Shownotes
It's Season 11, Episode 18, Hell's Angel, and Amara is back, and she's not the only one. Our favorite sorceress with the mostess has arisen to delight us with her eyeshadow and her ability to play sides. We contemplate how many beings you can fit in a vessel. And Liz talks about summoning Lucifer/Lucifugé Rofocale as done in the The Grand Grimoire, aka the The Red Dragon, aka the Dragon Rouge.
Research Links
- Lucifuge Rofocale - Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives
- LE GRAND GRIMOIRE. This digital edition by Joseph H. Peterson, 1998; updated Jul 18, 2023.
- Rodama: a blog of 18th-century & Revolutionary France: Some books of magic
- Chapbook - Wikipedia
- 9780199204519.pdf - Davies, Owen (2009). Grimoires: A History of Magic Books. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0199204519. OCLC 244766270.
- Grand Grimoire - Wikipedia
Transcripts
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we learned that supernatural math is just as hard as regular math.
Speaker B:For example, how many entities can you fit in a vessel?
Speaker B:One archangel, one demon, one angel.
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And we're going to talk about season 11, episode 18, Hell's Angel.
Speaker A:Yes, hell.
Speaker A:It could be Hell's Missing an angel.
Speaker A:No, just Hell's Angel.
Speaker A:I guess it's.
Speaker A:It's a title they had.
Speaker B:It is a title.
Speaker B:Ah.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What have you been up to?
Speaker B:Watering dirt.
Speaker B:Watering dirt.
Speaker B:Has it been fruitful?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:The dirt will not stay wet.
Speaker A:The dirt's supposed to be damp, and I can't make the dirt damp.
Speaker A:And also damp dirt's just mud.
Speaker A:So I'm like, am I just supposed to be making mud all the time?
Speaker A:So to make this clear, I have put in grass.
Speaker A:Somebody put in grass seedlings.
Speaker A:I did not put in this.
Speaker A:Someone.
Speaker A:Someone else put in dirt and grass seedlings on part of my grass.
Speaker A:And then I was like, wait, what do I do with this?
Speaker A:And they're like, you gotta water it every day.
Speaker A:Like, I have not been watering it every day.
Speaker A:Like, so I think I'm gonna talk to the people who put in the irrigation system.
Speaker A:Be like, hey, buddies, can you.
Speaker A:Can you add something over here?
Speaker B:Makes sense.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's pretty much like.
Speaker A:I feel like I do that.
Speaker A:I am doing it every day.
Speaker A:So I feel that that's my life right now is walking around with a hose or a sprinkler, depending on.
Speaker A:Waiting on how I feel that time.
Speaker B:That's exciting.
Speaker A:And just watering dirt and moving from and trying to make hoses, not kink.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker A:Dirty, kinky hoises.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm shaming my.
Speaker A:My kink toes.
Speaker A:For shame.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm kink shaming your hose.
Speaker A:What have you been up to?
Speaker B:I made a quick trip down to Austin to see some music at Arlen Studios, and that was pretty fun.
Speaker B:Quick trip.
Speaker B:And then I went back to the State Fair of Texas, which is super fun again, but this time with my niece.
Speaker B:So we got to share in our.
Speaker B:Our joint appreciation of cotton candy and baby animals at the petting zoo and go down a giant slide.
Speaker A:Those are all good things.
Speaker A:I'm glad nobody got stuck on the giant slide.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, no getting stuck on the giant slide.
Speaker B:I did have to go up a lot of steps which was unpleasant.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's the thing about.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:To go up.
Speaker A:To go down, you have to go up.
Speaker B:You do.
Speaker B:Unless you're on system.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I think that's about it in my little world.
Speaker B:We're just getting ready for the invasion car show.
Speaker B:Oh and then I bought a bunch of Halloween at Target.
Speaker B:It was good.
Speaker A:I was excited.
Speaker A:I have all their birds.
Speaker B:I bought two birds.
Speaker B:Dave really wanted one of them.
Speaker B:He wanted Shady really bad.
Speaker B:And that's the one that looks like it's got like cat ears on.
Speaker B:It's really silly looking.
Speaker B:I've costume.
Speaker A:Yes, I have.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They're all adorable.
Speaker A:And I couldn't choose so.
Speaker A:And I justify by saying I put them in my mother's house.
Speaker A:So they're in my mom's house.
Speaker B:So I'm decorating.
Speaker A:So they're a gift.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So I Not just me over consuming stupid birds that I only.
Speaker A:And the thing is like they'll stay out like most of the time.
Speaker A:The persons who came over to help me.
Speaker A:That's the other thing I've been doing is just assembling furniture.
Speaker A:I have so many more things to assemble.
Speaker A:And the people who came over to bring my.
Speaker A:My new couch because I finally got a couch which is nice.
Speaker A:Sitting on the floor was not fun.
Speaker A:But they're like you're.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker A:This how this place is giving a very Halloweeny vibe.
Speaker A:And my place isn't even decorated.
Speaker B:I was gonna say that's.
Speaker B:This is your year round vibe.
Speaker B:This is not.
Speaker A:It's not even my.
Speaker A:It's not even my decorated year round vibe.
Speaker A:It's just me having like thrown everywhere that just happens to be all spooky.
Speaker B:So spooky.
Speaker A:So spooky.
Speaker A:They also said that my home smelled like herb oil.
Speaker A:And I will just let that.
Speaker A:You can just determine what.
Speaker A:What herb oil is.
Speaker B:And they're.
Speaker A:And then I think they meant essential oils.
Speaker A:But herb oil also works.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:So that's what's going on in our lives in the SPN land.
Speaker A:Not a ton is going on.
Speaker A:There's a sad news that Countdown was canceled.
Speaker A:But you know Padalecki got a commercial with Logan from Gilmore Girls and they filmed it.
Speaker A:It was for Panera Bread.
Speaker A:So at least they filmed it in Kyle a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker A:So there'll be a new Padaleggi Panera Bear commercial.
Speaker A:And they still haven't put a release date on the boys.
Speaker A:But yep.
Speaker A:So that's pretty much what's going on in their world.
Speaker A:Conventions are still happening.
Speaker A:So let's talk about this episode.
Speaker A:So this episode, like I said, with the title of Hell's angel, which is a play on.
Speaker A:I'm not going to tell you it's a play on.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You're smarter than that.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:And we start this off in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker A:So we're in the desert.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And we've got this guy walking to a tent with a big water.
Speaker B:What do you call those?
Speaker B:It's a big water tank.
Speaker B:Like, carrier tank.
Speaker B:And I know what they're called, and I can't think of it.
Speaker A:Camelback.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:No, that's.
Speaker B:That's not.
Speaker A:I was making a bad joke about it being in the desert.
Speaker B:Oh, I know.
Speaker A:Anyways, so.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:So anyhow, there are men inside this tent, and they're about to eat when it starts to shake, shake, shake.
Speaker B:And Crowley's there.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:And he says, where is he?
Speaker B:And they pull back a curtain, and there's this guy, like, dying in a bed.
Speaker B:And apparently he sold his soul for a good life.
Speaker B:At the time, it seemed like it was worth it.
Speaker B:But now.
Speaker A:And it always seems like a good idea at the time.
Speaker A:And Crowley does have his contract with him.
Speaker A:And so he looks like Crowley is going to make a trade for this contract for something this guy has.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And this guy has a hand of God.
Speaker B:It is the horn of Joshua.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:Sure, it's.
Speaker B:And Crowley can tell that it's authentic by, like, smelling and sensing its power or something.
Speaker A:And he can feel its authentic power just rating off of it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And this guy's like, I know I'm gonna die.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And Crowley's like, here's your contract torn up.
Speaker B:And by the way, I'm gonna snap your neck.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And does that really end your contract?
Speaker B:Well, like, he ripped the contract up.
Speaker B:So if the contract.
Speaker B:Here's the thing.
Speaker B:Like, okay, you sold yourself.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's my thing.
Speaker B:I'm like, well, you were like, you made a bad choice.
Speaker B:You think you're going to heaven now just because you got your soul back or were you trying to do some good at the very end to try to balance this out?
Speaker A:And I don't think he did, based on the.
Speaker A:That he was keeping.
Speaker A:That all.
Speaker A:Try and point.
Speaker A:That all have guns that they point at Crowley.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, they maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe don't look like, the nicest of fellas.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker B:And the three guys are pointing their guns at Crowley.
Speaker B:And then he uses his Crowley magic to make them point the guns at each other and kill themselves.
Speaker B:Ish.
Speaker A:Each other.
Speaker B:Kill each other.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:They kill each other.
Speaker A:So he does that.
Speaker A:And we cut from that to him walking in the rain.
Speaker A:And I feel like he would have some way to not be wet.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I just made these guys shoot each other.
Speaker B:And now he can't keep himself from getting rained.
Speaker A:Like, he can't put, like, a little umbrella over his head or.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:So conjure a real umbrella.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Something.
Speaker A:But so he does that.
Speaker A:And he's.
Speaker A:But he's on the phone with Dean, and he's very.
Speaker A:About the fact that he's got the solution.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:In fact, he's so glad Dean should be doing a jig.
Speaker B:But Dean doesn't do jigs.
Speaker A:He doesn't jig.
Speaker A:He uses jig as a verb, which I appreciate.
Speaker A:I guess it is a verb.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:And he's like, how do I know that Lucifer is not making you, like, orchestrating this?
Speaker B:Making you call me now and tell me this?
Speaker B:Like, how do.
Speaker B:How do I know that you're actually, like, legit?
Speaker B:And Crowley's like, why on earth would I.
Speaker B:Why would.
Speaker B:Why would Lucifer even do that?
Speaker B:Number one.
Speaker B:But also, no.
Speaker B:No way.
Speaker B:And we see an SUV full of armed demons hunting for Crowley on the street.
Speaker B:So Crowley is like, look, I have this energy weapon that's powerful enough to destroy the darkness and destroy Lucifer, and poofs himself up to a spot out of the rain and out of line of sight of the demons.
Speaker B:And basically hangs up on team.
Speaker A:And we cut from there to Amara.
Speaker A:And Amara is going to.
Speaker A:Going some sort of Reiki.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Courtesy of Rowena, who isn't dead.
Speaker A:Hooray.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Crazy.
Speaker B:And she's explaining that she just uses natural forces to help the less fortunate.
Speaker B:That's so Rowena.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker A:She is a giver.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Amara's like, yeah, but I also know you're Uncle Crowley's mother.
Speaker A:Oh, Uncle Crowley.
Speaker A:And that makes Amara really confused about Rowena helping her.
Speaker A:And she is always confused about people helping her, because people always Amara over.
Speaker A:If I was Amara, I wouldn't trust anybody either.
Speaker B:Yeah, but they don't trust her.
Speaker B:So it's kind of like she's the Darkness.
Speaker B:But, I mean, at least she's, like, here.
Speaker A:But she's not.
Speaker A:She's not deceiving.
Speaker A:She's not lying, at least.
Speaker A:Like, she's straightforward.
Speaker A:And if she says she's gonna do something, she's gonna do something.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But Rowena, she is talking about the fact that she actually knows Lucifer.
Speaker A:And she knows Lucifer well.
Speaker B:And she's got her own ax to grind, but she is a survivor.
Speaker B:And she had all this powerful magic prepped in advance, stored in a.
Speaker B:Like a line in her thigh so that when she.
Speaker B:When Lucifer tried to kill her, her magic revived her when it felt her dying.
Speaker B:It's kind of crazy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she basically has that bedded inside of her.
Speaker B:And even it was like.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was like a safety switch.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so even though when she's coming back to life, her makeup still looks amazing, which is why I have sparkly eyeshadow on to night.
Speaker A:And I, like, line my eyes with it like she did, because, you know, it looked really cute.
Speaker A:So Amara wants to go after Lucifer, but Rowena is like, no, we gotta fix you first.
Speaker A:And why she wants to do this is she wants to be by her side when she rules.
Speaker A:So Rowena has now gone to.
Speaker A:Is now playing the Amara side because she thinks that's the one that's gonna win in the fight.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Sort.
Speaker B:And Sam and Dean are entering a very cobwebby warehouse.
Speaker B:Very cobwebby.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker B:And Crowley is there waiting for them.
Speaker B:And he's like, I'm lucky to be alive after Lucifer.
Speaker B:Trust me.
Speaker B:Like a dog in my own palace.
Speaker B:Means.
Speaker B:Like a palace.
Speaker B:You mean the nut house?
Speaker B:So it's kind of funny.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he tells them all their woes and they just don't seem sad.
Speaker A:And he's like, fine, well, what about the fact I've got the Horn of Joshua?
Speaker A:And they're like, well, where's your if?
Speaker B:And he has an if.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:And his.
Speaker B:His if is he wants to.
Speaker B:Wants them to take.
Speaker B:Get rid of Lucifer first.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's his if.
Speaker B:You can have the Horn of Joshua if you get Lucifer back in the cage.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they're like, well, we can't do that because the first time we did that, we had Rowena and we had the book, and we don't have those things now.
Speaker A:And, like, where is Rowena?
Speaker A:And he's like, well, her neck was snapp by Lucifer, so we don't have her oops.
Speaker A:And so they think that that's a problem.
Speaker A:So while they're just, like, determining that we flip away from there up to Heaven.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we've got just Jophiel.
Speaker B:Joffiel is the angel walking down the hallway.
Speaker B:And I guess this is, like, checking on different people's heavens.
Speaker B:He's got, like, this device that he presses to the doors and, like, checks.
Speaker B:It's like, I guess, is he qc?
Speaker B:Is he Heaven qc, I guess, walking down the hall, and suddenly Lucifer is there.
Speaker B:And he's immediately recognized, and he's like, oh, heaven's most wanted possessed by heaven's most hated.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So the castifer is really making an entrance into heaven.
Speaker A:But poor Jophiel, he just does not know when to keep his mouth shut.
Speaker A:And so he gets smoked.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Real fast.
Speaker B:That's kind of crazy.
Speaker B:He gets.
Speaker B:I mean, I guess you could.
Speaker B:We knew that, like, he had just got smoted in heaven.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I haven't smoked.
Speaker A:Well, it is.
Speaker A:By Lucifer.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So the angels, though, now, like, they have all gathered around Cassifer, who is taunting them about their smiting failures.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they're like, yeah, your lesson is that you need me, so.
Speaker B:And they're like, well.
Speaker B:Well, you just kind of, like, smote Joffrel.
Speaker B:That wasn't very nice of you.
Speaker B:You exploded him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they're like, remember that God cast you out of heaven because you're supposed to be, like, super bad?
Speaker B:And he's like, oh, it's.
Speaker B:That's just a tabloid headline.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it is.
Speaker A:You know the Lucifer argument that he typically makes that God is the one who's, like, saying that he is evil, and it is all because he didn't love mankind as much as God.
Speaker A:God loves mankind.
Speaker A:And an angel is like, but that's God's creation.
Speaker A:And Picasso is like, a Prius is better.
Speaker A:Look at all the.
Speaker A:That humans do.
Speaker A:Although we did make the Prius.
Speaker A:So I don't know.
Speaker A:Your argument may be moot there, but.
Speaker B:Then there's a flaw in this.
Speaker A:There's a flaw in your argument.
Speaker A:But he does bring up all the shitty things that humans have done.
Speaker A:And then they keep getting reboots.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:We don't.
Speaker A:Maybe we get some sort of flood or a plague, but God keeps just letting us go on being.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:That's my word, not his.
Speaker B:Well, yes.
Speaker B:And then he was.
Speaker B:You know, and they're like, but God called you evil incarnate.
Speaker B:And he was like, that's just marketing.
Speaker B:Can't have a super savior without a super villain.
Speaker A:And not wrong.
Speaker A:You know, it's for a more powerful story and a more powerful myth.
Speaker A:You know, when you have a villain like that in there.
Speaker A:We actually look at you.
Speaker A:How rare.
Speaker A:You know, Lucifer actually is in the Bible anyhow, so.
Speaker A:But Lucifer also is just being like, look, you know, what I can do for you is I can lock Amara away for good.
Speaker A:And I have done it before.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they're like, wait, wait.
Speaker B:I need clarity on this.
Speaker B:What's going to happen after you put her away?
Speaker B:I assume you'll want to stick around after that.
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Maybe you could call me God.
Speaker B:Gasps.
Speaker B:Gasps all around.
Speaker B:Lucifer wants to be God.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Which is not surprising to.
Speaker A:To anybody not with his ego the size of Heaven.
Speaker A:So we cut back to St. Louis, and Dean says, the order half of the killing, though.
Speaker A:He's like, you can't kill Lucifer first because we need Lucifer in order Amara.
Speaker B:Yeah, but how are we gonna get Amara without that?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He cannot get over the fact that he had to clean a floor with his tongue.
Speaker A:And so he's just like, no, we gotta put him.
Speaker B:Now, I'm amused that he shared that with them.
Speaker B:Like, you would think that might.
Speaker B:You might be.
Speaker B:Want that outside of the circle of trust of those demons that were there and of Lucifer.
Speaker B:But he's like, no, I had to clean the.
Speaker B:To the floor with my tongue while I was called Puppy.
Speaker B:I'm like, I'm just interested that he shared that mental picture with Sam and Dean.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And just giving them fodder in general.
Speaker A:And so while Dean is arguing, they also need to exercise Cass out of Lucifer first.
Speaker A:That's apparently news to Sam.
Speaker A:And Sam then argues with him.
Speaker A:And Dean brings up his argument that sometimes during sex, he wants to get some.
Speaker A:Slapped by a girl wearing a Zorro mask.
Speaker A:And that doesn't mean that that's a good idea.
Speaker A:And Crowley really enjoyed that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That sharing from Dean.
Speaker B:Well, Sam's argument, though, is that it was Castiel's choice and therefore his risk to be possessed because he thought it was the right thing to do to solve this issue.
Speaker B:So this is the crux of his argument.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so it's his choice.
Speaker A:And so you have to respect Cass's choice.
Speaker B:Yeah, but.
Speaker B:And then Crowley's just pretty annoyed listening to them bicker in general.
Speaker B:And he's like, fine, I'm just going to keep the horn hidden until y' all agree with me and Lucifer gets back in his cage.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:That's all Lucifer's got.
Speaker A:And we switch from that back to wherever Amara and Rowena are, which is.
Speaker B:A very weird place, whatever it is.
Speaker B:It looks Kind of something like hell ish.
Speaker B:But it's like.
Speaker B:I don't know, it's very tall ceilings.
Speaker B:That's what I know.
Speaker A:It's very tall.
Speaker B:Very tall ceilings and a lot of stone or concrete work.
Speaker B:And she's.
Speaker B:I don't know, it's.
Speaker B:It's a weird scene.
Speaker B:Rowena's kind of happy.
Speaker B:Amara's asking questions and just isn't really, like, convinced.
Speaker B:Is confused at Rowena's kindness because she doesn't sense her care.
Speaker B:Because she doesn't sense kindness in her.
Speaker B:Interesting observation.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Rowena aptly says that kindness does not get you a seat at the big boys table.
Speaker A:So she is just going.
Speaker A:Knowing, like, what she has to do in order to get the place that she wants to be.
Speaker A:And the first thing, though, that she wants is revenge on Lucifer, and she wants to be there when the universe is remade in Amaris taste.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Amara's kind of like.
Speaker B:A lot of people don't really like my taste.
Speaker B:Are you sure about that?
Speaker A:It's kind of catastrophic.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But then she's like, what the Winchester is called destruction.
Speaker A:I call renovation.
Speaker A:Which, you know, sometimes you do have to burn things down in order to rebuild them.
Speaker A:So Rowena, though, is just doing Rowena stuff.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And she's trying to be useful, tell Amara all the things that she can do for her.
Speaker B:Look how useful I am.
Speaker B:Please don't kill me.
Speaker B:That's what Rowena's doing.
Speaker B:I'm going to make you better.
Speaker B:Please don't kill me, because I can help.
Speaker A:Well, I don't think Rowena, at this point, really understands how scary Amara is.
Speaker A:I think at this point, she's not really, like.
Speaker A:She's just trying to get on her good side.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I think she, like, knows she's, like, powerful, but I don't think she really understands, because we'll see that, you know, as we're going through.
Speaker A:And Rowena does make the mistake of trying to touch Amara.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And, like, Amara's like, the you doing.
Speaker A:And I. I have.
Speaker A:I. I know I've made that face so many times, and people try to touch me, and Rowena then just, like, pulls her handbag, is like, oh, just.
Speaker A:Was just smoothing out my face here.
Speaker A:And wasn't touching.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker B:Clearly, you don't want me to touch you.
Speaker B:Super.
Speaker B:I mean, she's like, I can be your friend, and your confidence.
Speaker B:Shouldn't say friend, but that's basically what she's trying to be like, your pal.
Speaker A:And your confidence, they Want to be golden girls together.
Speaker A:So Amara's like, I feel pretty good.
Speaker A:I want to test some out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But Lucifer has finished his angel meeting up in heaven at this point, and he's like, y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:He's talking about, like, he's a bunch of corporate speak as they leave the room and kind of like giving them like, you're on my team.
Speaker B:You're my kind of guy.
Speaker B:Like, get your team on board.
Speaker B:It's just real awkward as they're all leaving.
Speaker B:But one had been kind of questioning him a lot, and he's kind of stops him and is like, I want your people on.
Speaker B:On our side.
Speaker B:And he who hesitates disintegrates.
Speaker B:This is hot take for that poor guy.
Speaker B:Poor angel.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Anyway, motivational poster.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Sam is cursing out Crowley, calling it a dick move for him to hide the horn until they get loose or put away.
Speaker B:But Crowley's like, I don't have to be reasonable because I'm a king.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:And as all of this is happening, Amara decides to.
Speaker B:To flex.
Speaker B:She's gonna flex?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:She wants to get some stuff off her chest.
Speaker B:And she stands in the middle of the room and yells, hear me.
Speaker B:And I probably could have done it.
Speaker B:She goes, hear me.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Heaven's shaking.
Speaker B:There's black clouds shooting down the hallways in Heaven.
Speaker B:Sam and Dean hear a bunch of clanking around, and things are shaking.
Speaker B:We've got angels running around in Heaven.
Speaker B:We've got all kinds of this black smoke chasing them.
Speaker B:Lucifer's grinning on the floor.
Speaker B:And outside of the warehouse, Sam, Dan, and Crowley see these crazy ass storm clouds.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's chaos.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:But Cassifer is going to use that to his political advantage.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because he.
Speaker B:Lucifer's like, no, no.
Speaker B:This is payback for smiting her.
Speaker B:And just a little taste of what she's got.
Speaker B:This is why you need me.
Speaker A:And you know, and basically also reiterates that God doesn't care about them.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And Amara is just happy as.
Speaker B:As can be.
Speaker B:She's like, I'm back.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:Thanks, Rowena.
Speaker A:And Rowena is now terrified.
Speaker A:Now she's.
Speaker B:Now she's scared, as she should be.
Speaker B:As she should be.
Speaker B:Late to the party.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think she really, like, has finally figured out what the she got.
Speaker A:Has gotten herself into.
Speaker A:Even though this mess was already big before, this is maybe even more than Rowena can handle.
Speaker A:But in order to try and keep being useful, she is going to use her eyeballs in the back of her head to listen To Sam and Dean.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And so Salmon, Dean and Crowley are still talking about what's going on.
Speaker B:He's like, she rattled heaven with a flake of a flick of a pinky.
Speaker B:That's a really big, you know, just reality for.
Speaker B:They're just discussing what a big deal this is.
Speaker B:And Rowena's watching this.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, look, we've gotta.
Speaker B:You've got to give us the horn so we can take.
Speaker B:Give it to Lucifer so he can take care of Amara.
Speaker B:And Rowena is remote viewing all of this.
Speaker A:She is nice callback.
Speaker A:And so she.
Speaker A:While she's doing that, then Amara is like, okay, so what'd you see?
Speaker A:So she can't share like, her.
Speaker A:Her viewing with Amara.
Speaker A:So Mara doesn't know what she saw.
Speaker A:And Rowena lies and tells her that the Winchesters are paralyzed with fear.
Speaker A:And so now we know, like, Rowena is now double crossing everybody because it's Rowena.
Speaker B:Yeah, double cross.
Speaker B:Double cross.
Speaker B:And Crowley at the warehouse is just super annoyed that Salmon are convince sense that Lucifer's the only one that can use the horn on Amara.
Speaker B:And they're like, yeah, and we need the horn for that plan.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, my offer stands.
Speaker B:You've got to get rid of Lucifer first, and then you can have the horn.
Speaker B:And he's like, we have round and round.
Speaker B:We had Rowena in the book before, and that's what we need.
Speaker B:And so then as they're standing there, it like, welds letters start like, appearing on this metal door next to him.
Speaker B:And it says, back from the dead, Fergus.
Speaker A:Which is such a nicer messaging device in a blood bowl.
Speaker A:And I do feel like AC DC or something.
Speaker A:Should have been playing when that happened.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So in order to meet up with Rowena, we have to go to another or the same, I'm not sure.
Speaker A:Just an abandoned church.
Speaker B:Another church?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And so it could be the same one from before.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:It could be.
Speaker B:They could.
Speaker B:So we've got a big old sigil on the floor, they're painting, and Rowena's there with them.
Speaker B:So now we've got Sam and Dina, Rowena and Crowley shows up with the horn.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, we still, you know, we should be using it.
Speaker B:Not just you, you know, not just, you know, enticing with it.
Speaker B:But anyways, Crowley doesn't give a. Crowley's sticking with his plan.
Speaker B:They agreed to it is the implication.
Speaker B:And that's what we're doing.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker A:And Sam's just Not impressed with the horn.
Speaker A:And Crowley's still not impressed with Sam and.
Speaker A:But also, like, the horn, like, put it in a box.
Speaker A:Y' all keep getting these hands of God and just, like, carrying them around in, like, paper towels and, you know, like, at least, like, it was in a box.
Speaker A:Aluminum foil or something.
Speaker B:Like, I. Crowley got it out of a box.
Speaker B:Why did he not take the box with him?
Speaker B:It was a very odd choice in Saudi Arabia for him to just leave.
Speaker A:Because if you're not supposed to be touching, I mean, I guess maybe it's easier to hide that in your pants if you don't just think about trying.
Speaker B:To, like, shove that horn in your pants but not touch your skin.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That seems like a lot.
Speaker A:Yep, that seems like a lot.
Speaker A:It should be in a box.
Speaker B:Should be in a box.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:So Dean's doing a spell incantation to summon Lucifer.
Speaker A:Well, wouldn't it be fun if you could summon Lucifer?
Speaker A:Because you can.
Speaker A:So we're going to talk about summoning Lucifer.
Speaker A:Before we do that, though, there's one thing I want to say.
Speaker A:There was something that was kind of wrong in the canon there because Crowley is talking about the warding and the oil, and he says that it's only going to keep an archangel for a minute, which contradicts earlier when Gabriel and Raphael, like, would be stuck in there forever.
Speaker A:So just want to point that out that that's something to think about as we're going.
Speaker A:When he goes in there later and the fire starts burning down, is that because it's Lucifer or is that what.
Speaker A:But that was a discontinuity from earlier.
Speaker A:So anyways, now we're going to talk about some lore and talk about summoning Lucifer.
Speaker A:So we're going to talk about.
Speaker A:About La Dragon Rouge, which is the Grand Grimoire, also known as the Red Dragon.
Speaker A: ions that go back to at least: Speaker A: on was likely produced around: Speaker A:It became the first mass market grimoire and really profited from the growth of bookstores and the rise of these things called chapbooks, which were the cheap print book, printable booklets, you know, so people could actually just get things to kind of read around.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A: d two copies for five sous in: Speaker A:And that bookseller told him that he had sold hundreds of copies of people all over the countryside.
Speaker A:But I think that was just an antidote and maybe not Necessarily true.
Speaker A:But some thought that just owning a grimoire like this offered magical protection.
Speaker A:Others use their copies to impress people and defraud them.
Speaker A:And just possession of these books could convince other people that you were a magical adept.
Speaker A:The clergy, of course, were not fans and said anyone possessing or desiring such a book was committing a grave blasphemy.
Speaker A:So even just thinking about this book was a bad, bad sin.
Speaker B:Wild.
Speaker A: But it was so popular that in: Speaker A:And in German it was Der Ward Farker Farfarfarker Der Wardhaftig.
Speaker A:I know I'm not going to say it so, but it was a true fiery dragon.
Speaker A:And so this is a popular enough book that it's getting published in multiple countries across Europe and being translated.
Speaker A:It's primarily taken from the Keys of Solomon and within its pages are instructions for a Karcist or a sorcerer to summon and make a pact with Lucifuge Rofakal, who is a demon that commands the earth's riches and treasures and who help, can help you secure the service of more demons.
Speaker A:And if you can't make a proper magical circle or a wand, AKA the blasting rod, then the book will tell you how to make a pact.
Speaker A:But you can't make a pact with Lucifer, Beelzebub or Astaroth with those.
Speaker A:You have to make them with their lieutenants.
Speaker A:Do not confuse Lucifuge Rufical, however, with the Nicaraguan black metal band either.
Speaker A:If you're trying to summon him, so summon the metal band, or you can summon Lou Fousho Zee.
Speaker A:So we're going to discuss some of the things in Le Dragon Rouge.
Speaker A: Peterson that was updated in: Speaker A:And the majority of the English translation is from the Book of Black Magic and Pax by Arthur Edward White.
Speaker A:And portions of the translation were supplied by Peterson.
Speaker A:So there's a.
Speaker A:There are a lot of different versions of his book and there's a lot of this is the real one and this is a fake one, you know, so this one, I just enjoyed some of the content of it.
Speaker A:So the Grand Grimoire, or also the art of controlling celestial, aerial, terrestrial and infernal spirits with the true secret of speaking with the dead, winning whenever, playing the lottery, discovering hidden treasures, etc.
Speaker A: printed from a manuscript of: Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So the first chapter explains that unlike the other books that are out there to steal money from the dumb, this one is legit.
Speaker A:And comes directly from the genuine writings of the mighty King Solomon.
Speaker A:This book will teach you the evocation of all hierarchies of spirit by the recitation of certain sublime appellations, honorifics.
Speaker A:And teach you how to make the dreadful blasting rod which causes spirits to tremble.
Speaker A:Chapter two prepares you to make a rod in how to make packs.
Speaker A:So there's some rules for this one.
Speaker A:You must go a week without women.
Speaker A:This doesn't say what to do if you are a woman, because what silly tart thinks she can do magic?
Speaker A:Number two, whenever you start your magical quarter, which I'm assuming is like a moon phase, you've got to pray twice a day to the Grand Master of Spirit.
Speaker A:It's either at noon, at midnight and midnight or at 7 in the morning and 7pm Then after that, you eat dinner, you take off your clothes, and then instead of sleeping, you meditate continually of what you're about to do.
Speaker A:So on number three, on the morning after the first night of the quarter, you go to a druggist and you get a hematite bloodstone.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:First you find a druggist.
Speaker A:Then you find one that carries hematite.
Speaker A:I suggest California.
Speaker A:Then you carry that around in case of an accident and in expectation that the spirit, quote, whom it is proposed to compel and bind, will henceforth do all in his power to overwhelm the operator with terror so as to incite him to abandon the enterprise, hoping in this manner to escape from the wilds which are about to be woven about him.
Speaker A:Him it has to do this with, but doesn't say, like what the.
Speaker A:How to use the stone to keep that from scaring you.
Speaker A:It just says to have the stone.
Speaker A:So step number four.
Speaker A:Buy a virgin goat to be decapitated on the third day of the moon.
Speaker A:But before you do that, tie a garland of vervain around its neck and secure it with a green whip ribbon.
Speaker A:The sacrifice must be offered on the scene of the coming evocation, A forlorn and isolated spot.
Speaker A:Free.
Speaker A:Spot free from all interruption.
Speaker A:Not spot free.
Speaker A:I mean, I guess it should be spot free, but you should also be free from interruption.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:The magician must have his right arm bared to the shoulder.
Speaker A:So asymmetrical clothing is really good.
Speaker A:Here.
Speaker A:You start a fire with oak wood and you need to have a steel knife.
Speaker A:Then you recite the following.
Speaker A:There's a bunch of words that you gotta say.
Speaker A:And then you have to slit the goat's throat.
Speaker A:Then you set it on fire.
Speaker A:Then you burn it to ashes.
Speaker A:But not before you Take off the skin so you can make a circle later.
Speaker A:Poor goat.
Speaker A:Chapter three.
Speaker A:That tells you how to make the mysterious wand, otherwise known as the destroying rod or the blasting rod.
Speaker A:So this is going to teach you how to make your magical rod number one.
Speaker A:On the eve of the enterprise, go in search of a wand or rod of wild hazel, which has never borne fruit and is 19.5 inches long.
Speaker A:I suggest it's very specific.
Speaker A:It is very specific.
Speaker A:And unless you have hazel growing in your yard, actually, you may need to do this because of what happens next.
Speaker A:Because when you have met with the wand of the required form, touch it not otherwise than with your eyes.
Speaker A:So if you already touched it, you it up.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:So you have to not touch it.
Speaker A:And so you have to watch it until morning.
Speaker A:So you stay there with your want.
Speaker B:With your rock, staring at a stick all night.
Speaker A:You stare at the stick all night.
Speaker A:And then as soon as the sun rises, you strip it of its leaves and lesser branches.
Speaker A:And you also have to you, the knife is supposed to be sacrificed.
Speaker A:I mean stained with a sacrifice of the blood of the goat because you weren't supposed to have wiped that blade.
Speaker A:So if you wipe that blade earlier, sorry, you have to start over and go kill another goat.
Speaker A:But you've got to do it in the corner, you know, so the whole thing.
Speaker A:So make sure you read these instructions all the way through.
Speaker B:Yeah?
Speaker A:Number two.
Speaker A:So, okay, the sun's risen, you've cut your stick.
Speaker A:You recite some more stuff.
Speaker A:You infuse your rod with the strength of Samson, some demons and some things.
Speaker A:And then you have to keep your eyes toward the rising sun.
Speaker A:Finish cutting your rod and take it home.
Speaker A:So while you stare directly at the sun, cut.
Speaker A:Use this knife to cut a rod.
Speaker A:You'll be fine.
Speaker A:Trust me.
Speaker B:Number sleep deprived.
Speaker A:You're already sleep deprived.
Speaker A:Then after you've done that, you've got to go look for a piece of ordinary wood, shape the two ends to resemble your actual rod and then take it to an iron smith.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:First you gotta find an ironsmith.
Speaker A:Again, I suggest Etsy.
Speaker A:You have them wield the steel blade of the sacrificial knife into two pointed caps and affix them to the ends, right?
Speaker A:So you now have the stick with some.
Speaker A:With some caps on it.
Speaker A:Number five.
Speaker A:You go home, you take the ends off that stick and then you put them on your real rod.
Speaker A:Then you get a piece of lodestone.
Speaker A:They didn't say to get lodestone earlier, but you got to get some lodestone.
Speaker A:And you magnetize the steel ends of that while you say some more words.
Speaker A:Words.
Speaker A:Did you know that you can use lodestone to magnetize?
Speaker A:So you're gonna take your lodestone, right?
Speaker A:And the you're gonna magnetize your steel ends while you say more words.
Speaker A:Then the next night, you're gonna collect your rod.
Speaker A:The goat skin, the bloodstone.
Speaker A:The two garlands are vervain.
Speaker A:Oh, I forgot to tell you to keep those two also.
Speaker A:It was two garlands, even though I only told you one.
Speaker A:I didn't say that.
Speaker A:But it was supposed to be two.
Speaker A:Anyways, you also need two candlesticks and kindles that are made of virgin wax by a virgin girl and duly blessed.
Speaker A:You need a new knife because you destroyed that other one.
Speaker A:You need two new flints with enough kindle to start a fire, a half a bottle of brandy, some blessed incense and camphor, and four nails from the coffin of a dead child.
Speaker A:Carry all of those to your area of the great circle, and then put everything down in this very exact, specific, general way, or nothing is going to work.
Speaker A:All right, so we're into chapter four.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker B:These instructions are terrible.
Speaker A:Yes, I think something may have been lost in translation.
Speaker A:Hopefully, the dragon Rouge has some.
Speaker A:Some issues, but.
Speaker A:Okay, so number four tells you how to make the circle.
Speaker A:You gotta make the circle, right?
Speaker A:So you make a circle using strips of the goat skin, which you nail to the ground with the four nails.
Speaker A:Nails.
Speaker A:Then you take the bloodstone.
Speaker A:You trace a triangle within the circle, starting at the eastern point.
Speaker A:You may need a compass.
Speaker A:The shopping list is really missing a lot of stuff.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Then you draw a large a, a small e, a small a, a small J, so that way the spirits can't harm you.
Speaker A:Come from behind.
Speaker A:Then the sorcerer and his assistants, because, oh, my God, their assistants.
Speaker B:Now, where did that come from?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:But now you have people.
Speaker A:So now the sorcerer and the assistants get to go into their places in the triangle, ignoring any noises they hear.
Speaker A:And they set the two candlesticks and the vervain crowns, because you were supposed.
Speaker B:To put them into crowns, not just garlands.
Speaker A:Now they're crowns, not just garlands.
Speaker A:Maybe your assistants can do that so that you put the candles on and the crowns on the right and the left sides of the triangle and the circle.
Speaker A:Then you light the candles and put a new brassiere.
Speaker A:Not a.
Speaker A:Not a bra.
Speaker A:Brassiere.
Speaker A:And so that also wasn't on the list, but you put that in front of the sorcerer, and then you put some new charcoal into that.
Speaker A:Seriously, you gotta have, like, Uber Eats coming.
Speaker A:Like, probably just like, obviously.
Speaker A:Here's your charcoal.
Speaker A:Here's all this that I forgot to tell you.
Speaker A:All right, so then you take the brandy and you drink some.
Speaker A:No, it doesn't say that.
Speaker A:It says you take the brandy and some of the camphor and you keep some of that for later in case it needs to be stoked.
Speaker A:And you throw that into the brassiere, and then you say some words about how awesome your instances.
Speaker A:Oh, also, you can't be wearing any alloy metal on you, except that you need a gold or a silver coin wrapped in paper so that you take and you fling it into the spirit when it appears outside your circle.
Speaker A:Otherwise it's going to hurt you.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:So you've got to have this coin on you that you're throwing into the spirit.
Speaker A:If it shows up, he's like, ah, here's a coin.
Speaker A:Point.
Speaker B:Then.
Speaker A:Also, your assistants aren't allowed to speak, even if the spirit asks them things.
Speaker A:So if they said something, you need to start over because it's ruined.
Speaker A:Thanks, Tommy.
Speaker A:So if you have not up yet, you say two more prayers and you offer up the incense, and you are ready to do your first conjuration of Lucifer, because that is what this book says here.
Speaker A:Now, this may be a typo, and this should have been a different Lucifer here, but that's what it says says.
Speaker A:So you say some more words, including, Emperor Lucifer, master and prince of rebellious spirits, I adjure thee to leave thine abode in whatsoever quarter of the world may be situated and come hither to communicate with me.
Speaker A:I command, and I conjure thee in the name of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:Then you tell them to appear without noise and without any evil smell, to respond to the clear and intelligible voice, point by point, to all that I shall ask thee, failing which thou shall be most surely compelled to obedience by the divine.
Speaker A:You say a bunch of names and people that scare them with.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And so very demanding invitation.
Speaker A:So we were beyond making a circle.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:You got to be very specific, right?
Speaker A:Because what if you don't say, don't show up smelly.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:And then you get a smelly Lucifer.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So, okay, in the second conservation, you're commanding Lucifer or Lucifer to quit thine abode, right?
Speaker A:And do it again.
Speaker A:And then he said, swearing that I will give thee one quarter of an hour alone if thou dost not straightaway come hither and communicate with me in an audible and intelligible voice, or if thy Personal presence be impossible.
Speaker A:Dispatch me thy messenger Astera, in a human form without either noise or evil smell.
Speaker A:Failing which, I will smite thee and thy whole race with a terrible blasting rod into the depth of the bottomless abysses.
Speaker A:Note before your third conjuration, if the spirit is not obeying, read some more words.
Speaker A:Then you gotta smite all the spirits by plunging both the fort extremities of your rod into the flames.
Speaker A:Now, I'm not sure how you do that with a straight stick unless you're doing it one at a time.
Speaker A:So you're like one in the other way.
Speaker A:Smite one way, smite the other way.
Speaker A:It doesn't seem very aggressive.
Speaker A:But you're not supposed to get scared.
Speaker A:If there's frightful howls that occur while you're doing this, and those are just naturally things that are occurring.
Speaker A:And if there's still no spirit, you've got to plunge the rods back into the fire and say the following from the Grand Clavicle of Solomon and Glad Solomon's got a clavicle.
Speaker A:And I adjure thee, O Spirit, by the power of the great Adonai to appear instanter.
Speaker A:And by Elio, by Ariel, by Jehovah.
Speaker A:It goes a whole bunch of names and then it goes.
Speaker A:And little C, dot, big case, a big case, E big case, a big case, J, big kiss, A, T, M. Oh, it's like my password.
Speaker A:So you've got to say your password out loud and you've got to say that whole thing twice.
Speaker A:Then a spirit manifestation should appear and it should say, lo, I am here.
Speaker A:What doubt thou seek of me?
Speaker A:Why does thou disturb my repose?
Speaker A:Spite me no more with that dread rod.
Speaker A:Then you get really passive aggressive and you say, had Sal appeared when I first invoked thee, I had by no means smitten thee.
Speaker A:Remember?
Speaker A:If the request which I make thee be refused, I am determined to torment thee eternally.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:And then the spirit will cave and you present him your desire that I require that thou shalt communicate two several times.
Speaker A:That means twice on each night of the week, either with myself or those who are entrusted with my present book, the which thou shalt approve and sign, I permit thee the choice of those hours which may suit thee.
Speaker A:If thou a private not those which I now enumerate to wit, on Monday at 9 o' clock and at midnight, on Tuesday at 10 o' clock and at 1 in the morning, on Wednesday at 11 o' clock and at 2 in the morning, at Thursday at 8 and 10 o', clock, on Friday at 7 in the evening and at midnight on Saturday at 9 in the evening and 11 at night.
Speaker A:So further, I command thee to surrender me the nearest treasure.
Speaker A:And I promise the as a reward, the first piece of gold or silver which I touch with my hands on the first day of every month, such as my divine demand.
Speaker B:Okay, that's a very specific schedule and a weird one.
Speaker A:Yes, it's.
Speaker A:It's very calendly.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I understand like you couldn't see their Google calendar, so you're not sure what times they are going to be available.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:I appreciate that you offering these times, but what if Monday at 9 and midnight doesn't work for Luca Fouche?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's a lot to ask.
Speaker B:I need to like calendar and what week is it like?
Speaker B:I don't know, man.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:You know, it's ev.
Speaker A:This is a recurring meeting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the spirit will still say they can't do it unless you give them 50 years body and soul.
Speaker A:So you.
Speaker A:Then you've got to keep plunging your blasting rod into the fire and you just keep repeating that clavicle until it submits and it does agree to do whatever thou desires to several times and every night of the week, including Monday at 10 o' clock and at midnight on Tuesday at 11 o' clock and one in the morning on Wednesday at midnight and two in the morning on Thursday at 8 and 11.
Speaker A:Okay, so he.
Speaker B:I don't want to talk to anybody that much either.
Speaker B:Come on now.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:He also approves thy book and gives thee my true signature.
Speaker A:He places at myself at thy disposition to appear before thee, at thy call, being purified and holding the dreadful blasting rod.
Speaker A:And thou shalt open the book having described the Kabbalistic circle and pronounce the word Rofakal.
Speaker A:I promise thee to have friendly commerce with those who are fortified by the possession of the said book.
Speaker A:Book where my true signature stands.
Speaker A:Provided that they invoke me according to rule.
Speaker A:On the first occasion that they require me, I also engage to deliver thee the treasure which thou seekest on condition thou keepest the secret forever.
Speaker A:Inviolable, art charitable to the poor, and dost give me a gold or silver coin in the first day of every month.
Speaker A:If thou failest, thou art mine everlastingly.
Speaker A:So that's some pretty vague stipulations on their part too.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So I. I also appreciate they put the being kind in the.
Speaker A:The poor stipulation in there just to make sure you don't get too greedy when you get the stretcher Right.
Speaker A:So you agree to all this.
Speaker A:You point to the door with your rod, and you follow the spirit.
Speaker A:Your spirit.
Speaker A:Your assistant's got to stay in that circle, though.
Speaker A:And you're gonna see a large and fierce dog with a collar as resplendent as the sun.
Speaker A:That's a gnome.
Speaker A:You drive it away with your rod, but you follow it.
Speaker A:It'll take you to the treasure.
Speaker A:Then you gotta cast a spell on it and.
Speaker A:Oh, the treasure, not the dog talk.
Speaker A:And then you carry away what you can backwards, and you can't turn around, and the spirit then will take you back to the circle.
Speaker A:Then you dismiss.
Speaker A:Dismiss the spirit and you offer thanks.
Speaker A:So that is how you summon Lucifuge, Rofikal, or as they said there, Lucifer.
Speaker A:There are other instructions for summoning and making a pact, specifically with Lucifer, which we will come back to another time.
Speaker A:Time, however, though, because it is spooky season, we are gonna have some more lore in which I will give you some of the additional spells that were in this version, including how to get lucky, how to not to impregnate a woman, and so much more.
Speaker A:So catch that extra bonus episode that we'll be releasing.
Speaker A:Yeah, whenever I feel like it.
Speaker A:Sometime this week.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So back to the thunder crashing and Rowena hiding.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And Lucifer has appeared, right.
Speaker B:As Sam drops his the matchbook to trap him in the circle of fire in this sigil.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And Lucifer is like, oh, I thought your prayer implied that I was going to join the team.
Speaker B:I'm not feeling very warm and fuzzy.
Speaker B:But then he sees the horn, and he is like, ah.
Speaker B:He's like, that plus me ought to take Amara out.
Speaker B:Just gotta douse these flames, guys.
Speaker B:Just gotta let me out of the circle.
Speaker B:But Dean's like, no, no, no.
Speaker B:So he's gonna cut his hand and press it on another sigil to try to expel Lucifer from Cass, I guess, is what they're trying to do.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker A:Or to pull cast of cast to the front.
Speaker A:I think it is like the layers in Photoshop where you have to arrange them and bring them up and back.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So we're trying to push Cass forwards.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Dean's yelling for Cassiel to cast Lucifer out, but he's like.
Speaker B:But Lucifer is like, no, sorry.
Speaker B:You know, he's happy.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:And Dean just keeps calling out for him and gets mocked by Lucifer.
Speaker B:So he's like, look, I.
Speaker B:You got this weapon.
Speaker B:I can just wait until the wards fail, and then I'll just take it.
Speaker B:It Lucifer's like, this is not a problem for me at all.
Speaker B:So the wards are starting to fail.
Speaker B:We can tell.
Speaker B:And Crowley's like, bloody hell.
Speaker B:And he smokes out into Cassifer.
Speaker B:So there's three in there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And everyone's like, what the.
Speaker A:And we're going into Cass's brain.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And see what's been going inside of Cass this whole time.
Speaker B:And basically, Castiel is kicking it in the bunker kitchen, watching TV on an old antenna tv.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:I mean, that's what he's doing.
Speaker B:He's just hanging out, just hanging out.
Speaker B:And Crowley is there.
Speaker B:And just like.
Speaker B:Just like, what the.
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah, Lucifer mostly leaves me alone.
Speaker B:We're just waiting for the battle with the darkness.
Speaker B:Just hanging out.
Speaker B:And Carla's like, what the are you doing?
Speaker B:You need to snap out of it.
Speaker B:The Winchesters are, you know, are trying to get this figured out.
Speaker B:They're trying to expel you so they can put Lucifer back in the cage.
Speaker B:And guys like, huh, I don't think that's a very good idea.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:And Carly's like, what are you talking.
Speaker B:You are in no position to judge a good idea right now.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:The guy's like, oh, wait, I think I had a sodding.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He wants to expel Lucifer.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know about that.
Speaker B:Well, all of a sudden, Lucifer's there.
Speaker B:So now it's too late.
Speaker B:Now it is too late.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:And it's Mark.
Speaker A:And it's Mark P. Lucifer that is there.
Speaker A:So now we have, like, Lucifer, Lucifer.
Speaker B:Lucifer, Lucifer, Crowley, and Castiel all inside Castiel's head.
Speaker B:And he's like, you want to put me back in the cage?
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker B:I'm not going anywhere, and neither are you.
Speaker B:And so now, outside of the body, Sam and Dean are getting slightly concerned that this is taking a very long time.
Speaker B:And Rowena's like, yeah, you're idiots.
Speaker B:This is failing.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:And so Dean again, she's just pissed.
Speaker A:It's just like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:Like, I never picked the right side.
Speaker A:And you can't, Rowena.
Speaker B:You just can't.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And Dean's all upset, but inside Castiel's brain, Lucifer is now beating up.
Speaker B:Up Crowley and talking.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's the summary, I think.
Speaker B:And Cassiel's like, oh, they're gonna break something.
Speaker B:And then outside of his body, I don't know how he does it, because he's not in this body right Now Crowley makes his.
Speaker B:The forehead of his meat suit say, help me.
Speaker B:Like in a burn.
Speaker B:It's very creepy.
Speaker A:It is really creepy.
Speaker A:And some.
Speaker A:Some sort of magic that's going on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So then we go back inside their brain and we find out that what Lucifer is really mad about is that Crowley tried to replace him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the fight's ongoing, but Sam is going to start an exorcism outside, and Dean's throwing.
Speaker A:So how does that work?
Speaker B:Do they.
Speaker A:Does who owns the body?
Speaker B:I mean, doesn't it only expel demons?
Speaker A:No, because that's.
Speaker A:That spell is for expelling demons.
Speaker A:So Cass would stay, but would it.
Speaker A:Shouldn't Lucifer be expelled too?
Speaker A:I guess they just say that he's too strong for that exorcism spell.
Speaker B:I guess that's the implication, isn't.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, would they be mad if both of them got expelled?
Speaker B:I mean, I don't know if they'd be mad.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Because that's what Dean wanted to do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I think they're just trying anything at this point, but they don't really say.
Speaker B:And then they.
Speaker B:Inside the head, they hear this happening.
Speaker B:So Crowley is able to leave.
Speaker B:He leaves.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:I guess there's a distraction.
Speaker B:He's not getting his ass kicked.
Speaker A:So he can leave.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:And he goes back into his body and is like, Lucifer's hold on Castiel is too strong.
Speaker B:And as that happened, our wards fail.
Speaker A:No, I think.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think he didn't choose.
Speaker A:I think he got exercise.
Speaker A:I think that's why he got.
Speaker B:That's why he got.
Speaker A:It doesn't make sense.
Speaker A:Yeah, okay.
Speaker B:Well, he got out.
Speaker B:And outside Lucifer's like, yeah, you tried to trick and lie to me.
Speaker B:And we could have been friends, but whatever.
Speaker B:Not anymore.
Speaker B:And Carly has, of course, made an exit because, duh, he's.
Speaker B:He's getting the out.
Speaker B:So Lucifer is gonna force Sam and Dean to sit and giggle.
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah, our relationship run its course while Rowena's hiding during all this.
Speaker B:So he says that he's gonna kill Sam and Dean and then Amara, Kool Aid mans through the wall.
Speaker B:That's all I could envision.
Speaker B:The Brick spell.
Speaker B:And right then he.
Speaker B:You know, they're like, anyways, so we've got her.
Speaker B:She's in the room.
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah, you should have stayed sealed away.
Speaker B:But here we go.
Speaker B:I've got the cool horn now.
Speaker B:And he blasts the light at her, and she's Encased in this light that looks kind of like flames.
Speaker B:And then it fades away.
Speaker B:And the weapons spent, because we know these are all one and done now.
Speaker B:And she's completely unharmed.
Speaker B:This is not ideal.
Speaker B:Not ideal.
Speaker B:And so she summons Lucifer to her because they're going to have a nice, long chat as Dean calls out once again to Castiel, and she blasts away with Lucifer.
Speaker B:Boom.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Cassifer.
Speaker A:Because Cass is still in there.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they were not successful in getting that separated.
Speaker A:And Rorina runs, and the boys just kind of look at each other in confusion, and they go back to the.
Speaker B:Bunker where they drink a ton of beer, which, I mean, I kind of don't blame.
Speaker B:Not a lot of judgment on this one.
Speaker B:And they're like, like mother, like son.
Speaker B:They both take off, and they're like, well, I wonder what Rowena did, what she was doing with Amara.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, oh, she was playing odds, obviously.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, well, apparently, Archangel and God's power is not enough to take down God.
Speaker A:God's sister.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're gonna do some supernatural math.
Speaker A:So Archangel plus hand of God is not greater than God's sister.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:However, Archangel is not.
Speaker A:Is not God's chosen.
Speaker A:So the equation might be changed if you substitute Archangel with God's chosen, and then that may work.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But that's not the.
Speaker A:The equation they had.
Speaker B:So now.
Speaker A:That was your math for today.
Speaker B:That's your math for today.
Speaker B:So now we're back to square one.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the horns cashed, and Sam is.
Speaker A:This is a very interesting kind of, like, conversation between the two of them where Sam is apologizing for siding with Cass, but Dean's like, nope, we got this.
Speaker A:We have this policy now that we swore getting.
Speaker A:We swore off getting in the way when one person makes a choice the other one disagrees with.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's real weird that suddenly he's like that.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:This is very inconsistent.
Speaker B:But they swear that is the decision that was made.
Speaker B:I don't know when this has been applied consistently, but now they want to apply.
Speaker B:This is the.
Speaker B:Castiel decided to sacrifice himself for the greater good, to take this role because he thought this would win.
Speaker B:And so now we're going to accept that and let him play it out.
Speaker B:Now we go back to Amara and Lucifer, and she is going to slam him against a wall.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, I know we've got beef, but, you know, I could be of use.
Speaker B:We both have an ax to grind with God.
Speaker B:He can't handle both of us at the same time.
Speaker B:And she's like, no, I can't trust you.
Speaker B:I did once.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:What did you do?
Speaker B:You sealed me away.
Speaker B:Which is, like, kind of the whole point.
Speaker B:And so he's like, well, as God's favorite, I might be able to make him show himself, and then we can witness the destruction of creation.
Speaker B:And Lucifer's like, I'm not sure he's going to show, though.
Speaker B:And then she's gonna like.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:It's just really weird, like, blasting and glowing and a train.
Speaker B:It's odd.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The basic point is that Amara wants to try to.
Speaker A:She wants God to come out, and God is not coming out to meet her, so she thinks that maybe Lucifer is the one thing he can still care about, so she is going to hurt him until God shows up.
Speaker A:Up.
Speaker A:And he's just like, I don't think you need to count on God giving a about me because he hasn't shown up for me before.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker B:But they're at, like, a weird train yard.
Speaker B:It's a very odd scene.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, she's the Darkness.
Speaker A:She's gonna torture people.
Speaker A:Where she tortures them, I guess.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So do we have any.
Speaker A:Any angels or anybody to learn about?
Speaker B:Casting couch.
Speaker B:It's the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker A:La la la la la la la la la la la.
Speaker B:We got a couple of cast notes.
Speaker B:Noel was played by Andrew Wheeler.
Speaker B:It's Guy.
Speaker B:From beginning, he's been in episodes of MacGyver, Tin Man I Zombie, Riverdale, Fargo.
Speaker B:He was a.
Speaker B:The Mayflower Ring steward in Best in Show, a Guardsman in the Day the Earth Stood still, and the Sheriff in Goblin.
Speaker B:Joffreal Joffiel.
Speaker B:I always say it wrong.
Speaker B:Anyways, was played by Graham Duffy.
Speaker B:G R A E M E is his name.
Speaker B: Smallville, nine episodes of: Speaker B:He was in half a dozen episodes of Siren, a few episodes of Nancy Drew.
Speaker B:He was the orange elf in Elf.
Speaker B:He was a ad agency executive in Step Up all in and a tech in Chappie.
Speaker B:He's also done a lot of Hallmark.
Speaker B:And our Angel Number one, which is our interrupting angel that was threatened to be smoted, was played by Mick Biscov.
Speaker B:He's Dutch, and he's been in episodes of Almost Human, Once Upon a Time I Zombie and the Magicians.
Speaker A:I kind of want to make an interrupting angel knock knock joke.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So what did she think?
Speaker A:I know you said you thought that was a weird way to end it.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:And I get it.
Speaker B:As we're finally getting to the battle of what's going to happen with Amara, I mean, we kind of had a lot of episodes this season where she wasn't even like a thing.
Speaker B:And then we're really kind of dealing with the Castiel issue.
Speaker B:So I think that's kind of an interesting way.
Speaker B:I think it was interesting that Rowena's not dead.
Speaker B:Not that anybody's ever dead on this show.
Speaker B:So it's fine.
Speaker B:But yeah, I thought it was an entertaining episode.
Speaker B:I liked some of, like, the corporate speak stuff that they're playing on in Heaven with Lucifer.
Speaker B:And I like that we are propelling the storyline forward despite some minor inconsistencies.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, at least, you know, it was not a monster of the week episode.
Speaker A:This was definitely a season.
Speaker A:Season one is.
Speaker A:Are getting moving towards the season finale and yeah, entertaining, obviously.
Speaker A:So glad Rowena is back.
Speaker A:Back.
Speaker A:Her and Amara have interesting chemistry.
Speaker A:So we'll.
Speaker A:It was always nice to see two females playing, you know, each other in this.
Speaker A:In this.
Speaker A:In the show especially.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I mean, good episode and not a bummer, I guess, sort of cast is still gone, so that's a bummer.
Speaker B:That's weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, so on that, I think it's how we're gonna end this.
Speaker A:So on that note, cheers.
Speaker B:Cheers.
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Speaker B:Going up to the spirit in the sky I that's where I'm going to go when I die When I die and they lay me I'm going to go to a place that.
