Have you ever seen photos or videos of tiny Italian villages — the laughter, the food, the friendship — and wondered how to find that for yourself? Today's guest did exactly that, and she now lives it every day. Elizabeth Heath moved from Florida to a hilltop village of 200 people in Umbria, Italy, and after 15 years immersed in the culture, she created Villaggio Tours — small-group immersive experiences where strangers become friends, grandmothers teach you to make pasta, and going-away dinners end in happy tears.
Welcome to Travel That Touches Your Soul podcast and video channel, where I bring you the people and places around the world to help you connect with something greater than yourself and fulfill your heart's desires. I'm Karen Cleveland, and today's guest is Elizabeth Heath.
Elizabeth founded Villaggio Tours with a mission to connect travelers with the authentic rhythms of rural Italian life — the harvests, the feasts, the folklore, and the families. She lives in Allerona, Umbria with her husband Paolo, a traditional stone mason, in a restored 13th-century home that now serves as Six Keys Guest House, the home base for all her tours.
Guest Bio
Elizabeth Heath is the founder of Villaggio Tours and co-owner of Six Keys Guest House in Allerona, a medieval hill town of roughly 200 residents in Umbria, Italy. Originally from Florida, Elizabeth came to Italy to pursue a PhD in anthropology and archeology, fell in love with the land and the people — including her husband Paolo, born and raised in Allerona — and never left. After 15+ years immersed in rural Italian life, she now leads intimate small-group tours that weave together food, harvest traditions, history, and genuine human connection. Her tours include cooking classes in a real Italian grandmother's kitchen, truffle hunts on private reserves, olive and grape harvests, visits to a 17th-century noble family's palazzo, and day trips to some of Umbria's most dramatic and lesser-known sites. When guests leave crying, she knows she's done her job.
Host Bio
Karen Cleveland is the creator and host of Travel That Touches Your Soul. She is a safari host, spiritual teacher, and animal communicator devoted to helping people reconnect with what matters most through meaningful travel. Her work centers on connection with animals, land, culture, and inner truth, and the quiet inner knowing that says, this is the kind of life I came here to live.
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Have you ever seen those pictures
or videos where you see these little
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:villages in Italy and it looks like
the people are having so much fun.
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:There's friendship, there's
family, there's food, and you
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:wondered, gosh, that looks great.
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:How does a person experience that?
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:How can I find that?
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:Well, today you're going to learn how
to lose the crowds and find what you're
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:searching for in those communities Where
you get extra helpings of dessert and
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:strangers become friends because, my guest
is going to help you with that today.
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:Welcome to Travel That touches your soul.
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:This is Karen Cleveland and.
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:my goal is, to bring you the people
and the places around the world
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:that help you connect with something
greater than yourself or help you
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:fulfill your dreams and desires.
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:my guest today is Elizabeth Heath with
Villagio Tours she lived most of her
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:life in Florida where she grew up.
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:She's been in Italy in a small
village for over 15 years, and she's
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:really established herself in the
Italy culture and as an expert.
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:So welcome to the show, Liz.
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:It's so great to have you.
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:Thanks.
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:Thanks for the great intro.
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:absolutely.
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:So I'm going to share a video initially,
, of what Liz does for everyone.
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:. I have to be honest, one of my
first questions is, can you,
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:do you know what they're saying?
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:Can you speak the language?
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:Oh yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:I have to, it was sink or
swim when I moved here.
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:Nobody, nobody in our town.
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:I mean, a few people in our
town speak English, but very
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:few and very few fluently.
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:Okay.
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:Including my husband, so, oh, okay.
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:So tell me a little about this.
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:What, um, how did you get
to this place in life?
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:I went back to school somewhat later in
life to work on a PhD in anthropology
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:and archeology, and I started coming
to Italy to work on archeological digs.
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:And spent a summer here in 2008
and, uh, wound up meeting my husband
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:while I was, while I was here for
that summer, I was in Orvieto, which
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:is, um, with about 10,000 people.
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:We referred to it as the big city, um,
over, you know, about 20 minutes from us.
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:And, uh, I met him at a party
and, um, he was born and raised
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:in the town that we live in now.
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:Which is Aona, which has, um, we are
in the old part, we're in the Old
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:Town, which is the, the hill town,
uh, the dates to the 11 hundreds.
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:And we have about 200
full-time residents in town.
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:Wow.
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:So that's why we call
all Orta the big city.
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:So it's a, a typical Italian hill town
that was built, uh, around the, you
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:know, after the fall of the Roman Empire,
the definitive fall of the empire, when
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:they were boards of, you know, waves
of, of invasion, invaders coming in.
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:And people had to move up to high
points, high points in the ground, high
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:spots in the ground, and build a wall.
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:parts of our walls are still
standing and the old town is
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:contained in that curtain wall.
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:Did do you continue to do
your archeological work?
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:I do not.
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:I mean, I'm still passionate about
archeology and I incorporate archeology,
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:you know, visits to archeological
sites, visits to lesser known
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:sites, a lot of underground sites.
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:When we go to Rome, uh,
as part of our tours.
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:Um, our field archeology is a young
person's game, so I'm, it's hard work.
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:So I am quite content to take people to
sites and have somebody else explain to
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:us what's going on and, um, and so, you
know, convey my passion for archeology.
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:'cause I am really, when I see people
at a site and they're digging, I
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:really have , this sense of fomo.
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:But, Yeah, I bet it is
a young person's game.
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:So tell us a little bit about, this
picture and just to explain to the audio.
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:There's, there's a, a gentleman,
and women hugging a beautiful
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:dark background, with the flowers.
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:It's at nighttime.
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:Yeah.
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:So what, , so this is our going, this is a
scene from one of our going away dinners.
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:That's the last night
of our week long tours.
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:We always host when, when weather permits,
and it's most, most of the times of
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:the year that I offer tours, we're able
to do most of our activities outside.
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:So we host this going away dinner.
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:And, you know, it's a cookout and the
family and friends that our guests have
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:met during the week all gather and it's
just a nice sendoff for our guests.
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:And it usually ends in some,
you know, watery eyes, I guess.
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:Um, which is a, have a little
bit of that going on here.
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:So these guests, she's
hugging my mother-in-law.
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:Um, it's just always a real
special, I mean, people.
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:People realize that they've
been part of something special.
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:And I, and when I always say, when I
see when, when guests cry, when they
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:leave, I feel like I've really, you
know, like this was a winner, right?
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Um, because I wanna make people sad,
but it's because people are just, you
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:know, they, they, they recognize the
value of the experience that they've had.
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:Exactly.
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:And they've been touched by it.
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:So this is your mother-in-law.
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:She's hugging.
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:So your entire family is involved in
this, um, experience for people, right?
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:For guests?
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:Yes.
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:Yes.
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:You're seeing the back
of my mother-in-law.
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:Just to, just to communicate that
the other woman is, was our guest.
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:Um, my mother, well, my husband
helps me with the, with the tours.
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:He's, I always, I kind of refer
to him as our color commentary.
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:'cause he put, He's a raconteur and he's
got a big personality and he likes to joke
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:around with people and he's just very good
at, at, at breaking the ice with people.
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:And even when guests feel maybe
a little bit reserved, it's hard
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:to feel too reserved around Paolo
because he just has such a, he
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:has this gregarious personality.
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:Um, so his friends help us.
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:His, his family, uh, his mom and my
mother-in-law and sister-in-law, his
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:sister, um, run our cooking classes.
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:So we go to his mom's kitchen,
which is this very humble Italian
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:little old lady's kitchen.
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:which is just like the ones that you
see in, you know, old Italian movies.
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:I mean, there's a TV on, we don't
have the TV on during the cooking
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:classes, but typically there's
a TV on in Pots on the stove.
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:And, so we have our
cooking classes there, and.
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:Then during the week there, my,
my relatives, my and PA's family
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:are helping us prepare meals and
I say his cousin, well, you don't
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:quite know what to call people.
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:You call him a cousin
or an uncle, something.
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:Right, right.
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:Because you know, you're, you're
sort of related, but not exactly,
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:one of his cousins, his older
cousins, brings the grappa.
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:To the dinners 'cause
he makes his own grappa.
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:So after everybody's had a nice,
uh, you know, boozy dinner with, or
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:lunch with wine, Pepe brings cracks
out the grappa and, uh, and everybody
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:who swore they'd never taste grappa
in their lives has a little sample.
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:And It's not performative.
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:We're not, these aren't Italians who
are putting on a show for you, right?
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:They're Italians who are welcoming you
into their homes and their lives and
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:their community, and are just happy that
you're here, proud of their food, proud
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:of their traditions, and very pleased to
be able to share that in an authentic way.
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:And then here's another experience.
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:It looks like a, a fun getting
down to the earth kind of thing.
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:Yeah.
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:This is, um, just helping out was
just helping our friend pick his
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:grapes because he had, it was near
the end of the harvest season and
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:he hadn't gotten out to get his, um.
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:To get his grapes harvested yet.
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:So after lunch we said, Hey, does
anybody wanna go pick grapes?
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:And you know, everybody jumped in and.
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:Um, they had a, a grape
harvesting experience.
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:And then of course Dominico,
who's our friend who's, uh,
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:who wow, those are his grapes.
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:He cracked open the wine and some salami
and bread and some other snacks and
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:things, and now everything ends with food.
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:Everything, it seems like everything
begins and ends with food here,
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:does he make his own wine?
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:Hmm.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:Do you make wine?
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:Um, we do not, we have our own olive oil.
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:Okay.
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:We, we, I mean, we don't,
we don't make the olive oil.
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:I mean, we pick our, we
have our own olive trees.
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:We pick the olives, we take them
to the mill, and then that might be
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:the experience that guests have too.
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:It just depends on what, you
know, depending on the time
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:of year grapes or September.
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:Olives are generally October,
November, and we schedule tours
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:around the harvest too, so that.
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:When our guests are here in the
fall, hopefully they're hitting
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:one of those two harvests.
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:And if we do the olive harvest, then
we take the olives to the olive mill
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:and we watch as they go into the
hopper and our olive oil comes out.
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:Wow.
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:You know, in about an hour's time.
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:And in the meantime we have an olive
oil tasting session where the, the,
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:um, the person who, who helps run
the mill explains how you taste
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:oil and what the differences are.
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:And here's oil that came from
this kind of tree, and here's oil
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:that came from that kind of tree.
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:And it's just, it's really interesting.
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:Yeah, that's, that's amazing.
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:That would be a great experience.
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:these are some of the
guests or is this family?
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:These were our first guests.
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:Okay.
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:Um, I launched GIO Tours in 2023
with a Facebook post, um, to
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:just my friends on Facebook and
I said, Hey, we're doing this.
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:I'm doing a beta test.
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:You know, it was a, it was a
discounted tour, uh, to just make
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:sure we were on the right track.
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:And we had a group of, I had
eight guests altogether, including
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:this group of four, just terrific
friends who, who, uh, came together.
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:It was, it was the first time in Italy
for all of them, and they just had so much
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:fun and they were so happy to be here and,
and, um, just terrific, terrific guests.
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:And it helped us, helped us realize
that we were onto something too.
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:That's fantastic.
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:. This is an introduction to a truffle hunt.
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:So we have friends, um, you know,
partners, we call 'em, you know,
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:partners with us in tour who
have a private truffle reserve.
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:Um, so we meet them there and
again, they have always have a
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:little breakfast spread out for us.
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:And then we go out for a walk
through their reserve with their
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:dogs and hunt for truffles, which
are, you know, the, they're a tuber.
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:They're a, a fungus, basically.
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:A fungi.
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:Fungi, um, that grow underground and.
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:They use, especially
trained dogs to find them.
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:So we, you know, people get to see
the dogs at work and how, you know,
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:they're able to sniff out these, these
things and, you know, dig and dig
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:and dig and dig, and they're happy
to get a piece of salami or some sort
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:of treat in exchange for the truffle.
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:And, um, so this is our,
our, our friend, uh, Emilios.
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:Just anos, just explaining.
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:how fun.
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:This is the beginning of the hunt.
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:Yeah.
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:This is from our cooking class.
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:So we have a cooking lesson that's
a sort of a signature part of our,
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:of our one week tour experience.
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:And we make, uh, two kinds
of pasta, including ravioli.
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:So these are fresh raviolis that we
then, um, cook and eat for lunch.
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:I'm, I'm getting a little bit hungry.
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:It looks really good.
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:This is, um, this is one of our lunches
that's my mother-in-law's dining room.
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:so this year this is all about group
that participated in the cooking class.
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:We're waiting for, waiting
for the food to come out.
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:I think it's fantastic that these are
truly authentic in people's houses.
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:Where do people sleep?
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:We have, uh, a guest house
that just opened in the fall.
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:Um, our, our guest house is, is
called Six Keys Guest House, and it's
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:six keys because we have six rooms.
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:Um, was the whole impetus
behind the tours because of.
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:A few years ago, we bought this
old, completely dilapidated house
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:up in the village, uh, that my, my
husband had had his eye on for years.
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:And the price kept going down
and going down and going down,
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:and finally we grabbed it,
didn't know what to do with it.
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:And I just, having worked in tourism
for several years as a travel writer
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:and been on different types of group
tours and had all these different.
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:Travel experiences and just sort of
seeing how travel and tourism had changed
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:in Italy over the decade and plus that
I'd been involved, um, in tourism here.
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:The light bulb just kind of went off.
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:And I, I just remember, I always remember
like our friends and family who come
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:to visit just loved their experiences
in town and like, God, that lunch with
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:Franca was the best, or going mushroom
hunting that day was so much fun.
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:And that's what we, we just took that
and bottled it into a, into a small
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:group tour with the aim of that this
house was always going to be the.
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:The, the base for our chores.
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:Okay.
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:And what, prior to that, we had
comfortable guest houses in town.
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:Now we have our own place in
town and, and we just love it.
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:And it, you know, it's comfy and cozy
and smells good, and it's stylish
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:and just love everything about it.
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:So, right.
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:So that houses up to
12 people in six rooms.
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:And then if we go over that,
or if we need, you know,
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:people need their own spaces.
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:We don't have people that
are willing to share a room.
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:We have other places in town where
people can stay very comfortably.
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:But Six Keys is always
like, is always home base.
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:This is a dining room of a palace in
LaRona that you would not know was there
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:until we knock on the door and they're
ushered into this, you know, regal space.
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:Um, and this belongs to a family that
is descended from Italian nobility.
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:And, uh, they've had the house,
the house has been in their
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:family since the 16 hundreds.
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:Uh, so, you know, we're
welcomed into their home.
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:We get a tour of the home,
an explanation of the house's
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:history, the family's history.
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:This is innately tied to the
history of the village as well.
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:And then they prepare this beautiful,
what this is what we would call an aina.
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:So a pariti is like an, appetizer, right?
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:Like a happy hour.
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:Okay, and Chana is dinner.
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:Okay, so a pair of chana is
like heavy, um, heavy anti
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:pasta that becomes a dinner.
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:So this is all local products,
including some things that they produce.
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:They produce their own olive oil as well.
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:They use wine from, you know, that
comes from probably within a 10 mile
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:radius of all, all focused as much as
possible on zero kilometer uh, products.
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:You know, what I really love about this
is people really do want this connection
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:and learning about the actual life
because, , if you go to Rome and it's,
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:there's still value in going to Rome
and seeing the ruins, but it's just
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:so, um, big and crowded and distant
and so coming to the small villages
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:really adds a lot, learning about
Italy and not just looking at things.
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:Yeah, I think that, you know, I take
guests to Rome and I take guests to
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:Venice and I'll take them to Florence
if they wanna go to Florence, and I can
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:give them very, um, I don't wanna bandy
about the word authentic too much, but
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:I use guides in those places who do
share stories and talk about growing up
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:what it was like to grow up in Venice or
growing up in Rome or, yeah, like that.
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:So we get that human.
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:Personal connection, but not in the same
way that we can offer, you know, when we,
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:when we're inviting people to our cousin's
garden and their kids are playing on the
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:swing set in the background here, and, you
know, there's, there's children running
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:around and there's music playing and
it's just, uh, food and food, you know,
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:platters and platters and food coming
out, and it's just a different experience.
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:It looks, so amazing.
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:This is our, um, one of my guests
termed it, an ethno botanical hike.
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:That is actually a very good term
for it because our guy, the guy
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:with the yellow shirt on audio,
um, runs the Austria, this, uh,
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:rustic restaurant set in the woods.
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:And so we set out from
there on a nature walk.
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:It's like, I call it a, it, it's
somewhere between a walk and a hike.
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:'cause there's a little bit of,
you know, uphill scrambling,
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:but mostly it's walking.
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:Um.
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:as we walk, he explains how he explains
a lot about human interaction with.
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:The environment here.
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:Oh.
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:So you know, every place where we
see pine trees used to be farmland.
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:And then when the farms were abandoned
after the end of the, of the, basically
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:the tenant farming traditions in
Italy, um, people moved into the cities
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:and, you know, there's a whole, the
whole history, there's sort of like
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:geopolitical history too, sociopolitical.
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:And then, oh, and this plant's edible.
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:And people knew that they could use
this plant if they had a toothache.
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:And then, you know, we taste it.
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:And, and you know, as we're walking, and
this is, um, you know, this is a leftover,
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:he takes us to a, a pile of ruins.
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:It's been there, it was on a,
it's on a map in, in the Vatican
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:museums from the 16 hundreds.
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:Wow.
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:So that spot that we're standing, Then
we go back to the restaurant and we eat
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:dishes that were prepared with all of
these various edible herbs that we talked
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:about when we were out on our walk.
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:That's amazing.
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:This is a, I would say this is one of our
signature experiences and people just, I
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:say everything I say, oh, people love it.
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:People love it, but
people really do love it.
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:No, I can see why Really being in
touch with the land, which, is often
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:forgotten in the cities and other places.
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:It's very much the way
we live here too, though.
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:Okay.
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:And I'm not saying this is, you
know, some ena farmer or something.
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:Um, 'cause I've certainly not been,
um, a person who's been terribly
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:in touch with the land in my life.
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:But I am much more now, as I always
say, it's like we're a lot closer to
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:our food in, in Italy and in rural Italy
and India particularly in a lot of ways.
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:Um.
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:living with the land is still much,
very much part of, part of life Yeah.
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:Of life here.
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:Yeah, this is a guest birthday
in, uh, this is in Gio, which
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:is another one of our day trips.
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:So we usually do like a day around
LaRona and then a day out somewhere and
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:know we have a van with a driver that
takes us, takes us to different areas.
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:Um, I try not to keep people in
a van for much longer than about
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:40 minutes or so, just 'cause.
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:Who likes to, who, like, who wants to see
Italy looking out the window of a van.
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:Right.
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:So we try to do day trips.
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:They're manageable without, without
long, terribly long car rides.
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:Um, so Chivita and I probably have
another few photos of that, uh,
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:coming up, uh, is called The Dying
City, and it's a, uh, per, currently
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:has a population of five and it's
perch very dramatically on a hill.
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:Wow.
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:Um, not far from Orvieto.
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:So we go out there and.
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:That's one of our real
kind of wow experiences.
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:here It is.
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:So it's the dying city for a couple
of reasons because it is eroding and
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:falling into the valley behind it, and
it's, they're, they're not doing anything
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:to try to stop the, what is eventually
gonna be the disintegration of the city.
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:Okay.
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:Um, and the dying city because.
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:It's not very convenient to live out
there because that long footbridge
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:is the only way in and out of town.
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:Oh, wow.
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:So, um, so our guests, you know, we
get there, you see this, this, I
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:don't know what the word is, but when
you see it for the first time, the
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:city perched up on the, on the bluff,
like that is really quite dramatic.
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:And then we walk out there and spend a
few hours there, have lunch and um, you
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:know, get our photos and, and walk back.
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:So all groceries or food or other
products, you people need to live there.
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:Residents.
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:Residents are allowed to
come and go with a moped.
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write those little carts.
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people who can't walk very well.
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forth, but it's not unless you have
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have a, a, you know, a wheelchair.
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:there's my husband and my
daughter in the front there.
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they're, or if they're already,
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maybe they're staying in Orvieto.
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something that's not just a run of
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day cooking class with us, which always
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when lunch is over these are
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spend time in Orvieto as well.
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we call it the big city.
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during the era of the papal states.
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divided in different sort of futile.
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it's also just a lovely place to, you
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favorite restaurants there and, and
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might not be able to find on their own.
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were picking in the earlier photo.
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to figure that these cities
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which is a tufa, which is a volcanic rock
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underneath, which we call cantina,
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storage, which in the era before.
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and your olive oil and your cured meats.
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:We have a cantina at six keys
guest house, and we have our wine,
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:So why don't you tell the guests,
um, everything will be in the
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website, , if you have anything
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want to let people know about.
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photos of our guest house with you.
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and we're really, really pleased
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stone mason, so he did all of the work
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still knows how to work with, you know,
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say, okay, this and this and this and
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:this, and here's what we need to do
here, here's what we need to do there.
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:So we, we preserved the, the antique
character of the house, but, you
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of, of contemporary and antique.
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:and Vijo is V-I-L-L-A-G-G-I-O
tours all connected.com.
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:And then the guest house
is six Keys, Umbria.
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:It's a separate, it also runs as a
separate entity because when we don't
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rent a room and come stay with us.
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:Come visit us in LaRona for a few days.
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:Oh, great.
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:I have, um, upcoming, we have
tour scheduled in April and May.
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:It's our springtime immersive umbr,
and there is the option of adding on
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are, who are already joined for.
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week in LaRona, and some are
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uh, we have our, um, springtime
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most important festival in town.
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festival, uh, for Sanur who is
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:So it's a mix of, it's interesting
is it's this mix of, of Pagan
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:Throughout, I guess all over
the world, you know, uh, Italy,
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:, A festival that's linked to, uh,
productive harvest so our guests
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and then pick up on, you know, the
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:And we have several people signed up
and then we reconvene in September.
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Gilio Island, which is this just idyllic
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and we have this fantastic, uh, lunch.
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have this, this lunch just spread
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and it's just, it's, it's fabulous.
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:Exceeded my expectations,
um, and our guests as well.
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follows with days in LaRona.
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you know, sea and countryside.
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our, our tours that are linked
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the grape in the olive harvest.
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that starts in Venice and includes
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follows up with a week in Elona.
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:We can do custom tours and private
tours, and if you come to me with
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:I, think I will need to go visit you
within the next couple years and,
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:it all sounds and looks wonderful.
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:thank you so much for
being on the show today.
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:it's been fascinating learning about
all this and seeing all this and yeah, a
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:personal experience like this is exactly
the kind of things that, that I love,
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:Thank you, Karen.
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:All right, you're welcome.
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:And guests, thank you for listening
and watching, and we will, um,
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