What if you lost almost everything, except the one thing you were building?

Migdalia Sanchez and Claudio Soriano (aka Migdy and Clau), didn’t set out to become authors. Migdy is a professional counselor and life coach. Clau has a background in electrical and process engineering. Both spent twenty years mentoring young adults, first as volunteers, then as certified life coaches, long before either of them thought about putting any of it into a book.

Then came a workshop, a hurricane, a decade of writing, and a 450-page manuscript that had to be split in two just to become manageable.

In this conversation, Migdy and Clau talk about what it actually took to turn twenty years of mentorship into their book What The FCK is Happening To Me? (Esp: ¡¿Qué PÑTA me está pasando?!) They also talk about why they left Puerto Rico with almost nothing, and why the project survived every single thing that tried to stop it.

Note: Some quotes below have been lightly edited for clarity and readability.

Highlights

Trust isn’t given. It’s earned one relationship at a time.

Migdy’s first experience with mentorship came through a volunteer program in Puerto Rico, matching mentors with teenagers from high-risk environments for a full year. It wasn’t easy. It wasn’t supposed to be.

“No matter if the program is finished, no matter if the school year ends, no matter if you change schools, that senior still looks for you. And they still call you… they keep in touch with us.”

That’s something deeper than a program. It’s what happens when a young person finally gets to feel like someone showed up for them without needing anything in return.

One offhand comment can change the whole direction of your work.

Migdy and Clau spent years running relationship workshops for young adults before they ever thought about a book. The shift happened during one particular workshop, when they asked the room a simple question: who do you know that’s been together for more than ten years and is still happy?

Only one or two hands went up. And one participant told them something neither of them expected to hear.

“You are the only couple I know that you look happy together.”

Out of thirty-something people in the room, that was the answer. It was an admission that healthy, long-term love wasn’t something most people in that room had ever witnessed up close.

That’s when the idea of writing something bigger than a workshop started to take shape.

Sometimes your audience finds you.

The same workshop surfaced another realization neither of them expected. Parents in the room wanted the same guidance their kids were getting.

“That means they understand that the parents need this information too. It’s something that they are looking for, that is something missing in their environment.”

That was the moment the idea of a book stopped being abstract. Not because they set out to write for a wider audience, but because the wider audience showed up and asked for it first.

Ten years is a long time to keep believing in something.

What started as notes typed into a phone became a 450-page manuscript, then two separate books, illustrated, edited, translated, and self-published, all while Migdy and Clau kept mentoring, working day jobs, and raising a family.

“That is a 10 years project. That idea was maybe 12 years ago. I don’t remember, but we start everything and hold the process. It took us almost 10 years.”

Nobody hands you a book after ten years just because you stayed committed. But there’s no book at all if you don’t.

AI can’t write the book that took you a decade to live.

1. Clau is direct about what AI can and can’t do, especially for a project built on twenty years of real relationships and hard-won lessons.

“There’s nothing in AI related in this book. People need to understand something. There’s a lot of people writing books and they’re writing books with AI. AI does not have the capacity to create something up until now. What it does is that it goes to the books that they have built or fit into the large language model and it creates something related to what you’re asking.”

1. Migdy’s editor ended up teaching her to edit rather than editing for her, because she recognized something worth preserving.

“Migdalia is an editor. Migdalia writes better than AI, let’s say, because this book was prior AI.”

The book works because it came from two decades of sitting across from real young adults, not from an AI model.

Resilience is the only reason the book exists.

In 2017, Hurricane Maria destroyed the island Migdy and Clau called home. Clau lost his consulting work overnight. Their son’s therapy, school, and support systems disappeared along with the electricity and water.

“We have been kicked out from Puerto Rico after the Hurricane Maria that hit… in 2017.”

A childhood friend of Clau’s, reached by landline because there was no cell service left and paid for their plane tickets to Florida.

They moved four times in three months. Clau couldn’t find work for six months. And somewhere in the middle of all of it, the manuscript kept moving forward.

“That book is so resilient… because the book survived the transition, the moving, the adaptation, the other adaptation that Claudio has to… another state.”

The book survived because they refused to let it end.

The first time you hold your book, nothing goes the way you pictured it.

When the printing company sent a sample ahead of the full order, Migdy and Clau assumed they were finally about to hold the finished book. What arrived instead was a stack of loose, unbound pages, sent only to check paper weight and transparency.

“We opened that envelope and what we found were pages... it was so frustrating.”

The real moment came later, in Miami, picking up the full shipment straight off the pallet.

“We were so exhausted that night... you know, so many people cry when they received the book and opened the book, smell the book. But we don’t have any more tears to cry… we were just watching the book and… we laugh.”

Ten years of work, and the reaction wasn’t tears. It was laughter, because there was nothing else left to give it.

Authenticity isn’t optional when your reader is young and paying attention.

Clau’s advice to other authors comes from two decades of sitting across from teenagers and young adults who have zero patience for anything that isn’t real.

“Young adults can smell shit a mile away. So they’ll find out if what you’re putting in the book, or when you’re coaching a young adult, if what you’re saying, you’re standing behind it.”

Migdy adds the piece that keeps a project like this from collapsing under its own weight.

“Do not reanalyze things because you’re going to paralyze the process. Just flow, flow and flow. Do not try to be perfect because it’s not going to happen. You have settle for being excellent.”

And here’s the thing that actually gets a ten-year project across the finish line:

“Never forget why for you are doing this. When you feel frustrated, when you feel stuck, keep going, and never forget the reason that put you in that situation.”

The book is structured around whatever the reader needs.

The book is built around seven chapters: Mommy and Daddy, Life and Stories, Who the F*** Am I, You’re Gonna F*** It Up, Distinctions and Ways of Being, After, and Couple Relationships. But Migdy and Clau don’t even agree on how it should be read.

“I tell young adults, if you want to read the book, you go to the index and you read the name of the chapters, and if there’s something that resonates with you, read it and that’s it. Migdalia says, start with the book from the beginning and read it until the end.”

Two authors, two voices, two philosophies on how to approach the same material and both work, depending on where the reader happens to be standing in their own life.

Closing Reflection

Migdy and Clau didn’t write this book because the timing was right. There was no good time. There was a hurricane, a job loss, a cross-country move, a son who needed support systems that had just been destroyed, and a decade of mentoring squeezed in around all of it.

“That is a 10 years project... we start everything and hold the process.”

The book is proof that the project you truly believe in doesn’t need perfect conditions to survive. It just needs you to keep showing up for it, one difficult year after another, until it’s finally real.

If you’re an author with a story worth sharing, leave a comment and tell us about your work. You deserve the spotlight too.

You can find Migdy and Clau’s book at MigdyYClau.com and through Hola-Books.

Here's the thing.

Here's the problem.

And I've talked to a lot of professionals that deal with young adults.

This is how I explain it.

I'm sorry if you don't like this line, but.

And I'm explaining this because that's the target customer of the book.

Young adults can smell shit a mile away.

So they'll find out if what you're putting in their book or when you're coaching a young adult, if what you're saying, you're standing behind what you're saying.

So you cannot tell a young adult, hey, a relationship is beautiful.

I hope that you last forever when you have never had a relationship of more than one year.

You know, so that part about being authentic, and the most important part of what I just told you is the part of being is when you're writing.

Make sure that what you're writing, you stand behind it, not write it, because you're aligned with the politic and you like it or religion or something.

We look for a way to respect everyone.

Welcome to Standout Authors Unbound, a space for writers who refuse to disappear.

This is where you can share your work without shrinking, softening, or polishing yourself into something safer.

I'm your host, Kevin Chung and I created this series for authors writing from lived experience.

Experience from the margins and replaces the system often overlooks.

We'll talk about voice, visibility, and building a writing life that honors who you are, not just what sells.

Let's get into it.

Hey.

And welcome to another episode of Standout Authors Unbound.

And today I've had Migdy and Klau.

I'm excited to talk to them about their book.

Can you introduce yourselves and tell us a little bit about your book, your work, and why you got into it?

Hi to everyone.

Thanks for having us.

My name is Migdy.

My short name is Migdy.

My name is Nydalia Sanchez.

I am professionally.

I am a professional counselor and life coach.

The last 20 years, I have been working with young teenagers and with young adults.

And I'm the co author of this book that is in.

This is the Spanish version and it's a support manual for young adults 18 to 30 years old.

Okay, awesome.

So first of all, Kevin, thank you for having us.

Really appreciate the opportunity.

My name is Claudio Soriano.

I'm a. I have a lot.

I do a lot of things right.

I've been doing life coaching for young adults for the past 20 years.

But professionally, I have a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering and I have a master's degree in process engineering.

I've also been working for the past 20 years as a consultant in different life science life sciences companies like Amgen, Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

So I've been all around, you know, but the, the thing that we love the most, that I've loved the most is, is coaching young adults out of everything, you know, the, the, the engineering part is the, the, the thing that pays the bills.

Yeah.

So how did you both, did you decide together to approach coaching or did you do it?

Did one person start first and the other person joined or how did that work?

I discovered that I'm passionate to work with young adults, teenagers and young adults.

Because volunteering process with a program in Puerto Rico that start in Puerto Rico and the program is like something similar to Boys and Girls Club, but it's a program where you been trained for being a mentor of a teenager of high risk environment.

And we, they match mentors with, with the young adult and we, we spend a whole year being a mentor of these, of these, of this teenager.

That was my first experience of being with teenagers and young adults.

I was already a social worker.

This is my bachelor degree.

And after that few years later, both took the life coaching certification.

Certification, exactly.

That was together.

But the first one who started volunteering in that type of program was me.

Great.

No, no, Basically she cover everything.

You know, I told you I wanted her to speak more than me in terms of.

For her to practice her English.

But yeah, we started.

The interesting part about this program is that not a lot of people enroll in the program.

Not because the program is good or bad, but the problem is that it's like you have to make like almost a one year commitment.

So it's like they trained you for like a month and a half in order for you to see if you're capable of handling a young adult.

Right.

Usually 11th and 12th years, like 11th grade and 12th grade, like it's between 14, 15 to 18, 19 years old more or less.

And the thing is that you need to be nine months with the young adult.

So the fact that they're coming from difficult backgrounds is a really, really difficult thing for the adult.

Because sometimes you start having problems not maybe with, not with the young adult, but maybe with the family of the young adult.

That my first experience I had a great connection with the young adult.

But then when it came to the relationship with the parents, I had a lot of problems with the parents.

So from that, that's what that was like.

The first screen in order to see what we wanted to do in regards to having a relationship as a whole with.

With.

With this target customer that is 18 to 30 years old.

Gotcha.

What did you do in order to work with the parents or anybody that may conflict with this idea of being mentored by somebody that is not a family member?

How do you handle that situation?

Remember that we were under like an umbrella of a program, so they had standards.

Right.

In my first experience, I did it.

I.

Twice.

In the first.

In the first experience, like I told you, the experience with the young adult, I had a great connection with them, but with the mom was always causing problems.

Up to the point that the mom decided to take out the young adult from the.

From the program.

And I couldn't do nothing because it's like if she did it well, I have to just.

That's it.

Right?

On the second.

There's a story here because the second we had great connection, but in between the program, her mom passed away.

So that make us closer.

It's a really interesting story, and it's right there.

It's the.

From the.

We didn't know that she died and we went into the hospital looking for her because she wants hospitalized.

But then it's a.

It's a long story, but long story short, that.

That.

That young Ado became really.

That it was like the other way around.

Like her family embraced me.

And it's been like maybe 12 years more or less from that.

11, 12 Years.

Like already years.

Well, so he's like almost 29, 30 years old.

And I still spend time with him whenever I go to Puerto Rico.

Whenever he runs into a problem, he calls me, he tells me, hey, Claudio, I have this problem.

How can I.

How can you?

So it's been like 14, 15 years that I've been coaching him to becoming a man, that he's already a man, that he.

He will eventually get married, but he has a great job.

I couldn't convince him to go to college.

Right.

That was the only thing.

But still he has a great job.

He's like a business owner.

He went to the United States without knowing English and he, like every job he got, he exceeded.

He.

He's an excellent person.

And he.

He turned out he wasn't a bad human being before the program, but it aligned and it helped him and he evolved from the program in such a way that he's in a spectacular human being, you know?

Yeah.

It's amazing when you have stories of helping people transform themselves for the better when you can.

It's not just because you're.

It's like a job that you can have going into the future, but it's like you just feel the sense of accomplishment by helping others.

I think that's what we're all meant to do in this world is to try and live our best life, but also help everyone else the best and.

See and see when they.

No matter the program is finished, no matter the school year, in my case that I work in public school in Puerto Rico like coach and counselor, no matter the school year ends, no matter you change the school, that teenager still look for you and they still call you.

I have a few of them.

Actually more than a few still call me Mother's Day, call me birthday.

And they keep in touch with us, that workshop that we offer.

And sometimes we always open a window.

If you need to communicate with us in private to handle something, go ahead, we're gonna be there.

And that create a bonding that give us the gift I give us or create a trust between us, something that they don't want to tell to their parents or something they.

They talk to us and we always.

Because they know we always gonna respect what you said.

But we don't let you do anything that you think you can say.

It's a perspective, responsible perspective, not with the judgment of a mom or dad perspective.

And that's good.

Yeah.

It's amazing when you are trusted by somebody.

Especially when with like age differences being the thing where it's like can you trust this person that you're not related to and you're just put into a program?

I guess that's the strength of the program itself and the people you know, by connecting with whoever's in that program, it will be somebody that can help you.

Can you talk about when you decided you wanted to write a book?

Did you capture the stories as they were happening or did you have to remember what was the process like?

So we did a workshop that it was a relationship workshop for young adults.

And I remember like 50, 60 people came, more or less.

Natalia.

The workshop actually was a low participation.

We were prepared for like a hundred and just came because was an open, a public workshop that we promoted.

And we participant was like a 32 participant.

See.

So it was like relationship with significant other workshop.

It was like a six hour workshop.

We charged like $30, something like that.

And it was like it was really eye opening for us because everything that we said and the exercises that we created, both of us, they were eye opener for them.

And.

And it was like one of the things that catch our attention the most is like by that time we were like 10, 15 years into each other, like having a relationship, Migdalia and I.

And one of the last questions that we asked them is like, who do you know that has been together for more than 10 years and they're happy.

And it's like one or two people raised their hand and I think one person out of the 30 something said, you are the only couple I know that, that, that you look happy together.

So there was one person out of the 32 people that were there that were.

That told us that they knew so that they, they didn't know anyone being a couple.

So that like sparked something in us.

And I started telling Migdalia, what if instead of doing workshops, we write a book?

And then we.

I remember like Mikdalia has one of his best friend that he organized like a Christmas party.

It's not a Christmas party.

It's like the Three Kings Day party in his house every year.

And he was like, he had like a high position in a college in Puerto Rico and he respected him a lot.

So something changed.

So we asked him.

That was the first time we opened to the conversation is like, what do we have to do in order to write a book?

And he goes like, you need to start with the title and then you need to start with the chapters, naming the chapters.

And I remember that I started writing the book in the phone, in the notes app of the phone.

And then I started talking with Migdy and we started like mixing together ideas to the point that we ended up with a 450 page.

And it was too long because this is half of the book.

This is like it's a normal book for a young adult.

It's full of exercises.

When you look at it, it's not word, word, word, word.

It's like you see exercises and a lot of drawings.

So when we ended the work part of the book, there were like between 350 and 400 pages.

So the illustrator told us, once I put all the pictures you're gonna have, you're gonna end up with a 400 page book.

And we're like, young adults are not gonna open to the possibility 400 page book.

So we had to split it in two.

So that was Megdalia's had to do that.

So then you want to talk about.

Well, first of all, I remember in that workshop that we offered and was one eye open it for us was another important question that the participant asked us was if that is the information that we made or we.

Or we offer in the.

In the workshop.

If we do that with.

With.

With.

With parents too.

And for.

And for us Claudia no tebe and for us was.

Was like a wow.

That means they.

They understand that the parents need this information too.

It's something that they are looking that is something missing in their environment.

Then that was another reason that why Claudio illuminated and he said we need to look the opportunity to offer the information to more person than one one to one or a workshop.

What we're gonna do for.

For impact more people at the same time.

And then was the.

Let's.

Let's.

Let's write a book.

Okay.

I.

We already.

I already have so many articles that I was publishing in.

In blogs and whatever that in that time I then we put ideas so many things that we already have and create history of the people that we already coach or mentoring or whatever.

And the result is the book.

Yeah.

I think it's so important when you see the impact in a small space like a workshop and the thought of amplifying that too as many more people.

Because not everyone can attend a workshop in a physical space if they're not nearby.

It's.

Anyone can get a book wherever you are in the world.

You can ship it wherever you want to.

And once it's digital anyone can access it without even needing to hold it in their hands.

Right.

Exactly.

And that.

And that is a 10 years project.

That idea.

That idea was maybe 12 years ago.

I don't remember.

But we start everything and hold the process took us almost 10 years.

Then it's a big project that we made self published.

We are not under a big public publishing editing house or something.

We hire editors.

We hired the graphic designer.

We hire person who translate and interpreter interpret made the interpretation this Puerto Ricans lang to in English for make more.

What we said in Spanish and what we want communicate in English.

Even if you're a Spanish speaker.

There's a lot of that is not directly translatable even from Puerto Rican to Mexican or anything else.

I know this because I am also learning Spanish and I can I because in Caribbean Spanish there's a lot of like shortening of words and like running together so it sounds like one word even though it's like three separate words.

Exactly.

And we have so many quotes of the young adults.

We make so many citations quoting conversations.

Then we want to be.

I don't know more exactly how we say it.

Yeah it was a process.

You know.

We need to find the right person in order for to understand the Puerto Rican slang.

Because we didn't make a book for the parents.

We made a book for the young adults.

So the way that they're young adults talk is they have typical.

A typical language.

You know, it's maybe not a language that is respected by parents, but still, again, the book is for young adults, not for parents.

So we needed to find someone that could translate and transmit the information how we wanted to present it to the world.

So it was really interesting, the process of translating the book from Spanish to English.

Yeah, yeah.

Can you talk about the process of finding all these different people?

That one, you have to trust, right.

And then two, it has to be within your budget.

And three, it's like, it has to make sense with what you're doing and when you need it.

So the editor, we found it because she was like, actually, the editor does not.

She did not want to be included in the project.

Like, she was.

She is one of the best editors in Puerto Rico.

She has, like, edited, like, a lot of book to important people in Puerto Rico.

But because of the slang and the things that the book talks about, she went under contract with the company that wasn't going to respect that work that she had.

So her name is private, so we cannot mention her.

But on the good thing about how she did the book, how she edited the book, is that she convinced Mikdalia, and I think that was the best decision that we.

That she was going to charge extra money in order to teach her how to edit a book.

So Migdali is an editor.

Mikdalia writes better than AI, let's say, because this book was prior AI.

So it's like, we don't.

There's nothing in AI related in this book.

And people need to understand something.

There's a lot of people writing books, and they're writing books with AI.

AI does not have the capacity to create something up until now.

What it does is that it goes to the books that they have built or fit into the large language model, and it creates something related to what you're asking.

So there has been a lot of copyright infringement in terms of that.

People need to understand that, because I see people in media, in Facebook, saying, hey, I wrote a book in one month.

I'm like, what?

And then you go and read the book or read a couple of pages, and you go, this guy did not have an editor.

This person just went into AI, wrote a paragraph, and then told AI to write the rest for it.

So it was a pretty interesting thing because Mikdalia now has the Capacity to edit books, you know, so we're.

The second book is already like.

The second volume is already done.

I think with who we were in the past 10 years while we write the book is nothing to who we are now.

So there's certain things that if we had the opportunity, we will rewrite them completely because we're in another place right now.

We are.

I want to think that we are more not intelligent is like wise in terms of how we present things.

So the second volume that probably is going to come out next year, in two years.

I don't know when we'll write down like one or more.

One or two more chapters.

The thing is that what we have learned about this process, and maybe this is a question that I'm getting ahead of myself is publishing a book is difficult.

You know, if you don't go through IngramSpark, if you don't go through Amazon, you're dead in the water.

You know, it's like everybody is.

One thing that I've learned is like, if you don't promote yourself and you're not on the one of these platforms, there's no way you're going to sell books.

You know, the book can be like, we have amazing reviews in terms of people coming to us and telling us the book is great.

The book tells the story everything.

And still we are not where we want to be in terms of sales.

You know,.

Dalio said everything.

It's a good experience.

Has been coaching and training with the editor at the same time because give me the opportunity to learn how to do it.

Because she told me, you are young, you can read more books and you don't have to find someone always for video.

But the main.

The main job.

You can start it then.

It was a good idea, took us more time and was a little difficult for.

Okay, do that and give up to us and we pay you instead of working together.

I can.

The opportunity to learn for half the book.

And it was a challenge.

Is not easier than.

It's not easy than say I wrote it with AI and whatever.

When you have the knowledge and the opportunity to know how to do it, it's something amazing.

Yeah.

It's just so important to know like every part of the process.

Even if you're not going to do it yourself.

It's good to know what happens during each step because then you understand.

As you want to write more books.

Here's what you need to look out for when you're doing your.

Your second volume.

Here's what you.

You can streamline the Process a lot.

Right?

There's so much that you learn.

We.

We were the one that took care of the editing.

We supervised the illustrations.

Then we were the ones that prepared the book in order to get it to Kindle.

We have already.

The.

The Kindle version is already out in Amazon.

I have to work on the spot, like printing.

We were the one that contact the.

The printing company.

We were the one that went and looked for the book in Miami and then drove like four hours back in two trucks in order to bring all the books.

It was.

It was an experience, you know, it was.

It was amazing.

It's.

It's tiresome.

I don't know if you tell.

If you ask me if I will do it again, if I will go the same route, because it's.

It's being.

It's being.

It's.

It's.

It's not for everyone, let's say, you know, people think that the most difficult part in writing a book is actually writing the book.

And in my opinion, one, you.

Once you are a known author, then everything changes, you know, because it goes with the flow, you know.

But if you're an author that no one knows is, like, really difficult in order for you to get the book outgoing, to get some traction in terms.

In terms of sales.

Yeah, I think it's.

People go into writing, figuring out every step of the way is challenging, and they're challenging in different ways.

So writing it is challenging in one way, editing is challenging in another, and then promoting is also challenging.

So every step of the way, you learn, oh, this is what goes into it and why a lot of people don't find success when they're doing it.

Because there's just a lot.

Especially if you're not working with a publisher, because you can go with a traditional, but that's very difficult to find somebody that wants to buy it.

You can go with a hybrid, but then you have to pay them upfront to do all the stuff, or you can do it yourself and pay along the way and figure out what you need to do to get each step of the process done.

So I think if you're writing a book, you need to know what goes into everything.

And the only way to know is through really researching.

But even then, you're like.

As you encounter things, you're like, oh, I did not expect that.

Can you talk about when you decided to leave Puerto Rico because you were both living there, mentoring people there?

What made you decide to leave and go to Florida?

You want to take that?

Okay, we leave.

We don't we don't decide to leave Puerto Rico.

I said we kick out.

Then we always thought, we always have the idea someday we're gonna.

We gonna move forward to bring Carel Chalco Comodecimo in Puerto Rico.

We gonna jump the what?

The pond.

We're gonna jump the pond, whatever.

And.

We run from Puerto Rico because the island was destroyed, literally.

And our older son have a condition of autism.

Then everything was gone.

Therapy, school, sport, everything.

Then we don't have any job, we don't have any electricity, we don't have water.

We don't have.

Then we have the opportunity of friend of ours.

Our actually was a friend of Claudio.

They know each other since they were kids.

And we have the opportunity to communicate with him.

And he said, because us, we don't know the magnitude of the destruction until he told us, you need to get out of Puerto Rico right now because you have nothing.

It literally was nothing upset.

We have the opportunity to communicate with him by a phone, a line phone, not even cellular phone.

And he said, I gonna pay you the ticket for come to Florida and stay with us.

That's another story.

But in that way was the situation that we leave Puerto Rico is not something that we want, but we don't have.

How justified stay there in the situation that what happened say if you see the opportunity to put everything running, kids in school, opportunity to look for another job, that was a hard part.

But thinking in our kids mostly was that we took the, we took the chance to.

To.

To move to.

To Florida.

I. I've always worked as a consultant.

So the moment that UC and Maria struck Puerto Rico, they basically let me go.

So I didn't have a job.

Miktala wasn't working by the time this opportunity opens up.

And then what we do is we love the island, but we didn't have work.

So we, we.

We take the plane and that's another story.

You can write another book with that.

We moved like times.

In the first three months, we moved like four times until we got an apartment for six months.

I couldn't get a job in six.

For the first six months, I couldn't find a job, right?

And then we found this apartment.

And the moment that we find this apartment, I was offering a job in Georgia, not even in Florida.

So we established ourselves in Florida.

And then they, they.

I find a contract in Georgia.

So I started going.

I left to Georgia.

I didn't have a car.

I.

That's another story.

So it was.

It was pretty challenging, right?

And then after those six months on, that apartment came up like we were because of the contract that I got in Georgia, we were starting to get up economically, right?

And we found an apartment right where Migdalia wanted to have the kids in school, right next to the school.

We didn't need a car or anything.

So we got that.

They gave us that apartment.

They showed the apartment.

They weren't any apartment.

And Nick Dalia said, I don't care.

I'm going to sign you a check.

When I come and see it, I'm going to give you a check.

And the real tall lady says, it doesn't work like that, but it will help that you give me a check.

And we went.

Before we opened the door, Mikdalia handed the check to the person and there we lived for two years and a half.

And then the two years Covid happened.

So I was let go again of my job in Georgia.

So I came back to Florida and then I transitioned from working as a consultant to trading because I've always trade on the side.

And I became like a moderator for one of the most respected trading communities in the world, I think.

So I've been doing that.

And then they called me back to Georgia and I left again while buying the house.

So it's a pretty interesting.

The most important thing about this story is the resiliency we have been throughout the entire process.

Resilient.

It's like things happen and we just have to deal with it.

The most important thing in our lives is each one of us.

And then come our kids.

And in between that, Magdalia was finishing the book because at some point in time I stopped and Migdalia takes over the writing and editing because the editor covered probably 70, 75% of the book and then the other 25.

Nigela did it on her own because it was like really difficult in terms economically.

So every time the editor look at the page, she charged us, you know, so it's now.

Now we're establishing in United States, you know, will we ever go and live in Puerto Rico again?

Because I know that's a question that people will ask.

I want to.

Migdalia is more close to the.

To the opportunity of like, she will go.

She's open to spending months there, but to actually leave there, she.

She thinks that she wants to live in.

There's so many other places in the world that we could live in that she's open to moving like six Months to one place, six months to Costa Rica, six months to South America.

You know, it's like that she.

That's what she's looking forward to right now.

Once our kids move from.

Because we have young adults, well, we have one, and then one is coming, you know.

So we put in practice everything that we teach in the book and a lot of patience because people think that because we're life coaches and we have dedicated our life to young adults, we're like some kind of gurus in the area.

But when we go and sit down with our kids and explain them is a challenge.

Yeah, I do love the idea of resilience because you cannot control almost everything in your life.

There's so little that you have control over.

So the only thing that you can do is really find out how to work through things versus, you know, worrying about, oh, I need to control this.

I need.

That's when people start to, like, break down, is when they feel like they don't have control over situations.

And there's like, there's no way for us to be able to control almost everything, only how we approach things in the way that we do things.

So I think that's like one of the most important lessons that you can probably teach to young people.

Right?

Yeah.

I always said the book is so resilient than us because the book survived the transition.

The moving.

The adaptation, the other adaptation that Claudio have to move toward to another state.

Then I have to be here with a language that I don't domain for effort.

Luckily for Suelte, our kids always been in bilingual schools.

Then they domain the.

The language better than me.

But was a whole transition.

And the book, the.

The.

The project of the book was in the.

In the middle.

Then I always said that book is so resilient than us.

Then I think the Claudio.

The other Engle point that the word that define us and the book is resilience.

Because I don't find another word that describes better the project.

Yeah, I mean, it's amazing that it could survive because you have all the ideas and you want to complete it.

But sometimes things have to be delayed or you have to do things yourself that you wanted other people to do.

So the only way to figure it out is to have faith that you will finish the thing and dedicate yourself to finish the thing.

And if you have to wait, you have to wait.

Right.

You wanted to probably release it closer to like the beginning when you were starting writing.

Right.

But sometimes things are completely out of our control and we just need to deal with things the best way that we can.

Yes.

Yeah.

What was it like to feel the books in your hand?

Did you get one version first or the other?

Were they coming out simultaneously?

What were your feelings when you could physically feel this book in your hand?

So it was.

This is like a story when the printing company tells us that they're gonna send us, like, a sample, right.

And we were so excited that the sample was coming.

We were, like, going crazy at it because we thought that they were going to send us one book because people told us they're going to send you a book.

And when we opened that envelope that what we found were pages.

Like, Nalia, I think he.

She has.

Was like, pages.

And showing us the book.

I was like.

I was so.

And we were, like, so frustrated.

So the first time we saw the book was actually when we went to pick it up in Mayan.

Oh, wow.

It was like that.

We have the video having.

I think we have the big.

Right, Mickey.

We have the video of the first time that we picked the book.

And we started, like, looking at it and appreciating the end product of the effort of the last 10 years.

You know,.

Was so funny.

Was so funny.

Because Claudio was waiting.

He was so excited, and he was waiting.

Open the envelope and find something like this.

And he just find a bunch of loose paper and divide it.

And the face of cloud.

Claudio was so like a.

But when we received the.

The.

The.

The books.

The whole bunch of books.

The boxes that.

That Claudia told.

Told you that we drove to.

To Miami into.

In two trucks to.

To pick it up.

That.

That from the pallet.

La pallet.

I don't know.

The wood thing that.

The pallets.

The pallets.

Then we have to transfer from the pallet to the truck.

And Claudio find the box that Aduana opened for check what is inside.

And Claudio had the opportunity to take out one book.

And he was.

That moment was amazing.

I have picture of that because Claudio said, look at book.

And he chose like a.

But each book came individually wrapped, individually packed.

Yeah.

And we can do that.

But we were so exhausted that night.

And we wait until the next morning to appreciate the book, Open the book, smell the book.

But, you know, so many people cry when they receive the book and open the book.

We don't have any more tears to cry.

Not even.

Not even for emotions or.

We was just like.

The video was a lack of sound because we just saw.

We were just watching the book and.

And do that.

But we laugh.

And finally was the only thing we can say at that moment.

Yeah.

Every step of the way is a surprise, right?

Like finding out that it's not an actual book.

I don't know if that's common practice as far as first sample editions of your book, but having to go and get your whole delivery and bring them up and multiple stages and all this stuff.

Like there's so many interesting stories.

Obviously you have an idea of how this could fit into another book not even related to the content of your current books.

You.

You have this whole great like resilience story that you can show people.

Yeah, yeah.

Because they send these not foresee just for check that they got the.

The weight of the page, the transparency of the page, the size of letter.

Then we need to choose so many things that we don't know because we don't work in that.

Then okay, we need to choose.

Okay, then we need to comparison the transparency.

So many technical things that.

Okay, now we understand what we need to do.

And then it's all their process.

Other waiting time for make it happen.

And both is satisfactory.

When you have the book in your hands, it's so satisfactory.

And you said, okay, we finished.

No, start the next promoting marketing the web page, the social media now.

Because if you are not in the social media world then it's not moving for all that process is the now the new process.

And you know what?

One of the things that, that I think that is is crazy is the amount of people that scam authors, like take advantage of authors that are starting.

There are a lot of people out there that the only thing that they're focusing is taking money of authors just because they can do it, you know, so it's difficult.

You know, I've seen like I'm in a couple of Facebook groups of authors and I just watch them and there's so many people scamming people that it's sad, you know that it's.

It's a process that is.

So instead of being insightful is just full of walls.

You know, it's like.

And then when you go out and I'm trying to present the book to a place like Barnes and Noble, Barnes and Noble tells you, hey, I'm not going to put your book in shelves.

It has to go through ingramsparks and we go like, so if you go to Puerto Rico, you have to go to a big distributor.

It's so difficult.

You know, there's no.

Right now, there's no, there's no process for individual author in order to like the amount of effort that you put into versus the Amount of things that you have to.

Like I said the first part of the book is writing.

Then comes the part 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

You know, it's like the thing is that you need to work around the media, you know, Instagram, Facebook and we're learning or then you become public figures because then you have to share your life with the whole world in order to for people to get interested and you start getting traction in terms of sell.

You know because at the end of the day what you want the boogies.

Like I heard a podcast somewhere that, that they.

The.

The person that was getting interview said that is your responsibility as an author now to present your your masterpiece to the world.

You know and, and one of the things that that we we more more feel proud of is that only 7% of publish authors are Latinos.

You know out of all the of the all the authors in in United States.

And when you run the numbers of what 7% is is like 1 in 25,000 people something like that.

So it's interesting, you know.

Yeah, I think it's important to work with people that you know or trust or have referrals from because otherwise you it's your just flying blind.

Right.

So you have to.

I think if you're going to be a writer or an author or anything in that space you have to first establish yourself with people who can be trusted and there.

There are websites and services and all that kinds of stuff but oftentimes it comes through the referral of people you know or people that they know who can help you that you know have dealt with people already.

So it's like one of the things that you have to do is you have to be willing to trust a person and the only way to do that is to know who they are, what they do and if it comes from a recommendation that's probably like one of the best ways that you can find people.

What was another.

I'm sorry.

Another thing that is challenged right now is the social media give you information in short frames of information then right Find people who still want to read a whole book that that put you in a.

In a position that you have to see inside of you on an analysis, analog analyse analysis, analyze yourself, analyze yourself, thinking yourself and put yourself to work is a self help book is more challenged now than I think in time before because people is getting used to solve problems, solve everything quick because social media gives you everything quick and the comparison with so many things it's instant gratification.

And when you Have a book, a whole book that put you exercises.

You need time to think in yourself.

It's more challenge because people want to work in what is external.

And we are offering to do something that is for inside you.

You have to work in you before work.

Everything else, hair, nails, face, skin, whatever.

And that is another challenge that the people don't realize the outdoors are working with more.

If we are not famous people, influencers or something like that, then it's so many challenges that the people don't know when an outdoor put in the product that they try to sell or try to, to give to the world.

Yeah, I think it's just about having a strong enough message is one thing.

Because that's like the thing that you need to do above everything else is your message has to be relatable to people.

And then how do you figure out how to get that thing that's relatable into the eyes, into the ears, into the hands of people who need it the most.

So what have you tried as far as getting your book out there and what has worked and what hasn't worked for you?

So what we, what, what we have, what we have done, we have, we did an Instagram page, we did a YouTube page that we haven't started putting things into it, we did a Facebook page and now we're preparing a room in the house to do podcasts and we want to interview young adults, famous and non famous and talk about everything that they're going through life.

So we're working right now.

I just ordered like the lights in order to have natural lights inside the, in the, inside the podcast room.

So that's coming soon in order to promote the book and because here's the thing, we're life coaches, but we don't promote ourselves as like making money because like people call us people that do not know us, like get to know the book they call us.

And one of the things that we tell them is that the only way that we work around young adults is that the young adult called us.

If the parent is the one calling.

Us,.

We're not going to take the new level, you know, is because it takes so much time when a parent is the one making the approach rather than the young adult making the approach.

Because when the young adult making is making the approach that it means that the young adult is looking for something, right?

And there's a, there's a connection because he wants to talk to you.

When the parents is the one, then he's trying and making him call us.

And the first Three or four hours of conversation in between sessions.

It takes a lot of time in order for it create that intimacy for him to open up.

So that's why we don't.

We don't take a lot of cases in terms of.

We prefer.

We would love to do like group.

Group chats where we can talk and that I think is coming soon.

That's one of the ideas that we want that we want to do like do live coaching sessions with young adults without charging any money just being there and they asking questions and then we can promote that because everything is content now.

You know, everything.

Yeah, I mean in addition we have been making proposal for educational institutions in Puerto Rico.

We have been sending proposals, we have been send a message to organizations here in Florida and Puerto Rico.

Organization that serve this target of population.

Schools, correctionals, university, college, all the department that work with student department.

I don't know how to say it.

We have been sending proposals and presenting slideshows and presentation in.

In live.

We have been in a college area.

I don't know college fairs where all the college bring a bulls to explain with.

But we have been doing so many things in additional social media.

But we have been.

We already had the TikTok, the Instagram.

The Instagram is the page that have more information and shorts and video reels post and information about the book and in addition our web page that have information about us about the book have so many affirmations phrases, blogs.

But we.

We need to expose more is what we are working right now creating content for start to.

To.

I don't know for putting the TikTok and social pages.

Yeah.

Getting all the content that's shareable because.

The book is a tool that give us the opportunity to expose to the people.

It's not just selling the book.

We want to work with the young adult.

It's not something I want to sell the book and be millionaire with the book.

No, the book is a tool that help us make the cloud to work with the young adults.

That's it.

That's the real intention.

Yeah.

What is the target?

I know you said young adults, but how do you determine where these people that are trying to look for this information are like?

Well, who are the exact types of young adults that are looking for this?

I know usually it's in the underserved communities.

And what are some of the biggest messages from the book that these people can learn from your book?

Something that is interesting that I always said the target that we have to put on the book is 18 to 30 because the edges of the teenagers and young adult.

Actually the book can help people under 18.

But because this land that the book has, we have to put it 18 and older.

But I always said the book gonna work for people that have the open mind to receive different perspective of how they know to solve situation in life.

That means that the book is not just for 18 to 30.

30.

The book can help my girl half 14 years old and she wrote it, she read it when she was 13 and she understand it.

Actually she told me the other day that her favorite chapter is.

The chapter that I described on the book is the most difficult to understand.

That means people under 18 is gonna work.

And now right now the most feedback good feedback that we receive is from adults, people, parents who.

Who.

Who buy the book for their kids.

But they read.

They read it first.

Read it.

They.

They read it first.

We have a counselor, a human behavior professionals that works with young adult.

They.

They read the book and they said the book is help me to create conversation with my.

Then the book is.

It has the target 18 to 30.

But the book can work for even less than 18 or when you are an adult because you always have something to learn.

Migdalia gave a presentation of the book last week in North Carolina.

And the people that were in the presentation were all adults were all grandparents and parents.

And she read like a portion like 2, 3 pages of the book and everybody in the room ended up crying.

So it's like.

And everybody.

Everybody was crying.

Everybody came to Migdalia.

Talk a little more about that.

Yeah, I was actually with Haiti, the person who connect us.

We was in North Carolina and in the.

Finally they told me they're going to be the night before convention.

We want to participate the night before someone a Puerto Rican lady who had a.

A business a coffee business.

She gonna make a book signing for Haiti and another Haiti author that having in.

In all our books.

And they told me bring your bring some book bring some books for put you in the.

In the presentation of author that that gonna be there.

And the host already read a portion of the book and she was touched for a part that talk about forgiveness.

And she asked me to read part of this.

Of this part chapter.

This is in chapter one.

And I start actually I read it in Spanish because it was a Puerto Rican activity.

But most of the people speak English already.

But my English is not the best.

Then if I gonna read something, I'm gonna read it in the.

In the Spanish Spanish version book.

And.

And was so emotional because it's a part that hit us, Claudio and me personal because we was reflecting most of the situation of the kids.

We already have been worked with and for us.

And I. I read it in Spanish.

I did read in Spanish.

Even people that doesn't speak Spanish that don't understand, they said, I don't have to understand you for feel what you was feeling.

And reading.

Reading the.

That part and was so was a good feedback and good impression that, okay, it's working.

I'm so.

I feel bad that you get so emotional and even cry.

But that's good because what we want to communicate is Estalle Gando is doing the job that we want.

And what's so amazing, the other author.

Of that event was Sami Hyman.

She's the author of Becoming La Jefe.

Have you had her in your show?

I have not yet.

But I would love an introduction to her because I know you and Heidi both.

Yeah, yeah.

She's part of a HADES team.

Like there are a couple of authors under Haiti.

And if you haven't had it, Julian for a treat, you know, she's great.

You're gonna have a great experience with her.

She's a force of nature.

That's great.

Yeah, I'd love to chat with her.

Do have a few questions.

What are the biggest themes and takeaways that people will get from the book?

That's an interesting question.

But this is a kind of book that it all depends.

In what stage in your life are you in?

There's different perspectives.

We're not a seal.

The decisions that what I say and Mikdalia say doesn't have to be aligned.

For example, I tell young adults, if you want to read the book, you go to the index and you read the name of the chapters.

And if you want, if there's something that resonates with you, read it.

And that's it.

Mikdalia says, start with the book from the beginning and read it until the end.

You know, I tell them no.

I tell them this is a book that it has continuation.

But you don't need the book to start reading it from page one to page to the last page.

And some people follow my lead, other people follow me.

Dalia's lead.

It all depends.

So, for example, if you're going through difficulty in your relationship with your significant other, then you should read the last chapter.

That is a pretty interesting chapter that talks about everything that has to do with a couple relationship.

If you're having problems with your friends, there's a chapter about friends.

If you have problems with your mom and dad.

There's a chapter with mom and dad.

So it all depends where you're in your life in order for it to read the book.

Yeah, it's funny because the book have three voices.

Claudio's voice, my voice, and the other young adults voices.

Then one funny thing with the editor said, Nydalia, you are so, so structure and you are so serious.

It's writing.

Because when I'm in.

In a workshop I'm so.

But Claudio is more street style.

Then I have to.

To okay, go down and Claudio have to okay, go.

And.

And for me it's so important you.

You read the.

You have to read the introduction for understand the way that you're gonna find the.

The book, the or.

But so many people start without knowing their three different voices.

And other people said, I made explanation of what coaching is.

I made an explanation how we became coaches and whatever.

And I explained how the coaching different is different to other disciplines.

Then for me it's so important.

But it's something that I work.

Claudia, just work on the chapters then.

It's so funny because the outcome, the outcome we wait is the same, but the style are different.

Then that make the book so interesting to find.

Yeah, I think it's so important when you're co authoring a book to have different voices that shine.

Right.

Because you each have your own perspective to add and it needs to be in your own voice.

You can't try to match each other's because it's not.

It's not going to work.

Right.

So I think it's so important that everyone has their own voice in the book.

And you understand this is somebody's specific perspective because you might resonate with one person more than the other.

Right.

And one thing that was really challenging in the book is for people to identify who's the one speaking.

If it was me.

Remember, there are two authors.

One is a boy, one is a girl.

And then you have the young adults boy.

So that was like the biggest challenge of all is for people to understand because at one point we, we were gonna like put, okay, Claudio is the one saying this.

And then Mikdalia.

And we were gonna put like C and M. But the way that the, the editor structured the book, you can clearly.

And someone gave us like that, that opinion.

Like they say, sometimes I don't know who's speaking.

But in between what you're reading, at some point you're gonna understand, oh, it's Claudio is the one writing this or McDala is the one writing.

So it's It's a pretty.

It's a pretty interesting challenge in order to get who's the one speaking, you know?

But you will always know who is the person writing that part of the book.

Exactly.

Because the book is like in a conversation with us, and in a conversation, we don't start now gonna talk to you, Claudio.

It's not like that.

It's something more fluent because so many people told us that know us.

The book is like talking with you both at the same time, having a conversation with you too.

And then we said, cool, because that the intention.

We don't want something that's so robotic.

So like, now gonna talk to you cloud and now gonna talk midi and no, we want something more organic.

Yep.

And that's an additional challenge when you're writing a book by yourself.

Obviously, it's very easy to write in your own style throughout.

But when you're trying to mix and match, I think that's probably a challenge that you found Migd while editing to figure out the best way for it to flow smoothly without, like, having those sorts of interruptions.

Oh, this is what Claudio said.

This is what Migdy said, right?

Yes.

You're gonna find.

You're gonna find it.

If you are in the book, you're gonna find it.

Who are.

Who is talking and who is telling you that story or who are explain to you this or that or whatever.

You're gonna find it.

But it's not identified.

Claudio's paragraph are gray and my paragraph.

Paragraph are green.

No, it's not.

It's not like that.

What advice would you give to other authors who want to stand out?

Advice, Claudio.

I don't give advices.

And the reason I don't give advices is because it's explaining the book.

You know, it's like the only thing that I can tell you that has worked for me, and I think for me, Dalia is being authentic.

That's it.

And I think that's like what have distinguished our whole life, each of us.

You know, Natalia has her style, and I respect it for her.

I have my style and she respects it for.

She respects it.

Here's the thing.

Here's the problem.

And I've talked to a lot of professionals that deal with young adults, and this is how I explain it.

I'm sorry if you don't like this line, but young adults.

And I'm explaining this because that's the target customer of the book.

Young adults can smell shit a mile away.

So they'll find out if what you're putting in their book or when you're coaching a young adult, if what you're saying, you're standing behind what you're saying.

So you cannot tell a young adult, hey, a relationship is beautiful.

I hope that you last forever when you have never had a relationship of more than one year.

You know, so that part about being authentic and the most important part of what I just told you is the part of being is when you're writing.

Make sure that what you're writing, you stand behind it, not write it because you're aligned with the politics and you like it or religion or something.

We respect.

We try.

We look for the.

A way to respect everyone.

That's why we didn't include.

We.

We don't include religion and we don't talk about religion in the book because we want to think that our book is inclusive, not exclusive.

So we don't.

We don't.

We don't mention nothing about the religion in the book because if we have young adults that do not like religion or do.

They're Muslims and they don't.

They.

They.

We have to respect the.

The religion that they're with.

So because of that, we.

We don't.

We don't.

So we have reasons in order to stand behind how authentic the book is.

So I think that's my.

The only thing that I can tell you about advice to other authors.

Migdalia I think.

In.

In 20 in.

I think in two things.

First, being authentic is related what Claudio said to you.

If your target customer know that you are writing something that is not aligned with your style of living.

It's something we said.

Integrity is what you said.

Have to be aligned of what you do.

Then if something is not matched, then the young adult especially is gonna notice and they're not gonna trust you.

Being authentic is one and do not think a lot.

Something that I learned and I can't say it forward because I learned that do not analyze things because you want to paralyze the process.

Just flow, flow and flow.

Do not try to be perfect, because not going to happen.

You have to look for being excellent.

And Excellency have too many ways of being perfection.

Have just one.

Then you have to go with the flow.

And the other thing, never forget the why or what.

For you are doing this.

When you feel frustrated, because you want to feel frustrated.

If you feel stuck, because you're going to feel stuck.

You want to have the sensation that is not worth it and keep going.

And never forget the reason that put you in that situation.

And our reason was Always Okay.

We need to impact the world much people we can at the same time and that.

That that is Abu that that is our legacy to the world.

Maybe maybe the the book you don't.

I not looking for the perfect book for everyone.

I'm looking for a book that I like, that I trust, that I believe.

And if it works for one person, I did it because it's impossible to como es complacer make everyone happy.

To please everybody.

Please everybody.

Be yourself, flow.

Be authentic.

And always remember it's a different why or what for.

Porque y paraque.

Always remember el paraque what for you are doing this because why give you justify and put you in the bag.

What for is always put you looking forward.

Then that is what I can say most right now for other person that who want to do this.

Yeah.

I think both of you just spoke to why AI cannot write a book for you.

At least a good book for you.

It can write a book, right, but it cannot write the book in a way that is relatable, has like human emotion, your voice and talks in the way that you want to talk in order to create your why across.

Right.

So you can obviously use it.

But the difference between a book that's put together in one month versus a book that's been put together over 12 years, there's a vast difference.

Right.

So I think that's some advice for people who are thinking about letting AI write their whole book.

I mean it's obviously possible, but is it like something that is worth doing?

I don't know exactly.

Is.

Is not.

It's not.

It's not that easy.

And the people gonna know it, the people who like to read, who enjoy read and who want to know about what you are talking about gonna notice it was something rush or worse, or was something that you put effort, commitment, Tears, sweat, oh my goodness.

Tears, frustration, everything.

You're gonna.

You're gonna.

It's.

It's something excited.

I don't want a.

A put down someone.

It's something excited, but it's something that you have to commit really and be disciplined and be and be.

And have so strong EQ emotional intelligence for.

For.

Is not for everybody.

But if you made it, oh, you're going to.

You're going to enjoy it.

What challenge would you give to somebody who wants to stand out?

So.

So I'm a big advocate of being and doing what you're passionate about, period.

If you're waking up in the morning and you're looking forward to your day and you're happy because of what that they ask for you.

Then you're, you're, you're doing what you're.

You're meant to be.

You know, I like to do.

I'm a problem solver.

I'm a passionate about problem solving.

I love to be presented with something and in order to solve it.

And I, even though my bachelor's degree was an electrical engineer, I've never worked as an electrical engineer.

And then I did my process engineering master's and I've enjoyed every minute of it.

The thing is, and this is probably will be another podcast that we can do is going in the route to being an employee or being a consultant.

There are two different, completely different routes.

One is more challenging than the other because being an employee, you just show up and you let 20, 30 years pass.

You move a couple of times in your life and that's it.

When you're a consultant, sorry, the job ends in one place.

Then you have to move, redesign yourself and go to another place.

And then go to another place and you spend your whole life moving.

I don't like the moving part.

Even though I get to know people, but I'm still doing what I'm passionate about, that is solving problems.

And the more difficult they are, the better.

The more, the more, more excite most more excited I am in order to work there.

So again, recapitulating.

I don't know if that's the correct word.

It's like in my opinion, to stand out, be and do what you.

When, when you think about it, you smile.

If you do that, you enter places and immediately you will stand out because of that.

Because people will get to feel what you're feeling when you're talking about what you're most passionate about.

Okay.

Something that I can say maybe that works for someone that want to write a book or someone going to work for everything in your life.

And I was talking about this in the conference that we, we watched two weeks ago.

The, the people we have been raised with, people teaching us you have, you have to have for them.

Do, then be, have, do and be.

And I always work trying to the people understand that you don't have to have something for do other than feel in that way.

For example, you have to have money, you have to be retired for.

Have money for travel for.

Then be happy.

What if you start being happy doing all your stuff, being in that way of being then the thing that you achieve, the thing that you, the outcome that what you have, you're gonna have it in excellence instead of Way to have for then do for then be in that way.

Be.

Be responsible, be happy, be disciplined, be friendly, be positive.

Then do everything what you do in that way of being.

Do your job happy, do your your job with discipline.

Be with.

Do your job, do everything with that positive way of being.

For you can see what you gonna have in result of all that gonna be better than you have to see suffering.

Sacrifice.

Oh I.

If.

Is there a phrase that.

I don't like it because I don't like to say it.

I hate it is.

You have to sacrifice for something good.

You don't have to sacrifice.

You have to be committed, you have to be passionate.

You have to be in a good way for having.

For habit instead.

Instead of leaving the process suffering.

Oh I.

In Spanish the people said bale la pena ser feliz no vale la pena nada.

Don't give.

It's not possible.

Give energy, give value to something bad.

For have something good.

It's not the right way.

I always said to everyone be, do then have.

Be all the positive thing you can.

And you can see the difference of the process you have been living.

That's a good exercise.

Ask every morning that I live.

I don't know if I'm doing the question right that I live in a generous, generous world or a hostile world.

I choose always the compassionate world, the generous generoso.

I don't know.

Generous.

Yeah.

I choose that word because if I choose that word, everything that gonna happen.

I always gonna see the good in everything.

But if I choose what the world shows me, hostile, hostility, madness.

I don't know all the crazy that everything that I gonna find gonna be that way.

And that is not the way that I want to live.

Then always choose be first do and then pass.

And always choose.

A positive attitude or energy sometimes is challenge because it's not hard.

It's challenge.

But it's possible in the same way.

It's everything that you verbalize, always verbalize, always communicate with positive terms.

It's something that you have to practice a lot.

But it's possible.

There's an entire chapter of what she just said in the book.

Just.

Just.

Just to be clear about read the.

Book is the chapter that I describe is the most difficult one.

That's.

That's her favorite chapter.

And this is a game changer.

Yeah.

Your.

Your life can change with.

If you understand what she just explained in 10 minutes.

Yeah.

It's just.

You get what you put into the world.

If you're putting generosity, you get generosity back.

If you put in negativity, that's what you will get.

You're just.

The universe is going to give you what you give.

It is what I.

The universe is abundance.

There, there's everything for everyone is the challenge.

Okay, but, but, but, but it is, it is in that, in that way.

Amazing.

This has been really amazing.

Are there any last things that you want people to know about the book before they pick it up?

And where can people find all your stuff and keep up to date with this book and your future books or all your other work?

So I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you the.

The name of the chapters and give a brief description at 1:1.

So there are seven chapters in the book.

And chapter one is mommy and Daddy.

And basically what that chapter talks about is the relationship of mom and dad.

And we give them like the is is.

We give our perspective and we encourage them to put themselves in the parent situation.

For the remaining of the chapter.

The second chapter is called Life and Stories.

Because everything in life in your story, everything in your life is a story.

So we define what we mean about that.

And because it's a story, as every story, you can change the story.

And if you change your story, you can change your life.

There's a chapter called who the fuck am I?

In order for you to identify who you are.

Chapter four, that is my favorite chapter, is called you're gonna fuck it up.

Because everybody have like do mistakes in life and we talk about what is an absolute fuck up.

And those are the fuck up that you don't want to go into.

There's the one that big Dalia master, she tried to master.

This is the first time I've seen her trying to explain the chapter in English.

And the name of the chapter is called Distinctions and ways of being.

I think that she grew like four or five gray hairs because of the explanation that she just gave me in English.

The chapter six is after.

So we tried to explain young adults that the most important relationship in your life is the relationship that you have with you.

Even though they think that is the relationship they have with their parents or siblings.

The most important relationship in your life is the relationship you have with you.

The second most important one is family.

And the third most important one is who are your friends.

So the chapter talks about embracing friendship.

I've been friends with people more than 35 years and they're still in my inner circle.

And it's one of the best experiences in your life to have people that have known you for so long.

And the last chapter that is like my sake.

My second favorite amygdalia's tool is Couple Relationship.

And that chapter is subdivided in three sections.

One is Learning to be single because people do not know how to be single.

The most important thing about you being single is that you need to learn to love you.

Because if you don't know how to love you, then how can you love someone else?

It's like irresponsible and stupid.

The second subsection is called how to be in a Relationship because people do not know how to be in healthy relationships.

And the third one that I think is one of the most important one in the book is how to split in a healthy Way.

And I've never seen it discussed in another book.

So I think this is the first one even though I haven't read all the books there are.

But it talks about how to deal with the breakup because it's like I love you and then I hate you.

I don't want to see you.

I don't want to know anything about you.

And that's how that we try to give them a point of view of maybe the relationship doesn't work like it was meant to be and now it transformed to something else.

It doesn't mean that it ends.

It just transformed because relationship do not end.

You know.

So that's it.

That's the seventh chapter.

The second volume is just as interesting as the first volume.

But it covers everything that you're thinking at like money related like work.

Like there's a.

The last chapter of the book is something that is called the last chapter but it's something that everybody talks about but no one wants to talk about it.

So we don't want to like give a heads up about what the chapter is.

But it took Medalia one year to write that chapter only or two years.

Okay.

She had to.

I have to study look references I had actually for all the books book we we made references study A A A group of.

Of focal groups we did in each chapter we did focal focus focus focus groups.

Yeah discussing the the chapters and the content with with young adults actually and we receive feedback then with that why you need a chapter that talk about this and oh that that's right.

And was something that worked a lot how we said already was a project and it was not something rush was something pretty well worked.

And you can find it in our webpage Migdy and Cloud meet the E. Cloud meet the ecloud.com and Hola Books and Hola book with Heidi and actually the Kindle version in English is already on Amazon, right?

Yes, in Amazon.

In our webpage.

Hola.

Book and Kindle version in Amazon right now.

And you can find information about us, content and whatever in Instagram.

The same.

Migdecloud.

Yeah.

Can you spell that for people who are just listening?

M, I, G, D, Y, Y, C, L, A, U.

So it's like the, the number, the name that you see in the, in the screen.

Just add a Y after the first Y of big D and then it's big D Cloud.

Awesome.

And Ola Books has a dash in it, I believe.

Yeah, Ola Books has a dash and you can find it there.

And it's also in Amazon.

You can find it in Amazon too.

Amazing.

Well, it's been a pleasure talking to you both.

Looking forward to hearing when you write your release your second book.

And maybe we can hop on another call and talk about that.

Of course, of course.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you for the opportunity.

We really appreciate it.

Kevin.

Yeah.

Thank you so much for having us.

Have been a pleasure and a challenge for me.

I hope that people understand me because.

I think this is your first podcast in English, right?

Actually, yes,.

You're the first one, Kevin.

English then.

Amazing.

Wow.

Thank you for that.

We always remember the first times then.

All right, thanks again.

Bye Bye.

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