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Pull Up, Speak Up: Who Holds the Power? Healthcare, Diversity, Democracy, and the 14th Amendment
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In this Pull Up, Speak Up episode, host Tony Tidbit convenes a powerhouse panel featuring Les Frye, Lauren Burke, and Wayne Edwards to tackle some of our time's most urgent and polarizing issues. The discussion dives into the skyrocketing cost of healthcare, the retreat of DEI initiatives in a post-George Floyd era, and the contentious debates surrounding the 14th Amendment and birthright citizenship. The panel also confronts the unsettling assassination of UnitedHealthcare's CEO, exploring its broader implications for corporate leadership and public trust. Adding another layer of complexity, the conversation examines corporate America's evolving stance on political contributions and its impact on democracy. The episode concludes with bold predictions for 2025 and a powerful framework—LESS—that equips listeners with actionable tools to dismantle discrimination in everyday life.

▶︎ In This Episode

00:00: Introduction to Healthcare and GDP

00:35: Welcome to Pull Up, Speak Up

01:56: Meet the Panelists

02:50: Personal Backgrounds and Inspirations

07:20: Ground Rules for Discussion

09:33: Reflecting on January 6th

16:14: Corporate America's Shift in Support

28:57: The Evolution and Pushback of DEI

40:58: Personal Background and Hard Work

41:16: Misconceptions About Race and Privilege

42:27: Media Influence and Generational Bias

43:01: Affirmative Action and College Admissions

48:15: Healthcare System and Corporate America

01:03:27: 14th Amendment and Birthright Citizenship

01:11:02: Predictions for 2025

01:14:04: Final Thoughts and Call to Action

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Tony Tidbit:

So if our, I don't even know what our total gross domestic

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a hundred trillion or whatever it

is, maybe it's more than that, but

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17 percent is going to healthcare.

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When we've tried, oh, we, we, we,

it makes no sense that this country

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supposed to be the greatest country on

the planet cannot come up with a plan

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to have healthcare or their citizens.

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They always talk about immigration.

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They always talk about they're coming over

here for socialism case may be, but we

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can't come up with a plan for healthcare

and it's the 17 percent of our GDP.

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BEP Narrator: The award winning a

black executive perspective podcast

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presents pull up speak up more

meaningful conversations drive progress

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and every voice makes a difference.

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So what's on the table

for discussion today?

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Tony Tidbit: It's time to show

up, speak up and get real.

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Welcome to pull up, speak

up a new series podcast.

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Your safe space for raw.

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Unfiltered and honest discussions

that people tend to shy away from.

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I'm your host, Tony Tidbit.

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So very excited to be here with you today.

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We have a fine panelist and dive into

some deep issues, but before we get

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Magazine.

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com.

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So today our round table, we'll dive

into several different types of topics.

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Number one, corporate values,

clashing with political power,

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the rollback of DEI initiatives.

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The tragic assassination of a health

care leader, birthright citizenship

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debate, and they're going to provide

their bold predictions for:

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So, let me introduce everyone

to our fine roundtable, right?

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So, first, we're Les Frye, a

dynamic leader and creative

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force known for her work in film,

television and corporate America.

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Les Frye.

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Welcome to pull up speak up.

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Glad to be here.

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Always.

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That was awesome.

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Next is Lauren Burke, a strategic

marketing leader and the

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founder and CEO of LJS advisory.

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Lauren Burke.

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Welcome to pull up speak up.

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Lauren Burke: Thanks for having me.

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Tony Tidbit: I'm glad you're here And

then rounding out and not that he's last

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because he's the man right is my good

friend Wayne Edwards the experienced

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television production professional

and distinguished professor at the

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University of New Haven Wayne Edwards,

welcome to Pull Up Speak Up, my brother.

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Hey,

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Wayne Edwards: thanks, Tony.

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Looking forward to the conversation.

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Tony Tidbit: So great.

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Number one, I'm excited.

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We got a lot of stuff to talk about today.

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So first question, just so everybody

knows you, I'd like to know a little

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bit about where you're currently living

and a little bit about your family.

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We'll start with you first, Lauren.

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Lauren Burke: I live in Fairfield,

Connecticut, not far from

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where we're sitting right now.

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I live with my husband and my two

young boys, ages eight and five.

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And as Tony, uh, so nicely mentioned,

I, um, am founder of my own marketing

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consulting company called LJS advisory.

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Um, but I grew up in the digital

advertising world, uh, with Tony actually.

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Tony Tidbit: Well, welcome.

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Very excited.

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Les Frye.

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Tell us a little bit about yourself.

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Les Frye: So I'm originally from the

Midwest, uh, Florissant, Missouri.

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I'm currently living

in Newark, New Jersey.

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Um, I have six children.

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Uh, they are all four legged, uh, cats.

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And, uh, and I am the executive producer

of Cliff Dive Productions, which is a

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production company that takes on all types

of productions, streaming, podcasting,

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and now, uh, plays, Broadway plays.

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So very excited about that.

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Uh, I met Tony, as he said before,

Tony and I worked in the corporate

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world through digital advertising.

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I'm still in digital advertising as a

day job, and I'm just really happy to be

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here and have a great conversation, uh,

Tony and I know we always, uh, debate,

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so this is going to be really good.

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Tony Tidbit: Now you're already

giving them all the secrets, all

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right, that's all right, well, I'm

glad you're here too, my friend.

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And then obviously Wayne, tell us a little

bit about you, where are you living and

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tell us a little bit about your family.

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Wayne Edwards: So, yeah, I live

in Southington, Connecticut

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with my wife and two kids.

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Uh, I have a daughter

that's 17 and my son is 12.

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Right now, I'm a distinguished lecturer

at the University of New Haven, teaching

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production, teaching journalism, also

developed a course called Race, Gender,

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Class in the Media, and I'm also the

owner of my own consulting company, Wayne

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Edwards Strategic Consulting, if I can get

that out right, Wayne Edwards Strategic

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Consulting, in which I help small

and large businesses grow and thrive.

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With their media.

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Tony Tidbit: It's awesome.

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Awesome.

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Well, number one, thank you for coming.

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The other question I have real

quick before we dive into the

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topics, you guys are all busy.

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You got a lot, you know, you

own a production company.

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You're this professor.

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You have your own marketing company.

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You guys have families.

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So the question I have for each

with you, I'm going to start

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with you, Wayne, on this one.

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What inspired you to join the

Pull Up Speak Up Roundtable

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to talk about these topics?

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Wayne Edwards: Well, it's

about the topics, right?

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And these topics are, for lack of

a better term, hard hitting topics.

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And we're at a time now in our society

where it's kind of apprehensive to talk.

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about things that we're about to talk

about because it may offend people.

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Right.

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So having that space, that

civic space is refreshing.

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And I look forward to that.

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Awesome.

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Les,

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Les Frye: you know, one of the

reasons why I joined us, of course,

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you know, I love having conversation

with you and getting into debates

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with you, but mostly for education.

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I just recently spoke to

someone who is a Gen Z er.

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Um, and I felt like a lot of the

education of the things that we're

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talking about diversity and inclusion.

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It's something that's not

impressed upon them anymore.

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They're confronted with it now in

the society that we're in, but they

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don't know the history behind it.

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So having conversations like this

authentically, uh, speaking at it from a

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perspective who is actually of a person

who's actually dealt with these type of,

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uh, the dichotomy of the, of the whole DNI

space and working, I felt like this was

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really important for me to come here and

have a very open and honest conversations.

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Um, and I'm going to be as

candid as I possibly can.

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So, well, that

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Tony Tidbit: is great.

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Looking forward to chatting and debating.

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Lauren Burke: And then Lauren, I'm

here because I believe really strongly

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in what you're doing here with a

black executive perspective, as well

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as pull up, speak up, because you

are touching on topics that sort of

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bubble under the surface of society.

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And then they tend to kind of explode.

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Right.

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And I think the more that

we can all feel comfortable

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talking about them collectively.

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The easier it will be

just to like bent, right?

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So we don't have these big, you know,

explosions for lack of a better word.

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So, um, I'm excited, you know, to

be here and kind of articulating my

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thoughts and on some of these topics

and, um, educating myself as well.

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Tony Tidbit: Well, that is great.

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And number one, I'm excited for

you, all you guys to be here.

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So now, obviously our format is we are

going to talk about a lot of topics

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that they, they're probably going to

elicit a response, a disagreement,

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which is fine, although all that

being said, we do have a, what we

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call our ground rule, but I'm going

to go over the ground rules right now.

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And then after I go through them,

I love to get a thumbs up from each

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person saying that you agree with the

ground rules and we'll get started.

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All right.

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So number one, respect all voices, right?

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At the end of the day, it's a

person, human being that you're

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seeing who's giving their opinion,

listen to their opinion, it's okay.

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Listen actively, that's

ground rule number two, right?

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Listen to understand, not to defend.

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Number three, no personal attacks.

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Alright, I know Lauren you just got

finished saying, I'm glad we can talk

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about this so things don't bubble up.

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Yeah, true.

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So no personal attacks

as a human being, right?

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Avoid interrupting, it will

get passionate, but do your

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best part not to interrupt.

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You're the person 100 percent

and then provide your feedback.

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Stay open minded.

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You walked into today's studio

thinking a certain level of

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things about your beliefs, right?

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But there's an old saying,

the mind is like an umbrella.

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It only works when it's open.

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So make sure you stay open

minded and maybe we all can

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learn something from one another.

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Speak from your own experience.

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We all have our own lived experience

just because this didn't happen to me.

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Doesn't mean that it didn't

happen to somebody else.

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Stay on topic.

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We got a ton of stuff.

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So let's don't, you know,

digress or go sideways.

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This point follow time limits limits.

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We can't have soliloquies

stuff to that nature, right?

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Make sure you stay tight, say what

you got to say, and then let somebody

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else challenge ideas, not people.

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All right, which is very important.

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You disagree with that idea, but

you're not disagreeing in person.

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And then the last one,

number 10, no buts, right?

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When we use the word, but we just

erase what that person just said.

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I love you.

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But what you're basically

saying, you don't love me.

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I see your point of view, Wayne,

but what you're really saying,

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I don't see your point of view.

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All right.

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So no, but so I need to get a

thumbs up from everybody that

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you agree with the ground rules.

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Okay.

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Now this is a safe space.

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So you guys ready to talk about it?

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Well, let's talk about it.

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All right.

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Let's talk about it.

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So let me start kick off here.

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Today is January 5th.

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Okay.

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I want you guys to rethink about this.

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Tomorrow is January six, four years

to the day that supporters of Donald

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Trump attacked the U S Capitol and

tried to halt the:

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Tomorrow, four years to the day.

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Congress will usher in a new Trump

era on Monday when it gathers the

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count of each state electoral votes

and officially declare him the

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winner of last year's, was just a few

months ago, presidential election.

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Well, I love to hear your thoughts.

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I'm gonna start with you, Lauren.

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What's your thoughts?

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Four years ago, we saw a bunch of

people run into the Capitol, attack

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it, fight the Capitol Police.

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People died.

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Every person that saw it, no

matter what political platform,

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you know, said this is abhorrent.

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This is terrible.

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He needs, he did this.

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Everybody spoke out about it, right?

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Four years later, He's being

certified for the new president.

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What's your thoughts on that?

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Lauren Burke: I mean, I'd like to say that

I'm surprised, but, uh, not necessarily.

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Um, you know, I think with the Biden

presidency, we were all hopeful, um,

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that, you know, things might move in

a direction that we all felt a little

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bit more comfortable with, right.

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But then I think, you know, here

we are and, um, you know, we

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have to deal with the reality.

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I think we all learned some lessons

based on the, the election results.

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Um, That the country maybe wasn't as

kind of progressive, maybe as we thought.

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Um, so I genuinely am, you know,

surprised, but I am, you know, always

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hopeful that we are making moves, right.

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As a, as a country, as a society.

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Um, and you have to support our president.

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Tony Tidbit: Wayne, what's your thoughts?

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Wayne Edwards: Yeah, Tony, the first thing

that I picked up on was middle America

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and looking at the electoral votes, right?

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Middle America is set in their ways, very

set in their ways and more ways than one.

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Um, but it's a clear message that middle

America is not ready for a female leader.

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Let alone a black female leader.

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So we look at the trends that's happening

on social media, F around and find out

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these next four years, we're about to

find out how this is going to unfold.

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Tony Tidbit: And Les, before I get your

response, I just wanted, you know, Lauren,

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you know, said, Hey, she's not surprised.

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You know, uh, Wayne said, Hey,

middle America, they're going to

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see exactly what they voted for.

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In other words,

paraphrasing what you said.

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Um, but just in terms of four years

ago, tomorrow, and you saw what

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happened, did you ever imagine that

four years later he would be, he'll

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be going back to the same Congress and

then re certified and then certifying.

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Him when they fought against it, right?

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There was election was stolen.

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He had a rally there.

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Okay.

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And then all these people

stormed the capital capital.

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And to be fair, if some of the

lawmakers was inside, they got out

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who knows what would have happened.

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So are you surprised that

we are where we are today?

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Les Frye: Not really.

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I feel like after the Obama administration

and what went on, the antics that

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went on, uh, in the political arena

there, we were in a decline, um,

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what I would consider to be the, the

fabric of what we are, known for in

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politics here in America, the decorum

of that has been in decline since then.

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So it doesn't surprise me that people got,

you know, a pass to storm a Capitol, um,

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after so many years that it took us to

be, you know, an established government.

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Um, and the respect of that

office has been in decline.

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And I wanted to address what Wayne said.

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I don't feel that middle

middle America is the culprit.

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Great.

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Here, I feel that it's just the

mentality of America overall.

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There are a lot of men in this country

that did not want to see a female, period.

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You know, it was, it was a double.

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Whammy that she was black, but they

don't want to see that so they either

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did not vote or they decided to vote for

Donald Trump because of his bombastic

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politics and the way that he said

something, things, um, and despite

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the fact that what this man comes out

of his mouth, they, they, you know,

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revere him because he speaks his mind.

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And that's what they see.

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They don't they don't see

what his politics are.

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They don't see what his ethics

are, but they admire the fact

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that he's able to speak his mind.

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And so this is why he was both voted in,

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Tony Tidbit: got it, got it, got it.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah,

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Wayne Edwards: the things that

he does say very broad stroke,

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Tony Tidbit: right?

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Wayne Edwards: A kind of a theory that

I have is, you know, you say these

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things, but do you actually know the

details that are involved in it, right?

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A lot of people don't ask that question.

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You say you're gonna do this stuff.

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You say you're gonna

have mass deportation.

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Oh, yeah, okay.

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The details involved in that, it's

not gonna be as easy as you think.

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Right.

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So I just wanted to add on to that.

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Like they believe what

they're, what he's saying, they

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Tony Tidbit: believe

what he, they believe,

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Wayne Edwards: but you really

need to look underneath the

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surface to see if that can really

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Lauren Burke: look to what actually got

accomplished during his four year term.

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I mean, these changes don't

happen overnight, right?

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So is it going to be possible

in another four year term?

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Les Frye: Right.

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I mean, people are easily impressed

by social media today, TikTok and

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Instagram and stuff like that.

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They don't care.

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It's just, if it shows a good

production, And that's what he did.

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Tony Tidbit: Well,

here's the thing, though.

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So, uh, unfortunately, or fortunately,

depending if you voted for him, right?

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The bottom line is a lot

of America voted for him.

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So we, uh, so, you know, and that's

something I always, I'm still trying

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to wrap my head around and figure out.

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But it wasn't just, uh, the

voters, um, that voted for

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Donald Trump that did a 180.

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Okay.

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At that same time, um, you had a

lot of companies that, you know,

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basically ripped them a new one and

said that they wouldn't back them.

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And, um, they were totally against them.

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Um, but let's, let's listen

about how they flipped for years.

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Uh, from that, I mean, four years ago,

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Fox News Commentator: Toyota joining other

major auto companies like Ford and General

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Motors and making 1 million donation to

President Elect Trump's inaugural fund.

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Wall Street Journal framed this as

saying that all the big business people

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from Silicon Valley to Wall Street and

beyond our shores are coming to kiss the

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ring, bend the knee and cut the check.

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Toyota being the latest.

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Look at the list of companies though.

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You can see from Toyota, Ford,

General Motors, but it's also

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Amazon, Meta, OpenAI, Uber,

Goldman Sachs, Bank of America.

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The list goes on and on, many of them

making million dollar or more donations.

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Why do you think that so many

business folks are coming to try and

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curry favor really is what it looks

like with President elect Trump?

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So to his question.

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Tony Tidbit: Why do you think these

companies, unless I'll kick you off

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here, why do you think these companies

did a one 80, um, in terms of now,

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as, as Walt, the wall street journal

said there, they have come into favor

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curry and they're kissing the ring.

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Les Frye: Um, we do live

in a big business society.

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So big business champions big business.

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And I believe that probably what happened

here is that they're getting some kind of

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a political payout as a result of that.

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Um, in a political payout I mean

some, you know, dispensation

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of things that they needed.

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For the fiscal year coming, you

know, um, let's say that they

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needed more production in India.

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You know, that's kind of funny saying that

considering that he wants to be everything

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here in the United States, but they're

getting something as a result of that.

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And that's what happens.

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I mean, unless you move into those worlds

or you live in those worlds, you wouldn't

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understand why they all of a sudden

kowtow and so called kiss the ring, right?

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It's big mafia business,

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Tony Tidbit: right?

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So, so.

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I want to hear your thoughts on this,

Lauren, but let's just, so four years

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ago, they said that they would never

back somebody, their values, their

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moral value was higher than that.

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Right now they're not only they're backing

them, they're kissing a ring, but they're

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putting money towards this inauguration.

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So what's your thoughts on that?

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Do you take what Les is saying

that just big business or what

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else do you agree with that?

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Or is it something else as well?

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Lauren Burke: I mean, I do think it

is business at the end of the day.

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Um, but frankly, I think

that companies are scared.

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He is a very vocal president.

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His policies are pretty radical.

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Um, especially on, you know, exporting

goods to the U S from some of these

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countries where companies like Toyota

are able to manufacture their products

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at scale, you know, inexpensively

bringing that to the U S their profit

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margins are going to take a massive hit.

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Um, You know, and preparing

for the podcast, right?

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It is pretty common for

companies to donate to, um,

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inaugural inauguration, right?

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Because these are lavish events, you know,

part of me as a taxpayer, I'm like, great.

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Like, don't use my money to buy

your Sean Don, like use, use

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the corporate dollar for that.

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But, um, You know, I think we're

seeing unprecedented levels of

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donations for this inauguration, um,

probably because they kind of want

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to, you know, hobnob with this guy

who they're a little bit afraid of.

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And, um, you know, at the end of the

day, companies do need to consider.

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How these actions impact, you know, all

of their constituents, um, and kind of

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see the big picture in the longer term

view, not just take the short, like

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view, the short term hit on the profits.

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Like, how is this going to impact your

brand's perception with younger consumers?

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care about authenticity, who, you

know, they buy from companies that

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they, that align with their values.

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Right.

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So I think, um, you know, companies

need to look at the long game, uh, when

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it comes to these kinds of decisions.

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Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

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So, so Wayne, do you, so

what I'm hearing is that.

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Fear is one of the major reasons

that they're afraid this dude is

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uncouth he may attack them or from

a dollar standpoint, you know, with

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tariffs and stuff to that nature.

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We use Toyota as Lauren Lauren said that,

you know, they're so cars worldwide global

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probably do a lot of stuff in China.

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So these issues are the reason

that they're flipping the 180.

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The question I have though, is

that Did they sell the American

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people a bill of goods here?

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What is on other words?

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These, uh, at the end of the day,

these companies words, their values

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that they say they belong to, right?

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We, you watch a commercial,

or you go to Lulu Lemon.

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When you go to any place and

they tell you about how they're

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this and that and this and that.

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Were they selling the American people

a bill of goods when it came that they

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really wasn't going to back president

Trump at that time and moving forward.

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Wayne Edwards: I mean, Tony, I, I

mean, I don't see businesses come

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coming out, no matter who the president

is coming out and saying whether

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they back this or back that or not.

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Um, but I do want to just touch upon

what Lauren was talking about before,

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in which this isn't new that companies

donate to inaugurations, right?

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And this is the part where I'm

talking about where you got to go

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beneath the surface on things, right?

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And Fox is very interesting.

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They always.

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Catch my attention with the

words that they use, right?

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Uh, quote unquote has framed this.

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The wall street journal

has framed this as well.

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It's not kiss to the, well,

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Fox News Commentator: you see

who's doing the framing, right?

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But

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Wayne Edwards: here's some

facts to throw you away.

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Okay.

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Bank of America and Uber.

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They've also donated to Biden.

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On his inauguration.

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Here's

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Tony Tidbit: the thing though.

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Just again, I want to hear your facts.

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Tony Tidbit: They didn't say.

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Four years earlier that they wasn't

going to do nothing with bod, right?

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That's the difference.

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I get it.

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That is always been something where

you got Facebook, Washington post,

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you had a bunch of companies that said

that they wasn't going to do matter

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of fact, if you even look at the

list, some of those companies didn't

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before they did it before with other

presidents, but they didn't do it.

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The year that Trump got elected

right now, all of a sudden

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they're, they're switching.

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Hold on less.

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I want him to finish this thought, but

I just wanted to add that color to that.

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Wayne Edwards: Right, right.

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Well, listen, money, right?

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Money is your biggest value, right?

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And to get that money, you

need to market to your, you

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need to market to an audience.

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Right now, if this audience now is saying.

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That this is the guy that we

want, then I got to make my money.

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Lauren Burke: I mean, I think seeing

all the red on the map, right?

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Yeah.

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On election day was

probably a little scary.

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Tony Tidbit: So that was a wake up call.

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I think

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Lauren Burke: they're like,

I, I didn't see this coming.

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Damn.

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Yeah.

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Wayne Edwards: Maybe them values.

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Wasn't okay.

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What's your thoughts?

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Les Frye: My thoughts are this as

an age old practice of all of these

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companies supporting other, you know,

political, um, uh, political people, you

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know, Obama, the, that administration

or anybody else previously like that,

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why all of a sudden now decide to

drop that information to everyone.

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This is strategic.

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It was Fox strategy to basically unveil

the fact that this stuff has been going

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on, but the way that they presented it.

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Made it sound as if everyone

was running to kowtow to This

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has been going on forever.

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Just to

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Tony Tidbit: be fair though the Fox

This was an article written in a

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Wall Street Journal and then they

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Les Frye: even even whilst even

Wall Street Journal has They

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know also they know also that

this is this is politics by play.

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This is how they've always done

it They decide it right now.

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This is why you have to be very Um,

perceptive and wise about media today,

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this practice has been going on forever.

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We are a, we are a country

that is run by big business.

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Let's, let's get this

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Wayne Edwards: clear here.

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Unless, I'm sorry to interrupt, but.

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The president elects

set the donation values,

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Les Frye: donation values.

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Exactly.

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So now here you are, you know, as

Lauren said, a lot of people play into,

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you know, the political arena because

they want their name to be out there.

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I mean, it's the way that we all

rub shoulders with one another.

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And so now they're like, all of

these companies are doing that.

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But here's the important caveat here.

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Black people are the biggest consumers.

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The LGBTQ communities are the biggest

consumers of a lot of these products.

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They have to consider this.

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Because we have such strong buying power

that even though now this has been out

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there, this is detrimental to some of

these companies to be exposed this way

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if that person or this individual, this

group of people is not aware of how this

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media is being produced to them and how

they're listening to all this stuff.

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Usually we don't care.

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But now you're revealing all of this,

but I just saw something recently where

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black people are now boycotting a business

because they're like, don't buy it.

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All we have to do is write it

on social media and no longer

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we're not buying that product.

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And now they're going to have to now

they're going to have to look at it from

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that perspective and say, okay, these

are the biggest consumers of our product.

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Uh, if it was a Nike or, uh,

let's say Target right now.

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Target, who did not fall, um,

to, to this concept of, uh,

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of obeying politics as it is.

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They're fighting against that because

they're biggest people right now.

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They just, um, they just have,

um, uh, they just introduced, um,

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clothing line by black businesses.

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They're like, uh, we're not doing that.

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And what's happening?

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Everybody's going to buy target.

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They're leaving Walmart, who

championed, you know, Donald Trump,

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and they're now going to target.

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And we have the power to do that.

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So this is just, this is just basically

how politics is played in the media.

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Tony Tidbit: Well, and, and so to that

point though, and, and Lauren talked

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about fear and stuff to that nature.

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Is, are, will there be, and you're

saying that Target and black, uh,

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Americans are starting to push back.

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Will they, will there

be a pushback, right?

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Well, people will start boycotting

Meta or Amazon, Toyota, or some of

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these kinds, or is it like, yeah,

they'll do that for the first month or

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two and then they change their mind.

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I

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Lauren Burke: mean, I think it

depends because if you look at the

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whole Amazon situation, so I think

Bezos was anti Trump in the past.

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Trump was anti Amazon and

also anti Washington post.

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And now he's done a one 80 Bezos as well.

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Right.

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And I think Amazon made a hefty

donation, but it's like, you'd be

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hard pressed to find like people that

are like, I can't do prime anymore.

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You know what I mean?

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Like that's I'm saying it's

wrapped around the world.

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It's so central to how we buy nowadays

that that would be a really big decision.

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Well, when

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Les Frye: it comes to meta

though, there is really no option.

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Let's say that it is Toyota.

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I'll just go buy a Hyundai.

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You know, there are other options for

me, but with meta, it is what it is.

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I mean, social media,

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Wayne Edwards: no young folks

are on Facebook anymore anyway.

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So, so, but, but Instagram and

WhatsApp are still scamming.

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Um, anyway, a couple of things, right?

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Look beneath the surface, right?

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Amazon, you know, according to my

notes, Obama's administration in

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2013, Amazon was a contributor.

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To the inauguration, right?

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Tony Tidbit: I'm giving

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Wayne Edwards: the fact that I'm

giving the point that don't think that

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these companies just do it to just one

political person or political party.

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They're in it for the business.

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So that, and then plus, if you really

want the list a few months after a couple

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of months after this inauguration, they

have to file Trump's folks have to file

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with the federal election commission.

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And so you'll know who exactly

donated to that inauguration.

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Tony Tidbit: Got it.

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Well, listen, so that's one thing, right?

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But four years ago, also we had

the pandemic and we also had

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the, the murder of George Floyd.

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And when the murder of George Floyd

happened, a lot of these companies said,

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Hey, We need to do something to make sure

that, uh, we diversify our ranks, right?

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We finally see that what people

of color have gone through.

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And then, so you had a whole number of

initiatives that came out, which basically

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D E I now D E I has been around for years,

but it really, Came to the forefront

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after the George Floyd, uh, murder.

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And then, so at the same time,

you had a lot of companies jump in

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and say, we're going to do this.

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We're going to do that.

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We don't believe we believe in diversity.

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They did all different types

of diversity trainings.

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They brought on a role in their

organization called the DEI, uh,

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C, uh, C suite person, right?

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And so at the end of the day, all these

things happen, but now four years later.

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Let's hear about how

those things are changing.

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CNN News Commentator: I mean, let's

not pretend that that corporate America

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doesn't have a problem with race,

doesn't have a problem with diversity.

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They do, but I think the color

they care the most about is green.

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And so the first thing that happened with

DEI was you had the George Floyd protest.

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You had a lot of pressure, both nationally

and internationally for companies to

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really commit to doing something about

what was happening with race and racism.

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And now you have the blowback from that.

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That always happens.

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Uh, we see it historically that whenever

there are advances, uh, where race

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and, and other matters of diversity

of concern, there always blow back.

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And so they're looking at the money.

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That's all they care about.

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Tony Tidbit: So as you guys heard, You

know, our esteemed colleagues said, Hey,

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they're looking at the money, right?

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He talked about how, Hey, they were

a hundred percent in, but there's

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always, and we've seen this in history.

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There's always been a blow back

when stuff has been, I don't want

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to say catered, but when things have

come up to try to even the playing

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field, it goes for a little bit.

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And then all of a sudden there's pushback.

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Let me hear your thoughts on this less.

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So DEI now, four years ago, same

thing, January 6th, four years ago.

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All right.

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And then now four years later,

everybody's trying to eradicate it.

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Right.

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It's the worst thing on the planet.

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All right.

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And so I love to hear your thoughts as,

as our friend on CNN just talked about.

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Now you got blow back and companies care

more about money than anything else.

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Les Frye: Honestly, I feel like

a lot of the blow back is because

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we are such a country of extremes.

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We don't have a middle ground here, here.

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So when George Floyd happened, everybody

was running to champion the situation,

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but it became to people who were not.

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Um, let's cook and not identify

that that it was a method of

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cramming it down our throats.

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It was so overt.

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Uh, it was just too much at 1 time.

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And so now you're seeing people

like, hey, we need to pull it back.

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We need to pull this back.

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You know, even if our country

was investing in us being

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educated at this time.

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What corporate America did was they

would, they, they built these little

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silos of diversity and inclusion so that

we could talk about these things more.

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But then they also put people that were

not of color over that conversation.

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Um, and then.

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Every five seconds, you're getting

something about, you know, D and

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I, this D and I, that I mean, even

me as a black person, I was like,

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okay, this is a little just too much.

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Um, we don't need to

discuss this portion of it.

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You know, be a little bit responsible

about the discussion here.

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So I feel like this is what has happened.

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I've actually had leaders tell me that

they're okay with pulling back D and I,

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because they just think it's too much.

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It's they're done with it.

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Most people are like, okay,

we're done with this now.

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Are we, can we move on?

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You know, it happened.

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And so can we move on?

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And quite honestly, we only see

it as something that is necessary

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when something tragic happens.

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It is not a conversation that

is being had every day, either

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subtle, subtly or whatever.

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So that we're talking

about or educating people.

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We're just getting bombarded with a

lot of DNI stuff, but no educational

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responsibility attached to it.

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Tony Tidbit: So Lauren,

what's your thoughts on that?

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Because I'm hearing what I'm hearing is

now when, when this first happened, it was

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about evening, evening the playing field.

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Okay.

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It seemed like a lot of companies

were unprepared to do that and

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these were just stop gaps that they

put in place to appease people.

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Lauren?

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Lauren Burke: Yeah.

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I mean, I think George Floyd's

death was the catalyst to a lot of

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changes, you know, generally for the

positive as it pertains to DE& I.

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I think there were kind of two, two

groups of companies, the ones that always

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cared about it to some degree, right?

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They had.

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You know, maybe internal groups

and certain roles around it.

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And then there's sort of the more

copycat companies that were like, Oh,

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Oh, everyone's talking about this now.

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I like, I better, I better do the same.

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Right.

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And I'm, and I'm sure the

intentions were positive.

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Right.

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So I think what we're seeing now is

probably that group number two, those

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companies that maybe they weren't

all in to begin with, they're kind

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of pairing it back because they're

not seeing the ROI quote unquote.

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But, um, I have strong opinions on ROI

measurement as a marketing person, right?

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I think there's a lot of ways that you

can measure the impact and it's not

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necessarily just dollars and cents, right?

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Like.

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You know, you can measure

consumer sentiment.

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:

You can look at your

audience breakdown, right?

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Have you attracted more Gen

Z and Gen Alpha consumers?

687

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Um, you know, again, people that are tend

to care more about these type of issues.

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So, um, you know, I would challenge

executives that are pairing back on these

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initiatives, like, You know, to, to think

about the general kind of good, right.

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The, the good, not only the impact as

pertains to dollars and cents, but the

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good karma that you're generating, right.

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That will impact you in the long run.

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Tony Tidbit: Right.

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Well, you know, one of the things

that the, uh, CNN comment commentator

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spoke about, he said, blow back.

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Right now, at the end of the day,

the companies didn't, there was

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:

no blow back from the company

that initiated, initiated.

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Their program, the blow back came from

the employees who felt that the, uh, the

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diverse, the people of color employees

were getting, uh, preferential treatment.

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Okay.

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:

What about me?

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You haven't done anything for me.

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:

Right?

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:

And so one of the things when he said

blow back, let's back up a little bit

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because I want to make sure we're clear.

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Okay.

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In 1962, 63, 64.

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All right, is when affirmative

action was initiated.

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Lyndon Johnson said, Hey, listen, it

makes sense for a group of people.

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You want to make even the playing field.

711

:

You they've been behind

for 300 years, right?

712

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So at the end of the day, the

only way things can be equal is

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by instituting certain programs

so that you can bring them up.

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They can have fair opportunities, not

to give them anything for free, right?

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Just fair opportunities, right?

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:

What happened?

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If you look at the history, uh,

immediately, immediately, it was attacked.

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Okay, immediately.

719

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All right.

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And then, so then there was a

blowback and then for years they

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were trying to get rid of it.

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Okay.

723

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And then, uh, last year, Supreme Court

struck it down for school admissions.

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All right.

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:

So is this note is the D.

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I.

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Attack.

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:

Is that no different

than affirmative action?

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:

Because that's what our

CNN commentator was saying.

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There's always been blow back

in history shows that Wayne,

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what's your thoughts on that?

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Wayne Edwards: Anytime there's

change that benefits the quote

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unquote minority of people, there's

always gonna be a blow back.

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which is unfortunate.

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:

Uh, I'm happy to say that I am a

professor at a university that is

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very diverse, um, not only in race,

but also in gender, uh, as well.

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Um, cramming, cramming of DEI.

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I just wanted to go back to

what was mentioned before.

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Yeah, and I look at the course

that I teach at the university,

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race, gender, class, and the media.

741

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I specifically said I do not

want this to be a requirement.

742

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It should be an elective that if

you want to learn about it, here

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:

is your choice to learn about it.

744

:

And I think, and it's my opinion, that

the blowback that we get is for people

745

:

who are like, why are we forcing this?

746

:

I have a friend that works, uh, in

Washington, um, as law enforcement.

747

:

And that was, that was

a big complaint of his.

748

:

I was like, and I was like, I

was like, listen, that's valid.

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:

That, that is your experience, right?

750

:

They're trying to force you

to learn something in which

751

:

maybe you're setting your ways.

752

:

But at least start by the

choice, give people the choice,

753

:

Tony Tidbit: right?

754

:

Les, final word on this.

755

:

Les Frye: I wanted to

actually address that too.

756

:

I think that it would probably be

a lot more received, received well,

757

:

if we weren't indoctrinated in a

type of history that we're taught.

758

:

If true history was taught, then

everybody would be getting Everybody

759

:

would be saying, I'm in for it, right?

760

:

Because then they'll

761

:

Tony Tidbit: say, Oh, I understand.

762

:

Les Frye: Yeah, I understand.

763

:

But because Uh, our history and

even now the politics of today

764

:

is getting rid of books, specific

books that tell about that history.

765

:

These are things that we're going

to always fight because America has

766

:

never dealt with the past 400 years.

767

:

We would not be in this situation.

768

:

If it wasn't for them actually

addressing the atrocities of this country

769

:

initially, not to mention, you know,

it took LBJ and it took Martin Luther

770

:

King to say, this is a problem for us.

771

:

We will always be at a

disadvantage as black people here.

772

:

I'm sorry, but this is

the, this is the case.

773

:

We don't know anything about historical

wealth or our generational wealth.

774

:

We don't know about that.

775

:

We were never put at an advantage,

no matter how many jobs you give us.

776

:

You know, what percentage of

us go into college or whatever

777

:

we have never dealt with that.

778

:

And we've been lied to about how

we were going to be able to be

779

:

put on an equal playing field of

the white people of this country.

780

:

So, what I'm saying is.

781

:

A lot of this is a form of

indoctrination where people are saying,

782

:

well, I've learned it this way and

this is how I'm going to learn it.

783

:

And they're feeling like all of

a sudden now you're cramming all

784

:

this history down their throat.

785

:

They don't want to hear it because

now they're feeling guilty about it.

786

:

You know, um, which they shouldn't.

787

:

We, we call that, you know,

the white privilege burden.

788

:

And basically, the thing is that we need

to start at a playing field where we're

789

:

being honest in this country about what

happened here, and then giving clear

790

:

advantages to people of color and people

that have come in under this influence

791

:

of racial tension here, giving them

that advantage so that they can be on

792

:

equal playing ground as everybody else.

793

:

Right?

794

:

Understand that when we succeed here

in this country of anybody that has

795

:

come from a diverse background here

is because we had to work extra hard.

796

:

Even when we get enrolled in a college,

we know that we're going for a percentage.

797

:

I stated this to you recently.

798

:

I was an NFL cheerleader and I, we

would have, uh, auditions every year.

799

:

500, 600 girls would come in there

and I was vying for four spots.

800

:

So understand that this is

something that I had to face.

801

:

So I had to make myself extra good.

802

:

Tony Tidbit: There's no question

803

:

Les Frye: extra stand out.

804

:

Lauren Burke: I, so some might, may

not know my mother is from Cuba.

805

:

So I have, you know, half

Latina, half immigrant.

806

:

And, you know, it was sort of right

into me as a child, like, you're

807

:

going to have to work harder, right?

808

:

And like, you don't have a silver

spoon, and that's okay, you know?

809

:

Tony Tidbit: Here's the thing though,

is that, back to your point about

810

:

the, uh, not learning history.

811

:

A lot of white people don't believe that.

812

:

They believe that black

people don't work hard.

813

:

They believe that black people,

they've given stuff to black people.

814

:

They, you know, I've seen a clip that

says if I see a black pilot, I hate

815

:

to say this, I hope he's qualified.

816

:

Okay, so these are the things that

people don't believe that because

817

:

they don't know the history, right?

818

:

They look at their own life and then

they don't back to our one of our ground

819

:

rules about lived experience They don't

want to learn about other people's lived.

820

:

I worked hard.

821

:

We privilege.

822

:

What are you talking about?

823

:

I came from nothing and blah

blah blah blah blah Right.

824

:

And then so then how could you, how

could I have privilege over you when

825

:

I lived in a trailer and I didn't

come up with anything and we had to

826

:

fight our way up, blah, blah, blah.

827

:

Right?

828

:

And to be fair, that person's

story is true, right?

829

:

All right.

830

:

It doesn't erase, it comes

down to race and experience.

831

:

It doesn't erase their experience.

832

:

You did have to jump over a hoop.

833

:

You did come with nothing,

but that doesn't mean that you

834

:

still don't have a privilege.

835

:

Wayne Edwards: Wayne, go ahead.

836

:

The foundation of all that is, is

through the class that I teach.

837

:

And you get that through media, right?

838

:

How do you get the point where I didn't

see no black pilot before, right?

839

:

Because we don't, we don't

normally see it on the surface

840

:

when it comes to media, right?

841

:

And so then those biases start

to formulate, and then those

842

:

biases germinate, and those

biases carry through generations.

843

:

And it takes mere generations

just to try to erase that.

844

:

of what it actually is.

845

:

Tony Tidbit: When we talk about

generations though, you know,

846

:

one of the things, um, you know,

you talked about college, we

847

:

talked about affirmative action.

848

:

Um, we discussed how last year it was

struck down from a, uh, uh, a minister,

849

:

uh, a mission standpoint at colleges.

850

:

Numbers now show that, um, Uh,

that people of color, the numbers

851

:

have decreased substantially,

okay, from a mission standpoint.

852

:

But this is the one thing

that nobody talks about.

853

:

I was just reading

854

:

Abby Phillips: a headline from

the New York Times today about a

855

:

lawsuit against a bunch of elite

schools, Georgetown, Penn, and MIT.

856

:

And guess what the preferences are?

857

:

For people whose mommies and

daddies have a lot of money.

858

:

And they just got a

ticket into the school.

859

:

I just don't get, where's

the outrage about that?

860

:

That's been going on in this

country for hundreds of years.

861

:

Where's the outrage?

862

:

Why are we only focused on race

when this is affirmative action?

863

:

Wayne Edwards: And we're

going to go to the new

864

:

Tony Tidbit: Haven green

and we're going to fight.

865

:

I'm outraged.

866

:

Just hearing that.

867

:

So, so, so, so think about that for

a second, struck down affirmative

868

:

action from an admission standpoint.

869

:

Because it's unfair that people of

color are, are, are looked at first

870

:

in terms of going into university, but

for centuries, century alum, but white

871

:

alum has been able to get their kids in

who dominate from a mission standpoint.

872

:

But that's okay.

873

:

Where is the out?

874

:

Like she said, like Abby Phillips

said, where is the outrage to that?

875

:

Let me hear

876

:

Wayne Edwards: your

877

:

Tony Tidbit: thoughts.

878

:

Wayne Edwards: The legacy admission

is there, uh, as you mentioned.

879

:

Um,

880

:

not to mention that this whole case

was brought about, not, wasn't by, by

881

:

white students, but by Asian students.

882

:

And now if I'm not mistaken, uh, I need

to, I need to check it, but those part

883

:

of that number is part of the decline.

884

:

The numbers of Asian students has

declined any shade, any shade is declined.

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891

:

Les Frye: Once again, it comes down to

educating people that come here and how

892

:

media portrays these kind of things.

893

:

Because if that Asian student was

educated on the fact that the only reason

894

:

why he is being admitted is because of

the civil rights movement, and because

895

:

of all of the things, the affirmative

action, then maybe he would be a little

896

:

bit more tolerant of seeing that.

897

:

He himself, from what I understand,

wasn't doing very well in school.

898

:

So this is why he decided to use

this as a case model for why you

899

:

Tony Tidbit: think when you think that

somebody pitted him to do That I don't

900

:

think he just came up off his nose.

901

:

It was

902

:

Wayne Edwards: a perfect

opportunity Opportunity for

903

:

conservatives to jump onto it.

904

:

Yeah,

905

:

Tony Tidbit: somebody told him to

do I don't think he might have been

906

:

Les Frye: coached to say that, but

you know, here's the thing, how we are

907

:

portrayed, uh, you know, uh, to the

community, um, how we are pitted against

908

:

each other racially is something that has

always been the case here in this country.

909

:

And so, you know, um, I just watched

an article, I watched a, um, A clip the

910

:

other day where an Asian gentleman who

is an educator was talking about the

911

:

fact that if we united, uh, as people

of color, what, what could we do in

912

:

this country because unified is the fact

that we share the same type of issues.

913

:

We are still trying to struggle against.

914

:

A community that doesn't want us

to succeed, and what it has done

915

:

is this against each other to say

that you are a model minority.

916

:

As an Asian person, and so you're

better than the black people or the

917

:

Hispanic people of this country, when

in all reality, it was black people that

918

:

fought for you to have those rights.

919

:

And it was black people who are

always going to be in the same

920

:

position as you are in when the day

is ended, because now I don't see

921

:

that many Asian faces and leadership.

922

:

You know, I don't see many of you there,

so you have to look at this and you have

923

:

to say, don't listen to the, the, the, the

media or what this country is saying about

924

:

the racial situation here in America.

925

:

Look for at yourself, look,

open your eyes and see.

926

:

You know, know your own history as an

Asian individual here about how you

927

:

were treated when you came over here,

928

:

Tony Tidbit: right?

929

:

You know, you know right now we're in

a um, I can't we have a lot of issues.

930

:

Okay, you know You know, we

talked about the inauguration.

931

:

We talked about the rollback of DEI But

there's so many things that's going on

932

:

right now that we're struggling with right

And one of them has to do with healthcare.

933

:

CBS News Commentator: In Florida, a woman

has been charged with threatening her

934

:

health insurance provider during a phone

conversation that took place on Tuesday.

935

:

She allegedly uttered the same words

that police say were found on the bullet

936

:

casings used in Thompson's killing.

937

:

Delay, deny, and possibly depose.

938

:

Tony Tidbit: So, as you guys know,

you know, a few weeks ago, um,

939

:

Brian Thompson, who's the CEO of

UnitedHealthcare, was assassinated in

940

:

New York City going to a conference.

941

:

Thanks And since that time frame,

there's been a ton of when we

942

:

talk about blowback, right?

943

:

A ton of blowback against

the healthcare, uh, industry.

944

:

To the point where there's people

who don't even have empathy.

945

:

But Brian Thompson and his family and

his kids, because they feel that he

946

:

ran an organization that actually ended

up killing a lot of people because

947

:

they denied a lot of health claims.

948

:

So as you hear in this clip, you know,

a woman's in, uh, uh, and, and, uh, last

949

:

week is basically threatening somebody

and then use the same words that the,

950

:

the perpetrator, uh, the, the words that

supposedly he put on the bullets denied

951

:

the polls and whatever the case may be.

952

:

So just real quick, Lauren, what's your

thoughts on somebody being murdered?

953

:

And at the same time, understanding that

the, the company that he was leading.

954

:

Um, was in an industry that is deplorable.

955

:

Let's be fair.

956

:

Let's call it like what it is.

957

:

Right.

958

:

However, at the same time, what's your

thoughts on the, the citizens now, uh,

959

:

saying that the murderer, Louie, Luigi,

whatever his last name, Luigi Mangione,

960

:

Luigi Mangione, all right, is a hero.

961

:

Lauren Burke: So I think

people are outraged.

962

:

Right.

963

:

And I think.

964

:

You know, we have maybe spoken out over

the last years a little bit more about

965

:

certain issues that have played the

country for years, you know, the whole

966

:

George Floyd situation among others.

967

:

Right?

968

:

So people are outraged

about a lot of things.

969

:

Um, I think, you know, Luigi

just took it to an extreme.

970

:

That's, you know, frankly,

not acceptable, right?

971

:

Um, you know, it is an atrocity

taking a life of somebody.

972

:

Um, but I do think that

it's an example of.

973

:

People just being, you know, increasingly

frustrated with corporate America and kind

974

:

of the fabric of our society being for

profit, for profit, for profit, right?

975

:

So I think there's a lot of,

uh, there's many ways that he

976

:

could have handled it that didn't

involve murder, and he probably

977

:

should have pursued those avenues.

978

:

And I hope that people that do feel

as outraged as him realize that

979

:

there are resources available to work

through some of this stuff, right?

980

:

But I hope that The action did

bring to, you know, somebody's

981

:

attention over there and health,

health care, corporate America.

982

:

That's something has to change.

983

:

Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

984

:

Yeah.

985

:

So I don't think that's

really, uh, happened thus far.

986

:

Um, when you talk about something has to

change, I think our leaders right now.

987

:

Are still kicking the can down the road.

988

:

CBS News Commentator: So in this op ed

that witty wrote, uh, He said we know

989

:

the health care system doesn't work

as well as it should we understand

990

:

people's frustrations with it Our

mission is to help make it work better.

991

:

What is being done?

992

:

CNN News Commentator: Well, you know,

this is really on policy makers Um,

993

:

there's been this fight over years

about whether to address coverage

994

:

or whether to address address cost

how to address costs Republicans

995

:

mostly want more price transparency

Democrats want Mostly more coverage.

996

:

Neither side has really been willing to

do what it takes to bring costs down.

997

:

And every time they try to, the people who

make money off the healthcare industry,

998

:

which is now 17 percent of the nation's

GDP, all yell and scream and complain.

999

:

Um, so nothing really has been,

has happened for many years now.

:

00:52:14,685 --> 00:52:15,545

Wayne Edwards: And nor will it change.

:

00:52:16,295 --> 00:52:20,315

I mean, Wall Street Journal's reporting

that UnitedHealthcare revenue through

:

00:52:20,315 --> 00:52:26,765

September It was record breaking

just under 300 billion of revenue.

:

00:52:27,415 --> 00:52:31,145

So the, as long as you're raking in that

kind of money, things are going to change.

:

00:52:31,595 --> 00:52:34,605

Lauren Burke: But do you think

seeing, you know, appear right.

:

00:52:34,605 --> 00:52:38,345

The leaders of some of these companies

seeing that happened to appear like,

:

00:52:39,185 --> 00:52:40,574

it's scary, you know what I mean?

:

00:52:40,574 --> 00:52:40,824

Right.

:

00:52:40,824 --> 00:52:45,185

So if it were me and I'm not a healthcare

CEO, I would want to know what's

:

00:52:45,185 --> 00:52:49,425

happening at the lower levels, the

lower echelons of the company, right?

:

00:52:49,454 --> 00:52:49,774

Like.

:

00:52:51,050 --> 00:52:54,850

I, I don't know that anyone is actually

taking that action after this, but so

:

00:52:55,390 --> 00:52:57,880

Tony Tidbit: his job though, and

the CEO's job is to make money,

:

00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:58,900

Lauren Burke: right?

:

00:52:58,970 --> 00:52:59,369

They don't care.

:

00:52:59,370 --> 00:52:59,560

I

:

00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,569

Tony Tidbit: mean, let's

just be fair here, right?

:

00:53:01,859 --> 00:53:03,980

At the end of the day,

his job is to make money.

:

00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:05,520

Whoever's leading the company.

:

00:53:05,729 --> 00:53:06,919

So they're going to cut.

:

00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,519

They're going to do whatever they need

to do because they got shareholders.

:

00:53:10,735 --> 00:53:14,085

That they need to, they need

to answer to me when they make

:

00:53:14,085 --> 00:53:17,265

money, when they make money for

the shareholders, they make money.

:

00:53:17,275 --> 00:53:20,225

That's why their, their packages

are dividends, 20 million.

:

00:53:20,955 --> 00:53:24,465

So you have a chicken and egg

thing here in an industry, which.

:

00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:28,800

And I hope you guys didn't miss

the big number here, which is 17

:

00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,220

percent of our gross domestic.

:

00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:35,230

So think about the, so if our, I

don't even know what our total gross

:

00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:39,230

to me, a hundred trillion or whatever

it is, maybe it's more than that, but

:

00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:43,230

17 percent is going to healthcare.

:

00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:49,020

When we've tried over, we've, we, it makes

no sense that this country supposed to

:

00:53:49,020 --> 00:53:49,890

be the greatest country on the planet.

:

00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:56,310

Can not come up with a plan to have

health care for their citizens.

:

00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,000

They always talk about immigration.

:

00:53:58,180 --> 00:54:01,169

They always talk about they're coming

over here to take this, whatever

:

00:54:01,169 --> 00:54:05,009

the case may be, but we can't come

up with a plan for health care and

:

00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:08,119

it's the 17 percent of our GDP?

:

00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:09,189

Les, immediate thoughts.

:

00:54:11,779 --> 00:54:17,099

Les Frye: So I'm going to, you know,

I appreciate my, my, you know, co

:

00:54:17,099 --> 00:54:20,820

hosts, their opinion about all this,

but I'm going to kind of, as somebody

:

00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:24,595

who worked in the health care system,

I'm going to kind of explain it here.

:

00:54:25,075 --> 00:54:28,005

We will never get rid of this

healthcare system because we are

:

00:54:28,005 --> 00:54:29,945

afraid of socialized medicine.

:

00:54:30,515 --> 00:54:34,315

We are afraid of, we are afraid of

these kinds of things that would

:

00:54:34,324 --> 00:54:35,865

bring healthcare to everybody.

:

00:54:36,154 --> 00:54:41,565

This business of 17 percent of

our GDP is never going to end.

:

00:54:41,764 --> 00:54:45,115

And so this is why you're going

to always find this fighting.

:

00:54:45,485 --> 00:54:47,765

And as far as the case

of, hold on, before you go

:

00:54:47,765 --> 00:54:49,645

Tony Tidbit: to Luigi, I just

want to ask you a question, right?

:

00:54:51,260 --> 00:54:53,790

You just got finished saying

that we'll never get rid of it.

:

00:54:54,020 --> 00:54:54,299

Les Frye: Nope.

:

00:54:54,350 --> 00:54:54,930

Tony Tidbit: Right?

:

00:54:55,049 --> 00:54:57,230

And because of socialized medicine.

:

00:54:57,669 --> 00:54:57,959

Right?

:

00:54:57,959 --> 00:55:01,339

Because people don't want, they don't

want, but hold on let me ask you this

:

00:55:01,339 --> 00:55:02,479

question then I'll let you finish.

:

00:55:02,479 --> 00:55:02,789

Right?

:

00:55:03,434 --> 00:55:05,474

You just got finished talking

about both of you guys got finished

:

00:55:05,474 --> 00:55:07,204

talking about, um, history.

:

00:55:07,204 --> 00:55:10,874

People don't know, they don't know our

history, don't know anything, right?

:

00:55:11,074 --> 00:55:14,624

When it comes to socialism,

what do people know?

:

00:55:15,224 --> 00:55:18,064

Except what people have

put in their minds.

:

00:55:18,084 --> 00:55:18,724

Exactly.

:

00:55:18,824 --> 00:55:20,704

In terms of what socialism is.

:

00:55:20,944 --> 00:55:23,644

And these people have never

been out of the state lines.

:

00:55:23,644 --> 00:55:24,084

Yes.

:

00:55:24,134 --> 00:55:28,394

Alright, but somebody's telling

them that you don't want socialism.

:

00:55:28,674 --> 00:55:31,304

The other countries are horrible, right?

:

00:55:31,364 --> 00:55:32,394

But here in the U.

:

00:55:32,394 --> 00:55:32,744

S.

:

00:55:33,044 --> 00:55:38,184

Which makes no sense, but I got

to say, it's one thing to so and

:

00:55:38,184 --> 00:55:40,544

and and and the thing about it is.

:

00:55:41,459 --> 00:55:47,089

For a lot of, we have socialism,

socialistic programs, social

:

00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:50,839

security, that's socialism,

Medicare, that's socialism.

:

00:55:51,089 --> 00:55:55,699

If I told somebody right now that we would

get rid of, uh, social security, but so

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00:55:55,949 --> 00:55:57,499

they'll be like, Oh, you can't do that.

:

00:55:58,019 --> 00:55:58,539

I just had

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00:55:58,540 --> 00:56:00,049

Lauren Burke: this conversation

with someone a couple of weeks

:

00:56:00,049 --> 00:56:05,549

Tony Tidbit: ago, but my point is

they don't know what socialism is.

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00:56:05,759 --> 00:56:09,169

And so you're pushing back

and saying that we can't have.

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00:56:09,484 --> 00:56:12,394

Uh, free health care because

of socialism, but they don't

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00:56:12,394 --> 00:56:13,874

have an idea of what that is.

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00:56:13,875 --> 00:56:14,449

Go

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00:56:14,449 --> 00:56:15,024

Lauren Burke: ahead.

:

00:56:15,024 --> 00:56:16,744

I'm sorry, I was going to say,

I think people kind of equate

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00:56:16,744 --> 00:56:17,954

socialism with communism.

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00:56:17,964 --> 00:56:20,284

That's exactly what it is.

:

00:56:20,284 --> 00:56:21,514

But they're not the same.

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00:56:21,514 --> 00:56:21,874

They're not

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00:56:21,874 --> 00:56:22,494

Les Frye: the same.

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00:56:22,554 --> 00:56:23,414

They're not the same.

:

00:56:23,684 --> 00:56:27,454

So as someone who's traveled outside

of this country, I've seen socialized

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00:56:27,454 --> 00:56:30,394

medicine work in Europe, in Mexico.

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00:56:30,404 --> 00:56:31,034

Flat out.

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00:56:31,074 --> 00:56:31,504

Canada.

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00:56:31,505 --> 00:56:33,244

Yes.

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00:56:33,534 --> 00:56:35,274

And it is not the same thing.

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00:56:35,474 --> 00:56:37,194

People are taken care of.

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00:56:37,364 --> 00:56:42,344

And no matter what you hear on this

side of the, of the, of the ocean,

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00:56:42,764 --> 00:56:45,234

the thing is that it is working there.

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00:56:45,504 --> 00:56:46,954

And people are taken care of.

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00:56:46,954 --> 00:56:48,974

They're taken care of when

they're in their old age.

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00:56:48,974 --> 00:56:51,194

They're, they're, you know, they

don't have to worry about it.

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00:56:51,194 --> 00:56:51,824

Now, yes.

:

00:56:52,644 --> 00:56:56,844

You do have to stand on a line to keep

me seen, but isn't that what we do now?

:

00:56:57,044 --> 00:56:59,384

Because I'm waiting three or

four months to see a doctor now.

:

00:56:59,384 --> 00:57:00,164

I try to get an eye

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00:57:00,204 --> 00:57:01,114

Tony Tidbit: doctor appointment.

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00:57:01,344 --> 00:57:01,794

All right.

:

00:57:01,984 --> 00:57:02,874

I can't go see him.

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00:57:02,884 --> 00:57:03,924

I called the other day.

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00:57:04,074 --> 00:57:05,994

I can't go see him to March 12th.

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00:57:06,314 --> 00:57:06,774

All right.

:

00:57:06,804 --> 00:57:07,724

So it happens.

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00:57:07,764 --> 00:57:08,454

It happens.

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00:57:08,494 --> 00:57:09,514

I did live in

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00:57:09,514 --> 00:57:13,694

Lauren Burke: Europe for a time and

there are certain, like, there are a

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00:57:13,694 --> 00:57:15,634

lot of pluses to it and everyone has it.

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00:57:15,684 --> 00:57:15,934

Right?

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00:57:15,934 --> 00:57:16,574

So it's there.

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00:57:16,574 --> 00:57:18,574

There are definitely drawbacks, right?

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00:57:18,575 --> 00:57:21,114

Like, I think I was like,

Oh, I need to get a checkup.

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00:57:21,114 --> 00:57:22,484

I haven't had a checkup in a year.

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00:57:22,484 --> 00:57:23,454

And they're like, you're calling me.

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00:57:23,454 --> 00:57:25,084

Why do you know what I mean?

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00:57:25,084 --> 00:57:26,374

There's, there's nothing wrong with you.

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00:57:26,604 --> 00:57:28,024

No, you don't need to come to the doctor.

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00:57:28,044 --> 00:57:28,334

Right.

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00:57:28,334 --> 00:57:33,794

So I feel like the preventative care

that we have in our system is a positive.

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00:57:33,794 --> 00:57:34,084

Right.

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00:57:34,084 --> 00:57:40,504

But the fact that people can't afford

basic, basic health care is a huge.

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00:57:40,839 --> 00:57:41,179

Problem.

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00:57:41,199 --> 00:57:45,449

Les Frye: Yeah, my sister who is a nurse

practitioner told me that a gentleman

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00:57:45,459 --> 00:57:50,569

who had an arterial and Thrombosis in

his leg and he lives in a very rural

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00:57:50,989 --> 00:57:55,649

community of Arkansas had to go all

the way to Mississippi to get treated

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00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:57,669

And this is what I'm talking about.

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00:57:58,329 --> 00:58:01,179

As long as you can afford

health care, then you're fine.

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00:58:01,189 --> 00:58:04,059

And we all are privileged to

have health care, thank God.

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00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:07,289

But the problem is that this is

who it's supposed to support.

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00:58:07,489 --> 00:58:11,469

And policies can be written in where,

where socialized medicine is concerned

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00:58:11,479 --> 00:58:12,879

that you have a yearly checkup.

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00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:15,459

These are all things that can be policy.

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00:58:16,084 --> 00:58:17,964

A place put in place for policy.

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00:58:17,984 --> 00:58:18,404

Tony Tidbit: Correct.

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00:58:18,434 --> 00:58:19,114

You can do all that.

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00:58:19,224 --> 00:58:20,194

You can do all of that.

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00:58:20,454 --> 00:58:23,054

Les Frye: So the thing is, because

we're not taught about that.

:

00:58:23,084 --> 00:58:27,004

And because most Americans don't Americans

don't travel outside of the United States

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00:58:27,014 --> 00:58:31,404

to see how the other half lives that

we're listening to this to the trash.

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00:58:31,739 --> 00:58:34,939

That we're receiving from the media

companies, and this is what's happening.

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00:58:35,019 --> 00:58:35,199

Hold

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00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:35,539

Tony Tidbit: on a second.

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00:58:35,539 --> 00:58:36,769

It's not just the media companies.

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00:58:36,769 --> 00:58:37,009

All right.

:

00:58:37,019 --> 00:58:39,569

Well, it's just everything

is big business.

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00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:40,739

You just the bottom line.

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00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:44,979

They don't want you to want that because

then it takes money out of their pocket.

:

00:58:45,259 --> 00:58:47,229

But that's where the information comes

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00:58:47,229 --> 00:58:47,349

Les Frye: in.

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00:58:47,379 --> 00:58:50,249

The information that you

are seeing is via media.

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00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:52,339

It be it advertising or whatever.

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00:58:52,399 --> 00:58:53,609

That is what you're seeing.

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00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:57,419

You know, somebody can be a talking

head in politics or, you know, the

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00:58:57,419 --> 00:58:59,099

congressional floor talking about it.

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00:58:59,100 --> 00:58:59,334

Yeah.

:

00:58:59,334 --> 00:59:04,054

But the thing is, it's what you are

seeing and what you are consuming.

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00:59:04,574 --> 00:59:07,584

You know, when you see something like

we have the best healthcare policy

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00:59:07,584 --> 00:59:11,824

here, you know, do this, all these

wonderful heartfelt commercials that

:

00:59:11,824 --> 00:59:16,554

you're seeing are also that you will

buy into this image of why it is so

:

00:59:16,555 --> 00:59:18,834

good to pay into an insurance company.

:

00:59:19,394 --> 00:59:25,334

Um, I wanted to address also the

idea of Luigi Mangione killing the

:

00:59:25,754 --> 00:59:29,354

CEO of UnitedHealthcare and I'm

sorry, I'm not, you know, I'm maybe

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00:59:29,354 --> 00:59:30,394

not supposed to say that word.

:

00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:36,650

I am a huge, uh, it might sound

like I'm crazy, but I believe

:

00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:38,130

that you need to look deeper.

:

00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,560

Uh, at the risk of saying I'm a

conspiracy theorist, I think it's very

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00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,740

strange that this young man, the way

that he looks, the way that he was

:

00:59:45,740 --> 00:59:49,780

captured, I mean, there are people

that have done atrocities to anyone.

:

00:59:49,780 --> 00:59:51,440

We haven't even found these people.

:

00:59:51,620 --> 00:59:54,200

So why is it was so easy

to find this person?

:

00:59:54,410 --> 00:59:57,470

This is such a wag the

dog thing right now.

:

00:59:57,780 --> 01:00:00,569

You know, you have to look and

say, what are we looking at?

:

01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:05,190

Um, and the news and what are is being

hidden while we're looking at this.

:

01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:05,520

So,

:

01:00:05,530 --> 01:00:07,830

Tony Tidbit: so just so I'm

clear here, I just wanna make

:

01:00:07,830 --> 01:00:09,700

sure I'm clear what I'm hearing.

:

01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:12,940

Is that, did somebody

put him up to do this?

:

01:00:12,980 --> 01:00:14,230

Oh, absolutely.

:

01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:15,640

He looks too good.

:

01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,710

So he's a, he's an Oswald.

:

01:00:17,770 --> 01:00:19,110

He's a, he's a Patsy.

:

01:00:21,249 --> 01:00:23,889

Les Frye: Listen, listen, and they're

getting really good at it too.

:

01:00:23,890 --> 01:00:27,520

Cause some of these guys are, are

a certain look, you know, like

:

01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,440

what foolish man would pull down

his mask to talk to somebody?

:

01:00:31,450 --> 01:00:32,400

Y'all come on.

:

01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:34,360

I couldn't have written

a better script here.

:

01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,250

You know, my writing

skills are much better.

:

01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:38,500

Possible.

:

01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:39,879

Wayne Edwards: I got a lot of thoughts on.

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01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:45,030

I mean, listen, there's some sometimes,

all right, here's an example.

:

01:00:46,380 --> 01:00:48,120

The Ethan crumbly kid.

:

01:00:48,580 --> 01:00:49,160

Remember Mr.

:

01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:50,130

Member crumbly.

:

01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:50,399

Yeah.

:

01:00:50,399 --> 01:00:51,109

Michigan, right.

:

01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:52,719

Michigan shot parents.

:

01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:52,900

Right.

:

01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:57,690

When the media ran that story, what

were the pictures that we saw of Ethan?

:

01:00:57,990 --> 01:01:02,040

My man praying, innocent looking, right.

:

01:01:02,340 --> 01:01:07,070

Until someone re and it was

years ago until the media

:

01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:09,480

finally started showing pictures.

:

01:01:10,385 --> 01:01:15,835

Of this guy as a high schooler

totally changed, right?

:

01:01:16,375 --> 01:01:18,275

So it could be anybody, right?

:

01:01:18,335 --> 01:01:24,245

Luigi, Luigi is an anomaly because it's,

it's a person that you don't expect,

:

01:01:25,215 --> 01:01:26,404

Les Frye: but that's

a commitment to crime.

:

01:01:26,425 --> 01:01:27,575

That's my point.

:

01:01:28,074 --> 01:01:28,654

That's my point.

:

01:01:28,945 --> 01:01:33,605

There has not been any history of

this guy and he comes out of nowhere.

:

01:01:33,785 --> 01:01:35,865

Same with the person that shot at Trump.

:

01:01:36,335 --> 01:01:37,495

No history.

:

01:01:37,915 --> 01:01:43,755

No decline in his family structure,

things that would promote the image

:

01:01:43,815 --> 01:01:45,465

of this person that we're seeing.

:

01:01:45,585 --> 01:01:46,375

So what does that tell

:

01:01:46,375 --> 01:01:47,855

Wayne Edwards: us about our society now?

:

01:01:48,655 --> 01:01:49,575

What does that say?

:

01:01:49,634 --> 01:01:52,185

Like, I don't know, it's just an

arbitrary question out there, right?

:

01:01:52,185 --> 01:01:52,284

Secret cell

:

01:01:52,285 --> 01:01:56,895

Les Frye: individuals, because I can

guarantee you that, uh, I don't hear

:

01:01:56,895 --> 01:01:59,555

about him being put in a modern prison.

:

01:02:00,465 --> 01:02:01,575

Like, where did he go?

:

01:02:03,155 --> 01:02:04,865

Where is he incarcerated right now?

:

01:02:04,995 --> 01:02:05,305

He's

:

01:02:05,305 --> 01:02:08,305

Wayne Edwards: in, he's in New York

in which one of the news outlets were

:

01:02:08,425 --> 01:02:14,035

stationed or outside of the prison

and the prison had the station on.

:

01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:17,260

In the prison and they

would ask questions.

:

01:02:17,310 --> 01:02:19,820

The reporter is like,

is Luigi being treated?

:

01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:24,819

Well, you can hear the crowd, you

can hear the prison in the background

:

01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:27,100

answering those questions, which

I thought was very strange, but

:

01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:28,400

that that's neither here nor there.

:

01:02:28,450 --> 01:02:28,800

Yeah.

:

01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:29,266

He's

:

01:02:29,266 --> 01:02:31,220

Les Frye: not in modern population.

:

01:02:31,229 --> 01:02:31,740

I can guarantee

:

01:02:32,479 --> 01:02:36,311

Tony Tidbit: he would be, uh,

yeah, he has to be sequestered.

:

01:02:36,311 --> 01:02:38,940

He would be in a dangerous situation.

:

01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,910

I just feel it's a very strange you all.

:

01:02:40,955 --> 01:02:43,545

So what, what I think is

strange though, and we talked

:

01:02:43,545 --> 01:02:45,735

about history earlier, right?

:

01:02:45,735 --> 01:02:48,965

And one of the things that Trump

got elected on was immigration.

:

01:02:49,555 --> 01:02:53,274

And then obviously he spoke

about immigration, uh, over

:

01:02:53,274 --> 01:02:54,035

the last couple of weeks.

:

01:02:54,035 --> 01:02:58,045

And one of the things that he's talking

about doing is getting rid of the

:

01:02:58,055 --> 01:03:04,315

birthright citizenship, um, um, uh, act,

which is part of the 14th amendment.

:

01:03:04,435 --> 01:03:04,795

Okay.

:

01:03:04,795 --> 01:03:07,795

Which going back to what you said

earlier is people can promise

:

01:03:07,805 --> 01:03:09,145

things, but can he actually do it?

:

01:03:09,145 --> 01:03:09,945

But on that net.

:

01:03:10,545 --> 01:03:13,635

Um, one of the things that people

have been talking about because of

:

01:03:13,635 --> 01:03:17,855

you, you know, most people don't

even know what the 14th amendment is.

:

01:03:18,255 --> 01:03:21,625

They don't know anything about the

birthright citizenship and all the

:

01:03:21,635 --> 01:03:23,285

things that come with the 14th amendment.

:

01:03:23,425 --> 01:03:27,265

So let's, as we move forward, let's play

this last clip or this last segment.

:

01:03:27,685 --> 01:03:28,855

The 14th amendment

:

01:03:28,925 --> 01:03:31,575

Fox News Commentator: officially

becomes a part of the constitution.

:

01:03:35,775 --> 01:03:40,445

Amend Commentator: If you are born here,

you are born with all of the liberties.

:

01:03:41,845 --> 01:03:47,205

And the protections of us citizenship

that overturns the Dred Scott

:

01:03:47,215 --> 01:03:50,105

decision, which said that black

people could not be citizens no matter

:

01:03:50,105 --> 01:03:52,775

where they were born, even though

they've been here for generations.

:

01:03:53,875 --> 01:03:57,044

Tony Tidbit: So as we, as I stated

earlier, most people don't know

:

01:03:57,044 --> 01:03:58,663

anything about the 14th amendment.

:

01:03:58,775 --> 01:04:01,104

It was, it was enacted in:

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01:04:01,585 --> 01:04:02,225

Okay.

:

01:04:02,275 --> 01:04:07,965

And one of the main reasons I think it was

John Bonham, who, who was the Congressman

:

01:04:07,965 --> 01:04:09,905

that was the writer of the law.

:

01:04:10,425 --> 01:04:11,065

Of the amendment.

:

01:04:11,145 --> 01:04:17,285

One of the main reasons that, uh, it

was enacted is because you had four

:

01:04:17,285 --> 01:04:23,084

million black slave people who are

now free, who could not be citizens.

:

01:04:23,885 --> 01:04:26,494

Matter of fact, you just heard in the

clip when he talked about the Dred

:

01:04:26,505 --> 01:04:29,404

Scott decision, Dred Scott was a slave.

:

01:04:30,335 --> 01:04:34,925

Okay, who sued the United States

and said that he should be free.

:

01:04:35,535 --> 01:04:36,285

Okay.

:

01:04:36,385 --> 01:04:38,104

And it went all the way

to the Supreme Court.

:

01:04:38,650 --> 01:04:43,010

And the Supreme Court struck it

down and said, he's not a citizen.

:

01:04:43,420 --> 01:04:47,659

So these rights that under the

Constitution doesn't apply to

:

01:04:47,660 --> 01:04:50,250

him because he's not a citizen.

:

01:04:51,210 --> 01:04:54,950

Thus, that's where the

14th Amendment came out of.

:

01:04:55,350 --> 01:05:00,840

To ensure that people who are

born here, Our citizens of the

:

01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,730

United States, so long question.

:

01:05:02,730 --> 01:05:05,660

I want to ask you real quickly based

on Trump saying he's going to get

:

01:05:05,660 --> 01:05:10,710

rid of it because he feels, uh,

the people who are coming over our

:

01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:16,010

border, they're manipulating the laws

by having babies here, and then they

:

01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,040

automatically become citizenship.

:

01:05:18,260 --> 01:05:19,899

So we eliminate that.

:

01:05:20,279 --> 01:05:23,990

Then this way, we ain't got to

worry about them being here.

:

01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,310

We don't have to worry about

separating their families.

:

01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:29,689

We can just send them back and

then we could be done with them.

:

01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:30,579

What's your thoughts on that?

:

01:05:31,140 --> 01:05:33,950

Lauren Burke: I mean, I think

it's totally on brand for him.

:

01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:40,090

I think it makes his, you know, his

supporters, like, really amped up because

:

01:05:40,090 --> 01:05:44,150

it's like a concrete action that he can

supposedly take against immigration.

:

01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,740

Now, to what you're saying very

early on, I don't think that this is

:

01:05:47,740 --> 01:05:49,589

gonna be easy for him to accomplish.

:

01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:49,819

Right?

:

01:05:49,820 --> 01:05:53,640

So I don't know that we'll

see this one actually happen.

:

01:05:53,650 --> 01:05:57,430

But, you know, just the thought

of it, I think, is really,

:

01:05:57,430 --> 01:06:00,515

you know, It's unfair, right?

:

01:06:00,535 --> 01:06:04,815

Like you're, you're, you're punishing

these kids potentially, um, for an action

:

01:06:04,825 --> 01:06:08,485

that their parents took, you know, trying

to give them a better, better life.

:

01:06:08,515 --> 01:06:08,865

Right.

:

01:06:08,904 --> 01:06:11,005

Um, you know, I think there are a lot of.

:

01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:13,560

Averse implications to it.

:

01:06:13,610 --> 01:06:14,100

Wayne Edwards: Got it.

:

01:06:14,170 --> 01:06:14,570

Wayne.

:

01:06:16,130 --> 01:06:17,220

Yeah, you got to look deeper.

:

01:06:17,260 --> 01:06:18,830

You got to look deep into this, right?

:

01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:21,020

So the 14th amendment born here

:

01:06:23,070 --> 01:06:24,380

I mean I am on ancestry.

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01:06:24,700 --> 01:06:28,420

com my friends trying to find another

country so that my kids if I know

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01:06:28,420 --> 01:06:32,609

that we have a Connection with another

country they can play for that national

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01:06:32,610 --> 01:06:37,252

team in soccer But anyway besides the

point but in a more serious thing We

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01:06:37,252 --> 01:06:39,944

need to we need to look at the common

sense about what he is saying what

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01:06:39,944 --> 01:06:41,290

donald is saying You need to ratify an

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01:06:44,029 --> 01:06:45,770

amendment First of all, right.

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01:06:45,770 --> 01:06:48,390

And that's three fourths of the

state that you need to do that with.

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01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:55,590

Um, the 14th amendment is also

talking about his, first of all,

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01:06:55,590 --> 01:06:56,880

let me go back his campaign.

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01:06:57,605 --> 01:07:03,165

Any baby born would need to have at

least one parent be a citizen or lawful

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permanent resident Okay, that's what

his campaign is saying Uh for that

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01:07:08,935 --> 01:07:12,875

then I looked at the 14th amendment

and I see the word natural lot,

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01:07:13,435 --> 01:07:13,745

Tony Tidbit: right?

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01:07:13,845 --> 01:07:17,525

Wayne Edwards: And I think here's

where he may have a little bit of

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01:07:17,525 --> 01:07:19,955

wiggle room here You need to be 18.

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01:07:20,105 --> 01:07:23,775

You need to be lawful permanent resident

for five years If you're married three

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01:07:23,775 --> 01:07:30,095

years, you need to read write speak

basic english You Asterix there, right?

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01:07:30,445 --> 01:07:31,565

You need to understand U.

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01:07:31,565 --> 01:07:31,725

S.

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01:07:31,725 --> 01:07:32,855

history and government.

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01:07:34,665 --> 01:07:38,985

Now listen, if you're going to quiz

part of this nation of citizens,

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01:07:39,504 --> 01:07:40,565

how many are going to pass that?

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01:07:41,265 --> 01:07:41,874

Tony Tidbit: Here's the thing though.

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01:07:42,170 --> 01:07:44,014

Wayne Edwards: But let me

just say one more thing.

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Good moral character, right?

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01:07:46,274 --> 01:07:47,555

To be naturalized.

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01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:49,250

As a citizen,

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Tony Tidbit: this is not happening, folks.

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01:07:52,790 --> 01:07:54,440

Yeah, so number one, it's not happening.

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01:07:54,450 --> 01:07:55,279

It ain't gonna happen.

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That's why it's an amendment.

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01:07:56,740 --> 01:07:57,020

Right.

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01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:57,270

Okay?

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01:07:57,330 --> 01:08:00,200

If this was like a regular law or

something, you can overturn law.

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01:08:00,309 --> 01:08:00,659

Right.

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01:08:00,710 --> 01:08:00,970

Okay?

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01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:01,750

It's an amendment.

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01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:02,060

Right.

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01:08:02,170 --> 01:08:02,460

Okay?

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01:08:02,460 --> 01:08:04,450

So you can't just overturn it.

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01:08:04,450 --> 01:08:05,279

You can't just overturn it.

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01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:08,279

I know you read the description,

but think about it for a second.

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01:08:08,620 --> 01:08:11,270

Somebody's born and they

got to take a history test.

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01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:12,060

Okay.

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01:08:12,060 --> 01:08:13,529

At two months old.

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01:08:13,580 --> 01:08:14,550

That makes no sense.

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01:08:16,850 --> 01:08:19,069

Wayne Edwards: Well, no, but

it's, it's 18 to be natural.

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01:08:19,470 --> 01:08:20,709

It's part of the criteria when

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01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:24,564

Tony Tidbit: you're born, if you're

born, you're born, you're a US citizen.

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01:08:24,564 --> 01:08:25,384

Yeah.

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01:08:25,385 --> 01:08:25,795

Okay.

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01:08:26,024 --> 01:08:28,755

So, so that's a naturalized citizen.

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01:08:28,765 --> 01:08:30,524

You were born here though.

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01:08:30,535 --> 01:08:32,145

That, that part where you would read,

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01:08:32,635 --> 01:08:33,335

Wayne Edwards: you're a citizen,

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01:08:33,374 --> 01:08:34,845

Tony Tidbit: you're a citizen,

you're not naturalized, but

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01:08:34,845 --> 01:08:35,395

Wayne Edwards: you're a citizen.

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01:08:35,395 --> 01:08:38,255

Tony Tidbit: Part of you're talking

about is if you want to come and

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01:08:38,295 --> 01:08:40,413

request to be a citizen, correct.

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01:08:40,413 --> 01:08:42,765

You have to do jump through

these hoops, correct.

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01:08:42,934 --> 01:08:45,184

But if you're born here, you're

a citizen, you're a citizen.

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01:08:45,184 --> 01:08:45,524

Okay.

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01:08:45,575 --> 01:08:47,375

So, so he can't get over that.

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01:08:47,535 --> 01:08:47,955

All right.

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01:08:47,975 --> 01:08:51,859

That that's in the 14th amendment,

but again, This is things

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01:08:51,859 --> 01:08:53,620

that his people want to hear.

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01:08:53,950 --> 01:08:54,330

Okay.

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01:08:54,330 --> 01:08:56,279

To appease them, even

if it doesn't get done.

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01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:57,090

Okay.

:

01:08:57,180 --> 01:09:02,850

But it's a way again, separating and

dividing people based on us versus them.

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01:09:02,990 --> 01:09:03,950

Les, let me hear your thoughts.

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01:09:04,180 --> 01:09:06,930

Les Frye: I just want to address

Wayne saying that he wants to see

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01:09:06,959 --> 01:09:11,399

on ancestry because right now, uh,

Ghana, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, it's

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01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:14,830

giving you a dual passport to get

the heck out of America right now.

:

01:09:14,830 --> 01:09:16,620

So you might want to check into that.

:

01:09:16,649 --> 01:09:21,630

Um, Yeah, they are basically heavily

promoting for us to return back to Africa.

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01:09:22,059 --> 01:09:24,309

So, um, I agree with you.

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01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,959

Uh, this is pandering to his constituents.

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01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,660

Um, it is not going to happen,

especially since his family benefited

:

01:09:30,660 --> 01:09:33,309

from this, uh, as Scottish immigrants.

:

01:09:33,689 --> 01:09:35,830

Uh, he's going to have a hard sell there.

:

01:09:36,250 --> 01:09:39,270

Um, yeah, he's been pandering a lot.

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01:09:39,330 --> 01:09:43,975

And I think that a lot of his, you

know, His constituency are getting,

:

01:09:44,005 --> 01:09:47,555

uh, you know, this new phrase right

now, the leopard eating their faces,

:

01:09:47,774 --> 01:09:51,774

um, because they're finding out that

he did all of that to get into office.

:

01:09:51,774 --> 01:09:53,265

But this is what this man does.

:

01:09:53,624 --> 01:09:55,235

This man is a showboat.

:

01:09:55,525 --> 01:09:57,784

If y'all really wanted to know

who this man was, you should

:

01:09:57,794 --> 01:09:58,825

have asked a New Yorker.

:

01:09:59,255 --> 01:10:02,905

So, let me tell you, this is

something that he does all the time.

:

01:10:03,235 --> 01:10:07,145

He, he sensationalizes everything,

he gets to where he wants to go, and

:

01:10:07,145 --> 01:10:09,205

then he does a complete takeover.

:

01:10:09,545 --> 01:10:13,445

And he only promotes people

because they are loyal to him.

:

01:10:13,895 --> 01:10:18,520

You know, You, the masses out there,

you're loyal in getting him his votes,

:

01:10:18,780 --> 01:10:21,900

but he's basically going to do whatever

he wants to do once he's in office,

:

01:10:21,940 --> 01:10:25,689

and he's going to have a hard time

trying to promote this or to get this

:

01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:28,460

overturned within the United States.

:

01:10:28,930 --> 01:10:33,300

Wayne Edwards: His media partners will

most likely find a way to frame something.

:

01:10:33,545 --> 01:10:34,535

Of why he can't.

:

01:10:34,775 --> 01:10:35,395

Yeah.

:

01:10:35,434 --> 01:10:36,475

Oh, yeah, exactly.

:

01:10:36,485 --> 01:10:37,605

That's just my exactly.

:

01:10:37,775 --> 01:10:38,325

They're going to write.

:

01:10:38,325 --> 01:10:42,425

Yeah, they're going to write a narrative

to say, Oh, he tried, but he wasn't able

:

01:10:42,425 --> 01:10:47,675

to do it because, because, you know,

through my observation, that base is

:

01:10:47,905 --> 01:10:53,794

not as educated in that area to look

for themselves about this information.

:

01:10:53,804 --> 01:10:56,454

They'll take that as the face value.

:

01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,550

and run with it, which

is which is unfortunate.

:

01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:00,550

I gotta be nice.

:

01:11:01,270 --> 01:11:02,230

So, so as

:

01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:07,800

Tony Tidbit: taking face, taking things

at face value, I want to hear you guys's

:

01:11:07,829 --> 01:11:10,330

predictions for:

:

01:11:10,670 --> 01:11:11,809

So what do you think?

:

01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,850

We're about to inaugurate a new president.

:

01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:16,480

Um, we have health care issues.

:

01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,800

There's always going to be, you know, I

had somebody in New Orleans, you know,

:

01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:26,170

unfortunately ride down and murder, you

know, 15 people in the name of Allah.

:

01:11:26,970 --> 01:11:31,760

Um, so there's always going to be a lot

of turbulence here in the United States.

:

01:11:31,770 --> 01:11:32,679

So I love less.

:

01:11:32,679 --> 01:11:33,520

I'm going to start with you.

:

01:11:33,939 --> 01:11:35,699

What's your predictions for:

:

01:11:35,859 --> 01:11:36,460

Keep it tight.

:

01:11:37,865 --> 01:11:42,615

Les Frye: I would say you all, uh,

prepare yourself in the green room with

:

01:11:42,615 --> 01:11:47,014

your makeup and everything like that

because you are basically going to be

:

01:11:47,015 --> 01:11:51,475

a part of a Donald Trump documentary

that's going to come out similar to,

:

01:11:51,505 --> 01:11:54,505

um, his TV shows that he often does.

:

01:11:54,934 --> 01:11:57,325

Uh, this is going to be a

show you all for four years.

:

01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,230

And I think you need to gear yourself

up for a lot of us are so fearful

:

01:12:01,230 --> 01:12:03,980

what's going to happen, but I'm

telling you all, y'all are going to

:

01:12:03,980 --> 01:12:07,320

get a good show season two season two.

:

01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:08,140

Okay,

:

01:12:08,140 --> 01:12:13,059

Wayne Edwards: Wayne, um, some

of the priorities that Donald has

:

01:12:13,059 --> 01:12:16,040

mentioned that he wanted to take

care of in the first 100 days.

:

01:12:16,119 --> 01:12:17,629

I really don't see that happening.

:

01:12:17,959 --> 01:12:19,490

And only because.

:

01:12:20,505 --> 01:12:25,965

There's only one Republican vote is the

difference between things happening.

:

01:12:25,965 --> 01:12:30,604

And if you rub some of the, we've already

seen a bit of the infighting and kind

:

01:12:30,605 --> 01:12:32,465

of the turbulence within the party.

:

01:12:33,070 --> 01:12:36,440

Um, I don't see a lot of that stuff

happening, especially with, when it comes

:

01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:40,590

to H1B visas, things of that, that's

one example of that, in which you're

:

01:12:40,590 --> 01:12:47,390

not going to get all of your Republican

backers with that, um, on a more, so

:

01:12:47,390 --> 01:12:51,769

for the other side of the party, the

Democratic Party, I do see a leader

:

01:12:51,809 --> 01:12:59,740

emerging, it's going to have to happen,

it needs to happen, um, especially while

:

01:12:59,770 --> 01:13:04,290

the infighting is still continuing in

the Republican Party, um, And then on a

:

01:13:04,290 --> 01:13:10,200

more depressing note, I do fear that we

are going to be seeing more politically

:

01:13:10,210 --> 01:13:12,760

motivated violence in this country.

:

01:13:13,450 --> 01:13:14,070

And that's sad,

:

01:13:15,619 --> 01:13:15,999

Tony Tidbit: Lauren.

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01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:17,700

Lauren Burke: Yeah.

:

01:13:17,710 --> 01:13:24,279

So, um, I do think that to talk about

something non Donald Trump, well,

:

01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:25,889

related, so it's related, right.

:

01:13:25,959 --> 01:13:31,150

Um, the rise of AI, uh, with

companies, I think, um, the valuation

:

01:13:31,170 --> 01:13:35,530

of chip making company, NVIDIA this

year, like absolutely skyrocketing.

:

01:13:35,895 --> 01:13:38,575

You see big tech companies

cozying up to Trump.

:

01:13:38,655 --> 01:13:39,495

Um, right.

:

01:13:39,495 --> 01:13:41,985

I think there will be

new policies around that.

:

01:13:41,985 --> 01:13:47,135

I think certain industries may be

deregulated, um, that weren't in the past.

:

01:13:47,135 --> 01:13:51,834

So, you know, hopefully there will lead

to innovation, positive innovation, right?

:

01:13:51,835 --> 01:13:54,975

That impacts you and me, not

only in our jobs, but maybe

:

01:13:54,975 --> 01:13:56,535

in our personal lives as well.

:

01:13:56,585 --> 01:13:59,105

Um, and maybe Elon Musk somewhere.

:

01:13:59,765 --> 01:14:01,885

In politics officially, officially,

:

01:14:02,365 --> 01:14:03,525

Tony Tidbit: I love those predictions.

:

01:14:03,545 --> 01:14:04,145

Those are great.

:

01:14:04,184 --> 01:14:07,195

So final thoughts, final thoughts.

:

01:14:07,205 --> 01:14:09,934

I want to get a quick final thought

from each and each of you guys.

:

01:14:09,945 --> 01:14:10,965

So let's I'll start with you.

:

01:14:11,904 --> 01:14:16,815

Les Frye: My final thought is that I don't

feel like we need to have fear motivate

:

01:14:16,815 --> 01:14:19,334

us, uh, in this next political arena.

:

01:14:19,809 --> 01:14:23,130

Um, I do feel that the Democratic

Party, when they are bringing in a

:

01:14:23,130 --> 01:14:27,780

contender, that it is somebody that

is not basically battling the antics

:

01:14:27,780 --> 01:14:31,700

of Donald Trump, but basically coming

in with some real policies of change.

:

01:14:32,050 --> 01:14:35,380

Um, and that's where we're going

to succeed in our next election.

:

01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:36,070

Uh,

:

01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:39,340

Lauren Burke: yeah.

:

01:14:39,340 --> 01:14:43,660

So I, you know, I think it does

feel like we have taken a step

:

01:14:43,660 --> 01:14:48,660

back in a lot of ways, but I

want to encourage everybody to.

:

01:14:49,020 --> 01:14:55,190

You know, don't ignore the small

progress that we, we make year over year.

:

01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:55,490

Right.

:

01:14:55,490 --> 01:15:01,270

So while companies may be paring back DNI

initiatives, we are seeing more diverse.

:

01:15:01,675 --> 01:15:03,225

Diversity in the C suite, right?

:

01:15:03,225 --> 01:15:05,095

And that's something

that benefits everyone.

:

01:15:05,145 --> 01:15:10,414

Um, so I would say, um, acknowledge

the small changes and, you know,

:

01:15:10,415 --> 01:15:11,705

we're all in it for the long haul.

:

01:15:11,745 --> 01:15:15,825

Like, let's, let's keep, let's keep going

at it and see what we can accomplish.

:

01:15:16,484 --> 01:15:18,314

Tony Tidbit: And then you

have the final word, Wayne.

:

01:15:18,705 --> 01:15:19,305

Wayne Edwards: Thanks, Tony.

:

01:15:19,545 --> 01:15:24,505

Um, listen, as a, as a professor

in media, I implore people

:

01:15:25,155 --> 01:15:27,535

to what I call dig deeper.

:

01:15:28,385 --> 01:15:33,345

And that is when you, when you see and you

hear information, take it upon yourself.

:

01:15:33,825 --> 01:15:39,375

To dig deeper and research

it, research the facts.

:

01:15:39,570 --> 01:15:44,190

We do, we do an exercise in

class called clear the fog.

:

01:15:44,585 --> 01:15:47,075

And that is when you see or

read something, you're going to,

:

01:15:47,155 --> 01:15:49,175

you're going to extract the facts.

:

01:15:49,544 --> 01:15:52,854

You're going to extract the opinions

and you're going to extract the

:

01:15:52,854 --> 01:15:57,545

generalizations in a story so that

you are better equipped to make

:

01:15:57,555 --> 01:16:04,200

your own decision on whether a story

that's being presented to you Is right

:

01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,320

or wrong in your, in your opinion.

:

01:16:07,730 --> 01:16:09,190

So dig deeper.

:

01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:13,720

Tony Tidbit: I love that fog facts,

opinion, generalization, clear it out.

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01:16:13,770 --> 01:16:14,559

I love it, buddy.

:

01:16:14,559 --> 01:16:17,559

And when more importantly, I love

you guys for coming on, pull up,

:

01:16:17,559 --> 01:16:19,840

speak up, provide your perspectives.

:

01:16:20,089 --> 01:16:22,149

I really appreciate you

guys have busy schedules.

:

01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:23,220

So thank you for joining.

:

01:16:23,220 --> 01:16:27,300

Stay right there because you guys are

going to help us with our call to action.

:

01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:31,190

So I think it's now

time for Tony's tidbit.

:

01:16:32,350 --> 01:16:38,140

And the tidbit today, building a better

world starts with asking tough questions

:

01:16:38,460 --> 01:16:41,090

and boldly pursuing the right answers.

:

01:16:41,610 --> 01:16:45,690

Even when it invites

criticism or discomfort.

:

01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,580

And you heard a lot of that throughout

this episode, especially what our

:

01:16:49,580 --> 01:16:51,820

final thoughts from my panelists.

:

01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,840

And so we want to remind you that

don't forget to check out this week's

:

01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:57,709

episode of need to know with Dr.

:

01:16:57,709 --> 01:17:00,530

Nsenga Burton on a black

executive perspective podcast.

:

01:17:00,925 --> 01:17:01,245

Dr.

:

01:17:01,245 --> 01:17:04,495

Burton dives into all the

timely and crucial topics

:

01:17:04,775 --> 01:17:05,865

shape our community and world.

:

01:17:05,875 --> 01:17:06,905

You don't want to miss it.

:

01:17:06,905 --> 01:17:09,184

You want to stay on top of these things.

:

01:17:09,325 --> 01:17:11,725

And more importantly, like

Wayne was saying, you definitely

:

01:17:11,725 --> 01:17:12,895

want to clear the fog.

:

01:17:13,145 --> 01:17:17,374

So definitely check her out every Thursday

on a black executive perspective podcast.

:

01:17:17,385 --> 01:17:18,324

You don't want to miss it.

:

01:17:18,654 --> 01:17:22,365

So now it's time for the

BEP's call to action.

:

01:17:22,825 --> 01:17:27,555

Our goal is to eliminate

all forms of discrimination.

:

01:17:27,895 --> 01:17:28,445

Right.

:

01:17:28,545 --> 01:17:34,835

And for us to do that, we have a

call to action called less L E S S.

:

01:17:34,865 --> 01:17:38,425

And our panel is going to help

us and help you help us go

:

01:17:38,425 --> 01:17:40,044

through less Lauren, kick us off.

:

01:17:40,985 --> 01:17:44,075

Lauren Burke: The L stands

for learn, educate yourself on

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01:17:44,075 --> 01:17:45,914

racial and cultural nuances.

:

01:17:46,675 --> 01:17:48,575

Nobody knows it all, right?

:

01:17:48,605 --> 01:17:51,475

Um, and there are a lot of

things, frankly, we haven't

:

01:17:51,475 --> 01:17:52,735

learned, uh, growing up.

:

01:17:52,735 --> 01:17:57,184

So I encourage everyone to kind

of question everything and,

:

01:17:57,205 --> 01:18:01,155

uh, not make decisions based

on fear, but based on facts.

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01:18:03,394 --> 01:18:06,404

Wayne Edwards: The E is for

empathy, and that's be open to

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understanding diverse views.

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When we learn about other people's

experience, it combats bias.

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So be open minded.

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Les Frye: The S stands for share.

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Share your insights to enlighten others.

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Don't be afraid to share.

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You might have a perception that

someone else doesn't see, an insight

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that somebody else doesn't see.

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And by giving that perspective,

you enlighten that other

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Tony Tidbit: person.

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Thank you lesson.

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The final S stands for stop.

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You want to stop discrimination

as it walks in your path.

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So if you're at auntie Jenny's house

for Sunday dinner and auntie Jenny says

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something that's inappropriate, you say

auntie Jenny, we don't believe that.

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We don't say that.

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And you stop it right there.

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So if everyone can incorporate

less L E S S will build a more

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fair, more understanding world.

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And more importantly, we'll all

see the change that we want to

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see because less will become more.

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So again, we appreciate you tuning

in another episode of a black

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The man, the man down here at the

University of New Haven, Wayne Edwards,

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the legendary Les Fry and my girl

with the LGS hat on, Lauren Furman.

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But guess what?

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