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WCA #601 with Gert Keunen – Immersive Audio, "Stereo Was a Nice Try," a Dozen Careers, and Brewing His Own Beer
Episode 60121st June 2026 • Working Class Audio • Working Class Audio
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For episode 601, Matt sits down with Belgian musician, mastering engineer, and sociologist of music Gert Keunen — recommended to the show by past guest John Greenham. Gert has spent 35 years saying yes to nearly everything music: seven albums of his own, the nu-jazz project Briskey, a PhD in the sociology of music, four books on pop history, stints as a record-label staffer and newspaper critic, teaching at conservatories in Ghent, and most recently a deep dive into immersive audio that produced his book STEREO – Was a Nice Try. He joins from the Flemish countryside — where he also runs a 200-liter brewery and grows his own hops — to talk about how he manages time across all of it, why he learns best by teaching, how ADHD and dyslexia shaped an offline, notebook-driven discipline, and why he believes the future of immersive music is composing in 3D from the very first note rather than up mixing stereo.

In This Episode, We Discuss:

  • Living a Passion-Driven Life Across Music, Academia, and Beer
  • Managing Time When You Do a Dozen Things (and Cycling to Clear the Mind)
  • Growing Up in Flanders: Flute, Pink Floyd, and a Cracked Cubase on an Atari
  • Why He'd Rather Create Music Than Perform It
  • A PhD in the Sociology of Music and Four Books on Pop History
  • Teaching Music History, Sociology, and Production in Ghent
  • Going All-In on Mastering for a Year with Friedemann Tischmeyer and Ian Shepherd
  • How ADHD and Dyslexia Shaped His Offline, Notebook-Driven Learning
  • Why Teaching Is How He Actually Learns
  • Discovering Immersive Audio Through Apple Spatial Audio on Earbuds
  • Why a Good Immersive Mix Makes the Headphone Experience Better
  • Writing STEREO – Was a Nice Try Because No Good Handbook Existed
  • "13 Reasons Why Dolby Atmos Sucks" — and His Rebuttals
  • Creating Immersive From the Ground Up vs. Upmixing Stereo
  • A Format-Agnostic Workflow: Object, Channel, and Scene-Based, Then Choose Atmos or Auro-3D Later
  • Teaching Immersive at a Conservatory With a Dolby Atmos Room
  • Translating Student Tracks to a Live Immersive System at Ghent's Winter Circus
  • Pricing Mastering, Student Discounts, and Treating Gear as the Real Payment
  • Gear Acquisition, Buy-and-Return, and "a Hobby That Pays for Itself"
  • Finding Community Online Through Chris Salim's MCC
  • Running a 200-Liter Brewery, Growing His Own Hops, and Why Beer Is Like Making Music

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Credits:

  • Guest: Gert Keunen
  • Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau
  • WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
  • The Voice: Chuck Smith

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