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Episode 1120th September 2023 • Retromade • Retromade
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Today, we travel back to August of 1984 to discuss a military-style action thriller starring Patrick Swayze and many other familiar faces in Red Dawn!

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Rewinding with me today is Dr. Darian Parker! Dr. Darian Parker earned his Ph.D in Sports Education Leadership with an emphasis in Behavior Modification from UNLV. He earned his Master and Bachelor degrees from James Madison University in Kinesiology. Dr. Parker is the Co-Owner of Epic Leisure Management LLC., the Owner of Parker Personal Training LLC and the Host of Dr. D's Social Network Podcast. Dr. Parker is a certified personal trainer through the NSCA. During Dr. Parker's career he has served several roles in the fitness and wellness industry. He has worked extensively in both the academic and private club sector as a Director of Education for a Career College, General Manager of a high end luxury residential fitness club and National Director of Fitness for a global leisure management company. Recently, Dr. Parker was named the 2023 Personal Trainer of the Year by IDEA.  Check him out: www.doctordarianparker.com

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Hello, hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

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Retro Made, your pop culture rewind.

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Let's take another trip down memory lane.

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Today, we travel back to August of

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thriller, starring Patrick Swayze and

many other familiar faces in Red Dawn.

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I'm delighted to have Dr.

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Darian Parker with me today.

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Dr.

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Parker is the co owner of Epic Leisure

Management, the owner of Parker

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personal training and the host of Dr.

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D's social network podcast.

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And I was actually even honored

to guest on that podcast to

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talk all things eighties.

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Darian, thank you so much for joining me.

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Tell us more about you and your show.

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Well, thank you for having me, Katie.

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I really appreciate it.

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And I think we connected really well

on my show because I have a segment

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every couple of weeks where it's

called arbor is a bad taste, but

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it's actually just kind of a play.

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It's a good thing about 80s movies that

maybe obscure or that we just loved.

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It's a friend of mine when I do that

as part of my podcast universe and it's

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just a good, fun time to talk about.

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The movies that influenced us during

the 80s and how that made us feel

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and then actually how that kind of

extrapolates to our current life.

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You know, when you watch a movie,

when you're 10, it's different than

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when you're like 40, you get a lot

different themes out of it clearly.

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And in Red Dawn was one of those.

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Movies with that, but yeah, my

podcast is just all over the place.

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Lots of different people,

different walks of life.

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And while I fitness is my profession,

I like to do a lot of other things.

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And my podcast is just kind of my canvas

for painting and understanding all the

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different things that happen in life.

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That is a really great way to put it.

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And I, I very much enjoy the

variety that you have on your show.

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But I will say a particular.

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Note is the arbiters of bad taste.

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That's great.

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So I hope everyone checks it out.

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Let's get into that retro frame of mind.

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Speaking of by opening the

time capsule from August,:

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So, I have vague memories of some

of these things because I was pretty

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small at the time, but it appears

to be a huge season for your prime

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time soaps of the 80s of seems to

be what was happening at the time.

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So, according to Nielsen ratings

from the 83 to 84 season,

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the top shows were Dallas.

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Dynasty the a team Simon and Simon.

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Had you heard of Simon and Simon before?

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Yes, I've heard of Simon and Simon.

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I was a big 18 person.

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Very much.

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Okay.

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18.

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Yeah, so Simon and Simon, you

had been familiar with it.

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I was not.

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Yes, I was.

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I mean, it didn't.

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Watch much of it, but I I was big 18.

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I was all about the 18 because Mr.

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T was my guy.

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And I was totally into that time period.

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And then the, the soap operas, my mom

watched all of those dynasty, Dallas,

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and I caught a few myself, actually.

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There's a few more.

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So like I, so for viewers that or

listeners who don't know what Simon

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and Simon was, I didn't either.

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It was a crime drama show revolving

around polar opposite Simon brothers.

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That run a private investigating agency

in San Diego during the eighties and

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their contrasting approaches to, you

know, how they approach things led

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to lots of personality conflicts and,

you know, I suppose comedy ensues.

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But we also have, so the

A team then also Magnum P.

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I.

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Did you watch Magnum P.

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I.?

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Magnum PI, Tom Selleck, for sure.

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Definitely check that out.

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That mustache, and didn't he

have a super cool car too?

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Very super cool car.

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I think the mustache

was like the big thing.

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Like he had this big bushy mustache.

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It was kind of like Tom Selleck's.

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Like signature look is that mustache

and everything he's done, you know?

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Yeah, agreed.

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It is his signature.

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The A team I'm familiar with,

but honestly, I don't know if

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I've seen an episode, but Mr.

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T will forever be Clubber Lang to

me from the Rocky series, you know?

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On, on my show, we reviewed Rocky

three and we talked extensively about

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Clever Lang and you know, maybe the

most famous line of that movie movie

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is what's your prediction pain pain.

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Oh, it's so good.

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His 1 liners are epic in that.

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He's just got a presence.

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Mr.

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Yeah.

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Then there's also in the top prime time.

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So, yeah, all these.

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All these soaps, Falcon Crest, another

soap, Kate, Kate and Allie was actually

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one of the few like sitcoms and I

vaguely remember this with Jane Curtin.

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Did you watch that?

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No, this one escapes me.

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I don't remember this one.

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It was like two single moms.

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I think maybe they'd been

divorced or perhaps widowed.

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And they live together, they share

a house with them and their kids.

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I, I can sort of, I feel like I watched

it, but I'm not describing it very well.

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And I don't remember which, if

Jane Curtin was Kate or Allie.

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Listeners, please tell me if you

watched Kate and Allie, then rounding

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out the top Nielsen rated shows, Hotel.

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Had you heard of Hotel?

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Hotel?

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What's that?

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Yeah, it's another prime time soap.

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This one, let's see, it was

produced by Aaron Spelling.

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And it's set in a fictitious San Francisco

hotel, following the activities of

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the guests and the lives of the staff.

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That actually kind of sounds

interesting, but I hadn't heard of it.

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I definitely never heard of that,

but Erin Spelling has done a lot of I

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actually just watched a show that was

all about it's like dark side of the 90s.

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And it was all about, like, a lot of shows

that came out under Aaron Spelling and

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this one, Teens for TV, it was a whole

thing, but it just made me think of that.

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Yeah, he did a lot of teen dramas, like

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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That sounds interesting.

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It was a huge amount of them.

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Yeah, it's really good.

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It just takes you on the rewind machine.

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You're like, oh, I didn't realize

this was as big as it was.

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Party of Five and all these things.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Aaron Spelling.

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Wow.

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Knott's Landing was yet another.

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I'd heard of that 1, at

least, but I've never seen it.

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I mean, the vast majority of these

are these prime time soaps and this

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was a spin off of Dallas apparently

centered around the lives of 4

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married 4 married couples in an L.

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A.

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suburb.

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So 1983.

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Big year for soap operas.

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Yeah.

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Soap operas were huge.

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I mean, I, I remember my parents,

my mom, especially watching

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all those different shows.

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I, I saw a few of them here and

there, but it was definitely like,

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I remember it even Knotts Landing.

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I remember that as well, because

my mom was so into that stuff,

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yeah, because there was also, I see, I

feel like it was also the kind of the

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height of the daytime soap opera as well.

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So, I guess the housewives of the day

got, got their fill of soap operas.

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That's right.

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Did you watch Saturday

morning cartoons at this time?

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Yes, I was deeply into Voltron.

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Deeply into Voltron.

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And I can't remember if

Transformers was Saturday.

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This probably was Saturday, too.

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And then there was, like,

gosh, I can't remember.

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It was, like, Silver,

Hawks, something like that.

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I mean, I was into a lot of

different Saturday morning shows.

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It looks like the, the ones

for this particular season some

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of the big ones was Snorks.

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I've heard of it, but I hadn't seen it.

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I'm pretty little.

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So Smurfs, of course.

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Awesome.

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Did you please tell me

you liked the Smurfs?

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I loved Smurfs.

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I was all over that.

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Yeah.

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Muppet babies, Alvin and the chipmunks.

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I remember really liking that.

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Theodore and Simon, Bugs

Bunny and the Roadrunner show.

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And then on Sundays, the Captain Kangaroo.

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I've never seen Captain Kangaroo.

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Have you?

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I never watched it.

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I heard, I, I heard of it like you,

but I definitely never watched it.

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Okay.

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And then midday, right up your alley

is there was a show just called Mr.

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T.

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I don't know if it was a cartoon

or if it was like a live action.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I didn't see that.

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Maybe, maybe it didn't last that long.

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I don't know.

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Well, that is the thing

in doing this show.

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I have learned that especially

cartoons, there, there were a lot of

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them that were run for one season.

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So I see.

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Yeah.

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Selling us toys and stuff.

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Also the incredible Hulk.

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I loved that show with Lou Ferrigno.

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Loved it.

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I watched it too.

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Most definitely.

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Definitely.

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I, I need to maybe try and find that.

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I have good memories of it.

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I wonder if it's actually good or not.

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You know what I mean?

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I'm not sure.

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It's good.

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Honestly, thinking back.

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I don't think it's good.

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I have to just I watched

some clips of it on YouTube.

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Not that long ago.

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And I was like, wow, this

isn't that great as an adult.

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That doesn't surprise me.

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I feel like that happens a fair

amount when I revisit things and then

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American Bandstand is another midday

show in like, around the early 80s.

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Did you watch that?

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I did watch that.

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Yeah, I was a big TV viewer.

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I mean, I couldn't get enough of

TV, you know, I really liked TV

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too, but I somehow missed American

bandstand or were you like more into

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wrestling at like around this time?

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All of it.

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I feel like most of this stuff I

was into like, but there's some

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of it like the hotel and this Mr.

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T I'm like, how did I miss that?

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Maybe it was just timing,

but it just came and went.

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But a lot of this stuff you're mentioning.

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I'm like, oh yeah, I was

definitely, I definitely watched it.

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Yeah.

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You know, at least a

couple of times for sure.

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So the top 10 billboards this

th,:

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Do you have any guesses

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So August,:

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It's from a movie.

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I'd be shocked if you got it, but.

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I thought maybe you'd have a guess.

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I have no clue.

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Literally no clue.

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Ghostbusters.

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Oh.

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From the Ghostbusters movie.

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It's wild that that song made it,

like, it's a number one billboard.

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How did that happen?

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Who was the artist?

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Was it like Roy Parker Jr.

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or something like that or?

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Ray Parker Jr.

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Ray Parker Jr.

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Yeah.

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Good memory.

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Good recall on that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But, I mean, I guess it was just

big, but the song is terrible.

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I mean, I don't know.

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It's a stupid song.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's nothing good about that song.

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It's just, it's great for the movie.

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Right.

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But why would it be number

one on the billboard?

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It's great.

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I feel like that happened

a lot in the 80s too.

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Tons of stuff from the movies made it.

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You know, kind of crossed into the top

music charts to like, how many Kenny

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Loggins songs were on the billboards?

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Perfect example.

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Good call Kenny Loggins.

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Yeah, I would never buy a Kenny

Loggins album ever, but you know, he

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sold like crazy amounts of albums.

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It's unbelievable how many albums he sold.

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Yeah, and it is from movies.

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Yeah, from movies.

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He had one, I think for over the top too.

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Oh, great.

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I just, we reviewed that movie.

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I know.

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I listened to it because I love it.

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I love it.

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Love that movie.

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Oh, it's so good.

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Okay.

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Before we go down that rabbit

hole, number two, number two this

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week was Prince's When Doves Cry.

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Love it.

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That's valid.

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State of Shock by the

Jacksons is number three.

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I can't picture what this is.

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Yes, you know, I, I know the name.

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I think I would have to, there's a

lot of bands during that time that

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I like didn't remember their, like

I hear the song and I'm like, who

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actually, what's the name of it?

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And it's wacky names of stuff, you know.

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Tina Turner's What's Love Got

To Do With It is number four.

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Oh my God, that song is so good.

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So good.

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Man, she just passed

away not that long ago.

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Yeah, like last month or so.

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Yeah, she was an icon.

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Huge of the, of the eighties and I did she

was one where, when I, I talked about in

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the 1981 episode with MTV being born, she

was one of those artists that really her

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career got a big resurgence by really you

know, taking hold of the, the video genre.

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And so in the eighties,

she got a big resurgence.

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Big with Mad Max too, I think, you

know, it was like another thing for

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Tina Turner and yeah, another hero.

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I mean, just, just some

big songs, you know,

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Elton John has the number

five song with sad songs.

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Oh, interesting.

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I don't know why I can't

picture that either.

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Then six is a stuck on

you by Lionel Richie.

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I was never a Lionel Richie fan.

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I don't know what it is about him.

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That just, that sound is funny.

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I'm going It isn't for me either.

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Honestly, my father in law literally

loves Lionel Richie and a weird story.

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He used to listen to it when he was

a truck driver and he used to listen

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to Ryan Lionel Richie all the time

during the truck drives, but I honestly

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didn't think he could sing that well.

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I know this sounds bad, but I

just, I'm like, I don't know.

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It's this, I never liked

dancing on the ceiling.

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I just, I just thought,

eh, it seems cheesy to me.

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We're, we're on the same page there.

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I think he's kind of an overrated artist.

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I agree.

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A lot of people will disagree

with that, but I, I never saw it.

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I never, but I do, I do see

Bruce Springsteen's dancing in

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the dark, which is number seven.

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He had, he was big in the early eighties.

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I feel like.

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Huge, huge.

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Born to Run was incredible.

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That, I think it's Dancing

in the Dark is the video with

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Courtney Cox coming up on stage.

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Like kind of the beginning of her career.

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Number nine is Infatuation by Rod Stewart.

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And number, yeah.

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Number 10 is Sunglasses

at Night by Corey Hart.

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I hate this song.

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I hate it.

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That's such a bad song,

but it's so catchy.

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It is.

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Like the music and stuff.

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It's bad though.

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Yeah, it is bad.

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It's, yeah.

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Catchy but bad.

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In a bad way.

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So that rounds out the music the

news and events for August of:

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There's a lot of Olympics stuff.

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So I think it was in Los Angeles,

LA, Los Angeles Olympics.

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So there's a fair number of records.

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Mary Lou Retton scores a 10 for her

final vault to win the individual

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all around competition in LA and

becomes the first American woman

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to win an Olympic gymnastics medal.

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Dude, really?

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Wow.

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Why did it take that long?

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I don't know.

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I didn't, I don't think I realized that.

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That's cool.

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Carl Lewis wins, he's all over

like he wins the 100 meter and 9.

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9 seconds, which is the first

of nine Olympic gold medals over

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three games in this same games.

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He also wins gold for long jump the

200 meter and the 4 by 100 meter relay.

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Carl Lewis.

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I actually remember in grade

school hearing about him.

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Yeah, I was a, I was a college track

and field athlete, so I know all

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about 84 Olympics was just amazing.

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And I remember thinking I mean, I

was really little, but I remember

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watching and thinking, man, what is

my, my parents love watching it too.

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And I was so pumped when it came

back to the United States in

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1996, which is another great year.

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I was just an incredible year.

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In Atlanta, and so I, I kind of always

have those bookends for me with that.

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I like that the Olympics, I feel, I

remember, I have vivid memories of

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it being such an event because there

wasn't so much, I guess there was only

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so many channels and this overtook

all of the like network channels.

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We were watching the Olympics

and it's not as big of a deal.

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It seems like now, yeah, I

think people are distracted.

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There's so many other things going

on and it's kind of sad because,

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you know, these are athletes who.

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Toy on obscurity pretty much for most

of the public and then this is their

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shot and it's really incredible.

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I mean, this past Olympics, I was

pumped to watch like skateboarding and

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surfing and all these different things.

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It's just, you know, getting exposed to

things you don't see, but it was big time.

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TV viewing in the 80s,

the Olympics gigantic.

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I really like the ice skating and the

gymnastics portions of the Olympics.

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Let's see.

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Also August of 1984 is Prince's Purple

Rain album goes number one and it

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stays there for guess how many weeks?

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Oh, 30 weeks.

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Close.

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24 weeks.

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That's crazy.

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That's actually, and one of

my favorite hours, half of the

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year, he was at number one.

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Yeah, that's, that's an incredible album.

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Love me some prints.

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Indeed.

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He's another huge icon.

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IBM also releases their PC DOS version 3.

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0 84 high tech, baby.

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High tech, high tech.

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Pete Rose returns to the Cincinnati

Reds as a player and manager.

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Are you a baseball fan?

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I was a huge baseball fan in the 80s not

anymore but I definitely remember that.

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And then obviously Pete knows is very,

Pete Rose is very much known for gambling

428

:

on baseball and never being accepted into

the baseball hall of fame, the whole deal.

429

:

So Pete Rose was very big

at one point in the news.

430

:

I remember hearing about that, but I

don't recall him as a baseball player.

431

:

I mean, I'm like 3 years old at this

time, but I, I, does that happen?

432

:

I, I guess I, the fact that he was a

player and manager seemed of significance.

433

:

It's very rare for something

like that to happen.

434

:

Yeah.

435

:

Richard Burton dies of a cerebral

hemorrhage at, he was only 58.

436

:

Also Truman Capote dies

of liver cancer at 59.

437

:

So those two, people died in August of 84.

438

:

And then, so Red Dawn, the movie

we're going to be covering was

439

:

the number three box office.

440

:

It was number three at the

box office for August of:

441

:

But some of the other really big

movie releases at the box office

442

:

was of course, Ghostbusters.

443

:

Yeah, purple rain.

444

:

I kind of forgot that was a movie.

445

:

I wasn't into that movie.

446

:

No, I didn't think it was very good.

447

:

Tight rope, which I

don't know what that is.

448

:

Do you know what tight rope?

449

:

What is that?

450

:

You're like, you have, you're like

the encyclopedia of eighties movies.

451

:

I thought maybe you'd know.

452

:

Yeah, I, I just that is,

I don't know what that is.

453

:

Who was in that?

454

:

I mean, yeah, I should have looked

at, I should have looked that

455

:

up, but it was the number four.

456

:

At the box office this month.

457

:

Wild.

458

:

Yeah.

459

:

The Karate Kid, which was

a great movie of the 80s.

460

:

Great movie.

461

:

Great movie.

462

:

And then we have, I think

maybe one of your favorite

463

:

movies, Revenge of the Nerds.

464

:

Oh my gosh.

465

:

I mean, it's, it's probably

my, my wife's favorite movie.

466

:

And she, that is baseballs.

467

:

Yeah.

468

:

Oh my gosh.

469

:

Like Revenge of the Nerds.

470

:

I mean, talk about, super classic movie.

471

:

I mean, I have clients that

still talk to me about that.

472

:

Like during our sessions, I quote,

that was a big movie quoter.

473

:

Like my mom always says, you and

your brother, you just quote eighties

474

:

movies and like stuff and movies.

475

:

I'm like, there's just so

many quotable lines for movies

476

:

in the eighties, especially.

477

:

Yeah.

478

:

Yeah.

479

:

Yeah.

480

:

Yeah.

481

:

I mean, and then rounding out

like the top is gremlins also.

482

:

So Augusta had some huge movies.

483

:

What a movie.

484

:

I mean, it, I mean, I'm mixed on how

the quality of the movie, but I remember

485

:

as a child, I enjoyed it, you know,

I think I rewatched it this Halloween

486

:

and I still thought it was pretty good.

487

:

I think I'm going to rewatch it.

488

:

Yeah, rewatch it.

489

:

Quite good.

490

:

Okay.

491

:

So.

492

:

Today's movie that we're going to

be covering is:

493

:

which features our Everyman.

494

:

So my first season, if you're

unaware, is about the Everymen,

495

:

Kurt, Russell, and Patrick Swayze.

496

:

Do you have any thoughts or

fandoms that you want to share

497

:

about either one of them?

498

:

Well, you know, I think that Patrick

Swayze, one, Definitely gone too soon.

499

:

I mean, I was a big Swayze fan.

500

:

Strangely enough, I

wasn't that into Ghost.

501

:

A lot of people love that movie.

502

:

I don't know, something about it

for me I wasn't that into, but

503

:

A lot of his catalog was great.

504

:

All the way up through To Wong Foo.

505

:

I mean, it's just like,

what range as an actor?

506

:

Just incredible range, a very serious

actor too, very serious and very athletic.

507

:

Like just could, could do

a lot of different things.

508

:

Tough, but also I think sensitive, kind

of the tough sensitive could be both.

509

:

That's why we love him.

510

:

That's why he has it.

511

:

Yes.

512

:

Yes.

513

:

Yes.

514

:

And Kurt Russell.

515

:

Amazing.

516

:

I mean, Kurt Russell has

done so many great movies.

517

:

Actually, I was just reading up about him.

518

:

Very interesting guy.

519

:

Very different type of guy.

520

:

Yeah.

521

:

But I just, I just, I can remember being

a little kid and watching big trouble and

522

:

little China that was really into that.

523

:

Me too.

524

:

Came from New York after the, I

mean, that was well before me,

525

:

but it's like, I watched that.

526

:

And I just thought it

was like another, like.

527

:

Tough guy, funny, funny too, could play

funny, could be like an overboard, could

528

:

be so funny, and endearing, and just,

just, I think two iconic actors of that

529

:

time, just super iconic, and Red Dawn, I

just think, is Swayze was amazing in that

530

:

and, and I probably, I think of interest

is, I think it was Charlie Sheen's for a

531

:

movie to maybe, or it was, yes, it was.

532

:

Yeah.

533

:

Yeah.

534

:

So I love how you teed up that,

that both Patrick and Kurt

535

:

are just like amazing actors.

536

:

Yes.

537

:

Do you think that they.

538

:

Resemble each other at all.

539

:

Not necessarily, but I have to

tell you, this is kind of weird.

540

:

My business partner for

one of my businesses looks

541

:

exactly like Kurt Russell.

542

:

I'm talking exactly.

543

:

He gets, he literally gets every

time someone meets and they go, you

544

:

literally look like Kurt Russell.

545

:

Like the eyes, the structure.

546

:

Is he married?

547

:

Can you fix me up?

548

:

No, I'm just kidding.

549

:

He is not married by the way.

550

:

He is single.

551

:

But he literally has like his eyes

and his structure like it's weird.

552

:

Oh, that it's very freaky.

553

:

Well, that's awesome.

554

:

First of all, like a real, like a

real person that looks so similar.

555

:

Yeah.

556

:

But you don't think they look like

yeah, you're men don't see it.

557

:

But I, I mean, I just think they have a

very similar look in their bone structure

558

:

and their hair and their builds and their

every man, every person kind of a way.

559

:

So, all right.

560

:

These are your guys.

561

:

I can sense there's an attraction there.

562

:

There's, these are, these

are, these are your guys.

563

:

Yeah, but I put them together for

more than, you know, I just, I do

564

:

think they both have that every

man quality and they're both like

565

:

very attractive, but not in a.

566

:

Intimidating way, you

know, I agree with that.

567

:

Actually, you know, I think with like

anybody for me Can I sit down and

568

:

have a fun conversation, have a beer

cocktail at this party, whatever.

569

:

Can I, can I, I feel like I could

with those two, like it'd be fun.

570

:

Like I could be in Roadhouse with

Patrick Swayze and I, he could

571

:

be there standing at the bar.

572

:

We could chat about whatever, you know,

same thing with Kurt Russell, you know?

573

:

Yep.

574

:

That's a good way of putting it.

575

:

Other guests have mentioned like the

having a beer quality with about them.

576

:

Yeah.

577

:

So awesome.

578

:

Well, we're about to get into the movie.

579

:

Let's let's get into Red Dawn.

580

:

Do you remember when you first saw it?

581

:

And then you just recently revisited it.

582

:

I, I would guess for sure.

583

:

I do remember watching it.

584

:

I don't remember like exact moment

in time when I, during that time.

585

:

I was like 6 or 7.

586

:

When that, when I came out, but I have a

very vivid memory of just like the school

587

:

you know, and then the beginning and

stuff and, and just the the intensity, I

588

:

think as an adult, that's what I remember.

589

:

I can verbalize now as an adult,

but not as a child, as like

590

:

the intensity of the movie.

591

:

I felt like the intensity.

592

:

And in many ways, it's a coming of age

film and a political film and a, and war.

593

:

But it's, it's, it's just like.

594

:

I remember like, wow, that would be weird.

595

:

Like, that would be really strange.

596

:

Yeah.

597

:

Yeah.

598

:

Intense is definitely fits it for sure.

599

:

And it's actually kind of

fitting that we're covering.

600

:

So listeners Darian has is a recently.

601

:

He's now a Coloradan and I am too.

602

:

And this movie is set in Colorado.

603

:

So it's kind of perfect

that we're talking about.

604

:

Yeah.

605

:

so As I mentioned, this was

th,:

606

:

It was rated PG 13, which was

actually, this is the first

607

:

movie to have that rating.

608

:

I didn't know that.

609

:

Yeah.

610

:

That is crazy.

611

:

First movie released with

the MPAA PG 13 rating.

612

:

Wow.

613

:

Yeah.

614

:

IMDb is a 6.

615

:

3.

616

:

The director is John Milius,

who's known for Apocalypse

617

:

Now and Conan the Barbarian.

618

:

And it totally makes sense.

619

:

This movie has a, it

has that feel for sure.

620

:

It really does.

621

:

Yeah.

622

:

And so John Milius he's

one of the writers.

623

:

On this, the other is Kevin

Reynolds, who directed Waterworld

624

:

and Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.

625

:

Wow.

626

:

Yeah, so he must be a Kevin Costner guy.

627

:

Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel

about those movies, honestly.

628

:

I remember, I do remember

really liking Robin Hood,

629

:

Prince of Thieves, 30 years, so.

630

:

Yeah.

631

:

You know, who knows.

632

:

So, the cast, we of course

have our Patrick Swayze.

633

:

That's right.

634

:

He's Jed Eckert, see Thomas

Howell plays Robert and they, there

635

:

were four people in this movie

that were also in The Outsiders.

636

:

I love the outsiders.

637

:

That was 83.

638

:

So just yeah, like a little while later.

639

:

See Thomas Howell obviously

was in the outsiders.

640

:

Leah Thompson plays Erica in this movie.

641

:

And as you mentioned, this is

Charlie Sheen's 1st role and he plays

642

:

Matt and he and Jed are brothers.

643

:

So Charlie Sheen and Patrick

Swayze are brothers in this movie.

644

:

Darren Dalton plays Daryl and

he was also in the outsiders.

645

:

He played 1 of the socials.

646

:

I don't know if you recognized him or not.

647

:

I did.

648

:

Yeah.

649

:

Yeah.

650

:

Jennifer Grey as Tony.

651

:

And so there's lots of little, little

whine Finding threads in this movie.

652

:

So obviously Patrick and Jennifer go

on to star together in dirty dancing.

653

:

And he, as I, yeah, I talked about

in the dirty dancing episode.

654

:

He really pushed for Jennifer to be in it,

even though she didn't like, they must not

655

:

have had the best time with each other.

656

:

They didn't like each other.

657

:

Yeah, no, I, I watched a

whole documentary on this.

658

:

It was very contentious the whole time.

659

:

And part of that is because

Patrick stayed in character.

660

:

As this militant leader of the teenage

group, so he acted sort of that way.

661

:

And then I also read that John Milius,

he gave the actors notes through

662

:

Patrick Swayze to, to give to the cast.

663

:

So Patrick said that didn't make him

very popular either, you know, getting

664

:

their direction directing notes.

665

:

Yeah let's see who else do we have here?

666

:

We have Brad Savage plays Danny.

667

:

He's not otherwise well known.

668

:

Same with Doug Tobey as Aardvark.

669

:

Ben Johnson plays Mr.

670

:

Mason and he apparently was

like kind of a big deal in the

671

:

stuntman and horse wrangling world.

672

:

And he was a double for stars, such as

John Wayne, Gary Cooper and James Stewart,

673

:

and he actually won a supporting he

won an Oscar for best supporting actor.

674

:

In 1971, the last picture show, I didn't

recognize him, so I'm not, yeah, I've,

675

:

I've not seen the last picture show.

676

:

So and then we have Harry Dean Stanton

who plays the Jed and Matt's brother, Mr.

677

:

Eckert.

678

:

He's super well known.

679

:

Let's see he was in pretty and

pink escape from New York alien,

680

:

the Avengers, the green mile.

681

:

And I most recently recognized

him from he's in the TV series.

682

:

Big love.

683

:

Did you watch that?

684

:

Oh, Big Love.

685

:

Yeah.

686

:

Yeah.

687

:

He was in that.

688

:

Then we have Ron O'Neill, who plays Bella.

689

:

He's best known for

Superfly, Powers Booth.

690

:

He's that colonel, the colonel, Air

Force colonel that gets shot down.

691

:

His name is Andy, but I don't

really remember them saying Andy.

692

:

He's kind of known for playing bad guys.

693

:

And so you all like

very much remember him.

694

:

He won an Emmy for playing

the cult leader, Jim Jones.

695

:

Oh, my gosh, that's amazing.

696

:

Yeah.

697

:

I wonder if it was that made for TV movie.

698

:

But yeah, I can't imagine yet.

699

:

I think it probably was.

700

:

I just don't remember him

doing that same different.

701

:

Yeah.

702

:

Wow.

703

:

Yeah, then Frank McRae, who I

remember looking this up and seeing

704

:

that he was in this movie and then.

705

:

Watching it and being like,

Oh, he's in it for like and I'm

706

:

like, Frank McRae's in that.

707

:

I'm like, he plays Mr.

708

:

Teasdale at the big, the

teacher at the beginning.

709

:

Okay.

710

:

And the reason that I know that

name so well is because he's been in

711

:

several Sylvester Stallone movies.

712

:

Including Rocky two.

713

:

So I think he used to be

a football player too.

714

:

If I, if I recall.

715

:

It's crazy the cast on this, like so

many vines and twisty turns of people.

716

:

You're like, what's that person's in this?

717

:

And then just incredible.

718

:

Indeed., The mood, the music was by,

I'm probably going to pronounce this

719

:

incorrectly, but Basel Poledouris.

720

:

He is, I guess, known for his

collaborations with John Milius.

721

:

So that makes sense as

well as Paul Verhoeven.

722

:

So for example, Conan the Barbarian

and Robocop, he also did those.

723

:

Oh, man, RoboCop, right?

724

:

Crazy.

725

:

In terms of how successful this was

box office, I mean, revenue wise,

726

:

I have 2 very different figures.

727

:

1 source says 78Million and

another source is 38Million.

728

:

So those are pretty, that's a

big difference, big difference.

729

:

And the, but on a 17Million dollar budget.

730

:

So either way it made.

731

:

It doubled its money at least,

but could potentially quadruple

732

:

depending on the source.

733

:

So if, if you listeners or viewers

have not seen Red Dawn, or if

734

:

it's been several decades, since

you've seen it here's a little

735

:

synopsis in the dawn of World War 3.

736

:

Soviet Nicaraguan and Cuban troops

begin landing on the football

737

:

field of a Colorado high school.

738

:

In a few seconds, the paratroopers

have attacked the school and sent a

739

:

group of teenagers fleeing into the

mountains armed only with hunting

740

:

rifles, pistols and bows and arrows.

741

:

The teen struggle to survive

the bitter winter and the Soviet

742

:

KGB patrols hunting for them.

743

:

Eventually, trouble arises

when they kill a group of.

744

:

Soviet soldiers on

patrol in the Highlands.

745

:

Soon they will wear wage their own

guerrilla warfare against the invading

746

:

Soviet troops under the banner of

the Wolverine, Wolverines, overall

747

:

thoughts or favorite scenes, like

what's your overall impression?

748

:

Oh, I'm going to tell you my favorite

scene right off the bat here is

749

:

towards the end, the end when they're

sitting on the things and you know,

750

:

oh, it's so sad and you can, it's like.

751

:

The enemy understood at that point.

752

:

It was like, okay, well, we

could kill these guys and

753

:

they just look at each other.

754

:

And I thought, I don't know why when I

was young that a younger child that really

755

:

hit me hard and as an adult now, I think.

756

:

This is kind of, this is what war

and the, the emotion of war and the

757

:

understanding on both sides that this is

terrible and there was some mercy there.

758

:

I just remember that so much.

759

:

Yeah, that's a really good call

that because they're going to die.

760

:

They both shot, but he's letting them go.

761

:

Bella, I think is the colonel's name

that lets them go die in peace together.

762

:

So right off the bat, spoiler alert.

763

:

That's, that's like the end Jed, Jed and

Jed and Matt die, but they're together.

764

:

Like they, yeah.

765

:

And the, that Colonel that lets them go,

the mercy, the mercy that he shows them.

766

:

He says, Via con Dios.

767

:

To them, and that is also what

Johnny Utah says to Patrick Swayze's

768

:

character in point break point break.

769

:

Oh, yeah, amazing.

770

:

But I think like that scene always hit me.

771

:

I think overall, my just general thoughts

about the movie, it was just, it felt

772

:

very different to me during that time.

773

:

I think so much of what I

was watching during that time

774

:

was not like that in depth.

775

:

There was like some serious

acting that was happening.

776

:

A lot of the eighties movies

are just kind of funny and dumb.

777

:

Mm-hmm.

778

:

and just kind of comedic.

779

:

And this was serious, this very

serious, this is a serious movie.

780

:

Yeah.

781

:

And I felt like the seriousness of it

was a refreshing take for that time

782

:

I felt like, of the opposite of the

excess and the wealth of those soap

783

:

operas we were just talking about.

784

:

Yes.

785

:

It was something really.

786

:

That grabbed me about it.

787

:

And there's others say I didn't like

the red Dawn remake just so everyone

788

:

knows I wasn't that into it, man.

789

:

I was going to ask you, I just watched it.

790

:

No, I didn't.

791

:

I was like, eh, it's just, I

don't like the reboots of things.

792

:

I'm just like, can we just

let it be what it was?

793

:

You know, I feel like everyone,

our age feels that same exact way.

794

:

We don't want reboots.

795

:

Yeah.

796

:

I don't want it at all.

797

:

No, I actually guessed it on a

show, another like 80s and 90s

798

:

centric show where the task was

to find a good 1 and we couldn't,

799

:

we don't think there is a good 1.

800

:

Yeah.

801

:

Yeah.

802

:

So we ended up finding things

that were made in the 80s that

803

:

were reboots of an older movie.

804

:

Yeah.

805

:

Yeah.

806

:

So it's crazy.

807

:

I very much.

808

:

So my last episode.

809

:

Was about overboard, which is set in 1987.

810

:

So we were talking about fashion

of the and hairstyles of 87.

811

:

So watching this again in the

early eighties, it was such a stark

812

:

difference to me to see how vastly

different the fashion and hair was

813

:

from the early to the late eighties.

814

:

Eighties was a crazy time for fashion.

815

:

I mean, it was just

like all over the place.

816

:

But I think you, a lot of the

fashion and hair was so represented

817

:

in movies and different characters.

818

:

I think different people like

wore that better than others.

819

:

But some people, I think their style

was really defined by the eighties.

820

:

Some people never left the eighties.

821

:

Let's just put it that way.

822

:

That's true.

823

:

Oh my God, that is so true.

824

:

Oh, by the way, I, this movie somehow

missed me, my three year old self

825

:

somehow missed this war torn movie.

826

:

I actually hadn't seen it until.

827

:

Yesterday.

828

:

Wow.

829

:

I know.

830

:

I'm not sure why.

831

:

I mean, that's a different take.

832

:

Yeah.

833

:

'cause watching it when I, I probably

ended up seeing it around seven, eight

834

:

years old right around that time.

835

:

And then watching it, I've watched it

a couple times throughout my life and

836

:

I was just like, man, this is serious.

837

:

I just kept thinking how serious this was.

838

:

And also just, just the

acting to me was excellent.

839

:

It was just so good.

840

:

And I just thought, man, this is

like, you would be scared like that.

841

:

Imagine you're a teenager and, you know,

these people are just paratrooping,

842

:

parachuting onto your, wherever you're at.

843

:

You know, you're in school.

844

:

I mean, it's insane.

845

:

High school.

846

:

The idea of it.

847

:

Yeah.

848

:

Yeah.

849

:

Yeah.

850

:

It was, it was kind of hard

for me to keep remembering.

851

:

Like these kids are like, they

form their own little army.

852

:

It's like a militia

almost, like, basically.

853

:

Yeah, and it's very Rambo esque.

854

:

I took note of very, very, like,

they're camouflaging and using bows

855

:

and arrows and drinking deer blood

and being up in the mountains.

856

:

Yes.

857

:

Like, it felt very Rambo y to me.

858

:

Yeah, you know, I can't remember.

859

:

Maybe this is terrible.

860

:

I can't remember where it was.

861

:

Was it supposed to take place

in Colorado in the film?

862

:

I can't remember.

863

:

Or was it somewhere else?

864

:

Cal, Calumet, Colorado is where it's set.

865

:

It was actually filmed

in New Mexico though.

866

:

But it is set in Colorado.

867

:

Yeah.

868

:

Yep.

869

:

I actually was going to ask you, I very

much took note of the Arapahoe forest sign

870

:

because I've been in Colorado for a while.

871

:

I noticed those things.

872

:

Also, there was a bumper

sticker, the native, which is

873

:

like a huge thing in Colorado.

874

:

It just is like a green bumper

sticker that says native.

875

:

Have you seen those around

now that you're here?

876

:

No, I haven't.

877

:

I have not seen that.

878

:

But I have to feel like I need to, even

after watching it recently again, I

879

:

feel like Like any movie, you always

learn something the more you watch it.

880

:

You do.

881

:

For that.

882

:

And I think I always kept thinking as a,

when I watched it when I was under 10,

883

:

I didn't have certain things I thought

about, but now I think about, like, how

884

:

did these guys figure this stuff out?

885

:

Like, how do they, it's this survivalism,

you know I mean, you're in high school

886

:

one second, the next year on the

mountains, it's like, okay, if it was me,

887

:

I would definitely, it wouldn't be good.

888

:

I'm telling you it would not be good.

889

:

No, I was thinking the same cause the

girls are like part of the militia,

890

:

like they're shooting automatic

rifles and grenades and like full on.

891

:

And I'm like, no, I would have, no, no.

892

:

I don't think so.

893

:

Yeah.

894

:

I've often joked with my friend group

that I would be the worst survivalist.

895

:

I'd be, I would offer myself up

to be eaten, like just shoot me.

896

:

And then you guys can like,

yeah, like in an apocalypse.

897

:

You're done early.

898

:

Katie, you're like, yeah,

just, yeah, I'm done.

899

:

I don't, I don't want

to live through that.

900

:

He was like, I'm not surviving,

I'm not going to be uncomfortable.

901

:

It's just, you know, this is a sacrifice.

902

:

Yeah, for sure.

903

:

But so because I hadn't seen this before

and I know it's a Milius film so I

904

:

shouldn't have been shocked, I guess.

905

:

But so first, like at first we're shown,

we like open with this like beautiful

906

:

picturesque, like quaint small town.

907

:

It's showing us this adorable,

small town mountain living.

908

:

But then we're like, immediately

hit with the violence, you know, so

909

:

I, at 1st, when I 1st, I was like,

oh, we're going to kind of ease in,

910

:

but nope, it hits you immediately.

911

:

Yeah, yeah, it's very quick.

912

:

That's that's what I thought the

suddenness of it from this high

913

:

school life boom, right into survival.

914

:

Yeah.

915

:

It's not like, you know.

916

:

Mr.

917

:

Teasdale sees the paratroopers

out to his classroom window.

918

:

He goes out to ask what, what

the heck is going on before

919

:

he can finish his sentence.

920

:

He gets shot.

921

:

And so that's, that's,

we're like, oh, wow.

922

:

Okay.

923

:

It's also one of these, I feel like

the 80s was very good at this, of

924

:

not telling you the whole story,

but you fill in the blanks yourself.

925

:

Because there's a big question of

World War III, how did they get here

926

:

undetected like this, you know, and

all this stuff, it's a different time.

927

:

Whereas like today's movies, I

think they want to give you a lot

928

:

of background, to a lot of stuff.

929

:

They want to explain to the viewer

like you're an idiot, that you

930

:

wouldn't know what was going on.

931

:

That is so true.

932

:

Do you, do you think we

are idiots now though?

933

:

Like, do you think we are dumber now?

934

:

Good question.

935

:

I mean do they have to spell

it out for us nowadays?

936

:

I don't think they have to, I just

think that like movies are so long

937

:

now that they're like, okay, these are

longer movies, so we'll add in a lot of

938

:

background, which I don't mind background

if the story, this is just me, if the

939

:

story is kind of more mythological, and

it has kind of this fantastical element,

940

:

I kind of like that, but sometimes it's

good just for you to imagine, Like what,

941

:

what happened here and I also think a lot

of 80s movies were not focused on sequels.

942

:

They were not focused on sequels.

943

:

It was like the effort was put into

this one movie and let's wrap it up.

944

:

Yes.

945

:

Which is better.

946

:

If it happens to warrant a

sequel, great, but don't plan.

947

:

Yeah.

948

:

Yeah.

949

:

You're that's a good call.

950

:

Yeah.

951

:

To kind of to your point

about filling in the blanks.

952

:

Like this, it's like, this

is like this alternate U.

953

:

S.

954

:

history.

955

:

Yes.

956

:

And for me, as a viewer now in 2023,

an alternate future, like, that's kind

957

:

of what the movie, what I saw the movie

being, you know, so it's like, because

958

:

we don't ever learn from our mistakes.

959

:

So yeah, like The propaganda over

the loudspeakers, reeducation

960

:

camps, using your friends and family

to, you know, become a spy and

961

:

give up your friends and family.

962

:

And let's see what else was there.

963

:

Oh, just like firing squads,

like making people do their

964

:

own squats, dig your own grave.

965

:

Yeah, so that's all in this movie.

966

:

There's a lot.

967

:

Yeah, there's definitely a lot.

968

:

And I feel like.

969

:

And you watch this movie and then

you think of current times, you

970

:

go, there's something strange about

this feeling about this movie.

971

:

Yeah, almost kind of like, not that

we're there or anything, but there's

972

:

enough chatter where you think,

why haven't we figured this out?

973

:

You know, I mean, I think,

listen, the idea of an invading

974

:

force invading the United States.

975

:

That's a very different idea, especially

also, here's another thing, what

976

:

happened in Ukraine and the whole point

is we don't want it to happen here.

977

:

We don't want it to happen here.

978

:

That's why we need to support them there.

979

:

You know what I mean?

980

:

Like, this very well could happen.

981

:

That's why it's so prescient.

982

:

But what's interesting

is if you think about.

983

:

The patriotism of this movie and

the connection is different than

984

:

the patriotism of today, right?

985

:

That patriotism of the eighties,

it was a patriot was in a lot

986

:

of movies in the eighties.

987

:

So like the idea of a patriot is

you don't talk bad about America.

988

:

We're all together about America.

989

:

Love America.

990

:

Everybody, no matter what you

think, we're all in this together.

991

:

We're Americans.

992

:

The patriotism of today is a silo.

993

:

Based on a patriotism.

994

:

It's very different.

995

:

Has nothing to do with that other.

996

:

No, it's, it's like kind

of the opposite now.

997

:

Yes.

998

:

Yeah.

999

:

It's opposite.

:

00:46:29,921 --> 00:46:30,271

Yeah.

:

00:46:30,281 --> 00:46:34,931

It's like, it's domestic

individualism in many ways, and

:

00:46:34,931 --> 00:46:36,951

it's not a United patriotism.

:

00:46:37,891 --> 00:46:39,771

It's extremist patriotism.

:

00:46:39,801 --> 00:46:41,531

Extreme, very extreme.

:

00:46:41,541 --> 00:46:43,071

That is something about the eighties.

:

00:46:43,091 --> 00:46:46,911

The eighties were very America.

:

00:46:47,271 --> 00:46:47,821

Yeah.

:

00:46:47,941 --> 00:46:48,961

But not like today.

:

00:46:49,181 --> 00:46:49,541

No.

:

00:46:49,571 --> 00:46:50,231

Yeah, no.

:

00:46:50,231 --> 00:46:50,981

Yeah, you're right.

:

00:46:50,981 --> 00:46:54,201

It has a, when somebody says that,

now it has a different feel to it.

:

00:46:54,551 --> 00:46:55,201

. Yeah, right.

:

00:46:55,271 --> 00:47:00,181

When somebody flew the flag in the

eighties, everybody felt connected to it.

:

00:47:00,391 --> 00:47:00,881

Proud, yeah.

:

00:47:01,201 --> 00:47:01,501

Yeah.

:

00:47:01,506 --> 00:47:01,951

About it.

:

00:47:02,251 --> 00:47:03,871

Every, not today, it's it.

:

00:47:03,961 --> 00:47:07,781

When someone does that or

someone has gigantic huge flag

:

00:47:07,781 --> 00:47:10,001

somewhere, your thoughts often go.

:

00:47:10,011 --> 00:47:11,171

Maybe not everyone.

:

00:47:11,171 --> 00:47:15,251

They often go to like extreme

patriotism, like extremist patriotism.

:

00:47:15,251 --> 00:47:16,641

That is crazy.

:

00:47:16,641 --> 00:47:17,901

Ideology and siloed.

:

00:47:18,351 --> 00:47:23,231

It doesn't, you don't think of America,

this country of land of liberty

:

00:47:23,231 --> 00:47:24,901

and, you know, the fruit of plant.

:

00:47:24,901 --> 00:47:27,211

You don't think of this

beautiful music in the song.

:

00:47:27,221 --> 00:47:33,701

You just think these are psychos like,

yeah, it's like we are the United

:

00:47:33,831 --> 00:47:38,371

States of America, but yeah, now

we're the divided States of America.

:

00:47:38,391 --> 00:47:39,581

It just, it's very different.

:

00:47:39,581 --> 00:47:41,811

Patriotism in the eighties,

so much different.

:

00:47:41,811 --> 00:47:44,941

And this movie, I think kind

of personified that very much.

:

00:47:44,981 --> 00:47:48,621

I actually took note of

yet another bumper sticker.

:

00:47:49,111 --> 00:47:53,301

That and I think this is very Melia.

:

00:47:53,341 --> 00:47:54,461

See it.

:

00:47:54,481 --> 00:47:58,411

There was a bumper sticker on somebody's

car that says you can take my gun when

:

00:47:58,411 --> 00:48:00,421

you pry it from my cold dead hand.

:

00:48:00,511 --> 00:48:01,071

Yeah.

:

00:48:01,161 --> 00:48:06,411

And that's literally what happened the

Russian guy, like, the guy was dead.

:

00:48:06,421 --> 00:48:07,931

He killed him and took his gun.

:

00:48:08,731 --> 00:48:09,011

Yeah.

:

00:48:10,301 --> 00:48:10,691

Yeah.

:

00:48:10,741 --> 00:48:12,901

I took a special note of that.

:

00:48:14,081 --> 00:48:18,101

I thought that was very interesting,

but then I got to say, like, it was so

:

00:48:18,101 --> 00:48:23,941

scary and like this in this invasion

and there's reeducation camps and

:

00:48:23,941 --> 00:48:29,811

people are being shot, but then I guess

the 1, there's 2 areas where I had a

:

00:48:29,811 --> 00:48:34,901

hard time wrapping my head around 1 is

that they seem to come and go freely

:

00:48:34,901 --> 00:48:39,581

from those, the Mason household where

they're like, get the, that's the.

:

00:48:40,221 --> 00:48:41,481

That's where the girls come from.

:

00:48:41,481 --> 00:48:44,011

They're the granddaughters are

being hidden and they kind of

:

00:48:44,011 --> 00:48:50,801

keep them in the loop about what's

happening in the occupied area, give

:

00:48:50,801 --> 00:48:52,831

them food and weapons and stuff.

:

00:48:53,161 --> 00:48:55,771

They seem to just kind of go

back and forth with no problem

:

00:48:55,781 --> 00:48:57,171

from that Mason's house.

:

00:48:58,261 --> 00:49:02,671

And also they have like a

leisurely talk with their dad.

:

00:49:02,946 --> 00:49:09,246

Through the fence at that, like, there was

no, I didn't feel like a sense of danger

:

00:49:09,256 --> 00:49:14,916

urgency somehow in those 2 situations,

which I feel like there would be.

:

00:49:14,986 --> 00:49:16,566

What did you have any thoughts about that?

:

00:49:16,576 --> 00:49:18,326

No, I felt I felt very similar about it.

:

00:49:18,326 --> 00:49:19,776

There were some questionable things.

:

00:49:19,776 --> 00:49:20,336

I thought.

:

00:49:20,966 --> 00:49:22,836

Which actually happens

in a lot of 80s movies.

:

00:49:22,836 --> 00:49:24,456

You're like, Oh, that's true.

:

00:49:26,496 --> 00:49:27,046

It wasn't.

:

00:49:27,776 --> 00:49:28,326

Yeah.

:

00:49:28,556 --> 00:49:30,386

I think that just

happens a lot in the 80s.

:

00:49:30,386 --> 00:49:33,786

And I was like, I chalked it up now

to like, Oh, this is an 80s thing.

:

00:49:34,096 --> 00:49:37,036

This is, Hey, we have

a limited runtime here.

:

00:49:37,046 --> 00:49:38,756

We're going to skim

through some of this stuff.

:

00:49:39,136 --> 00:49:42,866

You know, it's like, but also think

it could also be part of the, Yeah.

:

00:49:44,076 --> 00:49:47,836

The invasion part two, I think

invaders and anything are not

:

00:49:47,846 --> 00:49:50,806

also not always well run too.

:

00:49:51,606 --> 00:49:57,206

And I think that that is a theme that

not always like, okay, this invasion

:

00:49:57,216 --> 00:50:00,846

happens, whatever it is, sci fi alien

invasion, you think in your mind

:

00:50:00,846 --> 00:50:03,206

or people invasion, human invasion.

:

00:50:03,216 --> 00:50:05,126

It's not always as well oiled machine.

:

00:50:05,136 --> 00:50:06,726

There's a lot of things that are just.

:

00:50:07,236 --> 00:50:08,166

Not well done.

:

00:50:08,596 --> 00:50:11,536

So I think if I wanted to

argue that, I guess I could

:

00:50:11,536 --> 00:50:12,786

say, well, that's part of it.

:

00:50:12,846 --> 00:50:14,096

I just think it's an 80s thing.

:

00:50:15,756 --> 00:50:17,806

That's a good way of

explaining it for sure.

:

00:50:18,306 --> 00:50:18,576

Yeah.

:

00:50:20,206 --> 00:50:21,286

Jennifer gray.

:

00:50:21,646 --> 00:50:25,106

So I always was hearing about her

in this movie because she was also

:

00:50:25,106 --> 00:50:26,206

in dirty dancing with Patrick.

:

00:50:26,606 --> 00:50:28,096

Yeah, we don't see much of her.

:

00:50:28,526 --> 00:50:29,296

In the movie.

:

00:50:30,086 --> 00:50:30,546

Not at all.

:

00:50:31,026 --> 00:50:32,226

She plays Tony.

:

00:50:32,776 --> 00:50:33,906

She looks identical.

:

00:50:33,956 --> 00:50:37,846

I did note, so this is 83 Dirty

Dancing, or this is 84, I'm sorry.

:

00:50:38,126 --> 00:50:39,346

Dirty Dancing is 87.

:

00:50:39,386 --> 00:50:42,036

I thought she looked

identical, especially her hair.

:

00:50:42,136 --> 00:50:43,016

Like she's the same.

:

00:50:43,016 --> 00:50:44,656

I thought the hair was exactly the same.

:

00:50:44,656 --> 00:50:44,936

Yeah.

:

00:50:44,936 --> 00:50:49,096

It's that kind of like curly hair deal

that she had and then she's all dirty

:

00:50:49,096 --> 00:50:52,076

and stuff and they were all like out

there and I was like, this just seems

:

00:50:52,076 --> 00:50:56,676

like, if you watch those movies together,

which I've done before, you're like, oh.

:

00:50:56,981 --> 00:51:02,061

This could be like her just moving from

one set to the next, you know, yeah

:

00:51:03,661 --> 00:51:14,111

talking about patriotism but I have

this weird, like of the Soviet national

:

00:51:14,111 --> 00:51:18,701

anthem, the Soviet national anthem,

it's pretty, actually it is, and so I

:

00:51:18,701 --> 00:51:24,431

recognized it in this movie immediately

because of my bazillion viewings of

:

00:51:24,431 --> 00:51:27,041

Rocky four, of course, it's beautiful.

:

00:51:27,261 --> 00:51:30,941

It really is a good songs, but I'm like,

Oh, I feel like I shouldn't like it.

:

00:51:30,941 --> 00:51:35,531

You know, I think it's just being

objective about, you know, like, okay.

:

00:51:35,531 --> 00:51:37,291

Like the melodies and things.

:

00:51:37,291 --> 00:51:40,391

I don't know the lyrics, but

yeah, it's sweeping and beautiful.

:

00:51:40,721 --> 00:51:47,121

And and actually in Rocky four, it adds

a lot of beauty and intensity to the

:

00:51:47,921 --> 00:51:52,741

when they're there and Drago and Rocky,

and it's like this soaring, like boom

:

00:51:52,771 --> 00:51:55,031

thing, you know, like incredible actually.

:

00:51:55,311 --> 00:51:55,491

Yeah.

:

00:51:55,491 --> 00:51:56,351

It's very effective.

:

00:51:56,956 --> 00:51:57,326

Yeah.

:

00:51:57,376 --> 00:51:57,736

Yeah.

:

00:51:58,126 --> 00:52:03,136

I don't think it makes you less of

a Patriot or whatever it is today.

:

00:52:03,536 --> 00:52:07,626

I mean, it's just I don't know now.

:

00:52:07,646 --> 00:52:11,836

I don't know if it was just the way that

I watched it, but the, when they were

:

00:52:11,836 --> 00:52:16,426

speaking, I didn't have subtitles when

they were speaking Russian or Spanish.

:

00:52:16,426 --> 00:52:17,516

Did you, when you watch it?

:

00:52:17,546 --> 00:52:18,646

No, no.

:

00:52:18,976 --> 00:52:19,476

Okay.

:

00:52:20,256 --> 00:52:22,696

I didn't know if that was

just the version I had.

:

00:52:22,746 --> 00:52:24,876

So that that's really interesting then.

:

00:52:25,411 --> 00:52:30,781

People didn't, we don't, unless you

speak Russian and Spanish, there

:

00:52:30,781 --> 00:52:35,551

were several actual conversations,

not just a few words, but actual

:

00:52:35,681 --> 00:52:38,541

conversations in a foreign language

that were not subtitled for us.

:

00:52:39,321 --> 00:52:39,581

Would you think of that?

:

00:52:39,581 --> 00:52:40,901

I actually kind of like it that way.

:

00:52:40,961 --> 00:52:41,901

I like it that way.

:

00:52:42,031 --> 00:52:42,351

Okay.

:

00:52:42,351 --> 00:52:45,891

Because if you want it to be

reality, the people there would

:

00:52:45,891 --> 00:52:47,261

not know what they're saying.

:

00:52:47,451 --> 00:52:48,211

Really good point.

:

00:52:48,221 --> 00:52:49,711

And so for the audience...

:

00:52:50,516 --> 00:52:54,106

If you want to really make it feel

like you're there and be immersed

:

00:52:54,106 --> 00:52:55,686

into it, you wouldn't know either.

:

00:52:56,076 --> 00:52:59,136

So, knowing it almost means

that you have a different...

:

00:53:00,016 --> 00:53:04,426

More intimate point of view than the

actors did or whoever, you know, I just

:

00:53:04,596 --> 00:53:05,956

man, I want to be where they're at.

:

00:53:06,006 --> 00:53:07,636

I want to experience their version of it.

:

00:53:07,646 --> 00:53:11,106

And so not knowing it, I didn't, I never

wanted to have that stuff on there.

:

00:53:12,756 --> 00:53:14,436

Yeah, I really like that take.

:

00:53:14,956 --> 00:53:15,486

Good point.

:

00:53:17,356 --> 00:53:18,796

I get some good ones every now and then.

:

00:53:18,926 --> 00:53:20,806

Yeah, no, you're pretty solid.

:

00:53:23,086 --> 00:53:27,346

The plaque at the end, I, I don't

know, I'm, the ending, like the very

:

00:53:27,346 --> 00:53:29,556

end, I'm not sure what I wanted.

:

00:53:30,926 --> 00:53:35,276

So, at the very end again, spoiler alert,

Erica and Danny are the only ones that.

:

00:53:36,496 --> 00:53:38,666

Make it to the free zone.

:

00:53:38,976 --> 00:53:39,376

Yeah.

:

00:53:39,586 --> 00:53:43,036

And then they learn that

America, that we won the war.

:

00:53:43,926 --> 00:53:47,686

And there's a plaque about their

little teenage, how their little

:

00:53:47,686 --> 00:53:50,376

teenage army helped win the war.

:

00:53:50,376 --> 00:53:52,356

And that's kind of how the movie ends.

:

00:53:53,816 --> 00:53:55,086

What are your thoughts about that?

:

00:53:55,576 --> 00:53:56,981

I, you know, I wasn't that into it.

:

00:53:58,591 --> 00:53:59,341

There's something about it.

:

00:53:59,341 --> 00:54:00,691

I, I don't know.

:

00:54:01,281 --> 00:54:06,501

I feel like also too, like the eighties

was everything about this is another,

:

00:54:06,531 --> 00:54:10,471

this is a big patriotism talk, but

like this turning into but I feel

:

00:54:10,471 --> 00:54:12,501

like it was like America always wins.

:

00:54:12,501 --> 00:54:14,871

We're the best yada, yada, yada.

:

00:54:14,871 --> 00:54:17,991

And I think sometimes a movie

can be really effective when

:

00:54:17,991 --> 00:54:19,781

it doesn't play to that.

:

00:54:20,521 --> 00:54:20,871

Thing.

:

00:54:20,871 --> 00:54:23,701

I'm sure maybe if they did focus

testing, all that, maybe that.

:

00:54:24,111 --> 00:54:25,371

You know, maybe they thought about it.

:

00:54:25,391 --> 00:54:28,131

Maybe this is something research,

but actually may have been

:

00:54:28,131 --> 00:54:30,151

more effective if America lost.

:

00:54:30,671 --> 00:54:36,581

Oh, God, that would have been probably

more realistic to like, way darker.

:

00:54:36,581 --> 00:54:37,761

I, I have darker.

:

00:54:37,761 --> 00:54:38,441

Yeah.

:

00:54:38,711 --> 00:54:40,851

Although apocalypse now is super dark.

:

00:54:40,911 --> 00:54:42,711

So, yeah, yeah.

:

00:54:43,321 --> 00:54:44,051

I don't know.

:

00:54:44,501 --> 00:54:47,821

I just think I've been like, maybe

more effective, but I mean, maybe

:

00:54:47,821 --> 00:54:51,591

audiences would have hated it because,

you know, especially it's like America

:

00:54:51,591 --> 00:54:55,581

wins where the, where everything,

you know, but I think sometimes, even

:

00:54:55,581 --> 00:54:57,361

though I may not like that ending.

:

00:54:57,831 --> 00:55:01,091

Personally, I may not like that ending,

but I think it may have been more

:

00:55:01,091 --> 00:55:06,571

jarring much like in the movie this

not 80s, a bit like mystic river.

:

00:55:07,051 --> 00:55:11,571

Like in Sean Penn's character, like at the

ends at the parade and he's just smiling

:

00:55:11,571 --> 00:55:13,411

and it's like, you want him to get caught.

:

00:55:13,411 --> 00:55:14,441

Why didn't he get caught?

:

00:55:14,461 --> 00:55:18,111

And that's that angst at the end,

even though I didn't like the ending,

:

00:55:18,671 --> 00:55:22,641

it actually was, at least it was

a different take better on better.

:

00:55:22,641 --> 00:55:25,281

It was like, Hey, not everyone

gets caught all the time.

:

00:55:25,901 --> 00:55:29,531

And I think in this, like you went

really dark with the whole invasion and

:

00:55:29,531 --> 00:55:31,461

stuff, but what if America didn't win?

:

00:55:32,051 --> 00:55:34,541

I mean, it's just an, it's an

alternate reality as it is.

:

00:55:34,541 --> 00:55:35,981

Why don't you just follow it through?

:

00:55:36,181 --> 00:55:38,861

Yeah, I, I, there was something about it.

:

00:55:38,861 --> 00:55:41,121

I, I couldn't quite place.

:

00:55:42,251 --> 00:55:45,051

What it was that I didn't like it,

but I like your idea of yeah, this

:

00:55:45,051 --> 00:55:46,471

whole thing is an alternate reality.

:

00:55:46,481 --> 00:55:46,971

Anyway.

:

00:55:46,981 --> 00:55:47,311

Yeah.

:

00:55:47,551 --> 00:55:53,551

So I have a feeling though that

they did test it because I read

:

00:55:53,551 --> 00:55:56,731

in some trivia, there were some

other areas where they tested and

:

00:55:56,731 --> 00:55:59,171

changed it based on test audiences.

:

00:55:59,191 --> 00:56:02,771

So I wonder if that's probably what

happened, Hollywood, Hollywooded it up.

:

00:56:03,141 --> 00:56:04,621

You know, I think that's what it is.

:

00:56:04,631 --> 00:56:07,761

And I think that's one of the

biggest problems with current movies.

:

00:56:07,771 --> 00:56:08,621

Is that one?

:

00:56:08,621 --> 00:56:14,271

There's no original ideas to you

I think the the movie studios have

:

00:56:14,281 --> 00:56:18,971

too much input and the executives

to the you know The tone they

:

00:56:18,971 --> 00:56:21,201

over usurp the directors too much.

:

00:56:21,231 --> 00:56:23,881

It seems like and then you

get this very bad product.

:

00:56:24,651 --> 00:56:29,046

Yeah, it's funny though because

it's like They're not the changes.

:

00:56:29,236 --> 00:56:33,556

What they're doing is to make it more

profitable, not necessarily better.

:

00:56:33,726 --> 00:56:36,606

And it shows it shows.

:

00:56:36,886 --> 00:56:37,386

Yeah.

:

00:56:37,986 --> 00:56:38,336

Yeah.

:

00:56:38,346 --> 00:56:41,436

I mean, I I've never turned

off more movies in my life than

:

00:56:41,436 --> 00:56:43,266

I have in this past decade.

:

00:56:43,306 --> 00:56:43,646

Yeah.

:

00:56:43,716 --> 00:56:44,136

Agree.

:

00:56:44,146 --> 00:56:47,636

This I like, but the eighties, that

was never, never a thing for me.

:

00:56:47,646 --> 00:56:52,256

Everything was like almost very

individual, lots of original programming.

:

00:56:52,751 --> 00:56:57,411

And just even if it was just the

movie kind of bombed, it ended up

:

00:56:57,411 --> 00:57:00,371

becoming a cult classic later later on.

:

00:57:00,371 --> 00:57:04,441

Yeah, it's like I guess from the studio's

mind, they're like, we don't care

:

00:57:04,441 --> 00:57:06,021

that it became a cult classic later.

:

00:57:06,021 --> 00:57:07,391

Like we need our money now.

:

00:57:07,401 --> 00:57:07,981

We've got.

:

00:57:09,416 --> 00:57:11,176

Shareholders, blah, blah, blah.

:

00:57:11,196 --> 00:57:11,886

Yes.

:

00:57:11,986 --> 00:57:12,246

Yes.

:

00:57:12,256 --> 00:57:16,466

That's the problem now is that most

movies to me are just social media posts.

:

00:57:17,076 --> 00:57:19,476

They're just, they're not

even like good movies.

:

00:57:19,486 --> 00:57:21,406

They're just like, well, we

just put it out, you know?

:

00:57:21,406 --> 00:57:24,086

And and if this makes us a

lot of money, we're going to

:

00:57:24,086 --> 00:57:25,366

do two or three more of them.

:

00:57:25,396 --> 00:57:25,936

Oh yeah.

:

00:57:25,946 --> 00:57:30,906

I mean, how many fast

10, 11, 12 or something.

:

00:57:31,276 --> 00:57:31,566

It's like.

:

00:57:32,671 --> 00:57:36,391

And you can just tell it's made,

like, this sounds bad, I love

:

00:57:36,391 --> 00:57:39,611

Sylvester Stallone, and talk

about the 80s, I mean amazing.

:

00:57:40,231 --> 00:57:43,961

But there's another Expendables movie

coming out, I just saw the trailer,

:

00:57:43,961 --> 00:57:46,011

I'm like, this is clearly for money.

:

00:57:46,361 --> 00:57:47,911

Like, this is terrible.

:

00:57:48,381 --> 00:57:51,291

Well, I don't think he's

in it very much either.

:

00:57:51,671 --> 00:57:52,401

Oh, really?

:

00:57:52,401 --> 00:57:55,491

Yeah, I think he's passing the

torch to Jason Statham, from

:

00:57:55,491 --> 00:57:57,121

the sounds of it, in this movie.

:

00:57:57,581 --> 00:57:58,221

So...

:

00:57:58,976 --> 00:58:05,866

Yeah, I mean, he is 77 years old, but

still, man, it's not just like franchises

:

00:58:05,866 --> 00:58:11,976

don't need to be 20 pictures, you know,

I was like, they don't, they don't, but

:

00:58:11,976 --> 00:58:19,046

like there, but I will defend there being

six Rockies till, till I die different,

:

00:58:19,046 --> 00:58:22,446

you know, I mean, I feel like it's a bit

different because here's the thing weird

:

00:58:22,446 --> 00:58:28,091

thing with sly though, is like, Great

script writer and, and the Rocky movies

:

00:58:28,091 --> 00:58:32,791

were all about heart and emotion that

happened to have boxing in them for that.

:

00:58:33,061 --> 00:58:35,261

And something has turned

with this Expendables.

:

00:58:35,291 --> 00:58:37,211

There's no part of that in that writing.

:

00:58:37,271 --> 00:58:38,281

I don't know what it is.

:

00:58:38,671 --> 00:58:41,831

It's kind of like if somebody, we

talked about all these albums that

:

00:58:41,831 --> 00:58:44,101

came out and things during the 80s.

:

00:58:44,511 --> 00:58:46,531

And I was just talking to my

wife about this other night.

:

00:58:47,306 --> 00:58:51,466

What happens when someone becomes super

rich, a big time celebrity, and their work

:

00:58:51,466 --> 00:58:53,506

starts suffering later in their career?

:

00:58:53,946 --> 00:58:59,306

It's like, well, okay, when you write

Rambo and Rocky, you're trying to get on.

:

00:58:59,316 --> 00:59:05,076

You're so hungry to become noticed, and

you, you, you pen your greatest work.

:

00:59:05,486 --> 00:59:08,246

But once you become wealthy and you

have all these things, you have no

:

00:59:08,286 --> 00:59:12,576

trappings, like mostly everything's

taken care of, what do you write about?

:

00:59:13,226 --> 00:59:14,346

What do you produce?

:

00:59:14,346 --> 00:59:17,962

can happen to a writer

becomes civilized, right?

:

00:59:18,002 --> 00:59:22,202

That's actually the worst thing that can

happen to a fighter is you become right.

:

00:59:22,232 --> 00:59:26,352

That's from Rocky three, but yeah,

I mean, the same applies, right?

:

00:59:26,752 --> 00:59:30,232

Like they get very comfortable with

where they are and then they got it.

:

00:59:30,232 --> 00:59:35,332

Oh, I got to maintain this

level of wealth and lifestyle.

:

00:59:35,362 --> 00:59:37,672

And they're not hungry anymore.

:

00:59:37,682 --> 00:59:38,512

They're not hungry.

:

00:59:38,512 --> 00:59:41,062

So you don't make movies

that have a lot of substance.

:

00:59:41,737 --> 00:59:46,047

And then, so it's like, so then

they reboot Red Dawn, which

:

00:59:46,047 --> 00:59:47,067

we're talking about mm-hmm.

:

00:59:47,517 --> 00:59:50,877

and they put in, okay, let's

put Miles Teller in this role.

:

00:59:50,877 --> 00:59:55,607

He's Charlie Sheen's role, and let's put

Chris Hemsworth and Patrick Swayze's role.

:

00:59:55,607 --> 00:59:57,377

And it just, the juice is not there.

:

00:59:57,817 --> 00:59:58,027

Not, no.

:

00:59:58,027 --> 00:59:59,617

And those are both really good actors.

:

00:59:59,617 --> 01:00:00,857

Like I, I like both of them.

:

01:00:01,497 --> 01:00:07,397

But I have zero desire to

see the:

:

01:00:08,687 --> 01:00:09,637

Don't watch it.

:

01:00:09,637 --> 01:00:10,627

It'll disappoint you.

:

01:00:10,667 --> 01:00:11,507

I promise you.

:

01:00:12,027 --> 01:00:17,547

No and it's funny, not funny, but the

last, let's see, I've had this discussion

:

01:00:17,547 --> 01:00:22,547

with almost every episode that, so there's

a Dirty Dancing reboot in the works?

:

01:00:22,917 --> 01:00:23,297

No.

:

01:00:23,737 --> 01:00:24,667

There's a, yeah.

:

01:00:24,817 --> 01:00:29,647

Not a reboot, but like a sequel,

which maybe wouldn't be as bad.

:

01:00:30,327 --> 01:00:32,877

There's Roadhouse is coming

out sometime this year.

:

01:00:33,777 --> 01:00:37,777

There was a, there was

a point breaks reboot.

:

01:00:37,897 --> 01:00:41,397

Yeah, there was an overboard remake.

:

01:00:41,567 --> 01:00:43,247

There was this red Don one.

:

01:00:43,247 --> 01:00:43,537

Let's see.

:

01:00:43,537 --> 01:00:46,657

I feel like I'm probably forgetting

1, but like they've Oh, there was

:

01:00:46,667 --> 01:00:49,417

like a sequel to even backtrack

and they're all terrible.

:

01:00:49,427 --> 01:00:51,877

Oh, all of the 2nd versions were awful.

:

01:00:53,002 --> 01:00:54,532

I love Backdraft too.

:

01:00:54,712 --> 01:00:56,532

I never want, I love Backdraft.

:

01:00:56,542 --> 01:00:57,142

So good.

:

01:00:57,412 --> 01:01:00,342

That was one of my first episodes,

like the fourth one, maybe.

:

01:01:00,812 --> 01:01:03,292

So, yeah, all these remakes.

:

01:01:04,592 --> 01:01:08,442

I always think it's a problem, you know,

as Red Dawn is like stands on its own.

:

01:01:09,032 --> 01:01:13,052

And it's, it's one of those

movies that is both violent

:

01:01:13,162 --> 01:01:15,102

and poignant at the same time.

:

01:01:15,932 --> 01:01:16,422

Yeah.

:

01:01:16,612 --> 01:01:16,942

Yeah.

:

01:01:16,942 --> 01:01:18,172

That's Milius, I think.

:

01:01:18,787 --> 01:01:20,617

Yeah, that's his like jam.

:

01:01:21,707 --> 01:01:22,327

I did.

:

01:01:22,377 --> 01:01:24,147

So there's a fair amount of trivia.

:

01:01:24,177 --> 01:01:26,677

So the point that we were

just talking about too.

:

01:01:27,417 --> 01:01:33,527

I also very much appreciate real

graphics and this, this film contains

:

01:01:33,577 --> 01:01:37,797

no computer graphic effects, chroma

key composites or miniatures.

:

01:01:37,927 --> 01:01:41,097

All of the explosions

are real and actual size.

:

01:01:42,062 --> 01:01:43,262

That is amazing.

:

01:01:43,432 --> 01:01:47,102

And my co host on Arbiters of Bad Taste.

:

01:01:47,152 --> 01:01:49,802

This is a huge, huge pet peeve of his.

:

01:01:49,802 --> 01:01:51,992

He can't stand all the

CGI and all the movies.

:

01:01:51,992 --> 01:01:52,282

Same.

:

01:01:52,672 --> 01:01:52,852

I hate it.

:

01:01:52,882 --> 01:01:55,152

And I feel the same about it.

:

01:01:55,507 --> 01:01:57,507

It's one thing I love

about Christopher Nolan.

:

01:01:57,507 --> 01:02:01,977

He does, he blows up real stuff in

movies and he's very big into that.

:

01:02:02,577 --> 01:02:06,507

And there's something about

feeling like, man, they actually,

:

01:02:06,507 --> 01:02:08,097

it's actually cold out there.

:

01:02:08,137 --> 01:02:11,667

Like we reviewed the movie wind

river, and that was one of the biggest

:

01:02:11,677 --> 01:02:16,647

things for us was like, they look

cold, like it's actually cold there.

:

01:02:17,127 --> 01:02:22,687

It's and it makes it, I think it elevates

the acting when the actors are actually

:

01:02:22,687 --> 01:02:24,607

in the elements and they feel cold.

:

01:02:25,827 --> 01:02:26,347

I don't know.

:

01:02:26,347 --> 01:02:29,207

I'm sure they're not hungry, but

you make them a little hungry.

:

01:02:29,207 --> 01:02:31,027

Maybe it's something a good actor can.

:

01:02:31,037 --> 01:02:31,517

Yeah.

:

01:02:32,007 --> 01:02:37,447

Well, something, you know, the cold,

apparently this was super cold.

:

01:02:37,537 --> 01:02:41,177

Patrick Swayze got frostbite

during filming of this movie.

:

01:02:42,422 --> 01:02:45,552

He's a few years after this, he said

it still felt like someone shoving

:

01:02:45,562 --> 01:02:50,402

toothpick toothpicks up his fingernails

when he got too cold because he, yeah,

:

01:02:50,802 --> 01:02:55,832

so freezing temperatures often well

below zero Fahrenheit and for the

:

01:02:55,832 --> 01:02:59,402

rest of the world, that's negative,

like negative 18 Celsius, 17.

:

01:03:00,102 --> 01:03:05,172

7, even dipping to negative 30 at times.

:

01:03:05,232 --> 01:03:06,362

So it was very cold.

:

01:03:07,137 --> 01:03:08,797

And that is impressive.

:

01:03:10,547 --> 01:03:11,027

Wow.

:

01:03:11,457 --> 01:03:12,667

I'm really impressed by that.

:

01:03:13,977 --> 01:03:14,627

I know.

:

01:03:14,667 --> 01:03:15,117

I don't know.

:

01:03:15,127 --> 01:03:18,547

But Leah Thompson said that this was the

best time that she's ever had on a movie.

:

01:03:18,577 --> 01:03:22,477

So despite it's being very cold,

she had a blast making even better

:

01:03:22,477 --> 01:03:24,017

Leah than back to the future.

:

01:03:24,047 --> 01:03:24,707

I mean, come on.

:

01:03:24,707 --> 01:03:24,927

Yeah.

:

01:03:26,392 --> 01:03:27,962

I guess maybe.

:

01:03:28,162 --> 01:03:28,772

Yeah.

:

01:03:29,432 --> 01:03:30,342

I don't know, man.

:

01:03:31,932 --> 01:03:36,122

The violence made the Guinness

book of world records.

:

01:03:38,012 --> 01:03:41,022

Most acts of violence in

any film up to that time.

:

01:03:41,082 --> 01:03:45,802

It's perhaps surpassed now, but

up up until:

:

01:03:45,802 --> 01:03:51,012

their calculations, 135 acts of

violence per hour, which is 2.

:

01:03:51,072 --> 01:03:52,962

23 per minute.

:

01:03:53,557 --> 01:03:55,057

Did you feel like it felt like that?

:

01:03:55,427 --> 01:03:55,817

No.

:

01:03:56,047 --> 01:03:56,777

I didn't either.

:

01:03:56,787 --> 01:03:57,447

Definitely not.

:

01:03:57,507 --> 01:04:00,057

But I think John Wick has that

beat in the first 10 minutes.

:

01:04:00,717 --> 01:04:01,107

Probably, yeah.

:

01:04:01,297 --> 01:04:06,177

Up until night, up until the time of the

movie's making, it made the Guinness Book.

:

01:04:06,327 --> 01:04:06,697

Yeah.

:

01:04:07,427 --> 01:04:13,587

Yeah, and also to make them more, make

everything feel more real, these actors

:

01:04:13,697 --> 01:04:15,647

all got real training from Green Berets.

:

01:04:15,677 --> 01:04:19,867

There was like an 8 week training

course before the film started,

:

01:04:19,877 --> 01:04:22,917

which, that's pretty intense.

:

01:04:23,202 --> 01:04:24,772

I appreciate that.

:

01:04:24,772 --> 01:04:27,242

I feel like Patrick Swayze

probably reveled in that.

:

01:04:27,742 --> 01:04:29,542

It just seemed like he

just loved intensity.

:

01:04:29,562 --> 01:04:30,332

You know, he does.

:

01:04:30,332 --> 01:04:34,352

He and he'll like I talk about him, like

everybody's pretty sick of it, but I

:

01:04:34,352 --> 01:04:39,162

talk about him and his book all the time

because he he doesn't do anything halfway.

:

01:04:39,382 --> 01:04:42,392

If he's going to do something, he's

going to do it well and master it.

:

01:04:42,392 --> 01:04:42,971

And he does.

:

01:04:43,052 --> 01:04:43,572

So, yes.

:

01:04:44,042 --> 01:04:46,212

Yes, it was pretty great dancer, right?

:

01:04:46,242 --> 01:04:51,192

I mean I know, but he's like a

classically trained dancer or something.

:

01:04:51,192 --> 01:04:52,032

If I remember.

:

01:04:52,072 --> 01:04:52,262

Yeah.

:

01:04:52,282 --> 01:04:52,572

Yeah.

:

01:04:52,712 --> 01:04:52,971

Yeah.

:

01:04:52,971 --> 01:04:55,692

Like he was in professional

dance companies in New York.

:

01:04:55,692 --> 01:04:56,142

Yeah.

:

01:04:56,492 --> 01:04:56,872

Yeah.

:

01:04:56,872 --> 01:05:00,732

He actually, he had a great

physique and I was very athletic.

:

01:05:01,002 --> 01:05:01,262

Yeah.

:

01:05:01,302 --> 01:05:03,912

And again, they just rest in peace.

:

01:05:04,172 --> 01:05:05,202

Just tragedy.

:

01:05:06,302 --> 01:05:08,022

That he passed away so young.

:

01:05:08,032 --> 01:05:09,642

He had a lot more to give to.

:

01:05:09,702 --> 01:05:11,692

I felt like, you know, so much.

:

01:05:11,721 --> 01:05:12,602

I know he was.

:

01:05:12,672 --> 01:05:13,212

Yeah.

:

01:05:13,242 --> 01:05:14,032

Oh, man.

:

01:05:14,572 --> 01:05:16,042

Now, speaking of his passing.

:

01:05:16,042 --> 01:05:22,732

So he he died of pancreatic cancer, but

so did powers booth and Ron O'Neill.

:

01:05:23,002 --> 01:05:27,742

So, those 3 actors of this movie, all 3

of them passed from pancreatic cancer.

:

01:05:28,082 --> 01:05:29,442

That is crazy.

:

01:05:29,542 --> 01:05:29,902

Wow.

:

01:05:30,532 --> 01:05:31,852

That's a rough 1 too.

:

01:05:32,482 --> 01:05:34,352

Yeah, that's pretty nasty.

:

01:05:34,442 --> 01:05:37,072

And it's pretty much a death sentence.

:

01:05:37,072 --> 01:05:41,212

It's been on, you know, when they

catch it, but usually the, it's caught

:

01:05:41,262 --> 01:05:43,412

late in the stages of it normally.

:

01:05:43,412 --> 01:05:44,992

So, that's the problem.

:

01:05:48,262 --> 01:05:53,632

Do you know who was originally cast or

who they, yeah, originally cast as Jed?

:

01:05:54,982 --> 01:05:55,532

No.

:

01:05:55,542 --> 01:05:55,912

Any guesses?

:

01:05:55,932 --> 01:05:56,752

No, ah, man.

:

01:05:59,322 --> 01:06:02,471

It's I feel like this is I'm thinking

of the actors of the time because I

:

01:06:02,471 --> 01:06:06,221

remember like with back to the future

was Eric Stoltz before Michael J.

:

01:06:06,221 --> 01:06:06,692

Fox.

:

01:06:06,712 --> 01:06:09,462

I wonder if it was 1 of those type

of things where it's like, oh, I

:

01:06:09,462 --> 01:06:11,512

know that guy, but I don't know.

:

01:06:11,522 --> 01:06:12,352

I actually don't know.

:

01:06:12,812 --> 01:06:16,232

Emilio Estevez, who's Charlie

Sheen's actual brother.

:

01:06:16,422 --> 01:06:18,912

So they like this Jed and

Matter brothers on the movie.

:

01:06:20,392 --> 01:06:24,912

Yeah, Emilio was I did when I

was watching this man, those

:

01:06:24,962 --> 01:06:27,362

Estevez brothers sound the same.

:

01:06:27,782 --> 01:06:28,352

Yeah.

:

01:06:29,072 --> 01:06:29,512

Yeah.

:

01:06:30,212 --> 01:06:35,221

It's a strange universe because I

was a big Charlie Sheen fan in the

:

01:06:35,221 --> 01:06:37,352

eighties, different movies and stuff.

:

01:06:37,402 --> 01:06:41,122

And and then I just recently watched a

thing about, you know, when he went nuts

:

01:06:41,132 --> 01:06:44,362

for a little while and he was talking

about tiger blood and all that stuff.

:

01:06:46,607 --> 01:06:49,857

Yeah, it is because I, I think

a lot of people really liked

:

01:06:49,857 --> 01:06:51,346

him as an eighties actor too.

:

01:06:51,687 --> 01:06:52,017

Yeah.

:

01:06:52,027 --> 01:06:57,017

And so it's, it's unfortunate that he's

seemingly tainted his legacy a little bit.

:

01:06:57,337 --> 01:06:57,997

Yeah.

:

01:06:58,387 --> 01:06:58,747

Yeah.

:

01:06:58,747 --> 01:07:01,987

And I was just a big fan,

a lot like platoon, big

:

01:07:02,157 --> 01:07:04,237

Charlie Sheen fan and platoon.

:

01:07:04,237 --> 01:07:05,527

And actually I've probably had a movie.

:

01:07:05,527 --> 01:07:07,297

A lot of people haven't seen men at work.

:

01:07:07,307 --> 01:07:09,077

He was in that and I

thought he was awesome.

:

01:07:09,077 --> 01:07:11,147

And wasn't that with Emilio Estevez?

:

01:07:11,607 --> 01:07:12,027

Yeah.

:

01:07:12,377 --> 01:07:12,596

Yeah.

:

01:07:12,596 --> 01:07:13,596

That was amazing.

:

01:07:13,677 --> 01:07:14,637

That was incredible.

:

01:07:14,647 --> 01:07:14,997

I don't know.

:

01:07:14,997 --> 01:07:19,107

I don't think a lot of people have

seen that movie like, but I always

:

01:07:19,107 --> 01:07:20,346

thought, man, it's a good movie.

:

01:07:21,337 --> 01:07:25,067

I remember liking it, but again, I think

I only saw it the one time and he was

:

01:07:25,096 --> 01:07:28,987

with Jennifer Gray in Ferris Bueller.

:

01:07:29,662 --> 01:07:32,971

Yeah, classic, classic.

:

01:07:33,482 --> 01:07:38,302

It's just weird to see these guys

like I was recently watching, I think

:

01:07:38,302 --> 01:07:42,582

it was on, it was a TV show, but it

was basically like he played Richard

:

01:07:42,592 --> 01:07:50,702

Sackler and, and the whole thing, Ferris

Bueller, and and I was like, he looks

:

01:07:50,712 --> 01:07:53,502

so old, like, why does he look so old?

:

01:07:53,512 --> 01:07:58,212

I just remember in Ferris Bueller's

Day Off, and the youthfulness of all

:

01:07:58,212 --> 01:08:04,072

of the characters, And that, and it's

weird to see your 80s favorite actors

:

01:08:04,182 --> 01:08:10,252

be old, deep, older people now you know,

like, this is strange, you know, it is.

:

01:08:10,252 --> 01:08:10,952

I don't like it.

:

01:08:11,962 --> 01:08:12,882

No, I don't like it either.

:

01:08:13,042 --> 01:08:16,152

I'm just like, depending on how well

they take care of themselves or not.

:

01:08:16,152 --> 01:08:17,292

It could be very rough.

:

01:08:17,992 --> 01:08:19,011

And the look, you know.

:

01:08:20,282 --> 01:08:20,792

Yeah.

:

01:08:21,002 --> 01:08:24,242

Actually, the guy who played Cameron

was like 29 years old though when he

:

01:08:24,242 --> 01:08:25,832

played him, when he played high school.

:

01:08:25,832 --> 01:08:26,282

Oh, that's funny.

:

01:08:26,522 --> 01:08:28,711

But that's, that was

common back in the day too.

:

01:08:28,892 --> 01:08:28,952

Yeah.

:

01:08:28,952 --> 01:08:30,242

Like straight up adults.

:

01:08:31,091 --> 01:08:31,872

Very common.

:

01:08:31,872 --> 01:08:32,862

Actually, A 9 0 2 1.

:

01:08:32,862 --> 01:08:33,072

Oh.

:

01:08:33,072 --> 01:08:35,292

All the people were not high schoolers.

:

01:08:35,292 --> 01:08:37,572

They were all the way up to like 24, 25.

:

01:08:37,572 --> 01:08:39,612

And then one of the characters was 29.

:

01:08:39,702 --> 01:08:40,002

Yeah.

:

01:08:40,211 --> 01:08:40,422

Yep.

:

01:08:40,422 --> 01:08:41,051

For that.

:

01:08:41,051 --> 01:08:41,742

So it's just weird.

:

01:08:41,742 --> 01:08:44,682

They're like teen idols, but

they're like not teenagers.

:

01:08:44,801 --> 01:08:45,252

Yeah.

:

01:08:45,742 --> 01:08:46,732

Grown people.

:

01:08:47,006 --> 01:08:50,082

, I mean, very grown

people playing teenagers.

:

01:08:50,082 --> 01:08:50,381

Yeah.

:

01:08:50,386 --> 01:08:50,471

Yeah.

:

01:08:51,752 --> 01:08:56,452

So we did, we did talk about

this being filmed in New Mexico

:

01:08:56,452 --> 01:08:58,102

and my love of Patrick Swayze.

:

01:08:58,102 --> 01:09:03,551

So I remember reading a lot about this

and in his book, but he fell in love

:

01:09:03,562 --> 01:09:09,332

with New Mexico while filming this

movie and then later he and his wife.

:

01:09:09,627 --> 01:09:17,207

Purchased a 7, 200 plus acre ranch and

did he consult with Val Kilmer about this?

:

01:09:17,207 --> 01:09:19,687

Another guy who loved loves a new Mexico.

:

01:09:19,727 --> 01:09:20,917

Oh, that's right.

:

01:09:21,267 --> 01:09:22,256

And he had a plane.

:

01:09:22,256 --> 01:09:24,857

Like they had, he had a plane

that they'd fly back and forth.

:

01:09:25,917 --> 01:09:27,607

Cause he, he had his pilot's license.

:

01:09:28,207 --> 01:09:29,167

So, yeah.

:

01:09:29,417 --> 01:09:29,617

Wow.

:

01:09:29,617 --> 01:09:31,397

I didn't know that he moved there too.

:

01:09:31,397 --> 01:09:34,537

I, cause New Mexico is

very famous for Val Kilmer.

:

01:09:34,817 --> 01:09:39,077

Being there and actually I think

Julia Roberts has been there

:

01:09:39,077 --> 01:09:40,327

too or a couple other people.

:

01:09:40,336 --> 01:09:44,547

Oh, yeah, I could see that Yeah, like

love, New Mexico I feel like it's

:

01:09:44,547 --> 01:09:49,167

always like they love New Mexico or

like Idaho like, you know, Sun Valley,

:

01:09:49,167 --> 01:09:52,727

Idaho or something or Aspen It's

like these are the places a lot of

:

01:09:52,727 --> 01:09:56,497

celebrities end up going if they're not

in Hollywood, you know Yep, or like one

:

01:09:56,497 --> 01:09:59,507

of their five houses Yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

01:09:59,507 --> 01:10:00,317

I'm in New Mexico.

:

01:10:00,467 --> 01:10:02,487

Honestly, I'm going to

be purely honest here.

:

01:10:02,487 --> 01:10:03,207

I've been up.

:

01:10:03,277 --> 01:10:04,627

I've been through the entire state.

:

01:10:04,637 --> 01:10:07,047

Not a fan, not a fan.

:

01:10:07,727 --> 01:10:12,557

Yeah, I'm not a fan either, but

yeah, for, I mean, there are parts

:

01:10:12,557 --> 01:10:16,217

of it that are all right, but

yeah, I don't particularly love.

:

01:10:17,187 --> 01:10:19,397

I guess I could see a ranch

being really beautiful.

:

01:10:19,892 --> 01:10:22,682

But especially if you could still

see the mountains, I'm not sure,

:

01:10:23,192 --> 01:10:29,642

but I don't love like the Southwest

look like all the Adobe and stuff.

:

01:10:29,662 --> 01:10:30,922

Like, that's not my favorite look.

:

01:10:30,922 --> 01:10:33,622

I like more like mid century.

:

01:10:34,392 --> 01:10:34,742

Yeah.

:

01:10:35,042 --> 01:10:35,552

Yeah.

:

01:10:35,922 --> 01:10:36,182

Yeah.

:

01:10:36,182 --> 01:10:38,632

I like Santa Fe quite a

bit, but that's about it.

:

01:10:38,742 --> 01:10:40,042

And the rest, I don't know.

:

01:10:40,042 --> 01:10:41,682

It's just not a pretty place.

:

01:10:42,252 --> 01:10:45,662

And in general to me, I don't

know, but they, they loved it.

:

01:10:45,672 --> 01:10:47,352

Apparently Swayze loved it that much.

:

01:10:47,362 --> 01:10:48,632

7, 200 acres.

:

01:10:48,632 --> 01:10:51,742

That's a significant commitment

because they were horse people.

:

01:10:51,752 --> 01:10:56,412

Like they really liked just like having

all this land and you know, they're,

:

01:10:56,412 --> 01:10:58,112

cause he's like originally from Texas.

:

01:10:58,112 --> 01:11:04,972

And so, yeah, he's kind of that got

that outdoorsyness to him as well.

:

01:11:05,947 --> 01:11:09,517

Yeah, that actually makes a lot of

sense with, but see what I mean, like

:

01:11:10,117 --> 01:11:14,987

this level of almost contradiction

in a person is truly beautiful.

:

01:11:15,277 --> 01:11:16,937

Like a ballet dancer from Texas.

:

01:11:16,967 --> 01:11:20,867

Yeah, a ballet dancer from

Texas, New Mexico, Hollywood

:

01:11:20,867 --> 01:11:23,117

icon, man's man, whatever.

:

01:11:23,977 --> 01:11:28,487

Sensitive, strong, like there's very few

humans made of that stuff that I see.

:

01:11:28,527 --> 01:11:31,297

I'm saying he's, he's spectacular.

:

01:11:33,287 --> 01:11:34,157

You're all over this.

:

01:11:34,157 --> 01:11:37,022

I just find that's a very

rare quality in a person.

:

01:11:38,892 --> 01:11:45,392

You know, yeah John Milius carried

around a loaded pistol around set.

:

01:11:46,172 --> 01:11:48,172

I don't think I don't

have been great today.

:

01:11:49,062 --> 01:11:52,262

He would have been I

don't, I don't like that.

:

01:11:52,772 --> 01:11:55,272

I would not feel comfortable

if I was a cast member.

:

01:11:56,452 --> 01:11:59,102

Why did he, did they say

why he, it's just who he is.

:

01:11:59,122 --> 01:12:00,662

He's just like that guy, I guess.

:

01:12:00,952 --> 01:12:04,422

He's just like a big, I think

he's like a real big gun guy.

:

01:12:04,912 --> 01:12:05,942

Oh, like, okay.

:

01:12:06,432 --> 01:12:07,722

I feel like maybe I read that.

:

01:12:07,812 --> 01:12:09,482

So he's all about, Oh,

you're on a movie set.

:

01:12:09,492 --> 01:12:11,302

What do you think is going

to happen on the movie set?

:

01:12:11,302 --> 01:12:13,582

Like some rogue actor is going

to tackle you or something?

:

01:12:13,582 --> 01:12:13,872

I don't know.

:

01:12:14,002 --> 01:12:16,052

Plus, plus it's like a war movie set.

:

01:12:16,052 --> 01:12:19,202

So there's plenty of weaponry around.

:

01:12:19,222 --> 01:12:19,792

I know.

:

01:12:20,832 --> 01:12:21,252

I know.

:

01:12:21,252 --> 01:12:21,882

That's yeah.

:

01:12:21,882 --> 01:12:22,452

Whatever.

:

01:12:24,027 --> 01:12:29,867

Yeah, there I somewhere I saw the

CIA or yeah, to CIA agents, actually,

:

01:12:29,867 --> 01:12:34,297

because of all the weapon the tanks

and everything to CIA agents came to

:

01:12:34,297 --> 01:12:38,137

the set investing reports of Russian

tanks in the area and they were

:

01:12:38,147 --> 01:12:39,937

relieved to find out that it was.

:

01:12:40,782 --> 01:12:44,182

For a movie and not a real invasion.

:

01:12:44,212 --> 01:12:47,702

Yeah, Patrick Swayze's here.

:

01:12:47,762 --> 01:12:48,252

Okay.

:

01:12:48,462 --> 01:12:53,862

I'm like Charlie Sheen, but like

a lot of real military stuff.

:

01:12:53,892 --> 01:12:58,732

I was reading about used the Wolverines,

like use stuff from this movie.

:

01:12:58,742 --> 01:12:59,292

Okay.

:

01:13:00,122 --> 01:13:04,202

Like during the:

invasion of Ukraine, some abandoned

:

01:13:04,212 --> 01:13:07,582

Russian tanks in Ukraine were

spray painted with Wolverines.

:

01:13:08,307 --> 01:13:12,377

Across it in homage to

the movie and that movie.

:

01:13:12,377 --> 01:13:13,077

Seriously.

:

01:13:13,177 --> 01:13:13,627

Yeah.

:

01:13:13,627 --> 01:13:15,747

And then there was let's see

:

01:13:17,532 --> 01:13:21,482

the, when they caught Saddam Hussein,

the, let's see, where was it?

:

01:13:22,752 --> 01:13:27,692

Red Dawn was the code name for

the military operation that

:

01:13:27,692 --> 01:13:30,052

captured Saddam Hussein in:

:

01:13:31,052 --> 01:13:31,782

Wow.

:

01:13:32,372 --> 01:13:38,192

I think the time period, like how

movies influence people so much.

:

01:13:38,862 --> 01:13:42,692

Like they just have like, especially

eighties movies and I think also

:

01:13:42,692 --> 01:13:45,152

nineties, but especially eighties movies.

:

01:13:45,152 --> 01:13:47,942

There's just something about

them that sticks to your ribs

:

01:13:48,412 --> 01:13:50,072

and they're just so memorable.

:

01:13:50,082 --> 01:13:51,262

There's like a time.

:

01:13:51,452 --> 01:13:56,022

I actually think the eighties

is a time in life that is so

:

01:13:56,022 --> 01:13:57,802

unique in the history of humans.

:

01:13:57,812 --> 01:13:58,832

This sounds ridiculous.

:

01:13:58,832 --> 01:13:59,712

I know, but I just think.

:

01:13:59,752 --> 01:14:00,732

No, it doesn't at all.

:

01:14:00,732 --> 01:14:01,692

I fully agree.

:

01:14:02,017 --> 01:14:05,867

I, right, I just think there's something

very, there was a shift in the 80s,

:

01:14:06,007 --> 01:14:12,037

culturally, in the time that just I feel

like the shift was so gigantic from the

:

01:14:12,047 --> 01:14:18,747

80s to where we are now, I just felt

like more fun, honestly, and I, I really

:

01:14:18,747 --> 01:14:24,877

think that the fact that things were like

VHS, you had to go to the movies, you

:

01:14:24,877 --> 01:14:28,817

had to wait a long time before something

came out, sequels weren't a big thing,

:

01:14:29,717 --> 01:14:31,117

You know, the lack of the Internet.

:

01:14:31,157 --> 01:14:34,957

I'm actually really happy that I did

not have the Internet during that time.

:

01:14:35,017 --> 01:14:39,977

I really feel like I just think is

like a lot of people who were without

:

01:14:39,977 --> 01:14:41,577

the Internet before it came along.

:

01:14:41,617 --> 01:14:45,847

You, you have a special gift that

people today will never attain.

:

01:14:47,677 --> 01:14:51,617

You have the ability to be

bored, the ability to just

:

01:14:51,817 --> 01:14:53,447

see life in a different way.

:

01:14:54,402 --> 01:14:58,292

And to be patient about things it's okay.

:

01:14:58,292 --> 01:15:02,792

If your show doesn't come out the

next day, you know, it's like, yeah.

:

01:15:02,792 --> 01:15:07,722

And that like dopamine hit of

getting likes or whatever on your

:

01:15:07,722 --> 01:15:11,242

social media stuff, like having

to deal with that as a teenager.

:

01:15:12,432 --> 01:15:17,202

I am part of a, there is a, it is

special so much so that there is a

:

01:15:17,432 --> 01:15:25,002

sub generation dubbed that I'm so

people born between:

:

01:15:25,002 --> 01:15:25,077

Okay.

:

01:15:25,957 --> 01:15:35,407

So the cusps, the cusp years of Gen X

and millennial, we are sub subgeneration

:

01:15:35,407 --> 01:15:41,647

and Xenial with a, with an X Z or X E

N N I A L and they say it's so specific

:

01:15:41,647 --> 01:15:44,727

because we had a analog childhood.

:

01:15:45,612 --> 01:15:49,402

We grew up without the internet

riding our bikes around, but then

:

01:15:49,432 --> 01:15:54,672

immediately as adults, we had the we

had a digital adulthood and that that's

:

01:15:54,782 --> 01:16:00,892

like very specific to, I'm technically

a millennial, but I don't, I'm such

:

01:16:00,892 --> 01:16:07,672

an old soul, like, I'm very much

more, gravitate towards Gen X stuff.

:

01:16:08,372 --> 01:16:14,292

Yeah, I'm definitely a Gen Xer and in

that definitely in that little I'm square

:

01:16:14,292 --> 01:16:21,152

in that you're in the 78, 78 when I

was born and it's just a special time.

:

01:16:21,152 --> 01:16:22,172

We'll never get back.

:

01:16:22,172 --> 01:16:24,952

And if you were born in that time,

you around that time, you have a,

:

01:16:24,962 --> 01:16:27,252

you have a literally a superpower.

:

01:16:28,057 --> 01:16:30,647

Like, you've existed in

the birth of something.

:

01:16:30,857 --> 01:16:34,377

You, you, you existed during the birth

of something that's cataclysmic to

:

01:16:34,377 --> 01:16:38,617

change humans forever, but you existed

also in a time when none of that was

:

01:16:38,617 --> 01:16:41,517

available, and you had to be resourceful.

:

01:16:41,737 --> 01:16:45,087

When you think about Gen X, what's

the worst thing to say about Gen X?

:

01:16:45,107 --> 01:16:46,097

They were slackers.

:

01:16:46,407 --> 01:16:49,957

I mean, I'm not a slacker, but that was

like the worst thing about the generation.

:

01:16:50,527 --> 01:16:53,987

Think about the generations after

they get punished constantly with

:

01:16:53,987 --> 01:16:55,657

all these terrible negative things.

:

01:16:55,657 --> 01:16:57,627

Like it could be the worst.

:

01:16:57,937 --> 01:17:02,607

Millennials, you know Gen Z, these

people get crushed constantly

:

01:17:02,637 --> 01:17:03,817

for all these negative things.

:

01:17:03,827 --> 01:17:06,317

The worst thing about us,

we were slackers up here.

:

01:17:06,317 --> 01:17:07,627

Oh, we were latchkey kids.

:

01:17:07,827 --> 01:17:10,817

You know, it's like,

which wasn't that bad.

:

01:17:10,997 --> 01:17:11,416

Yeah.

:

01:17:13,452 --> 01:17:13,922

Right.

:

01:17:13,922 --> 01:17:16,512

You actually had to figure out

a lot of things on your own.

:

01:17:16,512 --> 01:17:19,562

You couldn't just look up this magical

thing on a computer that told you

:

01:17:19,562 --> 01:17:24,592

everything like you actually had to use

your brain, like use your brain and, and

:

01:17:24,652 --> 01:17:32,312

be in silence, be in boredom, be like the

not being able to be bored was probably.

:

01:17:32,812 --> 01:17:36,152

I feel like anybody who's, I'm not even

a parent, but I feel like all the parents

:

01:17:36,152 --> 01:17:41,492

out there are like, Oh my God, yes,

like children cannot not be entertained.

:

01:17:41,512 --> 01:17:41,922

Yeah.

:

01:17:42,462 --> 01:17:43,442

Oh, completely.

:

01:17:43,472 --> 01:17:45,412

Like the other day I was

making my daughter some food.

:

01:17:45,422 --> 01:17:48,552

She's 12 and she said, what are

we going to do while we eat?

:

01:17:48,582 --> 01:17:49,342

I said, nothing.

:

01:17:49,352 --> 01:17:50,572

We're going to look at each other.

:

01:17:50,612 --> 01:17:52,142

We're going to chat.

:

01:17:52,422 --> 01:17:53,312

And she goes, really?

:

01:17:53,312 --> 01:17:55,402

We're not going to watch

like a show or movies.

:

01:17:55,402 --> 01:17:55,902

I said, no.

:

01:17:56,117 --> 01:17:56,997

You don't need to do that.

:

01:17:57,357 --> 01:17:59,097

Like, let's just talk.

:

01:17:59,437 --> 01:18:00,517

What are we going to talk about?

:

01:18:00,517 --> 01:18:01,347

I'm like, I don't know.

:

01:18:01,357 --> 01:18:03,107

We're just going to, why

do we have to analyze this?

:

01:18:03,137 --> 01:18:06,957

Like, you know, just, I don't know.

:

01:18:08,457 --> 01:18:09,577

Or like car rides.

:

01:18:09,587 --> 01:18:11,416

I so vividly, like, can you imagine?

:

01:18:11,927 --> 01:18:17,077

I don't think children can even wrap

their brains around going on like an eight

:

01:18:17,077 --> 01:18:21,067

hour car ride somewhere without a device.

:

01:18:21,732 --> 01:18:25,122

We looked out the window and

counted cows and stuff, and

:

01:18:25,122 --> 01:18:26,592

we're like, look, look at that.

:

01:18:26,612 --> 01:18:29,541

We played road, like we made up games.

:

01:18:30,952 --> 01:18:31,622

Yes.

:

01:18:31,712 --> 01:18:32,782

Resourcefulness.

:

01:18:32,842 --> 01:18:35,502

It serves you well in life.

:

01:18:35,522 --> 01:18:39,212

And I just think that's to

me, the eighties, especially

:

01:18:39,212 --> 01:18:41,122

the early to mid eighties.

:

01:18:41,452 --> 01:18:44,992

You're in a time period where the

movies were just either terrible

:

01:18:44,992 --> 01:18:48,552

or amazing, but even if they're

terrible, they became cult classics.

:

01:18:49,002 --> 01:18:54,172

And you just, you could actually watch

something and you can remember the

:

01:18:54,172 --> 01:18:57,682

lines of the movie and you weren't

distracted by other stuff happening,

:

01:18:58,041 --> 01:19:00,472

like you're in front of that TV

or you're at that movie theater.

:

01:19:00,852 --> 01:19:01,472

Think about it.

:

01:19:01,472 --> 01:19:05,002

Now, if you're at a movie

theater, now you're thinking about

:

01:19:05,412 --> 01:19:06,672

putting your hand in your pocket.

:

01:19:06,672 --> 01:19:11,541

What's a, did someone text me

these notifications you know, all

:

01:19:11,541 --> 01:19:15,482

that stuff needs to just remove

it, remove that pay attention.

:

01:19:16,152 --> 01:19:19,812

And and then you really

ingest the movie for that.

:

01:19:19,812 --> 01:19:24,072

So I actually think we have a huge

advantage on a lot of other people.

:

01:19:24,192 --> 01:19:27,342

And you know you learned, like,

member talking on the phone.

:

01:19:27,662 --> 01:19:31,212

Sorry, people, this is like, that's

what you live for to go home and

:

01:19:31,212 --> 01:19:35,627

talk to someone on the phone,

hoping that the line wasn't busy.

:

01:19:36,457 --> 01:19:39,147

You know, and that someone

else, you know, it's just like

:

01:19:39,477 --> 01:19:41,267

having to just talk to people.

:

01:19:41,277 --> 01:19:43,577

I had to teach my daughter

how to talk on the phone.

:

01:19:43,577 --> 01:19:47,467

We actually had a fake phone call just

to like work on talking with each other.

:

01:19:47,747 --> 01:19:48,787

That's so crazy.

:

01:19:48,787 --> 01:19:48,987

Yeah.

:

01:19:48,987 --> 01:19:53,157

If you liked a person like a 12 year

old back in the, you'd have to call

:

01:19:53,157 --> 01:19:59,857

their home, talk to their parent,

parents, and ask for that person.

:

01:19:59,997 --> 01:20:01,527

Can I please speak to whoever?

:

01:20:02,117 --> 01:20:02,677

Yeah.

:

01:20:02,897 --> 01:20:03,367

Yeah.

:

01:20:03,367 --> 01:20:07,157

I don't like, like a lot of

little, little courageous moments

:

01:20:07,157 --> 01:20:11,227

sprinkled throughout there and

riding your bike far away places.

:

01:20:11,237 --> 01:20:13,916

You know, and I was a good, like,

you didn't know what your kid was

:

01:20:13,916 --> 01:20:15,247

for like 10 hours during the day.

:

01:20:15,287 --> 01:20:16,087

That's not good.

:

01:20:16,627 --> 01:20:19,577

But you know, that

probably wasn't the best.

:

01:20:19,577 --> 01:20:20,127

Hopefully they come home.

:

01:20:20,916 --> 01:20:24,127

But, you know, maybe they'll show up,

you know, I mean, it's nicer now to

:

01:20:24,137 --> 01:20:28,287

have GPS and I know where my daughter

is when she's out and stuff, but I

:

01:20:28,287 --> 01:20:33,777

just think it's a time that is may

never, ever be replicated ever again.

:

01:20:34,357 --> 01:20:35,207

Thank goodness.

:

01:20:35,277 --> 01:20:36,747

I'm part of that time period.

:

01:20:37,177 --> 01:20:37,957

I agree.

:

01:20:38,027 --> 01:20:40,937

You know, what's literally.

:

01:20:41,527 --> 01:20:46,477

What emulates the vast change I,

so I just got home from a trip

:

01:20:46,487 --> 01:20:47,877

visiting a friend in Oregon.

:

01:20:49,022 --> 01:20:49,702

Great trip.

:

01:20:51,072 --> 01:20:51,942

She drops me off.

:

01:20:52,282 --> 01:20:55,662

So I had my phone was charging in her car.

:

01:20:55,962 --> 01:20:57,092

I get all my bags.

:

01:20:57,272 --> 01:21:04,232

I go up to the desk to like, check my

bag in, get my phone out to show them.

:

01:21:04,252 --> 01:21:06,452

Like my phone is and my phone is not.

:

01:21:06,932 --> 01:21:12,082

My phone is in her car charging and

I'm like, I about had a hard time.

:

01:21:12,132 --> 01:21:15,092

I was like, Oh, so many things

running through my head.

:

01:21:15,092 --> 01:21:17,712

Like, how am I even going to get,

once I get home, I guess I'll have

:

01:21:17,732 --> 01:21:20,612

to figure out a taxi instead of Uber.

:

01:21:20,612 --> 01:21:23,032

And like, how do I even contact her?

:

01:21:23,882 --> 01:21:24,892

But I was like, I.

:

01:21:25,957 --> 01:21:29,567

I can't and I stood out there waiting

for a while, hoping she'd notice

:

01:21:29,567 --> 01:21:36,337

and and then I was like, then it

occurred to me I had to accept that.

:

01:21:36,337 --> 01:21:38,837

This is what's happening

and just get on my just.

:

01:21:39,017 --> 01:21:39,437

Okay.

:

01:21:39,437 --> 01:21:40,367

I still got to get on this.

:

01:21:40,377 --> 01:21:44,507

So I started to go through security

and thankfully, it's a small airport.

:

01:21:44,517 --> 01:21:46,666

So I kept an eye out like, they're.

:

01:21:47,147 --> 01:21:51,947

I could still see the front door from

security and I saw her, so I just found

:

01:21:51,947 --> 01:21:56,687

your security and I race back, but I

had a mini heart attack, of course,

:

01:21:57,117 --> 01:22:03,887

but that is so definitive of like,

how our phones are everything to us.

:

01:22:03,937 --> 01:22:06,737

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

:

01:22:06,777 --> 01:22:09,337

And you just don't have

to think that much.

:

01:22:10,217 --> 01:22:14,887

And this lack of thinking it just

makes me make it like the ultimate kids

:

01:22:14,887 --> 01:22:18,647

movies like the Goonies and you think

about the resourcefulness of the kids

:

01:22:18,707 --> 01:22:22,487

and you know all the stuff they did

during it like that was me that was

:

01:22:22,487 --> 01:22:26,007

my that's why so many people love that

movie because it was literally most.

:

01:22:26,377 --> 01:22:30,467

People's eighties childhood, messing

around, making up stuff, getting into

:

01:22:30,467 --> 01:22:35,337

trouble, riding bikes, you know, trying

to figure out stuff to do while your

:

01:22:35,337 --> 01:22:37,617

parents are at work and all that.

:

01:22:37,666 --> 01:22:41,677

And and Red Dawn in many ways is

like the teenage version of that

:

01:22:41,916 --> 01:22:46,387

set in a wartime experience, you

know, good take really good take.

:

01:22:48,807 --> 01:22:49,617

That's so true.

:

01:22:49,627 --> 01:22:50,077

It's different.

:

01:22:50,147 --> 01:22:50,487

Yeah.

:

01:22:50,557 --> 01:22:52,017

All your friends are there with you.

:

01:22:52,017 --> 01:22:54,477

You're trying to, you're trying,

you have to be resourceful.

:

01:22:54,537 --> 01:22:57,507

Imagine like how weird that

movie would be with phones.

:

01:22:57,962 --> 01:23:02,982

No, all the adventure movies of our

childhood don't exist without, I mean,

:

01:23:03,002 --> 01:23:09,392

if there's no, it takes away all of

the need for anything, if you have a

:

01:23:09,392 --> 01:23:11,342

phone, the problem is solved for you.

:

01:23:11,692 --> 01:23:12,372

It's solved.

:

01:23:12,602 --> 01:23:12,822

Yeah.

:

01:23:12,822 --> 01:23:13,192

Yeah.

:

01:23:13,622 --> 01:23:14,002

Yeah.

:

01:23:14,082 --> 01:23:17,142

I mean, so I just think

what a unique time in life.

:

01:23:17,172 --> 01:23:21,322

What an incredible time in life

and what a great preparation.

:

01:23:21,932 --> 01:23:23,872

And I think it made for better adults.

:

01:23:23,872 --> 01:23:25,062

I'm just going to put it out there.

:

01:23:25,152 --> 01:23:27,992

It just made for better adults

because you became an adult early.

:

01:23:27,992 --> 01:23:28,007

Yeah.

:

01:23:28,407 --> 01:23:32,937

When you grew up in this time, you had

a lot of responsibility, whereas now a

:

01:23:32,937 --> 01:23:36,617

lot of the kids, their term adulting,

they delay adulthood as long as

:

01:23:36,637 --> 01:23:38,587

possible because they're just coddled.

:

01:23:39,217 --> 01:23:44,517

And they, they are fearful of the

responsibility versus nothing was greater

:

01:23:44,897 --> 01:23:47,377

when you were 16 and you wanted to drive.

:

01:23:47,427 --> 01:23:52,817

Like that was like the driving force

was independence, driving, finding out,

:

01:23:52,837 --> 01:23:56,777

getting out there, doing my own thing,

hair, you know, going through my hair.

:

01:23:57,522 --> 01:23:58,212

Couldn't wait.

:

01:23:58,212 --> 01:24:01,472

It was like the, it was the

goal of your life to be able to

:

01:24:01,472 --> 01:24:02,932

drive and become an adult now.

:

01:24:02,932 --> 01:24:05,192

It's like, I would like

to be chauffeured around.

:

01:24:05,342 --> 01:24:05,582

Yeah.

:

01:24:06,252 --> 01:24:09,372

I really don't want to

be responsible for stuff.

:

01:24:09,412 --> 01:24:09,942

Literally.

:

01:24:09,942 --> 01:24:11,852

I mean, I hear this

all the time, you know?

:

01:24:11,862 --> 01:24:13,012

No, it's so true.

:

01:24:13,032 --> 01:24:18,312

And I wonder now, because I often

wonder about how people back in the

:

01:24:18,312 --> 01:24:22,842

day, Like in the 80s, someone would

on a movie or TV show would be like

:

01:24:22,952 --> 01:24:25,212

30, but they looked like they were 50.

:

01:24:25,422 --> 01:24:26,112

Yeah.

:

01:24:26,162 --> 01:24:28,612

And similar, you know what I mean?

:

01:24:28,722 --> 01:24:32,102

And then when, you know, now obviously

part of it's because I'm old now,

:

01:24:32,102 --> 01:24:34,192

but when I see a 30 year old now.

:

01:24:35,177 --> 01:24:39,017

They look like they're a baby

still they're very young.

:

01:24:39,217 --> 01:24:41,107

So, is it the delayed?

:

01:24:41,117 --> 01:24:42,347

Do you think that has any?

:

01:24:42,357 --> 01:24:43,437

Is there a correlation there?

:

01:24:44,527 --> 01:24:48,307

I think that I think just like

people look younger older now.

:

01:24:48,787 --> 01:24:54,197

Just speak this more of an

understanding of people are taking

:

01:24:54,197 --> 01:24:56,267

much better care of themselves and.

:

01:24:56,617 --> 01:25:01,867

And people have means, I think, for a

lot of people who are understand we're

:

01:25:01,887 --> 01:25:06,037

coming online more about what it means

to take care of yourself, self care,

:

01:25:06,567 --> 01:25:11,307

and when you know, people are drinking

less alcohol, they're, they're having,

:

01:25:11,317 --> 01:25:15,477

they're eating much better, you know,

there's obviously many exceptions to that,

:

01:25:15,477 --> 01:25:21,587

but I just think people are not, Like

living hard the way they used to before

:

01:25:22,137 --> 01:25:23,647

it's like, okay, I'm going to get sleep.

:

01:25:23,666 --> 01:25:27,177

There was this whole thing in the

eighties, nineties, like sleep when I die,

:

01:25:27,187 --> 01:25:29,197

you know, it's like this whole craziness.

:

01:25:29,567 --> 01:25:33,067

Now it's like, I need to get my

7 to 9 hours, you know, I need

:

01:25:33,067 --> 01:25:34,617

to have less stress in my life.

:

01:25:35,247 --> 01:25:39,127

And I think a lot of that eighties

mentality was like, especially if you

:

01:25:39,127 --> 01:25:44,282

think about kind of this, wall street

mentality, wealth, excess work yourself

:

01:25:44,282 --> 01:25:49,352

to the bone just to become wealthy, you

know, excess, excess, excess, you know?

:

01:25:49,732 --> 01:25:55,162

Yeah, I, I hate, I despise also I'm

like a skeptic, like I'm a very, I

:

01:25:55,162 --> 01:26:02,362

don't know, I see things, but like in

the corporate world when somebody who's

:

01:26:02,382 --> 01:26:07,322

interviewing me or I see it in their

job posting, we work hard and play hard.

:

01:26:07,322 --> 01:26:08,112

I'm like, Nope.

:

01:26:08,722 --> 01:26:11,002

That's not like, I, I hate.

:

01:26:11,642 --> 01:26:14,812

That term, for some

reason, it really it's me.

:

01:26:15,672 --> 01:26:19,832

Yeah, I think it's just a different

and I, I think you'll see humans will

:

01:26:19,832 --> 01:26:23,952

continue to look much younger at all

ages throughout the course of that

:

01:26:23,962 --> 01:26:28,041

people who are paying attention versus

if you think about if you see pictures

:

01:26:28,041 --> 01:26:32,832

of people in the, early:

could say, Oh, this person is 25.

:

01:26:32,872 --> 01:26:34,022

They look like they're 60.

:

01:26:34,092 --> 01:26:35,742

I mean, they look so old.

:

01:26:36,342 --> 01:26:38,722

It's because life was so hard.

:

01:26:38,772 --> 01:26:40,552

It was so hard.

:

01:26:40,942 --> 01:26:43,932

Literally it was survival every day.

:

01:26:44,322 --> 01:26:49,592

And that takes a toll on a person's

health, health and wellness.

:

01:26:49,592 --> 01:26:53,422

And it just, people aren't living like

that in developed countries anymore.

:

01:26:53,982 --> 01:26:57,012

So so it's just really

interesting to see, but.

:

01:26:57,507 --> 01:27:02,307

I just think we're in a what a time,

I'll talk about the 80s with anyone,

:

01:27:02,547 --> 01:27:05,757

and I know it's kind of a gadgety

kind of period to a lot of people,

:

01:27:05,757 --> 01:27:10,087

but it's, it's, it's actually one of

the greatest decades in human history.

:

01:27:10,087 --> 01:27:11,127

That's not even a joke.

:

01:27:11,507 --> 01:27:12,307

It really is.

:

01:27:12,416 --> 01:27:17,497

I literally have a show called

RetroMade that is about the 80s

:

01:27:17,567 --> 01:27:20,387

but so I wholeheartedly agree.

:

01:27:20,697 --> 01:27:23,997

And I think a lot of people

of our generation do too.

:

01:27:24,457 --> 01:27:28,017

So, yeah, I think just like the

people who, you know, the greatest

:

01:27:28,017 --> 01:27:32,747

generation back and back in the

day they feel very similar about

:

01:27:33,117 --> 01:27:34,537

how we feel about the eighties.

:

01:27:34,537 --> 01:27:35,567

Yeah, exactly.

:

01:27:35,567 --> 01:27:40,067

I, I don't think that a lot of people

today feel very similar about their

:

01:27:40,067 --> 01:27:42,416

generation just for my conversations.

:

01:27:42,697 --> 01:27:46,487

Yeah, I think they just feel a lot

of upheaval, like they're getting

:

01:27:46,487 --> 01:27:49,847

screwed left and right with the housing

market and all these different things.

:

01:27:49,987 --> 01:27:52,416

They feel like this isn't that great.

:

01:27:52,897 --> 01:27:56,247

Whereas I never once thought

that in the eighties, never.

:

01:27:56,287 --> 01:27:58,357

Oh, and looking back like,

oh, that wasn't great.

:

01:27:58,357 --> 01:27:59,597

I was like, wow, that was really good.

:

01:27:59,807 --> 01:28:00,617

It was like.

:

01:28:02,842 --> 01:28:03,822

Perfect.

:

01:28:04,702 --> 01:28:11,722

Well, so Red Dawn, as we've discussed, is

a departure from the movies that RetroMate

:

01:28:11,732 --> 01:28:13,902

has covered so far with Kurt and Patrick.

:

01:28:14,222 --> 01:28:17,842

So, in a way, it was kind of a nice

change of scenery and I can never get

:

01:28:17,842 --> 01:28:23,532

too much Patrick Spacey, but I'd rather

not remain in this version of:

:

01:28:24,762 --> 01:28:29,772

So, we must now return to present day

reality until the next RetroMate episode.

:

01:28:30,307 --> 01:28:33,647

Darian, it was a pleasure to

talk with you about:

:

01:28:33,787 --> 01:28:36,527

interesting journey that is Red Dawn.

:

01:28:37,577 --> 01:28:41,217

Do you have any closing thoughts

or places where we can find you?

:

01:28:42,397 --> 01:28:45,487

Well, definitely drdarianparker.

:

01:28:45,517 --> 01:28:46,987

com, spell the doctor out.

:

01:28:47,027 --> 01:28:51,327

It's basically the main place

you'll find anything about me.

:

01:28:51,689 --> 01:28:57,919

Thoughts just that, if you are listening

to this and you were not born in that

:

01:28:57,919 --> 01:29:02,989

time period and you're part of a newer

generation of people, I highly suggest you

:

01:29:02,989 --> 01:29:05,109

do what I do with my 12 year old daughter.

:

01:29:05,509 --> 01:29:08,869

I've taken her back through

all the 80s, great 80s movies.

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She knows almost every 80s movies we're

talking about here and she always says.

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I like 80s movies the best and she's 12

and she's seen a bunch of movies currently

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too, but I said, Hey, these, there's

maybe not a better thing to introduce.

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Go watch Ghostbusters.

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Okay, right now, go watch Ghostbusters,

go watch Red Dawn opposite type of movie.

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And I think you'll find

there's a lot of heart.

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80s movies have a lot of heart

and feels so much heart in these

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movies, a lot of great actors.

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And lots of incredible themes that

I think will make you think about

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your current life quite a bit.

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That is so well said.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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