like there's things that you can do, but when you think of like.

In your house, you take, or just in a day, you take 20,000 breaths every day.

20,000. That's the equivalent of filling the volume of like a normal sized

swimming pool in someone's backyard.

Okay?

That's how much, that's how much air comes into your body consistently.

Like imagine going out to the pool in your backyard and instead of it being

clean and blue, it's like green and gross.

And then I tell you, you have to drink the whole thing and

then tomorrow it's full again.

I'm like, you have to go drink it again today.

You have to go drink it again today.

The volume that's coming in from the air compared to the volume that's coming in

from food and water, it's not even close.

Right.

And it doesn't mean that one's more, you know, that the food and

water's not important of course.

Right.

But it's, I, I, when I give these examples, I just want to kind of give

visualizations to not discount the air.

'cause I actually think it's the most important thing, but I think it gets

discounted a lot 'cause you can't see it.

And it's just not as, you know, not as prevalently talked about, right.

But when you like understand like the volume of what you're taking in and

how it impacts your body in multiple ways, you kind of get the comparisons.

Just wanna bring more awareness to the importance of it because

fixing and tweaking that can have like a profound impact on health.

to, to wrap this up, like gimme a, it's almost like a fire session of

like, what are the most actionable things that you would recommend that

you want people to remember and do after they walk away from this chat?

Yeah.

Well first let's talk about like a couple things you can

do to reduce exposure, right?

Like, one thing I don't want to do is like, hey, here's, here's something to

be concerned about and like, come off with nothing that you could do about it.

So, um.

Yeah, so I mean, there's some easy things that you do.

The first thing we talk about air filtration huge, right?

So again, if we're talking about, we get exposed 'cause we breathe, then we say

the next path back as you expose your mat back is what's floating in the air, right?

And so if I can reduce what's floating in the air, then that's

gonna help reduce what I'm exposed to.

So air filtration is gonna pull out of the air and help reduce some of that.

So that's, that's one thing you can do, a second thing you can

do, and it's really easy to do.

Um, it's kinda like the poor man's air flushing is kind

of like how I refer to it.

Um, but we talked earlier about like how homes are, are more heavily

contaminated than the outside just because of, you know, the time

we spend, how it's all closed.

If you open a door window in the front of the house and door

window in the back of the house.

You're gonna create a natural air flush throughout the house.

You're gonna create a natural air dilution where you're pulling in

out and you're outputting what's in the house outta the back, basically.

Um, and it doesn't have to be long.

You could do it for like 10 minutes, right?

Do it for 10 minutes, maybe once or twice a day.

And you actually can get a really good amount of air dilution and

airflow that comes out like that.

And that's such like an easy way to just sort of like if the pollution

in your house is getting more and more and more, because we have

all the things in the house, like, okay, I'm gonna do an air flush.

And I'm gonna move it from like, you know, 90% down here a little bit, right?

Then that allows to then reduce what's in the air, which is

getting to your face, right?

So the whole goal is like less air bound into our face.

So you got air filtration, you got air, you know, air flushes, air

dilution, quick things you could do.

The third thing is, and the reason that.

The dust test has dust is because settled dust is what pops up into our breathing

zone, and that's what we're exposed to.

So the third thing that you can do is do really frequent dust

cleanings throughout the house.

If dust is the path to the air that then gets to our face, then

by removing the dust, you have less to pop up into the air, which is

then less to pop into your face.

So if you just think like, frequent, you know, dust, dust wiping, dust

cleanings throughout the house.

Couple air flushes in a day and air filtration units in.

That is a really good way to just kind of manage some things as, as you're

working towards, you know, trying to get a more permanent solution.

That's awesome, man.

And, uh, the, the air flush.

I'm like, I naturally will do that sometimes, but now, like I, I do it in the

mornings typically, you know, and just, it's a little chillier, but it's fine.

You know, it just, it's, it's, but now, like you said, multiple times a day,

I mean, you could just on those, you probably can smell the difference in

some cases, but just know, like, yeah.

Stuff's getting flushed out.

It could be

Yeah, I mean, you probably do it 'cause subconsciously it feels good,

Correct.

Yeah.

And there, you know, your body knows a lot of stuff that your

brain doesn't register, you know?

And so, and so you have like this natural inclination to do this, to

get outside, to do these things.

And it's a way that you could kind of draw it in.

Yeah.

Hmm.

I love it, man.

Well, thanks for leaving us with that, with the actual tips, Brian.

And again, we'll link everything up.

It's gonna be super useful.

Don't just take this information and store it that way, share

it, and do something about it.

So, all right, Brian, have a great one.

Thank you.