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Summary
This episode explores the reality of Christ expressing Himself through His Body. As believers grow in maturity and oneness, they begin to move beyond striving and into a deeper flow of the Spirit where the Lord speaks through yielded vessels. The cross becomes the pathway into this life, bringing the dying out of self so that Christ can live and minister through His people. Instead of relying on knowledge, religious systems, or personal effort, the Body of Christ is learning to trust the Spirit of God and enter into His rest. In that place of faith and surrender, believers become living channels of the Holy Spirit, speaking a living word and ministering Christ to one another in love, freedom, and unity.Show Notes
Entering a Life in the Spirit
The discussion begins with the recognition that believers are being drawn into a deeper experience of knowing the Lord by the Spirit and relating to one another in that same realm. God's purpose has never been centered on isolated individuals but on a corporate Body—a family and a Kingdom through which Christ can express Himself.Maturity and Oneness in the Body
As the Body matures, there is a growing sense of unity and shared life. Ministry becomes less about individual effort and more about the collective expression of Christ flowing through His people.The Cross as the Pathway
The cross remains central to spiritual growth. Through the process of dying to self and accepting the Lord’s dealings, believers are transformed and brought into true sonship. What may seem like pressure or difficulty is actually God's loving work shaping His sons and daughters.Moving Beyond Religion into Spirit
Many believers remain stuck in systems that operate at the level of the soul and flesh. Without the work of the cross, spiritual growth stalls. True life in the Spirit requires leaving behind religious striving and entering into genuine spiritual experience.Freedom From Striving
As believers learn to trust the Spirit, they stop striving to perform or prove themselves. Instead, they begin to minister from the Lord's presence, allowing His Spirit to speak through them naturally.Christ Ministering Through His People
When believers serve one another with love and faith, Christ Himself is ministering through them. The Spirit flows through simple acts of obedience, planting seeds, watering hearts, and allowing God to bring the increase.Entering Into God's Rest
The conversation concludes with the call to enter into God's rest. This means trusting the Lord rather than relying on personal understanding, past experiences, or religious tradition. In this place of faith and surrender, the Holy Spirit flows freely and Christ speaks through His Body.Quotes
Debbie: “We're coming into a place of spirit and a place of knowing the Lord by the Spirit, and knowing each other by the spirit.” Ron: “He wants a kingdom. He wants a family. He wants a body of Christ.” Ken: “You just jump into the water and go with it. The Lord creates something that you look back and you say, who spoke that word?” Ron: “This is what God's doing because He loves me and He wants me to be a son, and He wants me to come closer to Him.” Mike: “That which is spirit is spirit. That which is flesh is flesh and religion is flesh.” Ken: “When things drop off because of the cross, all of a sudden you realize how much lighter you are.” Ron: “We're not asking people to come to the Lord. We're creating an open door in their hearts.” Ken: “We're simply ministering out of the Lord's presence in the Spirit.” Ed: “You're ministering to your brother as if he is Christ.” Ron: “This is gonna be Christ speaking through me.”Scriptural References
Galatians 2 (20) “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.” Matthew 28 (19) “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.” Matthew 25 (40) “Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.” John 3 (6) “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Hebrews 4 (9–11) “There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.” Proverbs 3 (5–6) “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.” Philippians 1 (21) “For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.” 1 Corinthians 12 (27) “Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.”Takeaway
Christ desires to express Himself through His people. As believers embrace the work of the cross, release striving, and trust the Holy Spirit, they enter a place of rest where the Lord speaks and ministers through them. The Body of Christ becomes a living channel of the Spirit—bringing life, freedom, and revelation to others.Transcripts
Ron
Welcome to Live Behind the Veil. I'm Ron, your host, and on this podcast we explore what it means to live in the kingdom of God here and now. In this episode, we talk about how Christ speaks and ministers through His body. As believers grow in their maturity and oneness, they begin to move beyond striving and unto a life led by the spirit.
Through the work of the cross and a deeper trust in the Holy Spirit, the body of Christ becomes a living expression of His voice, His love, and His life in the earth. Join us as we discuss what it means for Christ to speak through His people.
Debbie:
We're coming into a place of spirit and a place of knowing the Lord by the Spirit, and knowing each other by the spirit.
Ron:
There's a group that God's opened the door for to enter into a level of spirit, and it's no longer a single individual. That's not what the Lord's ultimate purpose is. He wants a kingdom. He wants a family. He wants a body of Christ.
Mike:
It's all came about because of the maturing and the oneness. It's more real.
Ken:
There is such a flow. Once we enter into this anointing that God's bringing to us in the spirit, there is a flow. And you just jump into the water and go with it. The Lord creates something that you look back and you say, who spoke that Word? Because we don't recognize even us having done it, because we are in an experience with God that we've never been before. Yes, we've had anointings from the past, but the anointing today is a whole new level. And there's more. We're going to experience more in this new relationship that we're having with the Lord. It's different from the experience that we've had with Him, but it's more of that experience.
Ron:
The one thing that's jumping out so far to me again is the cross of Christ, the cross that we walk in the dying out. Because without that, you don't enter. You don't come up higher. You don't move up higher. You just don't. You're stuck with where you're at, even though it's at times painful. It's, yeah, okay, Lord, you're doing what you're doing to me, putting pressure on me. It's not pleasant, but this is the will of God for me to grow into sonship. And I'm not gonna grow into sonship unless I'm open and receive the dealings of the Lord. I think if we can get over that hurdle of feeling sorry for yourself because you're going through stuff and going, “no, I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself. This is what God's doing because He loves me and He wants me to be a son, and He wants me to come closer to Him.” That's God's blessing. That's not God's curse. That's God's love and blessing.
Mike:
Christian Church today has missed it because they are walking on the soul flesh level. As a result, they're bypassing the work of the cross in their lives, and they're stuck in a rut, which is Babylon. They're stuck in a system that satisfies the rut, and it never gets them up to the higher levels of spirit. It just never goes anywhere, 'cause it's not spirit. That which is spirit is spirit. That which is flesh is flesh, and religion is flesh.
Ken:
We find ourself in a place where “for me to live is Christ and to die is gain,” and it's a rejoicing. Because even when things the Lord points out that are dropping off, you go, thank you Lord. I don't feel the weight of that any longer because some things are weightier than we realize. And when they drop off because of the cross, or because of that attitude, for me to live is Christ and to die is gain, all of a sudden things begin to fall off and you go, wow, I didn't think that was a problem. I don't care, if that's what the Lord's putting His finger on. I'll let it go. And when I do that, I think, wow, I feel so much lighter. I feel like things are working and bringing me into a place I've never been before.
Ron:
All of this is because we're breaking into the spirit realm. Anybody can do it. So what's changed? The level of spirit changed. So the body's drawn into it. In other words, hang out, you're gonna get rubbed off on you.
Debbie:
When you're relating to people in the church or out in the world, you start to see certain things. They want to come up into the Lord. They can't get out of this defeatist thing. Oh, I don't know whether I can make it or not. That day's over. People are just revelation away from Spirit of the Lord. It's not that difficult. Paul changed overnight.
Ron:
We're not asking people to come to the Lord. We're creating an open door in their hearts. We're literally creating disciples. Exactly what the Lord said. Go make 'em.
Ken:
The other part about this too is the fact that we stopped striving. We're not striving any longer to speak His word, but in Galatians it says we've been set free, and there's a freedom, “for freedom sake we were set free.” Now what does that mean? We're free to be what God called us to be and to speak His word in a level of freedom we've never known. We're simply ministering out of the Lord's presence in the Spirit. And there's no longer a concern about am I right? Am I wrong? Am I doing, am I speaking what I shouldn't be speaking? We simply speak it. We're not doing it for any kind of recognition. We're in it because the Lord is leading us into it. And there's something revealing in this because we're seeing expressions of love and faith and freedom that we've never seen before. It's a new day for that.
Ed:
You see your brother there. You're ministering him as if he is Christ. And when you have that thing in your heart, that's how you're ministering. The spirit of the Lord flows. You receive some and they receive some. Give to this person with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. And when you do that, His Spirit is there with you flowing.
Mike:
“As you do unto the least of these My brethren, you do also unto Me.” Plant the seed, somebody else waters it, and God comes along and brings it in.
Ron:
No blame, no self condemnation on you. This is gonna be Christ speaking through me. And that's it. It's not gonna be. I'm not gonna lean on my understanding, on everything that I know. That has to be our determination, is that we are gonna speak in the spirit and we're not going to lean on our understanding or even our knowledge of the scriptures. We don't wanna do that, 'cause it limits. When you do that, it puts a restraint and limits what the Spirit can do and speak through you.
Ken:
In Hebrews it talks about entering into His rest. And that's really what we're talking about, because He finished His works and then He rested. And then the word says that we're to enter into His rest. But what does that mean? Doesn't it mean possibly that we stopped relying on everything we've ever learned, everything we've ever heard, everything of the old time religion, and we say, Lord, lead me by Your Spirit?
Not by what I've heard, not what I've been in, not what I've done, but by Your Spirit. Loose me into that level. I'm simply speaking words You're giving me to speak. Christ speaking through us. It's a flow of the Holy Spirit speaking through individual people in the body of Christ. It's a place of rest. It's a place of peace. Peter learned that in a heartbeat when he got out of the boat and began to walk. He was walking by faith, and all of a sudden he looked down and saw the water and the waves and the storm and he became to sink. But he cried out, Lord, save me. He did the right thing. But he shouldn't have had to do that. He could have just kept walking on water. And that's where we're at. We speak a living word. It's the Lord who's doing the speaking through us. I was just thinking of the scripture. “Trust in the Lord with all your heart. Lean not on your own understanding, but in all your ways acknowledge Him and He'll direct your path.” There it is. Trust what He's doing.
Ron
Thank you for listening to Live Behind the Veil. The Kingdom of God is not just a future promise. It is a present reality revealed through a people who walk by the Spirit and allow Christ to live and speak through them. As we learn to trust the Lord to enter into His rest, His voice begins to flow through His body in ways we never imagined.
If this episode encouraged you, share it with someone who is hungry for a deeper walk with God. And remember, Christ is still speaking today through those who yield their hearts to Him.
