Prepare for a fascinating conversation as Erika sits down with Mandy Lauderdale, owner of Hey Butterfly and obsessively knowledgeable medical esthetician. In Part One of this two-part episode, they discuss skincare, aging gracefully, Mandy's early career in the spotlight, and more!

Check out Mandy at Hey Butterfly https://www.heybutterflystudio.com/

Welcome to the bell.

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Hope you're doing well.

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Just kidding.

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Welcome to Clover club.

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You're probably wondering

why I just said that.

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And I have a little update

since our last episode, which

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I know you all listened to you.

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the morning after I recorded

with champion Heath, I got a

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fateful text message from champ.

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Have a link to a vintage taco bell table.

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My guest, Mandy is here and

she's already chuckling.

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I'm like, I'm going to

do this little intro.

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Um, it's like impossible to not laugh at.

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But he sent me this link to

this table, jokingly saying new

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podcast table question mark.

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And I was like, LOL, but I

couldn't stop thinking about it.

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And an hour later I was like,

send me that fucking link.

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And then the next morning,

three hot tattooed dudes.

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Move this table.

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Stairs.

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And now Mandy is my first

guest sitting at it.

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And if the name Mandy sounds familiar

it's because I mentioned her at the

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beginning of an earlier episode,

she is my favorite skin guru.

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And.

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Ah, Mandy's here to talk all

things, taco bell, an anti-aging.

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Hi, Mandy.

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The worst two things you

could ever put together.

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Ever.

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Like how much heart disease started.

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All right.

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I can't.

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It's so nice.

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Like we, they really don't make things

like this scene where this is would it's.

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Comfortable it's it's

shockingly comfortable, right?

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It's actually beautiful.

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Tacky.

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1970s.

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Relationship started at this table.

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Oh my God.

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I bet people sat at this

table who were dead now.

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Oh, absolutely.

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From taco bell.

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And just because it's old.

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Statistically speaking.

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That is correct.

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It's funny.

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Mandy's sent me a message on Instagram,

like, as I was posting about this

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table acquisition, and she's like,

are you telling me I gave you the

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first guest to sit at this table.

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And I was like, I'm really glad that

you appreciate how important that is.

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Yes.

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Yes, you are.

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You clean it.

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Yeah.

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I mean, as much as I questioned it.

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I give it a nice little wipe down.

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I have not eaten talk about it yet,

but I have plans to, I'm gonna drink

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a bottle of champagne and get a bunch

of talk about with my best friends in.

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And break it in as God intended.

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It was gorgeous.

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It's perfectly warranted as it should be.

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Yes.

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Pre loved.

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I love it.

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Well, Well, Mandy, thank you.

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So, so, so, so much for

coming to you Clover club.

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Thank you for having me.

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I did a little like teaser

poll on our Instagram.

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And this is, you know, if you don't follow

us on Instagram, You should, because

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leading up to episodes with experts,

I like to do a Q and a, so that then I

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can take your questions to the expert.

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And so I've done that with Mandy, so,

and a bit, we're going to get into that.

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But just a little FYI,

follow us at Clover club pod.

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, Mandy.

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How's your day going, click.

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How are you?

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I'm good.

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This is the first podcast

I've ever been interviewed on.

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Oh, my God.

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I love cause I speak at conferences

and I go to trade shows and

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I'm in the treatment room.

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And I'm always doing

consultations and procedures, but.

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I love talking about this because I, I

was surprised you asked me to be on here.

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Even though, you know, how, what

my stance is on anti-aging and how

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I feel about it being an oxymoron.

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How.

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What society has done to women

in the unrealistic standards with

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aging and the expectations put on

us and how it's like a big deal.

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When you see some celebrity

like she's so brave.

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She's aging naturally.

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I'm like, why is that brave?

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It's not brave.

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And it's really annoying.

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And that's actually why I wanted

you to come on because your mindset

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about this is in alignment with mine.

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, I think was it this weekend?

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Is it.

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I think Pamela Anderson went to fashion

week with like no makeup and everyone's

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like, oh my God, she is so brave.

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And I'm like, is she.

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I mean, is that really even worth

like commenting on, you know, I agree.

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And, , Alicia keys got the same thing.

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Exactly.

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Side note.

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I have interviewed Alicia

keys a long time ago.

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I wasn't BGN MTV.

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Long time ago.

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And she.

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I love that you don't know much about me.

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This is why I love this podcast.

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That is okay.

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Go on.

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Gonna back up.

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So, the reason I was on MTV, I

can't believe I'm telling you this.

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Hours podcast.

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I've been on Pasa.

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I was on the first temptation

island a long time ago on Fox.

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It's like the original.

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. I say, I love that you don't know this.

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It makes my day and I'll never talk about.

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Please talk all you want this as well.

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The person I was on there with, I was

dating at the time that we were on there.

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We were a cast into the limelight.

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I think it was also because we

just didn't care about being on TV.

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And everyone else did.

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So I think that's why they

shine a little bit on us.

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Yeah.

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And, , ended up on like Howard stern.

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TRL.

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And Leno.

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And like shoved on all this, not

having done much entertainment at all.

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I was just getting into

the music industry.

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Actually wasn't even doing aesthetics.

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I was 22 years old.

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I'm 45 now.

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And , it was crazy.

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, so one of the interviews was

with Carson daily on MTV.

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And when I get off, they asked

me if I wanted to be a VJ.

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And I swear, I got asked to do

it because I genuinely did not

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care about being on television.

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Yeah.

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So that's why I ended up being

in key west, living there

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for three months, doing MTV.

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MTV.

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Embrace.

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It was like, yeah, it was like

their spring, but it was more like

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it was MTV summer and the keys now.

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Okay.

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Did I hook co-hosted a

show with Carmen Electra.

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And what's really funny

is that I'm from Atlanta.

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So going down to key west in the

middle of the summer, wasn't that big

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of a deal, but it was so hot and all

of these other VJ's that were down

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there, including Carson and a few other

people were not used to that kind of

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heat and working in that kind of heat.

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But it didn't bother me.

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So I ended up getting to host

TRL and do other things with like

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Brian Mcphaden and a few of them.

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It was, it was, oh my gosh.

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Like Tom WAMS, gins.

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Who's Tom long spans.

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Wait.

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Hold on.

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Hold on.

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This is very important.

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Brian.

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Oh, nevermind.

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I've just lost all of your listeners.

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So that you Mcphaden.

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That's who I'm thinking of.

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Okay.

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But Brian was the one.

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And then I'm Dave Holmes, who was amazing.

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And so I, yeah, it was, it was, it

was like Mandy Moore was down there

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and that's how long ago this was.

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This was when in sync and

Backstreet boys and good Charlotte.

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Yeah, all the, it was, it was, it

was a trip it's like during, right

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in the middle of this pop centric.

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So, Alicia keys was down.

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She was the nicest guest

that I interviewed.

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So when this, this ties back around

to we're talking about not wearing

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any makeup, it doesn't need to tire.

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I remember.

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You warned me, this is

how your podcast goes.

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I know Leary led with this.

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I never tell anybody this.

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So glad.

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Oh, Lord.

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Alicia look what you did.

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So, , but she was so cool.

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So as, even though I was doing

music, I had gone to college for

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opera and I was crossing over

into jazz and all that good stuff.

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So for me, I was kind of an

asshole as an interviewer.

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First of all, I didn't know how to do it.

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And I, I wanted to test to see

people could really sing live.

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And so I did it to everybody.

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I did it to usher.

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I did it to.

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Oh, there were so many.

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, and.

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I sure did it too.

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Anyways, Alicia keys.

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And so she's some people be like,

oh, we'll do this after the break.

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And they want a warm up and she

just went so hurt song fallen.

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Had come out and she just like.

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Broke into it.

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Like.

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It was awesome.

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It was fucking awesome.

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What's your test like seeing

right now and make a good.

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Okay.

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Would you sing for us?

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And, um, and every time the producers

were looking at me, like, man, he stop it.

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They knew what I was doing.

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I'm like, let's just see if

they're legit or if they just

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had a really good record label.

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Yeah.

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So, , anyway, she was so cool.

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And so afterward we

were in the green room.

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And I said, Hey, congrats on

everything that you're doing.

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You're amazing.

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She was the nicest celebrity

in sheer celebrity.

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Um, just that lifestyle was very

new to her and she was so humble.

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She was like, congrats to you too.

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She's like, I followed your jury too.

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And I'm like, what?

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My little like rallies show, like.

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Like I like tripped over myself

and ended up on a BJ and MTV.

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Anyways.

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I was not very good at this job.

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And after, , three

months, , I was like, oh, and.

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They like resigned your contract.

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I just, it wasn't, it wasn't for me.

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And I was, I wasn't into it, but

it was like three months of that.

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Sounds perfect.

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It was good.

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It was fun.

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It was just like, but

everybody, everybody was cool.

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I'm telling you this because she

was so even though she was very

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young too, but she was just so

beautiful without any makeup on.

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And just seeing her do

that later on in life.

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she's and she, I don't, I

think she felt the same way.

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She doesn't see it as brave.

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She's like, this is my face.

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Fucking face.

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Yeah.

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But she understands her

responsibility as a celebrity.

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As a woman as mom.

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Yeah.

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To be like, this is okay.

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, to show your face.

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Absolutely.

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I have a question I don't know

if you know this, but it's

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part of her, no makeup thing.

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Does she also not do any skin treatments

or injectables or anything like that?

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It's her whole thing it's completely

natural or she just no makeup.

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That's a good question.

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I haven't talked to her into London.

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Can you call her?

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She doesn't look like

she's had anything done.

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She's looks very natural.

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, and a lot of times just people with

darker skin have usually oilier skin.

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That's not always the case.

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And so they don't age as much as you and

I age For the month of October, I'm

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doing kind of my spin on scary things.

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Okay.

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And so this episode is going to start

that because people are so scared of aging

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and showing their faces so I was like,

Ooh, this is a great way to kick off.

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Yes.

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It's funny that we're talking about

that in particular there, I just

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remembered that Sharley stair on.

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There's a great interview

when she was on Oprah.

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I'm not going to quote this, but you

can find it on YouTube or somewhere.

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And she was talking about how her.

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Unrealistic beauty standards

of people and she's gorgeous.

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She used to be modeled before she

was an actress, but she was talking

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about her mother is in the audience.

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She said, she said something like if

my mom starts getting too much Botox

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or too much filler or schizo facelift

or any of these things, by the way,

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listeners, I'm not opposed to any of that.

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But, uh, we'll we'll get there.

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Yeah.

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Um, that she goes, it's like

a racing the photo album.

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And so, but then I was

like, oh, and it hit me.

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And this was years ago.

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, and I w right, when you showed me this

table and you were looking at all these

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little scratches, like maybe like a little

five-year-old like dug her fingernails

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in there because she was nervous for

some little recital that she just did or.

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That this was from moving around,

like who knows where all these little

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scratches on this table come from.

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I hope you never touch it.

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They all have a story.

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And so when I, it's funny, I

have this patient that comes

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to me and she is stunning.

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And she, I don't know who hurt her.

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When she was younger about when,

what she's chasing, but we'll fix

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one concern, quote, unquote, fix.

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I don't.

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I never know when people are going to be

happy with results, like how far along?

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Sure.

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So cause I'm people with good results,

so is relative to that person.

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Right?

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So, but she's so focused on

these baby lines or her on her.

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You know, marionettes.

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It's like baby lines.

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I'm like, oh, you mean the

ones you got from smiling?

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Yeah.

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From your face, moving your face.

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It speak, Mandy, come on.

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I'm like, I think you need a therapist.

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I know her really well.

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Just say that, or that'd be

really inappropriate, but

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sometimes people just need a hug.

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Yes.

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That is a really hard part of my job, but

people will walk in and see me and they'll

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say, okay, what do you think I need?

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I'm like, bitch.

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Yeah, I have.

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Yeah.

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I walk in the, put your, do

some earthing, put your feet in

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the grass and let's figure out.

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I think that's a really nice thing.

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With your setup because you're,

one-on-one with your patients.

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And I'm also one-on-one most

of the time with my guests.

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And it allows for a deeper level

of connection and conversation,

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but once you've established that

relationship with people and you

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start to realize like, oh, the issue,

isn't your hair color, the issue.

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Is the weight of all of your insecurities

that you're placing on your hair color

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or your haircut or your skin or whatever.

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And I do think you're right, you

have to read your, your client.

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, but I think people need people

like us to be like, Hey.

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That thing you just said

about yourself as not okay.

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Like.

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I don't want to hear you

talk about yourself that way.

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Let's talk about what we can

do to kind of, you know, Yeah.

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Self-esteem because what the fuck?

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Most patients numb for

the procedures that I do.

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I do all medical aesthetics treatments.

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So most people are numbing in.

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I have this, I have said this so many.

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I probably say this once a week and

I'll be walking out because they

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just get to relax and chill vibe out.

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Yeah.

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And before I leave the room, I

say, I want you to say in your

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head something nice about yourself.

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I love that.

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Let's laugh at me.

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I'm like, say it right now in your head.

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And they just like, oh,

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I think it makes them

realize that I have a sign.

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You might've seen it hanging in my room.

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And it says something like, Hey, gorgeous.

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, in this room, we don't believe

in anti-aging because it's

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an oxymoron in this room.

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We believe in healthy aging,

because aging is a privilege denied

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to many that last little line.

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denied to many is from mark Twain.

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Oh.

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And it's just so beautiful

because it's so true.

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I want saying.

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When I was singing jazz in LA.

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I will never forget this funeral.

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this man is a gay man.

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Put in his is so fabulous.

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He put in his will, that he

wanted on the penthouse suite

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of the Waldorf for storage.

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They rented it out and they wanted, , a

red head red hair at the time they

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wanted a red head and a flowery dress

sitting on top of a white grand piano.

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Singing show tunes.

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Oh my gosh.

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My agent found out about this and they

hired me because I had long wavy red hair.

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Oh.

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Can you do all that?

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I had to learn some show tunes.

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I just didn't want to

traditional jazz at the time.

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And.

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I sat on this table and what was, first of

all, was really cool to do, but for first

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of all, everybody walking in and thought

like, oh my God, this is so inappropriate.

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I'm like my baby.

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I'm sorry, your friend is dead, you know?

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and all these remix.

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I know these women are looking at me like.

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This bitch.

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Oh my God, but we're so crazy about it.

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It was like, so I didn't do aesthetics

when I lived in LA to music.

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Full-time okay.

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And.

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I was just looking at all these women

who are in their seventies and eighties.

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You've never seen nip tuck.

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Like you have an LA.

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Um, especially Beverly Hills

and Bellaire, and it is.

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It and it, everything

was just so preserved.

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These women, you could tell by

their hands really how old they

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were and more people are doing hand

treatments because of that now.

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The hand is the name of my mortgage.

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Thanks ladies.

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. But it was wild to just see it.

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Like what.

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What are y'all doing?

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But here's the thing I know I'm

sounding real judgy right now.

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If that makes them happy in that.

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That they don't, they almost

don't even know any better.

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Right.

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Of like the, the keeping up

with the Jones' keeping up

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with them to Jones his face.

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Yeah.

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, kind of thing.

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And so, but it w my responsibility

would, I have chosen to do with

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my career is when someone comes

to me and they're like, Okay.

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I'm going to get microneedling or laser

treatment or all these things, because

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I don't want to get Botox and filler.

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I'm like, hold on a minute.

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And they know that I don't

have Botox and filler.

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Yeah.

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But I'm like, I go, but I work at it.

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I massage my face at home.

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We'll get into all these things that

people can do later in this talk with.

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I go, I work at it.

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I go, I can't fix all these things

for you because if you're not going

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to wear sunscreen, if you're not going

to massage your face, if you're not

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going to drink half your body weight

in ounces, if you're not going to eat

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point seven grams for every pound.

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You are protein.

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Oh, wow.

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I've, you're not going to take a vitamin C

supplement, which is what builds college.

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Yeah, it's just, if you're not

going to do those things, then I,

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and also if people say people want

to come to me from micro-needling

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because they have a bunch of.

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Bunch of lines that they want to fix.

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They've super like

super, expressive faces.

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I'm working a lot of teachers

who just they're like, listen, I

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don't want to get Botox because I

still want to be expressive, but

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I don't want to find lines either.

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I'm like, well, that's.

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Possible.

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Yeah.

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We gotta meet in the middle of summer.

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Are you a car with no wheels?

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Yes.

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And that's when, like you need both.

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Yeah, let's just, let's just

start over with expectations.

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I met yesterday with a woman

who drove here from Macon.

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Okay.

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And she had a lot of hyperpigmentation.

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That was her main thing.

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Just hyperpigmentation.

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And I told her she's like, I just

want to, and I thought I was like,

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oh, I need to remember to tell,

tell Eric this in her podcast.

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And she said, I just want to put on a

tinted moisturizer she's in her seventies.

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Okay.

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Tinted moisturizer every morning, LA.

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A little mascara

lipstick, go out the door.

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And I was like, you know,

that chisel and melasma too.

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You know that melasma hyperpigmentation.

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You never like fully get rid of it.

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You manage it for life.

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And she has like what?

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And she started crying.

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Oh, it broke my heart.

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She's like, no one's ever told me this.

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And I just, I, I totally broke her heart.

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Just by delivering

information, but that's my job.

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And that is every medical

aesthetics in every setting.

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Strider's job is to just be honest.

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Yes.

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Instead of just being like, oh, if I tell

them this, like, we'll get rid of it.

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Eventually.

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They'll just keep giving me

money and it's just not fair.

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So for me, what I've chosen.

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My job to be is to reset

people's expectations.

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Yes.

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And I am educated.

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Yes, I go.

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And I said, we can do all this stuff.

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This is what you have to

do year round to manage it.

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I was like, let's talk about

a really good concealer.

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She's like, what?

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The last thing you'd expect to talk to.

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In medical education

about, yeah, but it's true.

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It's just like in all sorts of

being like, Hey, you look beautiful.

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What else can we do at home?

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Are you using a good tretinoin?

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And let's up this stop using a retinol.

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It's usually those crossover to Trenton.

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Oh yeah.

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Stuff like that.

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And it's just like that.

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It's hard there.

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So much, it is hard.

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There's so much conflicting

information out there that , you

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need somebody that can be your kind

of one go-to source that you trust.

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And for me, that's, you.

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And I.

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Thank you.

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I met Mandy almost well.

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Yesterday was a year ago to the date.

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And I do, you know that.

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Yeah.

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But I went in to see Mandy.

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I I'm in my mid thirties.

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, it wasn't from necessarily an

anti-aging perspective, but I

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just had never had good skin.

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Like I had had lots of acne issues

when I was younger and I just knew I'd

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never really done anything to my face.

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I had just started getting a little

Botox, but like, My face was like raw.

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And I was like, I know

I've got acne scarring.

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It's like a texture issues

and stuff like that.

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But it wasn't.

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I'm terrified of getting old, fix

my face, but it was , how do I make

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my skin look, its best right now?

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And Mandy, you were such

a godsend with information.

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And like we came up with a plan and

we did this wild treatment and he

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fried off my top 14 layers of skin.

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And now I look great.

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I have told so many people

about you that you just, you

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went into medical aesthetics.

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I don't count like

Botox, fillers, medical.

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I mean like medical second treatment.

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Yeah.

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That, that cause like those,

I consider those injectables.

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Yeah.

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But you went, you went like to the

bat and like a CO2 laser, the most

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aggressive things you can do because

it is ablative and listeners, like a

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blade of means like removing the skin.

524

With, with something

that's a thermal injury.

525

So you're like a bleeding the skin.

526

So there's scabs left over.

527

And if you've seen her kid's picture,

she's just literally one big scab.

528

Yeah.

529

So many people want to

do that during this time.

530

Can I do this around Halloween.

531

So I look crazy just carnage,

but it's the fact that you went.

532

Did that extreme?

533

Most people want to dip their toe in it.

534

Yeah.

535

No, not you, not me.

536

And now that I know you

better, it makes sense.

537

Yeah.

538

I'm like why dilly dally?

539

Let's just fucking do this.

540

Yes.

541

But I think that a lot of people

said to me when I did that.

542

Oh, you're crazy.

543

You look great.

544

You're so young.

545

And I'm like, bitch, I'm not doing

this because I think I'm old.

546

Like I know I look good, but I'm like, if

I look this good without help, imagine.

547

What I would look like if

I had my face right off.

548

, and so that's the craziest

thing I've ever done.

549

Um, with my face.

550

So good though.

551

Looks so good.

552

Oh, the procedure she's talking about,

you guys is called, , miss the Plaza pin.

553

I know a lot of people

have heard about it.

554

The, the, the priest, the, she got

. She didn't just get the pointillism,

555

which others, the dot pattern that

a lot of you have seen online.

556

She also got resurfacing, which that's

more for texture and it looks like a bunch

557

of cat scratches in different directions.

558

And.

559

It looks worse.

560

Yeah.

561

Awesome.

562

Awesome.

563

Yeah.

564

I'll be honest, you inspired so

much confidence in me, Mandy, but I

565

didn't really even think through like

actually how intense what I was doing

566

was like, I knew , I knew it was a

serious thing, but I was like, ah, I

567

mean, sounds like what I need to do.

568

, and the 24 hours afterwards,

I was like, holy fuck.

569

I have been mauled by a bunch of ocelots.

570

Like I was not prepared for how intense

this is, but it was so worth it.

571

I mean, I would do it

again, . So much swelling too.

572

And that, that is the hardest

part to talk people off a cliff.

573

Like, should I go to the hospital?

574

I have had one lady long time ago.

575

Wasn't from that summer laser treatment.

576

A store for two plastic

surgeons and did this.

577

Really intense laser treatment.

578

And she was in her late seventies and she

just, you know, puffed up like a balloon.

579

Yeah.

580

I always give people my personal cell.

581

I'm like, I want you to call

me at three in the morning.

582

If your eyes are swollen, shut.

583

I was like, should you take it because

I want the inflammation, right.

584

There's so many things about, Hey,

get this treatment and we'll give

585

you this mass or this led thing

to bring down the inflammation.

586

Like absolutely not.

587

If you want that inflammation

for a few days, all those yummy

588

growth factors go in there.

589

I want your eyes to swell.

590

Shut.

591

I tell people, I want you to look in

the mirror and be like, ah, when you

592

were freaked out and be like, hell

yeah, I'm gonna have some great results.

593

Do not take that ibuprofen.

594

If you don't need it for medical reasons,

I'll have to say that for legal reasons.

595

Um,

596

um, but yeah, don't do anything

to bring the inflammation down.

597

It's like, whenever you, like,

before you hurt your knee,

598

you just need to elevate it.

599

Don't ice it right away.

600

You need those growth

factors went in there too.

601

You know, to repair, you taught me that.

602

Like not what people teach you

in health class and stuff.

603

So I thought, no.

604

Interesting little piece of information.

605

Yep.

606

Yeah.

607

I have three siblings and

my mom, , 10 grandkids.

608

And so I've told all of them this.

609

Like do not ice.

610

It I'm like, unless they just

need it for that comfort.

611

Just like, just do something cool.

612

So it'll heal so much faster, but chronic

inflammation that's the inflammation.

613

That's bad.

614

Yes.

615

So I had a lady who went to the ER.

616

In her late seventies from laser

treatment because she's like you.

617

And so she came in a couple weeks

later at, um, the doctor's like,

618

Hey, so-and-so wants to talk to you.

619

And they already knew that it was,

did she just didn't know better?

620

Yeah.

621

She was like, you burned me.

622

I'm like, damn right at Burnie.

623

Cause you made me do it.

624

We need to do it.

625

Thank you.

626

Um, yeah, some people don't read

the pre and post instructions.

627

That's okay.

628

I read them, but I.

629

It didn't sink in.

630

I don't know.

631

The intensity of it, but I don't care.

632

I love it when people come and they sit

in the chair, like, so what are we doing?

633

And I'm laughing.

634

I'm like, Wait a minute.

635

What I'm doing has like 14 days downtime.

636

What do you mean?

637

What are we doing?

638

Yeah.

639

I had a client just the other day

she got some peel and she walked

640

in and her face is all shiny.

641

And she's like, I just

got this face thing done.

642

I didn't read the directions.

643

I'm not supposed to get my hair done

for 72 hours, but here I am, I didn't

644

want to come for my appointment.

645

So can you like not get hair

color or water on my face?

646

And I was like, wait, yeah,

that's always the goal.

647

But like she came in with the peel on.

648

Well, I th I think it was just the post,

, I don't know, whatever comes up, whatever

649

they put on the face after the peel.

650

Okay.

651

But it is funny.

652

It's just like, people are like,

oh, like, yeah, I'll do this thing.

653

People, always people always want

to come to both of us back to back.

654

They want to get the hair.

655

So some people will go with beauty.

656

A little bit going to

be like microneedling.

657

Microneedling is the number one

medical sex treatment in the world.

658

For a good reason because

it's easy downtime.

659

It's not even much downtown on people,

just a little bit red, and then

660

it can be done on all skin types.

661

Year round could be done.

662

Acne.

663

If you don't have rosacea, can we get it?

664

You just don't want to do over cancer.

665

But yeah.

666

But it's, I mean, it takes

all the boxes, except the only

667

thing it doesn't do is tighten.

668

If you look on web MD, which is terrible.

669

It says it produces college in Alaska and

friends that does not produce elastin.

670

You need a thermal injury for that.

671

And you heard it here.

672

First.

673

I squirrel a lot.

674

I'll always come back anyhow.

675

I'll have people that come back.

676

I do microneedle and they're like,

I'm going to get my hair done.

677

I'm like, are you getting highlights?

678

Yeah, you can put bleach.

679

It's a thousand micro wounds.

680

A second.

681

Face neck and decolletage.

682

It's about, I use her Juva

pin is a with a speed.

683

I use about an 850,000

little micro wounds.

684

And like, you're going to put.

685

Love it.

686

You're gonna put toner and all those

things like on a route right around

687

here, your hairline, you will set them

on fire pipe, hyperpigmentation from it.

688

That's bad.

689

Anyways.

690

Yeah.

691

Don't do those things back to back.

692

Yeah.

693

Give yourself a little.

694

Yeah.

695

Uh, one thing for you today.

696

Yeah.

697

Keep it simple.

698

But even I, sometimes I actually should.

699

Now that you say that

put in my consent form.

700

Have you just had your hair done?

701

Because I can't do a chemical peel.

702

On someone who's had a chemical.

703

Oh, I'm so glad we're talking about this.

704

Hair color still is oxidizing for like 20.

705

That makes sense.

706

That that would be really bad.

707

Never seen that in a consent form.

708

Some Wiki hyperpigmentation and

Sue me, even though I have great

709

liability insurance and I'll have,

would have never known there are,

710

there are estheticians who have been

like what in the world happened.

711

They'll put a chemical peel on

somebody and that patient forgot that

712

they had their lip waxed or brow.

713

Oh, Oh, God.

714

Permanent.

715

It's tricky because sometimes you

just they'll get like it's called PIH.

716

Post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation.

717

Okay.

718

Just burns them a little bit.

719

So chemical burden.

720

Is it permanent?

721

Post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation.

722

That's why.

723

We call it PIH, usually in

hopes that post-inflammatory

724

hyperpigmentation just means.

725

Yeah.

726

You had some hyperpigmentation from the

inflammation, from something that you did.

727

Okay.

728

Um, whether it's, you know, a

little hiccup like that you had a

729

contraindication or whether it was

just like that, that skin is mad.

730

Yeah, which is fine.

731

It happens all the time, usually

takes about six months to go.

732

If it doesn't go away after about

six months, it's usually not PIH.

733

It's usually just someone got

that, but there's always ways.

734

There are always ways my friends to

treat hyperpigmentation from an injury.

735

Okay.

736

Sometimes scar tissue gets some pigment.

737

Cause you have, it's funny,

like when you have an injury,

738

let's say that you went hiking.

739

I have seen this before.

740

I guess it, I can, I can see it now.

741

Like a weird, like, like a mark,

like a stick on their face.

742

Did you go hiking and like someone in

front of you like pulled a tree branch.

743

I didn't tell you,

smacked you in the face.

744

Like something like that.

745

I've heard that story several times.

746

I've heard the people just have a

weird line of hyperpigmentation.

747

It's just odd looking

something, hit them in the face.

748

So three things can happen.

749

You can either get some scar tissue.

750

You can have some hyperpigmentation

because you have an injury and your

751

skin can just do a bunch of things.

752

So those melanocytes might just get mad.

753

Okay.

754

And they just shoot up

an umbrella pigment.

755

And that's what that is.

756

And then sometimes you can

have some little blood vessels

757

called telangiectasia, those

little spider veins on the face.

758

Yeah.

759

Sometimes that can happen.

760

It can be a combination of

two or three of those things.

761

Oh, wow.

762

You can there's there's ways of sometimes

just that pigment is not forever.

763

You just do some microneedling,

some peels, some laser treatments,

764

and it can just get it off.

765

And sometimes those melanocytes

are turned on for life.

766

And we can't turn them off.

767

We don't know.

768

Pigment, , whether it's sunspots

or whether it's, , melasma are the

769

two hardest things to treat because

sometimes all of a sudden I took

770

something off the inside of someone's

ear recently with the Plaza pen.

771

And we just think in part is, , some

pigment that came up from an

772

injury and it's never come back

to her sunspots have come back.

773

Cause that's what's so cool about, huh?

774

Yeah, that's really cool.

775

I mean, it's amazing.

776

By the way.

777

The little, little biology fact for you.

778

We all have the same

number of melanocytes.

779

Oh.

780

Someone from like Nigeria, blackest

night, black hair, black eyes has

781

the same number of melanocytes as

someone from Sweden with blonde hair,

782

blue eyes, pale pale, pale skin.

783

Okay.

784

What is the Malana site?

785

So

786

let's start from the beginning.

787

So.

788

I mean, obviously I know, but

I'm sure someone listening.

789

Um, melanin.

790

So melanin is pigment.

791

Atlanta pigment comes from Malana sites.

792

Melanin is pigment.

793

So most of it's like make the pigment.

794

Yeah.

795

Melanocytes make the pigment.

796

They shouldn't pigment.

797

So when you see little,

you know, Freckles.

798

I have all over my arms.

799

It's almost like little umbrellas.

800

It is just a line of defense.

801

So.

802

A little bit different the freckles.

803

Okay.

804

So, but all comes from the same place.

805

That's what's so tricky about

the lady talked to yesterday.

806

She has a mixture of sunspots.

807

And she has mixed her.

808

Melasma her cheeks.

809

She wants them gone so badly, but

she has just sunspots on her hands.

810

I'm like, listen, I can't do like IPL.

811

As intense pulse, light and laser

treatment, it is used for Rosa or BBL.

812

Everyone will say why one's

better than the other.

813

I don't care if you use both.

814

I think they're both great.

815

Yeah.

816

, Reps will tell you

differently, but who cares?

817

So, , do whatever you want to do.

818

So she can't do IPL because you

don't want to do heat on melasma,

819

but here's the funny part.

820

They both come from the same place.

821

They're both come from Atlanta sites.

822

There's triggered by different

things once triggered by the sun.

823

Once triggered by this hormonal.

824

So the people with molasses.

825

So I just started getting

so I'm peri-menopausal and

826

the little early at 45.

827

That's fine.

828

And I was like, what in the

world is this in my forearms?

829

It is rare.

830

, melasma on the forums is rare.

831

You usually see it sometimes in

the shoulders, but a lot of times

832

sides of the neck size of the cheek.

833

Sometimes the forehead,

sometimes the upper lip.

834

And if you could live in a cave with no

sun at all, but you just like you have

835

a death in the family get super stressed

out and all of a sudden it comes back.

836

Or you love hot yoga and all

of a sudden it just comes out.

837

You know, when.

838

Because you love hot yoga and it just, it.

839

Don't do hot yoga in a cave

after you lose a loved one.

840

Yes.

841

Horrible.

842

Combination.

843

Got it.

844

I have people that will like, um,

845

When people have those combination

of stressful things, not only is

846

it bad for something like molasses,

wait, let me, I'll finish this.

847

Uh, stop it real quick.

848

And then I'll go into, , things

that cause you to age faster.

849

Nice transition.

850

, so even though melasma and sunspots

come from the same place, you do

851

have to treat them differently

because you have, so that's why I

852

like certain peels are really good.

853

Just topicals are good.

854

, there are lasers.

855

That are okay.

856

, Four.

857

Like something like Moxi and Pico lasers

are okay for melasma here's the thing

858

they're not turning off the mulatto site.

859

They're not like shutting

that leaky faucet off a lot.

860

That's why I do love there's

something called, , Cosmin MD.

861

I love that because it gives people.

862

The power to take patients, the power to

use some products at home has a really

863

high hydroquinone is like 8% hydroquinone

mask and a 6% hydroquinone use at home.

864

Okay.

865

You should always rotate off

hydrocodone three months on three

866

months off because it technically is

a carcinogen when used all the time.

867

Oh.

868

Um, but when you, when you

rotated on and off, it's amazing.

869

So that's what I recommend for melasma.

870

I have, it's just sunspots.

871

There's all sorts of stuff.

872

You're not going to hurt it.

873

You're just always pulling it out.

874

Yeah, I like IPL.

875

I like BBL.

876

I like all sorts of chemical peels.

877

I love the perfect

Derma peel I love using.

878

Um, there's all these other

stuff that can, can mute those.

879

Melanocytes micro-needling with

certain things like buyer repealer

880

microneedling with, uh, I love this

product from France called alpha bright.

881

You can microneedle with it has no

hydroquinone in it or no TCA net.

882

And it just helps to kind of

shut those faucets off a lot.

883

A little bit so permanently.

884

No, nothing's permanent.

885

You can never shut off those

melanocytes permanently, but

886

for melasma in particular.

887

I prefer leaning towards hydroquinone

and just a lot of things.

888

And always using as many products as

you can that have melanin inhibitors.

889

PCA has a really good

product called pigment bar.

890

I love it.

891

And people can have some kojic acid in it.

892

It's a new way to wash your face.

893

You can actually wash your face, you

foam it up, you can put it on your

894

face and you leave it on for two

minutes and you can brush your teeth.

895

Then you rinse it off.

896

It's like a cleanser that also

has some melanin inhibitors.

897

So as many things as you can find in

your arsenal of if pigment is your

898

problem is many products, as you can

use people just say, oh, I should

899

just use a retinol or tretinoin.

900

Or I should just use this.

901

, hydroquinone or I should use this,,

that's skin Medica has like Tara

902

doesn't have any hydroquinone in it.

903

It's not my favorite, to be honest

with you, but some people love it.

904

, it's just using as many

products as you can.

905

That just treat that cause the best way

to treat pigment honestly, is at home.

906

And of course the number one thing ever.

907

Do you know what it is?

908

Consistency.

909

Yeah.

910

Yes.

911

technically yes.

912

And consistency.

913

Um, and I'll say one more

thing about all this.

914

Do you know the difference between.

915

There's two kinds of SPF.

916

Do you know the difference between

broad spectrum SPF and mineral?

917

SPF one kills turtles.

918

No.

919

I'm not asking any more questions.

920

I want your listeners is still big.

921

You are brilliant.

922

Because you are.

923

No more questions.

924

I don't know.

925

Totally kidding.

926

I love you.

927

Um, don't ask me to hear questions.

928

I don't know.

929

Um, we're both very smart.

930

60 volume on my hair would be great to go.

931

My blond.

932

Um, so, , this should more people

should, this should be at every CVS,

933

every Walgreens, every Ulta, every.

934

, Sephora, every place that you buy

sensory, every med spa that you

935

walk into, it should tell people the

difference and why they should know.

936

So broad spectrum sunscreens

absorbs the sun's race.

937

Okay.

938

, they're also easier to rub into your skin.

939

That's why they're popular.

940

They're also cheaper.

941

That's why a lot of people go to them.

942

But if you're in direct sunlight after

two, about two hours, the reason they

943

say reapply is not just to get you to go

through the product faster, to buy more.

944

It's because it literally turns

off it filled that molecule fills

945

up and spills over into your skin.

946

Just like if you kept pouring wine into.

947

Why am I using wine?

948

To one class and keep boring.

949

It's going to spill over.

950

That is with the sun.

951

The UV rays will do to your skin.

952

And 70 to 80% of aging is from the sun.

953

So.

954

The best sunscreen you can ever

wear is a mineral sunscreen.

955

And I hear this all the time.

956

People like I've tried five

different mineral sunscreens.

957

It's also called physical sunscreen.

958

Those two words are interchangeable.

959

When you, if you don't know, and

I will say it's funny, cause some

960

sunscreens you have to have just

whoever the sales rep is, tell you,

961

oh, that's mineral or physical.

962

It just doesn't say it on it.

963

But if you ever, this is how, you know,

you turn it around and it says zinc or

964

titanium dioxide on the back is the first

ingredient or is the active ingredient.

965

That is how you know it is a

mineral slash physical sunscreen.

966

It is the last line of defense.

967

So why it's great is that those

minerals reflect the sun's rays.

968

It's also why it sits more

on the top of your skin.

969

Doesn't rub in as well.

970

It's just finding one that works for you.

971

I'm not even going to list one

that I liked because one that I'll

972

wear is great for me in the summer.

973

And I don't like it in the winter

and then I'll change my mind.

974

They're always different ones coming out.

975

So that is the best thing you can do.

976

And if you on your face, neck and

decollete in the back of your hands,

977

if you could do 50, it'd be great

every day, every single day, even when

978

it's cloudy out, even when it's cloudy

and rainy, I wear sunscreen when it's

979

cloudy and raining and I'm in my house.

980

And when people, people think I do so

many treatments to myself and I'm like,

981

yo, I've been just wearing sunscreen.

982

So remember I used to live in LA and

I would, I would go to tanning beds.

983

I stopped going to And I

was like, I just couldn't.

984

I'm so pale.

985

And I just stopped.

986

I stopped trying to live up

to all these girls with these

987

dark tans and my goodness.

988

It's not working for me.

989

I tried the spray tan thing.

990

It looked terrible on me.

991

Yes.

992

Yeah, and I just accepted that.

993

I have pale skin and since about 25

to the past, past 20 years, I've just

994

been diligent about wearing sunscreen

all the time, but I still deal with.

995

You know, tanning beds and

laying out in the sun and baby

996

oil from when I was a kid.

997

Yeah.

998

Yeah, my daughter, she's five.

999

She, when I get on her dad all the time,

I'm like, please put sunscreen on her.

00:34:13,772 --> 00:34:14,462

She's pale like me.

00:34:14,522 --> 00:34:14,972

Okay.

00:34:15,032 --> 00:34:18,422

So, um, because our, also our, the

kids these days, like our ozone.

00:34:18,452 --> 00:34:18,692

Sure.

00:34:18,692 --> 00:34:19,831

Did they still need vitamin D?

00:34:19,862 --> 00:34:20,192

Sure.

00:34:20,431 --> 00:34:22,982

I'll sometimes leave it off her arms,

but I'm getting on her face and neck.

00:34:23,012 --> 00:34:23,252

Yeah.

00:34:23,492 --> 00:34:26,042

It's going to get more, especially

cheekbones nose forehead.

00:34:26,161 --> 00:34:27,661

Sometimes I'll just do

it there real quickly.

00:34:27,661 --> 00:34:31,172

And I always take some,

sunscreen that's powder.

00:34:31,202 --> 00:34:33,331

I have it in my hair right

now, like on my part.

00:34:33,422 --> 00:34:34,681

Oh, Because I'm so pale.

00:34:35,161 --> 00:34:37,411

I'm walking my dog today and

I'll do it in that center hair.

00:34:37,411 --> 00:34:39,812

Especially if your hair in a ponytail,

you should always have that with it too.

00:34:39,842 --> 00:34:41,192

Now that is always mineral.

00:34:41,384 --> 00:34:41,594

Yes.

00:34:41,594 --> 00:34:42,734

So it's a mineral sunscreen.

00:34:42,734 --> 00:34:45,434

Some minerals sensors are always a

little more expensive, but that's

00:34:45,434 --> 00:34:48,134

why, and you also, and people are

going to kill me for saying this.

00:34:48,134 --> 00:34:49,514

You really don't need to reapply it.

00:34:49,664 --> 00:34:52,994

If you didn't swim it off,

sweat it off, wipe it off.

00:34:53,143 --> 00:34:54,103

As long as it's still on you.

00:34:54,134 --> 00:34:54,764

You're fine.

00:34:55,004 --> 00:34:55,603

That was at the beach.

00:34:55,603 --> 00:34:56,054

I'd reapply.

00:34:56,083 --> 00:34:56,174

It.

00:34:56,324 --> 00:34:58,154

Yeah, but you're never going

to catch me at the beach.

00:34:58,214 --> 00:34:58,874

I don't like the beach.

00:34:58,904 --> 00:34:59,144

Yeah.

00:34:59,624 --> 00:35:00,014

Same.

00:35:00,864 --> 00:35:02,484

And that that's that's

people are doing this.

00:35:03,234 --> 00:35:04,764

Well, I know that people

relax by the beach.

00:35:04,764 --> 00:35:07,674

I know people who crave it and also

that vitamin D yes, it's great for you.

00:35:07,764 --> 00:35:10,644

Yeah, but like when I took my

dog for a walk today, I had

00:35:10,644 --> 00:35:12,294

sunscreen all over my shoulders.

00:35:12,294 --> 00:35:13,674

I did leave it off this part of my arms.

00:35:13,674 --> 00:35:15,324

Cause I know that vitamin

D is so important to you.

00:35:15,384 --> 00:35:15,864

Yes.

00:35:15,924 --> 00:35:18,174

By the way, you absorb

vitamin D more from the sun.

00:35:18,444 --> 00:35:19,254

On pulse points.

00:35:19,704 --> 00:35:23,154

So you actually ever want to go spread

Eagle to the sun in your backyard?

00:35:23,574 --> 00:35:24,114

Go for it.

00:35:25,614 --> 00:35:27,384

Like when I drive, I'll turn my arms over.

00:35:27,384 --> 00:35:29,784

Cause these are all pulse

points by your wrist right here.

00:35:30,174 --> 00:35:32,424

I'll put you in, put your arms

back post points underneath there.

00:35:32,484 --> 00:35:32,754

Yeah.

00:35:32,904 --> 00:35:33,264

All of it.

00:35:33,414 --> 00:35:33,774

You will swear.

00:35:34,734 --> 00:35:35,364

Okay.

00:35:35,514 --> 00:35:36,684

I'm here for useless information.

00:35:37,224 --> 00:35:38,004

It's not useless.

00:35:38,244 --> 00:35:41,214

Oh, Such a wealth of

knowledge and my gosh.

00:35:41,784 --> 00:35:42,714

Both points out, bitches.

00:35:42,714 --> 00:35:43,374

You heard it here first.

00:35:45,444 --> 00:35:46,164

So good.

00:35:46,554 --> 00:35:47,754

But, you know, Bob Marley died, right.

00:35:48,024 --> 00:35:51,024

Um, I forgot what kind of skin

cancer, but he was, he was either

00:35:51,024 --> 00:35:52,254

in his toenail or on his toe.

00:35:52,794 --> 00:35:54,594

Oh, I've heard that before.

00:35:55,164 --> 00:36:00,024

So friends, when you guys go to the

dermatologist, which everyone should get

00:36:00,024 --> 00:36:01,734

those mole checks I'm even bad about.

00:36:01,764 --> 00:36:04,074

I think I'm, I don't think I'm

like two and a half years out of

00:36:04,104 --> 00:36:05,664

this terrible, like estheticians.

00:36:06,114 --> 00:36:08,214

We would just think that we can

diagnose ourselves and we can't.

00:36:08,214 --> 00:36:09,684

We need somebody to look at our back.

00:36:09,714 --> 00:36:10,104

Yeah.

00:36:10,164 --> 00:36:13,074

Um, but also little things that we think

is a sunspot we're just used to it.

00:36:13,074 --> 00:36:16,284

So y'all should get that checked

once a year and a good dermatologist

00:36:16,284 --> 00:36:20,214

should spread your butt cheeks

should look between your and a

00:36:20,214 --> 00:36:21,804

lot of dermatologist don't spread.

00:36:22,494 --> 00:36:23,994

Uh, inside your lady bits.

00:36:24,444 --> 00:36:27,264

I don't know how, how, how medical

should I get on this podcast?

00:36:27,624 --> 00:36:28,044

Medical.

00:36:28,584 --> 00:36:31,914

It's a crass as you want, because you

could have a sunspot, like on your Lavia.

00:36:32,034 --> 00:36:32,754

You like, you'd never know.

00:36:32,934 --> 00:36:35,814

You never know, but that

is actually your OB GYN.

00:36:35,814 --> 00:36:37,284

His job is to look at that.

00:36:37,284 --> 00:36:38,244

That actually is part of their job.

00:36:38,274 --> 00:36:40,344

Most dermatologists won't go

there unless you ask them.

00:36:40,434 --> 00:36:41,004

That's fair.

00:36:41,334 --> 00:36:44,484

But in the same way that like a dentist

should be screening you for oral cancer.

00:36:44,844 --> 00:36:46,674

Your hairdresser should be

checking your scalp for.

00:36:46,824 --> 00:36:47,274

A hundred percent.

00:36:47,304 --> 00:36:47,574

Yeah.

00:36:47,604 --> 00:36:48,234

It's just like.

00:36:48,594 --> 00:36:48,894

But you.

00:36:49,164 --> 00:36:53,304

See that stuff on your own, but I will

say the only place that, um, The only

00:36:53,334 --> 00:36:56,484

place that a dermatologist usually

doesn't look as between your legs.

00:36:56,514 --> 00:36:56,604

Yeah.

00:36:56,724 --> 00:36:57,774

They should spread your budgets.

00:36:57,834 --> 00:36:58,074

Yeah.

00:36:58,134 --> 00:36:59,184

But they should look at your fingernails.

00:36:59,184 --> 00:37:00,804

Don't go with nail Polish on y'all.

00:37:01,134 --> 00:37:02,394

Um, no nail Polish.

00:37:02,424 --> 00:37:04,074

They need to look at your nails too.

00:37:04,164 --> 00:37:04,404

Okay.

00:37:04,464 --> 00:37:05,604

And that's part of their job.

00:37:05,904 --> 00:37:08,514

So, um, but yeah, they should

look in your hair a little bit,

00:37:08,514 --> 00:37:09,684

but you should also check that.

00:37:09,834 --> 00:37:11,124

I didn't even think about hairstylist.

00:37:11,424 --> 00:37:11,994

Oh yeah.

00:37:12,384 --> 00:37:14,304

Multiple times where I've seen

things on people's scalps.

00:37:14,454 --> 00:37:14,784

Yeah.

00:37:14,904 --> 00:37:17,304

I'll see something, I'll notice it

and then I'll keep an eye on it.

00:37:17,304 --> 00:37:20,544

And if it grows quickly or it's

getting irregular borders, I'm like,

00:37:20,544 --> 00:37:21,684

you need to go have this strapped out.

00:37:21,744 --> 00:37:21,984

Yeah.

00:37:22,104 --> 00:37:25,044

And, You know, most of the time

it's benign, but sometimes it's not.

00:37:25,074 --> 00:37:27,954

And it's like, I wouldn't have

seen that on my scalp, so, yup.

00:37:28,374 --> 00:37:29,814

This is just how it goes.

00:37:29,904 --> 00:37:30,264

Yup.

00:37:30,444 --> 00:37:30,744

Yeah.

00:37:30,864 --> 00:37:32,364

I want to say something

else about dermatologist.

00:37:32,424 --> 00:37:32,814

Let's go.

00:37:33,264 --> 00:37:35,334

I hear this a lot and I love

dermatologist and I wanted to

00:37:35,334 --> 00:37:37,704

go, I thought I was going to be a

dermatologist until I realized most

00:37:37,734 --> 00:37:38,844

of what they did is what we just said.

00:37:38,844 --> 00:37:42,384

They diagnose, they prescribe, they,

it drives me crazy how often they're

00:37:42,384 --> 00:37:44,934

just like, oh, here's some Accutane,

here's this and it just, yeah.

00:37:45,294 --> 00:37:46,884

There's some amazing

dermatologist out there.

00:37:46,884 --> 00:37:48,774

And some of the, some of the

things that patients have told

00:37:48,774 --> 00:37:49,974

me has made my skin crawl.

00:37:50,334 --> 00:37:53,274

The people that saying, like,

what about this, um, skin tag

00:37:53,274 --> 00:37:54,714

or what about this cheery?

00:37:54,714 --> 00:37:56,484

Angioma like, oh, that's

not life threatening.

00:37:56,574 --> 00:37:56,964

I get it.

00:37:56,994 --> 00:37:58,644

That their job is to save your life.

00:37:58,794 --> 00:38:00,084

Yeah, that's fine.

00:38:00,084 --> 00:38:03,004

But so many dermatologists, it's

like, oh, don't worry about that.

00:38:03,334 --> 00:38:04,414

Sebaceous hyperplasia.

00:38:04,414 --> 00:38:04,894

That's February.

00:38:04,924 --> 00:38:07,174

Kurtosis I go to have to worry about

that sound I've thrown in like yeah.

00:38:07,204 --> 00:38:07,984

Bothers me though.

00:38:07,984 --> 00:38:08,764

Can I move it?

00:38:08,764 --> 00:38:10,894

And they should actually, every

dermatologist should just have

00:38:10,894 --> 00:38:13,264

those machines, some do some

don't sometimes just nitrous,

00:38:13,264 --> 00:38:14,344

then they just freeze it off.

00:38:14,434 --> 00:38:17,014

Yeah, but that's, I get so many

people coming to me like, oh my

00:38:17,014 --> 00:38:18,244

gosh, you can take off those veins.

00:38:18,244 --> 00:38:19,144

You can take off this cherry.

00:38:19,144 --> 00:38:22,174

And Jim was, you can take off those

cholesterol deposits around the eye.

00:38:22,594 --> 00:38:23,644

Yes you can.

00:38:23,794 --> 00:38:26,224

Are the cholesterol departments around

the eye, those little white dots.

00:38:26,284 --> 00:38:26,374

Yes.

00:38:26,674 --> 00:38:27,784

I can get rid of this.

00:38:28,054 --> 00:38:28,924

So on my Instagram.

00:38:29,404 --> 00:38:32,584

If you look closely, if you zoom

in on the last Plaza fibroblasts,

00:38:32,584 --> 00:38:33,634

it just did it for the, I.

00:38:34,084 --> 00:38:34,864

I put numbers on it.

00:38:34,864 --> 00:38:37,864

Like 1, 2, 3, 1 says, oh, Plaza,

flybys could lift the lids, but college

00:38:37,864 --> 00:38:40,504

in the last and underneath, if you

notice it looks like what I did on

00:38:40,504 --> 00:38:41,794

your face with the cat scratches.

00:38:42,244 --> 00:38:44,254

So that's how you take off a skin lesion.

00:38:44,524 --> 00:38:48,754

So it just that poor girl, she said her

eyes, that those wounds just weeped.

00:38:50,014 --> 00:38:51,364

Oh, I bet she had a ton of them.

00:38:51,394 --> 00:38:52,144

She had lived with them.

00:38:52,174 --> 00:38:54,034

She said for about 20 years,

she just got used to them.

00:38:54,034 --> 00:38:54,994

And when I first met her.

00:38:55,924 --> 00:38:58,504

That's actually not the first thing she

talked about and I'm staring at those.

00:38:58,534 --> 00:38:58,774

That's a.

00:38:59,254 --> 00:39:01,504

That's really hard for my, when

people come to me and they'll

00:39:01,534 --> 00:39:02,944

be like, I just want to do some.

00:39:03,694 --> 00:39:04,444

XYZ.

00:39:04,554 --> 00:39:07,854

, skin rejuvenation or this, this, these

lines bothering me or this bothers me.

00:39:07,854 --> 00:39:11,364

And I'm staring at like 10 really

bright rays cherry angiomas.

00:39:11,934 --> 00:39:13,134

They don't say anything about it.

00:39:13,134 --> 00:39:14,124

It's hard for me to do it.

00:39:14,124 --> 00:39:17,604

So usually how I gently let someone know,

because some people have just been told

00:39:17,604 --> 00:39:18,474

there's nothing you can do about it.

00:39:18,474 --> 00:39:19,224

Don't even know I do it.

00:39:19,284 --> 00:39:19,794

Right.

00:39:19,824 --> 00:39:21,924

So, , that communication sometimes

with the patient, it's hard.

00:39:21,924 --> 00:39:23,364

Cause you don't want them

to think that, oh my gosh.

00:39:23,394 --> 00:39:25,464

She's this person think that

this doesn't look good, right?

00:39:25,554 --> 00:39:27,054

No, I just want them to

know that there's options.

00:39:27,054 --> 00:39:28,464

I'll be microneedling

someone's neck and back.

00:39:28,464 --> 00:39:30,504

Hey, if you ever will be to take off

that little skin tag, let me know.

00:39:30,504 --> 00:39:31,104

We'll do it next time.

00:39:31,104 --> 00:39:31,194

Like.

00:39:31,614 --> 00:39:32,334

You can do that.

00:39:32,334 --> 00:39:33,264

And every time.

00:39:33,744 --> 00:39:36,594

So, but I'm never, when I walk up to

people, people think when they find out

00:39:36,594 --> 00:39:39,114

what I do, they're like, oh my gosh,

are you just picking apart my face?

00:39:39,144 --> 00:39:41,844

I'm like, no, unless it's like

some huge skin tech, like hanging

00:39:41,874 --> 00:39:43,494

over in your eye, off the clock.

00:39:43,554 --> 00:39:44,394

I'm not picking apart.

00:39:46,044 --> 00:39:46,944

Not at all.

00:39:47,064 --> 00:39:49,104

I'm sure you get the people when

the people hear what you do.

00:39:49,134 --> 00:39:50,244

They're like, oh, don't look at my hair.

00:39:50,454 --> 00:39:50,964

Oh man.

00:39:51,044 --> 00:39:53,324

I I'm from a big medical family.

00:39:53,324 --> 00:39:56,144

And I learned very quickly

at family reunions not to ask

00:39:56,144 --> 00:39:57,014

them any medical questions.

00:39:57,044 --> 00:39:57,944

It drives me crazy.

00:39:58,004 --> 00:39:58,124

Of course.

00:39:58,544 --> 00:39:59,204

Everyone will come up.

00:39:59,444 --> 00:40:00,644

Oh, my elbow hurts.

00:40:00,884 --> 00:40:02,804

This is arthritis or is this cancer?

00:40:05,834 --> 00:40:06,554

It's definitely cancer.

00:40:06,604 --> 00:40:06,874

Yeah.

00:40:07,234 --> 00:40:08,314

Back to the caviar bar.

00:40:08,434 --> 00:40:08,764

Yep.

00:40:11,704 --> 00:40:12,784

That would be amazing.

00:40:12,904 --> 00:40:13,774

Says the vegan route.

00:40:15,034 --> 00:40:15,604

My family.

00:40:16,324 --> 00:40:16,654

Yeah.

00:40:16,864 --> 00:40:17,554

I don't know.

00:40:17,554 --> 00:40:18,694

I thought you were a vegetarian.

00:40:19,144 --> 00:40:21,754

So I, so I'm a, I'm a realistic vegan.

00:40:22,264 --> 00:40:22,624

Okay.

00:40:22,654 --> 00:40:25,324

So when I am out and about, and

so that they usually makes, I'm

00:40:25,354 --> 00:40:29,194

not one of those vegans that that

goes to, you know, a steakhouse.

00:40:29,464 --> 00:40:32,104

With a bunch of friends is

like, is this mushroom cooked

00:40:32,104 --> 00:40:33,904

on the same oven as the steak?

00:40:33,934 --> 00:40:35,074

I will never be that girl.

00:40:35,524 --> 00:40:38,134

Or when it comes to the bread,

that's there, like if it has a little

00:40:38,134 --> 00:40:39,214

butter on it, I'm going to get it.

00:40:39,364 --> 00:40:40,954

Yeah, I heard Jared Lido say.

00:40:41,254 --> 00:40:44,884

He's pretty hardcore vegan, but

he's he embodied how I feel.

00:40:45,244 --> 00:40:47,854

Um, he embodies how I feel about it.

00:40:47,884 --> 00:40:48,154

The most.

00:40:48,154 --> 00:40:50,554

He goes, if I'm at someone's

house and their grandmother

00:40:50,554 --> 00:40:53,974

makes made a cookie, I know that

there's eggs and butter and milk.

00:40:53,974 --> 00:40:54,874

Now I'm going to eat it.

00:40:54,904 --> 00:40:55,234

Fuck.

00:40:55,534 --> 00:40:57,034

Like, I wouldn't need,

if it had bacon in it.

00:40:57,574 --> 00:40:58,684

It's like that's fair.

00:40:58,924 --> 00:41:01,474

But even though the dairy industry

is worse than the other industry.

00:41:01,474 --> 00:41:02,494

Well, we're not going to go there.

00:41:02,674 --> 00:41:04,024

We're here talking about skincare.

00:41:04,744 --> 00:41:05,884

Can we go there real quick?

00:41:05,944 --> 00:41:07,004

Yeah, I, , okay.

00:41:07,004 --> 00:41:07,994

You told me that you do this.

00:41:08,294 --> 00:41:10,664

I keep hit the microphone,

but I meander and.

00:41:12,224 --> 00:41:17,264

The other day, , I got a coffee

that said cow milk on it, and