Rebecca and Tori are joined by Nancy and Jeff to chat their initial thoughts about Jon Favreau's, 'The Mandalorian & Grogu.' We recorded a few days after the movie was released, so we really do wallow in the shallows. We discuss our expectation and disappointments, but overall, we all enjoyed the movie.

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Hey, hello peeps. Welcome to Wallowing in the Shallows. This is Tori.

And this is Rebecca. We are academic nerds aspiring to become TV and movie geeks.

There are no spoiler guards in the shallows, so listen at your own risk.

Today we are jumping into hyperspace with Star Wars, the Mandalorian, and Grogu. And we are joined by our Star Wars experts. We're so thrilled to have you. Thank you for joining us, Nancy and Jeff.

Yeah. It's been a while. So wow. Yeah, it seems like I was waiting a while for something Star Wars to happen. Although I did watch the Maul series. it's pretty good. And the animation is amazing.

We're going to be back.

We haven't picked that up yet.

I would expect nothing less. I they gave us Rebels and Clone Wars, so...

this animation blows that out of the water. We'll have to pick it up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Great,

sure. Yeah, Darth Maul is just not one of my terribly favorite characters so I kind of give him a miss but I've heard it's very very good so yeah I think it you owe it to ourselves to watch it.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you gotta watch it. It's good. It's good, good, good.

So do we wanna do general thoughts or just dive in

I'd be fine with some general thoughts first, I have a feeling, you know, once we start down the path, we are going to get in the weeds every once in a while. So, yeah, generally, my expectations were because I was a little bit beaten down by some of the online hate for it, the reasoning online hate that just give me a rolling adventure free of space wizards doing navel gazing. Just because I want I wanted an adventure that was not

Sure, sure. So I think I think I too had tempered my expectations. And so if I kind of look objectively now, I'm like, you know, how much progress was made, how much character development, whatever, I don't know. But did I get lots of fun Grogu moments? And was I very interested the whole time? You know, yes, it it pulled me in.

It was exciting. There were things that were not perfect, but I enjoyed myself. So I think I think I was very entertained. And you know what? That is saying something.

Yeah, I think it's like a good entry point for people who haven't really seen it or for casual Star Wars fans, I think it's probably really good. And I also I want to say I did enjoy it, but I did have some problems with it as well. So which I'm sure we'll get into, but yeah. And I'm gonna have to be on on that side too. I really enjoyed it.

But was it hit out of the ballpark for me? Mm not not really.

So.

And you said something, Tori, that I'd just like to pick up on that entry point. And I am just curious about how many new viewers they will get, right? Because I was talking to a couple of friends of mine who were like, yeah, well, I'm not that big in Star Wars, you know, I'm not gonna see it. And so I j I just I'm just curious about how many new people who truly do not

have much exposure are actually going to be tempted and will actually go to see this versus keeping the fandom happy, you know. So it'd just be interesting to know.

Well, I think if the fandom would stop bitching about everything all the time, they might be able to draw in a better audio you know, a new audience.

Yeah. Fair.

data that I've been reading about in terms of the box office is that the film going into its opening weekend, it was getting positive word of mouth and that was driving people to go after that initial weekend. And that a lot more families, parents and children were going to this. And that ties into the thought that this is kind of an entry level, is this a good enough entry level film?

for the Mandalorian and we'll get into this maybe later, I don't wanna put it all out, but there were several moments that kind of set the hooks, like okay, who's this weird guy in the armor, why does he never take his helmet off? And it's like, well, you're a Mandalorian, you guys never take your helmets off because that's part of your creed and they leave it at that. We don't hear anything about any any covert, so we don't hear about Bo-Katan, nothing like that. It's just, yeah, we're gonna give you exactly what you need to know.

about what a Mandalorian is, why he looks the way he does. So there were hooks like that that told me that they were trying to make this for a broader audience. Oh, for strong. To pull people in. And yeah, that's about it.

Yeah, I I I actually saw it twice. I w 'cause on sat on Saturday I was bored. I was like, I think I'm just gonna go see it. So I went and saw it at a twenty-one, like Cinebarre where you have to be twenty-one to get in. And so it was all adults and and it was k relatively small audience because it was kinda earlier in the day. So I I think people there had kind of mixed feelings about it. But

We went and saw it at IMAX then. Boy, the quality of the film itself was so much better. Could not believe it. But there were a lot of kids there. So that kind of made it a little more fun, right? Especially there was one time it this one little kid in the back was like, Grogu! Good.

Yeah, that was us.

Grogu, I think, when Grogu opened the door, climbed in through the window and opened the door for Did. He goes, Good Grogu! It's so cute. Really?

Yeah, it did make it yeah, it was we I think about it, I think that did make it a little a little better. Anyways. Our crowd was really small. We were at ten fifteen on Thursday and there was maybe not probably not even twenty other people in the theater. Yeah, and I would think the most yeah, mostly most hardcore, obviously more hardcore fans

in two dozen and a

So very very very polite crowd. Thank goodness

Yeah, nobody said anything. There's no clapping. I mean there was sometimes like some like, you know, a little here and there, but mostly people were just kinda quiet and so it was it was and probably nobody was under maybe fifteen, I think. So we didn't really have any no kids. There was no like families, it was mostly like teenagers and above.

It was mostly adults, like us.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so that probably kinda made made a difference too 'cause everyone was spread out through the theater, so you don't necessarily I don't even know I saw half the audience beyond when they came in the door, so much less heard them if they were responding or reacting to anything on on the movie. So I mean that probably maybe could have changed it a little bit. I think like having a little acute moment like that little person would be really good growth. Yeah. That's funny. Well I'm I'm curious is what you thought

Yeah.

Of the story itself.

criticism that I hear is that it's basically it feels like a mini season or a couple of big budget episodes of the TV show and yeah I do agree that there is that. It's still a basic, pretty basic adventure when you think about it and it doesn't really have too many hooks to like need to be fit into a season so I think those comparisons are going to be inevitable that it's always going to be compared to the show that it came from. So

The story took some turns that I didn't quite expect, it had a few surprises for me. So, mean, simply a nice adventure. was, again, tempered expectations. I wanted to see how much the New Republic would have to do with it, and I was pretty happy with that. Going back to the thought of having like a Black Sheep Squadron TV show come out of this, because they've got whatever exists of Rogue Squadron and Marshal's Little...

public, know, just thrown together and you've got this ragtag squadron of oddballs that fight off Imperial remnants and pirates. Slam Dunk, that's... if anything, this movie felt like a setup to that and just to my twisted mind.

And you know, brand new stealth technology. And we need we need more of it. The how do you pronounce it? The Azellans? Azellans. Coming in cloaked in a flock of birds. I mean, these guys knocked it out of the park.

Anzellans.

Yeah. Those little dudes they just kill me.

And then they go and bring in the Calvary, you know, they were just so amazing. The one guy getting abducted by the dog and uses a little ?. And the reunion of the four of them was magical. I'll tell you. yeah. Ha I mean, puppeteering masterclass because I just thought that

Mm-hmm.

Grogu and that that little group were just incredible and kind of completely made the movie for me.

Yeah, I think for me too. They were just ridiculously adorable. I just every moment everything that came out of their mouth was hilarious in the moment. And just the idea of what they were doing was so so monstrous, but they succeeded anyway. After the one dog. Was it a dog? I don't know what that means. It looked like a war. I just I can't even just just kill myself laughing with those little things. They're just so funny.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're kind of like slightly more coherent minions. So I got to wonder, know, that's if that was kind of a tailored move to like pull on the, like, they're like the minions. And so they think they're cute and they buy into the fact that they're puppets more. I don't know. But I really did like that the one puppeteer who provided all the voices for all the Anzellans.

It was one person doing four or five roles. So Dee Bradley Baker needs to watch out. He's doing voices all over the place. did it for all the clones for heaven's sake.

Sure.

Shirley Henderson did the Anzellen voice. Yes, yes. okay. Okay. Yeah. I thought they were much more understandable than they were in the series. I think you're right. I think that was a very deliberate choice. But I think also for me because they were so priceless in the scenes with Carl Weathers in that. It's just I found he was so amazing. So I think that like really links it together for me. And so I just find the whole

Exactly, yes. But she did all of them.

yes.

Anything with Anzellan and Grogu in it. I'm I'm I'm there for it.

Yeah. Yeah. And when we were leaving the IMAX, I'd said to Rebecca that I was disappointed that there was like nothing that really ref like they were in Navarro, right? There was nothing about Carl Weathers, but one of the signs

We talked about that too.

Yeah. here it is. Here it is. Here's my note. At the arena where

the generic monsters start to come out.

Yeah. So where they had that, that sign says weathers and it says a pot they did have something, but it was just in that Star Wars language, whatever the hell it's called.

Yeah

Aurabesh. Aurabesh, thank you. We talked about that in the parking lot as well, we hoped there were even just some sort of memorial plate at the beginning of the film or the end of the film. Yeah. memory of Carl Weathers. I would have appreciated that. But there was a nice low-key tribute with that arch. But I think Nancy and I agreed that any scene where they took the time to talk about him on screen, a character that people who are new to this have no idea who it is.

that it would really slam on the brakes for the pacing of the film. And it would be a distraction.

That's true. So I guess, you know, hardcore fans. You know, if this had been if I had streamed it right, I would probably stop it and and try to translate a bunch of that stuff. So I had to rely on Eric Voss for that because Yeah, you know that's where we Yeah. So anyways.

Yeah, same.

Speaking of that Coliseum fight, Pedro Pascal is really really getting type-casted for Coliseum type role. He was in Game of Thrones and had a very unfortunate end there. Yes. he was in that second gladiator movie, right? I don't know what befell him there because I did not see that film, but I know he was

Coliseum. He does not survive.

Okay, so this was his redemption arc. Yes. This was He fell in Game of Thrones and and fell in the Gladiator movie, but he succeeded.

One for two.

Star I got this.

So now maybe he can retire the Coliseum bit. We'll see. But I wouldn't be surprised if he does another I'm a crotchety Old Man that is dragging an orphan across the galaxy or country after an apocalypse, whatever the case may be. The last of us.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I can which I've never seen. I can't do for zombie movies. Not even for Pedro Pascal. I can't just nope nope. Totally random question. Did you see the puppy interview with Pedro? my god.

I saw the thumbnail for it. But I didn't actually watch it. But I just said, you did pee-pee!

answers any questions 'cause he's just like and these puppies are like are crawling all over me and then they eventually like fall asleep on him. It's so cute. It's so cute.

I you! I f***ing trust you!

Whoever thought that idea up is genius.

massive thud of panties and other underwear dropping to the floor.

Like whatever publicist or aide or I don't know who thought that a friend person on the street, that person now gets to do anything they want. There's probably some you know rabbit fan out there that like, I wanna adopt one of those puppies that catch me. A little weird. But anyway, yeah, I sorry. I just saw it a couple days ago and I'm like, my god, that is adorable. Yeah, my goodness. Yeah. But back to the movie.

Yeah.

I was super happy that Brenda Wayne and Latif Crowder got some top billing there. I was like, that's fantastic. Agreed. Yeah, that always makes me really happy. Yeah. Well, I imagine, I mean, 'cause we don't see Pedro's face very often. He was probably doing a lot of voice stuff and they were probably on set a heck of a lot more than it was. Although I saw in swimming, it's all him.

Yes, we will.

He was like every bit of 'cause he was a swimmer when he was in high school, like he said. So was he? Yeah. So he he's like he was adamant that like that's all me. It was not anybody else, which I thought was really interesting. It was an interview that

So like it would be like almost the most physically dangerous they would expect to have one of the other suit actors So I'm happy that yeah, yeah I hope the feeling is mutual between them all because it is so good to see all of them elevated and I think I think Pedro as the most face forward of three Does go go to great pains to make sure he elevates Latif and Brendan as much as possible and he's just so dang wholesome and I'm

so happy that the fate of the world balances on whether or not he truly is a good person.

Huh. Wouldn't it be funny if people were like, you know, I really buy that the Mandalorian is Pedro Pascal, except for when he was swimming. It really didn't, it was like, I really didn't buy that part.

After all. That had to be somebody with a did you replace the head

Yeah, that that guy was having an off one day.

Yeah, yeah, that'd be really funny. Yeah, I saw interview with Wayne and Crowder and I I I didn't maybe one of you have told me this before, I do not know, but I didn't really realize that Brendan Wayne did most of like the body work and Latif Crowder did most of the really big

Yeah, my understanding is Crowder was more like the martial arts aspect of it and Brendan Wayne was more weapon use. The weapon use and maneuvering.

Yeah, he's like Brendan Wayne was saying when they were first like kind of getting together and talking about what the Mandalorian would be like, blah blah blah and all this stuff, and he's like, Now watch where I put my hand on the gun. This is very Western like And I'm like, there's a surprise. I learned this from my grandpa. Learned it in my grandpappy's knees. Editor's note for those who don't know Brendan Wayne.

Right.

yes.

Who is one of the actors playing The Mandalorian is John Wayne's grandson. And hence our comments about Western style gunfights. Yeah. Yep. Yep. So I thought that was really fun. But yeah, I was so happy about that. I'm like, that's good that they're not that they elevated the stuntman and they didn't it wasn't just credits at the end. Yep, yep. I don't think I've ever seen that.

They were above, some people have noticed, were above Scorsese.

Yeah. Well they should be. Yes. Yeah. And I have no idea, but it seems to me to be the first time that I can rem remember anyway, where there's three people who are equally responsible for a character. So I would say that each of them brings something to it that's unique to them, but that somehow the others replicate in some way, in s magical triumvirate of people who make the Mandalorian the character he is.

So it's only fair that they should be right after his name. I mean

are so in sync that they can, there's the innate understanding that we need to act the same way across all three of us. really, really, really happy.

It's kinda mind boggling, yeah. I'm like, what? It is.

Yeah.

Yeah, this isn't the glory days of watching Frisco County Junior and picking out real Comet versus stunt Comet just because of the shape of the facial marking. Like one was much more blocked off because it was clearly a Friscate that had been used to airbrush it on. So.

my gosh.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like some of the stunt people on Buffy be like,

Completely different body type, but that's all right.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. Well I yeah, I imagine being in the suit gives you a little bit more freedom to covers a feature. It's not gonna be quite hopefully not as noticeable, but you know. Yeah, well at least covers the faces, that's and the hair, that's usually the dead giveaway. Anyway.

We're going mention this to you really quick. I noticed that there seem to be a lot more cases of being able to see reflections in Mando's helmet. it wouldn't surprise you if there was an entire effects house in those credits whose job was simply to do texture mapping of a reverse of a shot to ensure that it reflected on Mando's faceplate. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. The first time I noticed it was when Sigourney Weaver's character, the Colonel, was speaking with him on the tarmac.

first mission and I could totally see her reflected in his visor and I just watched for that the rest of the movie.

Nice. I didn't catch the reflections. What I was continually boggled by was I was like, how does he keep all this clean?

Well, he never gets a new cape so... I mean... He gets...

Yeah.

In some real dust ups, but man man

Well he must sweat, right? I mean he's supposed to be human, I think. Humanoid. So he must sweat. I mean there must be things that happen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like he's either going on as a stinky Mandalorian or he's doing laundry somewhere. The practicality part. It's funny that you bring that up because in the scene where he's at the huts and they take off the comment, I'm like, this hair is. It's not that kind of movie. Like

Yeah.

Yeah. Should have been all sweaty and flattened and nobody's hair looks that good after a helmet. I wonder actually I wonder if that's why they did that. So I wonder if A it was just a mistake, right? Or if they actually did that as a callback to that comment that supposedly goes around when they were doing the trash compactor scene, which is a scene very much like weird what he's kneeling in.

What if it's a callback to Mark Hamill being concerned because his hair was really good and they got out of filming for a minute and he asked Harrison Ford, you know, like what about the continuity with my hair? And Harrison Ford notoriously says, It ain't that kind of movie, kid. So what if they made Pedro's hair be not messy as a callback to the first movie? Well, for me it's the first movie.

Yeah, all right.

And that sounds like some ? influenza. So if you're listening Sounds if we're right or not.

I mean, old fans like us, appreciate the deep callbacks, but man, that's a deep, callback.

I mean, these are two dudes who made who made a toy a an entrance feature of some stormtroopers. Like, you know, what the I don't remember the fourth or fifth whatever episode in that in the of the series, you know, so like they they I mean if anybody could deep dive into stuff like that, it would be them. So I did get because we were just talking about the original trilogy, I was getting vibes like from the original trilogy, particularly with the well, the puppeteering as you were saying.

Absolutely.

But some of the creatures even sometimes had that little bit of stoppy. Yeah, yeah. And so I thought that was really cool. And I was like, man, I'm getting some Phil Tippet throwbacks here. And then I found out that those two droids that were guarding the huts, the two giant ones, were called Tippet Droids. So I did appreciate that. I w I got vibes from the original trilogy in this movie, which I really appreciated a lot.

So.

Yep.

I mean and they weren't like in your face either. They were I mean, somebody who you'd never seen the trilogy or was just casual might not have picked them up. But I I thought that was really good.

Yeah, I think that having those those big herky-jerky guardian droids kind of fits with them being stop motion because all of those droid body guards were patchwork pieces. mean, some of them had battle droid heads, know, the big shrimpy looking ones from from Phantom Menace. And then you had some of the heavy battle droids there are called. But everything was all patchwork. So I could see a big lumbering guardian droid having to like, you know, move like

in halting steps because it's pieced together from all sorts of scrap. But also, conveniently, having most of the cannon fodder bad guys be droids means they're not people, which means it's okay to shoot them. So make it family friendly.

That's true. Yeah. Yep.

But a human can smash into a mountainside and burst into flame.

yeah, yeah. See any funny parts? It's okay. There's nothing to see here.

Well he'd probably survive that

This is a bad humuns.

Yeah. Well and on the way in, right, he he wasn't just knocking those people down.

Make sure you're them. Torch them for one go.

So yeah. That might but then they did soften it a lot for the robots, maybe you know. No, I think the part I did find unbelievable was when they get on that like the two legged motor scooter thing and then goes down what looked like the owl on this unsteady two legged thing and and I'm like in any moment that

Yeah

my gosh.

It's gonna snap a leg.

No, it's it's right. It was unbelievable for me, even like within the context of that world. I was like, the physics are a little bit off here. But maybe it just showed Mando as a really great pilot, I guess, as for the moment pilot. I was like, really? I you know, he would have wiped out fourteen times by now, but so I was kinda like I didn't that sequence didn't really hit with me.

Yeah, that was a little bit of a stretch for me as well. But I'm gonna head-canon it by saying that Grogu being on Din's shoulders was looking ahead with the Force to sort of get a terrain map and was Ratatouille style, just sort of giving Mando little taps on the back of the helmet to get him to steer at certain times. And that is a technique that he and Mando have developed over time that we never see because this is simply a movie. We don't have time for that.

Second.

Ha ha.

I don't know where to go with that, so

Ha ha ha.

Grogu's little precious but he straps it on and he put on his little power cuff and put his put his little explosives of it in his just tiny little tiny little fanny pack. It was incredible.

was nice.

It's that tiny little fanny pack. That's amazing.

I mean, for me, that's kind of the character development that Grogu needed to see is that he can get himself ready if he really needs to. He's wise enough to know that he can't do it himself, that he needs help, but he can get himself ready. He can put his own pants on. change his diaper. He can change his own diaper at this point.

Yeah. Yeah, clearly he's not totally helpless. So and I thought the puppeteering I know they had a new some new animatronics for the Grogu character and you could really tell. I th that it was a step up for sure. Yeah. Huge. Huge. He he moved more, more fluidly. I mean, still, you know, if you really backed out of the fantasy part of it, you would you could okay this, you know, but

But you're like, maybe it's just how l little kids walk weird because they're little and they haven't figured out gravity yet. And then they're on different worlds that have different gravity. Maybe he's just walks, you know, like you can rationalize it. But yeah, his the facial expression, those those ears. Little fuzz of hair. I mean, whoever designed that, you know, or whatever team came up with is I'm sure it wasn't just one person, but I just can't and then who keeps developing it, you know, more and more and more to just look.

Plus a

You know, I more than one person has said that most people on cast just treat it like it's a living cast member. Like they don't really think of it as a puppet, which I thought was really i interesting comment. I think both Sigourney Weaver and I think Pedro said the same thing. And of course Werner Herzog must have saw something in it.

I'll place Werner for his Vista.

Ha ha ha.

Do this for me.

Okay, that's enough.

Call back.

Thank you, Werner.

so glad that Grogu's lifetime is so long because I cannot bear if he becomes a fully matured Mandalorian and needs to wear a helmet. We cannot have this happen. This we must we must protect both Grogu's face must be exposed at all costs.

We have to get one with ears and stick way out. That would be funny. Do you think they'll continue with the character?

Space Viking look.

Cool.

He was a bit of a cash cow, so

think honestly it's going to depend on what the final box office numbers are. Because right now they're pretty good, but they're not record regularly good. So, they really think it's going come down to how successful it is if they want to do another series or maybe just do one-off mini movies with a smaller budget and go back to the volume and keep it smaller scale. I sure hope so.

Yeah.

Yeah, in terms of television, if not film, I'd say I'm less than 50 % on a second film, theatrically. I'm greater than 50 % on a mini-series, if not a full season, but not a full season, or a couple of, you know, couple of specials.

Yeah, I didn't think that that the story needed to be told on the big screen. For me, it wasn't like big enough to be told on the big screen. And I know that I was listening to an interview with Favreau and he was saying that, you know, they really dropped a lot of the stuff like Thrawn was gonna be in season four. And so they dropped that. And so there's a bunch of stuff that they that I think would have of course made it more interesting, but they just couldn't fit it into this time.

frame for a film. So it just lacked the bigness that I I want to see in a story. Most of it was very predictable, right? There weren't for me tons of surprises. And so that took away a little bit of the sunshine for me. Yeah.

Yeah. And in a series, there would have been opportunities for like a breather and be like, what's gonna happen next, right? What next week when the next episode drops. There were places that had some suspense, but in the movie form, you know, then the next scene you find out the resolution. So I think I really would have liked it to just be another season. And so I hope I hope the cost metrics are such that this ends up

paying off, you know? Yeah. That making this jump. I don't know the economics involved, but I think I certainly would have been satisfied with another season and then could have also had my enjoyment last longer, right?

Sure, Spread it over weeks, suppose. Two hours, yeah.

Exactly. Even if it was only half a season, you know, or a or a mini season or something.

I think if they had done that we wouldn't have gotten Rotta the Hutt. We wouldn't have gotten a full CG character that looked as good as he did.

We also have them, so

It's true that we would not have had nearly enough Zeb, you know, and yeah.

Maybe would we've been okay with that.

Right, right.

We also wouldn't have had CG Hutts slithering all over each other.

That was

Which is kinda disgusting.

Yeah.

I mean, I I loved the Rod of the Hutt character. I thought the voice was well done. I liked the relationship with Grogu, but you know, I didn't need him to be Jack to the nines. I know it was appropriate for the, but it was also just kind of bizarre. And I kept getting these Dune vibes, if you've read Far Enough in Dune. And so I I just I I don't know. I I don't know. It you know, it could have been something other than a hut, I guess, you know, and still gotten the same relationship.

And then I was always like, is he even gonna fit into their ship? You know, it it huts are just so big. There's just kind of this other, you know, there's this other aspect. But I did I liked the voice acting, I liked the character, but it wasn't that I was like, my god, that character was amazing visually and it it totally I mean that's not in my list of the things that looked so amazing.

that really made an impression. But I do I do think the voice acting was good and I thought the character was good.

Yeah, yeah. It was a big twist that I was not expecting to be as much a pivot point for the entire movie as Rotta turned out to be. I thought he was going be a side character. I thought he was going be a much more of side character than he ended up being.

Right. I thought Zeb would play a bigger role than he did. And Ken and Segurney Weaver's character was Yeah, I thought she was much way underutilized. yeah, me too. I'm kinda angry about it. I'm kinda angry about it. I was like, Wait, four scenes, three scenes? What the heck? Seriously, Segroni Weaver, you're gonna ask her to come on board for three scenes? Really? That just felt a little cheap to me, kinda. You know, like she's better than that.

Totally agreed. I could have I could have used so much

Yeah. And I don't know if that like you somebody said, maybe this is setting up something they will do next. Maybe, yeah. You know, so like we saw, you know, we we had her introduced, but then when they were in that bar cantina thing, I think we looked around and there were people that were in the bar and cantina the last time Mando was in there, so I think. So maybe they were trying to set something up. I I don't know. It's just it's felt like there were ways they could have

nudged her to be involved a little bit more than she was.

see her getting promoted off of the airbase to some more administrative role within the New Republic. So we have our Adelphi Squadron TV show and she's like a special guest star every once in while from like representing or you know showing up to grease the wheels of the bureaucracy to work in the Adelphi Squadron's favor. Like she's like their business, she's like the high up government contact. So that way they can keep her character in. Yeah it's...

It is fun to speculate and have to agree that it's not something I immediately noticed, but yeah, I do think her character was underutilized. She got her moment.

I she's still got it, man.

Every scene she was in was good. Yeah, so she got to kick butt. She got to be in uniform. She got to take Grogu's snacks away in very assertive manner. And she got to play a competent boss who got played by the Hutts. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'd love to see more of her,

When we were walking out, I was like, I still can't figure out why Zeb was had to be in this movie. I mean, I know he was in that one episode of the T V show, but it didn't make sense to me. I mean, 'cause when we see some of the other live action rebels people, like my mind just went blank. I Ezra I mean, that all makes sense. They made sense.

in the context of that story. But it was almost like, we need a character, let's just pick one. Throw a dart at the wall, see which one it lands on. Right, right. Yeah. Suddenly there was a connection that we've never heard of before. Like we you know, did he know him that well to like start doing missions together? You know, like he was Right. He was just there. Yeah, I agree. It was kind of weird. I mean I was happy to see the character 'cause I like the character, but it's great live action, I thought Yeah, yeah, really good. But it was really disjointed 'cause I was like, did I you know

Yeah

I have a seizure in the first minutes of the movie and like I miss something. You know, like what's what's missing? Why is it this way?

It's it's kind of implied that this is not the first time that that Mando and and said have worked together for the new Republic like this is like the latest in you know string of assignments as he's trying to make his way through their their deck of most wanted Imperials So yeah, I'm sorry. I lost a thought nevermind

What's the name of the bounty hunter that has the kind of UFO for a helmet? Yeah, I thought that guy, you know, and you really you really get the sense, you're like, this is a real badass to get the upper hand on Mando, right? Because you see Mando just take out, you know, fleets of things like at the same time. And single-handedly, this guy takes Mando, not only

gets him, but gets him alive, right? Successfully and and he didn't lose Yeah. The Hutts lost. He fully did his job.

His name is Right.

Okay. Yeah, I'd recognized him right away. I'm like, cool. Yeah, I thought the the shape was really familiar, but I couldn't think what series it was from.

Mm-hmm.

I thought that was done very well and it was ominous, right? Yeah.

and yeah, character a few words. It's all from the account.

With the kind of lighter moment, although I guess maybe it wasn't a really lighter moment, you know, with the Anzellans, you know, the dog carrying only one of the Anzellans and I mean it's hard not to laugh. He's got me can't even I just can't even.

And he didn't rip him apart.

I for sure thought that Anzellan was dead.

Yeah, yeah, I guess the dog was taking a long time. But I always felt like that was maybe a little bit too much comedy for what should have been something pretty momentous because we haven't really seen Din Jarin defeated in that way in a long time.

Right.

Yeah, and it wasn't because they had Grogu, right? That's the other thing is you could see him surrendering immediately because Grogu is held captive or so no, Grogu and the Anzellans got away, right? And granted, Mando helped facilitate that, but you know, they got Embo Embo Embo Embo just got the jump on him. The they got away Scott f well, they didn't get away. Scott Scott got captured by the topic.

Embo.

But that had nothing to do with

Yeah, it's interesting. He was distracted by them. 'Cause I remember he kinda he must like saw them or something and 'cause he looked away and that's when he stepped on the thing that

Mm-hmm. Right.

Electrocution.

This was this was a bounty came prepared, right? He was like, okay, I've really, you know, it is ninety-nine prep 99% preparation and one percent physicality here. I'm not going in hot. I'm going in smart.

Well, especially against the Mandalorian. I mean Yeah. Yeah.

I don't

Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think so. I was like, Well, you're gonna destroy your little Navarro home?

He's got a new Razor Crest. He's got the motor home.

Yeah. That was a nice moment. I wondered how he was gonna get that Razor Crest back.

Nice.

Yeah, was a decent explanation.

Yeah it was.

Now it just becomes Mando driving around the universe collecting children. Well it's like Mrs. Frizzle, but it's Mr. Mandalorian.

Yeah.

No one else.

Grogu's little muddy igloo.

we don't

must need a tension breaker as he's trying to force force push

surprising Mando didn't also get concussed on type of everything else.

Bescar is pretty hard, right? Like it's supposed to be hard the harder than steel, so Yes. Yes. I do question though, where'd he get the mud? Like and how do you carry the mud? Like how long how how much time has gone by? You didn't use the force? Like I have questions about the hut, right? I wanna know.

Yeah. I have questions about how long that whole thing transpired. And I as we left, I I asked Tori, I was like, How well do you think you eat and drink when you're unconscious?

Yeah, right. Okay, like what do you think?

guess it wouldn't have done for Pedro to get the helmet off and he's got like corn and stuff. It's all crusty. We don't want to see that. It's like, it's perfect. Like he's not wearing any kind of a cowl underneath the helmet because that's how it actually works. But yeah, it's just, you have Maybelline hair underneath just just a glistening smutz. That's just the way it works.

Yeah.

Loved loved the guy Love that guy living on the bayou who gave him the gave him the fish and the I was did

Mm-hmm.

It's a

It's freaking insane looking in the shadow of the huts like that.

Yeah, I could have used more of him. I mean that character would be amazing to see more of. Right. Why is why is it there? What what is he doing? You know, how long has he lived there? Are were there are there other people that live there? Yeah. That's the Gator his name is Gatori, like a gator.

Gator, yeah.

yeah. Well Gatori rocked.

Yeah.

And quite a potion master. I was very impressed. Two little nibbles, and Mando was right as rain.

Stand up and everything.

Finally went to the bathroom after three.

Were you kidding in that whole scene, right? Or that whole set when like Grogu is gets his little staff walking stick and he's going through the swamps and stuff. I had huge Dagoba vibes.

Absolutely.

I because I couldn't remember. It's been a long time since I've watched that episode. Was that like Dagoba music? Like was that the Yoda music from Dagoba?

Yeah, I don't know either Tori, but that's a great point. It might have been. 'Cause I I mean, sure it was the setting that was very Dagoba, but the something about the music too. I was like, Man, I'm having big old Dagoba vibes. Yeah, and then he's building the hut and like it looks, you know, so similar. Yeah. Yeah, it was that was really an interesting sequence. What is that setting up? You know, like where's that gonna go? Yeah.

kind of shows that Grogu up to a certain extent can take care of.

Yeah. I know our baby. But it implies that hut building is a species instinct related trait. Because you can't just like throw clay together and expect it to go well, right? Like how do you know how far to go up? No, so that means it's something in this genes, structural trait, structural integrity. How do you keep it from falling down?

Yes.

Yeah, we let it dry, you know, like there's a lot of questions. Yeah. You didn't ha and how do you learn that? You know, so it has to be like part of a species genetics? I think.

Epigenetics. Right.

I come I completely bought it. I completely bought that he just knew how to do it. And the only thing wrong was not making it

Thank you.

Right, yeah, that was adorable. Yeah.

He never had a build one that big before. You just couldn't imagine something that big.

Just put a few palm fronds here. This is

And some dirt. They threw some dirt on it too. Yep. so funny. But I do have to admit I also thought that segment was just a tad slow. Even though there were cute moments to it, I'm like, wow, it's a little slow.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The Grogu's Big Adventure. It was my favorite part of the movie. I couldn't have it be more. there were so many it was a little much of the big battle scene things, you know. I mean the big set pieces, which were fine, but you know, and then when the arena beasts all escaped and were going at the guests, you know, I don't know. I I didn't need too much

Yes.

More of that. And I would have happily taken a little more of Grogu meditating or cuddling with Mando, you know, I'd have been okay. Maybe I just wanted to be the Grogu movie. That's quite possible, you know. Maybe I just need to fully admit that.

Had a few more adventures of them, you know, doing something together, you know, like in the first segment with that. my god, I just totally blanked out with the speeder thing that he was on on the snow planet and the ad out walkers. You know, I thought having other adventures that they're doing that show Grogu like able to do different things or you know, to show their relationship a little bit more. Cause I think for me that was a big part of the movie was their relationship.

seeing how it progressed, you know, the things that he knew or thought that Grogu could do, you know, and that Grogu in some senses was still a baby, you know, like pushing the buttons when he shouldn't.

Yeah, we're telling him to heal.

I hated that. I hated that so I was like, what the hell? Heel, stay, come on.

No, it's not.

skills.

Yes.

Question, how can an entity that can lift rot of the hut full on from this pit he has fallen into not force open the little birdcage he was being imprisoned in during the

I guess.

Maybe his force powers work better on things that are organic as opposed to inorganic. The very first big thing he lifted was that mud horn.

true.

Interesting hypothesis.

So fire isn't exactly organic.

Okay, but it's not like steel or concrete.

think it's an elemental stuff now. He's a firebender, okay? Let it go.

Sorry to point out the blog.

I still, I mean, I don't think they had any idea how powerful Grogu is. And so I don't think that was an ironclad, you know, kind of cage. Now maybe he just didn't get his opportunity. I'll buy that that there was always somebody watching. And so he feared But I mean, here's the other thing, right? The little dude can like jump twenty feet. Yeah. You think that cage is stopping him?

He could just jump twenty feet with the cage with him, right? And just sort of jettison himself several times, you know? So

Much logic for that guy. It ain't that kind of movie. Fair. Fair. I think that might have to be the title of this episode. It ain't that kind of movie, kid.

my god.

I can't eat that, get out of the way.

You know, the number of times Rotta the Hutt said, I'm my own man I was like, Are you a man? Or are you a hut? Do you do

I was like, Yeah, now I am my own slug, but you know

Ye slug would have been appropriate.

I think one of the writers I've read said that every species implied it was a science fiction book, said that every species think they're the human ones. Like and everybody else is the alien or the foreign, you know, the not like them from they're different species from different planets. So it kind of makes sense that they would call like he would call himself a man because maybe in his species whatever bits he had or didn't have or might have or

Yes.

would have had to define himself being that pronoun I don't think it's a pronoun, that verb now. Maybe that's just the way the Huttese translates into English, right? Right.

It would just be a problem of the language. That's which speaking of, you know, they he they were speaking basic or whatever the language is.

Yeah, I I should have said basic or whatever is is it basic? Is that the common language?

I think Galactic Basic.

Okay.

Sounded weird coming out of the gigantic slugs.

Wow. I do agree with you about his abs, mostly because like do other snakes have abs? Like do snakes in general, like in the what you know, like what like in terms of locomotion, is the muscles, you know, I don't I don't know. I'm overthinking it, I realize, but I just seem not to fit with his anatomy that we have not his anatomy, but the anatomy of huts as we have known them.

was not I know you said that too, Rebecca. You're you're like this th that's just kind of weird. Yeah.

It was like, whoa. It was very centaur, you know.

He was, yeah, he was, his upper half was quite upright. Yeah, I guess like a Jabba the Hutt figure with a couple of He-Man arms stuck on.

my god.

Speaking of He-Man.

I can't wait. I wanna I wanna see my man. Sorry, sorry. Derailed. Derailed. It was one of the previews. That's why it's relevant. That's why

yeah, yeah. I did think it was I tried to find out like how they got Scorsese after his comment, you know, his big Star Wars is in cinema comment. And I guess somebody I guess Favreau said that's who they were hoping they could get, and somebody else was like, I'll call him and see if he'll do it. And that's and he just said yes. I'm like, so that easy. Yeah, yeah. It seemed like kind of a

you know, extending a bridge or something. Yeah, I don't know if he just felt like he got a lot of backlash from that or I don't know. But I did like his character. I thought it was really well done. yeah, I want to see more of that character. Yeah. And I want to see more of the market that that shop or tr little truck thing w was in. Like what else is happening in that market? It's 'cause it looked pretty cool. And I guess that flat meat sandwich is something Favreau and what's the name of this chef?

Enjoy.

Choi, yeah, Roy Choi. They came up with that. And it's spam and something? Yeah.

Yeah, you ? for it.

Spam paninis.

love it. Yes, I would.

I would too, but I wouldn't want any of the green crap they put on top of it. I'm like, what is that? Like slimy and gross pesto, yeah.

It looked like kind of like a Star Wars version of a Philly cheese steak. Yes. Made with a block of unshaved steak-ums. They put the cheese whiz and they put what looked like green peppers, but they put it in a panini press. And I'm thinking you need to be selling this at Black Spire Outpost at Walt Disney World and Disney.

I bet they'll show up there.

Good deep dive. You know, I was thinking that the Martin Scorsese appearance was somewhat unique. That, you know, he d you know, I think of him as a producer, director, right? But I'm looking on IMDB and producer 114 credits, director 80 credits, actor 46. Now, granted, many of them are voices and stuff, but I I am shocked at just how many acting credits the dude has. That's not what I think of him.

Right. Yeah, I didn't realize that either.

So I mean, and sometimes he plays himself, but he does plenty of other stuff too. Sometimes uncredited and maybe they're just, you know, it's his own movie and they needed somebody and so he stepped in. But but there's plenty of ones that are I mean, I think he enjoys acting as well. So that's that's just that's interesting. And he certainly he has such a distinct voice, right? Yes. That did work really well with that character. And, you know, they worked they worked the eyebrows perfectly. So

Yeah, no.

if they did any motion capture of him like in the full suit, the ping pong balls, that sort of thing. Or if they just like, you know, took reference of him on video, like in the booth, doing the hands, like, it's like, oh, we're just talking, we're just talking, this is not, I'm not gonna.

right, right, he was recording, sure.

It's like they're like like all like like decades of mob films just sort of still in this conduit. It was was lovely.

Yeah.

I didn't realize that the character he played or the the species the character showed up in solo. I didn't make that connection. Durant yeah.

share the same last name. Yes, and Favreau voiced that character.

really? Interesting. Interesting. Well, I want to talk a little bit about the arena scene a little bit more, but I don't want to I don't want to talk about Rotta. Everything else. Because I I was really proud of myself. I was like, wait a minute. Those are from the chess set.

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Yeah!

Awesome.

some of the species were the same some of the moves that they did were the same this they sounded the same like a little skittery one

Yeah.

I think the one that really kinda clicked it in for me was the short one where it doesn't, it's its head is kinda like Yeah. He he's kinda like neckless and he's carrying that big club. And I'm like, wait a minute, I know that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what tipped me off too. I was like, Wait Yeah. I've seen that.

Awesome.

It's a big wide shot that showed sort of circular chessboard pattern as well. Yeah, very nice. And the fact they call it a dijarik match as well. So yeah, you know, just hit that name right on the head.

Yep.

Well, I didn't recognize the name Dejarik. Is that what the chess game is called? I just recognize the characters. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna write that down. I'm gonna try to remember. Dejarik. So that was another one of those kind of like callback things. I'm like, okay, I like that. Yeah, yeah, I love that. I thought that was amazing.

Yeah, that's what it's called.

How about when the twins got eaten by that sea snake? It really reminded me about how Jobba the Hutt would eat the little creatures, you know. The little froggy things. Exactly. It was like they came to the same end. There's always a bigger fish.

You know, I knew I had seen that thing before, but I couldn't remember where. And of course, boss. It was Obi-Wan fought it in the Clone Wars. I was just calling it the basilisk. But But that was kind of one of those predictable things, you know, that of course Mando got poisoned and I'm like, Well, that's pretty predictable. And even in the in the chessboard scene, you know, when they

Yep.

had the electric creature and I'm like, that's gonna short out the whole arena and they're all gonna get lost and they're all gonna escape and the crowd's gonna go crazy. So anyhow. Whatever. I just like just wanted a really big surprise. 'Cause I really I only saw the very first trailer that came out like two years ago. Mm-hmm. wow. Okay. Yeah.

So I knew Zeb was gonna be in it and the Anzellans were gonna be in it 'cause they were in that first kind of piece together trailer and and I did a really good job of not running into the in my social media or YouTube.

Hats off. That's not easy how things are fed to you so customized.

Yeah.

So I was surprised that I didn't get a big surprise.

There was certainly no Luke I am your father moment.

Mm-hmm. Maybe that's why I was just a little disappointed. It felt small too small a plot for the big screen like that. You know, like I think we've all said at one time or another. It just felt like a series of episodes kind of strung together. And yeah, there wasn't really there wasn't really galaxy saving, you know, he got he got a couple of bad guys. Yeah, you know, it wasn't really yeah, just it wasn't big enough. It didn't yeah, yeah, it just didn't have the scope of the other movies.

Yeah.

basically decapitated the HUD cartel, leaving a massive power vacuum in the underworld. But unfortunately, that's not going to be obvious to the family that is coming to see this for the first time. That's something only the bigger nerds are going to know, that this is like changing the power dynamic in the outer rim.

No, that's true. So now I'm that makes me wonder when you say that, Jeff, if Skeleton Crew takes place after this.

Yeah, I'd buy into that, Yeah, because the new republic is established at this point,

Yeah, you know, we didn't have our big scrolling screen at the beginning telling us exactly what we were

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I won't I... if they're gonna have a movie, man, I want the big scroll. You know.

I was wondering if this was the first one that didn't have it. Anyone know? I I no

I think some of the one offs don't have it. Solo doesn't have it, does it?

I've blown

Dumb.

Don't have the scroll

I don't think Rogue One had a crawl.

I was thinking that myself. Yeah, Rogue One Solo. it didn't? Okay. Yeah, yeah.

You're right.

You'd have like an intro plate of text though.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's I mean, the animated series don't use

But it does but it does feature an introductory text shown sentence by sentence in the same font and color and immediately after, a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. We didn't get that.

Yeah, yeah. So it's not part of the main saga. Mm. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder why they didn't do that. And they did so much else that was a callback and a tie in to the movies that have come before, but yet this one kind of which I would maybe that's why I didn't I wasn't wild enough to be like, it is part of it. Look at that's the it has the crawl. It says a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

Gosh, I'm I'm looking at the solo opening text right now, and even though it isn't scrolling, it is very reminiscent. Anyway. This did this didn't even this didn't even try. Okay, that's that's all the solo I'm gonna watch.

Thanks for taking that one for the team, Rebecca.

Thank you. Thank you. It was big was a major sacrifice. I appreciate you you knowing.

So if you have to pick a shining star, who would it be? Rebecca and I have a new thing. We do shining star. Mm-hmm. And we also do our our favorite scene. Spotlight scene. Spotlight scene, thank you. One bagel.

Mm-hmm. I'm here for you, girl. Well, I'll do mine because it's just far too easy for me. Grogu. Grogu is my shining star.

Yeah.

don't know that I would see this movie if so yeah I sometimes like to go boutique and do kind of somebody who did something special that was a little ad, but I cannot I cannot rob I cannot rob the little guy from his well deserved as my shutter.

Very nice. I'm gonna go boutique. Okay. And I'm gonna go with Embo.

I guess that did surprise me. I was not expecting to see Embo and I thought he looked kick ass. And I was impressed that he was able to capture Mando.

Nice.

Yeah, yeah.

Nice. I respect it. I respect the pick.

I'm gonna have to go with the end cell.

Yeah

I could go different ways, but I just can't not. They just they just make me laugh too much and I feel like at a time like this I need that. So, you know, yeah, I'm gonna go with the Anzellans.

guess I'll go with Rotta. Yeah, just to keep everything different. otherwise I would go with Grogu, if only for the, just to make sure that I keep hyping up the puppeteers behind Grogu. But Rotta for sure was the biggest surprise for me in this film as a character. I just thought he was gonna be a big dumb rancor in hot form. But the fact that he's like, I kind of got a good thing going here, even though he was kind of too dense, too maybe too naive to realize that he was being set up.

fall at the end. He's like, yeah, my father was Jabba the Hutt. I'm not like him. So I decided to become a pit fighter. And now people are cheering me because of what I was able to achieve by beefing myself up. I'm, the people cheer me. They like me. I'm not my dad. I'm my own man, so to speak, as he keeps saying it over and over again. So, I mean, the fact that I did not expect that at all from this character makes him the most memorable for me.

like it. So I I don't I don't immediately have a spotlight scene, but obviously it would involve Grogu. And okay, I think you know what? Because this also highlights the Gatori, I think was his I think was his name, the Gator guy. I think I'll I think I'll do those interactions as my spotlight scene.

Yeah.

I really liked Grogu's independence there. I mean, granted, it was desperation of hunger the first time, but I also liked that we saw that he really can understand. And Gatori like used that and kind of gave him yes-no questions. You know, I'll assume, blah, blah, blah. So yeah, and I just love the I love the whole down by the bayou vibe. And so, so yeah, I think I think that whole bit is gonna get my spotlight scene.

Yeah, and those Gatori swamp scenes I I thought it was great payback for the frogs.

You

That might be the part I laugh the hardest at. I think for me it's the scene where there's the bombs are about to go off and Guru's tapping him on the helmet.

Nice.

with his finger, you know, like trying to get to hurry up 'cause the bombs are getting ready go off. Yeah, yeah. I f I thought so cute and really told something about their partnership that, you know, Grogu was an active participant. He's no longer just observing so much of this early seasons. He was just an observer. He was too young, you know, but now he's really matured a lot. I thought that was a sweet way of kind of, you know

Right at the beginning.

father son relationship and yeah Grogu's trying to take some agency and you're like, dude, you gotta hurry up 'cause this bomb's gonna go off. So I that's that's that one for me. Yeah, yeah. You know, that's ironic now that you say that, 'cause I it made me think about the fight with the the dragon snake. And you know, Grogu sets that bomb and they're just like standing there and Mando's like Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's also a nice way of also illustrating he's still a little kid, right? That he's still Right. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, that's

Dad, Dad, I did the thing.

For me, I'm a sucker for anything involving X-Wings in space combat and the rap-spirit combat. So, yeah, I gotta go for that one shot at the very beginning of all the X-Wings and the Y-Wings, sort of in the heat haze with the sun behind them.

in a full silhouette. I love a shot like that. I'm also happy to see all of the cameos of all of the X-wing pilots who are actually directors of the show. I think Doug Chang got to be the Y-wing bomber. So I'm happy to see him. So, I mean, those are those sort of like little geeky Easter eggs that I love. So to have that all wrapped up in in this battle scene where it's like with the good guys or.

That for me is pinnacle.

Yeah, this was my favorite movie. Yeah, this was

Cool. I kinda got top gun vibes with that scene at the beginning you were talking about where you got sort of the mirage from the heat business.

Yeah, that was really great with the sun and the silhouette of the Yes X Wings. That was real old school Star Wars. Yeah. Definitely. I love that callback in particular. That's something I think like ingrained in our brains, you know, that scene is just so iconic for so many people. You see that, you're like, I know what that is. That's Star Wars, you know, just what it is. Well, I think

really kind of struggling with picking my spotlight scene. I think I'll just go with the introduction of Embo.

Because it was something that surprised me. I wasn't expecting Embo at all. And and to have something from Clone Wars. I think he was in Rebels too, wasn't he? Doesn't he show up? so I I'll just go with that. The introduction of Embo. Yes. The war.

So.

Yeah

Very good translation from animation to live action. Very well done.

Yeah. Yeah, it was really well done. Yeah. All the all the CG characters were just amazing.

Maybe Embo needs a series. Is he considered I I have is he kind of on the evil side? Yeah, 'cause the he's a bounty hunter. He did his job, right? And when the Hutts are like, Save us, bounty hunter, he's like, Forget it, you know. That wasn't the job. Exactly. And so I didn't pick up total evil vibes from him. I picked up gut at his job vibes, but perhaps there's more insidious stuff about him in some of this. Yeah.

K

Thank

In these other places.

Kinda made me wanna go back and rewatch the episodes of Clone Wars or or animation that he's in to see if he interacted with it was just on the tip of my tongue. Cad Bane. Cad Bane, thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

I believe they did.

'Cause I was thinking, 'cause he was such a badass in this movie, I was like, Wow, it would have been great to see a fight between Embo and Cad Bay. my god, that would be amazing. Yeah. And again, he did what we thought was not doable, right? Like he took down he took down a Mandalorian. So Yeah. Like he had a pretty consequential moment in that movie that, you know, is that gonna have repercussions later? Like if we get something because Grogu's not the only one who's changing, right? Right.

Din Jarin's changing too and right. You know, and what effects might that have on him later on. Mm-hmm. it'll be interesting interesting to see if we get anything else. I think Pedro's been very open saying he would continue playing Din Jarin, so you know, creating the surrounding cast, I guess. So who knows? Hmm. Who I'm now I'm thinking like, who would I really like to see him?

Well, number one, I would love to see Katie Sackoff again because I love her as Bo-Katan. So that would be amazing. And I mean I wanna see the armorer again because I'm still not convinced she's a hundred percent good. Right. I still think there's some sketchy stuff about the armorer. And so I would love to see that. Well explain why it's not a cult, right? 'Cause it is kind of you know, like how did the two factions or whatever we're gonna call them?

like branch off from each other, you know, like what w how are they handling now kind of being put back together again? Yeah. You know, where obviously in in the movie he's still the mythology or the statement that he can't take his helmet off is still there and he still right reacts in that way. So it's it'll be interesting to to see if we get anything else beyond this movie. Yeah. Yeah.

We'll just have to wait for next Star Wars celebration, I would guess, for a big announcement.

I have to admit I'm trying really hard to keep my expectations low for the Ryan Gosling film. Because I love the

I know so little about this,

I love Ryan Gosling. I just I don't think it's gonna Did you see Project Hail Mary? Not yet. Flipping amazing. You can still if it's like in a second run in the theater and you can see it on the big screen, I highly recommend that. But that movie, God, I was just like, I loved that movie so much. All right. Well, hey, I'm

No.

Okay.

Really hungry. Starving, yes we can eat something.

I don't need to eat

Understandable. I am also hungry and I've eaten more than a bagel today.

Ha ha ha.

Alright, well it was great seeing you. Yeah, awesome. So glad to be here. Yeah, good to see both of you too. If you if you all watch Mall and you want to talk about it. yeah. Yeah, awesome. That'd fantastic. You gotta go watch some damn Clone Wars, girl. Yeah. Yeah. At least the Maul episodes. Yeah. I was thinking about rewatching Clone Wars, so yeah. Awesome. All right, cool. Yep.

Okay

I'm in.

Okay, I can ha I can do some homework.

Thanks. all we gotta do now is say goodbye.

Thanks for listening to everybody.

And Harrison had a really firm grasp of like the overview. I think he'd make a really good director if he weren't so lazy. But we'll edit that out later. But for instance, we were doing the scene where it was right after we got out of the trash compactor. We hadn't filmed that scene yet. And I'm looking in continuity and I said, Well, wait a second, this is right after we got out of the trash compactor.

Shouldn't my hair be all wet and matted with schmutz all through it? And he turns to me and says, Hey kid. It ain't that kind of movie.

If people are looking at your hair, we're all in big trouble. And I thought,

Ha ha

So

He's so right.

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