“What's wrong with being just a normal church?” That’s the question at the center of Thomas Austin’s song, Normal Church.

In this episode, Karl Vaters interviews Thomas Austin about the content of his song, including where the idea for it came from, some of the criticism he’s received for it, and what message he’s trying to convey through it.

Some of what comes through in this conversation includes:

• Thomas’ love for the church
• His (and Karl’s) desire to see normal churches not try to be something they’re not
• The problems that happen when normal churches try to copy the megachurch model
• The desire for authenticity among younger generations

And more.

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