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27 - FLOWS (Part 1): A Flexible Food Philosophy to Nourish Body and Mind
Episode 289th April 2025 • 1,000 Waking Minutes • Wendy Bazilian
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Are you ready to rethink the way you approach food—not as a set of rigid rules, but as a philosophy that flows with your life? In this episode, Dr. Wendy Bazilian introduces her original framework called FLOWS, an inspiring and flexible guide to eating well every day.

You’ll learn how Fresh, Local, Organic, Whole, and Seasonal choices aren’t about perfection, but about possibilities,  and how FLOWS can  help you find a rhythm with your meals and snacks that feels natural and empowering.

WE DISCUSS:

(4:32) How FLOWS was born: An empowering philosophy, not a rigid rulebook

(6:25) The FLOWS Philosophy: What it means and how it can be used to guide your choices

(9:33) Fresh, flavorful produce

(12:01) Locally-grown and locally-produced foods that you Love

(14:02) Organic options, sometimes

(19:57) Whole foods and whole grains 

(23:23) Seasonal foods that are satisfying and sustainable for you and the planet

(25:39) A few practices you can try and a moment of gratitude and reflections on our time together

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As Lao Tzu, the ancient

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Chinese philosopher said, "Those who

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flow as life flows, know

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they need no other force."

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Today we're embracing that wisdom

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as our guide and as

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an acronym for eating well

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by adopting a food philosophy

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that flows.

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F-L-O-W-S

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We experience 1,000 waking

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minutes on average every day.

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How are you spending yours?

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I'm Dr. Wendy Bazilian and

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you're listening to 1,000

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Waking Minutes.

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I can't wait to connect

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with you here with practical

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ways to eat well, move

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daily, and be healthy to

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optimize every waking minute you

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live for a happier, healthier

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life.

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Thank you for sharing some

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of your waking minutes with

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me today.

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Let's get started.

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I'm saying yes to better

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days, yes I'm on my

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way, yes It's gonna be

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okay, yeah. Hello, I'm Dr.

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Wendy Bazilian and you are

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here with me on 1

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,000 Waking Minutes and I'm

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so glad you're joining me

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here today.

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Happy Spring!

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I hope that we have

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some good moments to share

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today.

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I have a basic tenet,

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a basic mantra that we

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live by, the eat well,

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move daily, be healthy.

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Like the word 'well' that

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I've talked about in a

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previous episode and bring up

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from time to time when

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we're talking about eating well

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in particular, there's another word

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that I really, really love

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and use a lot, which

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is 'flow' or 'flows', because

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I like the movement and

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I like the dynamic nature

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of it and I also

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like the sort of calm

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that comes when I think

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of the word flowing, that

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it's sort of going along,

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meandering.

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It's not necessarily chaotic, but

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it may have bends and

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turns and all those different

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things.

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So today, I'm going to

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be talking about FLOWS in

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a different context, but flow

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is one that for me

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is so soothing and it's

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flexible and dynamic, as I

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mentioned, of the steady action

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forward.

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It's moving, so it's not

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blocked and it's not stagnant.

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Rivers flow into seas, words

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flow on a page, if

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you're lucky, and when our

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bodies, our mind and body

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and our spirit are sort

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of in a state of

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balance, so to speak, our

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vital force energy, or chi

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as some have called it,

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is said to flow freely.

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So from an Eastern perspective,

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eating well or 'eating with

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flow' is about creating gentle

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ripples rather than tremendous waves

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of excess such as calories

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or sugar or fat or

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volumes of food in general

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that suddenly flood our bodies.

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It's more about a constancy

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and avoiding maybe some of

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the drama that comes with

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ups and downs, like forgetting

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to eat all day and

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then feeling like I could

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eat that table right in

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front of me.

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A lot of us have

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come to almost crave that

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drama, you know, going without

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food and overeating, a snack

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time and beyond, you know,

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and we've all fallen into

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this at times, so it's

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not about perfection.

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But as you try to

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keep your body in a

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food flow and maybe a

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little bit more stable, you'll

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start to crave that instead.

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And then imagine a day

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where you just sort of

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cruise along without the drama

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of hunger or overeating, and

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it can actually feel so

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good to have that flow.

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You may not even recognize

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it in the beginning.

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It's just sort of like

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a day well-lived or

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you didn't have, you know,

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yet one more decision to

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make or it just sort

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of was an easier day.

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So I've also developed the

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FLOWS that came to me

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years and years ago when

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I was sort of instructing

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on a very regular basis,

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doing classes multiple times a

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week and often repeating them

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two times within an hour

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or in a couple hours

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because of the nature of

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how we designed the programming

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when I was working as

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the head of nutrition at

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the Golden Door Spa, and

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I would be teaching about

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eating and food and nutrition,

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all kinds of topics about

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herbs and spices, about the

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garden, about, you know, many

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things that we'll continue to

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talk about within my profession.

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And I sort of dawned

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on me one day that

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there's a type of flows,

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an acronym, that you could

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apply to your life, whether

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you're at like a health

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mecca farmer's market or even

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a convenience store.

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You could be at the

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big supermarket with tons of

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choices or you could be

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at a little bodega.

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It could be something that

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you apply when you're eating

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dinner in the company of

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others with friends or your

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family, when you're out eating,

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or even when you're home.

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And it's sort of about

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choosing something, choosing along a

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course that flows.

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And because the word is

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really cool, it's a good

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way to remember also that

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balance is something that we

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can pursue and that that,

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again, is not static, it's

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dynamic, just like our health

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and just like our lives.

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So what does flows stand

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for?

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Well, it stands for Fresh,

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Local, Organic, Whole, and Seasonal.

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And there's some builds on

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that and there's some flexibility

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within that.

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But I'm going to talk

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to you today about FLOWS.

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This practice, sort of having

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a roadmap or a mantra

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or an acronym, especially one

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like FLOWS, can allow you

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to have a practice to

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provide you with a handy

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mental checklist for shopping and

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meal planning.

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And it can help ensure

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that you eat well with

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healthful and nutritious foods.

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And it can also ensure

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that you pursue energy enhancing

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foods most of the time.

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So whether you're looking at

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a menu or choosing off

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a buffet or you're stocking

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your own pantry or your

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office cabinets or cupboards, if

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you tick off a few

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of the words flows, you'll

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have a framework and you'll

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feel confident that you're making

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good choices most of the

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time.

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So again, F-L-O

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-W-S.

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We're going to go in

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detail into each of these.

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And then what is a

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diet that flows?

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So when it comes to

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making easy decisions while cleaning

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up your diet, however the

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word may strike you, changing

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up your dietary choices, shifting

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your eating style, this can

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also be a handy acronym

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and a great bet.

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Five letters and they're simple

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to remember.

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They can spell out a

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foundation for eating well.

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So every day we navigate

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at least 200 food exposures

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most of us in 24

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hours by some estimates.

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If you're out and about

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the world like micro decisions,

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you see a food, you

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see an advertisement for food,

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you see a word on

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a page.

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You know, not everything is

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about, is this going into

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my mouth?

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But we're getting food exposures

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constantly and on average up

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to 200 or more daily.

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So FLOWS can help us

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throughout as well.

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It sort of distills and

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simplifies and provide some structure

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along with some fluidity because

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that's the point of flows.

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So there are no absolutes

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here.

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It's not necessarily a strict

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set of rules.

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It's just something that I

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wanted to share with you

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today in this episode so

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that you can have something

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to be thinking about.

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And I would encourage you

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to, as you're thinking about

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these, as you're integrating this

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into your own thought process

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and what resonates with you,

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what you relate to, how

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you want to choose it.

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But I would encourage you

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to think about aiming to

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get two or more of

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the flows met at every

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meal.

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So it's not about like

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let's get them all on

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the plate all the time,

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but aiming for like sort

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of a tick list to

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get in a checklist are

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two or more represented at

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this meal and even snacks

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or throughout the day if

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you think about the patterns

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of eating.

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So number one is F

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and I said that.

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That's fresh.

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I also put in there

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flavorful, but let's get the

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acronym first.

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Fresh, also flavorful.

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You can let your feet

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guide you to the fresh

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produce section in your supermarket.

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You can be guided by

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the delicious looking foods, eating

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the rainbow.

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The fresh fruits and vegetables,

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they can provide a sort

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of maximum matrix, maximum nutrients.

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They're beautiful.

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They've got the whole package.

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If they're a fiber source,

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they've got more of it.

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If they're a water source,

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they've got more of it.

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If they're antioxidants, they generally

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have more of it.

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Frozen, another F, is a

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second alternative and it's a

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great backup plan.

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So F could be fresh,

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inspired by fresh, picked, and

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then frozen because that's what

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happens.

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It's picked and preserved at

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peak ripeness and frozen if

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you have frozen vegetables or

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fruits that you purchase.

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In fact, even frozen fruits

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or vegetables, they can ensure

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that sort of freshness even

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if they travel longer distances.

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So there's seasons where we

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may not be getting the

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seasonal best and we'll get

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to 'S-Seasonal' soon, but you

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can keep some frozen berries

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and vegetables, some broccoli or

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spinach or string beans on

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hand, whether you got them

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fresh during the summertime or

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you grew them yourself or

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if you buy them frozen,

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knowing that they were picked

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fresh and last frozen or

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frozen quickly when they were

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at the peak of ripeness

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to ensure that you have

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that.

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So thinking fresh first, frozen

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second, and canned minimally.

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You know, there's better canned

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options also and you've seen

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the beautiful probably canned fruits

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that are in their own

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fruit juices and that you

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can move through.

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But let FRESH be your

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guide toward the produce is

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what I'm getting to.

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So it can be the

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appearance that guides you, it

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can be the colorful foods,

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and of course we know

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flavor.

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Flavor rules, that's like top

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notch, that's number one even

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before any other health attribute

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that we may be seeking.

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So flavor, the thing that

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we'll eat and eat again

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in eating well are foods

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that taste good to us.

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So thinking about this, that's

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F.

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And then we have L.

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I use L for Local

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and I also use it

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for love, things you love.

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So when you have a

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choice, look to support your

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local farmers and purchase local

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produce, nuts or grains and

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other food items.

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In the U.S., there's

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a dairy [farm] within 200 miles

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of almost every metropolitan area.

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Locally grown foods, locally produced

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foods, they don't have to

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be transported as far to

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the market.

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Local foods also reflect seasonal

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options.

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It sort of gets us

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re-familiarized with what is

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seasonal these days because in

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a grocery store you have

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all seasons represented 24-7

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all year long now.

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And we also know that

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things tend to taste best

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when they come from our

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area in the height of

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ripeness, the height of season,

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and local.

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And it supports the local

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economy too.

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So thinking of farmer's markets

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and co-ops, we're going

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into that season.

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Some areas, I live in

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Southern California so we have

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the benefit of the growing

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year-round, but I recognize

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having grown up in the

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Northeast and knowing a lot

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about the Midwest that those

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are just coming up now,

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supporting farmers markets and co

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-ops and roadside stands and

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even in the regular supermarkets

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now there's a lot that

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will start labeling the local

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that's available.

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And of course use your

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common sense when it comes

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to this too.

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You know, not all local

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items are available year-round,

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but it's more important to

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eat nutritious foods year-round

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than only doing local.

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So again, in FLOWS, this

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is one guide and also

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the idea of the foods

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that you love.

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The foods that you love

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that fit a health-inspired

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or health-promising life so

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that you feel good, you

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feel a day well-lived

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and well-nourished.

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So embrace those local foods.

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Oh, FLOWS, remember F-L

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-O...Organic.

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So I am talking about

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organic and I'm going to

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have a caveat to this

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because you don't always have

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to eat organic, but I

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think we should care about

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where our food comes from.

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And there's some amazing agriculture

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that's happening right now that

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is not technically called organic

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and we'll get into that

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in a minute.

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But let Organic be sort

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of a guidepost to, again,

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caring about where your food

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comes from, caring about people

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and planet, perhaps.

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And organic foods are generally

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foods that have been grown

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or raised without the use

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of synthetic pesticides, herbicides, fungicides,

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without the use of added

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synthetics or unnecessary use or

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preventative use of antibiotics, for

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example, or fertilizers that have

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synthetic chemicals, as I mentioned

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before.

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Organic processed foods also must

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not contain artificial preservatives or

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colors or flavors.

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So let's face it, when

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we're not eating fresh, sometimes

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we're eating packaged foods.

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And not universally, but 'organic'

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can be one of those

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benchmarks that can help you

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recognize foods that won't have

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those.

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It's one layer as you

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start reading the ingredient list.

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And no organic food is

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grown or handled using genetically

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engineered technology.

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So that's a sort of

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a bonus to knowledge more

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than whether it's right or

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wrong.

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But you can know if

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it's organic that it is

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not also genetically engineered.

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Those go part and parcel.

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If it's organic, it cannot

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be genetically modified, genetically engineered.

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And the ingredients inside, if

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it's an organic food, cannot

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be that way.

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So until recently, it was

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sort of hard to know

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whether you were buying organic

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foods at all, let alone

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knowing what kinds of standards

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were being maintained.

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We do have a National

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Organic Program in the United

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States so that it helps

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consumers know if something's 100

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% organic or made with

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organic ingredients.

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And it helps us get

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over and be more cautious

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around sort of more vague

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labeling like natural.

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Natural, according to the USDA,

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means the product contains no

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artificial ingredient or added color

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or is minimally processed.

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But the food may contain

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some other things that you

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may not be interested in

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consuming or similar synthetic chemicals

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or otherwise.

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So natural can be confusing,

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but Organic has a standard.

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It has a legal definition.

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Shopping organic can be a

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way also to support farmers

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who are making efforts in

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this direction.

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Getting the organic label, however,

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takes quite a long process,

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and it can be expensive

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for some farmers.

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So I would say that

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not all farmers even need

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the Organic label - the official

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one.

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You can get to know

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them if you're interested, and

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it can be really fun

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to know what they use

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with their brains and technology

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to keep pests away and

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their natural and conscientious processes

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that may be every bit

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as good as an organic

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method, but may not technically

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have gone through the organic

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processing and stamp of approval.

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But it's still, I like

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the word organic because it

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sort of allows us to

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be thinking toward this focus

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and caring, again, how our

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food is grown and how

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our food is treated.

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So, it's not a mandate,

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as I mentioned.

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It's a reminder to make

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choices based on the relationship

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of the quality of the

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food you choose.

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A lot of people will

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ask me, are they worth

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the price, too?

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You know, some foods, like

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berries, maybe fruits that are

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fragile or porous and can't

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be scrubbed, sometimes might be

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a good investment to buy

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organic, especially if you look

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at them and they're beautiful

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and ready to eat, and

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if they're affordable to you.

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Other foods, like bananas or

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oranges that have skins, there

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are pesticides and herbicides that

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can be systemic that grow

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up through the soil into

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the food, but there's also

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topical pesticides, herbicides, and fungicides

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that are sprayed on.

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So, if there's a peel

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and you peel it off,

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you know, theoretically and in

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reality, you can be reducing

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some of that exposure on

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a conventional food.

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So, these are all choices.

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It can be confusing at

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times, but I have to

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know....

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I mean, I've known many

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farmers in my life, and

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I value their contributions so

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much that farmers overall have

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their families and their customers

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in mind, and they do

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what they can to minimize

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the exposure to any other

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chemical on behalf of themselves,

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their employees, their family, also

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while looking at the yield

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and trying to maximize yield.

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So, keeping in mind some

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of those things.

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Organic is a great thought

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guide.

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I know that among FLOWS (acronym)

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this one may be one

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that you, you know, sort

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of vacillate on a little

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bit.

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Maybe you've heard of different

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lists that are available, and

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I can go into those

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in another episode.

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But in general, the value

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of eating fruits and vegetables

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outweighs getting caught up in

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the affordability or whether to

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choose organic.

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But it can sort of

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guide us toward thinking about

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the quality of the food

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that we put in.

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Eating them, the produce that

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is, the fruits and vegetables,

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conventional or organic, always outweighs

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not consuming them at all.

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Next, we're at FLO... without

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a W.

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What's W?

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W is whole foods and

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whole grains.

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It's whole.

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Fresh, local, organic, whole.

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Whole foods have much more

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to offer than more refined

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byproducts, typically.

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When we consume a whole

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food, an apple, for example,

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you're getting the carbohydrate, the

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fiber, the antioxidants.

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You're getting everything packaged as

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Mother Nature intended it.

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You're getting these phytonutrients that

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actually protect them, the fruit

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or vegetable, from the sun

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exposure and the salts outside

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so that they can grow

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strong.

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It just so happens that

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we, humans, can actually take

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advantage of those in our

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bodies as well.

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Whole has to do with

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the whole food intact.

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Also, some research about the

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food matrix.

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Those nutrients, the way the

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food is packaged, is on

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purpose.

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There are synergies that happen,

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things that happen by all

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those being there together.

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When we start extracting them

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and making them just nutrients,

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that maybe, just maybe, and

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some research is bearing this

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out over the last couple

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of decades, maybe there's some

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losses there as well.

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So it's not one or

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the other, but focusing toward

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whole.

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You think about a commercial

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applesauce versus an apple or

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apple juices.

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They certainly have a loss

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of certain nutrients.

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They're often very good still,

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you know, in many ways.

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So it's not an all

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or nothing here, but a

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focus.

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Remember, this is a focus

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helping us have an acronym

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that can help guide us

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along the way.

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And then there's whole grains.

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Now, we are a family

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that enjoys our white rice—yes,

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I just said that—a-plenty.

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You know, it's part of

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our staple.

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I could talk at length,

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and I will at some

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point.

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Maybe we'll do a whole

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grain episode about white rice

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is not as problematic versus

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brown rice for, not only

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some people, but for health

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in general.

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But it's one part of

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our diet, and most of

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the time, choosing whole grains

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gives you more.

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Look for quinoa and brown

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rice and barley and kamut.

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First of all, it adds

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variety.

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And not only variety, but

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variety brings extra types of

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nutrients. [Think] of pastas, of crackers...

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especially foods in packages, it's

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really good to be guided

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by the word whole grain,

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whole oats, etc.

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It actually adds a good

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amount of nutrition there.

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And when a grain is

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stripped or refined, it actually

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can lose not only some

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fiber, which most of us

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may have heard of or

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already know, but up to

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90% of its micronutrients.

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Especially things like commercial or

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store-bought breads at the

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grocery store and crackers.

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Choosing whole grain options, and

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the USDA and the MyPlate

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method is to make half

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of your grains whole on

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a daily basis, but certainly

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choosing where it makes sense.

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And then keeping your refined

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grains, maybe like a sourdough

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bread or your white rice,

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keeping those for why you

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enjoy them, when you enjoy

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them, how you enjoy them,

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because the rest of the

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time, you're really choosing toward

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the whole grain.

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And finally, we've got Seasonal.

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Seasonal for S.

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With S, I also bring

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sustainable and satisfying.

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And you can add those

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to the extent that you

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wish, but let's think seasonal.

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Eat with the seasons.

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When you eat a diet

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that FLOWS, make an effort

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to know and participate in

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foods that do bring the

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seasonal into your life.

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Whether they're in season where

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you live, we all know

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that a tomato from our

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area tastes best.

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Well, our area.

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I grew up in Connecticut,

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so in the summer, my

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tomatoes in Connecticut taste best.

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I remember that.

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Or apple pie or corn

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on the cob.

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I should have just said

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apple there.

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But corn on the cob,

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peaches, berries, things that are

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in season, they always just

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really taste best and they

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bring you nostalgia.

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But now, with the seasons,

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a lot of things are

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available year-round.

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But the in-season things

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just tend to taste best.

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And taste can be a

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guide to nutrients at times

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as well.

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Not only does it support

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our health, but also the

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local economy when you eat

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seasonally.

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And that sort of registers

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back to local that we

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talked about before.

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And S-Satisfying.

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Satisfying is about energizing our

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bodies, soothing our emotions, and

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things that make us feel

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good as well.

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So take note of the

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foods that satisfy you.

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And not just satisfy you

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like, oh, yum, brain alert

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or brain sweetness or oh,

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I just love this.

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But the comfort that they

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bring to bring you sustained

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good energy, for example, or

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focus during the day.

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You'll notice those tend to

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be the most nutritious foods

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too.

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So sustainable can be about

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sustained energy and sustained good

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nutrition.

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And of course, S-Sustainable can

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be about the planet.

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And I think increasingly, we

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should care about our food

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and the sustainability of the

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foods that we choose and

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the whole picture.

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Because we are a growing

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community, a growing population.

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And we want to be

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well-fed, all of us,

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for time to come.

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So that's FLOWS.

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Fresh, Local, Organic, Whole, Seasonal.

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Those are the cues for

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you today.

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I'm going to do a

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second episode on FLOWS and

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tell you just a little

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bit about the research in

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this area about the food

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matrix, about synergies that I've

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talked about before, about how

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the whole pattern of eating.

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And just as a simple

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reminder, because I'm very keen

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to build in reminders for

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us on ways that we

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can be thinking about our

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waking minutes and reducing the

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decision fatigue that goes along

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with our health habits to

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make them more ingrained in

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our day-to-day.

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So that will come in

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a follow-up episode that

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I'm looking forward to doing

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for you next week.

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And as a way of

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just keeping this simple today,

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I really want you to

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start to put this into

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practice.

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Get to know the word

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FLOWS.

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In fact, I encourage you,

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write it down somewhere and

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post it up.

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Post it up on your

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refrigerator, post it on a

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bulletin board, put it on

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a computer screen if you

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have your calendar sort of

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flashing on your screen to

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look at.

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Use it as something that

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you can start thinking about

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as you look at your

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plate, as you do your

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shopping, as you look in

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your pantry.

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Just take a look at

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that and aim to get

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two or more of FLOWS

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met at each meal.

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Perhaps, and I'll encourage you

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to look and see where

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the farmer's markets are and

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when they open, if in

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your area they're not open

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yet.

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Take a look.

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This is a good week

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to do that.

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Perhaps take a look at

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the CSAs, the Community Supported

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Agriculture.

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See if there are some boxes

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or half boxes or if

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you can go in with

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a coworker or a neighbor

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if you don't think that

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you'll consume as much as

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a box would provide.

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It'd be a great way

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of sort of making it

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a really fun part of

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your every week and your

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time at getting involved there.

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FLOWS is about being present.

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It's about being proactive but

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not being perfect.

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So keep that in mind.

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This is a conscious approach

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of just saying, FLOWS.

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Does my food FLOW?

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Adopt a food philosophy that

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FLOWS, I guess is what

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I've said before.

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Fresh, Local, Organic, Whole and

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Seasonal.

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And with that we have

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Flavor also.

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It's Satisfying.

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We've got goodness in the

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foods that nourish us.

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