It can be hard to step out of your comfort zone, and sometimes perfectionism keeps us squarely in it. In this episode, Janine and Shannon discuss a project that has Janine stepping way out of her comfort zone and how she's trying hard to not let perfectionism get in the way.

Discussion topics include:

• How Janine is stepping out of her comfort zone with the publication and marketing of her new Orderly Roots genealogy guide

• Shannon's attempts to help Janine reframe her thinking about sales

• How perfectionism fits into Janine's discomfort

• The difficulty in calling a writing project finished

• The physiological effect of the stress of going out of your comfort zone

• Figuring out what tasks merit spending more time

• Shannon's introduction of a stressor Janine hadn't even thought of. (Thanks, Shannon.)

• The podcast's upcoming third anniversary

Janine's enjoyment of being new in a field and her transition into acknowledging herself as an expert

• Shannon's insight that Janine's enjoyment of being new means she likes getting out of her comfort zone

• The joy of having a challenge that you don't know you can achieve, something Shannon and Janine both love

• How perfectionism can get in the way of rising to certain challenges

• How Shannon went from being an adamant non-runner to finishing the Boston Marathon four years later

• Shannon's husband Mike's rising to the challenge of knitting socks