Welcome to the inaugural episode of the Hip Hop Movie Club podcast. Your HHMCs Boogie, DynoWright, and JB are discussing BEAT STREET, the 1984 classic starring Rae Dawn Chong, Guy Davis, Jon Chardiet and a who's who of early hip hop artists.
Beat Street on IMDb and Pluto TV
The New York City Breakers and the Rock Steady Crew
"Don't Disturb This Groove" by The System
"1984" ad by Apple Computer, in which we accidentally referenced Orson Welles instead of George Orwell 🤪
Guy Davis, blues guitarist
The classic breakdance battle at the Roxy
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me to season one, episode one:Beat Street.
JB:Beat Street released in 1984 is a quintessential 80s east coast hip hop film,
JB:contains all the elements of early hip-hop culture: the music, the breakdancing,
JB:the artwork in the form of graffiti, the entire b-boy lifestyle was introduced there. The movie
JB:itself features a young man Kenny and his younger brother Lee and their friends Ramon and Chollie
JB:as they hoped to make a name for themselves in the South Bronx of New York during the infancy of hip
JB:hop as we know it today. Wrought with beat boxes, spray paint cans, house parties, the club scene,
JB:breakdancing and legendary cameo hip hop artist appearances, Beat Street's like stepping into a
JB:museum of early east coast hip hop culture. It should be required watching for people of all
JB:ages that consider themselves fans of the hip hop genre. It's a definition of the b-boy era in a
JB:coming-of-age story about the young crew. Keep in mind this is 1984 and this is an instant classic.
JB:So what did we like about this film? Want to kick us off, Boogie?
Boogie:Okay so this is one of my favorite movies growing up. I cannot tell you how
Boogie:many times I've watched this movie. I love that it incorporated the four elements of hip
Boogie:hop and it came across as really authentic. Start with the main character Kenny he was
Boogie:a DJ and he was also dubbed as one of the early versions of an MC, hyping the crowd.
Boogie:There were also other DJs featured throughout the film you also have various stages of the MC,
Boogie:including those who ran at the local clubs and also to the well-established
Boogie:Roxy night club. And you had your local girl group that performed at the house parties.
Boogie:The breaking was top-notch you know what the Magnificent Force, the New York City Breakers
Boogie:and the Rock Steady Crew all make cameos in this film. All classics. And then you have Ramon
Boogie:who was just a local graffiti artist but he put his burners on the subway cars and walls
Boogie:and even the jealousy element you have the guy Spit who came across and defaces the artwork. You
Boogie:have all four elements of hip hop you got the MC, your DJ, your MC, you had your breakdances, your
Boogie:B-Boys and you also had your graffiti artists. That was one of the main things I liked about it.
JB:Nice, Boogie. Yeah, I agree. I mean it had everything that that you'd
JB:want to see and that was a lifestyle back then, that's what kids would do
JB:and like I said I like that it's like a coming of age story, you know. These young guys,
JB:they're trying to make a name for themselves. It's not a glamorous life, it's tough.
JB:It's tough out there on the streets but you see Ramon who had fathered a child with his girlfriend
JB:and he's learning the way the ways of the world in terms of he's finally getting
JB:to the point where he he's becoming a man and trying to be responsible and he ends up getting
JB:a job and not only just doing his artwork. But he becomes a man and unfortunately tragedy hits
JB:towards the end and they lose him but you see that community all come together and support. It's a
JB:brotherhood, it's a whole family and that whole culture was all about that. I really enjoyed it.
DynoWright:I enjoyed it too and having never seen it before which is crazy because it's a
DynoWright:classic and I missed out on it. But it was really cool to see all these early hip hop legends, it
DynoWright:was a lot of famous rappers I've listened to for a long time but never really seen on screen and all
DynoWright:of that. I did have to watch the credits again to see who was who because there were so many of them
DynoWright:but it was really fun to see. And we can talk about this later but
DynoWright:we see Kool Moe Dee without his sunglasses, like I didn't recognize him without it.
DynoWright:I didn't recognize him without his sunglasses. So it was a lot of fun stuff i
DynoWright:really liked in this movie, early hip hop who's who, at least the rappers.
JB:Yeah for sure. So Boogie you can expand upon this a little bit more. There's Doug E. Fresh
JB:who was he is the best beat boxer ever, he was there. And then the Treacherous Three
JB:is where Kool Moe Dee got started, so you want to go through who those artists were?
Boogie:a quick rundown of some of the cameos, you got Afrika Bambaataa,
Boogie:the Soulsonic Force, you had DJ Jazzy Jay, you got the Us Girls who consist of
Boogie:Lisa Lee, Debbie D and Sha-Rock. Sha-Rock originally from the Funky Four Plus One,
Boogie:original mother of hip hop. Kool Herc one of the fathers of hip hop, if you don't know who Herc is,
Boogie:Google is your friend. The Treacherous Three, Kool Moe Dee, Special K and L.A. Sunshine. Of
Boogie:course we mentioned Doug E. Fresh. We have Grandmaster Melle Mel and the Furious Five,
Boogie:Grandmaster Flash and then you have Brenda K. Starr, Wanda Dee and The System. You don't know
Boogie:who The System are, look them up as well, Google is also your friend. Theme song
Boogie:to "Coming to America", "Don't Disturb This Groove" they put some nice classics out, yes.
DynoWright:Yeah "Don't Disturb This Groove" is one of the best songs ever.
Boogie:Yeah from the opening riff that guitar, yeah. (Laughing.)
JB:Yeah with DJ Kool Herc, he was featured prominently in the Netflix show "Hip Hop
JB:Evolution" and he's pretty much brought the sound systems and the house parties.
JB:He was hustling before anybody else and bringing hip hop to the masses in New York and
JB:people call him sometimes the Godfather of Hip Hop, you know you may not
JB:know his name as much as you know some of the original hip hop groups you know
JB:like the Sugar Hill Gang and Run D.M.C. but DJ Kool Herc deserves just as much credit.
JB:That was awesome that he was he played a role in there at the Burning Spear nightclub where Kenny
JB:really got his big break in front of the talent agent. The music was great. I love also that
JB:the music is not just you know about the beats and scratches but there's a lot of strength and power,
JB:political commentary in the lyrics. I like at the very end as very uplifting I think it was
JB:Grand... was it Grandmaster Melle Mel you know they they had we're talking about
JB:yeah talking about you know they talk about Iwo Jima, they talk about Vietnam, they talk about
JB:all these wars, right? And then they talk about egomaniacs controlling the self-righteous,
JB:learning from the past, working for the future. And then they're inspiring the children in
JB:the audience, the young folks saying listen, you're the future so uh grab it by the horns.
DynoWright:There was a reference to being a slave to a computer which is funny because it's in 1984.
Boogie:Just took the words right out of my mouth, don't be a slave to your computer, yep!
DynoWright:And now look at us doing this on computers.
DynoWright:Everyone has a computer in their pocket. If they only had known back then.
JB:Yeah it's uh well 1984, right that's when that
JB:epic ad came out from Apple based on Orson Welles' 1984 right? and yeah saying you know so
JB:the future was you know they were foretelling the future there for sure.
DynoWright:People should remember 1984 isn't that far from the end of the Vietnam War
DynoWright:so, something on people's minds back
DynoWright:that then, that Melle Mel is still talking about it. It was a relevant thing.
Boogie:Yeah.
JB:Yeah, also you know that there were incidents in within the movie that super poignant again
JB:today. If you you see what's happening where Lee gets uh you know arrested along
JB:with some other folks with just really dance fighting, right? And it was literally like a
JB:racial profiling of these folks and they just get locked up. His mother has to come bail him
JB:out. They were doing no harm to anybody and you know this obviously still happens today.
JB:It's revealed that by Kenny and Lee's mother at the breakfast scene I believe. And it also
JB:later on when when Kenny is courting Tracy that he lost an older brother
JB:Franklin when he got caught up in the gang scene and the cops came in and his his words
JB:you know "folks got wasted and my brother was one of those' so very relevant to today.
Boogie:Yeah there were there were a lot of little easter eggs planted throughout the movie
Boogie:too. There was another scene that that always sticks out with me and every time I hear it
Boogie:it kind of resonates with me because I know some of the history of what was going on in the Bronx
Boogie:at the time. One of them was as you mentioned with the scene with Franklin being wasted by
Boogie:with the gang violence and there was another one when they first
Boogie:were having a house party and and Henry was downstairs banging on the pipes and they went
Boogie:downstairs see where the noise was coming from and he was telling him that he was looking for
Boogie:for his friend that he served in the military with and they were standing you know there was a fire
Boogie:and you know immediate response was he was in a fire and he said no the building was on fire
Boogie:the landlord set the building on fire five times. And you know that was very prevalent in that time
Boogie:frame and you know there was always the phrase "The Bronx is burning" - you know, the landlords
Boogie:were setting their buildings on fire to commit basically insurance fraud you know they were they
Boogie:were getting payouts and they were skipping out and you had all of these abandoned buildings some
Boogie:of them were still standing some of them were in ruin but you get this layout as if there's a war
Boogie:torn country in the middle of New York, in the Bronx because these buildings
Boogie:were getting burned down so these landlords could collect money. And that's the little
Boogie:small easter egg that they planted in there but every time I hear it it always resonates with me
Boogie:because it took a long time for the Bronx to recover and i mean even Brooklyn same thing.
JB:Yeah way to drop the knowledge there, Boogie, that's that's good knowledge.
DynoWright:Shout out to BX! Boogie: X!
DynoWright:(Laughing) JB:
DynoWright:I was wondering you know we try to analyze these movies and like
DynoWright:I said a lot of stuff is still on point and relevant but you know I do have to mention
DynoWright:there was one scene that was I guess was a little bit cringe-worthy with a homophobic aspect of it
DynoWright:with the Santa Claus scene where they did a rap. It was hilarious in terms of the concept, in terms
DynoWright:of jingle jangle for the poor, you know. They're talking about Santa not coming through and giving
DynoWright:them a G.I. Joe, a G.I. Joe toy but, you know, if they had to redo it, i'm sure they would have
DynoWright:reworded it. You know there was a part where he inferred that the G.I. Joe figure was gay and then
DynoWright:it was inferred that his his sexuality was questioned, things like that.
DynoWright:But remember it was back –not that it's ever acceptable– back then it was a lot
DynoWright:more commonplace but obviously if they had to do it again they would remove that scene overall.
DynoWright:1984 is close to the beginning of the AIDS crisis
DynoWright:which affected a lot of gay men, not that it was an excuse to have those comments in there,
DynoWright:but a lot of people weren't aware of gay culture and so that's what it was like back then.
DynoWright:There was a lot of this homophobic stuff going around.
Boogie:Yeah. A lot of uncertainty, a lot of stereotypes.
JB:Yep.
Boogie:A lot of stigmas.
DynoWright:Right.
JB:But overall if you go back to the Santa, it was it was funny they're calling him a drunk,
JB:they're cursing, they're dropping the f-bomb at him and I was like that's pretty pretty funny
JB:and uh well before the uh the Bad Santa movies with Billy Bob Thornton and stuff
JB:like that so kind of, uh cutting edge in terms of the, the concept. No one badmouthed Santa.
Boogie:That's one of my favorite scenes though because just out of the pure concept of them,
Boogie:you know taking shots at Santa Claus for for not getting what they wanted like so so much
Boogie:so much so that i actually have a t-shirt with that scene on the front of it (laughing).
DynoWright:Is that right? JB: That's right.
Boogie:I almost, I forgot to put it on today but um
Boogie:yeah I'll pass it around one time for one of the other episodes you can get a glance at it.
DynoWright:You should send us a picture of that, put it in our Instagram Stories.
JB:Yeah, yeah that that's a great idea. Yeah I mean there was some there were some humorous
JB:things throughout the film which which made me crack a smile. Obviously the fashion back then
JB:we always laugh at now. What we were wearing in the 80s, right, we laugh at our old pictures back
JB:in the 80s. But the fashions that the Us Girls were wearing and some of the other folks. However,
JB:you know this set the stage for kids are still wearing these, there's Kangol hats, there was um
JB:you know sideways caps, the loose fitting pants, parachute pants and things like that.
JB:You know, Puma sneakers and whatnot. I also thought some of the dialogue was was just
JB:really funny to break things up. There was a scene with Kenny was jawing with with
JB:Ramon and then Chollie actually I think it was Chollie that was jawing with Ramon and Kenny
JB:breaks it up by pretending to be a newscaster and just laughing his way through it, right?
Boogie:(laughing)
JB:Providing humor and uh yeah that was good and I like Kenny and Lee's mother uh
JB:rapping at the breakfast table a little bit too, telling him hey
JB:eat your eggs before I break your legs, so little little things like that were cracking me up.
Boogie:Yeah the one who played his mother, Mary Alice, she's a gem.
Boogie:She's played a mother in a bunch of movies that I've seen
Boogie:and it's always good to see her on screen. She's always brings a little bit of wit to her role.
JB:Yeah. Yeah that's great so while we get into a little bit of that as well is some of these actors
JB:and actresses, right? You may have recognized them from other things or maybe you didn't know
JB:about them but uh Guy Davis who plays Kenny was the son of activists, writers, prominent figures
JB:in African American culture Ossie Davis and Ruby Dee. I mean that that's just remarkable.
Boogie:Yeah.
DynoWright:He's an accomplished blues guitar player, which I should have known, being a
DynoWright:guitar player. But I didn't know (yeah) he's an actual musician in the movie and in real life.
Boogie:Yeah my mom told me that.
Boogie:She actually came across him on something, might have been Facebook
Boogie:and um I think she used to communicate with him on there as well, yeah. He's an actual musician.
JB:Yeah and as Boogie mentioned the breakdancing crews were famous crews at the battle at the Roxy,
JB:New York City Breakers and the Rock Steady Crew and uh that was an epic scene at the Roxy for
JB:sure. There were a few different dance scenes that it you got to check them out even if you just pull
JB:up the clip on YouTube put in Beat Street break dancing at the Roxy that is well worth your time.
Boogie:Yeah that that's probably one of the most iconic breakdancing battles ever caught on film,
Boogie:in a movie. Just amazing amazing footwork. Of course it had to be the battle ending with the
Boogie:iconic Crazy Legs removing the sneakers and going into a crab walk that was amazing (laughing).
JB:And that was like the mic drop moment right there.
Boogie:Basically yeah that was the mic drop right there (laughing)
JB:But also co-produced, the movie was co-produced by Harry Belafonte which we
JB:were talking about and we didn't realize that or maybe we had forgotten it to the recesses of
JB:our mind. But the legendary Harry Belafonte ,you know he put this, he put this on film.
JB:And he wanted to portray –he's from that area– the South Bronx and he wanted to just
JB:say, this is the culture and put it out there on film. And help to inspire a lot of folks.
Boogie:Yeah. Directed by Stan Lathan. You know, coincidentally a few hours ago I was upstairs
Boogie:watching a comedy special and who of course produced it was Stan Lathan. He produced uh
Boogie:all these iconic comedy shows, Def Comedy Jams. This one I happened to be watching
Boogie:was uh was Earthquake. You got Chappelle and and you know Chris Rock, all these iconic
Boogie:performances, he's been a producer for those. And also you know father of Sanaa Lathan (laughing).
JB:Yeah well Dave Chappelle's Real Husbands of Hollywood,
JB:I saw. If you look up his history he's done a lot of great work.
Boogie:He has an impressive track record, yeah.
JB:And father of Sanaa, right?
Boogie:Yep, future father-in-law.
Boogie:(Laughing)
JB: : JB: :Actress Sanaa Lathan and who's quite the looker and uh yeah she's quite accomplished herself.
JB: :Another fun fact the role of Robert who was Tracy's boss at the –I'm going to call it–
JB: :the community center for the arts, right, it was played by Duane Jones who was was Ben,
JB: :prominent figure in "Night of Living Dead" that was interesting fact that I discovered.
Boogie:Yeah. And of course we got Tracy.
JB:Yeah yeah you want to talk about Tracy?
Boogie:Yeah Tracy, who's played by Rae Dawn Chong who is the the daughter of the iconic comedian
Boogie:and partner of Cheech and Chong, Mr. Tommy Chong. Like she's been in a bunch of movies as well um
Boogie:in the 80s and um some some good roles so um yeah it's always good to see her on screen. You
Boogie:know this is probably one of probably one of her earlier roles but she had a very important role
Boogie:as well because she was one of the people who kind of brought hope to the crew. You
Boogie:know they were all looking to make their way and just by pure coincidence and being in the
Boogie:right place at the right time and crossing paths with Lee. She started off a little bumpy but she
Boogie:actually ended up providing some hope and gave Kenny some assistance in making his envision
Boogie:making his vision on how to memorialize and commemorate the life of Ramon, helped
Boogie:him bring that to fruition. So she played a very important role in the movie from my perspective.
JB:Yeah for sure they realized they have a lot in common because she was a
JB:composer, she was a choreographer and she was looking at the music musical aspect of it well
JB:they were able to collaborate because uh Kenny was DJ as well. Towards the end when you know
JB:Melle Mel does the iconic Beat Street song and the tribute to Ramon and following that
JB:you see a minister come out on the stage and tell the kids to believe it, right? And that
JB:minister is played by Bernard Fowler who if you don't know has a long history with the Rolling
JB:Stones as a backup singer he's quite accomplished as well. Very star-studded cast overall.
JB:In another musical tidbit for the younger generation,
JB:Biggie...Notorious B.I.G. had a song called "Suicidal Thoughts" and he actually has a
JB:line in his song that references Beat Street, says "should I die on the train
JB:tracks like around my own Beat Street people at the funeral front and like to miss me"
JB:so there's been a couple other songs that reference Beat Street and it holds up to this day.
Boogie:Absolutely.
Boogie:(Music)
JB: : JB: :So I also wanted to ask you guys, Boogie and DynoWright, do you think this movie could be
JB: :made again today? If so, how?
Boogie:I think that it could because I think in this day right now there's a big, I mean there's
Boogie:this there's a lot of a thirst for retro programs and the retro look and just everybody wants the
Boogie:retro everything. And even you look at some of the shows and the movies that are coming
Boogie:out now they're all like remakes or revisiting old iconic shows and movies that we grew up on,
Boogie:things like that. There was a show that was on Netflix, unfortunately it was canceled,
Boogie:it was called The Get Down. If you ever get a chance to check that out, if you
Boogie:haven't that's a great show. It actually it's fiction but it takes place in the Bronx as well
Boogie:and it kind of starts off with the beginning of how hip hop started with these actual the parties
Boogie:and they actually references Kool Herc and a couple of other guys, prominent figures
Boogie:from that time throwing these parties and who's going to go to these parties. And it also talks
Boogie:about the the night that the Great Blackout of New York where there was a lot of looting and everyone
Boogie:became DJs because they were able to get their hands on some good equipment (laughing) but...
JB:I remember seeing (sorry about that).
Boogie:Yeah but that show it was so great, it was such a great show. I think because of that show
Boogie:becoming so iconic and having such a strong following that I mean if you were to even imagine
Boogie:you know mention putting Beat Street out there I think that you know the world will gobble it
Boogie:up. I mean you don't even have to call it Beat Street you can call it something else
Boogie:but it would have the same premise but yeah I think, I think it would hold up.
JB:I totally agree and in fact I know how it could work if we pitch this or someone pitches
JB:this to Lin-Manuel Miranda, right? Because I love the confluence of the cultures you have
JB:Ramon who who's of Puerto Rican descent, you have the young African American kids, and you see
JB:even some Spanish songs, right? I know Lin-Manuel Miranda was influenced by old school hip hop. You
JB:see it obviously throughout Hamilton which is all hip-hop which was just a brilliant idea and just
JB:to this day is just super successful, made a ton of money and got a lot of more people into hip
JB:hop and American history. You know Beat Street is all about a huge part of American history
JB:with the B-boy era in the early hip hop and so like I think it could be done just like this,
JB:and I think people would love it. He could just enhance upon some of the songs
JB:and I mean great I mean if you think about it Steven Spielberg just remade West Side Story.
Boogie:Right.
JB:Which if i'm not mistaken set like in the 50s and he didn't modernize it which
JB:I love. It was not like you know we're going to do a different twist on it and
JB:stuff like that. He had it like exactly so we can preserve this and just add it
JB:what if we put it into like 4K you know and have these personalities and have
JB:cameos from from these same legends that made their appearances that would be incredible.
Boogie:Yeah i think it would work.
JB:Yeah.
Boogie:I think you want to get Steven on the phone (laughing)
JB:(Laughing) Exactly.
DynoWright:I think the movie could be remade. I think you can remake this movie but I don't think
DynoWright:you can make this movie as a new film today. The culture is not new anymore it's like 40 plus years
DynoWright:old now. This movie was like a clarion call like here's this new culture and here's this new thing
DynoWright:that people don't know about and it's going to become bigger and bigger
DynoWright:so for that reason, I think. I don't know what's going on underground right now that
DynoWright:would become as big as hip hop and could make a movie similar to Beat Street on that.
Boogie:Right.
DynoWright:Newer filmmaking techniques you know maybe not modernizing it like Spielberg
DynoWright:did with West Side Story you know? This is like 16 years before like bullet time in The Matrix.
DynoWright:It'd be interesting to see how they would remake this film with modern filmmaking techniques.
DynoWright:I'm not sure how you would make a film as a brand new statement about an emerging culture right now.
Boogie:Right.
DynoWright:You could say that hip hop is the last great big American
DynoWright:cultural export of this scale since jazz.
Boogie:Yeah.
JB:It's funny you mentioned exports. I was reading how this film specifically had a big
JB:influence on German culture, the youth in Germany as the Berlin Wall, you know in the
JB:tensions between East and West Germany and this is something that really united the youth and gave
JB:them something to to embrace back then so that that really brought hip hop over in the dancing,
JB:breakdancing to that part of Europe for sure. So yeah I'm glad you used that term export there.
JB:So Boogie is the DJ of our crew here literally he has a DJ business, doing it for years. Did
JB:you own the soundtrack for Beat Street and if not would you, would you buy it?
Boogie:I absolutely owned it and I was trying to look, I don't have it in my stack over there it's
Boogie:actually sitting in my mom my mom's house. I have a collection that that I keep at my mom's house
Boogie:but if you look at the picture (oops) get it there (oops) that's not it where is, it at I just had it
Boogie:where is it? I just had it there we go.
DynoWright:Levi's showing it to us on his phone.
JB:Yeah. yeah.
DynoWright:He's got the vinyl!
Boogie:That's volume one.
DynoWright:You have volume two too?!
Boogie:Volume two!
DynoWright:Wow I read that this was the first movie that had a two volume soundtrack.
Boogie:Yeah, it probably was because I know a lot of my other
Boogie:soundtracks it was just like one one right one record or it would
Boogie:it might have a double album but it would all be in one one sleeve.
DynoWright:Right.
Boogie:Yeah I had two two separate sleeves I've owned those albums since the movie came
Boogie:out (laughing) and they stay still play maybe a little bump in the road here and there but they're
Boogie:still pretty good in pretty good condition so yeah by all means that's the soundtrack.
DynoWright:We'll put that in our Instagram Stories.
JB:Yeah I love the nostalgia. Was there anything that you guys
JB:didn't like or or felt was lacking in the film?
Boogie:You know what there was a little hokiness in it occasionally but I think that's just as I
Boogie:watch it as an adult. I mean as a child it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Boogie:I didn't see much humor in it, it was more so this movie is great oh my god my mind is blown.
Boogie:Mid-40s now I watch it now and of course I could see some of the funny stuff in it
Boogie:that wasn't intentional but if you watch any 80s film in your mid-40s you're going to find some
Boogie:things in it that are humorous even though they weren't meant to be so but that's probably about
Boogie:it. Yeah that's probably about it with me but even those little little nuances aren't enough
Boogie:to detract away from the classic status that I have with Beat Street (laughing).
JB:Yeah I mean the only thing I mentioned before is you know the the unfortunate the homophobic...
Boogie:Oh yeah.
JB:slur which I know is important and uh but again we've progressed so much as a culture
JB:we're so as a whole we're open-minded obviously there's very large pockets
JB:of folks that are not open-minded right and not embracing all walks of life all
JB:sexual orientations and et cetera but that one obviously they they need a mulligan for that one.
JB:I really enjoyed it so much that the only thing that I thought was lacking was that I wish there
JB:was like an epilogue or where are they now because there was while there was uh two parts to the
JB:soundtrack, there was not a sequel to Beat Street, right? So I would love to know,
JB:did Kenny and Tracy's romance flourish? Did they eventually get married? Did they open up a school
JB:and studio to inspire young dancers and hip hop artists? That would be awesome. Did Lee go on
JB:to dance for like a Broadway show or something? Did he take his break dancing act on the road?
JB:Chollie you know promoting everybody et cetera. I'd love to see a follow-up on that.
Boogie:Yeah, like did Chollie eventually own the Roxy nightclub?
Boogie:(Laughing)
JB:He had moxie to walk into the Roxy like that
DynoWright:(laughing)
JB:And just kind of lay it down I'm in charge here. He was convincing.
Boogie:Yeah.
DynoWright:The thing i didn't like about the movie aside from the homophobia was there was
DynoWright:some character development that –and i'm not a professional film critic so listeners hit us up–
DynoWright:but we mentioned Spit who was the rival graffiti artist that would deface other people's burners
DynoWright:and murals and those things. He plays a pivotal role in the movie but we don't really know
DynoWright:about him, we don't really find out much about him. Maybe he was just supposed to
DynoWright:be part of the environment that they're supposed to deal with. He's based on a real person if we
DynoWright:go through Style Wars, that documentary about graffiti, you see is based on a character in
DynoWright:that film. But if you haven't watched Style Wars then you wouldn't know this so I felt
DynoWright:like i needed more meaning behind Ramon dying because he was fighting with Spit in the subway.
DynoWright:And for that matter Robert, you know, Tracy's boss - I was confused by the relationship
DynoWright:I think I see them kissing in one scene or she kissed him and it made Kenny jealous, so I felt
DynoWright:like something that it wasn't developed much, the sort of love triangle going on there and so I was
DynoWright:confused by it a little bit. Maybe the listeners, maybe you can explain it to me (laughing).
JB:That's true. Yeah I didn't, I caught that
JB:relationship. I didn't know it was a hug or a kiss but it was something that was kind of like
JB:maybe more accepted back in the day you know with this you know you know 70s for sure and maybe
JB:early 80s or secretaries yeah I understand that lacked a little bit of storyline for sure, yeah.
DynoWright:Maybe it was cut for time but
DynoWright:those two things I would have liked some more on on those.
Boogie:Yeah yeah I think Ramon he just he dropped a quick hint about Spit. They said he he said
Boogie:something along the lines that he used to create artwork out there and nobody really liked it.
DynoWright:Ah.
Boogie:And so that point, from that point on he'd just go around writing his name on other people
Boogie:stuff but yeah but it didn't, it wasn't much I think it was maybe like a couple of lines and that
Boogie:was it so I do agree that we probably could you know give them a little more character development
Boogie:so we kind of get a little bit more about you know what he was doing but they were definitely, I've
Boogie:definitely seen instances of that happen in my own neighborhood uh with people putting up you know
Boogie:burners and people coming along and just writing their name across it and um yeah (laughing)
DynoWright:(Laughing) It's hard out here in the streets.
JB:Yeah.
JB:(Music)
JB:So guys what do we think the overall rating and I think what we'll do for the ratings for
odcast is we have two choices:bring that funky flick back (bring that funky flick back)
odcast is we have two choices:or leave it in the vault (leave it in the vault) so Boogie what would you say for this one?
Boogie:Ha ha, bring that funky flick back! (Laughing)
JB:DynoWright, whaddaya you got?
DynoWright:Bring it back!
JB:yeah I'm with you, bring that funky flick back, bring that funky flick back!
JB:So yeah we we all like this and we think this as I mentioned in the beginning this should be
JB:required viewing Hip Hop 101 for those that love the genre for those that want to learn about it.
JB:(Theme music)
JB:There you have it.
DynoWright:We did it guys! We did it.
JB:Yep.
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