What does it mean to live on an island? Is it to be independent from, or inexorably dependent on the rest of the world? And when the ecosystem's physical limitations are so clearly circumscribed, do people behave more "environmentally"?
In this episode, we visit Adam's home island of Galiano, and find out just how big its ecological footprint really is.
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Introduction Voiceover:Future Ecologies
Levi Wilson:What I've been told is that the main source, the
Levi Wilson:main, lifeblood, the main thing for connecting us was the
Levi Wilson:waterways — was the ocean, was the different straits. And so
Levi Wilson:the whole island was accessed through our canoes. You don't
Levi Wilson:park your canoe here, travel up the island to the other end, get
Levi Wilson:on another canoe and come back to your canoe. And so this idea
Levi Wilson:of one continuous part of the island, and having one name for
Levi Wilson:that whole strip, just it didn't make sense. It wasn't necessary.
Levi Wilson:It wasn't necessarily helpful.
Levi Wilson:Places like Galliano didn't traditionally have one name for
Levi Wilson:the whole island, it was the waterways that had whole names.
Levi Wilson:And then each spot on the island was given to different families,
Levi Wilson:or under their their rights and responsibilities for care and
Levi Wilson:use of that area at different times of the year. Each Bay,
Levi Wilson:each inlet, each point of the island had its own name, and
Levi Wilson:each name was tied to a different family, a different
Levi Wilson:house, a different community, and through the names and how
Levi Wilson:the names are attached to people's names was how you
Levi Wilson:understood the place. But growing up, the water was a
Levi Wilson:barrier. Traditionally, that wasn't the way it should be. The
Levi Wilson:water should be the connection.
Wilson Henry:Welcome back. I'm Wil and I'll be your host for
Wilson Henry:this episode. The voice you just heard is Levi Wilson.
Levi Wilson:[Hul’qi’minum introduction] Levi Wilson. And
Levi Wilson:I'm a member of the Gitga'at first nation, with strong family
Levi Wilson:connections to the Lamalcha peoples of what's now known as
Levi Wilson:Penelakut Island. I lived most of my life on Galiano
Wilson Henry:Galiano — that long, narrow stretch of land in
Wilson Henry:the Salish Sea, sandwiched between Vancouver and Vancouver
Wilson Henry:Island. It's one of many islands here, part of an archipelago
Wilson Henry:known as the Southern Gulf Islands, or, as it continues
Wilson Henry:across the invisible threshold to the United States, the San
Wilson Henry:Juans. Today, just under 1400 people live here. And people
Wilson Henry:have lived here for a long time.
Levi Wilson:People have been everywhere on this coast since
Levi Wilson:forever. Since time immemorial is the phrase — time immemorial,
Levi Wilson:meaning time out of mind, time beyond what we can conceive.
Levi Wilson:People have been here and have shaped so many different parts
Levi Wilson:of our environment around us. Things that we take for granted
Levi Wilson:now, are actually constructed.
Levi Wilson:We're meeting today at a place in English known as Montague
Levi Wilson:Harbor, that I've since come to know as Sum’new’, which means
Levi Wilson:the encircling place or the enclosed place, or something
Levi Wilson:related to that. It is what some people would call a midden I
Levi Wilson:call it a manufactured landscape. It is a site where, I
Levi Wilson:assume, many, many generations of my ancestors have helped
Levi Wilson:cultivate the landscape to promote growth of life, promote
Levi Wilson:safety, in the inner harbor to make this place better over
Levi Wilson:1000s and 1000s of years.
Levi Wilson:You can see here where the original part of the land was.
Levi Wilson:And then above it have been centuries and centuries and
Levi Wilson:centuries of deposits of various shells, other refuse that people
Levi Wilson:call — that archaeologists in particular call midden. But it's
Levi Wilson:not just a dumping ground. This wasn't just "we have all this
Levi Wilson:garbage, and we need somewhere to put it". It was "we have all
Levi Wilson:this stuff that can help us turn this environment into something
Levi Wilson:that's more practical, more powerful, more plentiful for
Levi Wilson:everybody that's coming later".
Levi Wilson:It's that type of mentality that shifts from "what do I need to
Levi Wilson:do to get rid of the stuff that I have now", to "how can I help
Levi Wilson:all of the future generations". All the people that dumped stuff
Levi Wilson:here that that created this landscape that put these layers
Levi Wilson:and layers and layers across the entirety of what's now the park
Levi Wilson:would never have benefited from what they were creating. It took
Levi Wilson:centuries after they finished dumping for to actually turn it
Levi Wilson:into the type of kind of for environment that is needed. And
Levi Wilson:so it's that long term, long care thought that goes into it
Levi Wilson:that that has made this place ancestrally so powerful, special
Levi Wilson:and important.
Levi Wilson:When we say we claim it, we don't have full claim to every
Levi Wilson:square inch of the island. That is colonial way of thinking that
Levi Wilson:is not the traditional way of thinking, you know, throw a
Levi Wilson:blanket over everything and say that that's yours. You have
Levi Wilson:different rights and responsibilities in different
Levi Wilson:places, it's part of the seasonal round. And that
Levi Wilson:seasonal round overlaps, where even at different times of the
Levi Wilson:year different peoples will have connection. That's why — that's
Levi Wilson:why a place like Galliano can have 37 different first nations
Levi Wilson:that have some form of claim. And it gets really complicated
Levi Wilson:if you only view the island as one whole thing separate from
Levi Wilson:the other islands around it.
Wilson Henry:So we're going to talk about what it means to be
Wilson Henry:an island — to be separated and to be connected. To do that,
Wilson Henry:we're going to take a snapshot of how people live here and see
Wilson Henry:what we can learn from the footprints we make, and the
Wilson Henry:fingerprints we leave behind
Wilson Henry:From Future Ecologies, this is an island unto itself.
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Wilson Henry:I won't be hosting this alone, by the way. Mendel
Wilson Henry:is here too.
Mendel Skulski:Hey. Wait... where's Adam?
Wilson Henry:Well, Adam is on the other side of the
Wilson Henry:microphone, this episode. He's going to be a subject, not a
Wilson Henry:host.
Mendel Skulski:Okay. Why is that?
Wilson Henry:Well, Adam is a bit close to the story. Let's
Wilson Henry:just say.
Mendel Skulski:He's part of it.
Wilson Henry:Yeah.
Mendel Skulski:We get to talk about it.
Wilson Henry:Yeah.
Mendel Skulski:What is it? What's the story?
Wilson Henry:Well, it's a story about these little microcosms
Wilson Henry:that we call islands.
Adam Huggins:Islands have been the kinds of places where people
Adam Huggins:have learned things about the world that they couldn't learn
Adam Huggins:other ways. I think the most famous example is with Darwin,
Adam Huggins:and his finches on the Galapagos.
Wilson Henry:It was those finches and their diversity of
Wilson Henry:beak shapes, for different foods on different islands, that
Wilson Henry:played a key role in Darwin's theory of natural selection.
Adam Huggins:I didn't grow up on an island, I grew up in
Adam Huggins:suburbia. Galiano feels a lot less isolated than the suburban
Adam Huggins:communities that I grew up in, in many ways. It's connected to
Adam Huggins:all of the other islands in the archipelago we live in and all
Adam Huggins:the other communities around it.
Wilson Henry:And this, of course, is Adam.
Adam Huggins:Listeners may recognize my voice. I am the
Adam Huggins:restoration coordinator for the Galileo conservancy when I'm not
Adam Huggins:doing Future Ecologies, and I guess I'm responsible for this,
Adam Huggins:this project [laughs]
Mendel Skulski:Very mysterious. What... what is this project?
Wilson Henry:Well, it's called the One Island, One Earth
Wilson Henry:project.
Mendel Skulski:Very catchy.
Wilson Henry:Yeah. And it's about measuring the ecological
Wilson Henry:footprint of Galiano Island,
Mendel Skulski:Okay. Is this the point where I find out what
Mendel Skulski:an ecological footprint is?
Wilson Henry:It is! Okay. So, an ecological footprint is the
Wilson Henry:amount of resource-producing land that is needed to support a
Wilson Henry:person, a community, a nation activity, whatever. It's an area
Wilson Henry:of land that represents what they consume, in terms of food
Wilson Henry:and materials, and also what is needed to sequester the carbon
Wilson Henry:dioxide waste that they produce. An ecological footprint is
Wilson Henry:measured in global hectares.
Mendel Skulski:What is a global hectare?! ...what is a hectare?
Wilson Henry:Okay, so a hectare is a square. That's 100 meters
Wilson Henry:by 100 meters.
Mendel Skulski:Oh, it's metric.
Wilson Henry:Yeah.
Mendel Skulski:So what is a global hectare?
Wilson Henry:A global hectare is equivalent to a hectare of
Wilson Henry:land with the average biological productivity in a given year.
Wilson Henry:That is of primary producers — plants, in other words.
Mendel Skulski:Okay, so a hectare is just like, an area.
Wilson Henry:Yeah.
Mendel Skulski:10,000 square meters.
Wilson Henry:Yeah.
Mendel Skulski:But a global hectare is a hectare with some
Mendel Skulski:plants on it.
Wilson Henry:Yeah.
Mendel Skulski:And the amount of plants is somewhere, kind of
Mendel Skulski:in the exact middle between, like, the Gobi desert and the
Mendel Skulski:Amazon.
Wilson Henry:Kinda.
Mendel Skulski:Kinda.
Wilson Henry:Yeah.
Mendel Skulski:It's like the average productive hectare.
Wilson Henry:Exactly. So you know, if you're trying to
Wilson Henry:measure your ecological footprint and planted hectares,
Wilson Henry:you wouldn't really be able to find an answer, because it would
Wilson Henry:very much depend on where the hectare was. So using the unit
Wilson Henry:of global hectares kind of removes that problem.
Mendel Skulski:Gotcha.
Wilson Henry:So your footprint is the consumptive side of the
equation:How much of this average productive area we use
equation:on an annual basis to support our lifestyles. The other side
equation:of this equation is called Biocapacity.
Mendel Skulski:We're getting a lot of definitions right off the
Mendel Skulski:top.
Wilson Henry:Oh, yeah.
Mendel Skulski:What is biocapacity?
Wilson Henry:So, the most succinct way to put it is that
Wilson Henry:it's the ability of any given area on Earth to produce
Wilson Henry:resources that us humans need to live our lives and also to
Wilson Henry:assimilate our carbon dioxide waste.
Mendel Skulski:Just us humans.
Wilson Henry:Yeah, that's actually one of the explicit
Wilson Henry:limitations of the ecological footprinting process. It's only
Wilson Henry:concerned with human needs.
Mendel Skulski:Okay...
Wilson Henry:So to understand biocapacity, we can kind of use
Wilson Henry:a money metaphor.
Mendel Skulski:Alright?
Wilson Henry:Imagine an area of land is your bank account?
Mendel Skulski:Sure.
Wilson Henry:And then what grows and reproduces on that
Wilson Henry:land every year is the interest.
Mendel Skulski:...Got it.
Wilson Henry:So you could live without depleting any savings,
Wilson Henry:just by gathering that interest and living off that interest
Wilson Henry:every year. But if you withdraw more than you're making on
Wilson Henry:interest every year, eventually, you're gonna run out. So the
Wilson Henry:biocapacity is the interest. It's what regrows every year.
Wilson Henry:And your ecological footprint is how much you take out of the
Wilson Henry:bank account.
Mendel Skulski:Okay, cool. This is making sense.
Wilson Henry:Great. So dealing with these numbers, global
Wilson Henry:hectares of biocapacity, global hectares of ecological
Wilson Henry:footprint, it can start to feel a bit abstract.
Mendel Skulski:Right? I mean, I, I have no idea how many
Mendel Skulski:global hectares I'm consuming, let alone how many should be
Mendel Skulski:consuming,
Wilson Henry:You're not alone. So to make it a little easier to
Wilson Henry:comprehend, you can convert your footprint to Earth equivalents.
Wilson Henry:Or in other words, how many Planet Earths we would need if
Wilson Henry:everyone lived the same way as you or your community.
Mendel Skulski:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, that is
Mendel Skulski:probably more than one Earth for most of us.
Wilson Henry:Oh, yeah. Certainly, most of us listening
Wilson Henry:to this podcast right now.
Mendel Skulski:So what is a fair share? How many global
Mendel Skulski:hectares can my footprint be if I'm shooting for, you know
Mendel Skulski:exactly one earth?
Wilson Henry:Well, if you take the biocapacity of the entire
Wilson Henry:Earth, which counts all the land and the continental shelves, and
Wilson Henry:divide it by the number of people living on the planet, you
Wilson Henry:get just over 1.5 global hectares per person, at least as
Wilson Henry:of 2021.
Mendel Skulski:Oh, interesting. There's just kind of a nice
Mendel Skulski:mnemonic there, right? Like, we're aiming for less than 1.5
Mendel Skulski:degrees of warming, relative to pre industrial levels. And we
Mendel Skulski:should also be aiming for 1.5 global hectares per person.
Wilson Henry:Yeah, well, maximum. And on that note, we're
Wilson Henry:currently at 1.2 degrees.
Mendel Skulski:Yeah, I guess we're all on one big, finite
Mendel Skulski:island. But this whole thing sounds a lot like a concept that
Mendel Skulski:I that I have heard of, and that is carrying capacity. Right?
Mendel Skulski:Like we're talking about how many people Planet Earth can
Mendel Skulski:support. Isn't this kind of the same thing?
Michelle Thompson:Carrying capacity is a tool that is more
Michelle Thompson:commonly used for animal populations — knowing how much
Michelle Thompson:space they need, and those types of things. Applying that to
Michelle Thompson:humans is, I want to say, impossible. Our consumption
Michelle Thompson:patterns are so different and so far from each other. Think of
Michelle Thompson:what I would use day to day, compared to millionaire day to
Michelle Thompson:day. We can't just create a carrying capacity based on that.
Wilson Henry:This is Michelle Thompson
Michelle Thompson:And I'm currently the One Island One
Michelle Thompson:Earth coordinator at the Galiano Conservancy.
Wilson Henry:The goal of the One Island One Earth project is
Wilson Henry:to do a first of its kind ecological footprinting and
Wilson Henry:biocapacity survey for Galiano. Adam started the project, got
Wilson Henry:the funding, and is kind of the spokesperson. But Michelle
Wilson Henry:basically did all the work on the One Island One Earth Project
Wilson Henry:[suppressed laughter]
Mendel Skulski:[Laughing] I'm familiar with this relationship.
Mendel Skulski:Just kidding. Just kidding. Adam is a big overachiever.
Adam Huggins:The other point about carrying capacity is it's
Adam Huggins:looking at a given population of animals within a specific area
Adam Huggins:and all of the resources available to them in that area.
Adam Huggins:The thing about people is that we don't rely on the resources
Adam Huggins:just in our local areas. In fact, oftentimes, we hardly rely
Adam Huggins:on any of the resources in our local areas. Galiano Island is
Adam Huggins:an example of a community where people who lived here up until
Adam Huggins:very recently derived a lot of their basic needs from the lands
Adam Huggins:and waters here. And now, derive very little of them, right?
Adam Huggins:Maybe more so than than your average city dweller, but that's
Adam Huggins:a big change. And so you can essentially have as many people
Adam Huggins:as you want, almost living in an area if you're importing all of
Adam Huggins:their basic needs from elsewhere.
Mendel Skulski:Right... okay, so you're you're outsourcing
Mendel Skulski:your biocapacity. When you're not using the things that are
Mendel Skulski:local, you're bringing them in.
Wilson Henry:Totally. And those things that you bring in still
Wilson Henry:show up under ecological footprint, right? So ecological
Wilson Henry:footprint and carrying capacity aren't the same thing. But even
Wilson Henry:though they're different, it was that question — of "do humans
Wilson Henry:even have a carrying capacity" that gave rise to the concept of
Wilson Henry:the ecological footprint in the first place.
Wilson Henry:Well, it all started with having come to UBC as a
Wilson Henry:wet-behind-the-ears ecologist, I thought I had a lot of answers
Wilson Henry:as to the nature of the growing human dilemma that we, you know,
Wilson Henry:we call the environmental crisis.
Wilson Henry:This is Dr. William Rees, professor emeritus of Community
Wilson Henry:and Regional Planning at the University of British Columbia.
Wilson Henry:But although I taught and was even the director of the
Wilson Henry:planning school for a number of years, I'm a population
Wilson Henry:ecologist. The ecological footprint analysis was one of
Wilson Henry:the things that I originated and co-developed with a variety of
Wilson Henry:my students. That's it, that's all you need to know about that.
Mendel Skulski:No wait! I want to know more. Why did they
Mendel Skulski:decide to invent the footprint,
Wilson Henry:I kept running up against colleagues who were
Wilson Henry:economists. So for example, at one point, I had given a seminar
Wilson Henry:on the concept of human carrying capacity: the idea that at any
Wilson Henry:given standard of living the earth, or any territory, such as
Wilson Henry:Galliano island can support only so many people. And I was taken
Wilson Henry:aside after that talk by a very senior Canadian resource
Wilson Henry:economist. And what he was arguing was that economics had
Wilson Henry:abolished the concept of carrying capacity. Because after
Wilson Henry:all, human ingenuity could substitute for nature.
Mendel Skulski:Right. This is that whole technocratic kind of
Mendel Skulski:argument that we... we adapt, and we overcome, and we escape
Mendel Skulski:those animal limitations.
Wilson Henry:Totally. But William and his students didn't
Wilson Henry:see it that way. So they used footprinting as a way to make a
Wilson Henry:simple point.
Wilson Henry:On Earth today, there are about 12 and a half billion hectares
Wilson Henry:of biologically or ecologically productive land. The human
Wilson Henry:ecological footprint is 20 billion hectares. So we're using
Wilson Henry:the earth as if it were about 75% larger than it actually is.
Wilson Henry:But even a child would ask how can you use something that isn't
Wilson Henry:there?
Mendel Skulski:Oh, it's me... the child. Yeah, okay.
Wilson Henry:And the answer is because we're depleting
Wilson Henry:accumulated assets, so that as we destroy the soils, as we
Wilson Henry:wreck the tropical forests, as we pollute the oceans as the
Wilson Henry:dead zones increased, Earth is in effect, shrinking. The
Wilson Henry:availability of really useful productive assets is getting
Wilson Henry:smaller, even as the total demand by the human population,
Wilson Henry:and growing incomes is getting larger.
Wilson Henry:So just because we can't measure carrying capacity for humans in
Wilson Henry:the way that we do for other animals, doesn't mean that we
Wilson Henry:don't depend on, or have a measurable impact on our
Wilson Henry:environment. We might escape resource limitations at a local
Wilson Henry:or even regional level, but we can't outrun them forever, at
Wilson Henry:the planetary level.
Wilson Henry:So that's the ecological footprint in a nutshell. But
Wilson Henry:remember, this episode is also about islands.
Beate Ratter:These little pieces of land surrounded by
Beate Ratter:water, which you can describe as being isolated, but through the
Beate Ratter:water being connected to each other. And I think this
Beate Ratter:in-between, which is not the one and not the other is just
Beate Ratter:fascinating.
Wilson Henry:This is Dr. Beata Ratter.
Beate Ratter:Yeah, I'm Professor of integrated
Beate Ratter:Geography at the University of Hamburg in Germany. And I'm
Beate Ratter:dedicated to research coastal areas and small islands.
Wilson Henry:So, Mendel...
Mendel Skulski:Wil.
Wilson Henry:When you think of an island, what comes to mind?
Mendel Skulski:Oh, you know, an island is like, a hill in the
Mendel Skulski:middle of the ocean. Out here, you need to get to it by a ferry
Mendel Skulski:— if you can get to it at all, without your own means. Yeah,
Mendel Skulski:they're, they're kind of separated and in so many
Mendel Skulski:different ways. They're separated socially. They're
Mendel Skulski:separated physically, they're separated economically. And I
Mendel Skulski:think there are just inevitable tensions of being outside the
Mendel Skulski:economic nexus, which is the mainland. But also I think
Mendel Skulski:that's the reason why many people seek it out. So yeah,
Mendel Skulski:that's that's what I think of when I think of islands.
Wilson Henry:Well, Beata has another idea.
Beate Ratter:I think you can have two pictures in your mind:
Beate Ratter:a specific Island, which is this definition, a piece of land
Beate Ratter:surrounded by water, and you think that it's definite and
Beate Ratter:it's exact, and there is a boundary. But if you look
Beate Ratter:closer, there is no real boundary. And there is no real
Beate Ratter:limitation because each island population is specifically
Beate Ratter:identified through the connection to other islands or
Beate Ratter:to the mainland.
Mendel Skulski:Oh, I mean, that's so much like what Levi
Mendel Skulski:was saying at the beginning, right? Like, the water is this
Mendel Skulski:connective tissue. And it's not, not so much just these little
Mendel Skulski:nuclear conceptions of a piece of land all by itself.
Wilson Henry:Yeah.
Mendel Skulski:I really appreciate that framing.
Wilson Henry:Well get ready, because in her recent book,
Wilson Henry:Beata makes the case that in a way, an island is really a kind
Wilson Henry:of mental construct.
Beate Ratter:For example, an oasis in the desert can be an
Beate Ratter:island. And in the original definition, it's not surrounded
Beate Ratter:by water, it's surrounded by sand. But it's still this
Beate Ratter:concept of islandness. The same comes true for villages in high
Beate Ratter:mountains. So they are not surrounded by waters, but
Beate Ratter:villages in the high mountains are some way isolated from other
Beate Ratter:places, but they need to be connected to other places in
Beate Ratter:order to survive. So the mental construct means that it's a
Beate Ratter:definition which happens in your mind, and which is not a
Beate Ratter:geographical definition of an island.
Mendel Skulski:We create islandness. Islands don't just
Mendel Skulski:exist... out there.
Wilson Henry:Yep.
Mendel Skulski:That's amazing.
Wilson Henry:We're standing on a mental construct right now.
Wilson Henry:And Beata loves to challenge other stereotypes about islands.
Wilson Henry:For one, the idea that people who live there are somehow
Wilson Henry:special, the so called "Noble Islanders".
Beate Ratter:There is no Noble Islander, they're just as normal
Beate Ratter:people. They are not behaving better or worse than
Beate Ratter:Mainlanders. But small communities, either on islands
Beate Ratter:or on the mainland, have bonds and have close bonds. So yes, if
Beate Ratter:you ask me, there is isolation, but it's relative. And it's not
Beate Ratter:definitely all small islands are isolated. If you think in the
Beate Ratter:Pacific region, for example, the people in former times they
Beate Ratter:learned to travel by sea, and they connected the whole area.
Beate Ratter:It's this understanding of we are a sea of islands. And I
Beate Ratter:think that explains it very much that you do not necessarily be
Beate Ratter:isolated or feel isolated, if you have the means to be
Beate Ratter:connected. And if you have your lifestyle to be connected to
Beate Ratter:other places.
Wilson Henry:Besides her knowledge of islands, I'm
Wilson Henry:introducing you to Beate because of an ecological footprinting
Wilson Henry:project she did in 2009.
Beate Ratter:So I was dreaming of doing such an ecological
Beate Ratter:footprint calculation on a Island.
Mendel Skulski:Sounds familiar.
Wilson Henry:Yeah. Except this was the first time anyone had
Wilson Henry:done such a thing. Because it's not exactly a trivial exercise.
Wilson Henry:The raw data that you need isn't just laying around. So Beate
Wilson Henry:chose her Island carefully. A tiny German community in the
Wilson Henry:North Sea, called Helgoland.
Beate Ratter:Many people dream of going once in their life to
Beate Ratter:Helgoland — based on its history, and based on its
Beate Ratter:location
Wilson Henry:Helgoland has a kind of mythic, rugged history
Wilson Henry:in German culture. Today, it's actually got almost the same
population as Galiano:around 1200 people, but it's much much
population as Galiano:denser since the whole island is less than two square kilometers.
population as Galiano:For centuries, it was known as a pirates hideaway. As a
population as Galiano:territory, it was officially possessed by Denmark, Britain,
population as Galiano:and then eventually Germany, and usually put towards tactical
population as Galiano:military ends. Then, towards the end of World War Two, the island
population as Galiano:was effectively flattened by bombing campaigns.
Mendel Skulski:Oh, scary.
Wilson Henry:Yeah. And that's actually part of the reason why
Wilson Henry:Helgoland was an interesting place for Beate to make the
Wilson Henry:first ecological footprint of an island. It's culturally German,
Wilson Henry:but all the infrastructure is basically brand new. I mean, in
Wilson Henry:European terms — new as of 1950. And that's not the only thing
Wilson Henry:that made it a little more straightforward to study
Beate Ratter:Helgoland is so small, that you have no car
Beate Ratter:traffic in Hagar land, you walk around or you take a bicycle,
Beate Ratter:you do not need a car, then we are in temperate climate, you do
Beate Ratter:not need an air condition.
Wilson Henry:And that's not all. Basically, no food is grown
Wilson Henry:on Helgoland. Everything the islanders eat is imported. Their
Wilson Henry:drinking water came from a desalination plant, and their
Wilson Henry:electricity was from a diesel generator.
Mendel Skulski:Right. Okay, so it's about as close to a closed
Mendel Skulski:system as you could hope for
Wilson Henry:Exactly. Although the economy of Helgoland is
Wilson Henry:largely driven by tourism, so once again, isolated but
Wilson Henry:connected.
Mendel Skulski:All right, so we've got this perfect little
Mendel Skulski:demonstration plot for studying the footprint of islands. What
Mendel Skulski:did she find? Was Helgoland, like, a tiny bastion of
Mendel Skulski:sustainability?
Beate Ratter:The footprint in the end, as we calculated was
Beate Ratter:6.8 hectares per capita, which is beyond Berlin, way beyond the
Beate Ratter:world,
Wilson Henry:That's 1.1 global hectares more than the average
Wilson Henry:German citizen. In 2009. The people of Helgoland were living
Wilson Henry:like we had almost four Earths of biocapacity.
Mendel Skulski:Wow. And that's assuming that all of it is for
Mendel Skulski:people.
Wilson Henry:Yeah...
Mendel Skulski:That we are entitled to the the total bio
Mendel Skulski:capacity of the Earth.
Wilson Henry:Yeah. And at that time, the world average
Wilson Henry:ecological footprint was 2.7 global hectares per person, or
Wilson Henry:just over one and a half Earths
Mendel Skulski:Islands... Not so idyllic, after all.
Wilson Henry:No, but it's a data point, right? A snapshot in
Wilson Henry:time. Because if you want to live more sustainably tomorrow,
Wilson Henry:it's important to look at how you're living right now. And
Wilson Henry:where you can improve. And so really, this study is the reason
Wilson Henry:why we're talking about islands at all.
Adam Huggins:Yeah, it was looking at Dr. Beate Ratter's
Adam Huggins:work on the little island of Helgoland in Germany that
Adam Huggins:sparked it for us here.
Mendel Skulski:Okay so, Adam got inspired and borrowed the
Mendel Skulski:concept for this island.
Wilson Henry:That's right.
Mendel Skulski:And here we are.
Wilson Henry:Here we are.
Mendel Skulski:So Helgoland 6.8 global hectares, and the world
Mendel Skulski:average is 2.7.
Wilson Henry:In 2009, yeah.
Mendel Skulski:Okay. So, thanks to Adam, Michelle, their
Mendel Skulski:collaborators. We have an idea where Galiano sits. Where does
Mendel Skulski:Galiano sit? What's... what's the number?
Wilson Henry:[Long pause] We'll get to that...
Mendel Skulski:No!
Wilson Henry:Right after the break.
Mendel Skulski:No!!
Wilson Henry:Welcome back, I'm Wil, this is Mendel, and you're
Wilson Henry:listening to Future Ecologies. Today we're talking about
Wilson Henry:ecological footprints, we're talking about islands, and we're
Wilson Henry:talking about the ecological footprint of Galiano Island.
Mendel Skulski:The numbers! Come on, give me the results. Is
Mendel Skulski:this hippie-dippie island paradise just an illusion?
Adam Huggins:You asked for numbers I'm gonna give you some
Adam Huggins:numbers.
Wilson Henry:Future Ecologies regular, Adam Huggins, wearing
Wilson Henry:his day job hat at the Galiano Conservancy. Drumroll please.
Adam Huggins:We learned that if every human community in the
Adam Huggins:world had the same footprint as the Galiano Island community
Adam Huggins:does, we'd need the equivalent of 4.3 Earth's to support us
Adam Huggins:all.
Mendel Skulski:Yikes.
Adam Huggins:If we're speaking the language of global hectares,
Adam Huggins:the Galiano Island community requires an average of 6.8
Adam Huggins:global hectares per person in 2021. That is the exact same
Adam Huggins:amount of global hectares that Helgoland required about a
Adam Huggins:decade ago.
Mendel Skulski:Hmm, that's a pretty wild coincidence.
Wilson Henry:It is. And it should be said that since then,
Wilson Henry:the community of Helgoland has made great strides to reduce
Wilson Henry:their footprint and live more sustainably. But for Galiano,
Wilson Henry:the story gets worse. Not only is this a big footprint, it's
Wilson Henry:bigger than what the island could even hypothetically
Wilson Henry:provide.
Mendel Skulski:Like, even if it were that mythical island unto
Mendel Skulski:itself, it still wouldn't be enough.
Wilson Henry:Yeah.
Adam Huggins:Our footprint is smaller than the average
Adam Huggins:Canadian footprint, but larger than the footprint of nearby
Adam Huggins:urban communities like Vancouver and Victoria, and significantly
Adam Huggins:larger than what would be consistent with an equitable and
Adam Huggins:sustainable footprint at a planetary scale. And even for
Adam Huggins:the scale of the island.
Mendel Skulski:Wait, just a second. Before the break, you
Mendel Skulski:said that the Helgoland footprint was the equivalent of
Mendel Skulski:four Earths right?
Wilson Henry:Yeah.
Mendel Skulski:How can Galiano's be 4.3 Earth's if it's
Mendel Skulski:exactly the same number of global hectares?
Wilson Henry:Well, you have to remember that these are always
Wilson Henry:snapshots in time. To get that Earth equivalent number you take
Wilson Henry:the global hectare per capita of a community and you divide it by
Wilson Henry:the global hectares that are available for every human being
Wilson Henry:on the planet.
Adam Huggins:And you know that number changes, because the
Adam Huggins:human population of the planet is growing. And so if you had
Adam Huggins:the same amount of biocapacity and a growing population, you
Adam Huggins:still have less per person over time.
Wilson Henry:So every year, a single global hectare becomes
Wilson Henry:more valuable in a sense — as your fair share of the Earth's
Wilson Henry:biocapacity shrinks.
Adam Huggins:And that's because of human population growth. But
Adam Huggins:it's also because of environmental degradation.
Adam Huggins:Right? When you're overspending the Earth's resources. when
Adam Huggins:you're in overshoot, you're by definition, drawing down that,
Adam Huggins:you know, biocapital. You're liquidating ecosystems, and
Adam Huggins:you're reducing the planet's ability to support us.
Mendel Skulski:Eeesh... overshoot... that kind of says
Mendel Skulski:it all.
Wilson Henry:Yeah, it's actually a technical term in the
Wilson Henry:world of ecological footprints. There's even a day: Earth
Wilson Henry:Overshoot Day — when the planet as a whole consumes more than
Wilson Henry:its biocapacity for the year.
Mendel Skulski:Uhhh... when is that?
Wilson Henry:We'll be there soon, actually, probably before
Wilson Henry:this episode comes out. I think this year, it's expected to be
Wilson Henry:at the end of July.
Mendel Skulski:But this question of overpopulation is
Mendel Skulski:pretty fraught, right? Like, if you start talking about making
Mendel Skulski:policy around birth rates, it's... it's easy to see why
Mendel Skulski:that's like.... fascistic.
Wilson Henry:Oh, absolutely. I mean, the question quickly
Wilson Henry:becomes "who shouldn't be here?" As in "who shouldn't be alive?"
Wilson Henry:And I don't think anybody should have the power to answer that.
Mendel Skulski:Ne neither. At least... outside of a one-womb
Mendel Skulski:radius?
Wilson Henry:Yes, we are pro bodily autonomy and pro choice
Wilson Henry:here.
Mendel Skulski:Yes.
Wilson Henry:But when it comes to measuring footprints, the
Wilson Henry:math is pretty clear.
Wilson Henry:The ecological footprint of a population is the product of two
things:the size of that population multiplied by the
things:average per capita consumption. So in simple arithmetic, they're
things:equivalent. Nobody wants to talk about population growth. It's a
things:taboo subject still.
things:Once again, this is Dr. William Reese, who co-invented this
things:whole eco footprint thing. And to be clear, he's not advocating
things:for any kind of coercive population control. But in his
things:opinion, we can't just avoid the problem. Of course, population
things:makes a much bigger difference, where the per capita footprint
things:is already high, which basically tracks with wealth.
things:Reducing the population of Canada by 10, would be the
things:equivalent of reducing the population in India by say, 60,
things:or some such number. Because the fewer rich people there are the
things:far better off the planet is in relative terms.
things:But stopping short of eating the rich —
Mendel Skulski:Oh... okay.
Wilson Henry:— I would say we don't have that many levers to
Wilson Henry:pull, or at least, that I think we want to pull, to reduce
Wilson Henry:population in any kind of coordinated way. Instead, I
Wilson Henry:think we need to put our focus on what we can change in this
Wilson Henry:generation,
Mendel Skulski:Such as? Like, how can we bring that per capita
Mendel Skulski:footprint down?
Wilson Henry:Well, that's exactly the point of doing the
measurement:to see where you can make the biggest impact in
measurement:your community. So let's break down the 4.3 Earths that go into
measurement:Galiano's footprint.
Adam Huggins:Right off the bat, about 1.4 of those Earths is
Adam Huggins:just the Galiano Island population's fair share of the
Adam Huggins:footprint of the Canadian government. So that is like the
Adam Huggins:provinces and the federal government, all the services
Adam Huggins:that they provide health care, military, police, the
Adam Huggins:administrative state, all that kind of stuff has a footprint
Adam Huggins:that's already larger than one planet, if you look at it at a
Adam Huggins:population scale.
Mendel Skulski:Yikes. Okay, so Galliano is already in
Mendel Skulski:overshoot, before we even get to the island, just from the
Mendel Skulski:services of the state.
Wilson Henry:Yeah.
Mendel Skulski:That's not exactly something local
Mendel Skulski:communities have any control over though. And it's like 40%
Mendel Skulski:of Galliano's whole footprint.
Wilson Henry:Yeah, that definitely falls into the 'big
Wilson Henry:systems change' bucket. But if you look at it in another way,
Wilson Henry:there are almost two thirds that can be changed just by the way
Wilson Henry:people live their lives. And that brings me to another famous
Wilson Henry:use of the word footprint.
Wilson Henry:So, Mendel...
Mendel Skulski:Wil.
Wilson Henry:What do you think of when you hear the words
Wilson Henry:"carbon footprint"?
Mendel Skulski:I think it's a good rhetorical device to make
Mendel Skulski:us feel individually responsible for things that are systemic.
Wilson Henry:Do you know where that term comes from?
Mendel Skulski:I don't, actually. Which... which came
Mendel Skulski:first the ecological footprint or the carbon footprint?
Wilson Henry:The ecological footprint came first in 1992.
Wilson Henry:William Rees intended it as a way of looking at whole
Wilson Henry:communities, and includes carbon as I mentioned. The personal
Wilson Henry:carbon footprint was invented in 2005 by none other than British
Wilson Henry:Petroleum.
Mendel Skulski:BP?
Wilson Henry:Yeah.
Mendel Skulski:Biggest marine oil spill in the history of the
Mendel Skulski:world BP?
Wilson Henry:Yeah, that was Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of
Wilson Henry:Mexico in 2010.
Mendel Skulski:Yeah, well, that tracks.
Wilson Henry:But just a few years earlier, they had coined
Wilson Henry:this term carbon footprint as a part of a public relations
Wilson Henry:campaign, which, like you were saying before, puts the
Wilson Henry:responsibility to reduce carbon waste on the individual and
Wilson Henry:masks the responsibility of this large oil company. While making
Wilson Henry:it seem like they care about this kind of thing, right?
Mendel Skulski:Yeah. We made it measurable. And we made it your
Mendel Skulski:problem.
Wilson Henry:Exactly. So you can use footprint measurements
in lots of different ways:you can use them to feel individual
in lots of different ways:guilt, blame or shame — you know, like when billionaires use
in lots of different ways:their private jets to commute across town. But they're just as
in lots of different ways:useful, I think, in showing things that people could do
in lots of different ways:collectively. It really just depends on the framing. So let's
in lots of different ways:get back to Galliano and see what can affect the biggest
in lots of different ways:change.
Adam Huggins:It's stuff like our transportation,
Adam Huggins:transportation is by far and away the biggest chunk of the
Adam Huggins:community level footprint, right? The footprint minus the
Adam Huggins:government services,
Wilson Henry:Just looking at the 2.6 Earth's in that
Wilson Henry:community level footprint, transportation accounts for 40%
Wilson Henry:of it — almost half.
Mendel Skulski:Okay, so people drive, people fly, and people
Mendel Skulski:use the ferry, right? Which should be the priority?
Wilson Henry:It's actually a pretty even split. Each of those
Wilson Henry:counts for about 1/3 of the transportation footprint.
Adam Huggins:And there's nuance in there, too. We found that
Adam Huggins:Galiano islanders drive a lot less than people from the
Adam Huggins:surrounding urban communities, but we're ferry dependent. And
Adam Huggins:so the ferries add just a huge chunk on there. So of course,
Adam Huggins:electrifying the ferries would be a huge deal.
Wilson Henry:And interestingly, while they drive less, Galiano
Wilson Henry:folks are flying almost twice as much as the BC average.
Mendel Skulski:Okay, so electrify everything and fly a
Mendel Skulski:lot less. Easy.
Wilson Henry:[Laughs] Yes, everyone should definitely do
Wilson Henry:that. With the climate crisis as urgent as it is, anytime you can
Wilson Henry:replace fossil fuels with electricity, it's a good thing.
Adam Huggins:If people are weighing whether they should
Adam Huggins:electrify their heating, if they're on fossil fuels, versus
Adam Huggins:whether they should install solar panels. Well, if you can
Adam Huggins:afford to do both, great. But if you can only afford to do one,
Adam Huggins:electrify your heating first, right? We worry about the
Adam Huggins:electrification first, and then the source of that renewable
Adam Huggins:energy second,
Wilson Henry:But this is also a great example of the limits of
Wilson Henry:an ecological footprint analysis. Here's Michelle
Wilson Henry:Thompson again.
Unknown:How we get our electricity here in BC is, from
Unknown:an ecological footprint perspective (I'm going to do air
Unknown:quotes) "cleaner" than if we were to live in Alberta, because
Unknown:it's a lot more heavy on on fossil fuel usage for things
Unknown:like electric heating, and all that type of stuff. But what it
Unknown:doesn't account for is the damage that dams do in those
Unknown:communities. The disruption of those areas, species that it
Unknown:affects is not measured within this.
Wilson Henry:Dams and hydropower are low carbon, so
Wilson Henry:they look great on ecological footprint, but they have lots of
Wilson Henry:other consequences.
Mendel Skulski:Can I plug our two-part series on dams from
Mendel Skulski:season one?
Wilson Henry:Are those the ones where you pretended to be fish?
Mendel Skulski:[Laughs] Those are episodes 9 and 10. But yeah,
Mendel Skulski:dams are bad for salmon. They're bad for estuaries. They're bad
Mendel Skulski:for rivers, in general.
Wilson Henry:Totally. So these numbers can tell us something's
Wilson Henry:important things, but they can't tell us everything. Another big
Wilson Henry:limitation of the ecological footprint is how it considers
Wilson Henry:drinking water. This footprint calculation only counts the
Wilson Henry:infrastructure, the building materials and like the literal
Wilson Henry:area used up.
Adam Huggins:But for a small rural community where people
Adam Huggins:have individual wells on individual properties, the
Adam Huggins:materials involved in that are are not very significant. And so
Adam Huggins:it looks like we have no footprint for our water. But we
Adam Huggins:are using a lot of water as a community on an island that is
Adam Huggins:quite droughty. So we have this conundrum where you know, the
Adam Huggins:ecological footprint says you should densify your community
Adam Huggins:because you're taking up too much space per person. And on
Adam Huggins:the other hand, we have a lot of communities here where they're
Adam Huggins:already using too much water. And you know, thankfully, there
Adam Huggins:are technologies such as rainwater harvesting, that can
Adam Huggins:help address that. But you know, there are other considerations
Adam Huggins:that the ecological footprint is blind to that we have to make as
Adam Huggins:a community.
Wilson Henry:Every Island is unique after all. So how can you
Wilson Henry:take this kind of rigid framework and make it right for
Wilson Henry:where you live?
Mendel Skulski:I have no idea.
Wilson Henry:By doing what Beate Ratter calls an ecological
Wilson Henry:fingerprint.
Mendel Skulski:Nice. How do you measure a fingerprint?
Beate Ratter:You do not measure. You describe.
Wilson Henry:An ecological fingerprint is exactly what it
Wilson Henry:sounds like. It's the identity of that place. The story, the
Wilson Henry:attitudes and values. And unlike the footprint, there isn't a
Wilson Henry:recipe.
Adam Huggins:There was really no roadmap for it. But we
Adam Huggins:decided that it would be a combination of, of course,
Adam Huggins:surveys of the community — asking questions, basic
Adam Huggins:questions — but also interviewing old timers, elders,
Adam Huggins:indigenous people who've been around a really long time and
Adam Huggins:can remember a lot of the changes that have occurred here.
Adam Huggins:We interviewed people who remember the very first
Adam Huggins:electrification events on the island before there was any
Adam Huggins:public utility or anything like that, you know, somebody bought
Adam Huggins:a generator that was too large for their own needs, and said to
Adam Huggins:their neighbors, "Well, I'll sell you some power. Let's
Adam Huggins:string up some lines." And they would just go out, and they
Adam Huggins:built a utility that way. This is back when they were heating
Adam Huggins:the one room schoolhouse with oil drums. We found people who
Adam Huggins:can remember much farther back than that,
Wilson Henry:That interview with Levi Wilson from the top —
Wilson Henry:It's just one of 23 different interviews that capture the
Wilson Henry:fingerprint of the island. And unsurprisingly, the story of
Wilson Henry:Galiano depends on who you ask. Like anywhere. It's varied and
Wilson Henry:complex, but one event stands out in defining the shape of the
Wilson Henry:island as it is today.
Mendel Skulski:What happened?
Wilson Henry:Well, to make a really, really long story short,
Wilson Henry:in the 1970s, this massive forestry company, Macmillan
Wilson Henry:Bloedel
Mendel Skulski:Like, Bloedel conservatory? Where Adam and I
Mendel Skulski:visited that stinky flower.
Wilson Henry:The very same. At that time, MacMillan Bloedel.
Wilson Henry:Literally owned more than half of the land base of Galiano
Wilson Henry:Island.
Mendel Skulski:Half!?
Wilson Henry:Yeah. And they had a lot of goodwill from the
Wilson Henry:community. Not only were there jobs in this regional forestry
Wilson Henry:economy, the company was also bankrolling all sorts of local
Wilson Henry:resources, like the fire department.
Mendel Skulski:And kind of like the Conservatory in Vancouver.
Wilson Henry:Yeah, you could say that. But then in the late
Wilson Henry:70s, they decided to liquidate all their forestry holdings on
Wilson Henry:the island,
Mendel Skulski:Liquidate?
Wilson Henry:As in harvest all at once — clear cut.
Mendel Skulski:Oh, how did that go down?
Wilson Henry:Not great. But for a few different reasons.
Wilson Henry:Environmentalists were obviously not happy about it. But more
Wilson Henry:significantly, there was backlash from folks who simply
Wilson Henry:thought that clear cutting was bad long term timber management.
Wilson Henry:It wasn't that they were against forestry. Not at all. They just
Wilson Henry:didn't want the industry to boom and then inevitably bust. So the
Wilson Henry:community really soured on MacMillan Bloedel. There was an
Wilson Henry:attempt to come to a compromise, allowing logging to proceed
Wilson Henry:without resorting to clear cuts, but it didn't pan out. Huge
Wilson Henry:tracts of the island were logged.
Wilson Henry:Now keep in mind that these forests, although they had been
Wilson Henry:owned by Macmillan Bloedel, they were effectively public spaces.
Wilson Henry:Lots of people would make use of them to harvest firewood or
Wilson Henry:nettles or mushrooms. But after the forests were cleared, the
Wilson Henry:land was sold for private development, and public access
Wilson Henry:was a thing of the past.
Mendel Skulski:That sounds heartbreaking.
Wilson Henry:Yeah, for many people it was. It turned out
Wilson Henry:that MacMillan Bloedel had been planning to develop their
Wilson Henry:holdings into a Whistler Blackcomb-style resort on
Wilson Henry:Galiano, which would be like a big deal and kind of adding
Wilson Henry:insult to injury.
Mendel Skulski:No kidding.
Wilson Henry:But the islanders got organized, they protected
Wilson Henry:some of the most valuable areas, and passed local bylaws to block
Wilson Henry:the development. It got really ugly. There was even a SLAPP
Wilson Henry:lawsuit that went all the way to the Supreme Court of BC. But it
Wilson Henry:worked.
Mendel Skulski:Right, yeah, I don't see a huge Blackcomb
Mendel Skulski:resort anywhere around here.
Wilson Henry:No. So all that was left for MacMillan Bloedel
Wilson Henry:to do was sell their land and leave. But here's where things
get complicated:when they sold, they did so with the explicit
get complicated:pretense that the land could be developed by the new owners.
Mendel Skulski:Oh, so the people who bought the land were
Mendel Skulski:stuck because of those new bylaws.
Wilson Henry:Exactly. And so for a long time, the island
Wilson Henry:community was pretty much split along those lines. You had folks
Wilson Henry:who were frustrated that they couldn't do what they wanted
Wilson Henry:with the land they bought, folks who were gun-shy about any kind
Wilson Henry:of development whatsoever, plus everyone who was displaced by
Wilson Henry:the rapidly shifting resource economy when forestry flamed
Wilson Henry:out. This deadlock is a big part of the reason why Galiano is as
Wilson Henry:spread out and rural as it is today. Which, as we know now,
Wilson Henry:has a major impact on its literal footprint: the amount of
Wilson Henry:land that each resident takes up.
Mendel Skulski:So that's the fingerprint of Galiano.
Wilson Henry:That's a small but significant part of it. And it
Wilson Henry:will definitely inform what kinds of footprint reducing
Wilson Henry:strategies might work best here, because this was not only a
Wilson Henry:formative moment, politically, but it also marked a real shift
Wilson Henry:in the islanders way of life.
Adam Huggins:The people who've lived here — until very
Adam Huggins:recently, but extending back to time immemorial — they fished
Adam Huggins:for sustenance and for trade. They hunted deer and other
Adam Huggins:species, including grouse and black ducks. And they relied on
the forest:the resources that were in the forest, and in more
the forest:recent times for timber. Right? It's really fishing, hunting and
the forest:forestry of various kinds that have been the mainstays of
the forest:Galiano Island.
Wilson Henry:Some people do still participate in those
Wilson Henry:activities in a small way, but they're no longer the lifeblood
Wilson Henry:of Galiano as they had been for millennia. Instead, like so many
Wilson Henry:of the Gulf Islands, the economy has become much more centered on
Wilson Henry:tourism.
Mendel Skulski:Oh, interesting. You're... you're basically
Mendel Skulski:saying that this whole forestry conflict with MacMillan Bloedel,
Mendel Skulski:and the threat of development. This was sort of the moment that
Mendel Skulski:galvanized people away from relying on what the island
Mendel Skulski:provides. There's all this local biocapacity, but no one is using
Mendel Skulski:it anymore.
Wilson Henry:Yeah, well, it is being used. Most of Galiano
Wilson Henry:island's biocapacity is currently engaged in
Wilson Henry:sequestering all the greenhouse gases that we produce as a
Wilson Henry:species. But it is possible to preserve all that carbon storage
Wilson Henry:and still rely more directly on the islands ecosystems. And one
Wilson Henry:of the key recommendations of the footprint analysis is
Wilson Henry:exactly that. The relocalization of the economy.
Beate RatterTwo key words:
:circular economy, and regional
Beate RatterTwo key words:
:economy. So think of what you can produce locally, and steer
Beate RatterTwo key words:
:the economy locally, as well on the island, yeah? If you have to
Beate RatterTwo key words:
:import timber to do construction, on a place where
Beate RatterTwo key words:
:you have timber production possibilities, this is
Beate RatterTwo key words:
:ridiculous. It's absolutely not at all about clear cutting. It's
Beate RatterTwo key words:
:the sustainable management of a forest which is ecologically
Beate RatterTwo key words:
:sound, and where you have different age groups of trees,
Beate RatterTwo key words:
:and you harvest the timber you need for the construction site.
Beate RatterTwo key words:
:And you need some Mother trees — some old old trees, so it's not
Beate RatterTwo key words:
:that beyond a certain age it's got to be cut. No, it's the
Beate RatterTwo key words:
:management of a diversified forest.
Wilson Henry:So we definitely should electrify the ferries,
Wilson Henry:and electrify our homes and our cars. But I don't think we
Wilson Henry:should ignore the fact that there is a real precedent for a
Wilson Henry:very different kind of sustainable transportation.
Adam Huggins:It's called the canoe. And there is an
Adam Huggins:incredible, rich culture of canoes in this region, with
Adam Huggins:Coast Salish and Hul'qumi'num speaking peoples. That is a
Adam Huggins:beautiful example of what today we would call circular economy.
Adam Huggins:Right, that trees are stewarded for generations until they are
Adam Huggins:large enough to create the kinds of large canoes that are needed
Adam Huggins:for that kind of transportation to be viable. And then those
Adam Huggins:canoes have their life and then eventually they return to the
Adam Huggins:ecosystem, right? It's a beautiful example of circular
Adam Huggins:economy, and extremely efficient in terms of transportation.
Adam Huggins:There's no emissions associated with that. And then you
Adam Huggins:transform the waterways from what they are currently for most
Adam Huggins:of us — which is a barrier between islands that prevents us
Adam Huggins:from getting to visit our neighbors over on the island
Adam Huggins:next door — into the actual channels of transportation.
Wilson Henry:I'm not suggesting that this is a solution for
Wilson Henry:tomorrow. Our civic infrastructure simply isn't
Wilson Henry:designed around canoe travel, and the last monumental cedars
Wilson Henry:were logged off the island decades ago. But look around
you:look at the middens; look at the Camas meadows; at these
you:manufactured landscapes; at the work of generation after
you:generation, not just protecting, but shaping and giving life to
you:the land and sea. Let it remind you that we don't have to do
you:everything. We just have to do our part.
you:So, circling back to the question we started this episode
off with:what can we learn from the footprint and the
off with:fingerprint of an island? Well, in a way, Island communities
off with:like this one are amazing illustrations of the paradox of
off with:living on Earth circa 2022. Nearly every aspect of life on
off with:and off islands is dependent on these complex interconnected
off with:global supply chains and relationships. And at the same
off with:time, we're pretty isolated from one another — each living in our
off with:own bubbles.
off with:If an island is a state of mind, then maybe those of us who live
off with:on the mainland should try it on once in a while — to remind us
off with:that no one else is going to do the hard work for us if we want
off with:to live more sustainably. But it's also on us to discover how
off with:those changes can make our lives better, in ways that at first
off with:might be hard to imagine. We just have to look around at our
off with:community at its opportunities and challenges and get to work.
off with:If you do happen to live on Galiano, or somewhere like it,
off with:you might want to consider the reverse: that no Island is an
off with:island unto itself. Rather than sitting in isolation and going
off with:it alone, we have to reforge those connections; to stop
off with:defining ourselves as an island, but instead as a sea.
Mendel Skulski:Thank you, Wil.
Wilson Henry:Future Ecologies is an independent production.
Wilson Henry:And although Adam is both part of this podcast and the Galiano
Wilson Henry:Conservancy Association, this episode was not funded by the
Wilson Henry:GCA or any of the grants for the footprint study.
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Mendel Skulski:hit the link in the show notes, where you'll also find a link to
Mendel Skulski:the entire footprint and fingerprint analysis for Galiano
Mendel Skulski:Island — all 211 pages of it. Or, if you prefer, condensed
Mendel Skulski:into an emoji-laden, interactive map.
Wilson Henry:This episode was produced by myself, Wil Henry
Mendel Skulski:And me, Mendel Skulski. Wil was our intern for
Mendel Skulski:this episode, and now that they've graduated from J school,
Mendel Skulski:they're looking for a real job. They were an absolute pleasure
Mendel Skulski:to work with, so please, hire them.
Wilson Henry:In this episode, you heard the voices of Levi
Wilson Henry:Wilson, Adam Huggins, Michelle Thompson, William Rees and Beate
Wilson Henry:Ratter.
Mendel Skulski:And music by Thunberg, SHIITAKE, Modern
Mendel Skulski:Biology, Velems, and Sunfish Moon Light.
Wilson Henry:We also want to thank Terra Tailleur,
Mendel Skulski:Sleight of Hand Sound,
Wilson Henry:Nicholas Friedman,
Wilson Henry:The Sitka Foundation,
Wilson Henry:and the Galiano Conservancy Association.
Adam Huggins:And if I may, I'd like to thank the Vancouver
Adam Huggins:Foundation, Vancity, the Pacific Institute for Climate Solutions,
Adam Huggins:the Global Footprint Network, the BCIT Centre for Ecocities,
Adam Huggins:CHRM Consulting, all of our partner organizations on and off
Adam Huggins:Galiano Island, and the many, many people who shared
Adam Huggins:information with us, filled out our surveys, sat down for
Adam Huggins:interviews, and provided feedback. Thank you.
Mendel Skulski:As usual, we have a ton of citations. You can
Mendel Skulski:find those and lots more on our website: futureecologies.net
Mendel Skulski:That's it for this one.
Wilson Henry:Thanks for listening