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Episode 1327th March 2024 • ADHD Powerful Possibilities: New and Late Diagnosis & Beyond • ADHD Coach Katherine Sanders
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Welcome back to "Powerful Possibilities: ADHD Through Every Stage," with your host and friend, Coach Katherine. This week, we're wrapping up our enlightening series on the journey of women with ADHD - from childhood through to the transformative stages of perimenopause and menopause.

In this episode, we dive deep into the challenges and strategies for navigating ADHD during these significant life changes. Join us as we discuss the latest research on hormonal shifts, explore non-medication management strategies, and share personal insights into making this journey one of empowerment and growth.

What You'll Learn:

  • The direct link between estrogen, dopamine, and ADHD symptoms.
  • Insights into hormone replacement therapy (HRT) and its complexities.
  • Practical strategies beyond medication to manage perimenopause and menopause symptoms with ADHD.
  • The importance of diet, exercise, sleep, and mindfulness in navigating these changes.
  • The role of therapy and coaching in supporting women through this transition.

If you're navigating the complex waters of ADHD and menopause, know that you're not alone. Join the conversation by sharing your experiences and strategies in the comments or on our social media pages. Don't forget to subscribe for more insights and support on your ADHD journey.

For more resources and to connect with Coach Katherine, visit https://lightbulbadhd.com

Next Week: We're shifting gears to explore ADHD's impact on executive functions in both personal and professional settings. Stay tuned for practical advice and expert insights to manage day-to-day life with ADHD.

Thank you for tuning in to "Powerful Possibilities." Remember, with the right guidance, the possibilities truly are powerful and endless. Until next time, take care and embrace your journey with kindness and courage.

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Resources Mentioned:

Dr Kathleen Nadeau: Still Distracted After all These Years https://amzn.eu/d/6KBTAr6

ADHD and Menopause: surviving the hormonal apocalypse - Previous Episode

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Elspeth Alexandra (@elspethalexa)Instagram · elspethalexa1.9K+ followers

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Your free 14 day Menopause journal: https://www.subscribepage.com/w9b2a1

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ADDA Women over 50 group: https://add.org/virtual-peer-support-group-women-50/

PMDD and ADHD/autism - This is a SERIOUS risk to health that is not really known widely enough yet. https://www.additudemag.com/pmdd-autism-adhd/#:~:text=PMDD%20disproportionately%20affects%20people%20with%20ADHD%20and%20autism%2C%20with%20up,though%20there%20are%20various%20theories.

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Transcripts

Speaker:

Welcome back.

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My friend.

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It is.

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ADHD.

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Powerful possibilities and I am your

host and friend Coach Katherine.

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It is wonderful to be back with you after.

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The cold hit.

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Our entire household and this

time last week, I could not talk.

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So I'm really happy to be back.

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This week we are exploring.

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Fresh information for us about ADHD

and perimenopause and menopause.

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It's the end of a series of four

podcasts, looking at the kind of

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journey from childhood through puberty.

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through teens through.

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Pregnancy and child

birth into perimenopause.

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And this week I'm also sharing.

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My very first guest episode with the.

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Wonderful.

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Dr.

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Kathleen Nadeau Who wrote

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still distracted after all these years.

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And if you buy any book about ADHD,

That is the one that I would recommend

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for men and women, for people of any

ages still distracted after all these

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years is a really fantastic book.

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That explores the impact of ADHD.

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As we get older.

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And I thought it would be lovely

to round off this little series.

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With an interview with somebody who

I've looked up to for years and who

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was at the forefront of research.

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On the impact of ADHD and women.

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At the time when it wasn't

even widely accepted that.

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The girls and women could have ADHD.

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So this week, we're going to focus

on perimenopause and menopause,

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and I will include a link to the

last episode I did about menopause.

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Because I think it's something

that bears repeating.

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There's a lot of talk about

HRT and about medication.

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But not all of us can take HRT and not

all of us are able to access medication.

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And supplies of both

have been unpredictable.

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I think it's worth exploring

what other aspects can we control

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or influence in our lives?

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That will improve how we feel

during menopause and perimenopause.

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But also acknowledging that.

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Scientists are doing research now

that shows the impact on our brain

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of our changing hormonal landscape.

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And I was shocked.

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How much dopamine production disappears.

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As our estrogen declines.

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And there's some research showing

that if you don't introduce HRT or

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exogenous hormones within a year of

the menopause actually starting, which

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is one year after your last period.

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Within two or three years.

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Up to half of your estrogen

production cells, which are

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faked your dopamine have gone.

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They're not coming back on.

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So even if you start.

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HRT later It's not going to be the same.

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We often think of perimenopause as

something that happens in your forties,

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but it can start to read it's head in

the thirties, which is why a lot of

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women in their thirties are recognizing

that there may be not coping with

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day-to-day life in the same way as

they were they might notice that

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their periods are more unpredictable.

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There may be a bit heavier.

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And a lot of us put things like that.

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down to stress because

you're likely to be working.

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You may have other responsibilities.

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You may have a family to care for.

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And it's easy to shrug your shoulders

and say, oh I'm getting older and one of

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the main reasons that I've spent so long

focusing on the journey of women with

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ADHD is because we do have the additional

challenge of fluctuating hormones.

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Which our brothers with ADHD.

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do not have to deal with.

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And it makes life extra

challenging for us.

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Let's be honest because we know

now that estrogen production is

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directly connected to dopamine.

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And that's why many of us find that

in that week or two before our period.

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Our medication just doesn't work so well.

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It's not that the medication

doesn't work so well.

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Our need for extra dopamine our

need for extra medication increases

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because we have lower dopamine.

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And in a recent studies that I will

include links to in the show notes.

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That confirm that.

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Increasing our medication

temporarily in the.

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Luteal phase.

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Can improve our day-to-day

lives, our experience of

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managing our executive functions.

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Our disability because

ADHD is a disability.

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From most people, at

least some of the time.

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And.

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When you go into menopause,

the question is, what do we do?

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Do we increase our

medication consistently?

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Do we try and use hormone

replacement therapy.

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And what if we can't access

one or the other of those.

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There are conflicting studies.

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Showing HRT, either benefiting.

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Long-term brain health.

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Avoiding dementia and risks like that.

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And then there are a couple of other

studies which appear to show the opposite.

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And suggest that taking HRT.

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Can make your risk of dementia rise.

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This isn't that kind of to podcast.

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We're only going to talk

about HRT and ADHD.

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But that's a conversation you need

to have with your doctor with a

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qualified medical professional.

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And I would be very careful to

check who you're talking to.

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When you are.

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Assessing the risk and benefit of

HRT just as you would with the risks

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and benefits of ADHD medication.

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The other thing to bear in mind

is that with hormone replacement

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therapy, unless you have had.

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a hysterectomy you will still have

your womb, your uterus and ovaries.

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And there's a good reason to keep

your ovaries because they do appear

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to have a protective, beneficial

effect, even past menopause.

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But if you have your uterus and

ovaries, you will need to take

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progesterone as well as estrogen.

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And that balance can take

some time to get right.

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And you might need a different

kind of progesterone.

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bear in mind it's not a simple

takes a prescription and

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off you go into the sunset.

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You might need to make

adjustments as you go along.

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And the different kinds of

HR T whether that's a gel.

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Patch tablet.

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These can also have an effect

on how you're absorbing it.

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What the side effects are and

whether it suits you or not.

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But at the moment, there isn't

any research I could find.

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Directly looking at the impact of hormone

replacement therapy on ADHD medication.

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And I did spend quite

a bit of time looking.

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There's.

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It's very difficult.

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To get funding for that type of very

specific research and it can take time.

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Wherever you decide to do the most

important thing is to make sure you're

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monitoring and recording, how you feel.

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Where the side effects are.

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You've got somebody keeping an eye on your

blood pressure and your overall health.

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Because I do know that anecdotally,

lots of women with ADHD who try

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hormone replacement therapy report.

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And to begin with until things are.

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Settle down.

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They can have more experience of

mood swings and that tracks for

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me because of the sensitivity.

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That we seem to have towards.

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Average levels of hormones.

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During a regular cycle.

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One of the reasons I mentioned Dr.

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Nadeau at the start is because her

book still distracted after all

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these years includes an acronym.

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MENDSS which I have decided is going

to be the cornerstone of my life going

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forward, but also includes things are

beneficial for us when we're going

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through perimenopause and menopause.

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The simple interventions

are not the easy ones.

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It may feel.

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Too simple.

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To say something like improving

your sleep can help your.

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Experience of menopause.

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But that's because it's

not easy and upfront.

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I'm going to see these things

are simple, but they're not

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always easy or straightforward.

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And some of that is down to the physical

side effects of peri-menopause and ADHD.

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And some of that is down to

our unique circumstances and

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privilege or lack of privilege.

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The elements of MENDSS, which

are relevant for us here.

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are things like diet.

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And.

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Particularly looking at protein.

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And omega three.

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Fatty acids.

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And we know that.

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The right amount of omega three can help

with cognition, with your thinking,

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as well as your emotional regulation.

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But we also know that.

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As we get older, as we're busy,

we tend to drop off a little bit.

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on the focus on.

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Making sure we get plenty of

fruit, vegetables, protein,

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and a more balanced diet.

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So it doesn't need to be extreme.

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But focusing on that type

of basic whole food diet.

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When possible.

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Can make a real difference to

how you experience menopause.

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And this is particularly important

in the context of privilege.

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Because there are ways

to make that easier.

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And.

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There are ways to make that cheaper.

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The ways to make it convenient

are not always the most cheap.

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Or easy to access.

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And so your unique circumstance

and constellation of factors.

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will come into how you approach

things like changing your diet.

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But I would say that it is the most

impactful thing you can do apart

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from the next one, which is exercise.

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Yes again, exercise.

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In perimenopause and

menopause, it's different.

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We're not aiming for extremely

intense aerobic exercise.

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We're not aiming for the

same type of program.

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It's more an emphasis on.

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Building up your muscles.

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Because that will counteract both the.

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Perceived to decline in

your And your metabolism.

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It also means you're reducing

your risk of osteoporosis.

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And the more muscle you have the.

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Generally better, your body works.

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So in perimenopause and menopause,

It would be wise to move

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away from focusing on cardio.

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On its own.

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Making sure that you have at least two

to three sessions of weight bearing

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resistance exercise every week.

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And I will include links to two coaches.

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I know online in the UK and

one in the states who are

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particularly relevant in this area.

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They are just people.

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I know who I respect.

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There's nothing beyond it.

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This isn't diary of a CEO.

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And the reason you want to include

some aerobic exercise is because

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it's very good for your brain,

for your executive functions.

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So while resistance exercises.

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Magnificent for your body

and for your longterm health.

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The aerobic exercise helps your

brain to stay healthy and active.

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And combining both of them.

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Is wonderful.

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There was a controversy this

week with someone taking issue.

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On one of these elastic band,

bungee type of exercise classes.

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And berating women for doing anything

rather than taking action in the gym.

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Personally, I think it looks wonderful

because the most important thing about

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exercise is what it does for your mood.

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And anyone who's gone through

perimenopause and menopause

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will tell you your mood.

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will be volatile.

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It's almost like you're going

through puberty at the other end.

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And of course the other thing

that changes as we go through

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puberty is our ability to sleep.

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We might.

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We might have been children who resisted

sleep and then sleep all the time.

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And perimenopause and menopause

are sleep changes again.

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Our need for sleep may decrease

slightly, but our ability to get

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a good sleep changes radically.

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Now f or me, this is the hardest one

personally, because my ADHD brain

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wakes up about four in the morning.

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And if my sleep is disturbed,

for instance, if I'm too hot

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and I'm very uncomfortable.

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If my brain wakes up at that point, then.

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It's very difficult for

me to get back to sleep.

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I'm just going to get up and start work.

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If that's you.

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We need to think about

moving bed team further back.

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And sleep is so important

for your mental health.

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For your physical brain health.

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The way that our brains are cleaned.

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At night.

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I will include links to some wonderful

studies I've been looking at about how

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important it is to get that sleep for

your long-term brain health but also

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emotionally, we need to feel rested.

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We need to feel recovered.

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And I think the hardest thing for

lots of people in perimenopause

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and menopause is that.

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Exactly the moment you need more sleep.

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And more rest.

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Your body decides?

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Nope.

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We're going to wake up at a hot sweat.

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We are going to have leg cramps.

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We are going to be constantly

aching, and your joints is

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connected to your menopause and.

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The lack of estrogen as well.

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And obviously the.

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The things that we can do

about that are limited.

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Medication in this instance,

doesn't really help because

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it just makes you unconscious.

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The physiological process of sleep.

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Isn't the one that you experience

when you're taking sleeping tablets.

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As far as possible, we want to front load

success with sleep and that includes.

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Making sure we are away from electronics?

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Making sure that we go

to bed at the same time.

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Crucially get up at the same time

every day and ideally see daylight

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as quickly as possible for me that.

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7:00 AM start every day of the week.

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with when it's not pouring rain,

a coffee outside with my dogs.

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And that does seem to help quite a lot.

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But the next step for me is making sure

that I am getting to bed early enough.

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And I'm actually trialing one

of these phone safes, where

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you lock your phone away.

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So you can't touch it.

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Because for me, it's not.

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Emotionally I'm connected

to it, but it's a habit.

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The picking up the scrolling is a habit.

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So I'm changing that I will

let you know how that goes.

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But see what works for you and identify

if you can where are the things that

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are getting between you and sleep.

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' cause I feel like that is

the foundation for everything

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else that we're trying to do.

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And of course.

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A bit of mindfulness.

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A bit of presence.

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A bit of being mindful

in the present moment.

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Moving mindfulness.

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These are all very helpful because

they reduce our levels of stressour

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cortisol response goes down.

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And.

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Again, We experience higher levels

of stress, physical stress during

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perimenopause and menopause.

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Which has a significant health impact.

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And can mess up your sleep.

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So it's almost like this wonderful

wheel of things that can go

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wrong, but also things that are.

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Potentially within our power to make

changes in one element at a time.

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And I wanted to talk a

little bit today about.

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Therapy and coaching during

perimenopause and menopause.

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If you have ADHD.

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CBT cognitive behavioral

therapy, high school.

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A very negative reputation at

the moment, among many people and

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the ADHD and autism community.

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I can understand why.

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Because there are some elements of it,

which are not particularly friendly

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to our way of seeing the world and.

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The basis is what you think.

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It influences your behavior.

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And.

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They're asking us to change our

thoughts to change our behavior.

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thought and the emotion.

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And the sensation comes

before the thought.

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And then asking us to change

our thinking or a thought.

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Either it doesn't connect, it doesn't

work for us, or it feels like it's an

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invalidation of what we're experiencing.

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why some people find CBT.

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To be unhelpful.

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an experienced CBT practitioner.

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With enough information about ADHD.

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Perhaps they also have ADHD or autism.

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Can offer a really well structured plan.

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For dealing with the practical

implications of ADHD and Dr.

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Susan Young, who I've mentioned before.

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Has written a lot about

how to CBT, practically and

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sensitively for people with ADHD.

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But you might want to explore something

like DBT, which is an offshoot of CBT.

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Or even acceptance and commitment

therapy, which is again, A

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different form of therapy.

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focused on making positive changes.

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And I don't mean positive as in the

smiley hearts and flowers type of.

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Toxic positivity.

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In the practical sense.

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It's about moving forward.

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And it operates from a position

of all things being well.

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And although it may not feel like

it perimenopause and menopause

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are normal stages of life.

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Where we're experiencing problems that

could be supported by changes that we

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maybe struggled to make on our own.

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ADHD coaching can help

you to meet those changes.

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But in a way it works for you.

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And it's very personalized.

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Therapy would be looking at be looking

at something like your limiting beliefs

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and your negative thought patterns.

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And there are elements of that

was in ADHD coaching because we do

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have to recognize when they pop up.

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And one of my jobs is to catch that story.

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That belief for you.

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I don't change it.

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That's the job of yourself.

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And therapy.

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With ADHD coaching.

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We have an element of that.

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Where it's impacting things like

managing your routine about going to bed.

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Is there something getting in

your way of going to bed on time?

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If it's a therapeutic issue, then we pass

that back to a therapist or counselor.

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But if it's a.

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Simple one where we can have a look at it.

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Identify what's in your way.

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And then come up with a more joyful.

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Possible alternative.

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That's a coaching process.

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And I do think there's a great

value in having a partner.

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in an ADHD.

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Coach.

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Because.

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It's an equal relationship.

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I I'm somebody who's studied it a

lot, but I'm just a human being.

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Ethical guidelines and boundaries

aside I'm a partner, not a leader.

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The benefits of ADHD coaching.

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And that partnership is that

you have a companion while you.

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You go through these changes.

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And they can allow you to reflect.

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On what's happening and you will

have insights that you may be don't

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have time for in day to day life.

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And one of our jobs is to

give you that space and time.

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To identify things.

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Your brain is recognizing, but you

don't have the opportunity to ponder.

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And to adjust.

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And of course.

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Another benefit of having a

coaching partner is we can

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support you to self-compassion.

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And those sort of practical self care.

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Practices.

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in place.

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And it's difficult without a partner.

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who gives you that time and space.

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And who gives you that

focus and attention?

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That.

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Unquestioning acceptance and support.

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To process a lot of the emotional changes.

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And it allows you to build up the

self-compassion because somebody else is

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going to model that compassion for you.

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And then you will start to

recognize it when you're using

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those words and those ideas.

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With yourself.

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And that is.

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Incredibly powerful.

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Because very often.

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By the time you're in

perimenopause and menopause.

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You are the person who's

doing that for other people.

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There may not be much space for it.

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With others.

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If you have friends.

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Who are wonderful and accepting.

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There lately to be just as busy.

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As you are the thinly spread jam

in the middle of the sandwich.

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And a coach allows you to

have, and hold that space.

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At the same time, if

things are going well.

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It doesn't feel like you need to

drag something up to be fixed.

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Because coaching assumes

that you are already whole.

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And capable and creative and resourceful.

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And our job is to.

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Hold that mirror up and reflect all the

good, amazing stuff that we see back.

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So you can identify it to.

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Building and self-compassion

does take practice, but it is.

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So powerful.

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When it comes to.

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Accepting and moving through

this next stage of life.

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I used a phrase earlier today.

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Embracing your crone energy.

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There's a lot of talk about main

character energy, but if you've ever

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heard of the mother maiden crone

idea, All of the stages of womanhood.

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When you enter menopause, you are

officially in your crone era but there's

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a freedom and that power there, which is

so different from any other state in life.

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And to allow yourself to embrace that.

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Gently with compassion as you transition

from the mother into the crone.

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Can be a challenge.

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And that's a good reason to have

either a social support network

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friends who had at the same point

or someone like a thinking partner.

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A coach, a counselor or someone.

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Who can accompany you and allow you to.

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Decide what that looks like for you.

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But when do you look

for professional help?

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Personally, I think you need

to make friends with your GP.

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If you have a gynaecoloist in the states.

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Make sure you have someone who

acknowledges the reality of the

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challenges of menopause and that

these are avoidable for lots of women.

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Who doesn't just tell you

to go away and lose weight.

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The same in the UK.

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If your GP just told you to

go away and go on a diet.

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And it doesn't check your thyroid,

your iron levels, your blood pressure.

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These things.

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Find someone who does.

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And I'm aware that in the

context of the health service

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in the UK, that is not easy.

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I'm not bashing doctors.

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They're all facing a very difficult time.

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but you don't have to suffer.

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And if your mood is persistently low, if

you're feeling constantly anxious, if it's

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anxiety, that's waking you up at night,

rather than your regular busy ADHD brain.

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That is a very good point to

go and speak with your doctor.

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Many people have told me that HRT

resolve that anxiety for them.

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But it may be that you need

to look at something else.

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And that's why it's great to have

a checkup, an mot, if you like.

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And if you're looking for

support around exercise around

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nutrition, any of these things.

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Find people who really

know what it's like.

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Again, I'll include links below to a few

professionals that I trust and respect.

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And remember that you are.

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The only person who's going to

experience your constellation

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of ADHD and menopause symptoms.

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So if other people have horror

stories, It's awful, but you don't

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necessarily have to go through that.

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And if you are having a really difficult

time, And things like diet and sleep and

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nutrition and exercise are beyond you.

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Because of your ADHD.

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Get that treated first, get that

support first, because very often.

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And the same way as

antidepressants allow a.

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Person who's experiencing

depression to engage.

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And be supported with therapy.

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Sometimes we need the ADHD medication

first, so we can make the lifestyle

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changes that are essential.

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And then it becomes this wonderful circle

of ever improving health and wellbeing.

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Although this was a very

short episode today.

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I want to flag up the

other menopause episode.

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And thank you again for listening.

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We're moving on to pastures

new and looking at.

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The executive functions more globally.

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So things that will affect

your day-to-day life at home

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and in work.

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And those will begin in April.

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After the guest episode with Dr.

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Kathleen Nadeau.

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So thank you again for listening.

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I have put together.

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Some resources for you.

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Which you can access through

a link in the show notes.

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You can also find it through my website.

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I'll try to remember to include

it in any posts that I make.

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And if you want to know more about ADHD

and coaching, you can always visit my

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website, which is light bulb, adhd.com.

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Thank you again for being with me today.

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I hope that this has given you some hope

that you can make changes, that will make

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a difference to how you feel everyday.

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I look forward to seeing

you again very soon.

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Please get in touch.

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If you have any questions

about today's show.

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ADHD, or if you've got ideas for what

you want me to talk about in future.

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I look forward to being

with you next week.

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And in the meantime, until

we meet again, Take care.

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