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10 - Baby Pants Version Hotel
Episode 10 • 14th June 2022 • Parts Department • Justin Brouillette & Jem Freeman
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The guys talk Prusa 3D printer, Text Sniper, progress on Kitta Parts, Nack Wall, and Baby Pants (the PDX CNC Dust Boot).

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  • KittaParts dimensions progress
  • Nack Wall
  • Kits
  • Nack Starter Kit
  • Text Sniper - Snip text from images or basically anything
  • Baby Pants - Closer but works with 10hp HSD
  • Online Configurator Developer - Need a "unit"
  • Making It - Aaron Episode link (Note: Death discussed)

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Jem Freeman

Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia

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Justin Brouillette

Portland, Oregon, USA

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Transcripts

Jem:

Oh,

Jem:

Do you use workspaces effectively.

Justin:

no, never.

Justin:

It's all just in one chaos zone.

Justin:

I'm going to change my keyboards so we don't hear it clicking the whole time.

Jem:

Oh, What did you retire to do retire the

Jem:

gaming

Justin:

one, this fancy looking one

Jem:

one of those,

Justin:

Nuphy.

Jem:

I see ads for things like that,

Justin:

This is exactly how I bought it as the, one of the few things.

Justin:

Whereas like there's an ad for that.

Justin:

And like, I looked at the price and I was like, ah, I don't know.

Justin:

Shouldn't do that.

Justin:

The next day I saw an ad.

Justin:

It's like, Hmm, kind of want that.

Jem:

other than looking nice.

Jem:

Is it a nice cable to use?

Justin:

I like it a lot.

Justin:

It's solid aluminum

Jem:

Oh

Justin:

on the back.

Justin:

You can choose corded or wireless and it just looks good.

Justin:

I like that.

Justin:

It's a little bit clicky

Jem:

Oh,

Justin:

to clicky podcasts.

Jem:

feeling a little bit scattered this morning with my,

Jem:

I remember writing a checklist.

Jem:

Did I put that in title

Justin:

You put a check,

Jem:

we'll have later?

Justin:

you put a list on our Brendan

Jem:

Ah, there it is.

Jem:

Oh, how are you?

Justin:

Good, good, good.

Justin:

I've been, I took a couple of days off.

Justin:

I had some family.

Justin:

As the name implies, Portland is fairly close to the coast and not

Justin:

on the coast though, which is funny.

Justin:

It's about an hour and a half to get there and go pretty frequently.

Justin:

And my wife likes to go.

Justin:

but out there for a couple of days, it's nice.

Justin:

How are you?

Jem:

Oh yeah.

Jem:

Good things as usual, but getting through things.

Justin:

Yeah, I remembered something.

Justin:

We need to do our clap.

Jem:

Good thinking how laggy that is.

Justin:

Yeah, it is.

Justin:

I legitimately think that the lag is the amount of time that the

Justin:

signal takes to get back and forth.

Justin:

I looked it up, it's like 0.1 seconds of fastest speed of internet back and forth.

Justin:

And I think it's that amount of time because when I line them up,

Jem:

Oh,

Jem:

right.

Justin:

0.1.

Justin:

So I think we're dead on it's the internet it's fault.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Speaking of which, did you find some streamlining editing tricks this week?

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

When both of us speak relieve gaps.

Justin:

Sometimes they just see mock written.

Justin:

There's a way into Descript to replace any amount of time gaps.

Justin:

So it could be like replace two seconds, the apps with 0.5 and it just goes

Justin:

through the whole thing and splices them out that I think saves some time.

Justin:

Nice.

Jem:

It's cool.

Jem:

It's pretty fancy.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I've been listening to how the, oh, like I listened to a few chatty podcasts and

Jem:

I've started hearing them differently in terms of conversation style, but

Jem:

also how edited or unedited they are.

Justin:

Yep.

Jem:

It's been interesting to observe, I feel like we're at that stage where

Jem:

we're like feeling a bit, little bit precious and tight, carrying

Jem:

most of the editing load, but then I'm running through it as well.

Jem:

And like getting rid of my Cuffee slips and good phrases.

Jem:

But

Justin:

I think as you get more comfortable with most things,

Justin:

like you remember the first time you run a CNC, you check 50 times

Justin:

and now it's like, go for it.

Justin:

and I think I'm getting to that place with this where it's

Justin:

like, ah, it sounds mostly good.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

So 10 smashed little milestone.

Justin:

Oh yeah.

Justin:

I was going to tell you, so we have 14 subscribers on YouTube

Justin:

watch out, but it's, it's growing exponentially, which is nice.

Justin:

We had two in one day.

Jem:

Awesome.

Jem:

Again, I don't know who has time to watch podcasts on YouTube, so thanks

Jem:

to those people for making the time.

Justin:

Thank you for watching it.

Justin:

Like unsubscribe,

Jem:

What's your YouTube count on PDX.

Justin:

what's the subscribers

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

and it's like 4,700, excuse me, 4,700.

Justin:

I was just over at my friend's shop and we were yelling a lot cause it was so loud.

Justin:

And I was like, that was probably not smart right before this.

Justin:

My voice is a little raw.

Jem:

Warmer.

Jem:

I've just dragged myself in a bed.

Jem:

So I sing.

Jem:

badly in the office before turning the microphone on to

Jem:

just try and wake my voice up.

Justin:

I've heard your pre recordings and they make me laugh every time

Jem:

Oh, you haven't had these pre recordings?

Justin:

you don't

Jem:

I don't, I don't send you these ones.

Justin:

He trims off that part.

Justin:

A is 4,700 some, which is nice.

Justin:

It seems to kind of trickle.

Justin:

I think YouTube is the only account that aware of that, actually the longevity of

Justin:

posts published things actually seems to matter every other account, Instagram,

Justin:

Twitter, Twitter anything else?

Justin:

It just it's like you got a day for maybe a week at your

Justin:

best before it just disappears.

Justin:

And like

Justin:

posts from 2018 that are still doing great.

Jem:

it's interesting.

Jem:

You say that.

Jem:

Cause I've never actively used YouTube as a social outlet for the business,

Jem:

but I have been posting videos there occasionally over the years.

Jem:

And , there are other private training videos that we share internally with a

Jem:

QR or something, or occasionally I'll throw up a video there to share with

Jem:

a client or, I've put bits and bobs up there anyway, maybe like six, six or

Jem:

nine months ago, just out of nowhere.

Jem:

Before we had the pencil shop and I used to machine the dowels on the flatbed

Jem:

with no Chuck and one of those videos.

Justin:

Yeah,

Jem:

Overnight, suddenly I was just like getting heaps of views and as a result,

Jem:

getting subscribers that way, cause I'd probably had like four subscribers

Jem:

prior to this and this video went from nothing to, they'd been there for about

Jem:

two years to like, it was not a new video and it went from no views to like 350,000

Jem:

in the course of a couple of weeks.

Justin:

that's a huge, I'd have nothing of that level.

Justin:

Yeah, it was funny.

Justin:

It was like my Tik TOK explorations for basically a year of nothing.

Justin:

And then suddenly I had something that was like, I'd have a thousand views and

Justin:

suddenly had one now the two, the 100,000.

Justin:

And that's basically like a good half of all of my YouTube views in one day.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

it's just nothing else ever does those kinds of numbers.

Justin:

That's an interesting story that I have some correlation to that, whereas

Justin:

I was doing those one Mac computer videos and they kind of have pretty

Justin:

good take right away, which is nice.

Justin:

But then I noticed the next time apple did their little presentation.

Justin:

They're let's talk about the next computers, big spike.

Justin:

It's like people were going to search and I was like, this is weird.

Justin:

Seeing it in live like real time seeing it happen.

Jem:

interesting.

Jem:

I'm a bit of a sucker for those videos.

Jem:

I must've met.

Justin:

What's your DD breakthrough.

Jem:

Dee Dee Dee Dee is my default diary.

Justin:

Oh,

Jem:

I had a bit of a win and kind of feel weird talking about

Jem:

it, cause it feels too soon.

Jem:

And maybe I'll jinx myself by talking about it too soon,

Jem:

but let's Talk about it.

Justin:

Talk about

Jem:

The default diary has been really useful tool for managing my time.

Jem:

And it's the bits of it have been super effective.

Jem:

Like my quoting block has been very powerful

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

and, mornings are typically pretty good.

Jem:

And then afternoons tend to dissolve into chaos of just random tasks

Jem:

and unfocused time, which doesn't feel very efficient or productive.

Jem:

Anyway, I had a bit of a lead in this week, cause I was looking Monday night, I

Jem:

was looking at my to do list in Airtable and I was like, oh, the like random stuff

Jem:

that I add to like the equivalent of what you write on the back of your hand.

Jem:

Whereas like, oh, I can't forget to do that tonight or tomorrow.

Jem:

All of that stuff was like stacking up at the top of the list and can

Jem:

completely obscuring all the like important stuff that had fallen

Jem:

off the bottom of the screen.

Jem:

All the urgent was overriding the important, so to speak.

Jem:

I thought this is not working.

Jem:

I am not getting through any of these minor urgent things, but I'm

Jem:

also not seeing the important stuff.

Jem:

I really filtered it all in air table.

Jem:

And I've now just got views for each time of the day.

Jem:

So like when , yesterday morning I came in, I was like,

Jem:

cool, I've got R and D slot.

Jem:

And I set up some automation.

Jem:

So I get a slack message at 6:00 AM saying R and D time starts now.

Jem:

And just kind of reminding me of the value of that time as well, like a

Jem:

couple of little nuggets in there.

Jem:

And so then I click into a view in a table and it only shows me R and D tasks.

Jem:

And then at 8:00 AM my production time starts.

Jem:

And I click on the production view and only shows me production tasks.

Jem:

And it still has those little legend things that are filtered through.

Jem:

Like, it might be some random little thing I need to do, but

Jem:

I'll do it in my production.

Jem:

And I just found that super powerful yesterday.

Jem:

I got through so much more, so much more efficiently, and even little things

Jem:

finding a receipt for Sarah, which had been on my to-do list for like weeks.

Jem:

I was like, cool.

Jem:

I mean, that sort of general admin zone now.

Jem:

And like, there's a whole list of these little tasks, but they look

Jem:

quite achievable because they're filtered and I'm not saying R and D and

Jem:

production and marketing all at once.

Jem:

And so my time was much more focused and effective.

Jem:

And I think the other thing for me is not having, trying to make

Jem:

every day as consistent as possible.

Jem:

I'm terrible if there's things on my list, which only happened

Jem:

on like Tuesday afternoons.

Jem:

Cause I get to choose the afternoon every week and there's always something

Jem:

else that's kind of distracting me, whereas I'm trying to format it.

Jem:

So like, even if it's only half an hour, it happens every day.

Jem:

So I can get to those things consistently and form a habit.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

paragraph spot felt really good.

Justin:

Hello.

Justin:

Can I answer with

Justin:

the kind of funny that you bring that up?

Justin:

I mean, I think we're similar.

Justin:

I told my wife, I'm always feeling like I'm trying to change myself

Justin:

with these kinds of things.

Justin:

When you brought up the whole default diary, it hit me in a time where I

Justin:

felt nothing was scheduled in my life.

Justin:

And so I've been experimenting with that.

Justin:

I think I've let it go.

Justin:

I've been scheduling what I do during those times, but I've had

Justin:

this calendar set up where I kind of modified a version of yours, but I

Justin:

really enjoy the one aspect of it.

Justin:

Like you said in the morning when I get here and nobody's around, I do the whole

Justin:

R and D thing, and I like look forward to that so much over the rest of it.

Justin:

And sometimes it just, I let it, I executively choose to let it

Justin:

go through the rest of the day.

Justin:

most of my days, just like, I'm just going to keep doing R

Justin:

and D cause we need this done.

Justin:

that that's good.

Justin:

I find often and bad at like trying to organize what I'm doing in

Justin:

each of those blocks in advance.

Justin:

The difficulty of, I was just noting while you were writing.

Justin:

I've found this with any type of task system I've used over the years, the

Justin:

amount of time I need to enter it in and like, and organize it is kind of inversely

Justin:

proportional to like how useful it is or if I'll do it, or if it'll be clean.

Justin:

And so I was curious, like, do you think what you're doing is sustainable

Justin:

or do you have problems with that where it's too much effort to kind of keep

Justin:

up the system that makes you useful?

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

That's a great, great point.

Jem:

I think I've always struggled with maintaining.

Jem:

Being consistent with systems like I've always migrated from one list system,

Jem:

one app to another pretty, pretty haphazardly illness pretty regularly.

Jem:

I've never been loyal to one thing.

Jem:

I used WorkFlowy for a really long time, but now workflow has been superseded by

Jem:

air table and I've got this graveyard of like must be thousands of, tens of

Jem:

thousands of notes and ideas in workflow.

Jem:

That's just kind of an archive now.

Jem:

And I don't know if I'll ever get back to that.

Jem:

I feel really weird about that.

Jem:

Cache of ideas sitting there potentially never to save a lot of day again,

Jem:

but think that's just the reality.

Jem:

And then I've got the same thing in apple notes.

Jem:

Before I switched to PC using apple notes as my primary to do system,

Jem:

and it's an archive there as well.

Jem:

So.

Jem:

I think what I've got working at the moment is good,

Jem:

but it does take work to keep up the system and I'm

Jem:

constantly fiddling with it.

Jem:

And, is that time better spent fiddling with your list system or just

Jem:

getting out there and doing stuff?

Justin:

Exactly.

Justin:

I have the exact problem.

Justin:

We made a whole Airtable base for the Nack Wall development.

Justin:

And, I'm thinking to myself when we're doing it, this is going to be amazing.

Justin:

I've set up so many of these, and they're always this kind of mishmash

Justin:

of ideas until we finally realized how we're going to use it this time.

Justin:

I was like, I know exactly how we're going to set this up.

Justin:

It's really clean, but there's something odd about it where, I mean,

Justin:

at this point, it's just basically me, maybe Ricky, a little bit, I'd

Justin:

be working on it, but we had a couple other people we would talk about it.

Justin:

We'd have meetings, we'd put in all the things we're going to work

Justin:

on and then nobody would touch it.

Justin:

There's something about the way that it was set up.

Justin:

It was too organized or something, or.

Justin:

I can't even describe it, but I have slack notifications every day.

Justin:

That's literally shaming me.

Justin:

That's like, you got zero Nack Wall things accomplished today.

Justin:

And

Justin:

I still don't

Jem:

awesome.

Justin:

anything with it.

Justin:

And it's so frustrating, I have the same issues.

Justin:

And I do the same thing where I like jump from system to system.

Justin:

And yeah, I don't know.

Justin:

I don't have any answers, but I think I would ride the high of it

Justin:

feeling productive and take that as long as it can, if it was me,

Jem:

yeah, yeah.

Jem:

It's trying to form a habit.

Jem:

I think that's probably the most important thing.

Jem:

Yeah, I do the same thing by making new lists and new air table basis of

Jem:

maintenance or product development.

Jem:

But it's so easy for those things to get lost or just not seen on a daily basis.

Jem:

And then you're like, ah, at least for this somewhere, I think, where is it?

Justin:

I love that about workflow E that was one of my favorite

Justin:

parts is this exact thing.

Justin:

And I think I'll probably live with my entire life all find

Justin:

one list system too much.

Justin:

It's too much to look at or whatever.

Justin:

And I'm like, I have all these new ideas and I know about myself.

Justin:

I need to dump them out.

Justin:

So I'll just make a new node and WorkFlowy hide all the rest, dump it all out there.

Justin:

So I've got like duplicate ideas everywhere.

Jem:

Yeah,

Jem:

same, same.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I mean, I felt really positive about these changes yesterday.

Jem:

But at the same time, I'm really overwhelmed about.

Jem:

Riding home last week, on the bike, I finds a really good Headspace

Jem:

for like thinking and ideas.

Justin:

Yeah,

Jem:

but I'm a little bit overwhelmed by just like how many ideas I

Jem:

have that I want to execute on.

Jem:

And like, what to do about that.

Jem:

I got my to do list is constantly overflowing with things that I want

Jem:

to action or interesting ideas or prototypes or techniques I want to try.

Jem:

And there's no way I'll get to all of it.

Jem:

So do I just let it naturally sort of die off a sort of natural form

Jem:

of attrition and ideas that I forget about therefore just drop off the

Jem:

list and the idea is that our flight to the top of the list, I dunno.

Justin:

I have the exact same struggle.

Justin:

School taught me almost nothing, all of school.

Justin:

24 years or whatever, it was too many years about any of

Justin:

that organization things.

Justin:

And I kind of discovered after I graduated, like I got to figure out,

Justin:

especially when I went to do my own thing after my year of architecture,

Justin:

I gotta figure out how to like, organize and be good at this stuff.

Justin:

And so I found this book via a podcast called Getting Things Done there,

Justin:

heard of this GTD and it's kind of this old school, but still relevant

Justin:

mentality that this guy named David something, I forget his last name,

Justin:

but, um,

Justin:

David Allen.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

It's a really good system and I still kind of use a modified version of it that

Justin:

the thing I don't do, which I'm thinking about as you're talking the thing that

Justin:

would be good for me, it would be to do a review of all the things I have.

Justin:

And that always has been a negative thing for me.

Justin:

And I need to turn that into a positive, but the thing

Justin:

that he always harkens to is.

Justin:

You need a reliable system that you trust because your brain is

Justin:

not good for remembering all the things you need to do.

Justin:

It needs to get out of your brain.

Justin:

Then you're freed up to be able to think productively, creatively and

Justin:

let that system take care of it.

Justin:

put it into a place where all those ideas, I don't do this.

Justin:

Well, I have the same problem where I'm like, I got all these great ideas, but the

Justin:

idea would be dumping them into something.

Justin:

And then maybe they're just like a backlog of ideas, folder, somewhere built into

Justin:

it, where you can shove that stuff.

Justin:

Maybe come back to it, but that it's not constantly harassing

Justin:

your like short-term memory.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

It's interesting.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I think I sometimes compare.

Jem:

Digital systems like workflow, your air table or whatever, to like

Jem:

keeping journals or sketchbooks.

Jem:

But different times of my life, I've been, a regular, I've always

Jem:

got a sketchbook on me, even now.

Jem:

It doesn't get much putting it, but there's times in my life where my

Jem:

sketchbook has been my main system.

Jem:

And then, I've got the box full of, filled up scheduled somewhere.

Jem:

And that's a mixture of the same sort of stuff like product ideas or working

Jem:

through a process or client notes.

Jem:

It's different with paper.

Jem:

Like I don't, I really value having that box of notes that maybe I'll

Jem:

reference one day, but I don't, I never expect to like dig through it

Jem:

and pull out some little bit of gold

Jem:

I know that I've got it, but I don't sort of have any expectation that I

Jem:

need to be able to reference anything in there because you can't search.

Jem:

You can't go into work for that and go, oh, what was that idea I had about shelves

Jem:

and filters all the shelves which when you've got the digital tool that you can

Jem:

search, years, thousands of entries, there's a risk there of just like piling

Jem:

too much data into it that maybe that data should just naturally become redundant.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

David David talks about you, there's a, there's a life basically,

Justin:

of, of a task or like he's all about like actionable things.

Justin:

That's definitely filtered into what we do.

Justin:

It's the same as what we were talking about last week of you can't say clean

Justin:

bathrooms slash , like organize shelves.

Justin:

Like those are two things.

Justin:

And one of them's not even defined.

Justin:

It's like, what is the actual thing you're going to do?

Justin:

verbs not nouns and that you should get rid of the things

Justin:

it's kind of like that whole.

Justin:

Big fad of like getting rid of things you don't need in your life.

Justin:

If you find joy and then we're not right, you should have the same idea

Justin:

with your things you need to do and get rid of them once they're, once they're

Justin:

no longer going to happen, like don't even let them be in your system anymore.

Justin:

Like delete them, archive it.

Justin:

Put it somewhere else.

Justin:

So it's out of the clutter, but again, I don't do any of this stuff.

Justin:

Just what, what probably is the best way to do it if you're a guru?

Jem:

Yeah, So implementing a review process, that's what you're saying.

Justin:

Yeah, I think that I, yeah, would definitely be

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

something I should be doing.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Reflect, review, reset.

Jem:

That's what the business coach tells me.

Justin:

yeah, that's the same

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Cool.

Jem:

Well, I'll add that to my to-do list.

Justin:

check.

Justin:

I'll get that thing done.

Justin:

What's do less.

Jem:

Well, it's not dissimilar actually.

Jem:

Johnny machinists sent a podcast, shared a podcast on the slack yesterday to

Jem:

everyone here that he'd come across.

Jem:

A bunch of us listened to it yesterday.

Jem:

And it was, it was pretty funny.

Jem:

Cause it starts off with this example of like an old lead meeting with like

Jem:

thousand post-it notes on the wall.

Jem:

And like just that the culture of coming out with more ideas.

Jem:

And always adding more and more ideas that kind of stack on top of each other,

Jem:

as opposed to thinking about what can we delete, what are we doing that we

Jem:

can delete in order to make us more efficient or more productive, or so it

Jem:

still talks about subtractive subtractive idea, generation rather than additive.

Jem:

And so that was a really good episode that I want us to share in the notes

Jem:

because that's a really powerful idea thinking about what you can get

Jem:

rid of rather than what you can add.

Justin:

I'm pretty sure I've listened to this.

Justin:

I think somebody else sent this to me and I did find it impactful.

Justin:

And Ricky and I did talk about it.

Justin:

And I'm glad you brought it up again because I did find it great.

Justin:

We've used that idea in a couple of ways of talking about setting

Justin:

up fixtures for different projects.

Justin:

And I don't remember the exact example what it was, but it was

Justin:

like, we should make another fixture that does this other thing.

Justin:

And then I remember the conversation was basically what if we did the opposite

Justin:

and we made this one fixture do both, like and not make a separate thing.

Justin:

That's confusing.

Justin:

You got to set it up and kind of goes back to that metal quest thing that, that

Justin:

tour where my brain was kind of exploded.

Justin:

How many ways that they got away with doing a one setup operation and just

Justin:

things that I was always like, no, like, just, do it the right way to do it,

Justin:

whatever way it works best for the part.

Justin:

And I kind of posted about the pegs we've been trying to make and asking

Justin:

people, how would you cut these?

Justin:

Because we keep getting these worlds swirls on the engrain

Justin:

and

Justin:

it's, we're trying, we're trying to keep it in one setup for the same reason.

Justin:

Right?

Justin:

Like we put these in there once maybe this isn't the right answer.

Justin:

It's kind of hard to know.

Justin:

This shouldn't be an expensive part.

Justin:

It's an accessory.

Justin:

It's small.

Justin:

Why would we want three setups?

Justin:

it should just be one and done, put them in cut.

Justin:

They're done.

Justin:

Like, I don't want to have to flip it just to cut the front.

Justin:

So.

Justin:

Yeah, I think it's a powerful idea.

Jem:

Yeah, totally.

Jem:

Once you remember what happened with the swell pattern, did you resolve.

Justin:

It hasn't gotten back to the machine yet, but Ricky went through, we've

Justin:

got a bunch of good, good suggestions.

Justin:

One person.

Justin:

I don't know if you've ever seen this before as suggested a spindle mounted,

Justin:

oscillating sander, which is super cool.

Justin:

And it actually is like a random orbital isolating.

Justin:

I don't, I still haven't found out the price, but they make them in.

Justin:

I want to say 75 mil up to like, I dunno, for us it would be like a five inch sander

Justin:

and

Jem:

I've seen them on five-axis machines.

Jem:

You're saying you could put one on your

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Just goes into a into a call it, I believe, but

Justin:

I

Justin:

just, I've only seen videos.

Jem:

that you're running ISO 30 tooling.

Jem:

Wow.

Justin:

Good suggestion for other things too.

Justin:

I don't know that it would be a great fit for this, but part of the

Justin:

struggle with that part is we want a nice little champer at the end of it.

Justin:

And so anything we do after the machine, you can't really get

Justin:

that champer back in a good sense.

Justin:

we've been trying to

Jem:

sander driven by the spindle or is it driven?

Jem:

Well,

Justin:

Yeah, it's really cool.

Jem:

send me a link.

Justin:

I found that somebody had sent me the manufacturer and it's one of

Justin:

those silly companies where they give you no information on how to buy it.

Justin:

It's just like, here's a

Justin:

thing.

Justin:

Here's a video.

Jem:

Speaking of toys, I'm going to a tool show tomorrow

Justin:

oh,

Jem:

menu.

Jem:

It's kind of, I think it's, Australia's equivalent of your IMTS.

Justin:

I was wondering.

Justin:

Cool.

Jem:

be tiny compared to

Justin:

Is it called?

Justin:

Is it called?

Justin:

AMT S

Jem:

No.

Jem:

I had to kind of remember what it's called.

Jem:

It's quite confused in terms of its branding.

Jem:

It's got multiple titles, so I don't know what it's called anyway, trying to

Jem:

say the, in the morning bit of a joint

Jem:

that'd be fun and was telling you.

Jem:

She was like, why are they flights in the calendar on Friday?

Jem:

I was like, oh, I'm going to see any total shows, like, right.

Jem:

It's cool.

Jem:

I'm going to go down to some dodgy shop and put a fraudulent transaction

Jem:

through on the company credit card.

Jem:

So it gets canceled for the weekend.

Jem:

She knows me.

Jem:

She knows me too well.

Justin:

That's how I got a CNC was a tool

Justin:

show.

Jem:

Looking forward to seeing all the little random things like that.

Jem:

Hopefully there's lots of little fun stuff.

Jem:

I don't think I'm going for machines.

Jem:

I'm going to just, I feel like I haven't been to a tool show.

Jem:

for three or four years, so be good to just sort of catch up

Jem:

on where the industry's at and

Jem:

see what's happening.

Justin:

The IMTS is pretty tempting.

Justin:

I haven't even looked at costs anything, but I need nothing.

Justin:

Right.

Justin:

But I would like to see people and like you said, and see

Justin:

what the industry is doing.

Justin:

I put a link to that oscillating head sander.

Justin:

It's pretty cool.

Jem:

Oh, it's much simpler than I expected.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

It's just pretty, almost like don't trust it.

Justin:

, like it wouldn't be balanced or something.

Jem:

Mike.

Jem:

One of those

Jem:

that's super simple.

Jem:

Wow.

Jem:

Okay, cool.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Going on the list.

Jem:

Thank you.

Jem:

John and I were chatting yesterday.

Jem:

I think I used John's stage name Johnny sometimes, and

Jem:

other times I call him John.

Jem:

So John Johnny and machine is chatting to him yesterday about making a

Jem:

custom head for our tangential knife.

Jem:

Cause Trinity's got an oscillating knife and a tangential knife.

Jem:

The tangential knife is basically just a drag knife that can change direction

Jem:

through and say control.

Jem:

And we really want to be out there.

Jem:

but have the knife set on an angle.

Jem:

So it'd be able to cut like,

Jem:

um, miters and stuff into acoustic felt specifically.

Jem:

but the angled cutting head that we can get that comes from

Jem:

Canada, I think is going to cost three grand or something silly.

Jem:

So John and I were like, let's just try and make one.

Jem:

That's a pretty simple little fitting.

Jem:

We just need to modify a tool, call the

Jem:

starting theme yesterday.

Jem:

So Yeah,

Jem:

it's nice to see that example of the sander and how simple it is because

Jem:

yeah, I think we're going to try and machine and make a little angled, like

Jem:

something that we can set the angle on, maybe have two or three of them.

Jem:

So when we're doing a job and we've got different monitor angles in the same

Jem:

sheet, we can just do like a tool change routes, which manual tool change with the

Jem:

tangential, but still just be able to come back in and put in a 45 degree monitor and

Jem:

then come back and do a 22.5 or whatever.

Justin:

that'd be

Jem:

so that'll be a fun little project and John's machine a

Jem:

few aluminum and projects now.

Jem:

So he's kind of wrapped his head around machining aluminum on the routers and

Justin:

seems like you guys are, have no issue with aluminum at all.

Jem:

No, it does good.

Jem:

Those good does.

Jem:

Only one tool I've found that does a great job and heaven.

Jem:

I need to do a bit more tool research, but there's this one Onsrud quarter

Jem:

inch tool like single flute up cut.

Jem:

That just does a beautiful top.

Jem:

So whenever I've tried branching out and using different tooling

Jem:

on Allen minium, I've just has it.

Jem:

It's never been at a nice, the top edge is a little bit bird or something.

Jem:

So I just keep coming back to this fun quarter inch tool.

Justin:

Oh, flute are pretty common.

Justin:

I've found that I think it helps.

Justin:

We have such a weird scenario to cut aluminum on routers that I find it

Justin:

really hard to find information on

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

just a lot of it.

Justin:

Like, how do you enter?

Justin:

How do you, what are all the, it's just not much documentation on it.

Justin:

Or there wasn't my looked last time, but yeah, we found success with

Justin:

an old flute, which is the same thing that helps to evacuate chips.

Justin:

I think.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

No

Jem:

It's coffee top up time.

Justin:

coffee's for closers.

Jem:

The back,

Justin:

All right.

Justin:

So we don't skip it this time.

Justin:

And I noticed as I was editing that I was bringing up something

Justin:

at the end of the last show and I think it was something else.

Justin:

And you go, no, no, I'm ignoring that.

Justin:

I missed you saying it, but I think you were talking about

Justin:

our accountability buddy.

Jem:

I was,

Justin:

And you were like, and then you didn't say anything after that.

Justin:

And I was like, ha, he got away with it.

Jem:

yeah, I thought you were going to pull me up from my get upon its

Jem:

dimensions that I hadn't done riding in before the plug tests last week,

Jem:

I was like, ah, what's the time I've maybe I've got 20 minutes, so I'll

Jem:

try and bash out some progress on the, but no, I didn't get to it.

Jem:

But I had, I have made progress, so I can please to report that worked

Jem:

the Numi calculator pretty hard this week and I'm 90% there on the.

Jem:

New logic for the lengths of a thousand, how the shelves like to each other.

Jem:

I had an interesting meeting with a developer actually about

Jem:

the online configurator that we want to build for Kitta Parts.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

And he made this really interesting comment.

Jem:

He's actually a client we're building cabinetry for him at the moment.

Jem:

And then Jaya was like, if that guy's like a gun developer web designer,

Jem:

I was like, oh, let me see really?

Jem:

Okay, well, let's get him in.

Jem:

Like I gave him a call and I was like, I'm not calling about the cabinets.

Jem:

I'm calling about this other idea.

Jem:

Anyway, he came in for a meeting and he made this really interesting, quite

Jem:

insightful comment about we're talking about how the configurator might

Jem:

work, just logistically and how the parts would snap together and stuff.

Jem:

He was like, I think you need a singular unit of measure that the

Jem:

entire system is kind of based on

Justin:

yup.

Justin:

Yup.

Justin:

Yup.

Jem:

And so that took that idea home.

Jem:

And I opened up Naomi on the couch and I was like, cool.

Jem:

My stock is 16.

Jem:

Well, if stock is 16 and then I just made up a multiplier that was 16 times

Jem:

a multiplier, and then kind of built out the whole logic of kit of parts.

Jem:

Just off those two numbers in one little formula basically was a really

Jem:

pleasing exercise because then I could go back and I could go, okay.

Jem:

And then I was comparing it to, paperback sizes, hardcover sizes,

Jem:

vinyl records, all the key things.

Jem:

I don't want to store in the new system that I want to be compared to.

Jem:

And then looking at those starting points and going, okay, if this stuff

Jem:

is 16.3, how does that affect the stack up of all those dimensions?

Jem:

Or if I change the multiplier from seven to eight, how does that change?

Jem:

And it's just a really nice exercise, no drawing, no CAD modeling, just

Jem:

a purely sort of mathematical

Justin:

Yeah,

Jem:

starting point as a really nice exercise.

Jem:

That got me most of the way there to deciding what the new numbers need to be.

Justin:

you sent me a that slack screenshot of your progress and new me.

Justin:

And I I've done that same thing in a few different ways.

Justin:

And I think that is a really good exploration.

Justin:

It's so focused.

Justin:

Like you can only do so much with it, but it's also pretty flexible in

Justin:

that, you change basically a parameter somewhere and it affects everything else.

Justin:

I at one time did a quote while we were sitting in an airport

Justin:

with Numi, just based on feed rates and like lengths of parts.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Awesome.

Justin:

Cool.

Justin:

That's awesome.

Jem:

it's kind of nice to do that,

Jem:

Not in a CAD environment, cause you can't get distracted by like muddling.

Jem:

What should the chamfer be?

Jem:

Or like sort of getting distracted by like little aesthetic details.

Jem:

It's just like the role, most important information only.

Justin:

I love how it's it's own little world, so you can create

Justin:

I'm sure this is how people that actually know how to code feel, right?

Justin:

Like I've created a variable and now I'm going to use it all these other ways.

Justin:

I love that feeling of like it being really effectual, but it

Justin:

didn't take very long to create.

Jem:

Have I asked you this?

Jem:

Do you know how to use variables?

Justin:

I don't, I think I would like to, I know that our router can't and

Justin:

that's limited my thoughts for a while on a lot of this, I think the mill could

Jem:

cool.

Jem:

Yeah, I'd suspect that route.

Jem:

I probably couldn't cope with the data, but maybe the Masso

Jem:

running the pencil sharp.

Jem:

And I could, I

Jem:

feel like it'd just be, I feel like it'd be so useful to be

Jem:

able to run variables in G-code

Justin:

that unit thing though you kind of, that's a good reference point

Justin:

for me too, because part of setting up the grid for the Nack wall we

Justin:

have shelves and things, and we're literally just going to start calling

Justin:

them like basically by their size.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

haven't formalized how we would call them.

Justin:

They're basically been how wide they are.

Justin:

So like these little bent steel shelves, we call one wide for one w

Jem:

Um, w.

Justin:

they are actually, it's two, two w I confused myself in that a long time ago.

Justin:

They take up two spots and part of what I had thought of instead of a configurator,

Justin:

that sounds perfect, obviously, is to just create a little group.

Justin:

And then show how much of the grid they take up and like a graphic.

Justin:

So then you could easily say like, this takes up two by one, or something like

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

it's still tough though.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

And I like that.

Jem:

It's kind of like the, what's the, what are those units, in audio gear?

Jem:

Rack mounted.

Justin:

Oh, yeah.

Justin:

One.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

have, they have a little, so I can't remember the naming conventions, but it's

Jem:

like one and it's like, that's a, single

Justin:

I think it's a you

Jem:

yeah.

Jem:

One year maybe.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

I've looked at those a little bit.

Jem:

Cause I realized at some point that the the widths between the dowels and the

Jem:

Kitta Parts, so it's like perfect to slot one of those rack mounted things into it.

Jem:

So I just needed some like little 3d printed adapters to go from round

Jem:

dowel to the rack, Mount bullpen

Justin:

You can do what you did for that table and shear off some

Justin:

of the dowel and make it square.

Jem:

Yeah,

Jem:

they are cool.

Jem:

I need to document it properly.

Jem:

They got instill a couple of days ago classic jam.

Jem:

Like you put so much effort into making these a unique parts and Ben did an

Jem:

amazing job, putting the Tufts together and all the sub-frame and so much work.

Jem:

And then it's like suddenly it's in a truck and on-site, and

Jem:

haven't even got a decent photo of it or any documentation bill.

Jem:

It feels like I've had this idea for years and I've never done it.

Jem:

It was like just calling up all their old clients and saying, Hey, I'm in Melbourne

Jem:

today for the whole day with a camera.

Jem:

Can I just drop by and

Jem:

check on the project and take some photos?

Justin:

It's common in architecture.

Jem:

it

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

I like to see how people using things.

Justin:

Not for sure.

Jem:

I like, I like to see where like scratches and use

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

I'd love to find a way to maybe I've talked about this before,

Jem:

but I'd love to find a way to sort of promote aware as an aesthetic

Justin:

Oh for sure.

Jem:

choice.

Jem:

Like, I think it's so much richness and texture that it can be seen in

Jem:

a, a tabletop that's been used.

Jem:

Versus this sort of cold, hard laminate

Jem:

surface,

Justin:

do it, like you did your marketing send us your

Justin:

finished your best, wear you

Jem:

just your best copy.

Jem:

Stain.

Justin:

send us your best hoarder mess.

Jem:

Tony says,

Jem:

What is the, what's the name of the character that you insert the AI

Don:

My name is Don, damnit Jem.

Justin:

It's called Don

Jem:

Don?

Jem:

Not tiny,

Justin:

the original guys, Don LaFontaine, who it's the original, like in a world,

Don:

In a world, I live in an app and am forced to talk about CNC's for podcasts.

Justin:

I'll put it in here.

Jem:

So good.

Justin:

I haven't done a whole lot with Nack while I've been working

Justin:

on revising this T clamp thing.

Justin:

Ricky did a bunch of making a

Jem:

Is it black one?

Jem:

Is it printed?

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

It's an old printed one.

Justin:

I, this is not new, but I just play

Jem:

no, not black.

Justin:

Now I'm getting close.

Justin:

I have the setup basically figured out.

Justin:

We have this one Burr area on this thing that doesn't show on this, but you can't

Justin:

perfectly run the round over next to that.

Justin:

So then it's super sharp.

Justin:

I kind of have an idea on how to do that now.

Justin:

and we started to buy material for that photo shoot to start building

Justin:

the set up kind of law for it.

Justin:

Kind of spent a lot of my time otherwise fixing the printer.

Justin:

The Prusa, which I wanted to kind of bring up too, because I was dreading that,

Justin:

but it also turned out to be really good because I realized in the end, this is

Justin:

exactly why you buy a Prusa is they have easily the best documentation of seen

Justin:

of any company in terms of like how to repair something, how to tweak something.

Justin:

They have like color coded, arrowed step-by-step photos on their

Justin:

website that you can just scroll through on your phone and fix.

Justin:

And all their parts are like easily available.

Justin:

And , you do have to sometimes buy stuff from where are they from?

Jem:

Czech Republic.

Justin:

Czech Republic.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

I just saw, they just had an event.

Justin:

I was watching this video where they've, they've acquired a

Justin:

company in the United States.

Justin:

I think it was called print, solid printed, solid, or print solid.

Justin:

And so now all of their parts will distribute.

Justin:

It's nice for us from the United States directly.

Justin:

And it was already pretty easy, I guess, to get, but I was just super impressed

Justin:

with, I had this thing, a whole head of the printer, just in pieces in the same

Justin:

day I was printing good parts again.

Justin:

pretty

Jem:

Awesome.

Jem:

Super cool.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

It's definitely an upload for Prusa.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

You've tangented away from

Justin:

I did.

Justin:

I

Justin:

did.

Jem:

conveniently.

Jem:

I was going to ask you, like, if, if my lucky in my

Jem:

dimensions is my biggest hurdle.

Jem:

Well, currently what's your biggest sticking point to getting

Jem:

Nack on the market right now?

Justin:

I think really frustrated by the kit thing.

Justin:

I've been reading that thought you had last time of just don't ever

Justin:

think it, throw it together and I like that, but I haven't allowed

Justin:

myself to just throw it together.

Justin:

So I've been trying to think of what's the simplest way to go about this?

Justin:

Like, do I just throw it out there and see if people can build

Justin:

their own kits or I don't know.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

I've definitely over complicated that part.

Justin:

And , obviously the hurdle of doing a photo shoot is there, but I'm not as

Justin:

concerned about that as I am trying to finalize what's purchasable, like

Justin:

what is the thing you can purchase?

Justin:

And I think the kid is the way to go.

Justin:

I think it would be pretty tough to try to buy the right

Justin:

amount of stuff that's on it.

Justin:

I think that's tough.

Justin:

The must we make like the best pictographs ever

Jem:

yeah, I think you're onto something with the naming

Jem:

convention of the accessories.

Jem:

Like if the names of those can help inform how much space they take up without

Jem:

having to scroll down and look for a dimension or something silly like that.

Jem:

Yeah, I think, I still think though, like if you did a shoot with whole

Jem:

bunch of different accessories with different things going on, I still think

Jem:

just like a basic kit with whatever.

Jem:

I'm just looking behind you at, like, what would I want on one?

Jem:

I would want a panel, I'd put a panel just here on my wall.

Jem:

If I didn't have a thread board that was going to go there and I would want,

Jem:

poor shelves and a whiteboard, that's probably it to stuff like just a simple.

Jem:

Thing.

Jem:

It might be a plant holder and a backup that would work perfectly for that.

Jem:

So, maybe I'm not the.

Jem:

target market.

Jem:

Like I can sort of think through clearly what I want to do with

Jem:

it, but maybe that's unfair.

Jem:

Like maybe everyone can do that easily enough if you show four or five

Jem:

photos of different configurations.

Jem:

I think that visual inspiration should be enough for most people to go.

Jem:

Oh, cool.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I'll get that chill and these accessories and that hanger.

Jem:

And that that'll be me to start with.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Some of that challenge, right.

Justin:

Of, I think the power of the product is that it's modular, right?

Justin:

And that you can rearrange, you can choose all these different options

Justin:

and making it be forced to only kits to start is kind of contrary to that.

Justin:

And that's honestly, because of the limitation of.

Justin:

How it feels like it would be difficult to shop for it.

Justin:

But I take the point though, of with enough examples, maybe if they're

Justin:

keynoted or something well enough that you could just give people

Justin:

examples that they could make a build and somehow put that in their cart.

Justin:

I guess if it didn't work, maybe we check them before we ship them or

Justin:

something and just say like, Hey, this doesn't quite work, but yeah, I've

Justin:

been struggling too much with that.

Justin:

And it's definitely not good.

Justin:

I think I'm limiting us from being able to move forward.

Jem:

I think still having.

Jem:

KA as the starting point is essential though, because I think

Jem:

my experience, there's a lot of friction in having to build the kit

Jem:

from scratch on someone's website.

Jem:

And so you just click like next starter kit and that drops in

Jem:

just kind of the bay minimum.

Jem:

And then you go, cool.

Jem:

That's got that in that suite, but I actually, I want, I want to add a cabinet

Jem:

or I want to add two extra shelves.

Jem:

I think that's going to remove a lot of friction in my mind, but just getting

Jem:

started rather than sort of being no, no one likes a blank page, right?

Jem:

What's that great quote, like the tyranny of the blank page or

Jem:

something like you've got a new pen and a beautiful piece of papers.

Jem:

Like what's the first thing I'm going to put down.

Jem:

I'd be, I'd be closing that shopping cart pretty quickly.

Jem:

If I had to sort of start from scratch and decide

Justin:

Well, yeah, you definitely have to get, I mean, you could probably relate

Justin:

to one of the challenges I find with not starting with a kit is, how do we

Justin:

calculate shipping Do we just kind of.

Justin:

Blink rate it and just guess, cause like one of the products, for example, the

Justin:

slider cabinet, we can throw smaller products inside of it, and then if those

Justin:

go together that drastically changed the shipping price compared to if we have

Justin:

to ship, I don't know something else.

Justin:

So maybe it just needs to be more of a, of a mess to get going and

Jem:

Just,

Justin:

it as we go.

Jem:

Just get it wrong.

Jem:

But,

Justin:

make stuff.

Jem:

so what if you like lose some money on

Jem:

shipping?

Jem:

The first few orders, like Ben, you're fine and get it right.

Justin:

for sure.

Justin:

That's a good thought.

Jem:

Yeah, ma'am

Justin:

the thing I've imagined is to do the product and like

Justin:

elevation drawing and then.

Justin:

In the context of the board with the grid and then basically

Justin:

show how much it overlaps.

Justin:

Each one of those, as you're starting to add it, you could maybe it's just

Justin:

mentally, but you could at least see, oh, this takes up that and potentially

Justin:

use this idea of widen and tall, like it's two and two so that you could amass

Justin:

and maybe, maybe we make a printable thing so you can draw it yourself.

Justin:

Ooh.

Justin:

That's not a bad idea.

Jem:

Paper cutouts.

Jem:

You printed I page and he cut out the accessories and then you can arrange them.

Justin:

I like that.

Justin:

That's way cheaper than a developer.

Jem:

Shut up.

Jem:

You just made me feel a little bit sick saying that.

Justin:

You can do the same.

Justin:

Nope, no, here's what we do is we make dye cut stickers that we send to people.

Justin:

That's an idea.

Justin:

We just made our money for the week.

Justin:

I think

Jem:

yeah, think so.

Justin:

How's your texts.

Justin:

How's your text sniper use.

Jem:

Oh, it's fun.

Jem:

I wasn't convinced that I'd find it useful, but I've

Jem:

found lots of uses for it.

Jem:

I think your example of being able to snip the text out of a messy purchase order

Jem:

and just drop it straight into air table zero has been the most useful function.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

A lot of websites, right?

Justin:

That's the

Justin:

original great use, which , max can do, but I find this is way easier and faster.

Justin:

I'm sure it'll be superseded at some point, but it was like a $7 thing.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I liked it afternoon.

Justin:

We're currently printing baby pants version hotel, and I was

Justin:

using that stupid naming mechanism.

Justin:

And I didn't even know that hotel was H but I like it.

Justin:

We are, let's see where if we get to here, we are not too far.

Justin:

It's like an 11 hour print.

Justin:

I cranked up about 20% faster than it should be going.

Justin:

So we'll see if that makes any problems.

Justin:

But I did test today, which I'm kind of excited about.

Justin:

There's five horsepower and 10 horsepower spindles that ShopSabre sells.

Justin:

And my friend Dennis has 10 horsepower and it tested our full assembly on

Justin:

it and it works better than ours.

Justin:

So that's a pretty good success.

Justin:

The ES 919 is the 10 horsepower and it works.

Justin:

It's the same fitment.

Justin:

And then part of the constraint of the front is actually less than

Justin:

our constraint, so it should work.

Justin:

Great.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

And I said, it's been, it's been in regular discussion.

Jem:

Here is when, when his baby pants coming out,

Justin:

When are we getting the baby pants?

Jem:

It is your intention to sell printed parts or just sell files.

Justin:

Probably be selling the assembly.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Great.

Jem:

With the acetol and stuff, a thing,

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

only ship you on the, I don't know.

Justin:

I mean, at this point, I don't know, print wise, how it'll

Justin:

go, how clean will come out.

Justin:

And I'm hoping after we test this one that we're ready to go.

Justin:

Last challenge is just figuring out the brush strip which is actually a bigger

Justin:

challenge than I thought it would be.

Justin:

And I think we've rounded the right like measurement of the bristle.

Justin:

There's so many, like I've had a couple of people bring up that

Justin:

you can have them custom made.

Justin:

So that's probably somewhere down the road for now.

Justin:

I'm just trying to use kind of off the shelf stuff that works pretty

Justin:

well, but I'm hoping couple of weeks, maybe a week or two away from

Justin:

actually making stuff that's sellable.

Justin:

The changes I made are pretty minor, but they kind of facilitate easier install.

Justin:

And I was saying, the brushes were a bit of a problem.

Jem:

The

Jem:

brushes are they magnetic?

Jem:

I saw magnets in one of your things.

Jem:

What, what comes on and off with magnets?

Justin:

there's a top plate and then a bottom plate and the

Justin:

plates attached to each other.

Justin:

So the bottom is where the brush attaches to

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Cool.

Jem:

If you crash into a clamp or a fixture, like the brush strips

Jem:

kinda kind of fall off, is that

Justin:

yeah.

Justin:

I don't know if it's so much as a safety measure as it is.

Justin:

There's a couple of reasons I wanted to use it, but it is

Justin:

what the ShopSabre comes with.

Justin:

Is that kind of, here's the one we've retired.

Justin:

That was the original shop saber, but you can trade the plates on and off.

Justin:

And my intention.

Justin:

Is to down the road, sell the tool posts that we made, and we should

Justin:

be able to vastly improve the focus and just better dust collection

Justin:

by closing off more of the area.

Justin:

So you can change the plate out and also put in spacers, right.

Justin:

That allow you to get closer to maybe a deeper pocket or something like that.

Justin:

So for now, I've just been working on the generic version

Jem:

Great.

Jem:

Super cool.

Jem:

Typical.

Justin:

soon here.

Justin:

Hopefully that's a little frustrated last week.

Justin:

Cause I felt like I should have been doing what I'm doing now.

Justin:

And I said branched off my brass nozzle tip.

Justin:

So luckily back up without much problem.

Jem:

That's awesome.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Cool, man.

Jem:

I think my last recommendation for this week is an episode

Jem:

of the making it podcast.

Jem:

Should I listen to during the week, which is the, the Jimmy, Bob and David

Jem:

show, Jimmy duress and his mates.

Jem:

And they've been doing it for like forever six years or something.

Jem:

Whenever I run out of podcasts to listen to, I just go into their stream

Jem:

and like scroll back randomly and like pick one of the hundreds of episodes.

Jem:

And I randomly chose one during the week.

Jem:

And it was, it was, I think days after Jimmy's shop manager, Aaron had died

Jem:

and it's just this amazing story.

Jem:

It's all just about Aaron and how he came to work with Jimmy.

Jem:

And I just really struck me like how important our working

Jem:

relationships are with our staff and people who come and work for us.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah, just that it was a really nice reminder.

Jem:

It's a very emotionally charged episode, probably three reasons.

Jem:

But I think a really important thing just to acknowledge how

Jem:

important the people are around us.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

stop and think about that.

Jem:

I really got a lot out of that episode.

Justin:

I'll definitely listen to that.

Justin:

That's I think about that often in terms of, it's kind of a, not

Justin:

necessarily the same as what you're saying, but I think about what

Justin:

happens to the podcasts that I love.

Justin:

If somebody happens to die, right.

Justin:

Every once in a while, like, will they stay online?

Justin:

Cause I think about FairWarning right?

Justin:

Like this thing that we're making, like as soon as we stop paying for it,

Justin:

I'm pretty sure it just disappears.

Jem:

Not really.

Justin:

I don't think it goes, I don't, I just be an RSS feed that probably

Justin:

isn't there and the hosting would stop.

Justin:

And so similarly it's like, if you really like your podcasts, you may

Justin:

want to like save those somewhere.

Justin:

But.

Justin:

Yeah, I get so much value out of listening to certain podcasts.

Justin:

That's not really your point, but I just think about that.

Justin:

That

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

it makes you appreciate, I think the people, like you're saying

Justin:

that you work with in a different way or family or any of those

Justin:

things, it's just a good memory.

Justin:

Mindfulness of

Justin:

life.

Jem:

Yup, yup.

Jem:

Yup.

Jem:

And on that

Justin:

It's going to say good note, good note.

Jem:

Cool.

Jem:

And shop news here, the pencil shopping has been busy

Jem:

printing, double ended pants.

Justin:

No problems after your weird glitch.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Still, still get glitches.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

This USB era, it crops up pretty regularly.

Jem:

I think it's an electrical interference issue,

Justin:

Oh, interesting.

Jem:

Shani to dig into at some point when I feel like I've got half a day

Jem:

to blow but took pretty quick race it and then start again and I'll forget.

Jem:

But,

Justin:

I suppose that's one of the things you don't get from buying a

Justin:

manufacturer made machine is they haven't clear out all those weird bugs for you.

Jem:

Let's see.

Jem:

Yeah, it's

Justin:

enough.

Jem:

that's it.

Justin:

Nice.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

I finished baby pants again here, and I need to finish up, spend some time.

Justin:

It's always hard to just like, make myself focus to like, what are these

Justin:

kits going to be for the wall, right?

Justin:

Like, what are those final steps?

Justin:

They're not just go make something or design something it's like

Justin:

more deciding on, on real factors.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

You need to put it in my default diary.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I find something that helps me be more decisive with stuff like that

Jem:

is to just do it at the final point where it's going to be published.

Jem:

So like get into Shopify, making a new product and just actually

Jem:

start fleshing out variants on.

Jem:

I might scrap it all.

Jem:

We'll do it like four times before.

Jem:

I'm happy with the sort of the variant logic, but I find

Jem:

that a really useful tool.

Jem:

To make me commit.

Jem:

It's just that jump into Shopify and by habit.

Jem:

So it can pretty much press publish log or whatever it is and it'll be

Justin:

I noticed a bunch of stuff.

Justin:

You guys are doing the Shopify.

Justin:

That's pretty cool.

Justin:

Do you leave all those?

Justin:

Draft then when you're making those variant,

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Like I say, there as drafts.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Nice.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

So maybe I'll try that.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

that.

Jem:

can be informative because you run into limitations with, Shopify

Jem:

has three options and stuff like that, but just helps inform that

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

the logic of the offering.

Justin:

that is something that I've been up against already.

Jem:

Yeah,

Justin:

All right.

Justin:

Well, that's a good

Jem:

well, let's do,

Justin:

That's good.

Justin:

Let's go make stuff.

Jem:

let's do it.

Jem:

Awesome.

Jem:

Thanks

Jem:

Justin.

Jem:

Bye.

Jem:

I feel like we're getting longer and longer each week.

Justin:

Yeah, a little bit.

Justin:

It's funny.

Justin:

Cause it'll be, it'll be like an hour 10, like it is now.

Justin:

And somehow they end up being 42 to like 49.

Jem:

I've been amazed how consistently the have ended up being.

Justin:

I just use the descript feature where I just say, I want

Justin:

it to be between 42 and 49 minutes.

Justin:

And it just cuts arbitrarily

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