This week on Clover Club, Erika and her friend Nick explore the intriguing world of UAPs (Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena)—or as most of us like to call them, aliens. With Thanksgiving politics heating up, we decided it was the perfect time to dive into a topic that’s out of this world and offer a little distraction from the holiday chaos.

We’ll break down this month’s congressional hearings on UAPs, share our takes on the mystery, and debate what it all could mean. Whether you’re a skeptic or a believer, this episode is guaranteed to entertain and spark some cosmic curiosity.

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Welcome to Clover Club, a podcast

about curious conversations and stories

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intended to make you laugh and learn.

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I'm your host, Erica.

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And today you're going to laugh

and you're going to learn.

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, this episode is airing Thanksgiving

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And, uh, you know, I was having a chat

with a buddy of mine and, uh, some people.

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Maybe choosing to share a meal

this week with people who disagree

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with them about a lot of things.

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And so, we wanted to offer a subject

matter that can replace all politics.

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When your weird uncle mentions the

election, hit him with one of the

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facts you learn in today's episode.

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, I'm joined by one of my

best buds, Nick Pantano.

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Hello!

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Nick, what's our topic today?

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Our topic today is Unidentified

Anomalous Phenomenon, also known

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as UAPs, also known as UFOs.

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Also known as Aliens Are Real.

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Also known as Aliens Are Real.

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I mean, as we will hash out in

this discussion, that is one of

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several theories behind Who is

inside and operating or behind

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these vehicles one way or another.

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But if we are talking about this subject,

yes, even aliens is on the table.

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Yes.

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,, we want to start this conversation

off by acknowledging that if you've

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pressed play on this episode, likely

there's , a spectrum of different

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interest and prior knowledge.

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And, , you know, just where

you're at with aliens.

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So you even perhaps a belief level,

which is a first quick interjection

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that I'll make is this is no

longer a matter of your belief.

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, as we will get into on some of this,

as far as, you know, yeah, that sounded

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harsh as far as whether, I mean, it's

no, it's, so let's reign that in.

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Let's reign that in.

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We are, but let's, let me reign that in.

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It is no longer about your belief as

far as whether or not there are vehicles

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that are entering our airspace and

our oceans that we are not sure where

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they come from, how they're made, who

is operating them, and how or why they

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can do the maneuvers that they can do.

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All of that.

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Is, I, I, you just looked up the year,

but all of that is several years past the

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point of debate, whether that is factual

or not, based on some things we will get

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more into as we go through the episode.

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Yes.

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So we've chosen this topic

this week for two reasons.

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The first is what I started with was that,

you know, we may be finding ourselves

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in some, um, uh, sketch conversations.

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It's great.

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It's a great way to hone reel in family.

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Uh, dinner conversations on to something

that is not, even as we were just saying

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before we started, that even the members

of this committee that are addressing

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it are from both sides of the aisle.

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It's very bipartisan, bipartisan.

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This is a bipartisan topic.

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And last week, well, now it's

almost two weeks ago, there was

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congressional testimony on the topic.

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So that's what inspired us

to be like, you know what?

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This is literally.

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, we're gonna, give you back info, but

we're also going to catch you up to where

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we're at today, what this looks like

moving forwards and just kind of, uh,

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you know, uh, how to talk about what's

going on and, but like Nick said, it's

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really, it's not, it's no longer up for

debate of if this is happening, it's.

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Why and who and all these

other questions around it.

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And, and let me say, as we talked

about on Thursday, when we conceived

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this episode, I have personally

tried this, uh, I've used this

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topic to rein in family discussions.

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Uh, and, and, and it is effective.

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You'll, you know, you'll, you'll get

some family members that maybe completely

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blow you off and don't want to have

the conversation, but it puts a dead

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stop to any political conversations

spinning out of control and it hones

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everybody in on something that.

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There are a multitude of reasons to

care about this topic or even just

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discuss it just for fun but it's

a great wonderful way to keep your

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family on a topic that Should not

lead to disastrous fights and people

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being banned from christmases Exactly.

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Well, some people got themselves banned

from christmases on uh, november 5th,

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but That's neither here nor there.

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Um, so I want to kick this off by

, Reading something that I got from ChatGPT,

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so , I asked ChatGPT, can you give me

a timeline of government disclosure of

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UAP and extraterrestrial information?

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And immediately ChatGPT

came back with a list.

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So I'm just going to read this to you.

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Just, I want everybody to have

kind of like a broad outline of

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over the last almost hundred years,

kind of like what you've seen.

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This literally goes back that far.

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It also technically goes

back thousands of years.

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So 1947 we have the Roswell incident.

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Everybody knows or has heard of that.

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, and I'm not going to go

into detail on any of these.

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I just want to give you the timeline.

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So 1947.

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You The Roswell incident, 1952,

UFO sightings over Washington

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DC, 1953 CIA's Robertson panel.

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So that was a CIA led panel

recommending debunking of UFO

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sightings only to avoid public

panic and protect national security.

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1950s through 1960s, Project Blue Book.

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Big one.

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, 1980 Rendlesham Forest incident.

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This is a U.

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S.

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Air Force personnel reported unexplained

lights and a craft near a base in England,

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a case widely considered credible.

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1989 through 1991, fall of the Soviet

Union, declassified , Soviet documents

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revealed extensive UFO research,

including sightings by military personnel.

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, 1994 U.

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S.

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Air Force Roswell report, the Air

Force, and again, that's 50 years

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later, the Air Force released a report

confirming the Roswell incident involved

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a classified balloon, not a UFO.

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Uh, wait, is that a lie?

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Yes.

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That's a lie.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Welcome to the first of many that will.

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Okay.

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And how often they use the balloon?

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Excuse.

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Yeah.

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That's insulting.

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, okay.

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Hold on.

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I got a couple more years.

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Nick.

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Nick's just like chomping at the bit here.

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He really is.

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, okay.

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1997 Phoenix lights.

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Thousands of people witnessed large,

silent, V shaped lights over Arizona.

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The events remain unexplained

despite official dismissal as flares.

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Um, 2007 to 2012, Advanced Aerospace

Threat Identification Program.

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This is a pent, uh, the Pentagon secretly

funding this program to study UAPs.

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It's been led by Lou Alisondo, who,

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He's a big one.

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And Lou also mentioned in the UAP

conference, it was also, uh, I think

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a program to, to Specifically put in

place by the White House at the time.

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Okay.

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Um, uh, 2017, Pentagon videos released.

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Three Navy videos showing UAPs were

leaked and later confirmed as authentic.

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The footage showed objects

defying known aerodynamics.

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This is like the TikTok TikTok?

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TikTok off the coast of San

Diego, which you've probably seen.

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This is the footage that, if, if

you're following the topic, uh, that

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you're most likely to have seen and

be familiar with, uh, like, uh, the

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account from Commander David Fravor.

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Yes.

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, 2019 Navy confirms UAP encounters.

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The U.

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S.

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Navy publicly acknowledged UAP

encounters by pilots stating these

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incidents were serious and unexplained.

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2020 Pentagon UAP Task

Force has been established.

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2021 DNI reports on UAPs.

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A declassified report by the

Director of National Intelligence

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examined 144 UAP cases since 2004.

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Most remained unexplained.

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Blamed with 18 exhibiting

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Congressional hearings 2023.

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David Grush, whistleblower testimony.

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Testimony 2024 NASA UAP report.

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And uh, one big thing is people say, you

know, when will UFO disclosure happen?

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And it's important to know it already has

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in 2001, the National Press

Club in Washington, D.

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C., uh, where military, NASA, and

intelligence agency whistleblowers

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testified in their involvement in cover

up and reverse engineering of alien craft.

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Or, unknown and identified.

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Additionally, I think, uh, we're,

uh, and, uh, or let's say first that,

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uh, uh, everything Erica just listed.

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Yeah.

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Is really just a drop in the

bucket of , dozens of other

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credible reports, sightings.

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Um, you know, one of the things that Eric

and I try to focus on when we discuss

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this, that we, uh, align with, , from

the group of people that we find the

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most credible is there is, um, it is,

it is a useful path to follow, stories,

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sources, testimonies from people that

have, Come from the military or have

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been involved with some of the programs

over the years that went and talk to

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these people, because that's part of it.

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Folks is that, , regardless of what

the government says, the government

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has spent a lot of money publicly.

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Like part of the discussion now

is getting into uncovering the

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budgets that have been spent.

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Spent secretively.

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But if you just look at what has been

spent publicly above board for decades,

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the government has spent a lot of money

and put a lot of time into this subject.

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, so along with that, there's the

Betty and Barney Hill incident.

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Uh, that one's pretty far out there.

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They're part of their claim

is it involves abduction.

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, there are the schoolchildren in Africa.

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, there is, I forget the name of

the couple, but there was, uh, the

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beginning of the documentary phenomenon.

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There is, , an incident and report from

a couple that has this photo that comes

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before Photoshop, before all of these,

cause it's, it's like, yeah, they're

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like farmers in the early forties and

that, and that all happens before.

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The Roswell incident.

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And that is also considered to be one of

the more credible stories, uh, by, uh,

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for lack of a better term, UFOlogist.

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I hate the term.

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Uh, it, it, it sounds very made up

cause it is, um, but, but that, uh,

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yeah, there, there are, there, there's.

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And I guess we're going to maybe put

some of this in the podcast description

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is up, but we'll link to some stuff

that this is a deep, deep, deep subject.

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There's even more than we have

time to get to, uh, but we're going

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to try to focus on things that.

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have credibility based on, , the

traditional ways that humans

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would consider word of mouth,

testimonies, , and, , individual

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sightings from people to be credible.

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Meaning that, , if you're looking

for smoking gun, visual evidence,

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A, there is, there are three

videos that have been declassified

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and verified by the government.

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, most famously, Commander David Fravor

and the Tic Tac video that show these

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vehicles from, , what do they call it?

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The FLIR cameras on the front

of these, fighter pilot jets.

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Um, So those already exist.

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, but as the gentleman, uh, from NASA,

uh, or I don't, I don't sure, I'm not

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sure if he worked for NASA, but there

was a scientist on the panel, , who

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even spoke about that, , this month

about like, Hey, yeah, like we have

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those and it's great footage, but those

cameras that it was captured with our

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weapon systems, they're not designed to

collect the kind of data that we need

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to really make progress on this subject.

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But I say all that to say, If you are

looking for more smoking gun visual

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evidence beyond the testimony of these

very credible individuals, it does exist.

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And that's part of why this subject

needs your attention In order to reach

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the point that the government and the

military feel comfortable moving into

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full disclosure on this subject, we all

need to be aware of and sensitive to the

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fact that you're asking the government

and the military to do something that

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is Traditionally risky for them that,

, part of the legitimate reason for

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keeping this secret for, for this many

decades is, is security reasons that

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you don't want to tell the entire world.

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You don't want to tell the world's

armies that like, Hey, we don't

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have control over our airspace.

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And additionally, for regardless of

what reasons that it was initially

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made secretive, , The position

they're in now is having to tell

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the public they've been lying to us.

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So they, that's also not something

they, of course, want to do.

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So we need to be sensitive to the fact

that, like, they're trying to find a way

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to do this that doesn't cause them to

lose face, look bad on the world stage,

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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And the best way to get that there is to

be supportive of it and, and, you know,

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Put some pressure on them whether you're

writing congresspeople or whatever that

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looks like to say, hey, we can handle

this we want to see the information we

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want the the visuals we want the videos

because Credible sources have have

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told us this stuff Absolutely exists.

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So yes to everything nick just said.

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Here's what we know for sure.

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For thousands of years, there have been

reports of unidentified aerial phenomena.

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We know now for sure that these things

exist, that our government and likely

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other governments are in possession

of craft and organic material.

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And, it's no longer a matter

of if this is real or not, it

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is everything Nick just said.

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How do we go about, making that

information digestible for common people?

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Because I think one of the big things

that my mind goes to with disclosure is

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what this means for people with autism.

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Strong religious beliefs, because

this blows up all of that and, , if

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you dismantle people's belief systems

without having something to replace

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that with or support that with, we could

see Really, really crazy side effects.

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And there was that famous, um,

what, when was it actually, hold on.

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Do you remember the, , that radio

broadcasting where they did like the

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fake alien, uh, yes, yeah, or 50s

or the worlds or whatever that was.

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Yeah.

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But people thought it was

real and killed themselves.

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Like multiple people killed themselves.

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And that's part of the history of

even how we've gotten to this point.

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And, and, and let's put a, to, to

play a little bit fair here for,

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for anyone who may, Be religious

and is concerned on that side.

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I think the way that you look at

this is this is a, uh, update or

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expansion on your religious beliefs.

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Just a little software update.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I, you know, I think the only

people who really, uh, we would still

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be in that kind of really troublesome

scenario with, because obviously the

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world has grown a lot, culture has

grown a lot since then, and we wouldn't

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be in that severe of a place, but

for those who are still hanging on

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to religion as, you know, the Bible.

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, or whatever religious text being

a literal word for word truth.

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, this will, this will bump

against that, uh, quite a bit.

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Um, but, but I think the.

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Uh, way to look at this from a

perspective that, , intertwines

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both, I mean, ancient aliens all day.

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Right.

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We're, I'm, I'm dancing around the

topic, but, but meaning that like, , if

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you look on the ancient history side

of it, the, these things have been

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intertwined since the dawn of religion.

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So, so it's not necessarily.

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Here to demolish your religious

beliefs, but this is something that

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right that that if you're religious

Uh, and you're not looking for it to

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totally shatter your belief system.

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It's it's understanding that like no

man I mean this has always been there

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and and interpretation is something

that can be updated and expanded no

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differently than the way the bible

was Interpreted a thousand years ago

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to the way we interpret the bible

now Or any other religious text yeah.

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Let's start at the, let's do this.

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Let's start with last week's

congressional hearings, and then we can

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kind of work our way back from there.

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And, and to put it, uh, I mean, maybe the.

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Final pin in what we're saying is

that again, like we, we, Erica and I

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are pulling from, I mean, we've been

just, you and I have been digging into

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this for, for years, my whole life.

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I've been interested in this, but

I mean, but on this level, right?

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Like, and maybe we could say

that it kind of started with.

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, the point where Tom DeLong from Blink 182,

yes, that Tom DeLong, uh, I'll, I'll maybe

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give a, so Tom DeLong has explained this.

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When you're rich, like Tom DeLong,

you have all the time and the money

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in the world to explore your hobbies.

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And Tom, through his own interest,

yeah, old Tommy, Tom through his

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own interests and his own efforts.

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noticed something that

other people hadn't.

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And that really just simply comes down to

the, the extreme siloing of information

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from one government department to another.

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And Tom, , again, in addition to

being rich and having time, when

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you're famous from a band like

Blink 182, you have access, easier

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access to people than others.

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And Tom was able to reach out to

the right people to, , facilitate

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Conversations and connections to

begin sharing some information between

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military and government departments.

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, and, uh, that era, if you look into this

at all, , is also when his company, , that

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is related to all this to the Stars

Academy of Arts and Sciences got started.

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And that is roughly the period where

Eric and I both started really paying

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attention to this and that we, we

think it, it, well, we don't say we

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think that his company, Tom and the

people, , that Tom gathered, uh,

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Christopher Mellon, Lou Elizondo,

um, what was the, Senator Harry Reid.

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Oh, Harry Reid was big into it.

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Uh, Marco Rubio, um, uh, yeah, and, and

to our, our subject of Thanksgiving,

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this involves politicians from, from

either side of the aisle, this is a

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bipartisan effort, uh, there may be

politicians that you, uh, we, we talk

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about today that are politicians you

don't like for, for other reasons.

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We, you know, just as we're talking about

with Thanksgiving, we're gonna put some

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stuff aside to focus on the good that's

being done in this, this topic, uh,

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specifically, even like, uh, again, I

can't remember her name from where we said

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it a minute ago, but if you pull up the

congressional hearings from this month,

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, the, the, the female congresswoman

at, , who's kind of leading the meeting

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is also the shithead who is putting

the biological sign above the women's

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sign, uh, in the restroom in Congress.

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So yes, uh, and the other one that's

an obvious mention we don't need

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to go into detail of is Lauren

Brobert is also on this committee.

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So yes, some of these people

on the committee, uh, suck.

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Um, but what's important here is, , that,

, from where are Eric and Nick getting all

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this info from a multitude of sources,

mostly starting from roughly the time

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when Tom DeLong, uh, made this connection,

started to the SARS Academy, which

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brings us to the people on this panel.

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This is the.

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Second or third, I think, uh, started in

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have been great sources, credible people,

, strong military backgrounds, and these

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are people who have something to lose,

like it's not in their best interest to

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put all of this out there because their

reputation, I mean, these are people

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who've spent decades working in our, uh,

Military branches and it's a big deal for

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them to come forward and to touch on one

that is not the most recent one The one

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where commander Fravor spoke, you know, my

favorite joke is that like, you know after

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commander Fravor was debriefed on his

, interaction where he, he, he chased a UAP

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or for, for every layman's terms, right?

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This guy chased a UFO in an F 18.

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He is one of the, the

top, , Navy pilots in existence.

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And after this guy was debriefed,

he told them about his experience.

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He told them word for word what

he experienced and all that.

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And some of it is in the video.

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If you, you pull it up, they let

him go back to flying the jets.

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So if the guy's crazy, why would you let

him back into the billion dollar jets

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to go fly around on a regular basis?

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We've been letting crazy people

do a lot of things lately.

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Sure, but you know, again, and

that's where it is, like, there

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are, there are totally, you can,

you can, you can conspiracy theory

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anything that we're going to discuss.

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But we're saying to go through

the lens of how we normally define

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whether somebody is credible or not.

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Commander Fravor.

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After debriefed from his interaction,

chasing a UFO, was then allowed

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to continue flying the jets.

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He was not hospitalized.

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He was not hospitalized.

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These are, I forget, they cost,

I think, I don't really know, but

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something like a billion dollars a pop.

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Oh, the planes.

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Yeah, this isn't like letting

them go fly around in a Cessna.

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Like, it's the most advanced

fighter jets that we have.

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And they threw the guy the keys after

this and said, yeah, have at it.

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Um, so . Here we go.

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. So the people on the most recent

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Thank you.

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, and the full, , hearing is available

on YouTube from multiple sources,

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as well as all of the congressional

hearings about this subject.

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You can watch everything that

we're talking about for yourself.

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Yeah, and everything we discuss

I will link in the show notes.

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, we're going to reference several

documentaries, like Nick's

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already referenced Phenomenon,

which That's a great one.

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So as we reference things, just know

you can go to the show notes and I

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will link all of that for you if you

would like to continue doing your

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own research and get a little more

depth on what we're talking about.

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All right.

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Nick, who was at the

congressional hearing?

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All right.

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The four gentlemen on this

congressional hearing are Dr.

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Tim Galduet.

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Let me see.

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Yeah.

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I'm Erica.

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Might be better with names.

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Wasn't that bad.

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That was a decent pronunciation, right?

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It's French, maybe?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Gallaudet?

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Gallaudet?

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Gallaudet?

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Gallaudet?

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Uh Je ne sais pas.

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Dr.

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G!

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Yeah!

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Uh, he is a retired Rear Admiral in the U.

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S.

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Navy and former Acting Administrator

of the National Oceanic and

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Atmospheric Administration, NOAA.

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Next up, we have Luis Elizondo.

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He's the former Director of the

Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification

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Program, commonly known as AATIP,

at the Department of Defense.

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There was also Michael Gold.

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He's a former NASA Associate Administrator

for Space Policy and Partnerships.

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He's a member of NASA's UAP Independent

Study Team, recently formed.

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And lastly, we had Michael Schellenberger,

, who's an investigative journalist and

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founder of the News Service Public,

, which also is maybe a, a, a part of my

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continued, , interest in this is right

around the time where I think I was

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I was teetering on whether or not I

was still interested in this subject.

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The three videos that the New York

Times released, that included Commander

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Fravor's footage, was released,

and at that time, I met a person

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in my life who I cannot forget.

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, mentioned by name on this podcast,

but is a very significant part

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of my life and is a journalist.

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And as I, , dug deeper on this

topic and discuss this topic with

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this journalist that is in my life.

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I feel like everybody's

going to know here.

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They can, but I just can't say the name,

that this journalist, , Also, , felt the

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same that all of the things that we're

discussing today are credible enough,

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, that they, , would, would be reported

on, have been reported on, and in general

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would be considered credible sources.

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So they were asked during this hearing,

are you in possession of these crafts?

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Amongst many other things, but yeah, yeah.

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Let's dive right into it.

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Yes.

437

Uh, Lou Elizondo in particular being

a person who was part of a whose

438

mission was to, , reverse engineer.

439

Well, yeah.

440

And, and, and just look into this.

441

I mean, as it said, , he's kind of

part of the, the national security

442

standpoint of it, which is more to

talk about, I'll circle back to that.

443

. So Lou Elizondo was asked directly.

444

, , he said that he can't give

details on it because he signed

445

documentation, uh, on it.

446

Uh, prohibiting him from going into

detail, but he is allowed to admit that

447

he was part of a program that , its

main mission was about recovering

448

downed craft, reverse engineering

them, and Lou and other credible people

449

on the panel admitted, we have craft

and we have quote unquote, biologics.

450

And while we're mentioning that, one

of the other interesting things on

451

this is that he also did mention.

452

The absolute possibility that,

yes, some of the vehicles at

453

this point in particular, , could

be, , government made now.

454

That we, we've been working on

this secretively long enough

455

where some of this may be, , U.

456

S.

457

government vehicles.

458

That some of the reports

Or other governments.

459

Or other governments.

460

I mean, we'll talk about why

that's less likely in a second.

461

But like, some of these reports,

, from eyewitness testimony.

462

People do report seeing like rivets

on the outside of these vehicles where

463

the ones that I think most of us would

consider maybe more credible or like

464

things where you don't see any normal

signs of of how we would You know,

465

assemble a vehicle that, you know, if

you look at a plane, the outside of a

466

plane, you're going to see the rivets,

you're going to see where wings were

467

attached to the body and stuff like that.

468

And most of these vehicles in

eyewitness testimonies, people

469

don't see those kinds of things.

470

So the fact that there are some

testimonies where the people have said

471

like, yeah, I saw like panels and rivets

and stuff like that suggests, okay, maybe

472

some of it is, is made by the government

and, and to be completely thorough and

473

being open minded here, We talked about

this Thursday, that it's like, some of

474

these stories, testimonies, accounts,

all of this are going to be balloons,

475

natural phenomenon, drones, flares, but

we've reached this point, , collectively,

476

we meaning all of us, , where there's

too many accounts from too many credible

477

sources, uh, that are from one of the

ways they describe them as trained

478

observers to discount all of them.

479

And when we're talking about some of

the more credible observations from

480

trained observers like Commander

Fravor, , and let's, let's define that.

481

This is a person who is

militarily trained to, Observe

482

and report back what he's viewing.

483

, sometimes these people in combat

scenarios need to explain to someone

484

back on the command ship or the base

or whatever, what they're looking

485

at before they're allowed to fire.

486

So both through the equipment that

he had and his own eyes, this person

487

is trained to Accurately observe

and report things he is witnessing.

488

So when it comes to something like that,

and this person says the vehicle that he

489

chased was making maneuvers that would

liquefy a human being, if they were

490

inside of it, that's pretty credible.

491

I'm ready for that ride, man.

492

Um, and so I mentioned the, uh, you know,

why we, you know, other countries thing is

493

that like, my favorite example of this is

just like, Okay, well the other countries,

494

let's, let's run down that quick list.

495

Alright, who could possibly

be capable of this?

496

Well, Russia and China.

497

Honestly, let's take China off the table.

498

There's, there's still some diplomatic

reasons for us to get along with China

499

and stuff, but let's say Putin had

something that could do what these

500

vehicles could do, even if it wasn't

my favorite joke that he would just

501

park it on the front lawn on the white

house and be like, Hey, we need to talk.

502

Um, I'm pretty sure at this point

he would have used these vehicles

503

all over Ukraine right now.

504

If he was using them in Ukraine, the

war wouldn't still be going on anymore.

505

Because these vehicles are capable of

things that no one can keep up with.

506

Yeah.

507

So if he, if he had them

508

That would be an aggressively

disproportionate use of weaponry.

509

Well, and as is a part of the reason

you'll, uh, hear in the conference

510

as to why we should push further

and ask for more information on this

511

is one of the credible theories is

that this is a arms race between us.

512

There's nothing to support the fact

or the idea that other countries have

513

these, , in the sense that they've

made them or have successfully reverse

514

engineered them to the point where

they can fly them and use them.

515

, or maybe they could fly them, but

not use them as a weapon, but that

516

there is a multi country arms race

going on right now to reverse this

517

reverse engineer this technology and

to weaponize it very similar to another

518

point in history where that happened.

519

So, meaning.

520

What did we do?

521

I mean, I don't remember exactly from

Oppenheimer, but like, I'm pretty

522

sure, , the sense of urgency was

pretty clear in that film that the

523

moment they had a successful test,

it was minutes later, they were

524

starting the plan and they already

knew they were, they wanted to drop it.

525

So meeting when a country

successfully, , creates a weapon as

526

powerful as these things could be.

527

They don't tend to hesitate using them

when they have a reason to use them.

528

So in the frame up, like we're saying,

of Russia, if Russia had this technology,

529

, whether it was reverse engineered

from, non human craft, or they had made

530

something that could do all of these

maneuvers, they're actively in a war.

531

They'd be using it.

532

There's no NATO document stopping

them from using UAPs, right?

533

There's no law that would stop

them from using it right now.

534

They'd have free reign to just go for it.

535

If they had something, whether it's

something that's like a, a weapon,

536

like, the hydrogen bomb, or even if

we only said a vehicle, because these

537

vehicles are so fast, can do maneuvers

that it's like, even if you loaded them

538

with traditional weaponry, it's just

saying you wouldn't stand a chance of

539

stopping that vehicle from reaching

its target because it would be in and

540

out and would have dropped the bombs or

whatever weapons before you would really

541

even know it had entered your airspace.

542

Mm hmm.

543

Pretty cool.

544

Crazy, crazy.

545

, okay.

546

Another thing that came out at this

testimony is that these UAPs are

547

believed to be coming from underwater.

548

Here we go.

549

So that blew up on tick tock of like, I,

Watching the world just crumble, , through

550

the lens of TikTok is so satisfying.

551

But the thousands of posts about, , the

aliens coming from underwater, but

552

like, do I still have to pay taxes?

553

And I think we agree with

that sentiment for sure.

554

Yeah.

555

Yeah.

556

People are just like, okay, cool.

557

It's real.

558

But like, do I go to work tomorrow?

559

Like how big of a deal

is this going to be?

560

And I feel like it's, You know, society

must continue, especially in the U.

561

S., we're a capitalist nation,

like, people must still go to

562

work and create and, uh, you

know, make money for shareholders.

563

, so, this type of destabilizing will,

uh, have a ripple effect that there are

564

a lot of people, it is in their best

interest that it doesn't happen, right?

565

Yeah.

566

, but, back to the water thing.

567

Yeah.

568

Um, I feel like that's obvious.

569

Yes.

570

I feel like, of course,

like the earth is 75% water.

571

Yeah.

572

And, and, and what's the,

the famous saying about it?

573

Like, we have, , explored our immediate

outer space more thoroughly than we have

574

our oceans, the depths of the oceans.

575

Yeah.

576

So, , as Eric is getting to one of

the, , big realizations, one of the

577

big points they get to in, in the

conference, , this month was that.

578

These vehicles, , it's, or let's say

this way, it's part of the reason they

579

have officially adjusted the terminology

to Unidentified anomalous phenomenon,

580

which was previously unidentified aerial

phenomenon on phenomenon because, , a

581

lot of these vehicles or some of them,

let's not be, I don't know how many,

582

but some of them are transmedium.

583

They can go from, I mean, even

theoretically here, upper atmosphere,

584

To atmosphere, to water, , even as

has been observed in naval videos,

585

even without actually making a

splash into the water, uh, that these

586

vehicles can have been, , tracked and

filmed cruising above the water, then

587

dipping into the water and coming out.

588

, and so, yeah, there's, there's a,

there's a simple logic there, right?

589

I mean, this is all, is

there a simple logic?

590

I mean, if you, if you, if you really

factor in what we're saying, that like

591

there is, if you, if you want to say.

592

That whoever is behind these vehicles,

whether you want to say they are,

593

are, uh, originating domestically or

that they come from elsewhere, but.

594

Have a presence here or have,

have some sort of, , permanent

595

or longstanding presence here.

596

, you know, in addition to, cause we're

talking crazy stuff here, right?

597

So of course, in addition to

the idea that like they could

598

cloak themselves visually, right?

599

Like they could be flying right above

you and these vehicles have make no

600

noise and have a way to be invisible.

601

Right.

602

And, and, and let's quantify

that too, that like.

603

You can go on YouTube right now and

find invisibility cloaks and stuff from

604

people who are kind of almost there

on, on normal everyday human progress.

605

So if these, , vehicles are as advanced

as they seem to be, it's not that far

606

fetched to say they'd have a way to hide

themselves from us seeing them visually,

607

but also Well, yeah, if they have the

ability to move between mediums as easily

608

as they do, and you were looking to hide

something from us, , without having to

609

take advantage of some tech that makes

it so you can't see it, like, well,

610

yeah, just go deep enough in the ocean

and the humans just can't get there.

611

I mean, there's literally miles

and miles, I mean, vast, huge

612

spaces at the bottom of the ocean.

613

I mean, hello, Ocean Gate, right?

614

I mean, right, right there.

615

Like, they didn't even get all the way

down to the furthest depths of the ocean.

616

And, and, we, that, part of that

whole thing was about getting

617

to parts of the ocean humans

have trouble getting to, right?

618

And the ocean goes even deeper

than that submarine was going.

619

Do you think that the aliens

also use PlayStation controllers?

620

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

621

I, uh, I hope so.

622

That would be amazing.

623

That would be wild.

624

Actually, this is great.

625

The current, the current theory is

that they, you know, it's like, , all

626

through mind, they control their

vehicles through, through mind control.

627

But yeah, I'd love to see them.

628

And they communicate through, , Like

they don't use words words, which don't

629

have vocal cords allegedly So that brings

me to my favorite personal theory that

630

I shared with you this week that like

if you watch the movie the abyss There

631

is a scene where and so in the movie

the abyss That's one of the theories is

632

that there are these, these beings call

them aliens, call them whatever, like

633

we were saying, like you can go into

the whole, um, ancient civilizations

634

side of this and maybe it's homegrown.

635

You know, I mean, this is going to sound

far out, but we're talking about far

636

out things, but think Atlantis, right?

637

Think a civilization that, , has

existed, but kind of bowed out from

638

participating with the rest of us.

639

Well, there's a lot of actual evidence

that multiple civilizations have risen

640

and fallen on the same planet as us.

641

The lions, the Egyptians,

Atlantis is just right there.

642

So following that, that's, that's

maybe one of the theories behind

643

this, this scene in the abyss, and

yes, I'm talking about a movie,

644

but just saying like, , sometimes

science fiction kind of accidentally

645

roughly gets a half baked idea, right?

646

And so in this scene.

647

, the character is brought into the home

of these beings at the bottom of the

648

ocean and when he's kind of asking

them Like, well, what's the point?

649

What do you want from us?

650

What's the big deal here in the movie?

651

They show it on like a screen because

it's a movie and you have to show the

652

audience, but, , what, one of the things

Eric is getting at is like, uh, in the,

653

uh, the credible accounts that this

is like the beings would communicate

654

with us through images in your mind.

655

And that when the character

asks these beings, what.

656

you know, what the big deal is, why

are they even bothering to try and

657

communicate with him or them right now?

658

They flash to a bunch of shots of nuclear

explosions going off in the ocean.

659

So if you, , have always followed this

topic or you're just getting into it,

660

one of the things you will find that's,

that's pretty consistent and there's a

661

lot of accounts of are, uh, these vehicles

showing interest in, and sometimes

662

manipulating, uh, Nuclear facilities,

both here and in other countries.

663

Some of the more significant

stories involve them, , turning

664

off and on nuclear silos.

665

I believe one of the stories

in Russia, they even like.

666

It got to the final stages of launch.

667

Like the Russians were really

concerned that it was going

668

to actually launch a missile.

669

And so this gets into the whole thing

of like, well, do they care about us?

670

There are people like Dr.

671

Steven Greer, we might talk a

little bit more about who believes

672

that they are here to help.

673

I don't really see that.

674

, they, if they were here to help, it's

like, what are you waiting for, man?

675

We need a lot of help now's the time,

but that they do seem to clearly have

676

an interest in our nuclear weaponry.

677

, one of the theories behind this before

I say mine is that like, , if they are

678

interdimensional beings, there is the

potential that the EMP pulse that goes

679

off when you fire , a nuclear missile,

perhaps can affect upper dimensions.

680

And so when you fire off one of those,

the EMP pulse affects things going on

681

in their dimension and they're like,

hey, hey, we don't want that going on.

682

The other one, my theory about the

ocean is there is a period where we

683

got heavily into testing nukes in the

ocean and not just on land anymore.

684

And so what if it's, it has something

to do with like, Hey man, you're, you're

685

dropping nukes in my front yard and that

maybe is their interest in us in nuclear

686

weaponry because, , the, the arcing point

of the nuclear thing is that, , as you

687

get into the documentaries that connect.

688

Some of the points here and get in

the big picture, there is data that

689

shows you there is a definite increase

in reports in sightings and activity,

690

both from civilians to credible sources

like we've been talking about from

691

the military and government bodies.

692

, that is noticeably significant

from when we dropped the first

693

couple nukes, , in Japan.

694

The hydrogen bombs that, the,

the interest goes back decades.

695

The sightings go up.

696

They are clearly interested.

697

And when you marry that with, yeah,

but they're not that interested

698

in us or helping us because

what are you waiting on, man?

699

Uh, then it kind of makes this, okay,

well, if they're at the bottom of

700

the ocean and we've been lighting off

nukes in the ocean, like maybe that's.

701

Maybe that's something they would

have a reason to care about.

702

Maybe that's why they

care about our nukes.

703

, and in general, I don't know, I guess

it's like saying it, it's a pretty neat

704

and tidy theory of all the theories out

there that like, well, if they're here,

705

where could they be pretty easily at

the bottom of the ocean, if the vehicles

706

can do all the things we've seen them

do in our airspace, if they can also

707

do those maneuvers in, in, in water.

708

It's a pretty simple.

709

Or not simple, right?

710

It's a, it's a, it's a

easy thing to get to that.

711

Like, yeah, man.

712

I mean, if they can make vehicles

do that, they could probably create

713

an underwater base or whatever

you want to call it fairly easily.

714

I don't know.

715

So this leads us to if they are

living underwater, then they're

716

not aliens because they're not.

717

From elsewhere.

718

So do you believe that the biologics and

these vehicles are, so there's lots of

719

theories, there's theories that there's

aliens from other galaxies, dimensions,

720

planets, and that there's different types.

721

And there's also theories that it's

like us from different timelines.

722

, what do you think, Nick?

723

I mean, I think we're talking

about aliens, so everything's

724

on the table, but like, I, I,

I think everything is possible.

725

I think there's the possibility of

ancient civilizations that have somehow

726

survived through the years when others

didn't or were conquered or whatever.

727

I think there's possibilities

of, , beings from elsewhere in our

728

galaxy or universe coming here.

729

, and I think, I think, and that includes.

730

They could have come here

a long time ago and stayed.

731

, they could be coming and

going as they please.

732

And I also think the possibility of,

of interdimensional beings is here.

733

I mean, there's, there's, A handful of,

of people that we generally consider

734

credible, , like Chris Mellon and Tom

DeLong, , and even Lou Elizondo that have

735

discussed that being, , on the table.

736

And, and I think the reason you're

not hearing as much about, , The

737

interdimensional, , theory right now is

that is less tangible for the military.

738

The most progress we have made has

been since looking at this with

739

consideration of the national security.

740

And we don't really have a way to point

a missile at an interdimensional being

741

if we needed to point a missile at one.

742

So I don't think you're going to

get as much public support behind

743

the interdimensional being theory,

at least Immediately up front.

744

So where I think that that's just as

possible as anything else, I think the

745

reason why that's not being as heavily

focused on right now is because it's

746

just not as helpful in making progress

of getting more disclosure to happen.

747

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Mhm.

757

We've used the word interdimensional

a lot during this conversation.

758

So let's quickly go into

what that actually means.

759

, so I'm going to start by, , I just

asked Chachi PT, but then I also

760

have like a, a way that I like to

describe it that I think is easy.

761

, but I'm curious what Chachi PT has to say.

762

So I just said, what does

interdimensional mean?

763

And it says the term interdimensional

refers to something that exists or

764

operates between different dimensions.

765

Obviously in various contexts, it has a

distinct meanings, scientific conduct.

766

Scientific context.

767

In theoretical physics and

mathematics, dimensions refer to

768

measurable aspects of space and time.

769

Three dimensions include height,

width, and depth, spatial dimensions.

770

The fourth dimension is often considered

time in Einstein's relativity.

771

The term interdimensional might

relate to extra dimensions

772

hypothesized in theories like string

theory, which posits additional

773

dimensions beyond the familiar four.

774

Let's see.

775

And so now it goes into, , paranormal

and science sci fi contexts.

776

And it says parallel universes or

alternative timelines and non human

777

intelligence theorized to exist

in realms beyond our perception,

778

interacting with our dimension.

779

For example, in UAP discussions,

some theorize that UAPs might not be

780

extraterrestrial, but interdimensional,

meaning they come from a different

781

dimension rather than another planet.

782

Planet.

783

So if you've seen, , Interstellar,

which is one of my all

784

time favorite movies ever.

785

I think they did such a good job of

visually showing what that looks like.

786

And it's like the scene at the end where

he's in the bookcase trying to talk

787

to his daughter and then it zooms out

and you just see all of these, cause

788

there's theories that like all of these

different timelines are coexisting.

789

Like time is not linear.

790

, and Matthew McConaughey's character

even mentions it that, , he,

791

he says they, they built.

792

A three dimensional structure that allows

him the ability to perceive their exit

793

or that, that, that structure, even

though they are upper dimensional beings,

794

I don't know if he's, I'm hesitating

because I don't know if he's specifically

795

says fifth dimension in the movie or

not, but that it's also a great way

796

of showing that in the movie that it's

like, , you, we wouldn't be able, it's

797

not like we could just pop into the fifth

dimension or, you know, Any of the upper

798

dimensions me like, Hey guys, that like

we are not capable of perceiving it.

799

So what you see in that movie is, is, I

think it's why people consider it like

800

well done is it's like if you, it's a

great way of way of representing how

801

that would actually work and how we

would perceive it if we were in that.

802

Yes, I agree with that and I, but

I also think that we can perceive

803

higher dimensions through meditation.

804

Um, and so there's more and more

research coming out on that.

805

And also if you're somebody who has

explored psychedelics, , I talk about

806

this in my ayahuasca episode of until

you've done something like that, your

807

brain can't really, um, Um, I don't

know if you guys like, understand like

808

how it could be possible to like, see

colors you've never heard of or smell

809

smells you've never heard of, but once

you alter and access these different

810

neural pathways in your brain, there's

so much more that's accessible to us,

811

and a simple visual that I really like

is if you think of a, um, Dot, just like

812

a flat piece of paper and you're like,

have a pencil and you put a dot on it.

813

Like that is one dimension.

814

Then you draw a line.

815

That's two dimensions, three dimensions.

816

It goes up to a cube.

817

So if you think of a Rubik's cube,

if you're looking at it flat on, you

818

wouldn't know a, that there's depth to it.

819

B, you wouldn't know that there's, there's

all of these different cubes in there, but

820

it's like, you can't access and see those

even as you're playing the Rubik's cube.

821

It's like, you only see what's facing

you and you just have to, uh, allow

822

yourself to suspend the framework

that we all live in and our waking

823

conscious states and know that there's

so much more out there that we just

824

don't have the ability to perceive.

825

I've heard, , or, , Listen to explanations

where people say, like, it's the easiest

826

way for us humans operating in the third

and fourth dimension to perceive this

827

and understand this is go down, not up.

828

So if, if you were a two dimensional

being, so imagine a stick figure drawn

829

on a piece of paper and we turned

you into a two dimensional being.

830

You would then be that stick

figure to that sick figure.

831

That's that two dimensional being

would only be capable of perceiving

832

you as a two dimensional being.

833

Even though you are a three dimensional

being operating down into their

834

second dimension there, they would

see you also as a stick figure.

835

You wouldn't be.

836

And I think that touches on like some

of this stuff where Both the fact that

837

there's kind of footage that does this,

like meaning when you see footage in the

838

vehicles sometimes kind of just disappear.

839

Uh, that I've heard Tonda Long touch on

this, Chris Mellon touch on this, , that

840

there is the idea that it's like, I think

I've heard it described as like shadows

841

that, that like when, if they are upper

dimensional beings, That's you would, like

842

you're saying, we can kind of perceive

it and that sometimes there's this kind

843

of bleed through from their dimension

to ours and you'll catch glimpses of the

844

vehicles or the beings and that, you know,

sometimes when they're just disappearing,

845

it may not be the vehicle or the being

going like, and I'm going to disappear

846

now, but that like that moment of bleed

from one dimension to another is over

847

and you can no longer perceive them.

848

Yeah, so it's hard to.

849

Yes.

850

All of the atoms that compose this

object are not available to us.

851

, and the camera equipment picks up

on, or it can only pick up on so much

852

because we're the ones who developed it.

853

, and again, that is only, , on

what is available now, is there.

854

Hardcore smoking gun visual evidence.

855

Yes.

856

And the government has it and we need

to continue demand that they release it.

857

And that is that yes,

is not coming from us.

858

That is coming from people who ran

the programs, weren't involved with

859

the programs and people who have

seen the footage, like have seen

860

the videos and seen the photos and

said like, Oh yeah, I've seen it.

861

And whenever this does come

out, it's undeniably believable.

862

So to, to what Eric is saying, it's

not just that we're saying like,

863

These ghostly things or these, these

fuzzy images are all that's out there.

864

Um, some of that is ghostly or fuzzy

because of what Eric is saying.

865

And some of it is because these things

are fast and hard to capture and far away.

866

And some of it is because of

who knows what, but is there

867

clear footage and evidence?

868

Yes.

869

, and I think too, the clearest

footage and evidence we have would

870

be, , pictures of the obtained craft

that Well, I, that's in our dimension.

871

Yeah.

872

Yeah.

873

But it's not, I'm not actively coming

in and out, you know what I mean?

874

Yes.

875

Right.

876

Which I think also is, is then the,

the fact that we're saying it's

877

there may be interdimensional beings

and there may be other things here,

878

because again, I think one of the most

important things Eric and I are trying

879

to make sure we're clear about is like.

880

Beyond, the only thing that is

absolute fact is that there are

881

vehicles, they are flying in our

airspace, they are going in our ocean.

882

, beyond that, folks,

everything's on the table.

883

Everything's on the table, which is fun.

884

, but I think too, and I know especially

after the last, A couple months.

885

There's a lot of reasons to write

your senators and your Congress

886

people that feel fruitless.

887

, I think more importantly, like

just paying attention to this and

888

talking about it in your circles.

889

And, uh, a, it's fun to,

to hypothesize about.

890

, but B just kind of normalizing, having

conversations about this and kind of

891

like, Taking it out of the shadows, not

just like some weird conspiracy stuff.

892

, that is what's standing

in between disclosure.

893

Because they know they can't have us

losing our fucking minds if they're just

894

like, Oh yeah, aliens are completely real,

here's a video of us talking to them.

895

And so let's talk about the timing on

that so that, One of the, the pieces

896

of momentum behind the congressional

hearings happening right now is

897

there was, , a group, a congressional

group assembled to look into this.

898

All of those credible sources

were interviewed by a new

899

group called Arrow, who?

900

You told these people, Hey, we're,

we're coming to buy to, to interview

901

you and get your testimony.

902

And these people gave testimony and

handed over evidence in good faith

903

that it was for their testimony

and evidence to come out as they

904

spoke it and as they presented it.

905

And then Arrow turned around

and redacted everything.

906

Everything that was important, everything

that was valuable, they hid evidence.

907

They did basically the thing that

they've been doing to us for decades.

908

, some of this is, , highlighted.

909

I can't remember the name of it,

but, , George Knapp, , which is

910

a name worth mentioning here.

911

George Knapp and, , Jeremy Corbell are two

of the leading journalists on the topic.

912

George Knapp has been,

been into this for decades.

913

He's, he's long been a

leader in, in the topic.

914

And he's got a new, uh, docu series

on Netflix right now as well.

915

And in that docu series towards the

end of it, uh, so if you're familiar

916

with the topic, the beginning will

be a lot of stuff you already know.

917

The later episodes, he gets into

some of this where, you know,

918

they're, they're running into.

919

Yeah.

920

roadblocks once again, where everything

looks, , good and there are aspects

921

of the government taking it more

seriously than they ever have.

922

And then they go talk to some of

these, , members of our military,

923

, from different departments who

gave their testimony to Aero.

924

, only for them to say on camera, you

will hear it in the doc that like, no,

925

that's not what I said, or they left out

some things that I said, or they didn't

926

show the evidence that I, I gave them.

927

And so part of this is according

to, , these people that have been

928

operating in the private sector on

this, like Jeremy Corbell and George

929

Knapp, , that we're, we're, we're

not only at a tipping point, but.

930

Somewhere in the coming months, there

is more evidence that is going to

931

drop that is going to be significant

and grabbing public attention.

932

And we'll share it with you.

933

Absolutely.

934

Yeah.

935

We'll do a followup episode.

936

And that additionally, this is.

937

Way further out there.

938

But again, we're talking

about far out stuff here.

939

So just buckle up.

940

Uh, that in, I believe the

prediction is, is, , somewhere

941

between now and 2027, something

significant will happen in this area.

942

, and.

943

that part of the reason that we're finally

seeing a little bit more incremental

944

progress to prepare us is to prepare

us for whatever is going to happen.

945

Meaning that whatever's going to

happen is outside of the control of the

946

people who are trying to control it.

947

Yes.

948

Uh, and that those people who are

trying to control it to be clear.

949

Some of them may be officially

part of the government.

950

Some of them may not.

951

Some of them might be trying to hide

the information for nefarious reasons.

952

Some of them might be trying to hide the

information because they genuinely believe

953

that the public is not ready for this.

954

, people like Robert Bigelow, , of

Bigelow Aerospace, , were were

955

previously contracted privately

to research this stuff to keep the

956

information out of public hands because

private entities are not subject

957

to the Freedom of Information Act.

958

So even someone like Robert Bigelow.

959

Aside from, I don't know what kind of

NDAs and things he signed, but he could

960

have said more about the research they've

done and the things that they've found.

961

I want more deathbed confessions too.

962

It may be coming, but these

people may have nothing but

963

good intentions in their heart.

964

, but I've heard Tom DeLonge mention

it, that, , Tom being one of the

965

few people alive that really has

kind of heard the whole enchilada.

966

And I forget, , what

interviews, I'm sorry, I can't.

967

Reference it for anyone who's listening,

but, and if you dig, there is an interview

968

where Tom says Steve O's podcast.

969

I don't know if it was Steve O's

or not, but I'm just saying he

970

does spill some tea on that one.

971

He does.

972

And, but in one of many interviews

that he does and this subject

973

comes up at one point he did say,

yeah, like, I know everything now.

974

Like, they've, they've, they've

informed me on everything.

975

Like, Tom knows everything

the government knows.

976

He's that far along in the process.

977

And Tom is now of the opinion of like,

I forget how he said it, but he was

978

like, I know everything they know.

979

I know why they haven't told you.

980

And I get it.

981

I can't remember if he really

said he agreed with it or not,

982

but like he understands why they

haven't told everybody everything.

983

And I think multiple people

who are, who are credible have

984

said things along those lines.

985

But what's important right now is that

the, in the most recent congressional

986

hearing and the people who are very much

on the front lines of this, like Lou

987

Elizondo and the other people on the, on

the hearing all now feel like It's time,

988

whether it's because whatever's coming

is coming and there's no stopping it

989

or just because they're like, whatever,

it's, it's just time and people can

990

handle this, that it is, it is time to,

to, to get more information out there.

991

Yeah.

992

, and in addition to you, all of the,

uh, Mounting credible resources.

993

There's also a lot of really

fascinating not credible resources.

994

And when I say not credible I just mean

like not a former military, you know,

995

yeah so one thing that I find interesting

is when you look at personal accounts of

996

Sightings and experiences and interactions

and stuff like that and some of them

997

fairly credible like the phoenix lights.

998

Go ahead Yeah, uh, but

there's these common common.

999

Um There's commonalities between these

reports where you can't help but be like,

00:53:30,135 --> 00:53:34,115

Well, I mean, that guy in the 40s didn't

know that guy in the 60s, or da da da da.

00:53:34,145 --> 00:53:37,125

, and the documentary we referenced

earlier, Phenomenon, I think does

00:53:37,125 --> 00:53:42,465

such a great job of compiling

some of the more, , interesting,

00:53:42,895 --> 00:53:44,865

Situations, including the school.

00:53:44,865 --> 00:53:46,055

Is it in Zimbabwe?

00:53:46,575 --> 00:53:48,385

Uh, I know it's in Africa.

00:53:48,415 --> 00:53:49,545

I want to say Zimbabwe.

00:53:49,545 --> 00:53:50,875

That sounds right to me.

00:53:50,875 --> 00:53:51,615

Yeah, right.

00:53:51,615 --> 00:53:52,425

No, that's a, that's good.

00:53:52,425 --> 00:53:52,675

Worth it.

00:53:53,235 --> 00:53:58,465

And while Eric is looking, I'll, I'll,

so yeah, my part of my take on work

00:53:58,465 --> 00:54:00,345

you're saying is like, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

00:54:00,345 --> 00:54:06,830

the, The best way to think about all

of the accounts from private citizens

00:54:06,850 --> 00:54:11,310

who we have no reason to believe

more so than your crazy ass neighbor,

00:54:11,590 --> 00:54:15,510

um, is when we find consistencies in

some of their accounts and stories.

00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:20,330

I think the frame up by the official

people like Lou Elizondo is where,

00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:25,190

is the lens to look through of things

like, Um, you know, if the vehicle, if

00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:29,320

you see a vehicle and it's not making

any sound, if it's moving in ways that

00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,940

our vehicles don't move, if it doesn't

have any identifying lights, , there's

00:54:33,940 --> 00:54:36,490

a few other parameters that when you

look at the accounts from private

00:54:36,490 --> 00:54:41,725

citizens, if it, if it falls into those

categories or lines by those, Those

00:54:41,725 --> 00:54:43,865

guidelines, then it's somewhat credible.

00:54:43,885 --> 00:54:46,105

In fact, those are the

guy types of guidelines.

00:54:46,125 --> 00:54:50,255

There's, I think, five in total that,

uh, Lou Elizondo and his team at a tip

00:54:50,285 --> 00:54:55,055

used to determine whether a private

citizen or a military person's account

00:54:55,065 --> 00:54:56,905

was, was worth looking, , into.

00:54:56,905 --> 00:54:59,805

I think he called them

the five observables.

00:55:00,045 --> 00:55:01,705

So yeah, there's.

00:55:01,975 --> 00:55:05,085

You know, and let's, to be fair, for every

one account from a private citizen that's

00:55:05,085 --> 00:55:08,085

credible, there's another one that's

just some crazy person trying to get

00:55:08,155 --> 00:55:09,935

internet famous or attention or whatever.

00:55:09,935 --> 00:55:11,425

So that's totally a thing.

00:55:11,425 --> 00:55:12,235

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:12,715 --> 00:55:15,505

But it's very interesting

to look at some of those.

00:55:15,715 --> 00:55:18,825

And we're not saying you should, you

should put, make those immediately

00:55:18,825 --> 00:55:23,315

as credible as accounts from our,

uh, military men and women, but the

00:55:23,315 --> 00:55:25,395

private citizen stuff is pretty wild.

00:55:27,135 --> 00:55:29,045

So the school, it is in Zimbabwe.

00:55:29,045 --> 00:55:30,525

00:55:30,535 --> 00:55:35,035

There was, , an incident and what's

fascinating about this one is 60

00:55:35,035 --> 00:55:41,155

something people observed this together

and, uh, adults and children, adults,

00:55:41,155 --> 00:55:43,275

children, they observed a craft.

00:55:43,635 --> 00:55:47,795

They observed beings, three

beings, uh, or three crafts.

00:55:47,945 --> 00:55:48,715

Nick just held up three fingers.

00:55:48,735 --> 00:55:50,275

I think it was three beings, three beings.

00:55:50,305 --> 00:55:50,715

Okay.

00:55:50,855 --> 00:55:52,105

, and they.

00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,340

That referenced what we're talking about,

about the telepathic communication,

00:55:56,580 --> 00:55:59,370

and it was about the environment, , and

saving the environment and being

00:55:59,370 --> 00:56:00,780

environmentally conscientious.

00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,560

And one of the, uh, lines, I think two

of the kids, who are now speaking in the

00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,480

documentary as adults, they might have

said it as kids in the original interview

00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,570

footage, but speaking of consistency

was that it was like, the message was.

00:56:15,065 --> 00:56:19,975

You're not like anti technology,

but saying you're using technology

00:56:19,985 --> 00:56:24,925

wrong and that it needs to be used

in better balance with nature.

00:56:25,125 --> 00:56:25,385

Yeah.

00:56:25,405 --> 00:56:26,105

Take that for what it's worth.

00:56:26,195 --> 00:56:26,635

Yeah.

00:56:26,745 --> 00:56:29,805

, and you know, they've got these

kids who like, they're like,

00:56:29,805 --> 00:56:30,595

can you draw what you saw?

00:56:30,965 --> 00:56:33,535

And they're drawing like

very similar things.

00:56:33,735 --> 00:56:37,665

And then they got them together 40 years

later and the stories haven't changed.

00:56:37,665 --> 00:56:39,995

And like, you watch these

people recall these things.

00:56:40,195 --> 00:56:41,665

And again, like this is.

00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:44,500

I feel this way about the people

who go on Unsolved Mysteries.

00:56:44,530 --> 00:56:47,440

There's not a lot of good reason to lie

about it because you're gonna look insane.

00:56:47,580 --> 00:56:51,090

, and you're putting yourself at

risk by sharing that information.

00:56:51,090 --> 00:56:53,690

So I'm inclined to believe it if

it's made it to the point where,

00:56:54,050 --> 00:56:58,160

you know, a documentary, , filmmaker

has, uh, Deemed it credible.

00:56:58,340 --> 00:57:01,890

, but it's super fascinating to

me to see these instances where

00:57:01,890 --> 00:57:03,880

it's more than one person saw it.

00:57:04,070 --> 00:57:07,240

, and then since we're talking about

crazy stuff, , there was the mall

00:57:07,380 --> 00:57:11,770

incident in Miami last year, where

the story is that there was a fight

00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:14,570

at a mall in Miami, however, , leaked.

00:57:15,090 --> 00:57:17,960

Videos and photos and testimony

from people who were at the mall

00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:21,420

said that these portals opened up

at the mall and these eight, nine

00:57:21,420 --> 00:57:26,520

foot tall beings came through them

and 132 police officers, , not even

00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,540

just police officers, like military,

like people descended on the mall.

00:57:29,540 --> 00:57:33,630

And the dispatched force was

not equal to the report of just

00:57:33,630 --> 00:57:34,710

like, Oh, there was a fight.

00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:35,890

Yeah, there was some kids having a fight.

00:57:35,955 --> 00:57:37,565

So it's just like, what happened there?

00:57:37,595 --> 00:57:40,915

, and people who have taken videos so that

like their phones were, , confiscated

00:57:40,915 --> 00:57:44,075

and that like the videos were scrubbed,

nobody was allowed to leave the mall,

00:57:44,105 --> 00:57:47,045

but a couple of people sent things like

it's, I don't know, stuff like that,

00:57:47,075 --> 00:57:51,085

obviously is speculative, speculatory,

but I'll play, I'll, I'll, I'll be

00:57:51,085 --> 00:57:52,305

devil's advocate voice for that one.

00:57:52,305 --> 00:57:58,440

That like, it's also, you know, uh,

Sometimes the government takes phones

00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:04,370

and footage for reasons not related to

aliens like the fact that at the attempted

00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:08,350

assassination attempt of Donald Trump,

all of a sudden, all the records from

00:58:08,350 --> 00:58:10,470

the secret service were like wiped away.

00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:11,160

I forget which ones.

00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,670

But just meaning that like, there are,

there are multiple explanations for this.

00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:15,670

We are not saying that.

00:58:15,890 --> 00:58:18,485

We wholeheartedly,

immediately believe the.

00:58:18,645 --> 00:58:21,435

Uh, Miami mall story or

the, this, I believe it.

00:58:21,555 --> 00:58:23,085

No, I'm saying like, I believe all of it.

00:58:23,085 --> 00:58:23,635

Let me tell you why.

00:58:23,775 --> 00:58:27,535

If Donald Trump can meet the president two

times, literally anything can be wrong.

00:58:27,545 --> 00:58:29,045

I agree with that sentiment.

00:58:29,045 --> 00:58:31,685

We're just, I want to make sure we

say we're to play devil's advocate

00:58:31,685 --> 00:58:33,545

on those things versus things like.

00:58:34,570 --> 00:58:39,010

You know, military accounts and stuff

that like, yes, of course, there's

00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:44,870

the very high possibility that, you

know, if one person starts running,

00:58:45,090 --> 00:58:48,350

, in a mall and looking like they're

running for the fear for their life,

00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:51,490

unfortunately, we live in a time in

this country where the smart thing to

00:58:51,490 --> 00:58:53,270

do is to also run with them, right?

00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:55,130

Like whether you heard the shots or not.

00:58:55,225 --> 00:58:59,355

If you're in a mall and you see one or two

people sprinting off, looking like there's

00:58:59,355 --> 00:59:01,315

a shooting going on, you start running.

00:59:01,315 --> 00:59:03,235

That's kind of standard

practice right now, right?

00:59:03,235 --> 00:59:04,715

It's like tornado drills these days.

00:59:04,715 --> 00:59:05,915

Like, that's just what you do.

00:59:06,315 --> 00:59:09,485

But yeah, like I think the most

important point you're making is that

00:59:09,485 --> 00:59:15,265

like it brings new light to stories

like that, that say, as Eric was

00:59:15,265 --> 00:59:20,065

joking about, like, Unfortunately, and

maybe that's what we say here, right?

00:59:20,105 --> 00:59:23,535

Is the reason to demand more

information, more disclosure.

00:59:23,575 --> 00:59:27,085

This is what the guy from NASA in the

congressional committee kind of gets

00:59:27,085 --> 00:59:35,160

to is that like, Until we allow this

to be, , talked about, researched, and

00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,570

tackled without any stigma, , with,

with all of the information that the

00:59:39,570 --> 00:59:44,770

government is withholding and has, we're

stuck here, that there will be always be,

00:59:44,830 --> 00:59:47,350

, instances, times, things that happen that.

00:59:47,580 --> 00:59:50,160

All we can do is speculate.

00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:54,690

Mm-Hmm, , , with the, while extending

the grace and understanding that national

00:59:54,690 --> 00:59:57,240

security issues should be taken seriously.

00:59:57,330 --> 01:00:00,220

And we will of course, , allow

and leave some room for

01:00:00,220 --> 01:00:02,170

like, yeah, some, some stuff.

01:00:02,170 --> 01:00:06,010

May you, we may get told, Hey,

that's too much of a risk to national

01:00:06,010 --> 01:00:09,120

security because again, , hopefully

they are working on some stuff that

01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,110

is so far advanced that when we

see it, we'd be like, Holy shit.

01:00:12,110 --> 01:00:13,180

I didn't know that was possible.

01:00:13,180 --> 01:00:13,360

Right.

01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,610

We always want our military, you know,

at the forefront of, of development and

01:00:17,610 --> 01:00:20,130

technology, you know, biggest stick thing.

01:00:20,130 --> 01:00:20,400

Right.

01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,860

And that's, that's the way America's

run our military pretty successfully.

01:00:23,070 --> 01:00:24,130

And so sure.

01:00:24,130 --> 01:00:25,420

We want to leave room for that.

01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:32,510

But that still would not account for the

majority of the, the, the stories and

01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:37,520

accounts from credible sources that, you

know, don't make any sense otherwise.

01:00:37,530 --> 01:00:41,780

So even on these things like the, the,

the mall, that's why we should give

01:00:41,780 --> 01:00:46,090

it some, some space for credibility is

like, well, look, even the thing that

01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:51,280

we're talking about that is absolutely

rooted in fact is so far out there.

01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,160

That it's worth leaving a little space

in your brain open for, yeah, the,

01:00:55,170 --> 01:00:59,890

the, the mall incident, the, uh, the

backyard with the Latin family that.

01:01:00,140 --> 01:01:00,560

Yeah.

01:01:00,570 --> 01:01:01,240

And Las Vegas.

01:01:01,270 --> 01:01:01,900

Yeah.

01:01:01,940 --> 01:01:04,730

I mean, where normally before all

of this, I would have been like,

01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,600

whatever that now I'm like, well.

01:01:08,765 --> 01:01:09,745

I'm also tired.

01:01:09,995 --> 01:01:13,725

Um, I'm ready for a, I'm

ready for a little change up.

01:01:14,005 --> 01:01:16,855

, which as we're talking about

speculation, I feel like we would be

01:01:16,855 --> 01:01:19,275

remiss to not acknowledge Antarctica.

01:01:19,475 --> 01:01:19,865

Yeah.

01:01:19,885 --> 01:01:20,195

I'll go.

01:01:20,195 --> 01:01:20,505

Yeah.

01:01:20,535 --> 01:01:20,665

Yeah.

01:01:20,665 --> 01:01:21,015

Okay.

01:01:21,395 --> 01:01:24,005

So I've never been to Antarctica,

although I am planning a trip.

01:01:24,035 --> 01:01:29,045

Um, As soon as I save 150,

000, uh, before it melts.

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But the fact that Antarctica has

remained uncolonized and all of the

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countries have agreed and maintained

the agreement to not go there is insane.

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We can't all agree about anything.

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And so I just think that there's

something, uh, I think something

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is happening in Antarctica.

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There's all of these stories, um, that

of course are unverifiable, but I just,

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like, I love to speculate about that.

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I think what matters here.

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And so, uh, in case my friend

who's been, uh, listens to this.

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So I have a friend who has,

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shout out Morgan.

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, she's been twice.

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Yes, I'm bragging about

my scientist friend.

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, and so, so yeah, you know, my, I

have a friend who's been there twice

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and, and in the limited, . She's

been for work, not a cruise, which

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I think is an important difference.

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Right, that's what I mean, , that she,

she's been on proper research missions.

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I, I mean, I'll kind of like give a,

Layman's explanation of kind of the way

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she said it to me is like, uh, she went

to Antarctica a couple of times to look

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for, uh, rocks that fell from the, from

space, most likely moon rocks, meteorites,

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little, little pieces, because when you're

looking at a, a sheet of white, a little

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black speck, you know, shows up pretty

easily, and then she would take those

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rocks back to her lab, blow them up with

lasers and analyze their content and work