GTA 6 can't stay out of the headlines—and this time, Rockstar isn't controlling the conversation.

Episode 10 of The EndGame Broadcast kicks off with the massive wave of GTA 6 leaks attributed to CyberLeek. The crew debates the leaked gameplay, whether the footage could hurt Rockstar or actually serve as free marketing, the apparent motives behind the leaks, threats surrounding physical media, and what happens when a publisher loses control of the narrative surrounding one of gaming's most anticipated releases.

The conversation also expands into the industry's accelerating shift toward digital distribution and what that means for game ownership, preservation, preorders, DLC, and consumer rights. The crew doesn't always agree on where the line should be drawn.

Then it's time to look at the games themselves. Phantom Blade Zero gets another chance to impress with its latest trailer, Gears of War enters the public beta conversation, and Modern Warfare 4 puts its own multiplayer build into players' hands.

Marvel's Wolverine sparks one of the episode's biggest debates as the crew discusses criticism surrounding its design decisions and whether Insomniac's track record is enough to silence the skeptics.

Finally, NBA 2K27 enters the conversation with new ideas surrounding player creation and pre-planning builds before jumping into the game.

In the last few weeks, there's been bombshells happening

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all over the gaming industry,

and we're here to talk about it.

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Welcome back to the channel.

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This is the Endgame Broadcast.

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Today, I'm your host,

Billion in the building.

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I have Caveman with me.

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I have Hacker.

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I have LZ, and I have Shellz with

me, and we're about to get right

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into the biggest topics that

the last month really has been.

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so we're gonna get into a little bit of

GTA, we're gonna talk about Gears, and

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we're gonna talk about a few other games.

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Let's get right into it.

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How's everybody doing tonight?

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Kaveman: Good, good

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--guest236137--shellz:

You know, I'm doing good,

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feeling good, feeling great.

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How are you?

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Billion: We good.

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We're good over here on my side.

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So, it's been, it's

been pretty crazy, man.

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I think obviously the biggest

news to come out has been GTA.

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I think in the last few episodes

we've pretty much mentioned GTA almost

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every episode, and it just seems

to be getting even more interesting

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every time we talk about it.

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

that keeps on giving

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Billion: what?

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The game that keeps on giving, for real.

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unfortunately it hasn't been Rockstar

that was giving, and it seems like

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there are, there's leakers that

have been giving all the news.

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Have you guys heard anything about that?

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

Oh boy, I have to stay off social media.

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Like, I can't go on there

without seeing something.

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And granted, you know, I'm

not paying attention to it.

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It's kinda messed up that it's

even there that I have to avoid it.

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But, man, I'm curious how

Rockstar's gonna handle this one

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Billion: I, I can agree

with you on that, man.

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It's been, it's been quite the show.

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I've been kind of avoiding

social media a little bit too.

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Not too much, but

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

Mm-hmm

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--guest236137--shellz:

I'm not gonna lie, this is, this is gonna

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be a crazy take, but thought about it.

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What if, like, what if this is

all, you know, Rockstar strategy

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to just, like, reveal stuff?

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Like, they're like, "Okay, guys,

we're gonna act like we have a hacker,

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but we're gonna slowly release some

gameplay just a little by little and

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make it seem that the situation is

way worse than what it really is."

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'Cause

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

Bro, you forgot to put

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your tinfoil hat on.

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HackerNumber7: Yeah, so it's actually,

it's actually funny that, that

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Shell's, mentioned that perspective.

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Like, I feel like I've heard that

perspective before, and one of the

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things about that is when you let

the, sort of the rabbit out of the

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hat, like in, in obviously, Rockstar

and Take-Two being the hat, and "GTA

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VI" being the rabbit, you don't have

control over the rabbit anymore.

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Or I guess if you wanna take it

from a, sort of a different analogy,

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like maybe the, maybe the pre…

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the crowd being or the gamers being

the rabbit, 'cause they'll criticize.

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the, the community will

criticize the game, right?

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And the game hasn't released yet.

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There's a bunch of pre-orders.

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Will people cancel as a result?

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there's a lot more to lose, and

I think it's a little bit of a

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marketing team's worst nightmare, to

not control the narrative over their

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own intellectual property, honestly.

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So I don't know, man.

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Like I, I, I think them losing control

of the narrative and seeing all of that

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critical gameplay, all of the big things

like that would get people excited.

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Obviously, everybody's already excited.

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Like, I mean, it's the biggest game.

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so I, I don't know.

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They'll, they let the rabbit out of

the hat and you lose perspective or

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you lose the control on the narrative

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

I, I think you're right.

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I do not think this was Rockstar.

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Somebody got…

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I don't even know the right word.

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They got bamboozled, right?

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Somebody put their hands jar

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--guest236137--shellz:

was, it was, it was just a

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thought, you know what I'm saying?

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I, I don't think it's them neither,

but, I mean, bro, this guy, bro,

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Kaveman: we

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--guest236137--shellz:

got a whole super villain.

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Like

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HackerNumber7: well, mean, I guess, he's

more-- I, I, I'd argue he's more like a,

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like a Robin Hood a little bit, 'cause

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--guest236137--shellz:

Yeah, low-key.

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Yeah, low-key he is kind

of a Robin Hood though.

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He,

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HackerNumber7: he he kind of

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is.

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I, I, I,

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--guest598067--hackernumber7:

Yeah, like

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HackerNumber7: master, master evil genius

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Billion: sort of

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I don't know, I don't know

if I'd call him a Robin Hood.

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I, I'd probably call him, like somebody

like the Punisher, you know, like a rogue

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You know, I'm, I'm on my own mission.

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I didn't come here to,

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HackerNumber7: Well, well, you know,

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--guest598067--hackernumber7:

I

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--guest534542--billion:

Hood

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Billion: and give back.

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I'm doing this for my

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HackerNumber7: own

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I thought it was, I thought he, I thought

he w- he like stole gameplay and all

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this other stuff because he was sort of

upset about having no physical media,

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

sure

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HackerNumber7: that was one of,

that was one of the threats that

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he essentially put out there.

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He said, "No media,

leaks c- leaks coming."

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

I heard

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an

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--guest236137--shellz:

apology he

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HackerNumber7: you

think about, know, Robin

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--guest598067--hackernumber7:

Hood stealing

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--guest236137--shellz:

got an apology about that, bro.

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HackerNumber7: He's not apology.

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That's goofy.

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Like, I don't

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

know ever do that

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couple of the things that we've been

seeing, he's threatened to stream

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the entire game, stream the ending,

and the last that I heard, he was, He

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has the game set to go pub- like the

PC version of it set to go public.

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HackerNumber7: There's a-- Hold

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on

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HackerNumber7: unless

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There's a PC version of it?

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

Yeah, I'm not surprised.

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Yeah, I, I don't think this is, I don't

think this is, anything breaking, but,

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like I'm fairly confident they've been

working on a PC version as But Sony,

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Sony has a right or bought the rights

to have the game on console early, and

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that's why the PC version comes out later.

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I'm not surprised about that at all.

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HackerNumber7: Okay.

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I, 'cause I, like I, expectation was

that it was supposed to be coming

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out on PC years later rather than

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

Yeah, that would be what Sony bought

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and made sure that it on console first.

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HackerNumber7: Okay.

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I didn't know

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I'm not surprised about this at

all that there's a PC version of it.

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How complete it is or how

polished, I don't know.

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But anyway, the last thing that I heard

was he was, like, if essentially if

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anything was to happen to him and he

couldn't check in to reset the timer, it

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would be released for free for anyone.

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Shellz: Oh,

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HackerNumber7: my

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Shellz: boy

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2026-08-23--t10-56-01pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

made

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an- any- anyone stupid

enough to download it.

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I'm pretty sure that one's gonna

have a virus in there somewhere

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Billion: So, yeah, so funny enough, you

know, what I have seen, one of the leaks

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I've seen actually was a screenshot when,

you know, as Shellz was saying, you know,

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he was talking about leaking the credits.

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But I saw a screenshot of the credit

page, and it was the funniest thing to me.

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Buddy rated it nine out of 10.

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I was like, "Oh, man, that's crazy."

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He's, like, played the game and has

already leaked, what he thinks about

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it, which is, you know, honestly

isn't too bad, nine out of 10.

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2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

Nine out of 10 ain't

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Billion: Nine out of 10

ain't bad if you ask me.

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there some people online talking about,

oh, the game doesn't look as good in

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some of the leaks that they've seen.

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and I guess we could talk about some of

those since it's, like, news everywhere.

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it's-- it was just leaks of,

like, the character in the world.

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wasn't necessarily-- any, like, missions

or anything that were leaked, so to say.

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I think it

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Kaveman: was just like

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I happened to see a couple,

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Billion: right

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Kaveman: Like I said,

I was trying to avoid

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Billion: all

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Kaveman: No, no, no, no, no, no.

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I was trying to avoid it, but, you know,

I had to, you know, curiosity got the

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best of me 'cause was a, it was a short

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you

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HackerNumber7: gotta

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Kaveman: Cap

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HackerNumber7: You watched the leak.

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That's all in the leaks he said, man.

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Kaveman: You

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2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

gotta, you gotta make sure

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HackerNumber7: Rockstar's not after

you, they're coming after CyberLeaks.

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2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

they,

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2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest534542--billion:

Uh

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HackerNumber7: hello

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Kaveman: Curiosity got

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the best of

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Kaveman: me.

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Billion: Oh,

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you

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2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

gotta make sure you know

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what you looking at, caveman,

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Kaveman: Bro, let me ask…

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Hold on, hold on.

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M- li- listen, Shellz, did

you pre-order the game?

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You finally got your peek at

the, how the game looks and

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2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

N-no, I did not pre-order the

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Kaveman: game

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Billion: Oh, so even, even with

the leaks that seen, you haven't

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decided to pre-order the game?

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2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

No, because even what I saw with the

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leak, the leaks with the leaks coming

out, it still wasn't enough to make me

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be like, "Oh, I'm about to go ahead and

pre-order this right I still need to

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Billion: Okay.

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Kaveman: man, cancel this man right now.

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LZ: I stand in solidarity with shells.

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Billion: Oh, man.

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Kaveman: All right, all right, all right.

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Well, what…

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Billion: so, K-Man, you were

saying, you saw some leaks.

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So

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Kaveman: I, I saw a little bit of

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Billion: enlighten us with the curiosity

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HackerNumber7: you don't

stop from the blow.

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Just say you saw it, man.

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You

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Kaveman: listen, I saw, I saw

a little bit here and there.

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Don't worry about how much I saw, all

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2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

right

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Kaveman: But

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2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

AI.

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It was AI

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Kaveman: No, no, no.

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the,

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LZ: like Obama right now

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Kaveman: I saw was…

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I think it was a actual

leak of the, the game.

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But, the, the question comes to mind,

is how recent of a build is this

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that he's actually leaking, right?

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Obviously, I think it is…

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He- I, I don't believe he's lying when

he ha- when he says he has a build where

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he can play through the entire game.

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I'm pretty sure that they've been…

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Like, you, you've been able to play

the entire game probably for, I would

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imagine, at least a year, right?

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Like, I'm pretty sure they've just been

polishing things and adding onto it.

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But actually going from start

to end, I'm pretty sure that's

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been around for a while, right?

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So when it comes to people saying, you

know, it doesn't look right," and blah,

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blah, blah, it's like, I mean, first

off, this is a leak, and second, we

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don't know how recent that build is.

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So kinda hard to, it's kinda hard

to say, "Okay, it, it doesn't look

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good," or, "It, it could look better."

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Like, it's hard to say

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Billion: Hacker just sound like he,

he knows something that we don't know.

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Kaveman: Oh, well, his, name is Hacker.

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2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest598067--hackernumber7:

so I

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HackerNumber7: too, so I too, I too have

seen a little bit of these leaks and,

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Kaveman: a

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HackerNumber7: a- apparently, apparently,

he, he, he had a video where he

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spelled his name out on the, on the,

on the actual, like in game, you know?

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Like, so, so I think, I, I think Billiam

mentioned the fact that like, okay,

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like he's not actually playing any

missions or anything like that, and

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then there's concerns about whether or

not, you know, the build is a bit of an

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older buil- build, but i- I mean, like

is he playing the game in real time?

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How, how recent does he have to be?

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And there's also the controversy

or conversation happening around

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whether or not he's playing a later

version of the build with Lucia.

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So he does, he certainly ha- If he has

an actual copy and he's playing it in

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real time, which I think he's kinda like

telling us, and then there's also…

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I think there's an- there was another

leak where at the end of it, um,

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there's the one clip that plays.

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He was like, "Oh," it's

the two guys on the boat.

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Um, and um, uh, Jason is on the boat

with the other guy, with one of the other

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sort of side characters in the game,

and they're sitting out on the boat.

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He's like, "Oh," um, they're talking

about something, and he goes, "Oh no,

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I'm protected 'cause I use a VPN."

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And also like sort of mocking the fact

that him as a hacker, like he's not,

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he's not, he hasn't been caught because

there were concerns about whether or not

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he'd been caught and he hadn't published

anything, but also the fact that there's

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the video of him spelling out his name in

the game lets me, you know, kind of hints

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that, one, maybe he do- maybe he does have

an actual build, and two, um, a real build

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and because people are concerned that, you

know, maybe he pre-recorded these videos.

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and then, two is, you know, if he

is putting the, spelling out his

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name in the game, how late would…

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of the copy of the build of a game

that he might essentially have,

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or that we're talking about here.

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Two years old would be very

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Kaveman: I mean, a little bit afterwards.

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Yeah, definitely.

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So it's, I mean, it's har- it, it's…

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I don't think we're ever going to know

for certain he actually releases it.

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And even if he does,

I ain't touching that.

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Pretty sure everybody who

picks up that, they getting

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banned for life from Rockstar.

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HackerNumber7: And I mean, ending

credits too would be-- is pretty

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diabolical in terms of saying,

suggesting that he has a pretty

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polished version of the bill too, right?

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Billion: I would think so.

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So it seems like the leaks

are more recent than we think.

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Why?

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Because, there's a song, what I've

been reading, there's a song in the,

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in the game build that he posted that

that song was released earlier this

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year in 20-- or last year in 2025.

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HackerNumber7: Tate McRae was that?

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Was that the song,

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Billion: don't, I don't

remember the name of the song

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HackerNumber7: Yeah, I, so yeah, yeah, I

think, I think possibly Tate McRae was one

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of the, was one of the, the songs I wanna

say that was in the actual, recording.

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So, but if he does have, i- if he does

have a build, yeah, that, that lets

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you know 2025, possibly sooner maybe

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Kaveman: Yeah, 2025 is, a pretty

recent build for a leak, to be honest.

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I mean, this is probably one of the

reasons why the visuals, at least

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from my perspective or my opinion,

they look pretty good for what is

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going to be a PS5 game, you know?

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So I, I can believe that.

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When you, when you say it's like

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HackerNumber7: I, I, I mean, I,

I got a chance to see some of

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the more recent water physics.

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I'd put it on par with, um, the water

physics that are in, um, Crimson Desert.

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Like, the water physics look

insane for what they are.

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Um, I think just the

level of detail in the…

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I don't know if they use real motion

capture, if these are the animations on

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the models themselves, but for example,

there is a instance at the beginning of

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one clip where Jason is- jumps over the…

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He's, he's sort of standing on a

balcony on the main house that we

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see on the, one of the original

trailers, he kind of walks over it.

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walks over, the, the, sort of the

guardrail of the balcony, jumps over

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it, and then he kinda, like, stumbles.

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That looked insanely, like,

the motion looks insanely good.

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yeah, I mean, just…

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And we had the chance to see, you

know, the ability for his hair

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to grow out in different clips.

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His hair text- his hair

was actually different.

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We saw the texture of his hair seemed

pretty insane in some of those clips.

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They look really detailed.

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Billion: It seem, it

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HackerNumber7: seems like

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Billion: it seems like some of those clips

that you've seen are are very intricate

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because, I haven't seen too much.

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Like I said, I didn't really

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Kaveman: Yeah,

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HackerNumber7: sounds

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Kaveman: like, sound like Hacker

got a lot of these cliffs.

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where he got them from

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HackerNumber7: they cover like the…

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Listen, you know, they are very detailed.

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I'll, I'll say that.

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they're, they're very detailed.

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There's, there's an opportunity for

him to, like, playing basketball.

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and we, you know, we haven't seen

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Billion: I did that heard about that

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HackerNumber7: Right.

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the, there was rumors about certain

mechanics in the game, that were based

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on the patents that they put out that

were s- you know, we were sort of

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expecting or it was kind of hinted at.

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I think a lot of those have been

confirmed, which, you know, then

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bring, raises the question, are these

leaks really a negative for Rockstar

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and Take-Two, or is the biggest

loss that they just don't get an

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opportunity to control the narrative?

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And, and to a certain extent, a 9

out of 10, you know, that's pretty

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Kaveman: good

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it's

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it-- Bro, like the way, I look at it is

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like it's, it's, it's free marketing.

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It's like,

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HackerNumber7: It, is,

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2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest598067--hackernumber7:

yeah

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2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

because it because it's

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being talked about always.

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W- every leak is always being talked

about, whether it being him getting chased

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by the police, knocking off the police off

the motorcycle, or hijacking a car, and

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it's showing how he's breaking the window.

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hits the person, throws them

out, then he gets in the car.

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Then it shows you how you slowly,

like, uh, build up your, uh, your

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no- your notoriety and how you have

to, like, change your hairstyle

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or your mustache and stuff like

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Billion: So there's a-- I don't, I don't

mean you off, but there's a, there's

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a issue, there's a issue here with, w-

with why these leaks are so bad, right?

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I think if it was, um, any other

game or a different situation for

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a new game, I don't think we would

care that the leaks were happening.

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I think it hurts Rockstar and Take-Two

right now because they did sign a deal

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with Netflix in prep- preparation to

drop whatever new trailers were coming.

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Remember last time we spoke about them

not releasing any trailers yet, and

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it's almost right on time for them to

do that as when they did with "GTA V."

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But in this time, this is the first time

that we're ever seeing something like

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this where a game studio is partnering

with a s- live streaming service to

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broadcast their new trailer for a game.

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So I'm sure there's like millions

of dollars that are, that's

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put into this marketing to do

this, live stream with, Netflix.

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And what I understand, I think it's like

six episodes, so there's a lot of, um,

388

information that's coming out with "GTA

389

HackerNumber7: Hold on.

390

You kinda, you kinda, you kinda

dr- you kinda just dropped some

391

groundbreaking news there, man.

392

Billion: it's, it's either

393

HackerNumber7: talk about, let's

talk about the six episodes.

394

W- uh, so

395

Kaveman: Never heard anything about that

396

HackerNumber7: yeah, like the, the

reason why, like I was, yeah, you

397

caught me off guard on that one.

398

So, okay, s- we know that

there's gonna be an extended

399

look, so h- what have you heard?

400

And give us the, give us the details

401

Billion: So that's another thing.

402

I've

403

HackerNumber7: 'Cause

like, like that's a, that's

404

I've

405

Billion: been re- I,

I've been reading, right?

406

And from what I understand is that their

deal with Netflix is supposed to be things

407

that happened in the game, and I don't

think it's just strictly gameplay, but I

408

think they're gonna talk about development

and other things about the game.

409

And, uh, from what I understand,

it's supposed to be broken

410

down into six episodes,

411

Kaveman: So

412

Billion: it could be, uh, episode

or two broken down in a couple

413

hours that's like, you know, maybe

30 minutes or an hour each episode

414

Kaveman: So all of that

415

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

a d- a documentary on Gran

416

Turismo on how they made it?

417

Billion: It's suppo- I, I'm, I-- They

didn't call it a documentary, but

418

it's supposed to be coming with the,

you know, the trailers of GTA VI.

419

So I'm assuming they're gonna just be

talking about game development, how

420

things are, how they do things over there

at Rockstar in preparation for a GTA

421

VI, and then somewhere in that they're

going to show the new official trailer

422

for GTA VI from what I understand.

423

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

I, I did see something earlier

424

that they were talking about how

they were-- they weren't gonna…

425

'Cause people were saying, "Oh, now

they're probably gonna move the date from

426

what they were gonna premiere on Netflix."

427

But I think I saw something that said that

they were gonna change up the content,

428

what was originally gonna be shown for

429

HackerNumber7: that Netflix

430

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

trailer

431

HackerNumber7: I, I, I do

wanna, I wanna take a step back.

432

So, so just to make sure, uh, like we're

tracking, so the episodes are gonna be

433

available primarily on YouTube pretty much

six hours later, which I don't know that

434

the, the six episodes is a, is a thing.

435

And the reason why, and I'm taking a look

at a couple articles, um, so looks like

436

BBC ha- originally posted that there would

be an extended look on Netflix on August

437

27, right around 3:00 PM Eastern Time.

438

And then they originally on their post

that they had half an hour, um, it's that

439

the extended look would be 30 minutes.

440

So I think they paywalled it for six

hours from Netflix, but I don't know

441

Billion: Oh, okay.

442

Maybe

443

HackerNumber7: six episodes

on the, um, on that.

444

But

445

Kaveman: what I heard.

446

Billion: That's what know

447

maybe the six-hour thing is, uh, I might

have confused that with six episodes.

448

I drawing back on memory

449

HackerNumber7: Okay.

450

Yeah.

451

So, so yeah, yeah, yeah.

452

So there's six-hour paywall

453

Kaveman: gate

454

r

455

Billion: okay there's gap between YouTube.

456

Hey, know, we like to stir

up a little controversy.

457

I know people are probably doing backflips

458

Kaveman: listening to

459

Billion, is trying go viral right now.

460

HackerNumber7: sir

461

Th

462

Kaveman: hey,

463

Billion: like, "Uh, I,

got the real leaks."

464

HackerNumber7: That

465

Kaveman: was that was didn't know

there was gonna be six episodes

466

listen.

467

I don't need Rockstar

shoot, uh, coming after me.

468

after Billion alone.

469

HackerNumber7: It's like,

470

Billion: that's true.

471

That's true.

472

So I, I, again, I was just

drawing back on memory.

473

I, I don't have like notes or anything

in front of me, just so you guys know.

474

We keep it real on this podcast for

475

HackerNumber7: for most part

476

Kaveman: you

477

Billion: know?

478

Um, but again, it's still

something that's hurting them.

479

It's hurting the franchise.

480

I know the stock, uh, Take-Two stock

took a big hit, um, something a few

481

million dollars or something in drawdown

when some of these leaks have came out.

482

Kaveman: I don't think

it's gonna hurt them.

483

Like I--

484

Billion: Okay

485

it's still

486

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest534542--billion:

free

487

Billion: free,

488

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest534542--billion:

promotion

489

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

they lost billions, bro.

490

Billions because

491

Kaveman: of

492

I don't care 'cause I don't

think it's gonna hurt…

493

I don't think that's

494

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

gonna stay permanent

495

Kaveman: And the only why I say

it's not permanent, like, I don't

496

think it's hurting them yet.

497

If he actually has a PC version that

he gives away for free, that will hurt.

498

Everything up until this point

has been free advertising for them

499

HackerNumber7: So, so, so I think

what Shell's mentioned, mentioned

500

just now is kind of important from

the perspective of the investors, not

501

necessarily the consumers or, or…

502

Actually, it does impact

Take-Two quite a bit, right?

503

Because th- their stock apparently,

since these leaks have happened,

504

their stock has been taking a tank.

505

Um, and obviously when it comes, when you

think about, you know, um, d- quarterly

506

earnings calls and them having to sort

of explain that to their investors,

507

I'm pretty sure Strauss Zelnick is

having to calm down a lot of investors

508

related to some of the most damaging

things in terms of control of narrative.

509

Obviously, one of the biggest franchises

ever to, to, to getting ready to do the

510

release a few months out has an explosive

leak in this fashion, this damaging.

511

N- not necessarily negative news

cycle, because it seems like from

512

the game's perspective, it's gonna

be the most intricately playable game

513

that is gonna allow people to do,

like, a lot of, uh, role-playing.

514

Um, for ex- like I, I mean, in some

of those videos, like you can ride

515

scooters and, and things, like play

basketball and, you know, do all sorts

516

of crazy stuff that you can do, like,

you know, maybe possibly even ordering

517

food and drinks and, and, you know,

wherever you go in, in the environment.

518

And so it's such an intricate

environment, and being able to see

519

a lot of those details ahead of time

and not being able to control the

520

narrative seems pretty damaging.

521

And, and they w- I'm pretty sure they want

to know how extensive of a leak it is.

522

Does he have an actual build?

523

Which is the m- ma- the probably

the most important question,

524

because he, the, the, the leaker's

argument is, "No physical media.

525

I'm gonna continue release the ga- uh,

release footage of the game, and I'll

526

potentially release details on the game."

527

And also, I mean, you just mentioned

that he may potentially have a PC build,

528

which obviously we know if it gets out

on PC, you know, that's out of the box

529

in a way that Rockstar and Take-Two is

not going to be able to control, right?

530

Um, if because if, if you're selling

basically like, um, not malware, but you

531

know, software that is available on PC,

man, that's a, that's a black box, dude.

532

Like you're, you're, you know…

533

That's, I, I think that's pretty damaging

in terms of earnings from an investor's

534

Kaveman: that, that's

exactly why I said yet.

535

'Cause as far as w- as

far as we're concerned,

536

HackerNumber7: That's

537

Kaveman: fair That's fair

538

only thing that act- actually

has been released is just

539

little clips here and there.

540

I heard something about he might

have done a stream of the game,

541

but I don't know if that's true.

542

But even if he did a stream, that's

just essentially a longer clip, right?

543

So at-

544

HackerNumber7: he's using a, a

decentralized website and, uh, and

545

created his own meme coin that allows

people to pay him and, uh, and to

546

be able to, like, vote on tools.

547

So like I, I know, I know Billion,

you're often a, a, a big fan of crypto.

548

He is leveraging crypto to keep

it, uh, his, uh, his, his movement

549

fairly anonymous in a way that is…

550

Yeah, it-- not an amateur.

551

That's

552

Billion: I'm going to tell you guys right

now, if you buy that coin, You deserve

553

Kaveman: to lose your bread deserve

554

Billion: to lose bread.

555

heard me?

556

If you're buying meme

coin, whatever money you

557

everyone

558

HackerNumber7: knows

559

Billion: that

560

HackerNumber7: Yeah,

561

Billion: You, wanted

562

knows

563

HackerNumber7: that at that point.

564

Kaveman: I think

565

HackerNumber7: yeah, I think everyone

knows, but if they're buying the

566

coin, it's because they wanna, more

so because they wanna see the footage

567

and, and, you know, I don't think

anyone buying that coin cryptocurrency

568

Billion: And any, anyone listening to

us now, don't, don't buy that coin.

569

HackerNumber7: Um

570

Billion: you it's-- we

so many scams in crypto.

571

Even if you believe that he's

doing the Robin Hood thing or he's,

572

um, you know, fighting for the

community, don't buy that coin.

573

Please

574

HackerNumber7: also not financial

advice, but do not buy Bitcoin.

575

Yeah

576

Kaveman: facts Not financial advice

577

Billion: Uh, f- but talking about that,

um, he-- the leaker, I don't know if

578

it's a one person or if it's a group,

but they did put out, um, a demand list,

579

sort of a manifesto, um, to Rockstar and

all other game companies really, even

580

though Rockstar is the current target.

581

They said that they won't

be the last target if some

582

of these demands aren't met.

583

And some of them are: thou shall not

sell digital pre-orders, thou shall

584

not sell fake single-player DLC,

585

HackerNumber7: While

586

Billion: and the third one is thou

shall preserve single-player content

587

HackerNumber7: The official gaming

commandments have been released.

588

These

589

Billion: are the

590

HackerNumber7: official

591

Billion: gaming commandments.

592

Now, you know, I can't necessarily

say I disagree with him because

593

I, I do agree with some of these,

um, demands that he is making.

594

Um, I think they're reasonable.

595

You know, we spoke in the past about

preserving games and the Don't Kill

596

Games narrative and, you know, some

of these demands are in line with

597

what that narrative is going for.

598

Um, there-- it's two

different approaches for sure.

599

One person is approaching it, you

know, with a strong arm and, you know,

600

the Don't Kill Games narrative is

approaching it by, you know, the legal

601

way, you know, getting signatures and

getting people involved, uh, properly.

602

So, um, but I think at the end of the day,

uh, some of the things like the digital

603

pre-orders or, or DLC that's locked into

a single player mode i- is crazy to me.

604

Um, you know, GTA, that's what GTA is

doing with some of the-- the, maybe

605

an area might be blocked from somebody

that doesn't have the Ultimate Edition

606

or the Premium Edition of GTA 6.

607

Um, there's a few vehicles that you get,

um, that you, if you don't pre-order

608

the game, you can't get them, um,

unless you upgrade to the Edition.

609

And, you know, in a sense it

isn't fair because we're talking

610

about a single player mode.

611

If this is something that's like a online,

um, that kind of makes sense to me.

612

But a single player mode, like I paid

for this game, I should be able to

613

have access to everything in this game.

614

If I don't pre-order the game, and let's

say I buy the game a year later because

615

I'm late to the party, I don't get all of

the things that supposedly come with the

616

game that are locked behind a paywall.

617

This is something that's crazy to me.

618

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest598067--hackernumber7:

so

619

HackerNumber7: I mean, I mean, I don't

know, I don't know, I don't know if

620

I'd stand behind that argument for one

reason, and, uh, Shellz seems excited

621

on it, but I'll make a quick point.

622

It's, um, mainly that, for example, like,

like if you think about, for example, we

623

talked about, uh, you know, being able

to have, uh, collector's editions, right?

624

And like having a, a

limited series of them.

625

Like anybody who ordered GTA V and

has that game bag pouch and stuff

626

like that, no, I mean, no one can

purchase that today unless you're

627

buying a collector's edition.

628

And I think this is sort of like

a, like, you know, a byproduct of

629

essentially going, going digital, right?

630

Like, and, and you know, we, I think

we've held that conversation a little

631

bit, and honestly, maybe that ship

has probably sail- sailed on it.

632

Sony doubled down on going digital.

633

Uh, Rockstar has doubled

down on going digital.

634

We're gonna talk about a few other games

coming up, and those games are doubling

635

down, and consumers, you know, and gamers

essentially kind of disagreeing with

636

that, with that, with that narrative and

that, and that, you know, path, right?

637

But

638

Billion: I mean, I, I understand,

I understand what you're saying.

639

Um, but just because, um, a game is

going digital doesn't mean I can't

640

receive all of the items in the

game for the single-player mode.

641

We're not talking about like "GTA Online."

642

You know, "GTA V," they did a, um,

a, like a pre-order, a bonus vehicle.

643

There's like two vehicles that you

can get on "GTA V Online" if you like

644

pre-ordered the game or whatever was.

645

Uh, but that's online.

646

But sing- single-player mode,

like everybody has access to

647

everything that came with the game.

648

Um, there's no items that's locked

behind like a paywall that I have

649

to pay extra or do this just to get

the same item that everybody else

650

that p- bought the full game has.

651

Um-

652

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

Let me, I'm, I'ma just chime in

653

on this though, um, with this

whole situation that's going on.

654

Uh, one of the things, man, that

everybody has to kinda take note

655

of is that with this whole digital

thing, you gotta remember, bro, the

656

gaming community is very, very huge.

657

And inside that gaming community, there's

a lot of people that do cybersecurity,

658

that are in tech, and, you know, these are

very passionate people that really care.

659

And so when you kinda upset these people,

you know, this is, this is no shade

660

towards Rockstar or any gaming company.

661

This is the type of stuff that

are gonna take place because

662

they're gonna say, "You know what?

663

Okay, so since they wanna do

this, they wanna go all digital."

664

And I don't know if you guys seen recently

what's going on about how Sony is sending

665

out emails to everybody, letting everybody

know for reassurance that your digital

666

games that you are purchasing with your

hard-earned money, You do not own that

667

HackerNumber7: You do

668

saw the, update on the

recent terms of service.

669

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

That is diabolical, bro

670

HackerNumber7: or, or is it the

terms of service or their, their,

671

their user agreement or whatever?

672

They updated it and,

and just to double down.

673

That's what I was kinda hinting at.

674

Kaveman: doubling

675

way before.

676

I'm just letting you know.

677

It was that way 'cause we have been buying

678

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

but I, I mean, I

679

HackerNumber7: Yeah, they,

they double, they double down.

680

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

bro, they, they-- it, it's not-- it, it…

681

The thing is that, bro, when

you, when you pay for that, bro,

682

and, you know, it's digital.

683

Yes, of course it's digital.

684

In everybody's mind, in the casual gamer's

mind, or just in general, anything that

685

you purchase, bro, you're assuming that

it's yours because that was-- that, that's

686

just always been the way of life, bro.

687

And like, you know what I'm saying?

688

If you buy this, you own it, it's yours.

689

You get to do whatever you want with it.

690

But now it's like, no, you don't own

it, you're just renting the license.

691

That's what it is.

692

You know, there's a whole difference.

693

So, I mean, when you upset like a, a

huge community like that, bro, you know

694

they're not-- Bro, people are, are very

aware of certain things nowadays, bro.

695

They're not gonna let it slide, bro.

696

And the fact that they keep on

enforcing it and they're just like

697

putting it in, in our faces, and

it's-- They're not even trying to be

698

like, you know, like, you know, like

really cool or just like about it like,

699

"Hey guys, we appreciate everything.

700

You guys been with us.

701

We appreciate y'all, but this is how…"

702

They're not even coming like that.

703

They're just like, "Yo,

this is what it is.

704

You gonna like it or you not gonna

like You know what I'm saying?

705

Kaveman: I gotta, gotta say one thing to

that, and I don't think they're coming

706

at it in a tough luck, this is the end.

707

Like,

708

Billion: Hey, man, get your

suit jackets ready, guys.

709

Kaveman: I knew were gonna say

710

Billion: something that but

711

HackerNumber7: but

712

Kaveman: think about, think about

713

Billion: adjust my tie real quick

714

Kaveman: Think, think about

715

HackerNumber7: this though

716

Kaveman: Think about this.

717

They're letting us know over a year

in advance about this stuff, right?

718

And they're making their, their,

their language more clear.

719

While people may not like it,

they are telling you and making

720

sure that you're aware of it.

721

HackerNumber7: Hold on.

722

Kaveman: I'm not saying it's, uh,

uh, again, it's not, it's, I'm not

723

saying just go ahead, sure, fine, it's

724

HackerNumber7: I'm gonna

725

I'm gonna,

726

Kaveman: good and dandy.

727

HackerNumber7: I'm gonna,

pause you right there.

728

I'm gonna pause you right there

with good reason, with good reason.

729

You'll appreciate this.

730

Sony is being sued over their Buy Now

button, and they're gonna have to see…

731

There's a, there's a scheduled

hearing apparently sometime, some-

732

coming up, I forget the date.

733

But Stop Killing Games, uh, Initiative has

also joined that same lawsuit over their

734

Buy Now button because, and, and arguably,

and obviously I'm not a lawyer, I haven't

735

seen all the details and all that other

good jazz, arguably, um, they're being

736

sued over potentially mis- misrepresenting

what the Buy Now button represents.

737

And it, it, the Buy Now button insinuates

that you actually have ownership, and

738

that's what the button, that's what

the lawsuit is about, essentially.

739

So, you know, they're getting sued, man.

740

They're getting sued

741

Kaveman: I, I don't think

that'll hold up in court

742

HackerNumber7: You…

743

Billion: you like, how

you like my tie, guys?

744

HackerNumber7: Oh, you're

745

Yeah, so, so, so

746

my

747

Kaveman: I, I, I honestly don't think

that's gonna hold up in court because

748

everybody who bought one of those

games, they signed the agreement.

749

They agreed to it.

750

That's on

751

HackerNumber7: them if they didn't

752

well hold on.

753

So while we don't know, and I, I haven't

seen their terms of service, and if you

754

can make that distinction in between what

their terms of service were or their user

755

agreement were, whatever's been updated

was prior to that, um, what I was kind

756

of suggesting is maybe that's part of the

reason as to why they updated their, uh,

757

terms of service or user agreement, right?

758

Like,

759

Kaveman: and

760

HackerNumber7: and yeah, so

761

Kaveman: so

762

be right about that.

763

HackerNumber7: yeah.

764

Yeah.

765

Kaveman: I know is

766

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

I feel sorry for the people that only

767

have a only digital PlayStation 5, bro

768

Kaveman: sorry for me?

769

Billion: thank you.

770

Thank you.

771

for the apologies.

772

Thank

773

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--6950872a7a20057189f4343d--kaveman1105:

You feel for

774

Kaveman: me?

775

Ayo, listen, my brother literally bought

one yesterday, a digital-only PS5.

776

Billion: That's crazy.

777

Kaveman: don't feel sorry for

778

HackerNumber7: him

779

do you think that's like…

780

I'm, and not, not, I'm

not insinuating anything.

781

I think the at m- most gamers,

I mean, we talked about pricing,

782

Kaveman: Yeah

783

HackerNumber7: and, I think Billy

made a good point last time.

784

I mean, d- is it the, it, you know,

either whether it's loved ones or,

785

uh, uh, purchasing it and just not

necessarily knowing, you know, what

786

might be the hot topic or use, uh, user

reference and things like But, but I think

787

there's a distinction to be made versus,

versus pipe- price point too, right?

788

Is like there's a massive price point.

789

We talked about what, uh, uh,

Sony, uh, PS5 almost a, almost

790

a grand now for one you get.

791

So yeah, and if you're trying to get the

PS5 Pro, I mean, naturally most people

792

are gonna, like instinctively you're

gonna go to, towards what is readily

793

available, and I think that the fact

that, you know, either RAM and, and,

794

and all the hardware becoming expensive

795

Угу

796

a byproduct, but it's also a sort of a

bit of a godsend for corporate companies

797

to kind of make it a, a little bit of an

excuse, arguably, that, "Hey, you know,

798

the digital version is cheaper, you know.

799

We're gonna remove the disc drive,"

but there's a $400 gap that doesn't

800

necessarily explain the hardware

cha- uh, price point, you know?

801

So

802

Kaveman: I mean, it was like that from

the beginning, 'cause I believe, if I'm

803

not mistaken, I can't remember if it

was a $50 or $100 difference between

804

the digital and non-digital version of

805

HackerNumber7: But now we're talking

about a couple hundred dollars, right?

806

That's a big,

807

I

808

Kaveman: mean, still, but regardless,

even if it was 50 bucks, me, I'm cheap.

809

I'll get the $50 d- discount.

810

I'll

811

HackerNumber7: Yeah, and that's,

and that's what I'm saying.

812

That's what I'm saying.

813

Like, most people will

navigate towards that, right?

814

Like, instinctively you're just going,

"Ah, I'm gonna go for the cheaper

815

thing if I can still play the games."

816

But it doesn't, it does…

817

If you not thinking long term and you

don't realize what it sets you into trap

818

of, um, the trap of incurring the cost.

819

When you think about memory and

the h- physical hardware, that

820

then becomes a problem for you

to kind of jump into, right?

821

Like, we talked about, you know, why

it might be useful to buy USB, um,

822

drives with games on it and stuff

like that, and why it would be a

823

good approach and good way to go.

824

So I don't know

825

LZ: Yeah.

826

Kaveman: mean

827

No, go ahead

828

LZ: that, um…

829

Well, go ahead.

830

Go ahead, Cave

831

Kaveman: No, no, I was gonna

redirect the conversation back

832

to something Billion had said.

833

So before I do that, go

ahead, see what you gotta say

834

LZ: Well, yeah.

835

I'm just saying, I

think it opens the door.

836

I think it comes down to, like, the

corporations really just trying to, uh, be

837

greedy, if I'm being honest with you, man.

838

I think, um, if we're being

honest, Nintendo showed, like,

839

a lot of the practices as far as

them re-releasing and re-releasing

840

and re-releasing and re-releasing

games, um, over and over again.

841

And I think what they're trying to do

is kill off the ability to collect.

842

Um, the Sonic the Hedgehog game

843

is still Sonic the Hedgehog.

844

I used to collect those.

845

I used to have, like, a bin full of

Sega Genesis games, and once I bought it

846

that one time, that was my game forever.

847

If I decided that the game or someone

else decided the game was worth

848

$100 because it was that valuable to

them, then that's how much it was.

849

The company, Sega or the per- the,

the, you know, the developer never got

850

paid again, and I think that's where

they're trying to say, "You know what?

851

We can't really keep re-releasing Call

of Duty over and over and over and over

852

and over again if they have the physical

copies and these things are still online."

853

So if we're able to kill these copies

and kill the ability to get physical,

854

you know, copies, that kills the co-

the ability for collectors or anyone who

855

wants to hold long-term to the games.

856

And now you're forced to, whenever they

say, "This game isn't avail- available

857

again, but we're gonna re-release it

next year," then if you wanna play

858

that game, we don't really care.

859

You're gonna have to pay

for it all over again.

860

Um, and again, that just kills

the ability to collect the game.

861

You they

862

HackerNumber7: they're going…

863

LZ: you it over and over again.

864

And then also not to even touch, like,

the hardware ability, where now, you

865

know, you, you're out of memory now.

866

You have to upgrade memory and upgrade

this and upgrade that because you

867

don't have the physical games anymore

868

HackerNumber7: Yeah.

869

Yeah, and, and, you know, just to

tie into that, like, first, the, and

870

the, as a result of that, the, the

birth of Stop Killing Games becomes,

871

then, then becomes a thing, right?

872

Because obviously people are getting

ticked off, and they realize that.

873

And then at that point, do you also

make the argument, are Sony consoles the

874

equivalent of building a PC now, right?

875

Which, w- I think we've held that

conversation, too, is, you know, if I have

876

to upgrade everything on my Sony console,

and I'm always out of memory, am I not

877

just building a, a, a, a, a weaker PC?

878

Uh, or n- uh, not as powerful PC, right?

879

So

880

LZ: A- and just really one last

point I think you have to ask, um,

881

as far as them doing this, um…

882

I lost my train of thought, my bad.

883

Go, we're good.

884

Go

885

Kaveman: ahead

886

All right.

887

Well, w- before we get a little too far

off topic, 'cause we were originally

888

talking about GTA, I just wanted to

call out Billion 'cause from the way

889

you were talking yes you, the way you

were talking earlier, you sound like

890

you was about to get all buddy-buddy

with this, uh, Game Leagues guy.

891

'Cause you was…

892

It sounded like you was

supporting everything he's doing

893

Billion: So the thing is, again,

I don't disagree with the, some

894

of the demands he's asking for.

895

I mean, there's one demand that I don't

agree with, which is the, um, he said

896

he won't stop until Rockstar issues,

uh, an apology, like a public apology.

897

Um, and, and you know, that's

kind of what I don't agree with.

898

Uh, let's, let's be honest, this

is a multi-billion dollar company.

899

I don't, I don't see myself

bowing down to some weakling

900

that's like leaking game footage.

901

Unless

902

HackerNumber7: he's selling

the physical copies online.

903

Now

904

Billion: now the-- Here's the other issue.

905

There's a moment where you have to

think, "Okay, do we try his bluff

906

and s- and let him keep posting?

907

Let's see if he really

has something here."

908

Or do we say, "Okay, okay, that's enough.

909

Let's, let's stop this right now,"

and you do issue that public apology.

910

If it was your company,

what would you guys do?

911

LZ: I can go first.

912

If, if it was me, I'd go after

him to the fullest extent.

913

You gotta make an example out the

first one, because if you don't make

914

an example out of him, boy, boy, boy,

915

Billion: boy boy

916

LZ: he is setting a precedent and

the inmates will run the asylum at

917

that point now, for lack better terms

918

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

I'm not gonna lie.

919

I would, I would issue an

apology, but I would still

920

HackerNumber7: go him at the

921

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

same time.

922

No, no, no, no.

923

Hear me out, though.

924

Hear me out, though, because

this is the thing, right?

925

This is Rockstar we talking about, right?

926

This is a, this is a, a company that

has-- They have gi-given people, like

927

everybody knows about "Grand Theft Auto."

928

Everybody, all age groups, right?

929

Bro, show that you really care

about the people that has been

930

supporting you, supported you.

931

You feel me?

932

Why not apologize?

933

If it feels my company, I'd be

like: "Listen, I wish I could

934

give y'all a physical copy.

935

I really do.

936

But in this state of

time, things are changing.

937

It's not necessarily up to us.

938

We're just trying to prepare

for the future at hand."

939

Billion: Hold on.

940

What do mean it's not up to

us if owner of the company?

941

HackerNumber7: You g

942

No no no

943

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

No, no, no, no, no, no.

944

No, because--

945

HackerNumber7: So consumers

will rip you apart on that

946

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest598067--hackernumber7:

one

947

Billion: man

948

hold on.

949

remember

950

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

no, The reason why I say that, the reason

951

why is because PlayStation is shifting.

952

They're shifting from, uh, they're

shifting from disc to digital, and there

953

might be something going on behind the

scenes that everybody just doesn't know.

954

You see what I'm saying?

955

HackerNumber7: just

956

you're, basically saying as, as the owner,

your approach would be to throw the rest

957

of the under- industry under the bus?

958

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

Well, well, well, no, no, no,

959

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest598067--hackernumber7:

off

960

HackerNumber7: no

961

Sony allowing

962

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

I just, I would because,

963

HackerNumber7: just

964

Billion: he just blamed it Sony.

965

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

I, I look at

966

Billion: it from I

967

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

I look at it both

968

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest598067--hackernumber7:

the relationship

969

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

because, because me as a consumer,

970

I wanna have the physical.

971

I want something tangible.

972

I wanna be like, you know, I had son

973

Billion: remember, remember, remember, the

question at hand is if you were the owner,

974

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest534542--billion:

uh

975

Billion: at Rockstar,

976

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

I would apologize.

977

Billion: Yes

978

so what you're saying is you're gonna pull

the wool over their eyes just so he can

979

stop, drop your game, and then go digital.

980

LZ: Hey, this does sound like, like

a, a, a evil villain though, dude.

981

HackerNumber7: Like

982

LZ: "I'm

983

Kaveman: just turned into

984

LZ: a wolf

985

hand

986

HackerNumber7: this button

987

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

Hey, listen, listen, No

988

one's born a villain.

989

Billion: He's gonna, he's gonna

lead you to the water and then

990

right into the slaughterhouse.

991

2026-08-23--t11-14-17pm--guest236137--shellz:

Bro, hey, listen, listen, bro.

992

No one's born a villain.

993

Villains are made.

994

some of the most

995

HackerNumber7: That's crazy

996

LZ: people bro

997

you ever seen any situation like

this though, like outside of TV where

998

someone legit in the real world is

like, "Hey, if I don't check in at

999

this time every day, it's like I

have my hand taped to the button.

00:45:11,323 --> 00:45:11,583

If you

00:45:11,583 --> 00:45:12,953

Kaveman: shoot it's

00:45:13,353 --> 00:45:14,563

LZ: gonna set off the detonation."

00:45:15,303 --> 00:45:16,133

never seen anything like this before

00:45:16,301 --> 00:45:16,761

Kaveman: one of the

00:45:16,931 --> 00:45:18,481

about is unprecedented

00:45:18,741 --> 00:45:19,151

HackerNumber7: Yeah.

00:45:20,231 --> 00:45:24,901

One of, one of the core concepts to,

to like highly successful people in,

00:45:24,941 --> 00:45:29,741

in, in these kind of positions is

oftentimes is they're not apologizing.

00:45:29,931 --> 00:45:34,741

You do not apologizing because it

opens the floodgates to the criticism.

00:45:35,001 --> 00:45:35,491

So

00:45:35,501 --> 00:45:35,511

Kaveman: I,

00:45:36,081 --> 00:45:40,491

HackerNumber7: it, once you apologize,

and you'll no- you, you'll l- often

00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:43,940

you'll notice leaders, executives

oftentimes they do not apologize.

00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,081

That, that is the one of the worst things

I think you can do in that kind of role is

00:45:48,225 --> 00:45:50,275

is it, is the apology to him

00:45:50,285 --> 00:45:51,985

or is it to the consumers?

00:45:52,047 --> 00:45:55,157

HackerNumber7: doesn't matter who the

apology to, it's the apology period.

00:45:55,437 --> 00:45:58,477

Because you're, you're risking

pissing off either side.

00:45:58,487 --> 00:46:02,207

As a consumer, I'm gonna be pissed

off and I'm still gonna have questions

00:46:02,517 --> 00:46:07,537

as to why the game goes digital

anyway, and I, why I can't, from my

00:46:07,537 --> 00:46:09,657

perspective, I can't have physical games.

00:46:10,077 --> 00:46:14,847

As a S- if I were in a position of

Sony, I'm pissed off because now you

00:46:14,857 --> 00:46:19,897

have messed up my relationship with the

consumer, and I hold a business rela- a

00:46:19,897 --> 00:46:24,447

business to business relationship with

you in one of the, you know, greatest

00:46:24,447 --> 00:46:28,337

intellectual properties out there, but

now you're throwing me under the bus.

00:46:28,347 --> 00:46:30,707

So I'm not, I'm not, I, I…

00:46:30,767 --> 00:46:33,187

As Sony, I'd be pissed off at Take Two.

00:46:33,256 --> 00:46:38,257

I might find ways to cut you off and,

and, and hurt your business because

00:46:38,267 --> 00:46:39,766

you're attempting to hurt my business.

00:46:39,767 --> 00:46:43,646

And so, and that's why CEO

speak is, is, is a thing, right?

00:46:43,646 --> 00:46:48,886

Like, it's one of the most, you know,

prominent skill sets to have in that kind

00:46:48,887 --> 00:46:54,046

of leadership position, is having to have

business speak because you're always on

00:46:54,047 --> 00:46:55,217

a tightrope, you know what I'm saying?

00:46:55,217 --> 00:46:55,576

So

00:46:56,579 --> 00:46:59,529

Billion: So, uh, so

Hacker isn't apologizing.

00:46:59,849 --> 00:47:00,459

Caveman

00:47:00,831 --> 00:47:01,681

HackerNumber7: I'm not apologizing.

00:47:01,841 --> 00:47:03,421

It's diabolical, but I'm not.

00:47:03,831 --> 00:47:04,281

I'm not.

00:47:04,341 --> 00:47:08,301

Like, you, you, you know, from the

perspective of a, of a s- of an executive

00:47:08,651 --> 00:47:13,261

managing a billion-dollar intellectual

property, I'm not apologizing.

00:47:13,271 --> 00:47:16,441

You do have to either accept

it, just like Sony said.

00:47:16,691 --> 00:47:18,211

Does that piss me off as a consumer?

00:47:18,321 --> 00:47:18,711

Yeah.

00:47:18,731 --> 00:47:22,441

As a-- But as an executive and

business owner, do I understand why?

00:47:22,471 --> 00:47:24,921

My bottom line is to make money

and make the investors money.

00:47:24,981 --> 00:47:25,841

That is the goal.

00:47:26,131 --> 00:47:29,701

I can either be pissed off at it or I can,

you know, make, make the, make the money.

00:47:29,701 --> 00:47:34,861

But the w- at the end of the day, I,

you know, I still have to employ the,

00:47:35,241 --> 00:47:38,451

y- I have to employ the employees and

the investors have to cash a check for

00:47:38,451 --> 00:47:42,921

the amount of money that they've dumped

into building an almost $2 billion game.

00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:43,921

I mean, it

00:47:43,921 --> 00:47:43,951

Kaveman: is the reality

00:47:44,063 --> 00:47:44,593

Shellz: okay.

00:47:45,315 --> 00:47:46,375

Billion: Hagar apologizing.

00:47:46,685 --> 00:47:51,765

C- Caveman, you, you-- What are you doing

if you the owner right now at Rockstar?

00:47:51,935 --> 00:47:52,855

you apologizing?

00:47:53,413 --> 00:47:57,343

Kaveman: I would say I am sorry that

we didn't catch this man sooner.

00:47:57,363 --> 00:47:57,623

I ain't

00:47:57,623 --> 00:47:58,173

Billion: apologizing for

00:47:58,323 --> 00:47:58,843

Kaveman: nothing.

00:48:00,995 --> 00:48:01,595

Shellz: Okay.

00:48:01,595 --> 00:48:02,445

Okay, okay.

00:48:02,765 --> 00:48:05,315

Next thing you know, next thing

you know, they gonna be over there

00:48:05,315 --> 00:48:08,485

trying to send out the bat signal,

trying to get Batman on the case

00:48:09,417 --> 00:48:09,947

Kaveman: Listen I

00:48:09,947 --> 00:48:13,607

HackerNumber7: I, can't imagine that

the full arm of the FBI, the full cyber,

00:48:13,617 --> 00:48:19,727

cyber, um, cyber arm of the FBI is

not, like, on 24-hour, like, you know,

00:48:19,727 --> 00:48:22,117

like, just, just executing right now.

00:48:22,117 --> 00:48:24,707

I mean, there's, there's, there's

suspicion that it might…

00:48:24,727 --> 00:48:27,287

The guy might have come

out of India supposedly,

00:48:27,509 --> 00:48:28,639

Kaveman: I have no idea about

00:48:28,697 --> 00:48:30,747

HackerNumber7: or out

of, out of the studio in

00:48:30,747 --> 00:48:31,127

Kaveman: India

00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:34,029

uh, uh, that was the next thing

I wanted to bring up because, uh,

00:48:34,129 --> 00:48:38,079

um, LC kind of mentioned it, that

they should go after this man with

00:48:38,499 --> 00:48:40,979

as much resources as they can.

00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:46,199

And that's at least from what I've heard

the past, uh, even as early as earlier

00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:53,749

today, they are subpoena- subpoenaing like

Microsoft and Discord and other various

00:48:53,779 --> 00:48:57,409

platforms to get information about this

guy so that they can try and find him.

00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:02,458

So I, I don't, I don't know if you

can consider that throwing everything

00:49:02,459 --> 00:49:05,589

they can at him, but they are

definitely doing something about it,

00:49:06,185 --> 00:49:06,775

HackerNumber7: Oh, sure.

00:49:06,845 --> 00:49:07,125

And they've

00:49:07,128 --> 00:49:10,829

Kaveman: I know that his websites have

been taken down and, but you know,

00:49:10,829 --> 00:49:13,758

that, that doesn't really do much,

but it do- it has been taken down.

00:49:13,939 --> 00:49:17,629

His X account was suspended, but

again, none of that's really anything.

00:49:18,018 --> 00:49:18,898

But they are

00:49:18,899 --> 00:49:19,349

HackerNumber7: trying to

00:49:19,497 --> 00:49:23,437

standard operational procedure on

copyright stuff, but I think even the

00:49:23,467 --> 00:49:27,917

subpoenas are common too, because from

a legal perspective, you need to be

00:49:27,917 --> 00:49:30,707

able to start collecting information

as quick as possible to be able to

00:49:30,707 --> 00:49:34,147

kind of detect what happened, how,

like, I mean, those are the primary

00:49:34,627 --> 00:49:36,667

initial steps to like investigation too

00:49:37,545 --> 00:49:40,025

Shellz: just can't imagine, like,

how this would happen though.

00:49:40,025 --> 00:49:44,395

This is like one of the most

anticipated games of like all time,

00:49:44,395 --> 00:49:46,925

and it's like, how did he just get it?

00:49:46,945 --> 00:49:48,595

How did he obtain this, bro?

00:49:48,625 --> 00:49:48,955

Like

00:49:49,025 --> 00:49:49,245

HackerNumber7: that's

00:49:49,301 --> 00:49:52,661

one of the, one of the things to note

is I think Billion sort of hinted at it,

00:49:52,681 --> 00:49:57,451

is that there might also potentially be

not necessarily one person, but there's

00:49:57,451 --> 00:49:59,331

a possibility of either having…

00:49:59,771 --> 00:50:05,251

There's a, there's two hacker groups

or two hacking entities essentially.

00:50:05,251 --> 00:50:08,671

I don't know the name of the second

group, but I think Cyber Leak is the

00:50:08,671 --> 00:50:12,731

name of the original person or group

that's been leaking out the videos.

00:50:12,781 --> 00:50:16,201

LZ, looks like you had, had something

on the mind there for a second.

00:50:16,831 --> 00:50:20,151

LZ: Oh, no, I was just gonna add, um,

like it came back to me my earlier

00:50:20,151 --> 00:50:25,321

point, and it ties into this as far as

like why they wouldn't walk this back.

00:50:25,811 --> 00:50:29,351

Just for example, if you go on

the Xbox, Xbox store, "Call of

00:50:29,351 --> 00:50:31,581

Duty: Black Ops 7" is $59.99

00:50:31,591 --> 00:50:32,201

full price.

00:50:32,641 --> 00:50:34,881

Let's go to GameStop right

now, and it's probably what?

00:50:35,161 --> 00:50:37,831

I, I can't-- don't quote

me, what 15 bucks or so?

00:50:38,351 --> 00:50:41,601

So like the beta's out right

now, the game's almost over, and

00:50:41,601 --> 00:50:43,891

they're still charging full price

if you're interested in the game.

00:50:44,331 --> 00:50:49,990

So, you know, they, I, I think they

wouldn't apologize because you might

00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:54,761

take a hit on this game, but, you know,

extrapolating this, this trend, the next

00:50:54,761 --> 00:50:59,630

20, 30 years, "GTA 20," when they're able

to sell the same copy over and over again

00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:03,131

because there are no physical copies,

so they can charge $50 to everyone.

00:51:03,771 --> 00:51:06,891

You might take a hit now by not

apologizing and just using the resources

00:51:06,891 --> 00:51:11,710

to get him, and then 20 down the year,

20, 20 years down the line, you know,

00:51:11,751 --> 00:51:15,241

that might be a $30 billion trillion

decision that you made as opposed

00:51:15,251 --> 00:51:19,851

to apologizing now, and now you've

forgone the opportunity, which I

00:51:19,861 --> 00:51:23,731

think is their goal, is to force us to

pay whatever the heck they choose to

00:51:23,731 --> 00:51:25,150

charge us because it's all electronic.

00:51:25,481 --> 00:51:26,890

There is no peer-to-peer.

00:51:26,890 --> 00:51:27,931

I can't buy it from you.

00:51:28,110 --> 00:51:30,231

We have to go straight to the source

every single time we want a copy.

00:51:30,659 --> 00:51:32,629

HackerNumber7: So, so do

you, do you guys think…

00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,759

You guys remember Li- I mean, we're,

we're all, you know, millennials

00:51:35,759 --> 00:51:39,459

here in, in this generation, so

you guys remember Limewire, right?

00:51:39,699 --> 00:51:40,129

Like-

00:51:40,579 --> 00:51:41,479

Billion: Yeah, who don't

00:51:41,479 --> 00:51:41,699

HackerNumber7: remember

00:51:41,699 --> 00:51:44,319

guys think Limewire brings

00:51:44,407 --> 00:51:46,967

LZ: I cannot confirm or

deny that I use my wife

00:51:48,623 --> 00:51:49,243

HackerNumber7: That's fair.

00:51:49,273 --> 00:51:49,383

That's

00:51:49,523 --> 00:51:49,653

Billion: fair

00:51:50,403 --> 00:51:52,093

HackerNumber7: But, uh,

uh, we all know of it.

00:51:52,103 --> 00:51:52,943

We know of it.

00:51:52,953 --> 00:51:57,863

So, so, uh, do you think that

this brings back the notion that

00:51:58,123 --> 00:52:03,743

LimeWire or LimeWire-like software

will become a big thing again?

00:52:03,743 --> 00:52:08,833

Because I feel like in the early eras

when things started going digital, when we

00:52:08,833 --> 00:52:11,763

think about movies and, and music, right?

00:52:12,203 --> 00:52:20,383

Um, this is sort of the same kind of thing

just happening in a different medium.

00:52:20,383 --> 00:52:24,952

Because if you think about, for

example, like, um, uh, uh, uh music

00:52:24,953 --> 00:52:26,822

and movies, Netflix went digital.

00:52:26,852 --> 00:52:30,923

They made streaming available, killed

off companies that were, you know,

00:52:30,923 --> 00:52:32,282

obviously creating a collection.

00:52:32,313 --> 00:52:36,223

Uh, and then the biggest instance

where, you know, you sort of realized

00:52:36,242 --> 00:52:40,013

that movie collections have essentially

died off was my experience recently

00:52:40,013 --> 00:52:44,273

when I mentioned, like, going to see

"Spider-Man 6" and wanting to see "The

00:52:44,273 --> 00:52:48,322

Punisher," uh, the original "Punisher"

00:52:48,332 --> 00:52:50,122

access to it in, essentially anywhere.

00:52:50,282 --> 00:52:55,893

So if we are going to, if we're seeing

gaming, seeing that same experience

00:52:55,893 --> 00:53:00,163

that happened to Netflix, like, uh, in

Netflix and in those other companies

00:53:00,173 --> 00:53:05,643

from 20 years ago, and now it's happening

in the gaming industry, d- are we--

00:53:05,682 --> 00:53:07,233

I mean, we haven't really seen…

00:53:07,413 --> 00:53:11,672

Well, m- m- we kind of have, like for,

for Netflix and movies and stuff like

00:53:11,673 --> 00:53:14,912

that, where, like, everyone is sort of

kind of complaining like, "Hey, these,

00:53:14,932 --> 00:53:16,832

these subscriptions are way too high."

00:53:17,292 --> 00:53:19,103

Um, you know, way too high.

00:53:19,112 --> 00:53:19,743

You need to cut it."

00:53:19,832 --> 00:53:20,153

You know?

00:53:20,182 --> 00:53:26,562

Like, like so, um, but, uh, d- do you

guys think that LimeWire equivalents

00:53:26,563 --> 00:53:28,132

will sort of creep their heads up?

00:53:29,643 --> 00:53:34,443

Billion: Um, s- so personally,

I, I do think it will happen.

00:53:34,483 --> 00:53:38,453

Um, funny enough, um, br- you

bringing up Limewire, um, there's

00:53:38,453 --> 00:53:44,273

always been, um, sites like that

where people used to download music.

00:53:44,603 --> 00:53:48,783

Um, I think one of the biggest and

where the biggest lawsuit came from was

00:53:48,893 --> 00:53:51,633

Napster, um, when they got shut down.

00:53:52,443 --> 00:53:56,653

there was also Limewire, there was

Ares Galaxy, there was Kazaa Extreme.

00:53:56,653 --> 00:53:58,593

I don't know, I, I don't know

how throwback you guys are,

00:53:58,593 --> 00:54:02,273

but I'm really into music and,

uh, so I know a lot of these.

00:54:02,603 --> 00:54:06,722

Uh, like LZ said, I can't confirm or

deny that I've ever used any of these

00:54:06,723 --> 00:54:09,203

sites, um, but I do know of them.

00:54:09,313 --> 00:54:15,543

And, um, sites like that are actually

making a comeback because of the streaming

00:54:15,543 --> 00:54:18,013

services that we have with music now.

00:54:18,443 --> 00:54:23,962

Um, because we have to pay for music every

month, um, some people are even going back

00:54:23,963 --> 00:54:28,882

to using their old i- iPods that they used

to have back when we were in high school

00:54:29,022 --> 00:54:30,562

when you didn't have to pay for music.

00:54:30,563 --> 00:54:34,103

You used to download the music that

you paid for on your computer, or

00:54:34,103 --> 00:54:40,702

you bought a CD from places like Best

Buy, and you used to go home, burn

00:54:40,702 --> 00:54:44,733

the CD on the Windows Media Player,

you know, drag it to your MP3 player,

00:54:44,733 --> 00:54:46,062

and you used to be in school jamming.

00:54:46,152 --> 00:54:50,982

And, uh, I could listen to that album a,

a hundred times this month, next month,

00:54:50,982 --> 00:54:55,722

and the next three months, and I only

paid the $10 that I paid for the album.

00:54:56,012 --> 00:55:00,502

Um, you know, I think the issue here

is, like, with all of the live service

00:55:00,503 --> 00:55:04,732

games and all of these things like

that, we're forced to pay or to continue

00:55:04,732 --> 00:55:10,102

to pay for a game that we essentially

purchased that should be ours the

00:55:10,112 --> 00:55:11,682

first and the last time that we get it.

00:55:13,827 --> 00:55:15,957

HackerNumber7: Yeah, no, I mean,

those are all solid points.

00:55:16,047 --> 00:55:20,947

Um, so thinking about that though is,

you know, we've talked about physical,

00:55:21,037 --> 00:55:23,747

physical media catching some backlash.

00:55:24,197 --> 00:55:28,677

Um, Phantom Blade Zero, Shellz, I

know you had some good points to make.

00:55:28,807 --> 00:55:30,957

Phantom Blade Zero has seen a new trailer.

00:55:30,957 --> 00:55:33,987

It's gotten a new release, but

also there's some controversy

00:55:33,987 --> 00:55:35,596

surrounded around that, right?

00:55:36,483 --> 00:55:36,923

Shellz: Yeah.

00:55:36,963 --> 00:55:37,733

Yeah, bro.

00:55:37,763 --> 00:55:41,743

They, um, they revealed Phantom

Blade Zero, State of Play.