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A Wakeup Call For Clinicians and Organizations with Dr. Nicola DePaul
Episode 626th October 2022 • Therapist Expanded • Erin Gibb
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Welcome back to Therapist Expanded! Today I’m interviewing Dr. Nicola DePaul.

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  • Nicola shares her personal passions and her professional passion for clinician wellness
  • She goes on to describe how her past work focused on thinking globally and acting locally, as well as how her own vulnerable journey with burnout now informs her work and life
  • Nicola describes how she’s implemented boundaries in a field that asks for self-sacrifice, and that unlearning that self-sacrifice and that burnout is a wakeup call (once someone is ready to see they’re experiencing burnout)
  • Nicola shares that she works with healthcare leaders and how important, easeful, and empowering it is to focus on what’s within a their control
  • I share my supervisor’s question that helps prevent burnout: Am I acting responsibly or taking responsibility? Nicola describes what acting responsibly looks like in her work.
  • She mentions the loss of physicians in her organization and how that relates to not hearing the basic concerns of those physicians and how that has big impacts on morale and more when a physician leaves an organization
  • We discuss the use of anonymous surveys to gauge employee needs and improve morale
  • Nicola describes her core value of openness and how sharing our own mental health struggles as clinicians within organizations is important, and that some organizational cultures do not support this.
  • We discussed the difficulties of being a graduate student and how the hierarchical, less-than conditioning of being a student, and then entering a field that is full of trauma and gives out rewards for overworking, really fosters some of these challenges
  • We discuss the books Clockwork and The Big Leap
  • Nicola shares what mental health REVOLUTION means to her (it’s about empowerment and living in the zone of genius, and that a person’s contribution is so much more expansive showing up this way than in the societal expectations of pleasing and self-sacrifice). We explored her journey to showing up radically transparent in her relationships so others can have her actually in their lives.
  • She shares that hosting her own podcast Menders is what she’s meant to do, and allows her to create artwork in relationship
  • Nicola shares her perspective on failure and how this is leading to exciting new horizons
  • Checkout Nicola's Podcast Menders: Love & leadership in Health Systems

Thanks for listening!


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