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Ready to travel down under for some plant-powered rock? Today, we introduce you to Keith Jeffrey and his band, Atlas Genius!
Not only do they create incredible music, but they also embrace a plant-based lifestyle while touring the world. In this episode, we dive into:
- Why three Aussie brothers ditched meat for veganism
- Their favorite plant-based eats on the road
- How their lifestyle influences their music & ethics
The world needs more broc and rock stars like Keith Jeffrey who aren't afraid to amplify their ethics and their music. It’s a conversation about passion, purpose, and making choices that align with who you are.
(Plus, stick around till the end—we’re playing one of my favorite Atlas Genius tracks!)
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Transcripts
Rey.
Speaker A:I'm Rheb Esselstyn and you're listening to the Plan Strong podcast.
Speaker A:Today you're going to travel down under with me to the land of Australia to meet a powerhouse of plant based music.
Speaker A:I can't wait to introduce you to Keith Jeffrey and the music of his band, Atlas Genius.
Speaker A:I'll have that right after this message from Plantstrong.
Speaker A:Today is going to be a fun episode.
Speaker A:My Plan Strong.
Speaker A:Brothers and sisters, let me give you the backstory here.
Speaker A:Several months ago, I received an email from a gentleman named Steve Jeffrey from the Adelaide, Australia band Atlas Genius.
Speaker A:Love that name.
Speaker A:They're not only distinguished by their musical talent, but also by their commitment to a plant based lifestyle.
Speaker A:And they wanted to send me a big thank you for all the work that I'm doing and the messages that I'm spreading.
Speaker A:So naturally, I wanted to ask them to be on the show and share their journey and their music with us.
Speaker A:Today I speak with Keith, the lead singer, songwriter and guitarist for the band, and he shares how this lifestyle choice intertwines with their artistic identity and their personal values.
Speaker A:I wanted to know how they navigate their eating with such a vigorous touring schedule and how he feels about the societal perceptions of masculinity and diet, particularly in Australia, where the idea of needing meat to be strong persists like nobody's business.
Speaker A:I sincerely appreciated his perspective.
Speaker A:This one.
Speaker A:At the end of the episode, we even get a little funky as my producer, Carrie pops in to share one of my favorite songs called Nobody Loves like you, which is off their latest record called End of the Tunnel.
Speaker A:I know you're gonna enjoy this one and if you feel like it, be sure to get up and dance.
Speaker A:Keith Jeffrey, thank you for joining me from the dad.
Speaker A:The down.
Speaker A:Thank you for joining me from the land down under.
Speaker B:Yes, it's nice to.
Speaker B:Nice to be here with you from down under.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I appreciate you kind of waking up at the crack of dawn.
Speaker B:Well, I'm a musician, R.I.P.
Speaker B:so you know, early mornings are not my friend, but you got it.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, so it doesn't come with the territory.
Speaker B:I will say I'm more of a morning person now than I used to be.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Yeah, when I was younger we used to play gigs till three in the morning and so.
Speaker A:So if you're playing a gig till three in the morning, does that mean that you're getting up at 1pm or noon?
Speaker B:Probably 11.11ish.
Speaker B:Back in the day.
Speaker B:Which, which I didn't like because, you know, you've missed half the day.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That was the trade off with being a musician.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:Well, just so everybody knows.
Speaker A:So Keith Jeffrey is the.
Speaker A:The lead singer and guitarist for Atlas Genius.
Speaker A:You guys hail out of Adelaide, Australia.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And you guys, you know, in, in doing my homework, I.
Speaker A: f really cracked the scene in: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And all of a sudden you guys became a worldwide sensation.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Reached number four on the Billboard alternative song charts and like, wow.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:And I'm sure from there that kind of, you know, changed your life.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was kind of out of the blue because as musicians you work a lot on songs that nobody ever hears and.
Speaker B:Or nobody wants to hear.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And I was, I was in my.
Speaker B:I was 31, I think, when.
Speaker B:Or 30 when we finished Trojans.
Speaker B:So I'd kind of given up on the idea of it being a career.
Speaker B:I mean, a career that I was happy with.
Speaker B:So I went back to school, I was studying architecture when Trojans did its thing.
Speaker B:So that was the universe interjecting and saying, let's keep going with this music that you've been doing.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And so, I mean, so since.
Speaker A:So when did you start your kind of music career?
Speaker A:And would you say that you've been doing it kind of full.
Speaker A:You've been a full time musician up until that.
Speaker A:I mean, up until now or not?
Speaker B:Yeah, I.
Speaker B:So I have been a full time musician since I was 19.
Speaker B:So I had it.
Speaker B:I had a couple of jobs when I was a kid.
Speaker B:So my first job, which I think is partly the reason why we're indirectly, while we're sitting here right now, you and I talking, is that my first job was at KFC when I was 15.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:And then I worked in a supermarket.
Speaker B:So that was a couple of years at KFC and then a couple years at a supermarket.
Speaker B:And then, then music took over and I was able to play gigs and pay the bills without having to work for the man, so to speak.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:Well, and so what happened is it was probably a couple weeks ago I got a letter from.
Speaker A:I think it's your brother Stephen.
Speaker B:Yeah, right, my middle brother.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so he sent me a really nice email telling me about, you know, you guys and how the.
Speaker A:The whole band is.
Speaker A:Is vegan.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And how you guys have kind of successfully navigated, I think, being vegan and being musicians over the years.
Speaker A:And so I would.
Speaker A:I would love to kind of jump into.
Speaker A:Well, for starters.
Speaker A:So it Sounds like you had a very interesting KFC experience.
Speaker A:But, but is there anything like what drove maybe you in particular to the vegan lifestyle?
Speaker B:So growing up I didn't like me, I just, it was something I just didn't.
Speaker B:Even as a little kid I was just, it was something I if was ever cooked, which was rare in our family.
Speaker B:But if it was, if it was me, I didn't like it.
Speaker B:And my parents actually followed the Pritikin diet when we were growing up.
Speaker B:So Nathan Pritikin, right.
Speaker B:So my dad went deep on that because he lost his dad at 51 of a heart attack when.
Speaker B:So my dad was 18 and all of a sudden his dad passed 51.
Speaker B:He was on holidays in Perth apparently and he was.
Speaker B:Went for a run.
Speaker B:His doctor had given him the all clear the week before.
Speaker B: This is in: Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And then he dropped dead of a heart attack.
Speaker B:And my dad was just like, well, obviously grief stricken.
Speaker B:But then after that, once the grief had kind of subsided a little bit, it was like anger of like why was my dad taken at a pretty young age and seemingly like he looked healthy from photos that I've seen and from what my dad said.
Speaker B:So that set him off on a path.
Speaker B:And then in the 70s, I guess, you know, a few years after losing his dad, he was listening to a radio program and this guy, Nathan Pritikin was, was being interviewed on an Australian radio station talking about this diet where you cut out the majority of animal fats.
Speaker B:I think, I think Predikin prescribed small amounts of meat.
Speaker B:I think it was like 200 grams a week or something like that.
Speaker B:But then cutting out dairy, cutting out oils.
Speaker B:He was very strict.
Speaker B:I mean really probably to too strict, but, but that kind of.
Speaker B:So growing up we were kind of living that lifestyle with the odd bit of meat occasionally, but I hated it.
Speaker B:And then I was.
Speaker B:And then it, then you go into your teens and then you've got some disposable income because you know you've got your first job working at KFC and.
Speaker B:And so, you know, you'd buy burgers and whatever.
Speaker B:So I was definitely not vegan during that period.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And so it was only until my, about my 30th year when I actually we watched forks over knives, which is kind of the funny things that would be sitting here now talking to you.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:How many, how many brothers, sisters do you have in your family?
Speaker B:So there's just three of us.
Speaker B:Three brothers in total.
Speaker A:Three brothers.
Speaker A:You're one of Those brothers.
Speaker A:So three in total.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I'm the elder.
Speaker B:Stephen, who emailed you, is the middle.
Speaker B:And Michael, my drummer, is the youngest.
Speaker B:So they're.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:None of them eat meat.
Speaker B:My parents don't.
Speaker B:My.
Speaker B:My grandparents didn't.
Speaker B:I've got one grandmother left.
Speaker B:She's vegan as well.
Speaker B:She's 96.
Speaker B:And my uncle and auntie and cousins are also vegan as a result of watching forks over knives about, I don't know, 13 years ago.
Speaker B:14.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, no, you're exactly right.
Speaker A: It came out in: Speaker A:And growing up in Australia, I mean, Australia, I think, is very similar to the United States as the, The.
Speaker A:I think the prevailing attitude amongst most people that you need meat in order to be manly and to be strong.
Speaker A:And I've heard that Australians, next to the Americans, have some of the highest rates of heart disease, cancer, type 2 diabetes, elevated, you know, blood pressure, all those things.
Speaker A:Is that.
Speaker A:Is that what you see from where you sit in Adelaide?
Speaker B:Yeah, it is.
Speaker B:There is this really strong idea, I mean, it's been around forever, that to be a man is to have steak and protein.
Speaker B:And if you're going to go to the gym, well, then you need to be eating a bunch of whey protein and a bunch of meat and the best food.
Speaker B:Like, I've got friends who.
Speaker B:I go to the local gym.
Speaker B:I've got friends who go there a lot.
Speaker B:They're big bodybuilders and that they're all about just chicken and beef and.
Speaker B:And that's what it is to be a man.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:And so it is.
Speaker B: ng because I feel like around: Speaker B:There's the ethics of that.
Speaker B:Then there's also your own personal health.
Speaker B:And it seemed like people were kind of waking up, but I feel like unfortunately I've had friends that were sort of going down that path too.
Speaker B:They might have been pescatarian or they might have been vegetarian, whatever.
Speaker B:And they've.
Speaker B:A lot of them have sort of stepped back and gone back.
Speaker B:They've gone backwards into just eating meat again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Australia is like America, because I've spent a lot of time in America, obviously, and there.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's that prevailing attitude.
Speaker A:Well, and unfortunately, there's.
Speaker A:There's so much confusion out there for the.
Speaker A:The layperson and so much distractions with, you know, high protein, low carb, you know, the newest iterations of Atkins, which are now, you know, the paleo and then the carnivore and now the lion and the caveman diet.
Speaker A:And so people don't think.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Don't you think that it's, it's a deliberate muddying of the waters so that you just, you don't even.
Speaker B:There's so many options and they all have like a compelling story and then you're like, oh, I guess I'll just do what I'm.
Speaker B:What I've always been doing.
Speaker B:Or I'll.
Speaker B:Rather than making it like the clear, like, Michael Greger is great, but no, not enough of my friends know about Michael Greeger.
Speaker B:And talking about these, like, if you look at these studies, this is all bullshit, you know, like, but there's this deliberate mudding of the waters.
Speaker B:Like just, you know what?
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:People just give up.
Speaker A:Well, it's funny, I don't know if it's a deliberate muddying of the waters or if it's just people that are trying to carve a niche in a space and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Make a make, make a living, make, you know, tons of money off of it because everybody, everybody wants to eat.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Or everybody needs to eat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, and when you tell somebody that you can eat foods that you love, you can have your steak and you can have your butter and you can have your, your eggs, you know, I think people, unfortunately, they want to hear that message.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you're right.
Speaker B:It's a very easy sell.
Speaker B:Continue to do what you're doing and we'll call it this.
Speaker B:Just take one, one thing out and then keep doing everything else.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, hey, I wanna, I wanna come back to your, your veganism because that's going to be the thread that comes through this, this talk with you.
Speaker A:But I want to go back to your music for a second.
Speaker A: d or I should say came out in: Speaker A:You just came out with a, a new album called End of the Tunnel that came out in September 6th of this year.
Speaker A:You had a nine year hiatus.
Speaker A:Any particular reason why?
Speaker A:Nine years?
Speaker A:Or is it just.
Speaker A:That's just how it happened?
Speaker B:Definitely was not a planned nine year hiatus.
Speaker B:And it wasn't a hiatus in the sense that we took time off music because we were making music the whole time and we were touring.
Speaker B:Up until the pandemic, we were still touring.
Speaker B:We were living in Los Angeles.
Speaker B:We lived there for about eight years.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B: put out the second record in: Speaker B:Because it had been two years or a year and a half since the first record.
Speaker B:And I was like, oh, that's so long.
Speaker B:A year and a half.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And not knowing what would happen, of course.
Speaker B: to put out another record in: Speaker B:18.
Speaker B:We had.
Speaker B:We toured a lot on the second record, and then we got dropped by Warner Brothers after a year because we didn't have a number one single on the second record.
Speaker B:The ruthlessness of the industry is.
Speaker B:Well, you did have a song that got to number 10, top 10 on the second record, but that's not enough.
Speaker B:We wanted a number one.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:See you later.
Speaker B:So we're kind of in the wilderness for a little bit there.
Speaker B:Looking for a new label.
Speaker B:We did.
Speaker B:We found a new label.
Speaker B:Then we changed managers, and then we changed labels, we changed managers, and we toured a lot.
Speaker B:And then the Pandemic came along.
Speaker B:I mean, it was a combination of just.
Speaker B:It was like Spinal Tap, I think, in some ways.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like you.
Speaker B:You see.
Speaker B:I mean, Spinal Tap is the most accurate documentary, I feel like, even though it is a mockumentary, it seems sometimes like, you know, blueprint for what happens.
Speaker B:And so it was just a combination of bad management, bad label, bad moves on our part.
Speaker B:And then we were about.
Speaker B: beginning of the pandemic in: Speaker B: put that out and then tour in: Speaker B:And then, of course, we all went into lockdown.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I want to say I have not listened to the new album yet, but what I have done is I've listened to a couple so tongues, and I literally.
Speaker A:I'm not kidding you, Keith, when I say I have listened to Nobody Loves like you probably 50 times in the last two days, I cannot tell you how much that just.
Speaker A:It feels just so right in.
Speaker A:In every cell of my body.
Speaker A:I love that song.
Speaker B:I'm glad to hear it.
Speaker B:I feel.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That song is probably.
Speaker B:Probably my favorite on the record.
Speaker A:It's so good.
Speaker A:It's so good.
Speaker A:Tell me, Atlas Genius, what's with the name?
Speaker A:I'm sure you've told this story a jillion times, but I've never heard it.
Speaker B:Oh, I've told many stories about the band.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:Many different stories.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:In truth, I had a list of names for just.
Speaker B:I guess, just for a project that would come along.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because we were making music under different band names growing up, and I just had a list of, I don't know, maybe 15 band names on my phone.
Speaker B:And we finished Trojans, and it was the first song of this new batch of songs we were doing.
Speaker B:And we thought, we should put this out.
Speaker B:We need a band name.
Speaker B:What are we going to call it?
Speaker B:And it was just.
Speaker B:I went to this list, and Atlas Genius stood out to me as there was just something that sounded big and classic.
Speaker B:And I don't remember writing it down.
Speaker B:I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote Atlas Genius down.
Speaker B:So I've bullshitted many times and told all these stories about.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:What it means, but I just.
Speaker B:It was in a list of names I'd written down, and I don't know what I was doing.
Speaker B:Could have been driving, could have been running, I'm not sure.
Speaker B:And I'd written it down, and Atlas Juniors felt right for that song.
Speaker B:And so there wasn't a whole lot of, like, you know, And I think that's.
Speaker B:People don't realize, but to be honest, like, when people choose band names, it's.
Speaker B:It's a.
Speaker B:It's a pretty rare.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:It's a random thing.
Speaker B:You kind of like what feels right or what or what sounds cool or whatever.
Speaker B:And it just felt like it fit what we were doing.
Speaker B:And so we chose it.
Speaker B:And then we went.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Bigger thing than we anticipated.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, it's.
Speaker A:It's fun.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I think it's incredible.
Speaker A:I was just on a phone call right before we were talking, and we're trying to get our.
Speaker A:We're trying to find a new sales management team, and I was talking to my VP of sales, and I said, I got to jump off this call.
Speaker A:I'm actually going to be talking to the lead singer, guitarist for Atlas Genius.
Speaker A:He's like, you got to be kidding me at this.
Speaker A:Genius.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, I love those guys.
Speaker A:I can't say that I love them, but I love.
Speaker A:Nobody loves like you.
Speaker A:I've heard that thing a jillion times.
Speaker A:And he's like, oh, my God, you're gonna love these guys.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then I told him that you guys were vegan.
Speaker A:Vegan.
Speaker A:And he had no idea that you guys were vegan as well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B: ber when we first came out in: Speaker B:I would talk about it, and I remember we did a few.
Speaker B:Few podcasts and interview with Peter.
Speaker B:I think at one point, whatever.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But you'd start to piss off people because if, you know, if you don't eat meat, then you're oh great.
Speaker B:But if you do eat meat, there's like, shut the up, dude.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Well, okay, so let me ask you a question based upon that comment you just made.
Speaker A:So how, how vocal are you with your audience that you guys, the band Atlas Genius is we're, we're vegan.
Speaker A:We're, we're plant based.
Speaker A:We, you know, we don't engage in.
Speaker A:Not this non violent.
Speaker A:We engage in non violent, a non violent way of eating and we're very proud of it.
Speaker A:Do you guys make that known?
Speaker B:Well, yeah, we did.
Speaker B:I mean that was the early, in the early years we did.
Speaker B:Um, but I just like with fans, I.
Speaker B:Friends as well.
Speaker B:I noticed with quickly, well, probably not quickly enough, but if you would talk about it all the time then people would just, oh, come in, just can we drop this?
Speaker B:And I remember I'd share a lot of things about, you know, like the cruelty to cows and the cruelty to pigs and all this sort of stuff on my social media.
Speaker B:And then I realized the friends that kind of came over to the dark side, I stopped eating meat.
Speaker B:They would, they're the ones that would just hang around and see that we were, we were healthy.
Speaker B:It actually looked pretty good.
Speaker B:The food was, was, you know, good.
Speaker B:And they, then they kind of piqued their interest a bit and they're like, oh, actually I think I might try it for a bit.
Speaker B:And that was.
Speaker B:The successful kind of conversion was just having, just being around people and doing that rather than beating them over the head with the message.
Speaker B:And so, so now I don't take that approach either with, with friends or with fans of the.
Speaker B:It's kind of more of a just do your thing.
Speaker B:If people ask you, of course I'll happily talk about it.
Speaker B:I'll choose someone's ear off if they want to talk about it.
Speaker B:But, but I kind of became less militant because it seemed like it was a more effective approach to just, just do what you do.
Speaker A:I think that, I think, yeah, I think that's really smart.
Speaker A:You know, I think that the, the, the preaching kind of get.
Speaker A:Gets old and tends to backfire more.
Speaker B:Than it helps because.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Because if I stop and think about what I was like when I had.
Speaker B:I remember there were, there was a, there were a couple of girls in high school who were vegetarian and that was, that tended to be the first because as a guy, you know, like we're talking about, you got to eat Your meat.
Speaker B:And I remember kind of thinking, oh, they're a bit weird if they talk about it.
Speaker B:I was like, oh yeah, I don't want to go there.
Speaker B:Even though deep down I knew I didn't feel good about being implicit in the violence of, of farming.
Speaker B:Yeah, I didn't want to hear the message.
Speaker A:Does, does any of your.
Speaker A:So do you call.
Speaker A:Do you refer to yourself as vegetarian?
Speaker A:Vegan.
Speaker A:Vegan.
Speaker A:Vegan.
Speaker B:I guess, I guess plant based now.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Because they just.
Speaker B:Because I think also the problem with terms like vegan is it's become so politicized and so people will just attribute a whole list of other things to you based on the fact that you're using the term vegan.
Speaker B:And I think that's, I mean that's a huge problem in the, the plant based vegan movement is that it shouldn't be politicized.
Speaker B:It's, it's, it's got nothing to do with left.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah, but it seems like, but people feel like it is now.
Speaker B:Like you're a soy boy.
Speaker B:You're, you know, hey, I want to.
Speaker A:Be a soy boy.
Speaker A:That sounds, that sounds kind of sexy.
Speaker A:What does any veganism or, or plant based ism run through any of your songs?
Speaker B:Yeah, there's a, there was a song called City We Grow on the second record that initially we, we were touring the first record and I remember being on the tour bus and our manager at the time said, coca Cola, I want you to write a jingle or a song.
Speaker B:Not a jingle, but a song for this new environmentally friendly plant based.
Speaker B:The bottle was made out of.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know how they did that.
Speaker B:But anyway, we wrote the song, they liked it, but then they scrapped the campaign so the song never got used.
Speaker B:But in my mind it was kind of writing about, you know, plant based and, and you know, not.
Speaker B:Yeah, be a positive new way to.
Speaker B:To live.
Speaker B:That's probably the only song.
Speaker B:There might be something else, but Right where I've sat down to try and write about that kind of topic.
Speaker A:How many members are there in your band also?
Speaker B:Revolving door.
Speaker B:So, so it's always been my, myself and my brother Mike.
Speaker B:Stephen who has come, has been in the band now.
Speaker B:He was in the band years ago and then he's.
Speaker B:He's back in the band.
Speaker B: He's been back since: Speaker B:And then we've had a few other members that have been in for a period and then, you know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Move on.
Speaker A:And, and when that revolving door Opens up.
Speaker A:In order to get through that revolving door, do you have to be plant based?
Speaker B:I, again, was very strict early on.
Speaker B:I remember having band members and like, there was no meat allowed on the rider because, you know, generally you get to a venue, there'd be a platter and there'd be like, you know, some fruit, cheese, and then a bunch of shaved meats.
Speaker B:And I was absolutely hate that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so the ad writer would always say, no, you know, no meat, no cheese.
Speaker B:And sometimes you'd get there and they hadn't read it.
Speaker B:So it was just a typical.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And I'm really pissed off about that.
Speaker B:And, and I.
Speaker B:And we didn't have any meat on the bus, actually.
Speaker B:Well, we still wouldn't allow that.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But then you realize, like, it's just.
Speaker B:You just do what you want to do.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:I'm not.
Speaker B:I don't want to sit there with you and smell the freshly cooked steak, ideally.
Speaker B:But you've got to live in this world and you can't be that.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:End of the tunnel.
Speaker A:I have a couple questions about that album.
Speaker A:Number one, I love the name and I love what the name stands for.
Speaker A:Tell the, the, the audience, what does end of the tunnel mean?
Speaker B:A couple of things, I guess.
Speaker B:They're all obviously closely linked.
Speaker B:So the end of the tunnel for us, well, for me, and I'm sure for my brothers, was this period of trying to get the record out, not being able to because contractually we were sort of, I guess, trapped in a record deal where we couldn't see eye to eye on how we wanted to put it out.
Speaker B:Therefore it gets shelved.
Speaker B:I mean, it happens more often than it should in the industry where you've got a body of work but it's owned.
Speaker B:The recording is owned by the record label.
Speaker B:So there was that.
Speaker B:There was also just everything we went through pre, pre pandemic, like, you know, some personal relationship issues that just got really out of hand and then.
Speaker B:And obviously going through the pandemic as musicians where you.
Speaker B:You couldn't do what you did.
Speaker B:I mean, our industry was probably the first to shut down and then the last to open up.
Speaker B:And we're a relatively small group compared to a lot of other industries, so we didn't really have anyone championing the plight of the musician.
Speaker B:So the whole thing, it was just a long period of personal struggle and also, I guess, and also the global struggle that we all went through during that period.
Speaker A:But also, I think it also.
Speaker A:There's an element of hopefulness.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The end of the tunnel, the light at the end of the tunnel and it's going to be okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, that was exactly.
Speaker B:There was the idea that you get through it and what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, hopefully, and you become more resilient.
Speaker B:I mean, and also, I guess, you know, the passing of time, hopefully some maturity and a way of looking at it and going, well, look, this is tough, but there's more to life than just one.
Speaker B:We have all these other aspects to our lives that you can.
Speaker B:And I've been guilty of this, of just focusing on, well, if I can't get the record out, this is the end of the world.
Speaker B:This is, you know, and it can a huge mental toll when you focus on something so much like that.
Speaker B:When it's been a, when your job is also your passion.
Speaker B:That's the, the sort of the, the double edged sword like being a musician.
Speaker B:Like I would do this if I didn't make money from it, because I did for a long time and then.
Speaker B:But when you do have some success with it and it's, you know, it, it affords you the freedom to do it full time.
Speaker B:Then if it feels, if that situation is threatened, that's a really confronting thing to go through.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You as part of your tour for the End of the Tunnel and you guys came to Texas, what cities were you in in Texas?
Speaker B:We did.
Speaker B:It was Austin, Houston and then Dallas.
Speaker B:And I'm not just saying this because you're in Houston.
Speaker B:I mean, but some of my, probably my three favorite shows include as well as Nashville, we did Nashville, then Austin, Houston, Dallas.
Speaker B:And those four shows were just fantastic.
Speaker B:Like crowds were just off the chart.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I wish I would have, I wish I would have known you then.
Speaker A:I would have come to the, to the, to the concert.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:Well, so how do you navigate being on the road?
Speaker A:You know, being on tour and eating this way?
Speaker A:How do you guys make it work?
Speaker B:Well, it's.
Speaker B: a lot easier now than it was: Speaker B:A lot more options.
Speaker B:I mean pretty much every restaurant will have one or two vegan options.
Speaker B:Now if not you're eating the chips, but it's.
Speaker B:I think that it's.
Speaker B:You find those fast food chains that will accommodate you.
Speaker B:Like, you know, no sponsors here, but like, you know, you, you'd regularly go to Chipotle and get the Sofritis bowl.
Speaker B:That would get you through.
Speaker A:Totally.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or what else would we do?
Speaker B:Sweet greens.
Speaker A:I think it was sweet Green.
Speaker B:Yeah, we do the Shroom army sweet green salad.
Speaker B:You just find that.
Speaker B:And Whole Foods, of course, if you were feeling flush with cash, you go to Whole Foods 25 on a salad.
Speaker B:So, you know, you find your routines and, and then there's like, you know, Whole Foods had that.
Speaker B:There's a, a range of vegan smoothie, like, like a protein smoothie.
Speaker B:There's like a whole bunch of flavors.
Speaker B:So you'd get that.
Speaker B:Yeah, I forget the nine.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay, well, I'm gonna come back and ask you some, some more specific questions about food here in a sec.
Speaker A:What, what's the, the, the, the vegan slash plant based scene like in Australia?
Speaker B:It's, it's decent, but again, I feel like it's stalled.
Speaker B:It felt like there was this wave of change happening and there were these restaurants popping up everywhere and then some of those didn't last.
Speaker B:It's like, it's good, it's decent.
Speaker B:Like there's one of my favorite places in the city is called K Pub.
Speaker B:It's Korean, like a Korean barbecue.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But they do, they do the traditional meat, but they also have the other side which is completely vegan menu.
Speaker B:And so you get, you know, the chicken and all that kind of the barbecue that is vegan.
Speaker B:It's their kind of the equivalent of their other side of the menu.
Speaker B:So there are places like that, which is encouraging.
Speaker B:But I do, Yeah, I haven't seen any new spots recently, which for a while I felt like every, every month there was a new spot popping up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I'm not just talking about, you know, the restaurant scene.
Speaker A:I'm just talking about people.
Speaker A:People that, you know in your, maybe in your circles that just are, you know, starting to eat this way.
Speaker A: r Knives and they came out in: Speaker A: Game changers documentary in: Speaker A:Yeah, well, and now you've got, you know, Dan Buettner's Living to 100 on Netflix and you've got a bunch of other documentaries that typically, I think do a much better job of moving the needle than books do.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:Because I mean, you can shape it not just with the words, but you.
Speaker B:If you get the right footage with the right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Inspiring music, etc.
Speaker B:It does, does move that folks overnight was huge for us.
Speaker B:And then Obviously, Game Changers, there's been a few others.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I would love to say that more of my friends are embracing it at the moment, but I feel that there needs to be.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:This, needs to be this new.
Speaker B:Another wave of.
Speaker B:Because Game Changers sort of made sense.
Speaker B:Like you don't need to eat meat.
Speaker B:In fact, you're probably getting better quality protein.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:But at my gymnasium, I don't see anyone.
Speaker A:So in Australia, you know, you got a couple blokes down there that, that are friends of mine that I like.
Speaker A:I'm wondering if you know them or have heard of them.
Speaker A:You ever heard of Paul De Gelder?
Speaker B:I have not.
Speaker A:Okay, well, you should look up Paul De Gelder.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He was the.
Speaker A:In the equivalent of like the Navy SEALS there and they were doing some training in the harbor there where the Sydney Opera House is, and got his.
Speaker A:One of his legs taken off and half of one of his arms by a bull shark.
Speaker A:And he is now the most incredible advocate for sharks.
Speaker A:And he appears on.
Speaker B:Now that you mentioned it.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, but he's.
Speaker A:He, he is, he is.
Speaker A:He's a badass.
Speaker A:He is, he is plant based and, and he's.
Speaker A:He's a, he's a great human being.
Speaker A:And then the other is Simon Hill, who's got a podcast called the Proof and he does amazing work and has written a bunch of books as well.
Speaker A:So anyway, two.
Speaker A:Two people you should, you should look up.
Speaker B:I'll hit them up next time I'm in town.
Speaker A:Yeah, there you go.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:I want to do right now is.
Speaker A:I want to go through.
Speaker A:I'm going to ask you this or that and I'm looking for kind of a.
Speaker A:An answer.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker A:Or neither.
Speaker A:Drugs or alcohol?
Speaker A:Alcohol.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Do you, do you still imbibe?
Speaker A:Do you drink?
Speaker B:A little.
Speaker B:I'm not a big drinker.
Speaker B:I don't have the gene where I can drink a bunch and wake up feeling fine like some of my friends.
Speaker B:So I've always been a bit of a light drinker.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I, I do enjoy a good wine.
Speaker B:Yeah, I would, I would hate to get to that point.
Speaker B:I don't want to just cut it out completely.
Speaker B:Although I, I have dab.
Speaker B:I have.
Speaker B:I have thought about cutting it out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I decide not to.
Speaker A:Yeah, I cut it out about seven years ago.
Speaker A:And you know, I've got three.
Speaker A:Three, three kids.
Speaker A:10, 15 and 17 now, so they've never seen me have a drop of Alcohol and I just want to be a great role model for them like that.
Speaker B:And I do agree that it's something that, oh, clearly a lot of people abuse and it's also.
Speaker B:It's a societal norm that we accept.
Speaker B:We don't accept people smoking meth with, you know, in a.
Speaker B:In the family environment, but we do for some reason accept.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:You know, beer and wine.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I'm.
Speaker B:I'm torn because I feel like I'm.
Speaker B:I'm teetering on the idea of, of cutting it out.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, did you.
Speaker A:Did.
Speaker A:So being in the music.
Speaker A:And I'm going to come back to my little either or so, because we're taking a tangent now, but.
Speaker A:So did you ever have a period where you as a musician were doing a lot of drugs?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Good for you.
Speaker A:And how do you feel that you kind of escaped going down that path?
Speaker B:I was talking to someone recently about this when in high school, they used to do the, the.
Speaker B:They'd get.
Speaker B:I think it was a police officer or would come around, they'd do the presentation and they'd.
Speaker B:And he, like, he'd be Jimmy.
Speaker B:Jimmy was 15 years old and Jimmy only took ecstasy once and then.
Speaker B:And he died, you know, or whoever it was.
Speaker B:And that fear that it instilled, that really, that stuck with me because I know and my mum was.
Speaker B:And still she was always good with that.
Speaker B:I just don't make sure you don't do drugs because, you know, you could die straight away.
Speaker B:So there was, there was that, that fear kind of.
Speaker B:That stuck with me.
Speaker B:And also I don't, I think like the depression of drinking, like if you have a few beers, the blues the next day.
Speaker B:And I can't, I can't imagine how bad that would be if I was to, you know, be a start becoming a regular, you know, user of some substance.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, I'm a regular user of substance called exercise.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it's a daily thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What, what, what do you, what's your preferred, you know, movement of choice?
Speaker B:So every, basically every day I'll walk my two Labradors to the beach and that's about a six kilometer walk.
Speaker B:So, you know, a kilometer to the beach and then a couple of K's along the beach.
Speaker B:So that's about an hour and then I'll go to the gym normally in the afternoon for an hour.
Speaker B:So I kind of get about two hours in a day, which I feel pretty lucky to be able to do.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So your, your golden lab is Rosie and your black lab is Henry.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:What about old floof Marcus?
Speaker B:Yeah, gorgeous boy.
Speaker B:He, we lost him a couple of years ago.
Speaker B:He was nearly 16.
Speaker B:He had a good run and he was, he was plant based.
Speaker B:Actually all the dogs are plant based.
Speaker A:Wow, that's great.
Speaker B:I mean there might be people out there will think that that is animal abuse does not feed your dog's meat.
Speaker B:But they're fine.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So what's interesting is, you know, we throw these six day retreats twice a year and we typically have 70 to 90 people that show up and we don't allow any alcohol on the, on the campus.
Speaker A:No smoking, no Twinkies, no animal products.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And it's amazing.
Speaker A:We have more fun and we laugh harder and we play harder and we dance harder and people at the end, they're like, I can't believe that I was able to laugh, dance, sing, have fun without alcohol.
Speaker A:I've never tried that before in my life.
Speaker A:I mean isn't that just crazy?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Not surprised though.
Speaker B:I don't, I, I think a lot of people feel like they need it as their social lubricant.
Speaker B:I, I, I know that I don't need it.
Speaker B:Like I can go out, not drink and have a great night.
Speaker B:I don't and I don't find that alcohol gives me that buzz that I think I've got some of my friends do, I see that in them.
Speaker B:And I think there's that tendency then to keep going because I do get that, but I don't, I don't feel that.
Speaker B:So I guess that's probably partly why.
Speaker B:Yeah, I become a full blown alcoholic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean because Australians are known for their.
Speaker B:Yeah, well I, I, I'm, I don't fit that.
Speaker B:Yeah, I, I, I was going to say I wish I did, but no, I don't.
Speaker B:My, my dad and mum will get hangovers from one glass of wine.
Speaker B:Like they're lightweight and we're lightweights as well.
Speaker A:So what would you say is the biggest difference?
Speaker A:Because I've never been to Australia or New Zealand.
Speaker A:What's the biggest difference between New Zealanders and Australians?
Speaker B:I really like New Zealanders.
Speaker B:I've known a few.
Speaker B:I dated a New Zealand girl years ago and I've had, got some friends who are from there.
Speaker B:There's always been the rivalry.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because their accent is extreme.
Speaker B:They do have a strong accent, at least to Australian ears it is.
Speaker B:And they do this thing called vowel swapping where like it seems like every vow is in the wrong spot.
Speaker B:Like six becomes socks.
Speaker B:I don't know how that how that happens.
Speaker B:But I, I, I really like New Zealanders.
Speaker B:And I'd say, on average, percentage wise, I've liked more New Zealanders than I have Australians.
Speaker B:So I, I dare I say that.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:But I haven't been there, so I haven't sort of immersed myself in their culture.
Speaker A:Well, and you dated a New Zealander.
Speaker A:Did she just.
Speaker A:Was she in Australia?
Speaker B:No, that was in Los Angeles.
Speaker A:Oh, Los Angeles.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:All right, so let's do our.
Speaker A:Our.
Speaker A:My.
Speaker A:My little game with you.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:Continue.
Speaker A:Okay, here we go.
Speaker A:Here we go.
Speaker A:About.
Speaker A:About 12 of these guys.
Speaker A:Mac or PC?
Speaker B:Mac all the way.
Speaker A:I know, I know, I know.
Speaker A:I, I saw you singing, if so on the side of a cliff.
Speaker A:It was so incredible with that Mac in front of you.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh, Keith, that was like, incredible.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:That was during the pandemic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That footage.
Speaker A:That footage was killer.
Speaker B:Thanks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Elvis or Elton John?
Speaker B:Oh, that's a tough.
Speaker B:I'm gonna go Elvis.
Speaker B:Because, I mean, the originator, the.
Speaker B:I mean, the first rock star.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker A:Oatmeal or avocado toast?
Speaker B:Avocado toast because I grew up eating oatmeal every morning.
Speaker A:Pancakes or waffles?
Speaker B:Waffles, because the.
Speaker B:We didn't grow up with them.
Speaker B:They were not a big thing here.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, probably waffles.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Going to the movie theater or staying home and having.
Speaker A:And watching Netflix.
Speaker B:I don't do it often, but going to the movie theater.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Baseball cap or hoodie?
Speaker B:Baseball cap.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:You're wearing it right now.
Speaker A:Camping or a luxury hotel?
Speaker B:Luxury hotel.
Speaker B:I should.
Speaker B:I should say.
Speaker A:That's funny.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:New York City or the Windy City?
Speaker A:Chicago.
Speaker B:Oh, I like them both.
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker B:And we started our tour in Chicago.
Speaker B:We had a week there.
Speaker B: e moment I first got there in: Speaker B:It blew me away.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:I think I know the answer to this one because we kind of talked about earlier, but alcohol or Wim Hof breathing?
Speaker B:No, Wim Hof breathing.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Great.
Speaker A:Wonderful.
Speaker A:Tofu or chicken?
Speaker B:Well, I mean, it's got to be tofu, doesn't it?
Speaker A:Gotta be tofu.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:And this is the last one for you, my man.
Speaker A:If so.
Speaker A:Or Nobody loves like you.
Speaker B:Nobody loves like you.
Speaker B:It should be a bigger song than.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:If so was a big song for us, but Nobody Loves should have been a bigger song.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:So, Carrie, who's the producer of the podcast and she's listening right now.
Speaker A:Tell me if.
Speaker A:Is there a way that we could insert Nobody Loves like you into this podcast?
Speaker A:Because it's also will play on YouTube and actually embed it so everybody can listen to it.
Speaker A:I, you know, I need to double.
Speaker A:There's a lot of laws with music licensing.
Speaker B:I mean, I know we've got the.
Speaker A:Band leader right here, so.
Speaker B:So I think, well, I think you should be okay.
Speaker B:You should be okay because we own our own publishing and the, the record deal we have, we are, we control those.
Speaker B:So you should be fine.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I always feel like if, if the artist gives permission and you have that, then I don't want to write a.
Speaker B:Million dollar check to BMI or asap.
Speaker B:You should be fine.
Speaker B:I mean, of course there's always the risk that there's some automated pull down thing which frustrates the hell out of us, but yeah, no, I think you should be fine.
Speaker A:Well, well, well.
Speaker A:And this, just so you know, air this.
Speaker A:Don't cut all this.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:No, this is, this is all, this is all very part of the, the interview here because I want people to see it and to hear it and feel what, what I have felt and play that thing 50 times in two days.
Speaker A:Do you know what?
Speaker B:I, I very rarely have liked our music videos we've done to go.
Speaker B:But the video for Nobody Loves, if people want to go check that out.
Speaker B:I really was chuffed with that because it was.
Speaker B:I am barely in it, which is great.
Speaker B:I love when I'm not in it.
Speaker B:And secondly, it just, it reminds me of.
Speaker B:So my, my parents got, my dad got me into music and he was a huge, his huge Beatles fan along with his, his mates.
Speaker B:And so it just reminds you of that era with those, those kids dancing from the 50s.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, in the Voice, in the beginning of that video too, it sounds like David Letterman.
Speaker B:So that is David Letterman.
Speaker B: So we, so we did letterman in: Speaker B:And he retired shortly after I think that year.
Speaker A:And then didn't you do Jimmy Fallon as well?
Speaker B:We, we did the whole set.
Speaker B:We did Fallon, Kimmel twice, Cordon Conan twice.
Speaker B:Yeah, we even, we even did Arsenio hall because he came back for one season.
Speaker B:He did, he did that and we did.
Speaker B:And Jay Leno.
Speaker B:Jay Leno, I will say.
Speaker B:Yeah, was the nicest guy.
Speaker B:Yeah, I, I just, I mean they're all were nice, but he was above and beyond nice at the day we played.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We found out that morning before we got to the studio that they just announced that he was going to be, you know, let go, that they were ending, and we're like, oh, God, what's the vibe going to be like?
Speaker B:Because, you know, the dude's just.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Had his.
Speaker B:Had his show canceled, and he was great.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:He didn't phase him.
Speaker A:On every one of those shows.
Speaker A:Did you play Trojans?
Speaker A:It was like.
Speaker A:Was that the.
Speaker A:The hit at the time?
Speaker B:No, no, we did Trojans on the first few, and then we moved on.
Speaker B:The next single was if so.
Speaker B:So I think on.
Speaker B:On Letterman, we did.
Speaker B:If so.
Speaker B:On Kimmel, I think we.
Speaker B:Fallon, I think we did if so.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Then we did the songs from the next record a few times.
Speaker B:So it was.
Speaker B:We did probably four or five tracks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you mentioned, like, you know, Coca Cola approached you about doing a, you know, a little jingle for something that they had.
Speaker A:Have you been fortunate enough, I would imagine, to, like, have any of your songs be in commercials or in movies or things like that where.
Speaker B:We have.
Speaker B:We've had.
Speaker B:We've had songs in, like.
Speaker B:There was actually a Chipotle commercial a couple of years ago.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Things here and there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I remember, though, we got approached early on to be.
Speaker B:To do this big campaign for Uggs, because we're Australian and they're Australian and they're like, oh, this makes sense.
Speaker B:You know, Two Aussie brands.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, but that's, like, that's sheepskin or, you know, that's.
Speaker B:No, we're not doing that.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:We turned down a check for that one because I just.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:And also, I wasn't a fan of Bugs.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, you know what?
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I appreciate your ethics, you know.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:It just didn't feel right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, hey, you know, Keith, Jeffrey, this has been an absolute pleasure meeting you.
Speaker A:Getting to understand a little bit more about Atlas.
Speaker A:Genius.
Speaker B:Great for me, because, I mean, like I said without being too gushing, we were huge fans of you and your dad with the documentary, and we used to go to Whole Foods all the time and get the.
Speaker B:The Engine 2, like the crackers and cereal.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Well, we got a whole bunch of new stuff now.
Speaker A:And, you know, if you weren't in Australia.
Speaker A:Are you in Australia right now?
Speaker A:You are to say, if you weren't there, I'd send you a lovely care package, but the shipping would be exorbitant.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But the next time you come to the States, in all seriousness, please let me know.
Speaker B:I'd Love to.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker B:We try to always get to Texas because it's a good market for us.
Speaker B:We love the crowds there.
Speaker B:So I'll let you know.
Speaker A:But it doesn't have to even be Texas.
Speaker A:Just the next time you come to the States for a period of time, let me know and I'll send you, you and your brothers a care package.
Speaker B:That'd be great.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because you know what?
Speaker A:Because you are a plan.
Speaker A:Strong brother.
Speaker A:Hey, will you give me a virtual fist bump on the way out?
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Carrie, get in there.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker B:Boom.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Hey, Keith.
Speaker A:Have a great day, all right?
Speaker B:You too.
Speaker B:Thanks very much for this.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Our next guest star, a young rock and roll band from Adelaide, Australia.
Speaker A:Please welcome to the program Atlas Genius sa.
Speaker B:It doesn't help I left her out of space?
Speaker B:So breathe out?
Speaker B:Let the world just escape?
Speaker B:Never reach the end if we just can't wait?
Speaker B:I regret all the things that I'm saying?
Speaker B:As I'm chasing the fear away?
Speaker B:Nobody loves me like you do?
Speaker A:Nobody loves?
Speaker B:Nobody loves like you?
Speaker A:Nobody loves me like you?
Speaker A:Nobody love?
Speaker A:Nobody loves like you?
Speaker B:I change plans to find a happy place?
Speaker B:Ways halfway back I found another state?
Speaker B:So breath out at the once escape?
Speaker B:We'll never reach the end if we just can't wait?
Speaker B:I regret all the things that I'm saying?
Speaker B:As I'm chasing the feeling away?
Speaker B:Do I feel so.
Speaker A:It.