A full pipeline feels like good news—until you realize you have no idea why it happened. Ray uses a conversation with an MSP seller to make the case that sales should be treated as a system: when the output changes, something upstream changed with it.
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→ Former Managing Director of National Small & Midsize Business at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, where he doubled revenue per sale in fundraising, led the first increase in SMB membership, co-built a national Mid-Market sales channel, and more.
→ Former CEO operator for several investor groups where he led turnarounds of recently acquired small businesses.
→ Current founder of MSP Sales Partners, where we currently help IT companies scale sales: www.MSPSalesPartners.com
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an MSP seller told me last Tuesday
that his pipeline was the fullest that
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it had ever been. Um, somebody that
we're coaching and I asked him, I said,
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"That's phenomenal. Excellent. What's
driving it?" He said, "I don't know. I
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don't think anything's changed." And I
said, "All right, something has changed
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somewhere. This is an MSP seller. We're
coaching them. I'm He's really stoked.
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He's looking at Q3, Q4 numbers, and
they're looking better than they they
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have in in a while, which is which is
great news. Like sales is just one big
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system. You've got inputs. They go
through a process. You get an output.
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There's a feedback loop. That's what a
system is. If the output changed, then
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something in the input or the process
changed. Maybe marketing did something
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different. Maybe the positioning
changed. Maybe SEO hit, GEO hit, maybe
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the founder went on a podcast a few
months ago. Do we actually know where
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those leads are coming from? And he
didn't. And I said, "Pause, man. Like,
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let's celebrate. Like, high five.
Absolutely kickass. I'm glad we've got
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pipeline. Now, let's reverse engineer to
the source of it and figure out what the
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hell caused it so that we can repeat it,
right? Or or at least start to see which
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trends are real, which trends aren't.
That step right there is is the one that
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I see skipped in sales over and over and
over again. And and it's it's why we get
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these waves. Same company, same sellers,
same market for years, and they're
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sitting there waiting on conditions to
change. Like, man, I don't know. Like,
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we used to get inbound, now we don't.
And then a good quarter comes,
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everybody's fired up, and it's followed
by a bad quarter, and everybody's in the
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dumps, and nobody's asking how to get
how do we get control of this? And and
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look, like, man, I'll take windfalls all
day long. Like sometimes you just get a
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windfall. And and you should absolutely
take it, but you want it to be
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repeatable. like better than repeatable.
You want it to be like a steady climb up
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and and to the right. Which means you've
got to know what the knobs and the dials
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are in the system that are creating the
outputs that you're getting. What's
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creating those opportunities? What's
creating the right opportunities? What's
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moving them through the pipeline? What's
making them turn into closed deals?
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What's turning them into good customers?
And understanding that at the root is
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like the cheapest thing that you can do
to to make sure that a couple years from
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now you're not sitting around like
twiddling your thumb going, "Man, I
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really hope really hope we get some more
leads this time. It used to be like the
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good old days and like and complaining,
you know, about the economy or
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complaining about the market or
complaining about competitors or
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complaining about how everything's
changing with AI or whatever the hell it
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is like blaming some externality. I want
to get control of And the data is
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usually right there. Like your marketing
and your sales, especially outbound
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stuff. It's all R&D. It's like it is
research and development. If you if you
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make the effort to understand what's
driving results and what isn't and you
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watch it over time and you measure it,
you start to learn how to control it.
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And something that feels like it used to
be passive is back into your hands. And
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then you're the one driving your
pipeline. And you're the one driving
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your forecast. You can dial it up. You
can dial it down. I don't know why I
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would ever dial it down. Well, different
story. Maybe it's in your control
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because now you know which numbers are
are the leading indicators. What are the
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the things that are going to drive the
outputs that we want. So, learn from the
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success as much as you learn from the
failure. Run it both directions. By the
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way, like the same the same exercise on
every deal that doesn't close at the end
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of the at the end of the pipeline. Where
did it go sideways? Like what what do we
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tweak? How do we how do we trace it back
to something in Discovery or elsewhere
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to change it? Because the more of that
that you do, the more control that
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you've got. And and once you've got the
control, you can actually, like I said,
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you can turn the dials and you can turn
the knobs and that is how you scale.
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Hope it helps. Adios.