A conversation with Jean and Roy Erasmus, two dynamic Dene certified councillors who use humour and authenticity in their approach to mental health therapy. They describe their empowerment approach to counseling by engaging clients through the use of humor and discovering their traditional skills. They provide counseling services to indigenous people in their area, while at the same time building capacity of indigenous counselors. In listening to this podcast you will hear in their voices their dedication and commitment to their profession, and clients.