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Queue Points Day One Trey Payadue on Celebrating the New Orleans Sound and Treasuring Black Music
Episode 201 • 17th November 2025 • Queue Points • Queue Points LLC
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When it comes to the heartbeat of New Orleans, Trey Payadue knows how to keep the rhythm going. On this episode of Queue Points, Trey sits down with Sir Daniel and Jay Ray for a thoughtful, down-to-earth conversation about music, culture, and what it means to be part of a rich Black musical tradition. If you’re curious about how community and sound come together, this episode is a solid listen.

Key takeaways from the conversation:

  • Trey shares how growing up in New Orleans shaped his music taste and appreciation for Black musical roots.
  • The crew explores the power of Bounce, R&B, and the ways local artists uplift the scene.
  • Trey talks about being a supporter from day one—and why sharing stories matters for the next generation.
  • Listeners get insight into how friendships and community keep the music alive, on and off the stage.
  • Jay Ray and Sir Daniel reflect on what it means to celebrate Black culture through real, everyday moments.

Whether you’re new to the New Orleans sound or it’s already part of your playlist, this episode brings a fresh perspective on music, connection, and legacy.

Listen To Trey’s Queue Points 1-On-1 Playlist: https://qpnt.net/trey-1on1-playlist

Chapter Markers

00:00 Intro Theme

00:16 Welcome to Queue Points

02:01 Guest Introduction: Trey Payadue's Background

04:24 Trey's Musical Journey and Influences

11:35 New Orleans Culture and Music Scene

32:38 The Vibrant Music Scene of New Orleans

34:52 The Evolution of Radio and Local Music

36:59 Current Trends in Hip Hop and R&B

40:08 Podcasting, Pop Culture, and Nostalgia

59:27 Outro Theme

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Sir Daniel:

Greetings and welcome to another episode of podcast.

Sir Daniel:

I'm DJ Sir Daniel.

Jay Ray:

And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my governments as

Jay Ray:

Johnnie Ray Kornegay III and Sir Daniel, we are back with our QP one-on-one,

Jay Ray:

and I'm super excited for the brother that is joining us this evening.

Sir Daniel:

One on one.

Sir Daniel:

We're having some fun on Queue Points

Jay Ray:

Hey.

Sir Daniel:

I, I just had to do it.

Sir Daniel:

It was, it was just right there, but yes, yes, I am excited about that.

Sir Daniel:

You know, it's, he is one of, he's been a day one supporter and, um, it's just

Sir Daniel:

exciting to touch, you know, to make these touches with people that have been

Sir Daniel:

with riding with us for the longest time.

Sir Daniel:

And just to get to know them and find out what's going on in their lives and in

Sir Daniel:

their particular city, their part of the country, because that's what is all about.

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Jay Ray:

Um, before we jump into the conversation, sir Daniel Summer is winding down.

Jay Ray:

You have a birthday coming up.

Jay Ray:

How you feeling?

Sir Daniel:

You know what I am, I'm, I don't know.

Sir Daniel:

I don't, I think about it every now and then, but I'm, um, but I'm happy.

Sir Daniel:

I'm very thankful because this is a milestone.

Sir Daniel:

Um, especially when I think about all the people that haven't have left

Sir Daniel:

beyond, have gone beyond to the beyond before they can even get to, to my age.

Sir Daniel:

And so I feel, I feel blessed about it and very thankful.

Sir Daniel:

So yes, I am excited about it.

Jay Ray:

Awesome.

Jay Ray:

Um, one of the things that's really important to us, uh, as DJ Sir

Jay Ray:

Daniel indicated, is that we have an opportunity to chop it up with folks.

Jay Ray:

And tonight, y'all, um, joining us on the show, we got his bio and

Jay Ray:

everything, so it's really, really dope.

Jay Ray:

But, um, as Sir Daniel mentioned, Trey Payadue is, uh,

Jay Ray:

one of our day one listeners.

Jay Ray:

And, um, Trey was raised on the West Bank of New Orleans, uh, the New Orleans

Jay Ray:

metro area in a small town called.

Jay Ray:

Marrero.

Jay Ray:

Marrero.

Jay Ray:

Oh,

Sir Daniel:

that's what

Jay Ray:

Marro, I think.

Jay Ray:

Okay.

Jay Ray:

Yay.

Jay Ray:

Ha ha.

Jay Ray:

Alright, we're doing good.

Jay Ray:

Louisiana brought up in the black Catholic Church.

Jay Ray:

Trey was completely immersed in New Orleans music and black culture through

Jay Ray:

local fairs and famous celebrations like Mardi Gras, new Orleans Jazz and

Jay Ray:

Heritage Festival, and the Essence Fest.

Jay Ray:

He was also exposed to various styles of music, such as gospel, pop, rock,

Jay Ray:

funk, hip hop, bounce, and his first love rhythm and blues at a young age.

Jay Ray:

inherent love and appreciation paired with his exposure to New

Jay Ray:

Orleans culture and events, ignited an infectious passion for music.

Jay Ray:

Trey quickly became known as the music man, uh, amateur

Jay Ray:

house, party, DJ and mixtape.

Jay Ray:

Go-to guy for new music.

Jay Ray:

We gotta talk about that when he comes up.

Jay Ray:

Um, currently Trey Juggles a nine to five while moonlighting as a curator

Jay Ray:

of good music, a patron of popular music and black culture, and a

Jay Ray:

student of where all three intersect.

Jay Ray:

You can follow him on Instagram at something severe.

Jay Ray:

That's S-U-M-T-H-I-N, just so y'all know.

Jay Ray:

Um, but Queue Points family.

Jay Ray:

We are so excited to welcome one of our favorite folks to the show.

Jay Ray:

Trey, welcome to Queue Points.

Trey Payadue:

Hello.

Trey Payadue:

Hi.

Trey Payadue:

How y'all doing?

Sir Daniel:

welcome.

Sir Daniel:

Fantastic.

Sir Daniel:

So happy to have you.

Sir Daniel:

We're here with us and to just, you know, finally get to chop it up with you.

Sir Daniel:

So when Jay Ray was reading off your bio, I just kept thinking to myself,

Sir Daniel:

Trey is like the quintessential Queue Points, uh, listener.

Sir Daniel:

You are the person that when we conceive this, um, this podcast, you

Sir Daniel:

are the person that we had in mind.

Sir Daniel:

So when Queue Points came around, like what did, was it like, was it a easy sell?

Sir Daniel:

Was it a hard sell?

Sir Daniel:

Were you on board immediately?

Sir Daniel:

Uh, tell, tell us what, what did you think when you first ran into Queue Points?

Trey Payadue:

Was not a hard tell at all for me.

Trey Payadue:

Uh, 'cause like these are the types of conversations that I have.

Trey Payadue:

So, like my friend Lance these are the conversations that like we've

Trey Payadue:

been having since 2000 when I met him.

Trey Payadue:

Right?

Trey Payadue:

So, like, you know, I think I once once wrote a review for

Trey Payadue:

you guys where I said it was my conversational fantasies fulfilled.

Trey Payadue:

That's exactly what it is.

Trey Payadue:

'cause it is just really just chopping it up about music, talking about history.

Trey Payadue:

I like doing my fan theories.

Trey Payadue:

The what could have been, what should have been, and all of those things.

Trey Payadue:

And so, yeah, so easy sell.

Jay Ray:

Thank you so much.

Jay Ray:

So Trey, uh, we wanna take a moment and just like love on you a little bit.

Jay Ray:

So I feel like the people need to understand how important Trey is to.

Jay Ray:

What we do here, Queue Points.

Jay Ray:

So I looked up some stuff and I think this is really dope.

Jay Ray:

So Queue Points was started in 2021.

Jay Ray:

Um, you were the very first person.

Jay Ray:

Well, okay, we went through a period of time, right?

Jay Ray:

We were growing Queue Points, right.

Jay Ray:

We were trying to figure out what we were gonna do.

Jay Ray:

So we had like membership tiers.

Jay Ray:

You were the first person to buy one.

Jay Ray:

And not only did you buy one, you bought a year, right?

Jay Ray:

So that's you also, I was like, oh, Trey, you were literally the

Jay Ray:

second customer in our store.

Jay Ray:

And not only were you the second customer in the store, you bought almost everything

Jay Ray:

that we had like the, out the gate.

Jay Ray:

So.

Jay Ray:

And everything that we've done.

Jay Ray:

So you were, you've been part of, of focus groups that we've

Jay Ray:

had, you've been part of.

Jay Ray:

Like, we did our, we tested out our sidebar show like earlier in the year.

Jay Ray:

You are of course part of that.

Jay Ray:

You show up on these Thursdays when you can show up.

Jay Ray:

You listen to the show, when you can listen.

Jay Ray:

We just appreciate you, man.

Jay Ray:

So just thank you,

Trey Payadue:

I appreciate it.

Trey Payadue:

You know, again, I enjoy it.

Trey Payadue:

So that's why, you know, I support if, you know, whatever

Trey Payadue:

I can to do, can do to support.

Trey Payadue:

That's what I do.

Trey Payadue:

So.

Jay Ray:

man.

Sir Daniel:

that this is when people say support is a verb,

Sir Daniel:

this is what they mean by that.

Sir Daniel:

So yes, we absolutely appreciate you and just love you day one.

Sir Daniel:

Love you down.

Sir Daniel:

And if you haven't noticed, and we did say in the, in the intro that our brother is

Sir Daniel:

from New Orleans, specifically the West.

Sir Daniel:

The West Bank.

Sir Daniel:

Correct.

Trey Payadue:

Correct.

Sir Daniel:

So let's just hop into it.

Sir Daniel:

When people, when people find out that you are from New Orleans,

Sir Daniel:

they make, I'm pretty certain they make assumptions about what kind of

Sir Daniel:

music you like and what you're into.

Sir Daniel:

So just give us a little insight into the breath of what it, of what

Sir Daniel:

you're in, what you appreciate.

Sir Daniel:

We heard a little bit in the bio, but tell us a little bit about your music taste.

Trey Payadue:

So again, my first love is just r and d. I

Trey Payadue:

was raised on r and b. Right.

Trey Payadue:

That, that was my first love.

Trey Payadue:

But of course I grew up in the church, so I mean, of course

Trey Payadue:

there's the gospel influence there.

Trey Payadue:

Um, I'm in New Orleans, so there's jazz, there's funk, like there's

Trey Payadue:

origination of hip hop, right?

Trey Payadue:

Like bounce started in New Orleans, it's the home, right?

Trey Payadue:

So that was our version of hip hop that later led to like juvenile

Trey Payadue:

and all these other folks.

Trey Payadue:

Um, you know, so of course I was a part of that culture coming up.

Trey Payadue:

Um, but also like I have influence from both my mom and my dad.

Trey Payadue:

Like my dad was into like rock.

Trey Payadue:

Like I would go steal and listen to some of his, like rock albums,

Trey Payadue:

like Pink Floyd and stuff like that.

Trey Payadue:

Um, so like.

Trey Payadue:

Of like everything, which is honestly kind of the culture of New Orleans.

Trey Payadue:

On any random night, you can go somewhere in New Orleans and you're gonna find at

Trey Payadue:

least five bands playing in different pockets of the city, and they're all

Trey Payadue:

playing different music, different things.

Trey Payadue:

And so, yes, so growing up in New Orleans, I, it was a combination

Trey Payadue:

of a lot of things, right?

Trey Payadue:

All at.

Jay Ray:

Um, to that point, uh, who was the first artist that you remember

Jay Ray:

just like absolutely falling in love with, and that was like your artist.

Jay Ray:

Who was that?

Jay Ray:

And why did you fall in love with them?

Trey Payadue:

So that is an easy one for me.

Trey Payadue:

I'm gonna be honest.

Trey Payadue:

Janet Jackson.

Trey Payadue:

All, all the way.

Trey Payadue:

A hundred percent.

Trey Payadue:

So I, I was, so, I was a kid.

Trey Payadue:

I was born in 1981, right?

Trey Payadue:

So I wasn't here for the first album, but I made it for the second album.

Trey Payadue:

Right?

Trey Payadue:

And, so like, just seeing, like, of course, videos were thing,

Trey Payadue:

I'm a, I, I tell people all the time, I'm an MTV baby, right?

Trey Payadue:

I was born when MTV was created.

Trey Payadue:

I had big cousins who I grew up.

Trey Payadue:

That's what we watched.

Trey Payadue:

You sitting on my left, we gonna watch MTV, we gonna watch these videos, right?

Trey Payadue:

And so one of the first artists that I just absolutely fell in love with

Trey Payadue:

the music was Jayna Jackson, right?

Trey Payadue:

I was a kid who loved to dance, right?

Trey Payadue:

There was always so much energy in her music.

Trey Payadue:

Um, like the, the subject matter of the music was always to me, just like fun.

Trey Payadue:

And it just kind of captured my imagination as a kid.

Trey Payadue:

And for me, it's just one of those artists.

Trey Payadue:

'cause like I really feel like Janet came into her own on that control album.

Trey Payadue:

So like, I think that's when I gained consciousness or awareness.

Trey Payadue:

And so for me, all of my life, Janet has been one of those artists

Trey Payadue:

that have been a part of my life, like from the very beginning.

Trey Payadue:

Sure.

Jay Ray:

Oh, okay.

Jay Ray:

So now we have to ask the question.

Jay Ray:

It's funny that you mentioned that you came in on Dream Street 'cause as dj, sir

Jay Ray:

Daniel knows, and you probably know by now, Trey, that's like not my favorite.

Jay Ray:

So that's really interesting.

Jay Ray:

So here's the question.

Jay Ray:

What's your favorite Janet album?

Jay Ray:

I'm curious.

Trey Payadue:

Velvet Rope.

Trey Payadue:

Hands down, level rope.

Trey Payadue:

It is, for me, it is I guess her most introspective, most personal album

Trey Payadue:

for me that that was my teenage years.

Trey Payadue:

So like also I'm at that point, I, you know, I feel like most

Trey Payadue:

people love the album, honestly.

Trey Payadue:

Usually when you're about that age, 'cause you're feeling in all the fields.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

So they were, they were just things that I identified with.

Trey Payadue:

It was actually probably my first, I guess you could say, major concert

Trey Payadue:

that I had ever been to, like was Janet Jackson, velvet Rope tour.

Trey Payadue:

So like for so many reasons, that's my favorite.

Trey Payadue:

But just music alone, like to me, that's my favorite.

Sir Daniel:

that makes a lot of sense.

Sir Daniel:

And you know, Janet, um, has done the Essence Fest numerous times, and I kind

Sir Daniel:

of want to go back to New Orleans for a second because prior to us coming

Sir Daniel:

on, we were talking about New Orleans being in the zeitgeist right now, a

Sir Daniel:

lot of conversation around New Orleans.

Sir Daniel:

You know, we are in the 20th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina,

Sir Daniel:

so that's bringing up a lot of different conversations as well.

Sir Daniel:

I saw recently a viral clip going on.

Sir Daniel:

There was a, a second line band going down the street, um, like they usually do, and.

Sir Daniel:

Apparently they went past the bar and um, this bar, of course, was

Sir Daniel:

full of clear people that, and they were incensed that the second line

Sir Daniel:

band was playing outside of the bar.

Sir Daniel:

I don't know, maybe because they had a concert going on or something

Sir Daniel:

inside, but, and they came out and they literally attacked the ban.

Sir Daniel:

So I guess my question, not really a question, but an observation is

Sir Daniel:

around the country we see instances of, um, of interlopers coming

Sir Daniel:

into the culture, coming into situations where, where we have set

Sir Daniel:

a tone, we have created a culture, we have created this atmosphere.

Sir Daniel:

But then there are interlopers that come into the, um, come into the,

Sir Daniel:

into the spaces that we've created.

Sir Daniel:

But then they want to come in and, you know.

Sir Daniel:

Push us out or, you know, or, or be belligerent or whatever.

Sir Daniel:

There's a whole lot of different feelings that go on sometimes.

Sir Daniel:

But as somebody, as a native and somebody who is there, what is your experience

Sir Daniel:

with that when you see, you know, people that don't necessarily, I don't know

Sir Daniel:

if they don't have the respect for the space, but they're, they're trying to

Sir Daniel:

commandeer it, they're trying to, you know, turn it into their own or, and,

Sir Daniel:

and not be respectful of the people who are the essence of the culture.

Sir Daniel:

What, what is your experience with that and talk to us about, you know,

Sir Daniel:

do you feel like essence, not essence that New Orleans as a culture is being

Sir Daniel:

protected, or is it being exploited?

Trey Payadue:

I think so to agree.

Trey Payadue:

I think both are true and both can be true.

Trey Payadue:

Right?

Trey Payadue:

So this is a city that's deep in like black culture, black heritage, right?

Trey Payadue:

Music is a central part of the city, right?

Trey Payadue:

And you always have, this is one of those cities where people of all shapes

Trey Payadue:

and sizes, they move to the city because of the culture, because of the vibe.

Trey Payadue:

But there are also those people who move here but then want to

Trey Payadue:

change aspects of the city, right?

Trey Payadue:

So like it is not unusual for.

Trey Payadue:

A, a band to be playing in the street.

Trey Payadue:

It is not unusual for you to go down Bourbon Street or some other street

Trey Payadue:

and there's teenagers, sometimes kids playing the bucket drums on the street.

Trey Payadue:

Like it is not unusual to see those things.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

And so you do have people of all cultures who come down and respect it.

Trey Payadue:

That's what they came here for, right?

Trey Payadue:

New Orleans is literally a city of we all outside, we outside that,

Trey Payadue:

that's what New Orleans is about.

Trey Payadue:

Right?

Trey Payadue:

Um, and, but you always have those, those folks who come in

Trey Payadue:

and we, we know how it happens.

Trey Payadue:

They come in and then they want to change things, right?

Trey Payadue:

It's like you move into the French Quarter, you pay a a million, $2 million

Trey Payadue:

to get this property in the French Quarter, but then you get mad when

Trey Payadue:

somebody is playing in, in the band till two in the morning outside your doorstep.

Trey Payadue:

Like

Jay Ray:

you.

Trey Payadue:

they were here before you, they were way before you.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

So I mean, that's a thing.

Trey Payadue:

Um, and it also like culturally, like, I'm probably gonna say something

Trey Payadue:

that, you know, might be a little controversial, but like there are

Trey Payadue:

styles of music that have started here or things that have started here that.

Trey Payadue:

Other folks have kind of taken and kind of taken a piece of that culture

Trey Payadue:

here, a piece of that culture there.

Trey Payadue:

Like there's so many people in New Orleans that influenced the music industry period.

Trey Payadue:

And this has been forever, right?

Trey Payadue:

For years, right.

Trey Payadue:

Um, and so there are things, and the latest thing that I can just

Trey Payadue:

point to is for instance, right?

Trey Payadue:

So bounce music, bounce culture, right?

Trey Payadue:

Started.

Trey Payadue:

Here in New Orleans, it was based off, like, one of the original Bounce songs

Trey Payadue:

was actually based off a track, um, drag rap that was a rapper or somebody

Trey Payadue:

from, uh, from New York City, but took that one thing and then turned it and

Trey Payadue:

flipped it to something else, right?

Trey Payadue:

And so bounce music has grown over the years.

Trey Payadue:

Then you had a period in the 2010s where, you know, I'm gonna call out

Trey Payadue:

some black people too, who they, they latch on to this culture,

Trey Payadue:

this black music, and then all of a sudden you see it in popular music.

Trey Payadue:

Drake is doing it.

Trey Payadue:

Um, what's GEV is doing Like all, all of these people are drawing

Trey Payadue:

from that culture because that's the sound they wanted at the time.

Trey Payadue:

But then when they're done, they leave it right there and

Trey Payadue:

then we on to the next thing.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

Um, and don't get me wrong, there are artists who pay

Trey Payadue:

respect and they do it right.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

So, like for instance, uh, Beyonce, people gonna say Beyonce.

Trey Payadue:

Beyonce has borrowed from.

Trey Payadue:

Louisiana culture, new Orleans culture for years.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

But I've always felt like Beyonce has kind of been, if we, it, like

Trey Payadue:

she grew up in Houston, a lot of us Louisiana's New Orleans folk.

Trey Payadue:

We have a synergy with Houston.

Trey Payadue:

That music traveled back and forth.

Trey Payadue:

We got screw music, they got bounce music.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

And so, but there was always like a respect there.

Trey Payadue:

And like, she's borrowed things of course.

Trey Payadue:

But at the same time, uh, Beyonce also one of those folks who have given props or

Trey Payadue:

recognized the folks who like created it.

Trey Payadue:

Like, you know, I've been in a concert and she, on stage, she was at the

Trey Payadue:

Essence Fest, Josephine, Johnny.

Trey Payadue:

And then she said, I got this from y'all.

Trey Payadue:

Y'all better get hyped.

Trey Payadue:

right.

Trey Payadue:

Like, so, like, acknowledge what you, what you take or what you recognize, you know.

Jay Ray:

You know what Tre, I'm, I'm curious, 'cause you mentioned,

Jay Ray:

um, second line, um, or we were just kind of having this conversation.

Jay Ray:

If you can describe, for those who don't know, I don't wanna assume that

Jay Ray:

the people that are tuning into Queue Points know what that experience is like.

Jay Ray:

How would you describe the second line experience?

Jay Ray:

feeling, all of it.

Trey Payadue:

I, I, I don't know if there's a good way to describe

Trey Payadue:

it 'cause it's really so many things, but really it's just

Trey Payadue:

literally the, the power of culture.

Trey Payadue:

Everybody being on the same page, right?

Trey Payadue:

And just experiencing, right, this music, this joy.

Trey Payadue:

Sometimes it's for purpose, right?

Trey Payadue:

Sometimes new.

Trey Payadue:

We are notorious for celebrating somebody's death

Trey Payadue:

with a second line, right?

Trey Payadue:

So it might be somebody famous who the city has embraced and we gonna have

Trey Payadue:

a second line to celebrate, right?

Trey Payadue:

It's a celebration of life, right?

Trey Payadue:

And it's a celebration of the life we have, celebration

Trey Payadue:

of life we're remembering.

Trey Payadue:

And so it's really just one, I don't wanna say big love, love fest, but

Trey Payadue:

you know, it's really just the spirit.

Trey Payadue:

It's really one of those cities, or it's one of those things where you just feel

Trey Payadue:

the culture and the spirit of the city.

Trey Payadue:

I, it can't, best way to describe it.

Sir Daniel:

That's a great point because I think with a lot of, um, black, uh,

Sir Daniel:

diaspora, oh, is this the right word?

Jay Ray:

diasporic?

Jay Ray:

Dias.

Sir Daniel:

Cult

Jay Ray:

that's right.

Trey Payadue:

That sounds right.

Sir Daniel:

people, right.

Sir Daniel:

Y'all know what I'm trying to say?

Sir Daniel:

Black folks, we, wherever we are spiritually, we, we have

Sir Daniel:

an outlook on life and death.

Sir Daniel:

And we, the, I think across the board, you see, when somebody transitions, we

Sir Daniel:

sell, it's a celebration because we are, we, we, that has been passed down is that

Sir Daniel:

we understand that there's something on the other side and in, and in order to

Sir Daniel:

usher that person into the other side, there has to be some type of celebratory,

Sir Daniel:

um, uh, uh, uh, a celebration.

Sir Daniel:

And, and the music is with that.

Sir Daniel:

And I love, and, and it's so funny when I, I hear people, and I've said this before

Sir Daniel:

on the show, I hear people talk about or try to, to create lines between, um, who

Sir Daniel:

we are as people, whether we can, what.

Sir Daniel:

What, where we, the ship dropped us off and trying to

Sir Daniel:

say that we're not connected.

Sir Daniel:

No, we all are connected.

Sir Daniel:

Like when you listen to bounce music, to me, calling and response is

Sir Daniel:

something that see across the diaspora.

Sir Daniel:

Calling and response is in every last one of our cultures.

Sir Daniel:

And so that's why when, when, you know, when I got introduced to bounce music, it

Sir Daniel:

was, it just, it just felt natural, like a natural extension of how we all celebrate.

Sir Daniel:

I'm from, I'm from the, um, from the West Indies, uh, carnival is the same thing.

Sir Daniel:

We are all out in the streets in plumage, colorful, you know, winding

Sir Daniel:

our waistlines to to, to no end.

Sir Daniel:

And so I, I just, I don't know when you hear things like that,

Sir Daniel:

when you hear people try to.

Sir Daniel:

Separate us by countries and by, uh, and, and, you know, especially black people.

Sir Daniel:

Trey, like, how do you feel when you hear that, knowing what you know about

Sir Daniel:

music and knowing about the history of, of black people as a, as this world is

Sir Daniel:

concerned, how does that make you feel?

Trey Payadue:

Look, music is like powerful and especially in the diaspora, right?

Trey Payadue:

Music is one of those things that connects us.

Trey Payadue:

It's like food, music, right?

Trey Payadue:

And draw, we all draw inspiration, and there are.

Trey Payadue:

Overlaps are things that, you know, that are a baseline, right?

Trey Payadue:

And so we've just been influenced by other cultures.

Trey Payadue:

And so as we spread those things just translated differently in different

Trey Payadue:

areas of the country, different areas, you know, of the world, right?

Trey Payadue:

Like there are similarities, right?

Trey Payadue:

To, um, Haiti for New Orleans.

Trey Payadue:

Haiti is our sister city, right?

Trey Payadue:

There are similarities down in Brazil, right?

Trey Payadue:

So like some of music, when you listen to some of these

Trey Payadue:

music, some of the music, right?

Trey Payadue:

There are so many similarities.

Trey Payadue:

Like there's a baseline there.

Trey Payadue:

And I think we're all connected in more ways than like people

Trey Payadue:

realize or people think.

Trey Payadue:

Um, and especially when you just talk about black music, like

Trey Payadue:

there's a baseline there, right?

Trey Payadue:

Especially in America that, you know, you just can't deny that.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

You know that this is bringing up for me, um, Trey is the fact that,

Jay Ray:

um, I'll use me for, for example, um, music for me is about the feeling.

Jay Ray:

And when you start talking about that baseline or those feelings that kind of

Jay Ray:

translate across, um, uh, uh, cultures or across, you know, wherever we are,

Jay Ray:

we know there's a feeling that we get where we can all look at one another

Jay Ray:

and be like, oh yeah, that's it.

Jay Ray:

Like that thing They in that thing.

Jay Ray:

Um, I'm curious for you as a, as a music listener, what hits you first?

Jay Ray:

Is it like melody or is it like lyrics?

Jay Ray:

Like where do you go first as kind of like your barometer as a listener to

Jay Ray:

know if you are really feeling a song?

Trey Payadue:

For me, the first thing is always melody, right?

Trey Payadue:

It's, it's always melody.

Trey Payadue:

Um, as my good friend Latrice would say, is that beat right?

Jay Ray:

beat,

Trey Payadue:

That's, that's what it is, is that beat, um, you know, it, it's,

Trey Payadue:

it's the sound, it's the feeling, right?

Trey Payadue:

It's feeling the bass in your chest, right?

Trey Payadue:

It's feeling the, the music and the spirit of it.

Trey Payadue:

And to me, that's what carries.

Trey Payadue:

So it's the first thing for me.

Trey Payadue:

But then of course, like lyrics matter, right?

Trey Payadue:

Lyrics matter and, you know, lyrics gives, um, I guess.

Trey Payadue:

The beat direction, right?

Trey Payadue:

It tells us where we going, what we feeling, right?

Trey Payadue:

It's a narrative to the story, right?

Trey Payadue:

Um, and so it's equally as important, but the first thing for me is

Trey Payadue:

it, it has to move me, right?

Trey Payadue:

And whatever I'm feeling, or take me somewhere, right?

Trey Payadue:

There's some music that takes you, this place.

Trey Payadue:

There's some music that takes you another place.

Trey Payadue:

So.

Jay Ray:

Mm. Real quick.

Jay Ray:

So th this is perfect.

Jay Ray:

So a couple things.

Jay Ray:

Who, who, what you really into like right now?

Jay Ray:

Like what is.

Jay Ray:

Your thing that you like really into right now, and also we want to know, is

Jay Ray:

there somebody from Louisiana that we need to be paying attention to that people

Jay Ray:

are not paying as much attention to?

Jay Ray:

So who you listening to and who should we be paying attention to?

Jay Ray:

That's from where you from?

Trey Payadue:

Okay, so I'll start with who I'm listening to, right?

Trey Payadue:

So first of all, I, I have to preface, I'm coming off of Beyonce summer, so

Trey Payadue:

like Beyonce is still in rotation for me.

Trey Payadue:

It is, it's still in rotation for me, but Beyonce aside.

Trey Payadue:

Okay, so like I listen to, like things I listen to on a daily basis.

Trey Payadue:

Like I listen to Victoria Monet, I listened to India,

Trey Payadue:

Sean, Janelle, Monet, Kate.

Trey Payadue:

Um, one of my favorites, like honestly for the past few years since he

Trey Payadue:

came out was kli, uh, lucky Day.

Trey Payadue:

Lucky Day is like one of my go-to like r and b. Things, um, I've been

Trey Payadue:

feeling on the hip hop side, uh, Megan thee stallion all day, right?

Trey Payadue:

We got, we got a Houston connection.

Trey Payadue:

Uh, Doce has been like dope for me.

Trey Payadue:

Um, I listen to a little bit of everything, so like, you know,

Trey Payadue:

I'm on that clips album, like,

Jay Ray:

That

Trey Payadue:

like, uh, that's, it's really, really, really,

Trey Payadue:

really, really good, right?

Trey Payadue:

Um, and even like, you know, artists that don't necessarily get their shine right?

Trey Payadue:

But like, um, Duran Bernard, I went to this concert like a couple months ago.

Trey Payadue:

Amazing concert.

Trey Payadue:

Um, Dustin Conrad.

Trey Payadue:

There's another artist I've been kind of listening to.

Trey Payadue:

I, I think it, it's spelled KWN, I think it's K one.

Jay Ray:

Oh, yeah.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

I like, I like their work.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Trey Payadue:

I listened to that album and I'm like, okay, going into rotation.

Trey Payadue:

All right.

Trey Payadue:

Um, as far as like Louisiana.

Trey Payadue:

Artists base, Louisiana.

Trey Payadue:

I mean, we really have so many, but I can tell you right now, my absolute

Trey Payadue:

favorite band is Tank and The Bangers.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

Um, I've seen them several times and every time they come down I,

Trey Payadue:

I try to go see 'em at some point.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

Um, there's a new artist, I, I think he just dropped a project

Trey Payadue:

with PJ Martin couple weeks ago.

Trey Payadue:

Zi, so young kid doing hip hop out of New Orleans.

Trey Payadue:

And it is just, it's young, it's fresh, it's different.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

Um, and so I've, past couple weeks I've been giving him a spin.

Trey Payadue:

Um, you mentioned Dawn Rash earlier.

Trey Payadue:

So like she has always like, obviously national fame, um, you know, dirty money.

Trey Payadue:

The, you know, to be fair, I didn't care for her when she was with that pop group,

Jay Ray:

right.

Trey Payadue:

but

Jay Ray:

Her is so

Trey Payadue:

Her solo stuff, you know, even like the, the dirty money stuff

Trey Payadue:

and then everything forward from that.

Trey Payadue:

Like, she's just been like super creative and I love how she honors her roots.

Trey Payadue:

Like she did a, a album a couple years ago that I love.

Trey Payadue:

Um, let's see, local folks.

Trey Payadue:

Um, there's a artist, jelly Joseph, I don't think she's ever put out

Trey Payadue:

any projects, but she used to, she occasionally or used to sing

Trey Payadue:

background in Tank and a banger.

Trey Payadue:

She was on that tiny desk.

Trey Payadue:

She was the, the background singer.

Trey Payadue:

But like she does show locally around, uh, new Orleans area and she did a song

Trey Payadue:

with a bounce rapper, hot Sizzle that like has always, it's on summer rotation

Trey Payadue:

every summer, like, um, and then, you know, that's kinda like the local folks

Trey Payadue:

that I listen to out Wil throw out there.

Trey Payadue:

I love Lucky Day.

Trey Payadue:

He is from New Orleans.

Trey Payadue:

Um, and

Jay Ray:

un because, uh, Kari mentioned in the chat didn't know that.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

Lucky Day was from New

Trey Payadue:

Lucky it is from New Orleans.

Trey Payadue:

And then also, um, there.

Trey Payadue:

And see the name is gonna escape me just 'cause I, um, he's,

Trey Payadue:

he's not singing right now.

Trey Payadue:

He's been in his acting bag.

Trey Payadue:

What is this guy's name?

Trey Payadue:

It's gonna come to me.

Trey Payadue:

I, I gotta remember who I'm, I'm thinking of his name escapes me right now.

Trey Payadue:

Um, but yeah, so that's what I've been listening to.

Trey Payadue:

Local people.

Trey Payadue:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

You know, hearing you talk about them and describe them.

Sir Daniel:

I know that there are so many people, especially on the local

Sir Daniel:

level that are beloved and, but they don't necessarily have, um.

Sir Daniel:

They don't, they don't have a label.

Sir Daniel:

They don't necessarily have projects, but like that whole, um, like the,

Sir Daniel:

the culture of the bounce artist, like your, um, your, like your Katy Reds,

Sir Daniel:

like your, um, oh, like your high sizzle, uh, what is my guy's name?

Sir Daniel:

He, people are always comparing him to Frida because he came out before Frida.

Sir Daniel:

And people are always like, well, why aren't you as big as Frida?

Sir Daniel:

You know who I'm talking about?

Sir Daniel:

Sissy Nubby, sissy you know, people, um, people in that, in that bag.

Sir Daniel:

I've noticed that the city embraces them.

Sir Daniel:

Um, they, they make a living.

Sir Daniel:

Clearly because they get, they do shows on a regular basis, but I find that

Sir Daniel:

such a fascinating ecosystem that you don't even necessarily need to venture

Sir Daniel:

outside of New Orleans to be, to be considered a star in New Orleans.

Sir Daniel:

And so, I don't know, talk to us about the, the mc, um, factor.

Sir Daniel:

The, the, yeah.

Sir Daniel:

The mc factor of, or of being a bounce artist in New Orleans,

Sir Daniel:

and like, what makes somebody special in that, in that respect?

Sir Daniel:

Because like you said, somebody they don't, don't necessarily have a album, but

Sir Daniel:

they rock the hell out of these parties and to us about the chanting and, and

Sir Daniel:

what is it, what makes a good chance?

Trey Payadue:

You know, uh, so I can say as a kid who grew up with Bounce right?

Trey Payadue:

The chanting, it's a thing, but at the, at the end of the day, right,

Trey Payadue:

this person was the mc and they were all about bringing like the energy.

Trey Payadue:

I can't tell you what makes a good chant.

Trey Payadue:

'cause it could be something so simple.

Trey Payadue:

Like she went to the store like that.

Trey Payadue:

Like they, they literally, literally will make a chant out of anything.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

But like I've had the experience of being in a club before in New Orleans, right?

Trey Payadue:

In my late teens, early twenties.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

And we in a club and they just hand somebody a mic and say, hit do something.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

And, and it will literally be, anything can come out they mouth.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

A lot of bounce songs that, you know.

Trey Payadue:

Became big songs were literally like club recording.

Trey Payadue:

Somebody was in the club and just happened to be recording what

Trey Payadue:

was happening in, in the club.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

And so, you know, honestly, a, a part of the call response

Trey Payadue:

is just having good energy.

Trey Payadue:

Right?

Trey Payadue:

It is knowing who your audience is, I'm sure.

Trey Payadue:

And speaking to that audience, right.

Trey Payadue:

It's, um, you know, keeping the energy, keeping the, the party going because a lot

Trey Payadue:

of it is based on keeping the party going and the energy that the folks wanna feel.

Trey Payadue:

Right?

Trey Payadue:

And so, I don't know, it is just been fun.

Trey Payadue:

I'm gonna just say, you know, it was a time to be alive in the late

Trey Payadue:

nineties, early two thousands.

Trey Payadue:

From the 99 to the two thousands.

Trey Payadue:

It, was rare.

Sir Daniel:

Right.

Sir Daniel:

Jay Ray, what I find so interesting about that, it's that, um, new Orleans

Sir Daniel:

literally with that scene is literally like the last example, living example

Sir Daniel:

of what New York used to be when MCs would just fall through the club.

Sir Daniel:

Um, they didn't have, they didn't have their own records.

Sir Daniel:

They literally are just rhyming off of instrumentals.

Sir Daniel:

Like you wrote your rap based on the instrumental that you

Sir Daniel:

memorized, and if you heard it that night, you would start flowing.

Sir Daniel:

Today, the kids down in New Orleans do the same thing.

Sir Daniel:

You know, they, they, they come up with a chant right off the top of their

Sir Daniel:

head or they've written something.

Sir Daniel:

And I think it's just so funny to me that, that, or I'm not even gonna say that.

Sir Daniel:

It may have started, it could have been a simultaneous combustion

Sir Daniel:

our artistry from both up in, both up top and, and, and the bottom.

Sir Daniel:

You know, like, but I just find that so fascinating.

Sir Daniel:

But there's that line, there's that through line that, that connection still.

Jay Ray:

You know what?

Jay Ray:

This is also bringing up too.

Jay Ray:

I'm wondering.

Jay Ray:

I don't know.

Jay Ray:

I, I've been to New Orleans now a few times.

Jay Ray:

Trey, thank you so much because like one of the first times I came to New Orleans,

Jay Ray:

you like scoop me up in the car and we went around, I had the best time, right?

Jay Ray:

So I'm curious to know in the, uh, na I guess I'll use nationalization.

Jay Ray:

I don't know if that's really the word I want to use, but as things have become,

Jay Ray:

oh, hello mom, I'm my mom's here.

Jay Ray:

I'm like, live on

Trey Payadue:

Hi.

Jay Ray:

But, um, I'm like, what?

Jay Ray:

Um.

Jay Ray:

One second y'all.

Jay Ray:

She's very committed.

Jay Ray:

Um, I'm curious to know in kind of the, the standardization of

Jay Ray:

like radio, the, the way that, um, things just kind of, everybody plays

Jay Ray:

a little bit of the same things.

Jay Ray:

Has New Orleans been able to maintain, um, that that thing that makes

Jay Ray:

New Orleans, new Orleans like do is, are there still stations where

Jay Ray:

you can hear like local artists being played and all of that stuff?

Jay Ray:

Has some of that been able to be maintained there?

Jay Ray:

I'm curious.

Trey Payadue:

I think so.

Trey Payadue:

I mean, clearly there is like, uh, there is a nationalization,

Trey Payadue:

especially like local radios.

Trey Payadue:

Like, so one of the local radio stations was Q 93, right?

Trey Payadue:

And so it's kind of gone the way in some ways where now the

Trey Payadue:

syndicated shows have taken over.

Trey Payadue:

So now we're playing Breakfast Club in the morning Angelique d midday

Trey Payadue:

when, like when I was growing up, there was a morning show, right?

Trey Payadue:

It was a local morning show.

Trey Payadue:

There was somebody who did the lunch, there was somebody who did the rush

Trey Payadue:

hour, and then, uh, while Wayne would come on after six or seven, right?

Trey Payadue:

Take us home, and then there's that late night person, right?

Trey Payadue:

And that late night is like, obviously throughout the day they, you know, we

Trey Payadue:

would play the r and b and, you know, Q 93 was a kind of a hip hop station as well.

Trey Payadue:

So they would play those things.

Trey Payadue:

But like at night.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

It was like a lot of local stuff like being played, like there

Trey Payadue:

we were playing local stuff.

Trey Payadue:

I forget, and I, it escapes me right now, but there, there used to be

Trey Payadue:

like an hour where they would play all the bounce music on the radio.

Trey Payadue:

Like,

Jay Ray:

I love that.

Trey Payadue:

you know, and like that, that's what it was.

Trey Payadue:

And so, you know, in some aspects, yes, they still do that.

Trey Payadue:

Like usually on a Friday night, a Saturday night or something like that,

Trey Payadue:

you still get that, I don't think as much.

Trey Payadue:

But you still do get that, you know, with the invention.

Trey Payadue:

Everybody's streaming now and everybody's doing their own thing, but locally, like

Trey Payadue:

people are still playing that music.

Jay Ray:

That's awesome, man.

Jay Ray:

Um, so in terms of music at this moment, um, what are you noticing?

Jay Ray:

Like, what are you picking up on in terms of like, stuff that you like, like trends

Jay Ray:

that you like or, and what things that you're like, eh, I'm not as into that.

Jay Ray:

I'm not really into this.

Jay Ray:

Um, so trends that you, like, trends that you don't like.

Trey Payadue:

Okay, I'm gonna stay on the positive side right now.

Trey Payadue:

I really like.

Trey Payadue:

I feel like we are finally turning the tide on this depression that has happened

Trey Payadue:

in hip hop and r and b music 2010s.

Trey Payadue:

Like, so I feel like we're finally turning the tide into like,

Trey Payadue:

music that is more like joyful.

Trey Payadue:

And it's different.

Trey Payadue:

It's not all of this slow, you know, everybody is not on syrup.

Trey Payadue:

Like I, I feel like we're finally turning that tide.

Trey Payadue:

Um, the other thing is that I'm enjoying seeing artists bring

Trey Payadue:

like, musicianship back, right?

Trey Payadue:

And like, especially in like the r and b space, like there

Trey Payadue:

are artists like her, right?

Trey Payadue:

Who you know is, is playing the music, right?

Trey Payadue:

There's artists like Victoria Monet, who like you listen to her album and it's

Trey Payadue:

not just like, you know, sample tracks.

Trey Payadue:

Not gonna say she doesn't have anything mixed in there, but there's like.

Trey Payadue:

Musicianship in it, right?

Trey Payadue:

Like it can easily translate to a live band playing this on stage.

Trey Payadue:

You got, um, you know, r and b is not dead.

Trey Payadue:

Like there are people out here who are doing the thing, it's a modern r and

Trey Payadue:

b, but still r and b, like nonetheless.

Trey Payadue:

And then you got people who are doing the traditional r and b as well.

Trey Payadue:

So I like that we're kind of seeing that turn, especially

Trey Payadue:

in r and b, also in hip hop.

Trey Payadue:

I, I'm happy that some of us are rapping again, some of

Jay Ray:

Yo.

Jay Ray:

They rapping now.

Jay Ray:

I'm excited.

Trey Payadue:

right?

Trey Payadue:

Yes.

Trey Payadue:

They, they are rapping again.

Trey Payadue:

And so like, you know, I am, I'm loving that trend.

Trey Payadue:

I'm loving that trend.

Trey Payadue:

Um, I think, you know, a lot of folks are getting back to like, lyricism, right?

Trey Payadue:

And like words, meaning things like, you know, like all of that.

Trey Payadue:

So like I am excited to kind of see that, um.

Trey Payadue:

I guess things that grind my gears a little bit.

Trey Payadue:

I know we're in streaming culture right now, so like everybody is making

Trey Payadue:

short tracks to like, I guess, appease the streamers to get the streams up.

Trey Payadue:

And so those types of things kind of grind my gears sometimes.

Trey Payadue:

So when I see artists who like actually think about a full length something,

Trey Payadue:

um, I appreciate when the artist does a full cohesive album, like bring back

Trey Payadue:

albums, bring 'em back, like, you know, give me a concept, give me a rollout.

Trey Payadue:

Like, you know, give me something.

Trey Payadue:

Right?

Trey Payadue:

So, you know, that that's the things that I, I'm still looking for.

Trey Payadue:

And there are artists who are out there doing it, but you know, you know

Trey Payadue:

that, that that's what I wanna see.

Sir Daniel:

love that you know what the time has come.

Sir Daniel:

Jay Ray,

Jay Ray:

it has.

Sir Daniel:

that we are going to turn the tables and Trey, we want to give

Sir Daniel:

you the opportunity to ask us anything that you've always wanted to ask.

Sir Daniel:

Jay Ray or myself in regards to Queue Points, podcasting, whatever it is

Sir Daniel:

that's on your mind, this is your opportunity to just, you know, get inside

Sir Daniel:

our heads and just ask any question that you've ever want, wanted to know.

Trey Payadue:

Uh, before, before I do that, I'm just gonna take a second, right?

Trey Payadue:

And so I'm gonna, you gave me your flowers earlier, so I, I am gonna

Trey Payadue:

give Jay Ray his flowers right now, because, like, I've been, I, I mean,

Trey Payadue:

we've been knowing each other, I guess.

Trey Payadue:

For like 20 years maybe at this point, but you may not even know or

Trey Payadue:

remember this, but we're coming up on the 20th year anniversary of Katrina.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

So I'm, I'm bringing this up 'cause I was reminded of this, but when Katrina

Trey Payadue:

was happening, I was not in New Orleans time, I was living in Baton Rouge.

Trey Payadue:

And so I was not, quote unquote directly impacted, but I had lots of family

Trey Payadue:

and friends and everybody who, you know, people who were impacted by it.

Trey Payadue:

And what I remember, one of the things that I remember is.

Trey Payadue:

Jay Ray called me on the phone, he probably doesn't even remember, but

Trey Payadue:

he called me on the phone, uh, not even a few days later and just called

Trey Payadue:

to say, Hey, how are you doing?

Trey Payadue:

How is your family?

Trey Payadue:

What is going on?

Trey Payadue:

What is happening?

Trey Payadue:

Like, you know, and for that, I will forever be grateful.

Trey Payadue:

So I'm gonna give you your flowers.

Trey Payadue:

And that is a part of the reason why I support everything that you do.

Trey Payadue:

Right?

Trey Payadue:

It's 'cause just that little bit of kindness, you know, just goes a,

Trey Payadue:

a long way and goes the distance.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Trey Payadue:

So I'm gonna give you your flowers first.

Trey Payadue:

Okay.

Trey Payadue:

Um,

Sir Daniel:

me one bit.

Sir Daniel:

That doesn't surprise me one bit.

Sir Daniel:

That's who Jay Ray is.

Jay Ray:

you.

Trey Payadue:

Steve.

Trey Payadue:

Very special, very special.

Trey Payadue:

Um, so I guess question that I have, what is your favorite

Trey Payadue:

part about podcasting and spec?

Trey Payadue:

Uh, specifically, what's your favorite part about Queue Points?

Jay Ray:

Ooh, I, this is easy for me.

Jay Ray:

This is my favorite part actually.

Jay Ray:

Like the, the, the well one, you know, this is OG Queue Points for those of

Jay Ray:

you that are new to Queue I know we do a lot of stuff now, but this of the

Jay Ray:

purest version of what Queue Points was.

Jay Ray:

We started like this, it was conversations live between, uh, sir Daniel and

Jay Ray:

I, and I love the opportunity every Thursday to hop on and, and talk.

Jay Ray:

So this is my absolute favorite part of what we do.

Sir Daniel:

Hmm.

Trey Payadue:

awesome.

Sir Daniel:

am going to say I,

Sir Daniel:

I really love, I like, I like the, um, the cooking stage.

Sir Daniel:

I like the moment before you guys get to see us.

Sir Daniel:

Before we come on, before we come before you.

Sir Daniel:

I love when Jay Ray and I get to.

Sir Daniel:

And it's hilarious.

Sir Daniel:

When we get on these sprees, we get on these tangents and we just have one idea

Sir Daniel:

will spark, another idea, will spark another idea, and it's just limitless.

Sir Daniel:

And yeah, I, that's one of my favorite parts.

Sir Daniel:

And I think what I enjoy about this podcasting journey is the

Sir Daniel:

fact that I, I've partnered up with someone like a j Ray that makes

Sir Daniel:

it easy, that makes it enjoyable.

Sir Daniel:

And knowing the fact that we really do have a love for what we're

Sir Daniel:

talking about makes it, it's so seamless and so easy for us to do.

Sir Daniel:

So I think that's the best part, is that when you, if you're gonna do this

Sir Daniel:

thing, if you're gonna do it solo, or if you're gonna do it paired up or in

Sir Daniel:

a group, just knowing that you are, I guess, equally yoked with the person

Sir Daniel:

that you're working with, really, really makes a difference in your journey.

Jay Ray:

Mm. Love that.

Trey Payadue:

Awesome.

Jay Ray:

And ditto to everything

Trey Payadue:

Good answer.

Trey Payadue:

Good answer.

Trey Payadue:

Good answer.

Jay Ray:

Uh, anything else, Trey, um, that you want to ask us?

Trey Payadue:

Take.

Trey Payadue:

Okay.

Trey Payadue:

There's a clip going around of this argument between has Beyonce,

Jay Ray:

Oh,

Trey Payadue:

superseded Michael

Jay Ray:

Oh, I mean, throw

Trey Payadue:

Hot, hot Take.

Jay Ray:

let me, throw this keyboard.

Sir Daniel:

Huh.

Jay Ray:

gonna let Sir Daniel do it.

Jay Ray:

Like

Sir Daniel:

I don't know.

Sir Daniel:

See, I'm gonna be honest with you.

Sir Daniel:

Conversations like that exasperate me because I'm, it's just one

Sir Daniel:

of those things when you try to throw Beyonce or Chris Brown those

Jay Ray:

if they,

Trey Payadue:

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel:

it's, mm. It's like when we were growing up, nobody ever said, or at

Sir Daniel:

least I didn't hear anybody ever say, oh, that's the name, that's the next Sam Cook.

Jay Ray:

you know what?

Jay Ray:

That's the Prince next little, you know, he better Little Richard

Jay Ray:

wouldn't even say Prince, look at you crazy

Sir Daniel:

Never say that.

Sir Daniel:

Yeah.

Trey Payadue:

Yes, yes.

Sir Daniel:

so I think, I, I think whenever we hear those things based

Sir Daniel:

on the times that we're in, I just think it's rage baiting, it's click

Trey Payadue:

Mm-hmm.

Trey Payadue:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

to get people to start these fake, um.

Sir Daniel:

Intense conversations about people that you don't even, I don't even think

Sir Daniel:

that you're really into them like that.

Sir Daniel:

A lot of the, the people that want to have those conversations

Sir Daniel:

probably know a handful of Michael Jackson songs and that's it,

Trey Payadue:

and, that's it.

Sir Daniel:

make and want to make those comparisons.

Sir Daniel:

Uh, I don't even think Beyonce would make those comparisons.

Trey Payadue:

not.

Jay Ray:

would not.

Trey Payadue:

She would not.

Sir Daniel:

Michael Jackson and we've, we've done this show about one of ones.

Sir Daniel:

Michael is one of one.

Sir Daniel:

It's a comet in human form.

Sir Daniel:

You will never, ever see that again.

Sir Daniel:

Beyonce is exactly the same thing for completely different reasons.

Sir Daniel:

You will never see anyone like her ever again.

Sir Daniel:

So.

Sir Daniel:

I just as someone, and I, I don't, I don't mean to sound elitist, you know,

Sir Daniel:

even though Queue Points podcast is elite podcasting and music conversation, um, we

Jay Ray:

Right.

Sir Daniel:

we don't, I don't, we don't in indulge in those conversations

Sir Daniel:

because we just, we just know better.

Sir Daniel:

I'm sorry.

Sir Daniel:

We just know better.

Sir Daniel:

We just don't think it's, you know, it's, we just don't, we, look, we we're

Sir Daniel:

down.

Jay Ray:

Hold on.

Jay Ray:

We're like blue ivy.

Jay Ray:

Look it down from the balcony.

Trey Payadue:

right.

Sir Daniel:

can't be.

Jay Ray:

Right.

Jay Ray:

So, no, I absolutely agree with everything that Sir Daniel said.

Jay Ray:

I think it is weird.

Jay Ray:

I think it's part of staying culture too.

Trey Payadue:

Yes.

Jay Ray:

think where this really stems from is that

Jay Ray:

people, it's to have your faves.

Jay Ray:

Listen, I grew up and had my faves, also clear that my fla, my

Jay Ray:

faves have dropped plenty of duds.

Jay Ray:

Like, I'm like, I love them.

Jay Ray:

That album sucked really bad.

Jay Ray:

Like it's, and okay.

Jay Ray:

It doesn't take away anything from them.

Jay Ray:

It's just like everything can be, everything can be a bop.

Jay Ray:

So.

Jay Ray:

You, you're able to have, um, uh, uh, uh, oh not even context, but

Jay Ray:

it's just like the ability to be able to, uh, have multiple feelings about

Trey Payadue:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

And so I really feel like culture invite people be like, if you like this

Jay Ray:

person, you can't like that person.

Jay Ray:

No.

Jay Ray:

Folks, we were running around here liking Prince Michael Jackson,

Jay Ray:

Madonna, Tina Turner, Janet.

Jay Ray:

We was liking 'em.

Jay Ray:

All the people who liked Diana Ross also liked Gladys Knight.

Jay Ray:

Also liked Patti LaBelle.

Jay Ray:

Like, it's okay.

Jay Ray:

have to be so tied to it, and it is a weird conversation to be like,

Jay Ray:

has surpassed Michael Jackson.

Jay Ray:

What is the measurement of surpassing Michael that people are using in 2025?

Jay Ray:

Like

Trey Payadue:

In 2025, what is it?

Trey Payadue:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

is, so,

Sir Daniel:

And what I, and I like the fact that we didn't, we didn't even know,

Sir Daniel:

I like the fact that we didn't have as much access as we as these, as today have.

Sir Daniel:

Like, I like the fact that we, we didn't know until recently that none of the girls

Sir Daniel:

really rocked with Diana Ross like that.

Sir Daniel:

Or, or you know, or, you know, we didn't know that Michael and Prince seek secret.

Sir Daniel:

Michael Prince and Rick James secretly had like little, um,

Sir Daniel:

competitive beefs amongst each other.

Sir Daniel:

We didn't know any of that stuff, but we, and we didn't care.

Sir Daniel:

did care.

Sir Daniel:

We just, we cared about the end result.

Sir Daniel:

Are they gonna make me shake my ass?

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Trey Payadue:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

I'm, that's all I need to know.

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Jay Ray:

Um.

Jay Ray:

This is like so dope.

Jay Ray:

Trey, thank you so much for just everything that you do.

Jay Ray:

Um, and, and being part of this.

Jay Ray:

Is there, um, anything else?

Jay Ray:

So we have a few minutes.

Jay Ray:

anything else random happening in pop culture that's been kind

Jay Ray:

of like, that you've been paying attention to that uh, you wanna

Jay Ray:

just kind of bring up on the show?

Jay Ray:

It could be anything.

Jay Ray:

It don't even have to be music

Trey Payadue:

I know.

Trey Payadue:

It's been a quiet week, which is a good thing.

Trey Payadue:

It's, you know's, been a

Jay Ray:

a rough 2025.

Trey Payadue:

it's, it's been a rough 2025, I feel like the past six months.

Trey Payadue:

I done age so much,

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Trey Payadue:

so, so much.

Trey Payadue:

You know, but you know, right now, I mean, I, I would like

Trey Payadue:

to go into this fall, right?

Trey Payadue:

Like.

Trey Payadue:

I know it's not gonna happen, but you know, I need everything

Trey Payadue:

to calm down just a little bit, just everywhere in everything.

Trey Payadue:

I just need everything.

Trey Payadue:

Just, let's just take it down a notch.

Trey Payadue:

So that's what I need right now.

Trey Payadue:

That's, that's what I need.

Trey Payadue:

Um, I do wanna jump into, so just piggybacking on what you said earlier,

Trey Payadue:

uh, one of my, I thought about one of my pet peeves is the comparison of the folks.

Trey Payadue:

I actually.

Trey Payadue:

Hey, I, you Lance in the chat.

Trey Payadue:

I, I hate when people compare, like artists, I'm like,

Trey Payadue:

that artist is that artist.

Trey Payadue:

They're doing their thing.

Trey Payadue:

You can say all the things that you love about them, but it doesn't

Trey Payadue:

have to dim somebody else's light that there's no comparison that.

Trey Payadue:

So just to piggyback on that, yes.

Trey Payadue:

And I also long for the days where we didn't know as much about these people.

Trey Payadue:

I need some people to just log

Jay Ray:

I want,

Trey Payadue:

I

Jay Ray:

I wish we had some more mystery about the artists.

Jay Ray:

didn't We didn't know what Stevie Wonder was doing in his off-cycle child.

Jay Ray:

We, we he was, he was in the studio somewhere making a thousand

Jay Ray:

songs and he was gonna pick the best 20 foot the record.

Jay Ray:

That's all we knew

Trey Payadue:

That's all we could.

Sir Daniel:

blind.

Trey Payadue:

yeah,

Sir Daniel:

There was no,

Jay Ray:

that, right.

Trey Payadue:

yeah.

Jay Ray:

That is a weird speculation.

Jay Ray:

They'd be like, Stevie Wonder can see.

Jay Ray:

I'm like, but that's not true.

Jay Ray:

So

Trey Payadue:

Right.

Sir Daniel:

that so

Trey Payadue:

But in 25, everything's up for debate, like,

Sir Daniel:

Everything, everything.

Sir Daniel:

I do wanna say, I do want to give a quick, um, rest in peace to Danielle sp Spencer.

Jay Ray:

my goodness.

Jay Ray:

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Jay Ray:

Oh

Sir Daniel:

another piece of our childhood.

Sir Daniel:

Just, you know, gone off into the, into the ethos.

Sir Daniel:

But, you know, God bless her, you know, she definitely, you

Sir Daniel:

know, she was the archetype for

Jay Ray:

The, the sassy black sister.

Trey Payadue:

Mm-hmm.

Trey Payadue:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

sister, you know,

Jay Ray:

I, I,

Sir Daniel:

tell even though a white man was writing all of that stuff, it's

Sir Daniel:

still, it was still, it was still kind.

Sir Daniel:

It was still very much, um.

Sir Daniel:

Um, not unique, but, uh, it was very, there was a realness to it.

Sir Daniel:

It was something that, it was relatable.

Sir Daniel:

It was still something relatable.

Sir Daniel:

I, I'm an only child, but I, you know, I saw people with Little sisters and

Sir Daniel:

how they carried on and that she, that was definitely something that

Sir Daniel:

we witnessed and, you know, in, in black families across the country.

Sir Daniel:

So she definitely added to that, you know, to the, to the tapestry

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

of, uh, black artistry.

Sir Daniel:

So, shout big shouts out to Danielle Spencer.

Sir Daniel:

I did not know that she appeared on a episode of Soul Train and that

Sir Daniel:

allegedly, she said, excuse me, she said this in her interview with Don

Sir Daniel:

Cornelius, that her, um, Haywood Nelson and, um, what is Roger's real name?

Sir Daniel:

Uh,

Jay Ray:

know his real name.

Sir Daniel:

uh, but the, the actor that played Roger.

Sir Daniel:

Put an album together or a song together.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

I, I'm pretty certain I, I don't know if that ever has seen the light of day.

Sir Daniel:

I think somebody has, you know, probably has a reel to reel of it somewhere.

Sir Daniel:

But I can only imagine it was probably given, like self-destruction.

Sir Daniel:

Um, we're all in the same game.

Sir Daniel:

No, because it, she said it was song about, was an anti gang violence

Jay Ray:

Oh, okay.

Sir Daniel:

So and course this was in the eighties.

Sir Daniel:

I think this might've been around the same time that they were doing

Sir Daniel:

what's happening now, which I'm sorry.

Sir Daniel:

I, I love, you know, I love camp.

Sir Daniel:

I'm a eighties

Jay Ray:

that was a fun show.

Trey Payadue:

that's a good show.

Sir Daniel:

foolishness of the, the reboot and how they were always

Sir Daniel:

doing the Cabbage Patch and earnestly

Jay Ray:

earnestly Thomas.

Jay Ray:

Thanks, mark.

Sir Daniel:

Thank mark.

Sir Daniel:

But yes, I, I love that Anna.

Sir Daniel:

And, um, what's her name?

Sir Daniel:

Annamarie.

Jay Ray:

Oh, and Anna Marie, who played on In the Heat of the Night too.

Jay Ray:

She's a, a legend black Hollywood.

Sir Daniel:

Underrated, underrated actress.

Sir Daniel:

So funny, so hilarious.

Sir Daniel:

So I didn't mean to go down this, this, these are the kinds of y'all, this is

Sir Daniel:

how we get into these rabbit holes.

Jay Ray:

Oh, can I ask question?

Jay Ray:

I, I didn't know we was gonna go here, but since we here now, we just talked about

Jay Ray:

what's happening now, is there, what's your favorite eighties sitcom, Trey?

Jay Ray:

Just Black sitcom or that feature Black people?

Jay Ray:

'cause none of 'em were really black.

Trey Payadue:

2, 2 7.

Jay Ray:

Oh, good choice.

Jay Ray:

Yes, yes, yes.

Jay Ray:

That

Sir Daniel:

I no Place

Jay Ray:

and a great.

Jay Ray:

Show.

Jay Ray:

you, Marla Gibbs, Marla Gibbs sang the heck Outta that

Jay Ray:

song.

Trey Payadue:

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel:

I,

Trey Payadue:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

Oh, yes.

Jay Ray:

What was it?

Jay Ray:

Ooh,

Jay Ray:

yes.

Sir Daniel:

yes.

Jay Ray:

Legendary.

Sir Daniel:

of that.

Sir Daniel:

Wait a minute, Jay Ray, have we talked about this?

Sir Daniel:

What is yours?

Jay Ray:

Oh, eighties black sitcom, I think it is.

Jay Ray:

Amen.

Sir Daniel:

Mm.

Jay Ray:

I think it's Amen.

Sir Daniel:

awesome

Jay Ray:

yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jay Ray:

Another awesome thing, baby, the black shows is gonna give you a theme song.

Jay Ray:

Listen, uh,

Trey Payadue:

Yes.

Trey Payadue:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

what about you, sir? Daniel?

Sir Daniel:

Ooh, that's, ah, I don't know.

Sir Daniel:

'cause those are some heavy hitters.

Sir Daniel:

2, 2, 7. Amen.

Sir Daniel:

Um

Sir Daniel:

hmm.

Sir Daniel:

I'm trying to think if there's anything that I'm, I don't know.

Sir Daniel:

2, 2, 7 might have been it because Jackie Harry was a,

Jay Ray:

Legend.

Jay Ray:

She earned every bit of her legend on that show.

Jay Ray:

She sure did.

Sir Daniel:

earned that and I

Jay Ray:

Sandra Clark, was it

Trey Payadue:

Everything, yes.

Sir Daniel:

yes, absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

So I don't know.

Sir Daniel:

There, there's definitely, see there were a lot of shows that had black people in

Sir Daniel:

it, but they weren't the focal point.

Sir Daniel:

You know?

Sir Daniel:

Of course had our, we had our Websters, we had our different strokes, and all of

Sir Daniel:

those shows meant something to, to me.

Sir Daniel:

So, but yeah, 2, 2, 7, we talking about theme songs and whatnot um,

Jay Ray:

you know what,

Jay Ray:

now I changed my show.

Jay Ray:

It's actually the Cosby Show.

Trey Payadue:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

It's so for whatever reason I situate the Cosby Show

Jay Ray:

in like this whole other realm,

Jay Ray:

I'm like, oh wait, no.

Jay Ray:

Your sitcom was the Cosby Show.

Sir Daniel:

It really was Thursday

Jay Ray:

much bigger.

Jay Ray:

Yeah,

Sir Daniel:

definitely Thursday nights were, they had Thursdays on lock.

Sir Daniel:

That was a, that was Black America appointment television.

Jay Ray:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

you all had to be the NBC.

Sir Daniel:

What was the NBC be there?

Sir Daniel:

That was the, the slogan

Trey Payadue:

Oh yeah.

Jay Ray:

'cause they did the, um, they did the whole, remember

Jay Ray:

they did the, uh, the commercial, they had Jack k and Marla Gibbs

Sir Daniel:

All the networks.

Trey Payadue:

And everybody, yeah.

Jay Ray:

But listen y'all, thank you so much, Trey, once again,

Jay Ray:

thank you so much for being here and being part of this conversation.

Jay Ray:

So if y'all are new to Queue Points, be like Trey, subscribe wherever you are.

Jay Ray:

Tell your friends, um, you know, share the show 'cause if you like Queue Points,

Jay Ray:

chances are they will like cuepoint.

Jay Ray:

Visit our website@queuepoints.com.

Jay Ray:

You can watch our entire archive of episodes and there

Jay Ray:

are lots of episodes to see.

Jay Ray:

Visit Points magazine@magazine.queuepoints.com get

Jay Ray:

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Jay Ray:

We appreciate y'all, we love y'all.

Sir Daniel:

Well, we certainly do.

Sir Daniel:

So without any further ado, what do I say?

Sir Daniel:

Every week in this life, you have an opportunity.

Sir Daniel:

You can either pick up the needle or you could let the record play.

Sir Daniel:

I'm DJ Sir Daniel,

Jay Ray:

My name is Jay Ray.

Jay Ray:

That's Payadue.

Sir Daniel:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

you go.

Sir Daniel:

this is Two Points Podcast, dropping the needle on black music history.

Sir Daniel:

We will see you all on the next go round.

Sir Daniel:

And I mean no place child.

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