In this episode, our host, spiritual teacher John Moore, discusses the UFO phenomenon.

Recently, the US government and other institutions have released evidence of aerial phenomena, now called UAPs—or unidentified aerial phenomena. Most people believe these are craft piloted by extraterrestrial intelligence. However, that is only one paradigm.

Some people, like author Graham Hancock, have called out the parallels between stories of alien abductions and ancient stories of the Fae or Fairie abductions. Previous to that it was angels and demons or gods and goddesses.

It's clear that whatever is going on has been going on for thousands of years and is always viewed through the current cultural paradigm.

Summary

• UFOs, aliens, and spiritual beliefs. 0:27
• John Moore discusses UFOs and the occult with inspiration from Lux Occult podcast.
• John Moore discusses UFO phenomena, using the term UAP and exploring cultural mythology.
• UFOs, aliens, and paranormal experiences. 5:14
• John Moore discusses the history of UFO sightings and their cultural significance.
• John Moore discusses similarities between ancient cultures' descriptions of spiritual beings and modern depictions of aliens.
• John Moore discusses commonalities among non-human, magical beings across cultures, including the Fae.
• How human understanding of UFOs changes over time. 11:41
• John Moore discusses how human understanding of UFO/UAP phenomena has evolved over time, influenced by technological advancements and changing paradigms.
• John Moore discusses how people have dealt with the unknown, including the fear of death, throughout history.
• Moore references various cults and beliefs, such as Heaven's Gate, that have been associated with death and the afterlife.
• UFO disclosure, technology, and human history. 17:30
• John Moore argues that government secrecy and lack of understanding of UFO footage makes it difficult to trust their claims.
• John Moore discusses the potential for space travel and the limitations of current technology.
• John Moore discusses the potential devastation of an asteroid impact on the United States, including the destruction of infrastructure and the loss of technology.
• Moore imagines a future where only stone or earth-made structures remain, with cities gone in an instant and survivors living on mountains with primitive skills.
• UFO sightings and government secrecy. 24:40
• John Moore emphasizes that UFO does not equal alien spacecraft, and most UFO sightings can be explained later.
• Moore lives in Maine and shares a Facebook group dedicated to unknown things in the sky, including Skylink satellites that people mistake for UFOs.
• John Moore suggests that the US government has recovered alien spacecraft, potentially dating back thousands of years, and that there are ongoing efforts to conceal this information from the public.
• Moore also mentions that there are active disinformation programs by governments to shape the narrative on UFOs and alien life, which could be used to distract from the truth about government knowledge of extraterrestrial life.
• UFOs, aliens, and spirituality. 29:54
• John Moore discusses Bob Lazar's claims about Area 51, including his involvement in the project and the secrecy surrounding it.
• Bob Lazar's credibility is called into question due to discrepancies in his school and work records, leading some to question the validity of his story.
• John Moore discusses parallelisms between fairy folklore and alien encounters, suggesting a shared spiritual or collective unconscious phenomenon.
• John Moore argues that our understanding of reality is limited by our capability, paradigm, and reality tunnel, and that there are many layers to reality that we don't perceive normally.
• He emphasizes that none of the reality we experience is objective, and that we can only make sense out of things with our limited resources and viewpoint.
• Gods and goddesses as complex beings with various aspects. 38:32
• John Moore muses on the subjective nature of reality and the perception of gods and goddesses.
• John Moore discusses the complexity of Norse gods and goddesses, who can appear in various forms and aspects.
• Spirituality, interdimensional beings, and quantum physics. 42:30
• John Moore discusses the possibility of interdimensional beings and their connection to ancient cultures and beliefs.
• John Moore discusses the overlap between spiritual and physical phenomena, citing alchemy and a book called "Soul Matter" by John Rochelle.
• John Moore discusses the quantum effects of everything, including teleportation.
• The evolution of scientific thought and the role of consciousness in physics. 50:15
• John Moore discusses the evolution of scientific understanding, from Newtonian physics to relativity and beyond.
• John Moore discusses quantum physics and its implications for spirituality, citing Erwin Schrödinger and Albert Einstein as influential figures.
• Consciousness, UFOs, and spirituality. 54:31
• John Moore suggests consciousness may be non-local and quantum, challenging traditional scientific explanations.
• John Moore discusses the nature of consciousness and its relationship to digital information.
• John Moore emphasizes the importance of understanding subjective reality and its limitations.

Announcer 0:27

Hello, and welcome to speaking spirit where we talk about all things spiritual. Your host, John Moore is a shamanic practitioner and spiritual teacher. And now here's John.

John Moore 0:49

And, but ages before, we have recently said, oh, yeah, there is a stable isotope of element 115. Bob Lazar was talking about this, a decade or two before that scientific information came out. And then he said, You know, I got my, you know, doctorate or whatever I studied at Berkeley, I think it was Berkeley or whatever. And people and I worked for this, I forget which defense contractor and whatever. And they came out and said, there's no record of them ever going to school here. There's no record of him working for this company. And then people found records, they found an old company directory that had his number in it. And they found some, you know, newspaper article where he went to school where he went to school. So somebody went and wiped out, this guy's records, his school records and his employment records. So there's a bunch of hinky crap going on, because this guy came out and was sort of started to talk about area 51, and what was going on there and that sort of thing. And you can, I find it to be a very compelling story. And one of the things he talks about was, everything was really compartmentalized. So people only knew their little portion. And he only saw these vehicles fly a couple of times, he was working on the power supply. But there were, you know, people who are able to control them. And he was able to get inside one of them at one point and whatever. And he got in trouble because he brought people out to area 51. And they had camcorders at the time, you know, recording on VHS tape or whatever, you're just bringing civilians out, there's like, Hey, you got to check this out? Well, you know, obviously, that's a big no, no, for secret projects. So check out the story if you're interested in this. So it's very possible that there are physical objects that can fly through the sky, and even underwater because apparently they can go underwater in the sky, that can do things that are beyond our current understanding of Aeronautics and physics, although we have there are, you know, theories about how we can make certain things work using gravity waves, gravity wave generator, or something? I don't know. It's beyond my understanding. But again, the important thing to me is that this is a phenomena that has been understood through the lens of various points of human development, human human culture, human, you know, human technological understanding over the years. And, you know, Graham Hancock, again, in one of his books, talks about how the fairy phenomena or phenomenon, but phenomenon, there's multiple phenomenon, phenomena. There, he talks about how the way people describe alien abduction, and Alien Encounters is parallel, almost exactly the same as the way they did. They talked about fairy abduction, right? So you have people kidnapped in. So in the British Isles and other places where they believed in fairies, you had people who were abducted by fairies, people abducted by aliens these days. They were taken for a period of time and where they would have missing time, same thing, both places. There were fairy human hybrid, so they would meet with humans and create these crossbreeds. Again, fairies, aliens, we've heard the same stories. And sometimes they were returned after some period of time with these stories to tell and you know, whatever, whatever. You can draw a ton of parallels between these things. Which makes me think that that people are describing the same phenomenon whether it's real or, or some thing that we are coming, Dreaming Out of the collective unconscious, or it is spiritual phenomena. Now, let me take this. Let me extend this and take this into a little bit of a different realm and talk about the spiritual for a minute. Now, I come from a shamanic background, which is animist, and that we believe that everything has a spirit or everything is a spirit. So dogs, cats have spirit, as humans do, but so do rocks and trees and rivers. And the world is full of non human spirits. In fact, human spirits are a tiny, tiny minority of entities and beings that you can encounter out there. There are also spirits of the dead, there are spirits that we would label gods and goddesses or angels and demons, or what have you. Those labels are all extremely limited, very limited the word God. And I don't mean the Source consciousness, they're going to talk about God with capital G, right? The source of all things, the one unifying consciousness, I'm talking about Gods and Goddesses from various belief systems, and whatever any description of them is highly limited and limited by again, our capability, our paradigm, our reality tunnel to use a term, coined by Robert Anton Wilson, very hard for us to step outside of our reality tunnel, very hard for us to understand something that is so outside of our experience, and knowledge and culture. And yet, we want to make sense out of everything is a natural human instinct to make sense out of things, right? It's a survival instinct. If I see a wild animal that I've never encountered before, I first of all have to understand that it's an animal, and that it's not a plant that's just sitting there. But it's something that moves around, and it may have teeth and claws. And I have to understand if it poses a danger to me, or I don't survive and pass my genes on, and my kids don't pass their genes on, right. So human beings want to make sense out of things. But we can only make sense out of things with our extremely limited resources or extremely limited viewpoint. Now to us, reality, 3d ordinary reality can seem very well, you can see like, this is the end of the line, this is what it is. Everything I'm experiencing is absolutely objective. And I'm here to tell you that that's not true. And anybody who's taken an entheogen or done shamanic journeying knows that's that that's not true that there are so many layers to reality that we don't perceive normally. But we can if we are able to shift our consciousness and different ways. Very, very limited. And that's something to understand that if you can understand that, if you can understand that all of the reality you experience is not objective, all of it. Or I should say, none of it is objective. To undo a double negative there, and none of the reality you experience is objective. Everything you experience is subjective. It comes through the, you know, looking around the environment you're in this comes through your limited perceptions. Now you have you know, you have three types of color sensors in your eye, right, they can see, you know, red, I think it's red, green, and blue. And every color you can observe is made up of some combination of those things. Right. Now dogs see fewer colors than humans do. Mantis shrimp have something like 16 different types of cells in their in their composite eyes, we can't even comprehend what it would be like to see things like a mantis shrimp. Our reality would be unbelievably different, not to mention like what their consciousness must be like. Right we think we think we are it when it comes to reality, not even close. Now when we get into the realm of beings, appear like beings that we perceive as purely spiritual like gods and goddesses. So one thing I'll tell you about Gods and Goddesses I'll do a whole a For certain gods and goddesses coming up, maybe I'll do it as my next episode. So, you know, assume for a moment that Gods and Goddesses are real individual beings. So let's take the gods Odin, my fav from Norse mythology, although I'm very fond of Freya as well. So let's take let's take Odin for example. And, you know, to the ancient Norse and to modern well to ancient Norse anyway, Odin was a dude who could show up at your house,

Everything I think is made up of, you know, material that we now understand as quantum until some new model of science comes along, right. So we had, you know, sort of originally before we use the word science, we had Newtonian physics. And remember that Isaac Newton beyond, they called his field of study natural philosophy, right, there wasn't something known as physics, there wasn't something known as science, it was called natural philosophy. philosophers and scientists were the same thing. And he was an alchemists. He studied alchemy, he practiced, he had a lab in his home. And he wanted to understand how the world worked. So he came up with the laws of physics that still govern motion and how planets move. And he, you know, discovered the law of gravity. And he invented calculus to describe the motion of planets and things like that, right? Still effective today still works at a larger scale. Then on a smaller scale, you know, Einstein came along and came out with a theory of relativity. And that started to get a little weirder. And we're still proving out parts of relativity, and there are parts of it missing. But that allowed us to do things like split the atom, for better or for worse, and to understand how things worked at a much smaller level. So that was a new paradigm. And that works. It works for what we need to use it for. But beyond that level, what's what's underneath that. So then we've got now we've got quantum physics and when it's interesting, when you see quantum physicists speak, they get to a certain level and then they start talking in what I can only describe as very spiritual terms. Right. Erwin Schrodinger of Schrodinger, his cat fame, said, the number of consciousnesses in the universe is one. Right? This is a guy who, you know, foundational on some of the print principles of modern physics. And was talking about consciousness and how there was only a single Consciousness in the Universe. Isn't that interesting? And you look at guys like Oppenheimer and you look at Einstein, and these guys were not. They didn't say, you know, my physics disproves spiritual reality, or the existence of higher intelligence or consciousness or whatever. Not at all their stuff started to get really, Einstein called some of it spooky action at a distance, right? Quantum entanglement. I can have two particles separated by any distance, two particles created in the same reaction. And if I observe one, it affects the other with no information passing between them. We don't know how that happens yet. We don't but it makes things like we've done. Quantum teleportation we've done I mean, years ago, years ago, we did faster than light communication, using what's called electron tunneling. Right, it transmitted I think it was like one a Beethoven symphonies through a really long led brick, and it traveled at 1.6 times the speed of light. Isn't that physically impossible? Well, according to relativity, right, but we're learning new stuff all the time. Relativity still works. There's still important stuff going on there. But we're going into a new scientific paradigm now. And the big, the hard problem in science. You know, the hardest problem that I know of currently is consciousness, where, where does consciousness come from? And, you know, some materialists would say, well, consciousness is just a byproduct of the brain. That does not explain your subjective experience a, you know, a bunch of ones and zeros passing through. A silicon chip isn't not self aware does not have a subjective experience of something as complex as we can make that computer does not have subjective experience and does not have an experience separate from brain activity which has been observed, right? With people who have died, who've had experiences that they remember similar experiences that they remember. And so, my explanation of this, again, is very similar to Graham Hancock's explanation that the brain is a transceiver of consciousness, but that consciousness itself seems to be non local. Is does that mean it is a quantum thing? Perhaps if we, I mean, we really, you know, by we, I mean, not me, but science, physics really wants a physics explanation of consciousness. It's uncomfortable for them to think that there may be an other than straight up physical, and maybe, maybe we will get to the point with our science sometime in the next billion years, where we can use physics to explain spiritual phenomena. Like consciousness, like life after death, that sort of thing that doesn't take anything away from spiritual effects. It doesn't make it any less special or cool or wonderful. We know we have consciousness that is a beautiful to me, that is the miracle of miracles, the fact that some wavy air coming out of your, you know, your air pods, or headphones or phone or car speakers, or whatever, hit your eardrums, and an electrical signal goes back into your brain and you experience me talking to you. That's consciousness. My speech, your understanding of my words, that is arising in your consciousness, that's not a result of electrical signal, signaling the wire that goes from my microphone, into my mixing box, and eventually into my computer isn't having an experience of me speaking, it's transferring digital information is just ones and zeros. Right. And that's true, you know, it's, it's translated into, you know, over many different times and different things like this. This is being recorded as a bunch of ones and zeros that will be put into mp3 format, which is compressed, also ones and zeros but in different format. And then you'll upload it and download it. And when you download it and play it, you know, that has to be translated into sound waves or into electrical signals that are then translated into sound waves very analog to analog, digital, digital analog. None of those things is having an experience like you're having of me talking to you. Right. So, anyway, I'm going to wrap this for today. Been talking about UFOs, aliens, fairies, Gods and Goddesses consciousness technology, and what we understand about it, and some different ways to look at it. And if I can pass along, one thing, one key, just understand that you're living in a reality tunnel. We all are, we all have tunnel vision. We, we cannot really understand anything outside of that reality tunnel, without shifting the reality tunnel expanding it or tearing it down to some extent, but that just makes it larger we're living in then we live in a different reality tunnel. Understand that our subjective reality is subjective. And the meanings we place on things are subjective. They're not. It's not reality. And we get into trouble when we try to impose our reality on other people.

So put some thought into that. You know, and I will I'll be doing more of these going forward. I also have a YouTube channel where I do live broadcasts on it's called shamans tent you find on my website which is at me In shaman.com, or just go to YouTube and search for search for me, John Moore at shamans tent. And I have a fairly regular live video broadcast I do where people can ask me questions and we talked about topics and it's called the shamanic coffee hour. The topics are not always about traumatism either it's somewhat like this, pick some random topics. But I hope to see you there and we'll talk to you real soon.

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