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Yeah, I'm doing a Jay Ray by you roll back every

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time I'm going to do that.

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So if y'all see me out dancing,

Jay Ray: 00:00:37

I'm going to do that.

Sir Daniel: 00:00:38

Mind your business, Jay, Ray's doing his body roll.

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That's it mind your business?

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What's up everybody.

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Welcome to another episode of Queue Points.

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I am DJ sir. Daniel.

Jay Ray: 00:00:48

I am Jay Ray and also known by my government as Johnny Ray.

Jay Ray: 00:00:52

Kornegay the third.

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Jay Ray, you got some news for the party.

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People.

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Let me tell you, let me tell y'all something.

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Do you see how excited we are?

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Because y'all, this is what happened.

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We just hit 100 likes on Facebook

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and

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we got a sound

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effect and everything.

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Sound.

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In fact, we have a live studio audience.

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What are you talking about?

Jay Ray: 00:01:19

Listen yet.

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Yes.

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You can't see them behind this wall,

Sir Daniel: 00:01:26

sir. How does this feel?

Sir Daniel: 00:01:29

It feels awesome.

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Um, I'm not surprised because.

Sir Daniel: 00:01:33

We put in the work great production on your side.

Sir Daniel: 00:01:37

Absolutely.

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You know, I do my thing when it comes to content, the combination works.

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It just, it is what it is.

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We want those numbers to keep going up.

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So please share this show wherever you go.

Sir Daniel: 00:01:51

Um, cause we're on Instagram and a Q4.

Sir Daniel: 00:01:57

No, we're

Jay Ray: 00:01:58

on IgG and on Twitter.

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We're at Q's show and you are yeah.

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And here on Facebook, we are at Q show too, where you just

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look us up on Queue Points.

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We hear,

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oh, I looked at the screen cause it's right there in front of you.

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We, if your wildlife you're following us, you need to go ahead and follow

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us on those platforms as well.

Sir Daniel: 00:02:16

Um, so.

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It's been a really good, it's been a really good, um, few past

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few days since we last talked, um, record store day was awesome.

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Oh, I had an awesome day.

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I loved your, I loved your content regarding your record

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store day finds the people who've been eating up that content as well.

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So.

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Hey, we got listen.

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We're plugged in, plugged up.

Jay Ray: 00:02:42

Listen though.

Jay Ray: 00:02:43

Can you share with the audience what?

Jay Ray: 00:02:45

Cause you did stuff you was out like doing a thing and had a really good weekend.

Jay Ray: 00:02:50

So talk to us about what you think.

Sir Daniel: 00:02:53

Oh, um, we, so we did the, the, um, wax fundamentals crew.

Sir Daniel: 00:02:58

We went to Lamont's firearms and supplies store in flowery branch here in Georgia.

Sir Daniel: 00:03:04

And we basically do what we do is Western fundamentals.

Sir Daniel: 00:03:07

We could on some dope vinyl sets like we spent.

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Vinyl the old school stuff and there's no, there's no sink buttons, nothing.

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It's just strictly skills.

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And we had a special guest.

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We had DJJ C in the building, big DJs.

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That's a major deal.

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John JC.

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Is a huge, um, he's a legend here in these ACL streets and beyond

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because he has mixes all over the world playing on the internet.

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You can catch him on switch every day for his in effect mode.

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So, and, but he came and showed out.

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I love his set.

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His set in a word was supersonic.

Sir Daniel: 00:03:51

It was supersonic.

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That's all I can say.

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And speaking of supersonic, I like to give a shout out to the

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ladies of JJ fad, Monday, June 14th, mark the 33rd anniversary

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of their album release super sun.

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The album,

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they deserve it.

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They deserve it.

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Can you believe it's been 33 years of wow.

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Of, of west coast.

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Um, royalty, like this is like he probably the first and only

Sir Daniel: 00:04:29

major rap group, female rap group.

Sir Daniel: 00:04:32

And I hate using the word female.

Sir Daniel: 00:04:33

So excuse me.

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All

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right.

Sir Daniel: 00:04:34

Um, women rap group that has come out from the west coast, they

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broke, they broke all kinds of barriers.

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You know, supersonic was the least single.

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It went gold and eventually went platinum.

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Then they dropped the whole album, which I have to say.

Sir Daniel: 00:04:50

I've sat with this album for 33 years.

Sir Daniel: 00:04:53

This is a dope album.

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A lot of people like to say what they want about, about JJ fad.

Sir Daniel: 00:04:58

And they were popping.

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They were corny, but this is a very solid album.

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Like on the ACE side, you get base, electro-funk pop.

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Then on the beach side, you have, um, your street jams, your, your hip hop

Sir Daniel: 00:05:13

party jams and scaping dis records.

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Like they were no joke.

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They had Dr. Dre behind them.

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I mean, this album, literally, if it was not for this album, you

Sir Daniel: 00:05:26

would not have niggas with attitude.

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You would not have easy.

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You will not have any of that stuff.

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Wouldn't have, um, you wouldn't even have the straight outta Compton movie

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if it were not for this album, putting ruthless records on the, on the spot,

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putting them on a worldwide, um, map and, and even the album cover.

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Like look at all these bright colors, you know, the night, first of all,

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I would rock these, um, these Nike volleyball, um, jerseys today.

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If you could find these, I'm pretty certain, these costs a pretty penny.

Sir Daniel: 00:06:01

Yes, but first, but album covers, weren't this bright and colorful, you know?

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So until you have this influence from M C J B sassy, C and baby D you know, so

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to JJ,

Sir Daniel: 00:06:19

Shout out to them.

Sir Daniel: 00:06:21

But Jay Ray, I gotta ask you a question.

Sir Daniel: 00:06:23

Yes.

Sir Daniel: 00:06:23

So the song, of course, that put them on the mat with supersonic, right?

Sir Daniel: 00:06:29

So this is the original, um, 12 inch cover for supersonic.

Jay Ray: 00:06:34

Right.

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And what's funny about this cover is when you compare it to what you just showed

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us, this is more like what we were using

Sir Daniel: 00:06:43

exactly.

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On the east coast.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Now, but what you didn't know.

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Is that there were five members,

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I guess the other girls felt like they should be making more money,

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but

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people in the group

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money's

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not pouring in.

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There's no hit singles yet.

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So they left for money reasons basically.

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Oh, they probably regret to this day.

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Do you ever run into them?

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Like later on in life,

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I'm still friends with them

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really?

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Are they at all bitter over the situation or

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not bitter?

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Um, would this cordial, I mean, it was their decision, you know, you

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know, you can't be mad at something like, oh, I didn't want to be in

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the group in the morning, you know, so we are definitely still cool.

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And they're probably happy because they are writers on supersonic.

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So every time they use our phone for something they get paid.

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So, yeah.

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So I'm sure that they're happy in that aspect.

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Listen, five members.

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They left and they became a super true.

Jay Ray: 00:07:49

Yeah.

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Wow.

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So what's interesting is when you, when you think about, you know, what's coming

Jay Ray: 00:07:55

up for me, like Oak towns, 3, 5, 7 is coming up for me who had four members and

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then went down to a duo I think a 7 0 2.

Jay Ray: 00:08:05

Yeah, it was, yeah, there was three and then it was

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nuts.

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7

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0 2 who was a four and then went down to three.

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Like, it's interesting.

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When you think of the, the beginning of so many of these groups and how

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as they're getting on how the group, these groups of all, so that I.

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And so this, that actually led me to, it just sent me on a journey.

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Like all these things just kept popping up.

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So I finally sat down and watched my recording of

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, uh, presents the Encore.

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So now the Encore and I was like, I called Jay Ray up.

Sir Daniel: 00:08:46

I was like, Jay Ray, please.

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You gotta watch this.

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And then we got to talk about.

Sir Daniel: 00:08:51

I got so many feelings about this.

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If for those of you who haven't tuned in yet bet presents the Encore.

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The premise of this reality show is to invite former members of

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girl groups to live in a mansion.

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And so formerly supergroup.

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To create music together and perform, send music together.

Sir Daniel: 00:09:12

Sounds like a recipe for disaster, doesn't it?

Jay Ray: 00:09:14

It, it sounds and feels like when you watch the first

Jay Ray: 00:09:19

episode, like a recipe for disaster.

Jay Ray: 00:09:22

What I also found interesting is yes, it's like all of these members,

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first of all, it's nine people total,

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which is crazy, which is.

Jay Ray: 00:09:32

And then you have a one solo act, so Nivi is there.

Jay Ray: 00:09:35

And I was like, I don't even know how this happened.

Jay Ray: 00:09:41

So that was an interesting thing.

Sir Daniel: 00:09:43

And the funny thing is, is that Nibia appears to be the most grounded

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and the

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most flexible out of all the participants.

Sir Daniel: 00:09:53

We got Pam from total.

Sir Daniel: 00:09:54

Yes.

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Keely from three O w and cheetah girls, Spain.

Sir Daniel: 00:09:59

Oh, and of course, Kentucky fried chicken fame.

Sir Daniel: 00:10:02

Um, odd Rio de I don't think you caught that about the Kentucky fried

Jay Ray: 00:10:06

chicken.

Jay Ray: 00:10:07

I did

Sir Daniel: 00:10:10

you want me to throw a piece of chicken at you?

Sir Daniel: 00:10:13

Aubrey O'Day Dave from Danny became, as you mentioned, 700

Sir Daniel: 00:10:17

to cherish and more, and it's.

Sir Daniel: 00:10:20

You have all these ex all spanning from different decades, all

Sir Daniel: 00:10:25

had various levels of success.

Sir Daniel: 00:10:28

And the majority of the bands are now defunct due to various reasons,

Sir Daniel: 00:10:34

which makes me wonder, are we.

Sir Daniel: 00:10:40

The public are we responsible for the reason why girl groups don't succeed?

Sir Daniel: 00:10:47

I mean, the media managers, producers, the public, why are

Sir Daniel: 00:10:53

our black girl groups surviving?

Jay Ray: 00:10:58

This is such an important topic.

Jay Ray: 00:11:00

So to put this in perspective, when I think about what we do

Jay Ray: 00:11:05

here at Queue Points for me,

Jay Ray: 00:11:10

Girl groups and we're using this term, it's a popular term girl groups.

Jay Ray: 00:11:14

So it's not, I feel like it's one of those terms that we also have

Jay Ray: 00:11:17

to analyze at some point, cause these, these are women, right?

Jay Ray: 00:11:22

These, they may start as girls, but then they typically are grown to

Jay Ray: 00:11:25

women as they're in these groups, but they still call them girl groups.

Jay Ray: 00:11:29

Um, and so I think we have to look at that, but that's not

Jay Ray: 00:11:31

what we're talking about here.

Jay Ray: 00:11:32

I think what this girl group.

Jay Ray: 00:11:38

For me typically are some of the most creatively interesting groups.

Jay Ray: 00:11:44

Cause cause women have the ability to have different molds when they show

Jay Ray: 00:11:54

up in their music, which sometimes makes the work more compelling.

Jay Ray: 00:11:59

When I tend to find.

Jay Ray: 00:12:01

Guy groups or boy bands tend to be one dimensional.

Jay Ray: 00:12:05

And so I am so glad we're asking this question because we, I would

Jay Ray: 00:12:11

love to have more girl groups.

Sir Daniel: 00:12:14

Yeah.

Sir Daniel: 00:12:14

I mean, when you think about it right now, who do we have?

Sir Daniel: 00:12:19

We got the city girls.

Sir Daniel: 00:12:21

That's it.

Sir Daniel: 00:12:23

I think that's literally

Jay Ray: 00:12:26

that's it.

Jay Ray: 00:12:26

I

Sir Daniel: 00:12:26

can't think of any R and B R and I mean, R and B girl groups that are

Sir Daniel: 00:12:32

like mainstream mainstream at this time.

Sir Daniel: 00:12:34

Nope.

Sir Daniel: 00:12:35

Right off the top of my, and you know, there's I know that there's.

Sir Daniel: 00:12:40

There's a crowd of people that support RMB that say, oh, the

Sir Daniel: 00:12:44

real R and B is still out there.

Sir Daniel: 00:12:46

Oh, okay.

Sir Daniel: 00:12:47

They'd be mad at us.

Sir Daniel: 00:12:48

If we forgot about Chloe and Hailey

Jay Ray: 00:12:50

Haley, a book, Chloe Halle.

Jay Ray: 00:12:53

And here's, what's funny about those two.

Jay Ray: 00:12:55

Like these are both duals, right?

Jay Ray: 00:12:57

So, and they're sisters.

Jay Ray: 00:13:00

So it's like a different thing we're talking about.

Jay Ray: 00:13:06

Um, yeah, we just don't.

Jay Ray: 00:13:07

There's the only there's there.

Jay Ray: 00:13:09

They're the only two that I know of and that's nuts.

Jay Ray: 00:13:13

Oh, there was um, St. Oh, I'm going to think I'm gonna, I'm

Jay Ray: 00:13:18

gonna, their name is escaping me.

Jay Ray: 00:13:19

That was

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St. Beauty

Jay Ray: 00:13:21

St. Beauty from Atlanta.

Jay Ray: 00:13:23

I'm from

Sir Daniel: 00:13:24

Atlanta duo, again, another duo, which is fine, which

Sir Daniel: 00:13:29

is, but we're talking about.

Sir Daniel: 00:13:31

You know, the, and we'll talk about this later some more, but there is magic

Sir Daniel: 00:13:34

in the number of three, you know, if you think about the most popular girl

Sir Daniel: 00:13:41

groups of all time, let's take it back.

Sir Daniel: 00:13:42

Let's take it back to the, the girl group that just exploded and changed everything.

Sir Daniel: 00:13:47

Let's talk about the Supreme, the old.

Sir Daniel: 00:13:51

No, wait, let me, let me correct myself.

Sir Daniel: 00:13:53

Are we talking about the Supreme?

Sir Daniel: 00:13:54

Is, are we talking about Diana Ross and discipline?

Sir Daniel: 00:13:58

Cause cause you know, some distinctions were made,

Jay Ray: 00:14:01

distinctions were made and I think that as we dive into

Jay Ray: 00:14:06

this conversation, I think it's when those distinction distinctions

Jay Ray: 00:14:09

start to have to be made by.

Jay Ray: 00:14:13

That we begin to have the, the cracks that begin to show up in these groups.

Jay Ray: 00:14:18

So, yes, we're talking about the Supremes.

Jay Ray: 00:14:21

I it's funny.

Jay Ray: 00:14:22

I don't even say Diana Ross and the Supremes.

Jay Ray: 00:14:25

Like, I definitely will just say the Supremes because, um, It's it's weird to

Jay Ray: 00:14:31

say, but after Diana left that group, yes, the Supremes continued on, but the Supreme

Jay Ray: 00:14:39

ones were Diana and Mary and Florence.

Jay Ray: 00:14:43

And then I think Cindy Birdsong.

Jay Ray: 00:14:45

So that's like, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:14:47

So that's kind of like the, the nucleus of it.

Jay Ray: 00:14:51

Hm.

Jay Ray: 00:14:52

Oh, look at all the stuff that happened.

Jay Ray: 00:14:55

Um, you had, you had the group go from the Supremes to Diana Ross and the Supremes.

Jay Ray: 00:15:00

Oh.

Jay Ray: 00:15:01

And another note, the Supremes as well, started out as a,

Jay Ray: 00:15:05

as a, as a group of folks.

Jay Ray: 00:15:07

When they were the prime meds, there was four of them and

Jay Ray: 00:15:10

they also went down to a trio.

Sir Daniel: 00:15:13

And so, but they were the blueprint for modern music.

Sir Daniel: 00:15:19

They were the blueprint as far as the way of dressing women uniformly.

Sir Daniel: 00:15:26

Choreography, even if it just meant snapping your fingers in a uniform

Sir Daniel: 00:15:31

way, you know, all of that stuff meant something and then let's even

Sir Daniel: 00:15:36

take it further to the fact they were the one of the first girl group.

Sir Daniel: 00:15:40

Black girl groups to be on television.

Sir Daniel: 00:15:43

If you talk to anybody that would roll up in that time, wherever the, uh,

Sir Daniel: 00:15:47

who was it at Sullivan when the show was on and those three black girls

Sir Daniel: 00:15:54

showed up on the television screen that changed the world for black America.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:00

so they mean a whole lot more beyond the music, right?

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Yes.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:08

But I think, and this is just me thinking out loud.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:12

I think that we're not happy as a society until we tear down and

Sir Daniel: 00:16:19

destroy something that we love.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:22

And let's take that.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:25

We'll take the Supremes for instance.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:29

The Supremes, you know, it's, it's been wildly known that the Supremes

Sir Daniel: 00:16:33

are the basis and loosely base.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:37

Um, the, for the, the stage play dream girls, right?

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Yes.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:42

The production wants six Tony awards.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:46

The movie that came out in 2006, earned Jennifer Hudson.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:53

Story that is etched in the brain of America.

Sir Daniel: 00:16:57

It's about a girl group and we can't get enough of it because there's drama.

Sir Daniel: 00:17:07

Oh my God.

Sir Daniel: 00:17:08

It's like the boiling, the boiling point of drama in the show when

Sir Daniel: 00:17:12

Effie finds out that she's been replaced as the lead singer.

Sir Daniel: 00:17:17

And they brought in another girl.

Sir Daniel: 00:17:19

So that's good.

Sir Daniel: 00:17:20

They can still remain a trio.

Jay Ray: 00:17:22

Yep, man, I, I, I, I hear where you, where you going with this.

Jay Ray: 00:17:28

I, we, I mean, we proved time and time again going, let's go back to the Encore.

Jay Ray: 00:17:35

The reason why the Encore had to be made is because we need, we like seeing

Jay Ray: 00:17:42

this type of drama play out on TV.

Jay Ray: 00:17:46

And, you know, for a fact that behind the scenes, these producers are doing

Jay Ray: 00:17:51

all types of stuff to make sure that the pot gets stirred just the right

Jay Ray: 00:17:58

way, because let me tell you something.

Jay Ray: 00:18:01

What I know about what.

Jay Ray: 00:18:04

What my experience is with people is that when you enter a space

Jay Ray: 00:18:09

that has that many different personalities, there's a way that you

Jay Ray: 00:18:12

show up, you know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray: 00:18:14

And it's not the way that what we saw on TV, the way people show up, you know?

Jay Ray: 00:18:20

So we like drama and we, we, we, yeah, we liked that.

Sir Daniel: 00:18:26

We love it.

Sir Daniel: 00:18:27

Look, they got Pam from total who is now a born again, Christian.

Sir Daniel: 00:18:34

So you have that, then you have Keeley, like I said, from three O w and cheetah

Sir Daniel: 00:18:39

girls who is a, who is for lack of, for lack of a better term, a villain on these,

Sir Daniel: 00:18:46

on these internet streets, because of, you know, the fame, the fable of her

Sir Daniel: 00:18:51

throwing chicken at the Tory Horton, who used to be in a group left after that.

Sir Daniel: 00:18:58

And, you know, she's there to stir the pot herself because she's claiming she's

Sir Daniel: 00:19:03

not, she doesn't want to be in the group.

Sir Daniel: 00:19:04

She wants to be a creative director.

Jay Ray: 00:19:07

She wants to be director.

Jay Ray: 00:19:08

I'm like,

Sir Daniel: 00:19:08

you know what might come our yard

Sir Daniel: 00:19:13

producers, the producers told you to say they

Jay Ray: 00:19:16

literally like, was like, no, you could like, come in and say

Jay Ray: 00:19:19

that you're the creative director,

Sir Daniel: 00:19:22

like, okay.

Sir Daniel: 00:19:23

With a straight face, like I'm a creative director.

Sir Daniel: 00:19:27

And then you have, then you have Aubrey O'Day, who is the only

Sir Daniel: 00:19:30

white woman in this, in this mix.

Sir Daniel: 00:19:33

And she, of course, she's already a strong personality because she went head up with

Sir Daniel: 00:19:38

Diddy email, which is her claim to fame.

Sir Daniel: 00:19:41

And now she's here trying to, you know, she's trying to lay down

Sir Daniel: 00:19:45

some laws too, but it's, you know, back to dream girls real quick.

Sir Daniel: 00:19:50

So by the time dream girls hit the theaters and that was what, 2006, 2016.

Sir Daniel: 00:19:56

So like by that time, Beyonce was at the height of her superpowers.

Sir Daniel: 00:20:03

As a solo artist, she was untouchable.

Sir Daniel: 00:20:06

This was just taking her to another level.

Sir Daniel: 00:20:10

But to this day she cannot escape the, that one moment in

Sir Daniel: 00:20:16

time in the early two thousands.

Sir Daniel: 00:20:18

When you couldn't even turn on MTV CRL, without them talking about

Sir Daniel: 00:20:23

the overnight roster changes that happened with Destiny's child.

Jay Ray: 00:20:27

Absolutely not like it's another example of.

Jay Ray: 00:20:32

So you have, you have these four members, right.

Jay Ray: 00:20:36

To, you know, their first record.

Jay Ray: 00:20:37

Their second record was Audi.

Jay Ray: 00:20:40

And meanwhile, they were ascending when literally when the change

Jay Ray: 00:20:45

happened, this is like what?

Jay Ray: 00:20:46

Single three or four from the record, there's literally a roster change

Jay Ray: 00:20:52

where two of the members are replaced by two completely different people.

Jay Ray: 00:20:56

The cover of the record had four people by the time, what was it saved?

Jay Ray: 00:21:01

My name came out.

Jay Ray: 00:21:02

It was up two new girls that we had never seen before.

Jay Ray: 00:21:05

But once again, You have this situation where it's been reported, you had these

Jay Ray: 00:21:12

two members were talking about Latoya and Latevia who wanted to break free

Jay Ray: 00:21:15

from the Matthew Knowles management.

Jay Ray: 00:21:17

So we have once again, a man in control once again, uh, wants to break free from

Jay Ray: 00:21:21

the management and do something else.

Jay Ray: 00:21:22

And it's like, We go on this thing going to stay the way

Jay Ray: 00:21:25

this thing is going to stay.

Jay Ray: 00:21:27

And we going to figure it out this way.

Jay Ray: 00:21:29

And once again, I'm beyond say is put, so Diana Ross would go to the Springs, right?

Jay Ray: 00:21:35

Diana Ross has put in this position where she has to bear the

Jay Ray: 00:21:38

brunt of Diana Ross in surprise.

Jay Ray: 00:21:43

Barry Gordy made that change.

Jay Ray: 00:21:45

It wasn't Diana Ross Eroll up in the studio is like, we call

Jay Ray: 00:21:49

Diana Ross and the Supremes now.

Jay Ray: 00:21:51

No, like that was a change.

Jay Ray: 00:21:53

And we go to Destiny's child and Beyonce is vilified, but this was

Jay Ray: 00:22:00

literally a business decision that was bigger than she was at that point.

Sir Daniel: 00:22:05

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel: 00:22:06

It was like, Like you said Beyonce was vilified.

Sir Daniel: 00:22:10

Her father was demonized.

Sir Daniel: 00:22:12

Like they were just the devil reincarnated.

Sir Daniel: 00:22:15

Right.

Sir Daniel: 00:22:15

Then there, you know, they were however that same, that.

Sir Daniel: 00:22:22

Catapulted them even even further, like, yes, they be, they became

Sir Daniel: 00:22:27

pop culture icons overnight.

Sir Daniel: 00:22:30

Like they were, um, they were made sketches on, on SNL by one of my

Sir Daniel: 00:22:35

favorite sketches on SNL is the Geminis twin sketch, featuring Maya

Sir Daniel: 00:22:40

Rudolph and, um, and a guest star.

Sir Daniel: 00:22:44

And what I loved about Destiny's child and I loved about the tree.

Sir Daniel: 00:22:49

That's behind me right there.

Sir Daniel: 00:22:50

The trio is that those girls, those girls were able to laugh at themselves

Sir Daniel: 00:22:56

and they actually showed up on that episode and made fun of themselves,

Sir Daniel: 00:23:00

which is, which I think was perfect.

Sir Daniel: 00:23:03

It was perfect.

Sir Daniel: 00:23:03

And it just solidified them as the superstars that they were.

Sir Daniel: 00:23:08

And to this day, People are still hungry for a destiny Shar reunion.

Jay Ray: 00:23:12

Absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:23:13

If, if, if Beyonce Kelly and Michelle said, we going out on tour, that's a wrap.

Jay Ray: 00:23:20

First of all, them tickets is already sold out.

Jay Ray: 00:23:22

We probably can't get one.

Jay Ray: 00:23:24

Unless y'all Queue Points, y'all gonna help us hook me at sir Daniel up so

Jay Ray: 00:23:28

we can go and see Destiny's child.

Jay Ray: 00:23:31

Can we, can we talk about something as well?

Jay Ray: 00:23:35

Um, just a quick note.

Jay Ray: 00:23:38

So we talked about the surprise.

Jay Ray: 00:23:39

We talked about the Sopranos.

Jay Ray: 00:23:40

We're talking about Destiny's child.

Jay Ray: 00:23:42

I want us to, as we dive into this more, these are groups that were pivotal to

Jay Ray: 00:23:49

pop culture, like important worldwide.

Jay Ray: 00:23:55

These are not, we're not just talking about groups.

Jay Ray: 00:23:58

We are talking about groups that literally change things

Jay Ray: 00:24:02

and the way pop culture moved.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:05

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:07

And I think they, if we're still talking about Destiny's child, they

Sir Daniel: 00:24:10

came right at the moment where there was still physical copies being sold.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:16

So you still had three, you had black girls.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:21

Being put in the forefront of going to these, performing everywhere

Sir Daniel: 00:24:27

at the time I'm wearing, you know, they did something different.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:31

They were wearing, um, Tina Knowles fashions on the red carpet.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:35

When, you know, I'm pretty certain people were forcing them, one of them

Sir Daniel: 00:24:40

to wear designer clothing, but then.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:43

You know, my mom is making is our stylist and she's wearing, you

Sir Daniel: 00:24:46

know, we're wearing these clothing and there were some choices.

: 00:24:51

Yes.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:52

There was some choices.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:53

Definitely.

Sir Daniel: 00:24:54

And the girls will say that this day, but it's still changed the game.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:00

Like when you think about, um, the fact that they went from four to

Sir Daniel: 00:25:05

three, It's still that power of three.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:10

It like Michelle, I think is, has been in the group longer than the

Sir Daniel: 00:25:15

original members of the group.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:17

You know what I'm saying?

Sir Daniel: 00:25:18

So in the show, Michelle Williams is Destiny's child.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:22

She is, you can't take that away from her, but I want to bring them

Sir Daniel: 00:25:25

back to that number of three, like a lot of our favorite grow groups.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:30

Like we can't go on without talking about TLC.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:33

Nope.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:33

Three members.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:34

Yup.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:36

Unfortunately we're left.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:37

I died.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:39

It completely changed the group.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:41

They try to make comebacks and it just, it don't hit.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:44

Like they don't hit the same.

Sir Daniel: 00:25:45

You know what I'm saying?

Sir Daniel: 00:25:46

Without Lisa SWV, vanity six, Apollonius

Sir Daniel: 00:25:55

Jane the sequence, then it became like, all of these groups have

Sir Daniel: 00:26:00

phenomenal success as trios.

Sir Daniel: 00:26:02

Okay.

Sir Daniel: 00:26:03

So, you know where I'm going with this.

Jay Ray: 00:26:05

I know exactly where you're going with this.

Sir Daniel: 00:26:07

So my girls, everybody knows I'm a salt and pepper.

Sir Daniel: 00:26:10

Stan salt, pepper.

Sir Daniel: 00:26:12

Yes.

Sir Daniel: 00:26:12

They started out as a duo, but when di so they had, they had

Sir Daniel: 00:26:19

another DJ she was brought on.

Sir Daniel: 00:26:23

And here's your, here's where your point about outside influences can corrupt.

Sir Daniel: 00:26:31

Latoya Hanson was brought in to be the DJ Herbie brought her in.

Sir Daniel: 00:26:36

So the guy without, cause without consulting the girls, especially

Sir Daniel: 00:26:41

Cheryl salt, who was his girlfriend at the time who already.

Sir Daniel: 00:26:45

You know, with sidearm him because he was already a skeezer.

Sir Daniel: 00:26:49

If you don't talk to him about, take it back to 86, he was already, he was

Sir Daniel: 00:26:54

already out this season and, you know, according to the movie had a baby on

Sir Daniel: 00:26:58

her and everything, but anyway, so that didn't work out salt or fish salt pretty

Sir Daniel: 00:27:04

much got her kicked out of the group.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:06

Only reason we know she was in the group is because she's still

Sir Daniel: 00:27:09

on the album cover on the album.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:12

However, but fast forward, they got deed.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:15

Right?

Sir Daniel: 00:27:15

They got Deidre's when, as we know her and honestly, things really kicked

Sir Daniel: 00:27:22

into high gear when they got Deidre.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:25

It just, it just, it hit different as the kids say.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:29

Yeah, it looked different.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:31

It looked good with the three of them with the, is the kente, the spandex.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:36

It was, it's just powerful.

Sir Daniel: 00:27:38

It's a consume another level.

Jay Ray: 00:27:40

Yup.

Jay Ray: 00:27:40

Yup.

Jay Ray: 00:27:42

Well, first of all, there's this idea.

Jay Ray: 00:27:47

Um, of the look, there's this idea of the look and it all, when we go

Jay Ray: 00:27:53

think back to the Supremes, right?

Jay Ray: 00:27:55

Those three women on stage doing this thing insane.

Jay Ray: 00:28:00

And, you know, in sequence, but women who represent different types of

Jay Ray: 00:28:04

black woman, black womanhood, right?

Jay Ray: 00:28:07

They all have a distinct look.

Jay Ray: 00:28:08

They have a distinct role, and everybody has the one that they

Jay Ray: 00:28:12

relate to and spend a reality.

Jay Ray: 00:28:17

Um, the spender spend made that group.

Jay Ray: 00:28:21

So for all intents and purposes, and we've talked about this offline.

Jay Ray: 00:28:27

So I Peppa was a trio kids.

Jay Ray: 00:28:30

Like the pop, the group that we.

Jay Ray: 00:28:32

As salt and Pepa was a trio.

Jay Ray: 00:28:36

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:28:36

You have salt and you have pepper out there today and they are

Jay Ray: 00:28:39

performing and salt and pepper because they are named salt and pepper.

Jay Ray: 00:28:43

But the group that we know had three people in it,

Sir Daniel: 00:28:50

three Amigos, baby.

Sir Daniel: 00:28:52

It had three girls like even, and I don't know if three is

Sir Daniel: 00:28:56

a magic number for everybody.

Sir Daniel: 00:28:57

Let's take invoke for instance.

Sir Daniel: 00:28:59

Right.

Sir Daniel: 00:28:59

They started off as a quartet, baby.

: 00:29:02

They

Sir Daniel: 00:29:03

were successful and everything, but there was so much

Sir Daniel: 00:29:06

turmoil when it was four of them.

Sir Daniel: 00:29:09

But when.

Sir Daniel: 00:29:12

Uh, certain member left, they became a trio.

Sir Daniel: 00:29:15

And they've ever since

Jay Ray: 00:29:17

ever since, I mean, Rona Bennet is once again.

Jay Ray: 00:29:19

It's funny.

Jay Ray: 00:29:20

So when we're talking about, um, Michelle Williams, Rhoda Bennett is in Vogue.

Jay Ray: 00:29:24

At this point, she's been in the group longer way longer than all of them.

Jay Ray: 00:29:29

Other girls was in the group.

Jay Ray: 00:29:30

Like she is like, so when you look at invoke and I S I wrote this, um,

Jay Ray: 00:29:36

at some point I was like, when you look at invoke, I was like, Rona.

Jay Ray: 00:29:39

Yes, we love the.

Jay Ray: 00:29:41

Quartet.

Jay Ray: 00:29:41

We love them.

Jay Ray: 00:29:43

You absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:29:44

But right now I'm like, if we look at the group in Vogue envelope

Jay Ray: 00:29:48

has been a trio for like 15 years

Sir Daniel: 00:29:52

and they tried, you know, they tried, um, bringing Don on board

Sir Daniel: 00:29:57

for and Maxine for performances.

Sir Daniel: 00:30:01

That's right.

Sir Daniel: 00:30:01

Maxine almost forgot about Maxine.

Sir Daniel: 00:30:03

They brought, they tried to bring them on for performances,

Sir Daniel: 00:30:06

but for whatever reasons.

Sir Daniel: 00:30:08

Things just don't work out.

: 00:30:10

Yep.

Sir Daniel: 00:30:10

So, but also that brings me to a question I wanted to ask you.

Sir Daniel: 00:30:14

So do you think the groups that organically form, like, you know,

Sir Daniel: 00:30:19

your home girls, you coming over chilling at my house and we, we start

Sir Daniel: 00:30:24

singing or rapping in M in my basement and we perform, become a group.

Sir Daniel: 00:30:29

Do you think that those groups have a better chance than say groups that were.

Sir Daniel: 00:30:34

On reality shows like your pussycat dolls, like your Danity Kane's, you

Sir Daniel: 00:30:40

know, are you that girl, you know, all of those shows that came out in the early,

Sir Daniel: 00:30:44

late nineties, early two thousands,

Jay Ray: 00:30:47

I don't, you know, I don't think I can say that those

Jay Ray: 00:30:51

groups have more of a shot.

Jay Ray: 00:30:53

I think what it really comes down to is.

Jay Ray: 00:30:58

What are the expectations that are set for the groups at the beginning and what,

Jay Ray: 00:31:03

and who are the people that are part of the teams that are kind of helping to,

Jay Ray: 00:31:08

um, do all the stuff behind the scenes?

Jay Ray: 00:31:10

I truly think that plays a role.

Jay Ray: 00:31:13

I think though, I think it comes down to do the folks get along.

Jay Ray: 00:31:17

Do they, do they enjoy each other because let's go back to Destiny's child

Jay Ray: 00:31:21

for a second, that Michelle Kelly and Beyonce get a, like, you could tell

Jay Ray: 00:31:26

they like each other, you literally could tell when they are on stage

Jay Ray: 00:31:31

together, it means so much to them.

Jay Ray: 00:31:35

That's why Beyonce brings, can bring them out.

Jay Ray: 00:31:39

And the crowd loses their minds because it means as much to them

Jay Ray: 00:31:44

that she brings them out on stage.

Jay Ray: 00:31:45

Cause those is her girl.

Sir Daniel: 00:31:47

Those are her sisters like the homecoming, the bait, Charlotte

Sir Daniel: 00:31:51

performance, like peop you know, people lose their minds for that D

Sir Daniel: 00:31:56

C3 medley, Superbowl performance.

Sir Daniel: 00:31:58

They lose their mind for a DC three mentally.

Sir Daniel: 00:32:02

It's just, it's just powerful.

Sir Daniel: 00:32:04

Even a few weeks ago, maybe like a month ago, you know, Kelly had

Sir Daniel: 00:32:07

her, um, just had her most recent child and the girls were there.

Sir Daniel: 00:32:11

Just chilling in the kitchen, no makeup, just hanging out, holding the baby.

Sir Daniel: 00:32:16

The internet.

Sir Daniel: 00:32:17

Last thing is because those are very girls.

Sir Daniel: 00:32:19

Those are the, those are the black girls that they grew up with.

Sir Daniel: 00:32:23

You know, this generation that grew up with Destiny's child,

Sir Daniel: 00:32:25

that's who they grew up with.

Sir Daniel: 00:32:27

And they love to see that.

Sir Daniel: 00:32:30

And like you said, if they said tomorrow, Whereabouts to do this tour and give

Sir Daniel: 00:32:35

you a reunion, probably be sold out with

Jay Ray: 00:32:38

done done.

Jay Ray: 00:32:39

And, and so I think, yeah, to answer your question, I really truly think it comes

Jay Ray: 00:32:44

down to do the, do the folks who are in the group get along, like, have they, is

Jay Ray: 00:32:49

there, have they found a common ground?

Jay Ray: 00:32:51

And I don't think that has anything to do with how they were formed.

Jay Ray: 00:32:55

I think it's a matter of what are those personalities doing, what they need to do.

Jay Ray: 00:32:59

And let me, let me and let me, and, and I'm, uh, I'm gonna add another.

Jay Ray: 00:33:04

We've Catherine.

Jay Ray: 00:33:06

So we're going to talk about male bands, Keith Richards and Mick Jagger.

Jay Ray: 00:33:10

Don't get along.

Jay Ray: 00:33:12

They have gotten along for a really long time, but they can tour.

Jay Ray: 00:33:16

They're not touring now.

Jay Ray: 00:33:17

Cause they're like, they, like, we're definitely not doing that, but there

Jay Ray: 00:33:20

was a point in time where they would go out, but they own different buses.

Jay Ray: 00:33:24

They on different things.

Jay Ray: 00:33:25

They're going to meet up for the rehearsal and then they're going to meet

Jay Ray: 00:33:27

up for the show and that's all you get

Sir Daniel: 00:33:30

and that's it.

Jay Ray: 00:33:30

That's it.

Jay Ray: 00:33:31

So I do think there is a law.

Jay Ray: 00:33:33

There are some folks that we understand that this is a business arrangement.

Jay Ray: 00:33:37

A we can make it happen.

Jay Ray: 00:33:40

But once again, I think it really truly comes down to personalities.

Jay Ray: 00:33:44

It comes down to two motives that's when you get into the business

Jay Ray: 00:33:47

arrangement and it also comes down to what are the teams doing?

Jay Ray: 00:33:51

Are the teams working in unison because if the people behind the scenes are stirring

Jay Ray: 00:33:57

that pot in a way that is pulling, pulling folks apart, it can't work.

Jay Ray: 00:34:03

And I think when I, when I, we talked, when, when I think about, I think misogyny

Jay Ray: 00:34:08

has a lot of influence over what ends up happening to women in groups, because I

Jay Ray: 00:34:15

think it comes down to the way men tend to handle women that becomes the problem.

Sir Daniel: 00:34:22

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel: 00:34:23

And it's funny.

Sir Daniel: 00:34:25

So you mentioned, um, business and I, it made me think of, and roster changes and

Sir Daniel: 00:34:32

it made me think of one of my, one of the best moments on television, because

Sir Daniel: 00:34:37

I love this group was, um, in the early two thousands, I believe it was 2004.

Sir Daniel: 00:34:42

VH1 had a TV show called bands reunited.

: 00:34:46

Yes.

Sir Daniel: 00:34:47

And one of the most famous.

Sir Daniel: 00:34:50

All woman funk bands out there.

Sir Daniel: 00:34:53

Climax attempted to reunite except for one band member show.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:00

Cool.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:00

Isn't

Jay Ray: 00:35:01

no.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:02

Sure.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:03

So here's what happened if you don't know climax meeting in the ladies room?

Sir Daniel: 00:35:08

Um, man, size love, uh, what's the other one.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:15

Phenomenal funk, eighties, big hair.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:18

All women play all their own instruments.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:21

They've been to.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:21

They've been rocking for a very long time.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:25

So to this day there are two versions.

: 00:35:29

Yep.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:29

If you're a promoter and you want climax, you have to

Sir Daniel: 00:35:32

specify which one you want because there are two versions of climax.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:36

There is the Sheryl Cooley brand of climax, and then there's the

Sir Daniel: 00:35:42

Bernadette Cooper, Brando climax.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:45

And that all happened.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:47

You were talking about.

Sir Daniel: 00:35:49

Keeping goals in mind, Cheryl Cooley felt abandoned at the end and felt like,

Sir Daniel: 00:35:55

well, Hey, um, since nobody else wants to be abandoned anymore, I'm going to

Sir Daniel: 00:35:59

purchase the rights to this main climax.

Sir Daniel: 00:36:03

And I'm going to, because I'm a musician and I want to eat, I'm going

Sir Daniel: 00:36:07

to go out and perform this climate.

Sir Daniel: 00:36:09

She never, however, she never considered the other ladies in lies the rub because

Sir Daniel: 00:36:15

they were like, you didn't have any rights to purchase that on your own.

Sir Daniel: 00:36:18

You weren't the creator of this group because it's,

Sir Daniel: 00:36:21

well-known Bernadette Cooper.

Sir Daniel: 00:36:23

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel: 00:36:24

What is the creator of climax?

Sir Daniel: 00:36:26

So it, and in that instance, you think about, well, who is.

Sir Daniel: 00:36:32

Was there anybody telling Cheryl Cooley what to do or where does she get that kind

Sir Daniel: 00:36:36

of gumption to do that to the rest of the group, but it goes back to what you said

Sir Daniel: 00:36:42

about where are we as a team, as human beings in this group and our commonality.

Sir Daniel: 00:36:49

And do we respect each other?

Jay Ray: 00:36:50

That's what I think, ultimately that I think the climax situation

Jay Ray: 00:36:54

is actually a unique one in that.

Jay Ray: 00:36:57

Probably if there were, if I was in that whole situation, I'd be like,

Jay Ray: 00:37:01

Cheryl, you gotta call the other girls.

Jay Ray: 00:37:03

Like you, the first of all, you got to call the other women.

Jay Ray: 00:37:05

When I'm saying girls, I don't mean it in that way.

Jay Ray: 00:37:07

I'm just thinking of girl groups, you got to call the other, you got

Jay Ray: 00:37:09

to call them up and let them know that this is because the moment you

Jay Ray: 00:37:13

copyright this, it changes things.

Jay Ray: 00:37:15

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray: 00:37:16

There's ownership involved.

Jay Ray: 00:37:18

And I would advise to make that call.

Jay Ray: 00:37:21

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray: 00:37:22

But I'm also not a Shrew.

Jay Ray: 00:37:24

Businessman.

Jay Ray: 00:37:25

Who's like no rabbit all and all of that, but it's funny that, uh, real quick.

Jay Ray: 00:37:31

So over there, Madam X was a group formed by Bernadette Cooper.

Jay Ray: 00:37:36

Um, and so I put that, I put my girl groups all around, so I have JJ fan

Jay Ray: 00:37:40

and all of that, but yeah, Madam X was formed by Bernadette Cooper and

Jay Ray: 00:37:43

had one of my favorite eighties tracks and just, just, uh, that type of girl.

Jay Ray: 00:37:47

But anyway, I. Wished that climax episode was hard because you had all these women

Jay Ray: 00:37:57

and then they brought Cheryl, Cheryl had to come in reluctantly to this experience

Jay Ray: 00:38:06

where you have all the other members who are like, girl, why'd you do this to us.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:12

Yeah.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:13

And it was, it was very emotional.

Jay Ray: 00:38:15

It

Sir Daniel: 00:38:15

was.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:17

You could tell that it was, it was beyond money.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:20

It was, it was all about a trust issue.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:23

It was like, you know, we came up from the mud.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:25

Like we, we would practice for hours together.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:28

We, we came up in the mud as the kids like to say and built this group together.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:34

And the fact that after all of these years together, you can consider us like,

Sir Daniel: 00:38:39

Bernadette couldn't even look at her.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:41

She didn't even want to be in the room with her and the other.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:44

The other ladies were in tears because even though they didn't want her, she,

Sir Daniel: 00:38:49

they didn't want her to perform with them.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:51

They still reached out and hugged her because there's still a family aspect.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:56

There, there was still love there.

Sir Daniel: 00:38:57

If you look at all the girl groups that have, you know, broken up and come

Sir Daniel: 00:39:02

back together, there is still if they weren't formed, if they weren't put on

Sir Daniel: 00:39:06

television, like are making the band.

Sir Daniel: 00:39:08

If they were actual friends at one point.

Sir Daniel: 00:39:11

You will see that it, that love is still there and sometimes

Sir Daniel: 00:39:14

may bring them back together.

Sir Daniel: 00:39:15

Now what you have never seen.

Sir Daniel: 00:39:18

And I'm thinking about this, not think about it.

Sir Daniel: 00:39:21

Well, there were no cameras during the Kentucky fried chicken, um, the KFC

Sir Daniel: 00:39:25

incident, but once you have never seen, if you have never seen a girl group get on a

Sir Daniel: 00:39:31

radio show and brawl, like have a little literal fist to cuffs like drew hill.

Sir Daniel: 00:39:37

And they, and no, but nobody ever really talks about that.

Sir Daniel: 00:39:40

Like they talk about the groups, the girl groups, disbanding, and here you

Sir Daniel: 00:39:45

got drew hill, these big grown Negroes fighting in the studio all the way,

Jay Ray: 00:39:51

all the way

Sir Daniel: 00:39:53

they had just gotten back together that same day, you know,

Jay Ray: 00:39:57

it's it's once again, we come back to the way.

Jay Ray: 00:40:02

So we come back to your original question around how society treats.

Jay Ray: 00:40:07

Um, views and this, so the dudes, so they could fight all day.

Jay Ray: 00:40:13

They could fight, but we are not going to get on media takeout and on

Jay Ray: 00:40:19

TMZ and well it's so, and so's fault that this happened and you gotta, you

Jay Ray: 00:40:26

know, you know why she must have said something or whatever, we don't do that.

Sir Daniel: 00:40:31

Even though we do all know that Cisco is the Beyonce.

Sir Daniel: 00:40:36

I mean, unless

Sir Daniel: 00:40:38

Cisco is the Beyonce of drill

Jay Ray: 00:40:41

and he made the thong song, which is so remember how

Jay Ray: 00:40:44

big that song was as I digress,

Sir Daniel: 00:40:47

huge, very costly, very costly to them.

Sir Daniel: 00:40:51

Didn't make a lot of money, very costly, but catapulted him into

Sir Daniel: 00:40:55

iconic status and bring it up.

Sir Daniel: 00:40:59

Labels.

Sir Daniel: 00:41:00

Bringing that up, that it was costly to make that song right

Sir Daniel: 00:41:03

on song, the video was expensive.

Sir Daniel: 00:41:06

The, the, um, somebody came in and said, oh, this is a sample,

Sir Daniel: 00:41:10

or you're going to pay for that.

Sir Daniel: 00:41:11

So you got to on the backend that cost them money record labels

Sir Daniel: 00:41:16

to this day, still likes to use the excuse that Grove group.

Sir Daniel: 00:41:25

Our our headache because they're too expensive.

Sir Daniel: 00:41:30

Meaning hair, wardrobe, um, makeup.

Sir Daniel: 00:41:36

They're saying that it's, it's not cost-effective because they're expensive,

Sir Daniel: 00:41:41

but if you were back in, back in the days, a lot of these, you know, look at.

Sir Daniel: 00:41:46

Well, those are, those are Haines.

Sir Daniel: 00:41:50

Those are Hanes t-shirts that they put band-aids on.

Sir Daniel: 00:41:53

They scribbled records.

Sir Daniel: 00:41:55

Um, they scribbled markers on them.

Sir Daniel: 00:41:57

Put I paint under their eyes.

Sir Daniel: 00:42:00

You know, they may have passed some cross color pants that might might've

Sir Daniel: 00:42:03

cost them 20 bucks a piece, but do no stylists come up with that?

Sir Daniel: 00:42:10

But then they turned around and maybe

Jay Ray: 00:42:12

the trend.

Jay Ray: 00:42:12

Right?

Jay Ray: 00:42:14

That's what I, that's why I say that some bull, because.

Jay Ray: 00:42:19

If you just watched the Tina Turner documentary, Tina was

Jay Ray: 00:42:23

like, baby, I was doing my hair.

Jay Ray: 00:42:25

I was doing the choreography.

Jay Ray: 00:42:27

I was doing the makeup.

Jay Ray: 00:42:29

I was doing all my own stuff.

Jay Ray: 00:42:31

Diana Ross is talking, Shaka Khan is talking about it.

Jay Ray: 00:42:33

Like all of these women are really good at doing their own makeup

Jay Ray: 00:42:36

because they didn't have no, they didn't have nobody to do that stuff.

Jay Ray: 00:42:41

So this idea that.

Jay Ray: 00:42:44

The women are more expensive thing.

Jay Ray: 00:42:46

I truly, once again, it's a cop-out I see it as I see it as misogyny showing

Jay Ray: 00:42:52

up, because the truth is if we, if we allow these folks to truly do what

Jay Ray: 00:43:01

it is that they do, cause they, they could figure their look out, they could

Jay Ray: 00:43:04

do, you might have somebody guiding, but they can figure this thing out.

Jay Ray: 00:43:09

It ain't cost and you know, it ain't costing you no more than what

Jay Ray: 00:43:12

these dudes have to be costing.

Jay Ray: 00:43:14

You, it ain't costing you.

Sir Daniel: 00:43:15

Well, I don't believe because today everybody has a stylist.

Sir Daniel: 00:43:20

Like, I mean, let's just face it.

Sir Daniel: 00:43:22

Everything is, is highly stylized.

Sir Daniel: 00:43:24

Yep.

Sir Daniel: 00:43:25

So yes, that is a built-in cost for everybody now.

Sir Daniel: 00:43:28

So I don't think that, like you said, it is a cop out, but I also see.

Sir Daniel: 00:43:34

If you notice a lot, once these young ladies turn 25, you know,

Sir Daniel: 00:43:40

that's when people start, you know, looking like, Hmm, how much longer

Sir Daniel: 00:43:43

do we have on the clock for you?

Sir Daniel: 00:43:45

And don't let them have a baby.

Jay Ray: 00:43:47

Oh my God, these, we set, we set these, we set the society.

Jay Ray: 00:43:55

And sets this up to not work.

Jay Ray: 00:43:58

So a DJ, so Daniel, it goes back to your original question.

Jay Ray: 00:44:01

Is it us?

Jay Ray: 00:44:02

And I truly do what I'm keep hearing is that it is all the messed up stuff in

Jay Ray: 00:44:09

society that we do to women impacts all it comes into these groups like it's

Jay Ray: 00:44:17

baked in and there is no way in the world.

Jay Ray: 00:44:21

I will never feel.

Jay Ray: 00:44:23

Um, watching a women perform amazingly on stage.

Jay Ray: 00:44:27

You have, I remember Vivian, Vanessa Williams working through it.

Jay Ray: 00:44:32

I remember Brandy working through it.

Jay Ray: 00:44:34

Uh, so many women I remember working through.

Jay Ray: 00:44:37

So it's not, what are you saying?

Jay Ray: 00:44:39

What are you saying?

Jay Ray: 00:44:40

It doesn't change anything.

Sir Daniel: 00:44:43

And so while one of the best performances.

Sir Daniel: 00:44:46

On, uh, in rap history to me on Showtime at the Apollo is

Sir Daniel: 00:44:50

when a Mony love came out.

Sir Daniel: 00:44:54

Like she was damn near what?

Sir Daniel: 00:44:56

Seven to eight months pregnant.

Sir Daniel: 00:44:57

Huge.

Sir Daniel: 00:44:58

Yup.

Sir Daniel: 00:44:59

And wrapping her ass off, like molding in the middle.

Sir Daniel: 00:45:02

Was she?

Sir Daniel: 00:45:02

And she put it on her belly right here.

Sir Daniel: 00:45:05

I'm pregnant as hell, but I'm out here.

Sir Daniel: 00:45:06

Right.

Sir Daniel: 00:45:07

Because I have to him because I want to,

Jay Ray: 00:45:09

this is what I do.

Jay Ray: 00:45:11

This is my job.

Jay Ray: 00:45:12

Like I'm here, I'm going to do there, they go and do their job

Jay Ray: 00:45:15

just like everybody else do day job.

Jay Ray: 00:45:17

So did we do this stuff?

Jay Ray: 00:45:19

And I don't like, I don't like it.

Jay Ray: 00:45:21

And you know, that came up, um, that came up in the Encore.

Jay Ray: 00:45:27

Through some of the, through, through a couple of the women, the twins

Jay Ray: 00:45:30

that were there talking about age and like there's no, whatever, whatever.

Jay Ray: 00:45:33

And I'm like, baby, what does any of that stuff matter?

Sir Daniel: 00:45:38

But we'll see how they do it to themselves.

Sir Daniel: 00:45:40

They do it to women, do it to each other, do no pun intended.

Sir Daniel: 00:45:45

Cause you're talking about cherish and I just said do it.

Sir Daniel: 00:45:47

But,

Sir Daniel: 00:45:50

but yeah, I caught, I caught that too from the very first episode, because.

Sir Daniel: 00:45:55

The young ladies, the twins, um, Farrah, and I believe in it, I can't remember

Sir Daniel: 00:46:01

the name specific to me, but they w they are currently in the industry.

Sir Daniel: 00:46:06

They have currently written for artists that are out there.

Sir Daniel: 00:46:09

So I guess they feel entitled to make these opinions about what's hot and what's

Sir Daniel: 00:46:16

not there mean, um, criticism of a lot of.

Sir Daniel: 00:46:22

Members of the house is that, oh, I was hoping for more people under 40

Jay Ray: 00:46:27

and, and, and, and I, and once again, it's we have done

Jay Ray: 00:46:31

a thick, a disservice, this is what we are fighting against.

Jay Ray: 00:46:35

And hopefully for folks who are watching Queue Points,

Jay Ray: 00:46:38

listen to what we are saying.

Jay Ray: 00:46:41

There is no reason we are missing out on some tremendous.

Jay Ray: 00:46:46

I know we're missing out on tremendous talent.

Jay Ray: 00:46:48

That could be a. Phenomenal in, in music, as groups, as people who

Jay Ray: 00:46:57

are able to come together and make something happen, because it will make

Jay Ray: 00:47:02

everybody shine in, in more of a way.

Jay Ray: 00:47:05

Um, and I think we're missing out on that.

Jay Ray: 00:47:07

And I think it's, this is all because of, um, I think it's, I think it's misogyny

Jay Ray: 00:47:14

and I think it just seeps into every.

Sir Daniel: 00:47:16

It absolutely does like we're and if we even go beyond just

Sir Daniel: 00:47:22

the girl groups, black music itself, we tend, we tend to want to throw it away.

Sir Daniel: 00:47:28

Like we tend to want to throw anything, anything that's older than, you know,

Sir Daniel: 00:47:33

then a year or two, we've gotten to this point where it's expired,

Sir Daniel: 00:47:38

but there's just so much wealth and richness in the music that came before.

Sir Daniel: 00:47:45

And there's few.

Sir Daniel: 00:47:46

Those are people that have given blood, sweat, and tears to perform for you.

Sir Daniel: 00:47:51

And I really do think that, like you said, this is why we do Queue

Sir Daniel: 00:47:54

Points is because we want to educate.

Sir Daniel: 00:47:57

We want to inform your, of these people say, we want to say their names basically.

Sir Daniel: 00:48:02

And let people know that we do Revere and respect them and appreciate all

Sir Daniel: 00:48:07

the vape contributed to the culture.

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Yes.

Sir Daniel: 00:48:10

So, and before we wrap up, I would like to, um, I would like

Sir Daniel: 00:48:18

to, to congratulate a black woman here in Atlanta, um, and congratulate her.

Sir Daniel: 00:48:24

She's a local legend.

Sir Daniel: 00:48:26

I'm talking about none other than Melissa Alexander also known as Phyllis ELAR.

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She's so dope is

Sir Daniel: 00:48:33

she's a photographer, videographer, a storyteller,

Sir Daniel: 00:48:39

and she has been taking.

Sir Daniel: 00:48:41

To create some study visuals for the upcoming national museum of African

Sir Daniel: 00:48:47

American music celebration of legends, which actually, um, start streaming today.

Sir Daniel: 00:48:54

Same time.

Sir Daniel: 00:48:55

Um, probably after our show, you can catch it live and we'll put in the chat.

Sir Daniel: 00:49:00

We'll drop a link on how you can catch it, but please make sure you check that.

Sir Daniel: 00:49:06

And check out Phyllis ELAR and her work, you know, support a black woman.

Sir Daniel: 00:49:10

If you need, if you're in the Atlanta area and you need some photography,

Sir Daniel: 00:49:14

you know, please support a black woman and let her, you know, let her ride.

Jay Ray: 00:49:18

Yes, no, you would be making the best choice ever.

Jay Ray: 00:49:22

Um, just, just incredibly, uh, brilliant and creative and congratulations.

Jay Ray: 00:49:28

I saw that, um, this, I think it was this week and I was just like, yeah.

Jay Ray: 00:49:32

Absolutely

Sir Daniel: 00:49:34

makes total sense.

Sir Daniel: 00:49:36

And, um, yeah.

Sir Daniel: 00:49:37

Keep your eye on that.

Sir Daniel: 00:49:38

There may be some surprises in there that you, there

Jay Ray: 00:49:41

might

Sir Daniel: 00:49:41

be some

Jay Ray: 00:49:42

surprises.

Sir Daniel: 00:49:43

There might be some surprises that you see in the, um, individuals

Sir Daniel: 00:49:47

that she's come up with, but Jay Ray, you got anything else before we wrap up?

Jay Ray: 00:49:51

You know, I think, um, what.

Jay Ray: 00:49:54

The only thing I want to leave everybody with is, um, one, I have a question for

Jay Ray: 00:50:00

the folks who are watching, what are some, who are some of your favorite girl groups?

Jay Ray: 00:50:05

And are there any groups on the independent scene that are kind

Jay Ray: 00:50:10

of doing things regionally?

Jay Ray: 00:50:12

Because we all know we live in cities and you know, there's groups that are local.

Jay Ray: 00:50:16

So are there any folks that you know of?

Jay Ray: 00:50:18

Um, because we definitely want to check them out and see

Jay Ray: 00:50:21

what's going on because we.

Jay Ray: 00:50:26

Uh, girls, little girls and little boys need to see girl groups.

Jay Ray: 00:50:32

I truly believe it's really, really important.

Jay Ray: 00:50:35

Like they need to be able to see them on stage little girls.

Jay Ray: 00:50:38

It folks, they need to be able to see all of this brilliance and diversity.

Jay Ray: 00:50:43

And I do think that it is missing.

Jay Ray: 00:50:45

I was listening to the radio this past week and, um, Uh, Jade song came, so it

Jay Ray: 00:50:52

was don't walk away and we was jamming.

Jay Ray: 00:50:54

And when the DJ came back, he was like, oh my God, it was so great to hear Jay,

Jay Ray: 00:50:58

because we don't have girl groups anymore.

Jay Ray: 00:51:01

And I'm like, that's, don't make sense.

Sir Daniel: 00:51:05

Representation matters.

Sir Daniel: 00:51:07

And that presentation matters.

Sir Daniel: 00:51:09

And on that note, remember kids in this life, you can always pick up the new.

Sir Daniel: 00:51:16

Or you could let the music play.

Sir Daniel: 00:51:18

The choice is yours.

Sir Daniel: 00:51:19

Thank you for joining us.

Sir Daniel: 00:51:20

Our Queue Points

Jay Ray: 00:51:21

pays everybody.