The Enneagram seems to be everywhere! So many evangelical Christians have been discussing the Enneagram. What do we do with it?

Join Travis as he talks with special guest, Todd A. Wilson, co-founder of the Center for Pastor Theologians about his new book, The Enneagram Goes to Church.

What does the Enneagram have to do with church? What does it have to do with pastoral ministry? Church life? Preaching? Worship? Shepherding? Can churches actually take on an Enneagram number? Listen in as they talk about the Enneagram, church, germs, 80's basketball, and how the monumental moments of Todd's life happen in American restaurants!

Learn more about Todd, The Center for Pastor Theologians, and be sure to check out the book as well as his many other books.

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