202: Relaxation is a Skill: How to Train Your Mind by Holding Your Breath with Erwan Le Corre

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Erwan LeCorre is the founder of MovNat and BreathHoldWork, he has set the US national record in breath-holding 3 times.

We all know breathwork is important.

But have you ever considered that learning to *hold* your breath could be one of the most powerful tools for health, longevity, and inner peace?

In this episode, I sit down with Erwan Le Corre—one of the original pioneers of the outdoor fitness movement and founder of MovNat. Erwan was biohacking before it had a name, combining natural movement, cold exposure, fasting, and breathwork into a lifestyle decades before they were recognized in the mainstream.

He has now founded a new company, BreathHoldWork, teaching the technique he has used to set the US national record in breath-holding 3 times.

But this conversation isn't about the science (though we touch on it). It's about something deeper.

Erwan shares why relaxation is a skill, not a state you stumble into. Why holding your breath isn't just a party trick—it's a meditation that trains your nervous system to stay calm under stress. And why the real work of health isn't adding more supplements or gadgets, but learning to discriminate between what nourishes you and what drains you.

This episode will shift how you think about movement, breathwork, and what it means to live a truly embodied, spiritual life.

Here's what we cover:

Why modern fitness has forgotten the full scope of natural human movement—and what we lost when we moved indoors
The connection between mitochondrial health, energy, and the way we move our bodies every day
How breath-holding works: the physiology, the mindset shift, and why Erwan can hold his breath for over 8 minutes (yes, really)
Why learning to calm your nervous system during a breath hold teaches you how to stay grounded when life gets stressful
The spiritual side of breathwork—and why this practice is about much more than lung capacity
How to start cleaning up the "junk" in your life: junk food, junk entertainment, junk thoughts, and even junk people
Why deeply satisfying activities are almost always the healthiest ones
The role of self-examination and self-ministering in creating a life you actually want to live

Timestamps

00:00 The Breath-Hold Mindset
01:04 Meet Erwan Le Corre
03:55 The Origins of MovNat
04:41 Natural Movement Skills
07:04 Rethinking the Fitness Industry
09:23 Technique Before Fitness
10:49 Movement as a Health Input
14:24 Movement, Energy, and Lifestyle
20:11 Discernment and Better Choices
33:21 Cutting the Junk
37:54 MovNat and Early Biohacking
44:11 Intuition vs Data
47:36 Consciousness and Modern Life
51:35 Breathwork Foundations
54:21 The Eight-Minute Breath Hold
56:04 Breath-Hold Records and Oxygen
58:00 Mindset vs Physiology
01:00:57 Benefits of Breath-Hold Training
01:05:49 Breathing Rate and Longevity
01:10:18 Staying Calm Under Pressure
01:11:18 Training the Body and Soul
01:20:23 Meditation and Self-Work
01:25:43 The Breath Forward Method
01:31:07 Grace and Gratitude
01:41:36 Prayer and Nourishing the Soul
01:44:28 Erwan Le Corre and MovNat Training
01:45:50 Final Thanks and Outro

Connect with Erwan Le Corre

Natural Movement Training: movnat.com

Breath Hold Work: https://www.breathholdwork.com/

IG / X: @erwanlecorre

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