It’s very tempting to house shop online and crunch all the numbers yourself before taking any steps in buying a home, but don’t wait around just because you aren’t sure. Talk to a loan officer first and see where you’re really at. Remember, the pull on your credit will only affect it by a few points.
Talk to 3 lenders. Start with a big bank, then a local credit union, then a brokerage so you have 3 options. Your credit report will last around 4 months and closing will take about 30 days, so you have about 3 months to shop for a house once you have your preapprovals. Just make sure that you talk to your loan officer first before you make any big changes like changing jobs, buying a car, or financing a bunch of furniture.
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Welcome back to our mini season, talking all
Katelyn Magnuson:things, mortgages and home buying.
Katelyn Magnuson:We have Kyle Seagraves here, who is a certified mortgage advisor,
Katelyn Magnuson:licensed loan originator, and the owner of win the house.
Katelyn Magnuson:You love a YouTube channel with over a hundred thousand subscribers,
Katelyn Magnuson:Kyle, again, welcome back.
Katelyn Magnuson:I feel like this is just gonna be old hat at some point.
Katelyn Magnuson:And today we're gonna talk about all things, timing with the home loan process.
Katelyn Magnuson:So, you know, pre-approval how the approval process works.
Katelyn Magnuson:You know, how to really just schedule and plan for what this can look like.
Kyle Seagraves:Yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:This trips up people a lot, because I think.
Kyle Seagraves:Especially for those people who are like me, who everything has to be an
Kyle Seagraves:calendar and be organized and have to prepare for every single step in my life.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, it can be a little frustrating because you don't have as much control over it.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, and ultimately there is this fear of.
Kyle Seagraves:Rejection that I think prevents us from actually taking the first step.
Kyle Seagraves:Because we have, we're listening to so much information.
Kyle Seagraves:We're like, oh, am I ready to buy now?
Kyle Seagraves:Or do I have enough savings or is this the right move?
Kyle Seagraves:I am hearing stuff about the market.
Kyle Seagraves:When in reality, there is zero risk.
Kyle Seagraves:And applying for a mortgage and starting the conversation.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, it's kind of in a similar way.
Kyle Seagraves:Like, I, I have a friend of mine who, uh, he just got of a relationship and
Kyle Seagraves:he was like, oh, I I'm ready to start getting back into something a little
Kyle Seagraves:bit, but I'm afraid of, you know, I'm not, I don't know if I'm ready.
Kyle Seagraves:I was like, Hey, there's zero risk.
Kyle Seagraves:It's just a date.
Kyle Seagraves:You're not, you're not getting married.
Kyle Seagraves:I pro like, please don't get married.
Kyle Seagraves:The first person.
Kyle Seagraves:Get married off the first day.
Kyle Seagraves:Like just dip your toe in the water.
Kyle Seagraves:It's fine.
Kyle Seagraves:It's just a date.
Kyle Seagraves:Same thing with applying for a mortgage.
Kyle Seagraves:Like you can begin talking with a loan officer and it just be that,
Kyle Seagraves:Hey, I just wanna see where I'm at.
Kyle Seagraves:Could you, could you let me know where my credit's at, where my budget is?
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, show me some numbers so I can get familiar with this.
Kyle Seagraves:I'm not sure if I'm ready to move forward, but I'd like to
Kyle Seagraves:take a, a first look at this.
Katelyn Magnuson:I think people can really be embarrassed sometimes too.
Kyle Seagraves:mm-hmm.
Katelyn Magnuson:where they think they are financially and what
Katelyn Magnuson:they think that means or the story they think it tells about them.
Katelyn Magnuson:And I think that wherever you are is where you are, but knowing where you
Katelyn Magnuson:are and like what you can afford, or if you need to make changes, or if you
Katelyn Magnuson:need to do some work, I think can be incredibly empowering, but you don't
Katelyn Magnuson:know unless you've talked to someone and, and started or dipped your toe.
Kyle Seagraves:Yeah, this is why I think it's helpful to have that.
Kyle Seagraves:I think we talked about this in the first episode, like, Hey, don't
Kyle Seagraves:talk about your numbers with people.
Kyle Seagraves:because like, let's only talk about numbers with people who can help
Kyle Seagraves:us make decisions about numbers.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, because if I'm telling all my numbers to all my friends and family,
Kyle Seagraves:and then I go and talk to a loan officer, I'm gonna have that fear of
Kyle Seagraves:like, well, what if, what if I have to come back with different news?
Kyle Seagraves:And they think about my situation differently or, or whatever,
Kyle Seagraves:whatever that narrative is.
Kyle Seagraves:When, if we're just talking with the, the people who can actually help
Kyle Seagraves:us give us information about these numbers, uh, it takes off some of
Kyle Seagraves:that pressure of like, Hey, the loan, officer's really there to just help you.
Kyle Seagraves:See if you can qualify for a loan or not.
Kyle Seagraves:I promise you, they want to help you qualify for a loan cuz
Kyle Seagraves:they, they get paid that way.
Katelyn Magnuson:Right.
Kyle Seagraves:right.
Kyle Seagraves:No loan officer gets paid by turning you down for a mortgage.
Kyle Seagraves:So if they can make it work, they're going to absolutely try to do that.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, not to say they're gonna, like all people are gonna just push you into
Kyle Seagraves:something that you're not comfortable.
Kyle Seagraves:but like they're incentivized to help you get a mortgage.
Kyle Seagraves:So they're not really there to sit and be like, haha, this
Kyle Seagraves:about your financial situation.
Katelyn Magnuson:Right.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, they're interested in say like, how can we help you
Kyle Seagraves:qualify for a loan and most loan officers that I I've talked to?
Kyle Seagraves:It's usually not just like a hard, no, it's usually like, Hey, here's the things
Kyle Seagraves:we need to work on to begin the process.
Kyle Seagraves:And really there is.
Kyle Seagraves:We can do all types of exercises and planning and scenarios
Kyle Seagraves:before we start that process.
Kyle Seagraves:But you will learn so much about your financial situation and about
Kyle Seagraves:the future of buying a house by just having that conversation.
Kyle Seagraves:Because when we talk with a loan officer, not only can we see,
Kyle Seagraves:can we get approved for a loan, but once we can, we figure out what
Kyle Seagraves:our monthly payment's gonna look like, how much house we can afford.
Kyle Seagraves:And then also what the upfront costs are going to.
Kyle Seagraves:Which just accelerates your planning so much further than if
Kyle Seagraves:you're just spending a ton of time, not actually taking that step.
Kyle Seagraves:And we're just theoretically looking at, well, the down
Kyle Seagraves:payment could be this month.
Kyle Seagraves:The payment could be that all to find out.
Kyle Seagraves:Then we get a, we apply and find out we're doing the math wrong.
Katelyn Magnuson:Right.
Katelyn Magnuson:I think we can all be guilty of Zillow shopping, but not actually, you know,
Katelyn Magnuson:understanding what we have or what we can be working with versus, oh,
Katelyn Magnuson:Hey, it looks like that, you know, $400,000 house that you kind of had
Katelyn Magnuson:an eye on, or that range you were looking at, that's totally realistic.
Katelyn Magnuson:That's totally doable.
Katelyn Magnuson:Go for it.
Katelyn Magnuson:And I think it can be a really freeing feeling to be like, I can do that or I
Katelyn Magnuson:can do that once I've done X, Y, and Z, like it gives you such a clear action.
Kyle Seagraves:Yes, absolutely.
Kyle Seagraves:Yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:Rather than, yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:And rather than looking at like the $600,000 house and then getting
Kyle Seagraves:approved and being like, okay, actually can't do that right now, but it's
Kyle Seagraves:something we can do in the future.
Kyle Seagraves:It, just, to me, I, I tell people, I use the phrase like emotional failure, like,
Kyle Seagraves:are we setting ourselves up for emotional
Katelyn Magnuson:mm-hmm
Kyle Seagraves:a lot of times we are, yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:We're kind of doing a little bit of sabotaging, um, because we
Kyle Seagraves:were afraid to take the next.
Katelyn Magnuson:Yes.
Katelyn Magnuson:So with the process and getting, you know, getting started and having that
Katelyn Magnuson:conversation, let's say that maybe they're in a spot to start moving forward, right.
Katelyn Magnuson:Maybe what they're looking at and what it sounds like, and their
Katelyn Magnuson:finances and their debt and their credit scores and everything comes
Katelyn Magnuson:together and they wanna move forward.
Katelyn Magnuson:What does that next step normally look like for.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, so I think the first thing to do is begin talking
Kyle Seagraves:with three different lenders.
Kyle Seagraves:I'm gonna talk with.
Kyle Seagraves:I usually like to, uh, have people look at three different types of lenders.
Kyle Seagraves:So one being, uh, a big bank, um, or a big direct lender.
Kyle Seagraves:So this would be, uh, someone like, and I'm not vouching
Kyle Seagraves:for any of these companies.
Kyle Seagraves:Just throwing out examples.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, bank of America, Quicken loans those would be good examples of the,
Kyle Seagraves:kind of the big companies you see have commercials about mortgages.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, the next would be a local credit union.
Kyle Seagraves:It's gonna be local to either your city or county, your state, um,
Kyle Seagraves:some lender that just works with a small local group of people.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, they might have some different options than a bigger national brand.
Kyle Seagraves:And then also looking at a.
Kyle Seagraves:Brokerage, um, brokers don't charge any extra.
Kyle Seagraves:They don't charge anything different than with a bank or a credit union.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, you actually might find some savings with a broker or more
Kyle Seagraves:creative options with a broker.
Kyle Seagraves:So shopping with these three different types of lenders will allow to have
Kyle Seagraves:a really good range of conversations and numbers to begin looking at.
Kyle Seagraves:And it's really as simple as I can.
Kyle Seagraves:Google mortgage broker near.
Kyle Seagraves:Find maybe some people with good reviews, give 'em a call.
Kyle Seagraves:Say, Hey, I'm looking to begin the process.
Kyle Seagraves:I'm not really sure where my credit's at.
Kyle Seagraves:Here's kind of, I'm thinking of buying a house that maybe is like this.
Kyle Seagraves:What would be the next.
Kyle Seagraves:They're usually gonna send you to, uh, most of the time, an online
Kyle Seagraves:application, or they might take it over the phone and all you're doing here
Kyle Seagraves:is you're just sharing, um, probably more financial information that you've
Kyle Seagraves:ever shared with anybody in your life.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, it's a lot of stuff.
Kyle Seagraves:Where do you love?
Kyle Seagraves:Where do you work?
Kyle Seagraves:How much do you make?
Kyle Seagraves:How much is in your bank account, all these different things.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, and usually they're gonna ask you for documents to support
Kyle Seagraves:what you put on your application.
Kyle Seagraves:So if you say I make $7,000 per month, they usually wanna see
Kyle Seagraves:the pace stub that supports.
Kyle Seagraves:That if you say I have $40,000 in my bank account, okay.
Kyle Seagraves:We need to say the bank support bank statement that supports that as well.
Kyle Seagraves:I just make sure that they're giving you something that's accurate, but as we
Kyle Seagraves:have these conversations with these three different types of lenders, it's gonna
Kyle Seagraves:start to draw some really good questions that we might have about the process
Kyle Seagraves:that we can ask those loan officers.
Kyle Seagraves:And that is going to really kickstart the process after you're done with that.
Kyle Seagraves:At this point, you should have three preapproval.
Kyle Seagraves:Meaning you're approved for a loan and three different loan quotes.
Kyle Seagraves:So we can see what the monthly payment's gonna look like, what the
Kyle Seagraves:upfront cost will look like as well.
Kyle Seagraves:Then at that point, you should be very confident about like, Hey, our
Kyle Seagraves:financing is kind of taken care of.
Kyle Seagraves:We did the steps, we got three yeses and we're ready to move forward
Kyle Seagraves:with the home shopping portion.
Katelyn Magnuson:So once that happens, and I think that we'd encountered this
Katelyn Magnuson:potentially once, but let's say you get preapproved faster than you were
Katelyn Magnuson:anticipating, or let's say that in the market that we have today, you then go
Katelyn Magnuson:out and you start health shopping, which.
Katelyn Magnuson:I think can be both the fun and the horrid part of home buying depending
Katelyn Magnuson:on who you are and what you like to do.
Katelyn Magnuson:But let's say you get out there and you're doing it and you are getting, you know,
Katelyn Magnuson:past cause normally these preapprovals.
Katelyn Magnuson:If I remember correctly, have a, a time limit on them, if I'm remembering
Katelyn Magnuson:correctly, what happens if it's like been six months and you're still
Katelyn Magnuson:shopping and haven't found your house.
Kyle Seagraves:yes, if that happens, it's perfectly okay.
Kyle Seagraves:You're gonna survive.
Kyle Seagraves:nothing's gonna break apart.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, so use your credit report is gonna last four months.
Kyle Seagraves:So, what this usually means is you're gonna expect to be under
Kyle Seagraves:contract for home around 30 days.
Kyle Seagraves:From the time you put an offer and it's accepted to closing.
Kyle Seagraves:So that leaves you about three months to shop.
Kyle Seagraves:If it takes longer, it's perfectly okay.
Kyle Seagraves:Like there, there is no, there's no payment that's
Kyle Seagraves:required up front to get it.
Kyle Seagraves:Pre-approved if you, if a lender charges you, something like don't
Kyle Seagraves:work with, 'em no reputable, lender's gonna charge something.
Kyle Seagraves:And if you like, like, Hey, this is actually too much for us right now.
Kyle Seagraves:That's.
Kyle Seagraves:You can say that and back out there's no risk.
Kyle Seagraves:And so if that happens where you've been shopping and for a lot of people
Kyle Seagraves:in this market, this has been happening.
Kyle Seagraves:They're looking at homes for a few months and they can't find something that's okay.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, what you can do is talk with your loan officer and say like,
Kyle Seagraves:Hey, we haven't found anything yet.
Kyle Seagraves:And your loan officer might wanna handle it a couple different ways.
Kyle Seagraves:They might ask for an updated credit report where they might put
Kyle Seagraves:another inquiry on, if that's the case still, isn't gonna be a huge
Kyle Seagraves:impact to your credit score at all.
Kyle Seagraves:Maybe a couple points, that's it?
Kyle Seagraves:Um, if that's the case, it's okay.
Kyle Seagraves:For a lot of lenders, they'll be like, great.
Kyle Seagraves:Just let us know if anything big changes, anything big with your credit.
Kyle Seagraves:Big with your income.
Kyle Seagraves:They usually won't have to do anything updated until you're
Kyle Seagraves:ready to look at something.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, so if you're that adamant in the search process, I don't, I
Kyle Seagraves:personally don't think you need to keep getting updated credit
Kyle Seagraves:reports through the whole thing.
Kyle Seagraves:It's just, if there's any big change, Hey, you know, it's been six months
Kyle Seagraves:and then we apply it for our car.
Kyle Seagraves:You know, we got a new car and a new credit card, then maybe we
Kyle Seagraves:want to update the credit report to make sure it's still accurate.
Kyle Seagraves:But for most people, it's not something they have to worry about.
Kyle Seagraves:Just communicate with your loan officer and they'll help guide you through it.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, if you haven't found a home, like it's not like you have to go through the
Kyle Seagraves:whole process over again, they're just gonna be updating your loan application.
Katelyn Magnuson:That makes total sense.
Katelyn Magnuson:And that was actually going to be a question that I asked is I think
Katelyn Magnuson:that a lot of advice that's given out is, you know, don't open any new
Katelyn Magnuson:lines of credit when you're in the process of buying a house, right?
Katelyn Magnuson:No auto loans, no big furniture purchases.
Katelyn Magnuson:So I think that, that, and you can let me know if you disagree.
Katelyn Magnuson:I think that sound advice if you're in the, if you've put an
Katelyn Magnuson:offer and that's been accepted you're in that, that process.
Katelyn Magnuson:But I think if we're talking about people that are looking maybe for an
Katelyn Magnuson:extended period of time, I would say, maybe just chat with your loan officer
Katelyn Magnuson:before you're making any big changes that could impact what you're able
Katelyn Magnuson:to qualify for, rather than putting everything on hold for six to 12.
Kyle Seagraves:Absolutely.
Kyle Seagraves:Yeah, you absolutely can still make changes.
Kyle Seagraves:Just make sure that you do communicate those because they might change things.
Kyle Seagraves:You know, if you get a new car, like that's going to give you an inquiry,
Kyle Seagraves:lower, your average, your accounts increase your credit utilization,
Kyle Seagraves:uh, and change your credit mix.
Kyle Seagraves:So that could have a significant change on your credit report.
Kyle Seagraves:And so that's something you can do.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, but if you're like actually under contract for a home,
Kyle Seagraves:we don't want to change.
Kyle Seagraves:Anything, when you're buying a house, it, introduces a lot of life change.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, we wanna buy a new house, but then you a new car to just for the commute.
Kyle Seagraves:And then I want all this furniture and it's all this stuff.
Kyle Seagraves:Just do it after you absolutely can wait till after you buy a home, maybe you
Kyle Seagraves:don't have all the furniture in it's.
Kyle Seagraves:Okay.
Kyle Seagraves:You'll be alright.
Kyle Seagraves:You'll survive.
Kyle Seagraves:But you do not wanna derail your home purchase because you change
Kyle Seagraves:something with your credit.
Kyle Seagraves:So ultimately after you get a preapproval, In between that and closing on your
Kyle Seagraves:home, you just wanna make sure that any change that you're gonna make to
Kyle Seagraves:your credit or any big changes, like changing jobs or something like that.
Kyle Seagraves:Talk to your loan officer before you do that.
Kyle Seagraves:I was talking with a friend of mine who just bought a house recently and, um,
Kyle Seagraves:he just wrote an offer to buy a house.
Kyle Seagraves:So seller accepted it he's been under contract for maybe a week.
Kyle Seagraves:And then he was like, oh man, I forgot to tell you.
Kyle Seagraves:I'm about to take a, a job with another.
Kyle Seagraves:I was like, wait, no, you're not, no, don't stop.
Kyle Seagraves:Don't do it.
Kyle Seagraves:Do it after just wait.
Kyle Seagraves:Like, and so I was like, I wouldn't, you need to call your
Kyle Seagraves:company that you're gonna work for.
Kyle Seagraves:I was like, did you tell your company yet your company you work for now?
Kyle Seagraves:I was like, no.
Kyle Seagraves:Okay.
Kyle Seagraves:Tell them, Hey, we need to change my start date to after the closing.
Kyle Seagraves:And they accommodated it and it was fine, but otherwise, what would
Kyle Seagraves:happen is it completely changes his.
Kyle Seagraves:Even if he, even though he was making more money, it completely readjusts
Kyle Seagraves:everything and likely he would've had to been at the new job for a minimum of two
Kyle Seagraves:weeks, possibly a month to then close.
Kyle Seagraves:Would the seller ex extend the period for that long another month?
Kyle Seagraves:Probably not.
Kyle Seagraves:They might go with another offer.
Kyle Seagraves:Don't make any big changes to your income, to your credit or to the
Kyle Seagraves:money you have in your bank accounts.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, until you talk with your loan.
Katelyn Magnuson:That actually brings up a, a question B a funny story.
Katelyn Magnuson:So I think that a lot of times with that, with the bank account, you
Katelyn Magnuson:know, making any large changes, cash deposits, cash withdrawals.
Katelyn Magnuson:during that timeframe and I, I will share mine.
Katelyn Magnuson:And then I would love kind of your thoughts or guidance on that.
Katelyn Magnuson:We, we sold our, my first house in September of 2019, did not plan to buy for
Katelyn Magnuson:six months until the spring of 2020 went to go casually, look at houses in Idaho
Katelyn Magnuson:in the first week of October in between the first week of September and the first
Katelyn Magnuson:week of October, I had a large photo.
Katelyn Magnuson:That large photo shoot included a lot of cash for images and, you know,
Katelyn Magnuson:having some fun and doing all of that.
Katelyn Magnuson:And I, and my infinite wisdom was like, this is fine because we're not looking
Katelyn Magnuson:to qualify for a home until the spring.
Katelyn Magnuson:Then when we put an offer in the first week of October, uh, I got
Katelyn Magnuson:to answer some great questions.
Katelyn Magnuson:This is why I had a very large cash with cash withdrawal and then a
Katelyn Magnuson:very large cash deposit, the same amount in a 24-hour timeframe.
Katelyn Magnuson:And I got to provide, it was actually my favorite thing once,
Katelyn Magnuson:uh, my loan officer laughed her ass off about it when I told her why.
Katelyn Magnuson:And she was like, yeah, I'm gonna need some pictures to just
Katelyn Magnuson:kind of corroborate all of that.
Katelyn Magnuson:And so I sent pictures over from the photo shoot and everything was fine,
Katelyn Magnuson:but it definitely caused a snag.
Katelyn Magnuson:in the whole process, but I at least knew that going in.
Katelyn Magnuson:So what kind of, you know, advice do you have for people when it comes to
Katelyn Magnuson:large bank deposits or withdrawals?
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, yeah, the withdraws is not much of a concern.
Kyle Seagraves:The only thing that the lender is looking at with withdraws is.
Kyle Seagraves:Are they monthly?
Kyle Seagraves:Are they things that happen regularly, monthly that would indicate there's a
Kyle Seagraves:debt not showing on the credit report?
Kyle Seagraves:That's the only thing they really care about with Charles.
Kyle Seagraves:Other than that, you know, , I have a funny story too.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, one of the loan officers here in, in our company was, uh, people don't
Kyle Seagraves:like sharing their bank statements.
Kyle Seagraves:Totally get it.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, we're not really looking at like how much you go to Chipotle.
Kyle Seagraves:I would be the most embarrassed person in
Katelyn Magnuson:Right.
Katelyn Magnuson:No judgment here.
Katelyn Magnuson:Yeah, kind of
Kyle Seagraves:I go too many times.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, but.
Kyle Seagraves:We asked this lady for her bank statements.
Kyle Seagraves:And she was like, what do you wanna see?
Kyle Seagraves:How many, six toys I buy?
Kyle Seagraves:Like,
Katelyn Magnuson:now.
Kyle Seagraves:now that you say it, I really am interested.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, I wasn't, before your lender's not looking through like, oh, you
Kyle Seagraves:went to Speedway and you went here and like, they don't care about that.
Kyle Seagraves:The withdrawals are only looking to see, oh, is there a debt
Katelyn Magnuson:Right.
Kyle Seagraves:up from the deposits?
Kyle Seagraves:Usually payroll deposits are easy to see.
Kyle Seagraves:We can see from a certain company, anything that's non-pay is going
Kyle Seagraves:to have a question added with it.
Kyle Seagraves:And it's not like this big interrogating.
Kyle Seagraves:No, one's gonna put a big light up to you and be like,
Kyle Seagraves:so, uh, what was this deposit?
Kyle Seagraves:Like?
Kyle Seagraves:It's not a big thing.
Kyle Seagraves:They're just gonna be like, Hey, this money came in.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, we need to source it somehow.
Kyle Seagraves:And so there's a lot of places you can get money from that are acceptable.
Kyle Seagraves:But there are a lot that are unacceptable.
Kyle Seagraves:Things like loans, like those that need to be added to a credit
Kyle Seagraves:report, um, like cash advances from a credit card can't be used.
Kyle Seagraves:Or even, you know, for a lot of people it's like, okay, I sold my truck
Kyle Seagraves:and here's a $10,000, uh, deposit.
Kyle Seagraves:Okay.
Kyle Seagraves:Like I need a receipt to see that you actually sold the truck.
Kyle Seagraves:And unfortunately, a lot of this has come from a lot of the money laundering
Kyle Seagraves:rules since the Patriot act where.
Kyle Seagraves:Banks and lenders have to report all this information of
Kyle Seagraves:how money got shifted around.
Kyle Seagraves:It's really annoying, but what I recommend for people, if you're
Kyle Seagraves:gonna have, uh, deposits first, talk to your loan officer about this.
Kyle Seagraves:Hey, is, would this deposit be acceptable if it's not acceptable?
Kyle Seagraves:as long as you're waiting two months.
Kyle Seagraves:The underwriter, won't see it.
Kyle Seagraves:Cuz you're only gonna have to submit 60 days, two months worth
Kyle Seagraves:of bank statements to your lender.
Kyle Seagraves:So if you have a deposit before that, it's, what's called seasoned that
Kyle Seagraves:money already sits there and exists.
Kyle Seagraves:And the lender doesn't have to see before the two month period now, anything they
Kyle Seagraves:see, they can question and actually subtract it from the money you can use.
Kyle Seagraves:So for instance, Let's say we have $30,000 in our bank account
Kyle Seagraves:and you have $10,000 in cash.
Kyle Seagraves:And you're like, I've just been saving $10,000 in cash, which a lot of people
Kyle Seagraves:do, uh, for some reason kind of blows my
Katelyn Magnuson:Yeah.
Katelyn Magnuson:The mattress money.
Katelyn Magnuson:Yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:yeah, I finding a lender that will accept
Kyle Seagraves:cash is almost impossible.
Kyle Seagraves:At this point, it can ex it exists in some of the guidelines that say,
Kyle Seagraves:this is the way it's acceptable.
Kyle Seagraves:I have yet to find a lender that will allow cash.
Kyle Seagraves:It's just too risky.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, because that lender then might have to answer, what was this cash?
Kyle Seagraves:Did you prove that, how do you know for certain that that's where it came from?
Kyle Seagraves:And it's so hard to document because it could come from anything.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, even if we're giving like receipts and it just have very rarely seen cash work.
Kyle Seagraves:so let's say we have $30,000 on our account and we had
Kyle Seagraves:a 10,000 R cash deposit.
Kyle Seagraves:What might end up happening is a lender says we can't use 10,000.
Kyle Seagraves:We can only use 20.
Kyle Seagraves:And if your down payment and closing costs are going to cost you 25, we need
Kyle Seagraves:to find another way to bring in $5,000 or to prove that we have $5,000 that we have
Kyle Seagraves:access to, which often can cause people to need things like a gift from a family
Kyle Seagraves:member or different things like that, to
Katelyn Magnuson:I was gonna ask about gifts from family members.
Katelyn Magnuson:So let's say, and I, I know I've seen this come up sometimes, but let's say that you
Katelyn Magnuson:have, you know, generous parents that are in a place to, or family member or friend
Katelyn Magnuson:or someone that is in a place to gift you, you know, funds towards a down payment.
Katelyn Magnuson:What would someone need to know about that or about documenting that.
Kyle Seagraves:Yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:Gifting is, is really easy.
Kyle Seagraves:It's just a small bit of paperwork, so, uh, yeah, a family member.
Kyle Seagraves:It can't be a friend.
Kyle Seagraves:Can't just be like, Hey, I really like you also, if you have those
Kyle Seagraves:friends who are giving you money like that, I would love to be connected.
Kyle Seagraves:I think we it'd be your great friends too.
Kyle Seagraves:so it's usually has to be a family member and different loans have different
Kyle Seagraves:guidelines, which you can look up.
Kyle Seagraves:Sometimes.
Kyle Seagraves:Sometimes cousins are allowed sometimes they're not sometimes,
Kyle Seagraves:you know, all those things.
Kyle Seagraves:so if it's apparent really easy, uh, what I recommend is talking with a
Kyle Seagraves:loan officer to coordinate this first, what a lot of people do is they move
Kyle Seagraves:the money around without telling me, and then like, oh my gosh, okay.
Kyle Seagraves:We have to document it this way then.
Kyle Seagraves:And the documentation depends on how the money got move.
Kyle Seagraves:So if the money went from your parents' bank account to yours,
Kyle Seagraves:let's say they gifted you $10,000.
Kyle Seagraves:I need to see like updated bank statements.
Kyle Seagraves:I see to see it proof of the check.
Kyle Seagraves:It's all like annoying.
Kyle Seagraves:The easiest thing is talk to your loan officer and what's
Kyle Seagraves:usually best is the donor gifts.
Kyle Seagraves:The gives the money to the title company.
Kyle Seagraves:The title company will provide a receipt that the money's
Kyle Seagraves:there and that's all that we.
Kyle Seagraves:there's a gift letter as well.
Kyle Seagraves:And the gift letter is gonna say, we, the parents give our child $10,000
Kyle Seagraves:with no expectation of repayment and a couple other details, you know, date,
Kyle Seagraves:phone, number, all that kind of stuff.
Kyle Seagraves:And it's really.
Kyle Seagraves:That basic.
Kyle Seagraves:And for most loans you can use the gift to cover the down payment and or the closing
Kyle Seagraves:costs, um, which can be really helpful and gifts are actually extremely common.
Kyle Seagraves:so gifting is not terrible.
Kyle Seagraves:It just, sometimes the issues with documentation, with something like
Kyle Seagraves:an FHA loan, often lenders will want the donors bank statement.
Kyle Seagraves:They wanna make sure that it didn't come from same thing, those money laundering.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, kind of policies.
Kyle Seagraves:They wanna make sure it didn't come from some random, whatever
Katelyn Magnuson:Right.
Katelyn Magnuson:They're just saying that the deposit matches the withdrawal
Katelyn Magnuson:that came from where you said it came from and kind of closing the
Katelyn Magnuson:loop on the documentation for that.
Kyle Seagraves:They need to make sure that you didn't.
Kyle Seagraves:Yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:They don't wanna see the donors bank statement.
Kyle Seagraves:All of a sudden there was our cash deposit for $10,000 and then
Kyle Seagraves:they immediately gave that to you.
Kyle Seagraves:Cause that's laundering.
Kyle Seagraves:We just
Katelyn Magnuson:right.
Kyle Seagraves:through a donor.
Katelyn Magnuson:we just added someone else into the loop.
Kyle Seagraves:Yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:They're like you, they don't want you to try to work around the
Kyle Seagraves:policy by doing something like that.
Kyle Seagraves:So, sometimes the friction can happen when we ask a donor for bank statements
Kyle Seagraves:and they throw a fit and they're like, I don't know what to tell you,
Kyle Seagraves:but this is the only way it works.
Kyle Seagraves:This is literally the guidelines.
Kyle Seagraves:I don't make the world.
Katelyn Magnuson:Right.
Katelyn Magnuson:I'm not doing this for fun.
Katelyn Magnuson:Yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:yeah, after three days of huffing and puffing, we
Kyle Seagraves:get it through and it works that's one of the only frictions with.
Katelyn Magnuson:I think again, the really important thing to note
Katelyn Magnuson:here is if you just pause before taking action and run it by your loan
Katelyn Magnuson:officer, it can save time headache.
Katelyn Magnuson:All of that.
Katelyn Magnuson:And I see that a lot and what we do, it's so much easier.
Katelyn Magnuson:Not that we want to be here to give you permission to do or not do things, but
Katelyn Magnuson:because we can help things flow so much more efficiently, that will save you time.
Katelyn Magnuson:Anyone else that you're working with time and can get you to your end goal?
Katelyn Magnuson:Cause I think all of our goal is to, you know, Loan officer's goal
Katelyn Magnuson:is to get you into that house.
Katelyn Magnuson:Get you funded, make that happen.
Katelyn Magnuson:You know, our goal is to see you live out your financial dreams.
Katelyn Magnuson:Like we're not here to do nefarious things.
Katelyn Magnuson:We wanna see you succeed.
Katelyn Magnuson:So let us help you succeed.
Kyle Seagraves:That's the biggest cause of friction.
Kyle Seagraves:Like it's the easy, the quickest way to hate your loan officer is to do stuff
Kyle Seagraves:and then tell them after is because they're gonna be like you did what?
Kyle Seagraves:Okay.
Kyle Seagraves:Well, now that you did that, like there's only these few options.
Kyle Seagraves:Whereas if you told me before, we could've, you know, I had a, a client
Kyle Seagraves:once who, the day before closing, he was like, Hey, guess what?
Kyle Seagraves:I got a new job.
Kyle Seagraves:What he was like, yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:I make more money.
Kyle Seagraves:It's not a problem.
Kyle Seagraves:Yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:It is absolutely a problem.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, so we had to wait another month and guess who everyone was mad at me.
Kyle Seagraves:when, like, we absolutely told him no,
Katelyn Magnuson:no no big life changes.
Katelyn Magnuson:Yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, but I'm the issue, cuz I couldn't make it work.
Kyle Seagraves:Like that's not how this works.
Katelyn Magnuson:Right.
Katelyn Magnuson:I, I can only do what I can do within the parameters that I can work within.
Katelyn Magnuson:Oh goodness.
Kyle Seagraves:Whereas if he asked me, I would've said, Hey, wait a week.
Katelyn Magnuson:Right.
Katelyn Magnuson:And this would, this would be a non-issue.
Kyle Seagraves:All right.
Katelyn Magnuson:Oh man.
Katelyn Magnuson:No, I think the timing can be so important.
Katelyn Magnuson:And I think at the same time that it can be so important.
Katelyn Magnuson:People also make it out to be more complicated than it has to be.
Kyle Seagraves:Mm-hmm Yeah.
Katelyn Magnuson:if someone, cuz we, we walk through what it looks like, right.
Katelyn Magnuson:If someone gets approved, everything's great.
Katelyn Magnuson:It lines up with their plans.
Katelyn Magnuson:They're able to go house shopping.
Katelyn Magnuson:Let's say someone comes in and you know, they, they chat with three different,
Katelyn Magnuson:you know, lenders and they look at.
Katelyn Magnuson:Their finance.
Katelyn Magnuson:Isn't like, Hey, you know, to do what you want to be doing or to
Katelyn Magnuson:afford the, the house that you want.
Katelyn Magnuson:You know, these are some action items that you need.
Katelyn Magnuson:This is probably a super general question, but for what you see,
Katelyn Magnuson:what does that normally look like?
Katelyn Magnuson:Is it normally like, Hey, we need to get your credit score up, you know,
Katelyn Magnuson:20 to 40 points or, Hey, we need to do some debt payoff or, Hey, we need a
Katelyn Magnuson:bigger down payment or, you know, kind of a combination of those, depending
Katelyn Magnuson:on their personal financial situation.
Katelyn Magnuson:Mm.
Kyle Seagraves:I think this depends a lot based on the location.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, for me, you know, I I'm, I'm in Dayton, Ohio, so we're kind of
Kyle Seagraves:a kind of smaller ish Metro area with a lot of like rural around it.
Kyle Seagraves:The biggest problem all day long is the amount of cash.
Kyle Seagraves:People have to be able to buy a house.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, because buying house costs money up front.
Kyle Seagraves:There are some creative ways, you know, different loans we can use to do 0% down,
Kyle Seagraves:but there's still gonna be closing costs.
Kyle Seagraves:And then things like a seller's market.
Kyle Seagraves:It's difficult to get the seller to pay, you know, negotiate for
Kyle Seagraves:them to pay the closing costs.
Kyle Seagraves:And so that's one of the hardest things is like, everything's great, but it's
Kyle Seagraves:gonna cost you $10,000 to buy this house with your down payment closing costs.
Kyle Seagraves:And you sent me a bank statement that has $7 in it.
Kyle Seagraves:So like, we need to somehow figure out how to make this work.
Kyle Seagraves:That is the biggest thing that I see is people who don't have
Kyle Seagraves:the savings for buying a house.
Kyle Seagraves:Um,
Katelyn Magnuson:mm-hmm.
Kyle Seagraves:and I think it's, it's really scary because I see so many
Kyle Seagraves:people who buy home and it wipes their bank account clean, um, where, like
Kyle Seagraves:they bought, but they don't have any money left and it's not a really great
Kyle Seagraves:financial position to be in, I think for a lot of people, um, which is why I, I
Kyle Seagraves:feel like it is helpful to include an emergency fund in your timing, where.
Kyle Seagraves:You absolutely can still talk to a loan officer to see those numbers, but you
Kyle Seagraves:might take a look at it and be like, Hey, this bottom line number is gonna
Kyle Seagraves:wipe us clean and we don't want that.
Kyle Seagraves:So maybe we back away from the home buying for a second to save maybe
Kyle Seagraves:three months worth of expenses.
Kyle Seagraves:And then we can reenter into the conversation because no
Kyle Seagraves:amount of potential appreciation in a home is worth us.
Kyle Seagraves:Not having any money to be able to cover repairs or moving
Kyle Seagraves:costs or anything like that.
Katelyn Magnuson:Or health issues that come up or emergencies or a
Katelyn Magnuson:car breaks down or anything else?
Katelyn Magnuson:I know when I, I, I was that person with my first house.
Katelyn Magnuson:I hated living in an apartment and I could just barely make it happen.
Katelyn Magnuson:And I did it and I had almost a $3,000 repair that had to happen
Katelyn Magnuson:on the house that we didn't know about six months after I bought.
Katelyn Magnuson:So it immediately went on, on a credit card and I spent the next
Katelyn Magnuson:three years dipping into credit card debt and then paying it all off.
Katelyn Magnuson:And it is what it is.
Katelyn Magnuson:It allowed me to live where I lived.
Katelyn Magnuson:I'm grateful to it.
Katelyn Magnuson:I've thinked it's for, you know, thinked it's for its use, but
Katelyn Magnuson:it was really, really stressful.
Katelyn Magnuson:And didn't have to be had I been able to wait a few more months and set a few
Katelyn Magnuson:thousand dollars aside over that time.
Katelyn Magnuson:And that was a big factor in this house.
Katelyn Magnuson:We could've put just barely 20% down, but it would've wiped everything.
Katelyn Magnuson:So we put 10% down, took the hit on the PMI, which was not that bad to then
Katelyn Magnuson:have a much more robust emergency fund.
Katelyn Magnuson:And it is like night and day, the, the, you know, lack of stress that we have,
Katelyn Magnuson:and we were able to make improvements.
Katelyn Magnuson:We were able to buy the furniture.
Katelyn Magnuson:We were able to do the things that we wanted to do because we weren't.
Katelyn Magnuson:So cash strapped.
Kyle Seagraves:Yeah, absolutely.
Kyle Seagraves:Would you like me to run through the, the timing of being under
Kyle Seagraves:contract too really quickly?
Katelyn Magnuson:I think that would be really helpful.
Katelyn Magnuson:Yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:Cool.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, the under contract piece goes pretty quick.
Kyle Seagraves:Let's say we got approved for mortgage.
Kyle Seagraves:Then we talked with a real estate agent.
Kyle Seagraves:Cause that's the next step after that.
Kyle Seagraves:And uh, we wanted to look for home and we're kind of saying, Hey,
Kyle Seagraves:we want these things and we, we need three bedrooms, two baths.
Kyle Seagraves:This much square footage would be nice.
Kyle Seagraves:This school district be great.
Kyle Seagraves:And our lender approved us for this and we wanna stay in that price range.
Kyle Seagraves:Cool.
Kyle Seagraves:We go and look at some homes, we find a home that we like.
Kyle Seagraves:A real estate, agent's gonna help us write an offer.
Kyle Seagraves:And the offer just basically says, Hey, we'll buy this for $400,000.
Kyle Seagraves:We're gonna close in 30 days.
Kyle Seagraves:We're gonna use this lender.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, we would like you to include the washer and the dryer and the, whatever
Kyle Seagraves:that in your offer, the seller, then hopefully is gonna accept the offer.
Kyle Seagraves:After that you have a due diligence period.
Kyle Seagraves:This is negotiated, but usually about two weeks, uh, where you can.
Kyle Seagraves:Have an inspection done on the home.
Kyle Seagraves:This could be a general home inspection, could be something more
Kyle Seagraves:specific, like a chimney inspection or structural inspection if you need
Kyle Seagraves:something like that, an older home.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, so you have this inspection period where you can get an inspector out and
Kyle Seagraves:then you can potentially request repairs if you need it or back out the contract.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, if you're like, Ooh, this is way too much work.
Kyle Seagraves:We didn't expect all this.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, after the inspection, you're gonna then gonna have a appraisal.
Kyle Seagraves:The lender's gonna have an appraiser come out, make sure the home is
Kyle Seagraves:worth what we wanted a contract for.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, that's gonna come back.
Kyle Seagraves:You're also gonna be working with your loan officer again to potentially update
Kyle Seagraves:things like your bank statements, uh, your pay stubs, maybe a credit report.
Kyle Seagraves:If it's you've been shopping for a while, they're gonna tie everything together.
Kyle Seagraves:And, uh, they're gonna give you a document called a loan estimate.
Kyle Seagraves:This is gonna be three days after you get under contract is when they give you
Kyle Seagraves:that first document to finalize your.
Kyle Seagraves:And show you like all the updated terms.
Kyle Seagraves:And then you'll have your inspection, your appraisal, uh, at some point
Kyle Seagraves:in the process, your entire loan fin package is gonna be finished.
Kyle Seagraves:And this is when everything comes back, uh, your appraisal came back,
Kyle Seagraves:all your documents are submitted.
Kyle Seagraves:There's gonna be something called a title report that your lender's
Kyle Seagraves:gonna get on your behalf that most people don't even know happens.
Kyle Seagraves:Um, when they put all that together in the file, you're gonna get
Kyle Seagraves:something called, uh, a clear to close where the lender's like.
Kyle Seagraves:Everything's done.
Kyle Seagraves:We're never gonna request anything of you again.
Kyle Seagraves:We're all good to go.
Kyle Seagraves:They're then going to issue you.
Kyle Seagraves:What's called a closing disclosure.
Kyle Seagraves:And this is gonna be like your initial quote, but it's gonna have more updated
Kyle Seagraves:and finalized fees cuz every, all the third parties submitted their fees.
Kyle Seagraves:So you'd be able to say, this is our bottom line number.
Kyle Seagraves:Unfortunately, in the home buying process, it's not like one number and that's it
Kyle Seagraves:through the whole process, those numbers can change, um, slightly, depending on,
Kyle Seagraves:you know, different quotes that come in.
Kyle Seagraves:Then usually what people do is they'll schedule walkthrough of the home
Kyle Seagraves:about 24 hours before you close, uh, this to make sure like, Hey, there's.
Kyle Seagraves:Damage to the home before we move in or before we close, uh,
Kyle Seagraves:then you'll have your closing.
Kyle Seagraves:Uh, this happens differently in different states here.
Kyle Seagraves:It's very common for everyone to sit the closing table together.
Kyle Seagraves:And it's like a big kumbaya moment.
Kyle Seagraves:yeah, it's, it's a little interesting, like you say, you have the title company
Kyle Seagraves:there, the buyer, the seller, the agents, everyone signs, exchange a check too.
Kyle Seagraves:today.
Katelyn Magnuson:Oh like buyer an that is very different.
Katelyn Magnuson:Okay.
Kyle Seagraves:A lot of places that happen separately.
Kyle Seagraves:so it's kind of strange that that's happens here, but, um, then you
Kyle Seagraves:close and then your mortgage payment is due, uh, a month minimum later.
Kyle Seagraves:It's very confusing how this happens.
Kyle Seagraves:So for instance, we're at June 2nd.
Kyle Seagraves:So the first payment would not be due July 1st.
Kyle Seagraves:it would happen, um, like.
Kyle Seagraves:I'm trying to think of the easiest way to
Katelyn Magnuson:First of the month, at least 30 days after the close.
Katelyn Magnuson:So August 1st
Kyle Seagraves:Yeah.
Katelyn Magnuson:that might be still kind of convoluted, but yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:I know it's, it's all those things like
Kyle Seagraves:how do, how do you make this?
Kyle Seagraves:How do I like package this in a clear sentence?
Katelyn Magnuson:but if June, if June had 31 days and it, this
Katelyn Magnuson:was June 1st, hypothetically, then would that be a July 1st?
Katelyn Magnuson:Okay.
Kyle Seagraves:it'd still be August 1st.
Kyle Seagraves:So we're in June right now.
Kyle Seagraves:So we have to skip all of June.
Kyle Seagraves:July gets skipped.
Kyle Seagraves:The first mortgage payment is August 1st.
Kyle Seagraves:Um,
Katelyn Magnuson:But if you bought June 28th, it would still be August.
Katelyn Magnuson:I
Kyle Seagraves:correct?
Kyle Seagraves:Yeah.
Kyle Seagraves:So there's that full one month that is skipped and then you're actually
Kyle Seagraves:paying the interest in between, you know, we'd be paying mortgage interest
Kyle Seagraves:between June 2nd and the end of June
Katelyn Magnuson:think that's super helpful.
Katelyn Magnuson:Awesome.
Katelyn Magnuson:Kyle, thank you.
Katelyn Magnuson:We will be back on our next episode, chatting about.
Katelyn Magnuson:Budget and financing and all of the financial things really, because
Katelyn Magnuson:I think that's actually gonna be a little bit of a, a more in depth
Katelyn Magnuson:episode with what all we have to cover.