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FE4.6 - An Island Unto Itself
Episode 613th August 2022 • Future Ecologies • Future Ecologies
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What does it mean to live on an island? Is it to be independent from, or inexorably dependent on the rest of the world? And when the ecosystem's physical limitations are so clearly circumscribed, do people behave more "environmentally"?

In this episode, we visit Adam's home island of Galiano, and find out just how big its ecological footprint really is.

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Introduction Voiceover:

You are listening to Season Four of

Introduction Voiceover:

Future Ecologies

Levi Wilson:

What I've been told is that the main source, the

Levi Wilson:

main, lifeblood, the main thing for connecting us was the

Levi Wilson:

waterways — was the ocean, was the different straits. And so

Levi Wilson:

the whole island was accessed through our canoes. You don't

Levi Wilson:

park your canoe here, travel up the island to the other end, get

Levi Wilson:

on another canoe and come back to your canoe. And so this idea

Levi Wilson:

of one continuous part of the island, and having one name for

Levi Wilson:

that whole strip, just it didn't make sense. It wasn't necessary.

Levi Wilson:

It wasn't necessarily helpful.

Levi Wilson:

Places like Galliano didn't traditionally have one name for

Levi Wilson:

the whole island, it was the waterways that had whole names.

Levi Wilson:

And then each spot on the island was given to different families,

Levi Wilson:

or under their their rights and responsibilities for care and

Levi Wilson:

use of that area at different times of the year. Each Bay,

Levi Wilson:

each inlet, each point of the island had its own name, and

Levi Wilson:

each name was tied to a different family, a different

Levi Wilson:

house, a different community, and through the names and how

Levi Wilson:

the names are attached to people's names was how you

Levi Wilson:

understood the place. But growing up, the water was a

Levi Wilson:

barrier. Traditionally, that wasn't the way it should be. The

Levi Wilson:

water should be the connection.

Wilson Henry:

Welcome back. I'm Wil and I'll be your host for

Wilson Henry:

this episode. The voice you just heard is Levi Wilson.

Levi Wilson:

[Hul’qi’minum introduction] Levi Wilson. And

Levi Wilson:

I'm a member of the Gitga'at first nation, with strong family

Levi Wilson:

connections to the Lamalcha peoples of what's now known as

Levi Wilson:

Penelakut Island. I lived most of my life on Galiano

Wilson Henry:

Galiano — that long, narrow stretch of land in

Wilson Henry:

the Salish Sea, sandwiched between Vancouver and Vancouver

Wilson Henry:

Island. It's one of many islands here, part of an archipelago

Wilson Henry:

known as the Southern Gulf Islands, or, as it continues

Wilson Henry:

across the invisible threshold to the United States, the San

Wilson Henry:

Juans. Today, just under 1400 people live here. And people

Wilson Henry:

have lived here for a long time.

Levi Wilson:

People have been everywhere on this coast since

Levi Wilson:

forever. Since time immemorial is the phrase — time immemorial,

Levi Wilson:

meaning time out of mind, time beyond what we can conceive.

Levi Wilson:

People have been here and have shaped so many different parts

Levi Wilson:

of our environment around us. Things that we take for granted

Levi Wilson:

now, are actually constructed.

Levi Wilson:

We're meeting today at a place in English known as Montague

Levi Wilson:

Harbor, that I've since come to know as Sum’new’, which means

Levi Wilson:

the encircling place or the enclosed place, or something

Levi Wilson:

related to that. It is what some people would call a midden I

Levi Wilson:

call it a manufactured landscape. It is a site where, I

Levi Wilson:

assume, many, many generations of my ancestors have helped

Levi Wilson:

cultivate the landscape to promote growth of life, promote

Levi Wilson:

safety, in the inner harbor to make this place better over

Levi Wilson:

1000s and 1000s of years.

Levi Wilson:

You can see here where the original part of the land was.

Levi Wilson:

And then above it have been centuries and centuries and

Levi Wilson:

centuries of deposits of various shells, other refuse that people

Levi Wilson:

call — that archaeologists in particular call midden. But it's

Levi Wilson:

not just a dumping ground. This wasn't just "we have all this

Levi Wilson:

garbage, and we need somewhere to put it". It was "we have all

Levi Wilson:

this stuff that can help us turn this environment into something

Levi Wilson:

that's more practical, more powerful, more plentiful for

Levi Wilson:

everybody that's coming later".

Levi Wilson:

It's that type of mentality that shifts from "what do I need to

Levi Wilson:

do to get rid of the stuff that I have now", to "how can I help

Levi Wilson:

all of the future generations". All the people that dumped stuff

Levi Wilson:

here that that created this landscape that put these layers

Levi Wilson:

and layers and layers across the entirety of what's now the park

Levi Wilson:

would never have benefited from what they were creating. It took

Levi Wilson:

centuries after they finished dumping for to actually turn it

Levi Wilson:

into the type of kind of for environment that is needed. And

Levi Wilson:

so it's that long term, long care thought that goes into it

Levi Wilson:

that that has made this place ancestrally so powerful, special

Levi Wilson:

and important.

Levi Wilson:

When we say we claim it, we don't have full claim to every

Levi Wilson:

square inch of the island. That is colonial way of thinking that

Levi Wilson:

is not the traditional way of thinking, you know, throw a

Levi Wilson:

blanket over everything and say that that's yours. You have

Levi Wilson:

different rights and responsibilities in different

Levi Wilson:

places, it's part of the seasonal round. And that

Levi Wilson:

seasonal round overlaps, where even at different times of the

Levi Wilson:

year different peoples will have connection. That's why — that's

Levi Wilson:

why a place like Galliano can have 37 different first nations

Levi Wilson:

that have some form of claim. And it gets really complicated

Levi Wilson:

if you only view the island as one whole thing separate from

Levi Wilson:

the other islands around it.

Wilson Henry:

So we're going to talk about what it means to be

Wilson Henry:

an island — to be separated and to be connected. To do that,

Wilson Henry:

we're going to take a snapshot of how people live here and see

Wilson Henry:

what we can learn from the footprints we make, and the

Wilson Henry:

fingerprints we leave behind

Wilson Henry:

From Future Ecologies, this is an island unto itself.

Introduction Voiceover:

Broadcasting from the unseeded shared and

Introduction Voiceover:

asserted territories of the Penelakut, Hwlitsum, and Lelum

Introduction Voiceover:

Sar Augh Ta Naogh, and other Hul'qumi'num speaking peoples.

Introduction Voiceover:

This is Future Ecologies — exploring the shape of our world

Introduction Voiceover:

through ecology, design and sound.

Wilson Henry:

I won't be hosting this alone, by the way. Mendel

Wilson Henry:

is here too.

Mendel Skulski:

Hey. Wait... where's Adam?

Wilson Henry:

Well, Adam is on the other side of the

Wilson Henry:

microphone, this episode. He's going to be a subject, not a

Wilson Henry:

host.

Mendel Skulski:

Okay. Why is that?

Wilson Henry:

Well, Adam is a bit close to the story. Let's

Wilson Henry:

just say.

Mendel Skulski:

He's part of it.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

We get to talk about it.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

What is it? What's the story?

Wilson Henry:

Well, it's a story about these little microcosms

Wilson Henry:

that we call islands.

Adam Huggins:

Islands have been the kinds of places where people

Adam Huggins:

have learned things about the world that they couldn't learn

Adam Huggins:

other ways. I think the most famous example is with Darwin,

Adam Huggins:

and his finches on the Galapagos.

Wilson Henry:

It was those finches and their diversity of

Wilson Henry:

beak shapes, for different foods on different islands, that

Wilson Henry:

played a key role in Darwin's theory of natural selection.

Adam Huggins:

I didn't grow up on an island, I grew up in

Adam Huggins:

suburbia. Galiano feels a lot less isolated than the suburban

Adam Huggins:

communities that I grew up in, in many ways. It's connected to

Adam Huggins:

all of the other islands in the archipelago we live in and all

Adam Huggins:

the other communities around it.

Wilson Henry:

And this, of course, is Adam.

Adam Huggins:

Listeners may recognize my voice. I am the

Adam Huggins:

restoration coordinator for the Galileo conservancy when I'm not

Adam Huggins:

doing Future Ecologies, and I guess I'm responsible for this,

Adam Huggins:

this project [laughs]

Mendel Skulski:

Very mysterious. What... what is this project?

Wilson Henry:

Well, it's called the One Island, One Earth

Wilson Henry:

project.

Mendel Skulski:

Very catchy.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah. And it's about measuring the ecological

Wilson Henry:

footprint of Galiano Island,

Mendel Skulski:

Okay. Is this the point where I find out what

Mendel Skulski:

an ecological footprint is?

Wilson Henry:

It is! Okay. So, an ecological footprint is the

Wilson Henry:

amount of resource-producing land that is needed to support a

Wilson Henry:

person, a community, a nation activity, whatever. It's an area

Wilson Henry:

of land that represents what they consume, in terms of food

Wilson Henry:

and materials, and also what is needed to sequester the carbon

Wilson Henry:

dioxide waste that they produce. An ecological footprint is

Wilson Henry:

measured in global hectares.

Mendel Skulski:

What is a global hectare?! ...what is a hectare?

Wilson Henry:

Okay, so a hectare is a square. That's 100 meters

Wilson Henry:

by 100 meters.

Mendel Skulski:

Oh, it's metric.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

So what is a global hectare?

Wilson Henry:

A global hectare is equivalent to a hectare of

Wilson Henry:

land with the average biological productivity in a given year.

Wilson Henry:

That is of primary producers — plants, in other words.

Mendel Skulski:

Okay, so a hectare is just like, an area.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

10,000 square meters.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

But a global hectare is a hectare with some

Mendel Skulski:

plants on it.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

And the amount of plants is somewhere, kind of

Mendel Skulski:

in the exact middle between, like, the Gobi desert and the

Mendel Skulski:

Amazon.

Wilson Henry:

Kinda.

Mendel Skulski:

Kinda.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

It's like the average productive hectare.

Wilson Henry:

Exactly. So you know, if you're trying to

Wilson Henry:

measure your ecological footprint and planted hectares,

Wilson Henry:

you wouldn't really be able to find an answer, because it would

Wilson Henry:

very much depend on where the hectare was. So using the unit

Wilson Henry:

of global hectares kind of removes that problem.

Mendel Skulski:

Gotcha.

Wilson Henry:

So your footprint is the consumptive side of the

equation:

How much of this average productive area we use

equation:

on an annual basis to support our lifestyles. The other side

equation:

of this equation is called Biocapacity.

Mendel Skulski:

We're getting a lot of definitions right off the

Mendel Skulski:

top.

Wilson Henry:

Oh, yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

What is biocapacity?

Wilson Henry:

So, the most succinct way to put it is that

Wilson Henry:

it's the ability of any given area on Earth to produce

Wilson Henry:

resources that us humans need to live our lives and also to

Wilson Henry:

assimilate our carbon dioxide waste.

Mendel Skulski:

Just us humans.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah, that's actually one of the explicit

Wilson Henry:

limitations of the ecological footprinting process. It's only

Wilson Henry:

concerned with human needs.

Mendel Skulski:

Okay...

Wilson Henry:

So to understand biocapacity, we can kind of use

Wilson Henry:

a money metaphor.

Mendel Skulski:

Alright?

Wilson Henry:

Imagine an area of land is your bank account?

Mendel Skulski:

Sure.

Wilson Henry:

And then what grows and reproduces on that

Wilson Henry:

land every year is the interest.

Mendel Skulski:

...Got it.

Wilson Henry:

So you could live without depleting any savings,

Wilson Henry:

just by gathering that interest and living off that interest

Wilson Henry:

every year. But if you withdraw more than you're making on

Wilson Henry:

interest every year, eventually, you're gonna run out. So the

Wilson Henry:

biocapacity is the interest. It's what regrows every year.

Wilson Henry:

And your ecological footprint is how much you take out of the

Wilson Henry:

bank account.

Mendel Skulski:

Okay, cool. This is making sense.

Wilson Henry:

Great. So dealing with these numbers, global

Wilson Henry:

hectares of biocapacity, global hectares of ecological

Wilson Henry:

footprint, it can start to feel a bit abstract.

Mendel Skulski:

Right? I mean, I, I have no idea how many

Mendel Skulski:

global hectares I'm consuming, let alone how many should be

Mendel Skulski:

consuming,

Wilson Henry:

You're not alone. So to make it a little easier to

Wilson Henry:

comprehend, you can convert your footprint to Earth equivalents.

Wilson Henry:

Or in other words, how many Planet Earths we would need if

Wilson Henry:

everyone lived the same way as you or your community.

Mendel Skulski:

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, that is

Mendel Skulski:

probably more than one Earth for most of us.

Wilson Henry:

Oh, yeah. Certainly, most of us listening

Wilson Henry:

to this podcast right now.

Mendel Skulski:

So what is a fair share? How many global

Mendel Skulski:

hectares can my footprint be if I'm shooting for, you know

Mendel Skulski:

exactly one earth?

Wilson Henry:

Well, if you take the biocapacity of the entire

Wilson Henry:

Earth, which counts all the land and the continental shelves, and

Wilson Henry:

divide it by the number of people living on the planet, you

Wilson Henry:

get just over 1.5 global hectares per person, at least as

Wilson Henry:

of 2021.

Mendel Skulski:

Oh, interesting. There's just kind of a nice

Mendel Skulski:

mnemonic there, right? Like, we're aiming for less than 1.5

Mendel Skulski:

degrees of warming, relative to pre industrial levels. And we

Mendel Skulski:

should also be aiming for 1.5 global hectares per person.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah, well, maximum. And on that note, we're

Wilson Henry:

currently at 1.2 degrees.

Mendel Skulski:

Yeah, I guess we're all on one big, finite

Mendel Skulski:

island. But this whole thing sounds a lot like a concept that

Mendel Skulski:

I that I have heard of, and that is carrying capacity. Right?

Mendel Skulski:

Like we're talking about how many people Planet Earth can

Mendel Skulski:

support. Isn't this kind of the same thing?

Michelle Thompson:

Carrying capacity is a tool that is more

Michelle Thompson:

commonly used for animal populations — knowing how much

Michelle Thompson:

space they need, and those types of things. Applying that to

Michelle Thompson:

humans is, I want to say, impossible. Our consumption

Michelle Thompson:

patterns are so different and so far from each other. Think of

Michelle Thompson:

what I would use day to day, compared to millionaire day to

Michelle Thompson:

day. We can't just create a carrying capacity based on that.

Wilson Henry:

This is Michelle Thompson

Michelle Thompson:

And I'm currently the One Island One

Michelle Thompson:

Earth coordinator at the Galiano Conservancy.

Wilson Henry:

The goal of the One Island One Earth project is

Wilson Henry:

to do a first of its kind ecological footprinting and

Wilson Henry:

biocapacity survey for Galiano. Adam started the project, got

Wilson Henry:

the funding, and is kind of the spokesperson. But Michelle

Wilson Henry:

basically did all the work on the One Island One Earth Project

Wilson Henry:

[suppressed laughter]

Mendel Skulski:

[Laughing] I'm familiar with this relationship.

Mendel Skulski:

Just kidding. Just kidding. Adam is a big overachiever.

Adam Huggins:

The other point about carrying capacity is it's

Adam Huggins:

looking at a given population of animals within a specific area

Adam Huggins:

and all of the resources available to them in that area.

Adam Huggins:

The thing about people is that we don't rely on the resources

Adam Huggins:

just in our local areas. In fact, oftentimes, we hardly rely

Adam Huggins:

on any of the resources in our local areas. Galiano Island is

Adam Huggins:

an example of a community where people who lived here up until

Adam Huggins:

very recently derived a lot of their basic needs from the lands

Adam Huggins:

and waters here. And now, derive very little of them, right?

Adam Huggins:

Maybe more so than than your average city dweller, but that's

Adam Huggins:

a big change. And so you can essentially have as many people

Adam Huggins:

as you want, almost living in an area if you're importing all of

Adam Huggins:

their basic needs from elsewhere.

Mendel Skulski:

Right... okay, so you're you're outsourcing

Mendel Skulski:

your biocapacity. When you're not using the things that are

Mendel Skulski:

local, you're bringing them in.

Wilson Henry:

Totally. And those things that you bring in still

Wilson Henry:

show up under ecological footprint, right? So ecological

Wilson Henry:

footprint and carrying capacity aren't the same thing. But even

Wilson Henry:

though they're different, it was that question — of "do humans

Wilson Henry:

even have a carrying capacity" that gave rise to the concept of

Wilson Henry:

the ecological footprint in the first place.

Wilson Henry:

Well, it all started with having come to UBC as a

Wilson Henry:

wet-behind-the-ears ecologist, I thought I had a lot of answers

Wilson Henry:

as to the nature of the growing human dilemma that we, you know,

Wilson Henry:

we call the environmental crisis.

Wilson Henry:

This is Dr. William Rees, professor emeritus of Community

Wilson Henry:

and Regional Planning at the University of British Columbia.

Wilson Henry:

But although I taught and was even the director of the

Wilson Henry:

planning school for a number of years, I'm a population

Wilson Henry:

ecologist. The ecological footprint analysis was one of

Wilson Henry:

the things that I originated and co-developed with a variety of

Wilson Henry:

my students. That's it, that's all you need to know about that.

Mendel Skulski:

No wait! I want to know more. Why did they

Mendel Skulski:

decide to invent the footprint,

Wilson Henry:

I kept running up against colleagues who were

Wilson Henry:

economists. So for example, at one point, I had given a seminar

Wilson Henry:

on the concept of human carrying capacity: the idea that at any

Wilson Henry:

given standard of living the earth, or any territory, such as

Wilson Henry:

Galliano island can support only so many people. And I was taken

Wilson Henry:

aside after that talk by a very senior Canadian resource

Wilson Henry:

economist. And what he was arguing was that economics had

Wilson Henry:

abolished the concept of carrying capacity. Because after

Wilson Henry:

all, human ingenuity could substitute for nature.

Mendel Skulski:

Right. This is that whole technocratic kind of

Mendel Skulski:

argument that we... we adapt, and we overcome, and we escape

Mendel Skulski:

those animal limitations.

Wilson Henry:

Totally. But William and his students didn't

Wilson Henry:

see it that way. So they used footprinting as a way to make a

Wilson Henry:

simple point.

Wilson Henry:

On Earth today, there are about 12 and a half billion hectares

Wilson Henry:

of biologically or ecologically productive land. The human

Wilson Henry:

ecological footprint is 20 billion hectares. So we're using

Wilson Henry:

the earth as if it were about 75% larger than it actually is.

Wilson Henry:

But even a child would ask how can you use something that isn't

Wilson Henry:

there?

Mendel Skulski:

Oh, it's me... the child. Yeah, okay.

Wilson Henry:

And the answer is because we're depleting

Wilson Henry:

accumulated assets, so that as we destroy the soils, as we

Wilson Henry:

wreck the tropical forests, as we pollute the oceans as the

Wilson Henry:

dead zones increased, Earth is in effect, shrinking. The

Wilson Henry:

availability of really useful productive assets is getting

Wilson Henry:

smaller, even as the total demand by the human population,

Wilson Henry:

and growing incomes is getting larger.

Wilson Henry:

So just because we can't measure carrying capacity for humans in

Wilson Henry:

the way that we do for other animals, doesn't mean that we

Wilson Henry:

don't depend on, or have a measurable impact on our

Wilson Henry:

environment. We might escape resource limitations at a local

Wilson Henry:

or even regional level, but we can't outrun them forever, at

Wilson Henry:

the planetary level.

Wilson Henry:

So that's the ecological footprint in a nutshell. But

Wilson Henry:

remember, this episode is also about islands.

Beate Ratter:

These little pieces of land surrounded by

Beate Ratter:

water, which you can describe as being isolated, but through the

Beate Ratter:

water being connected to each other. And I think this

Beate Ratter:

in-between, which is not the one and not the other is just

Beate Ratter:

fascinating.

Wilson Henry:

This is Dr. Beata Ratter.

Beate Ratter:

Yeah, I'm Professor of integrated

Beate Ratter:

Geography at the University of Hamburg in Germany. And I'm

Beate Ratter:

dedicated to research coastal areas and small islands.

Wilson Henry:

So, Mendel...

Mendel Skulski:

Wil.

Wilson Henry:

When you think of an island, what comes to mind?

Mendel Skulski:

Oh, you know, an island is like, a hill in the

Mendel Skulski:

middle of the ocean. Out here, you need to get to it by a ferry

Mendel Skulski:

— if you can get to it at all, without your own means. Yeah,

Mendel Skulski:

they're, they're kind of separated and in so many

Mendel Skulski:

different ways. They're separated socially. They're

Mendel Skulski:

separated physically, they're separated economically. And I

Mendel Skulski:

think there are just inevitable tensions of being outside the

Mendel Skulski:

economic nexus, which is the mainland. But also I think

Mendel Skulski:

that's the reason why many people seek it out. So yeah,

Mendel Skulski:

that's that's what I think of when I think of islands.

Wilson Henry:

Well, Beata has another idea.

Beate Ratter:

I think you can have two pictures in your mind:

Beate Ratter:

a specific Island, which is this definition, a piece of land

Beate Ratter:

surrounded by water, and you think that it's definite and

Beate Ratter:

it's exact, and there is a boundary. But if you look

Beate Ratter:

closer, there is no real boundary. And there is no real

Beate Ratter:

limitation because each island population is specifically

Beate Ratter:

identified through the connection to other islands or

Beate Ratter:

to the mainland.

Mendel Skulski:

Oh, I mean, that's so much like what Levi

Mendel Skulski:

was saying at the beginning, right? Like, the water is this

Mendel Skulski:

connective tissue. And it's not, not so much just these little

Mendel Skulski:

nuclear conceptions of a piece of land all by itself.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

I really appreciate that framing.

Wilson Henry:

Well get ready, because in her recent book,

Wilson Henry:

Beata makes the case that in a way, an island is really a kind

Wilson Henry:

of mental construct.

Beate Ratter:

For example, an oasis in the desert can be an

Beate Ratter:

island. And in the original definition, it's not surrounded

Beate Ratter:

by water, it's surrounded by sand. But it's still this

Beate Ratter:

concept of islandness. The same comes true for villages in high

Beate Ratter:

mountains. So they are not surrounded by waters, but

Beate Ratter:

villages in the high mountains are some way isolated from other

Beate Ratter:

places, but they need to be connected to other places in

Beate Ratter:

order to survive. So the mental construct means that it's a

Beate Ratter:

definition which happens in your mind, and which is not a

Beate Ratter:

geographical definition of an island.

Mendel Skulski:

We create islandness. Islands don't just

Mendel Skulski:

exist... out there.

Wilson Henry:

Yep.

Mendel Skulski:

That's amazing.

Wilson Henry:

We're standing on a mental construct right now.

Wilson Henry:

And Beata loves to challenge other stereotypes about islands.

Wilson Henry:

For one, the idea that people who live there are somehow

Wilson Henry:

special, the so called "Noble Islanders".

Beate Ratter:

There is no Noble Islander, they're just as normal

Beate Ratter:

people. They are not behaving better or worse than

Beate Ratter:

Mainlanders. But small communities, either on islands

Beate Ratter:

or on the mainland, have bonds and have close bonds. So yes, if

Beate Ratter:

you ask me, there is isolation, but it's relative. And it's not

Beate Ratter:

definitely all small islands are isolated. If you think in the

Beate Ratter:

Pacific region, for example, the people in former times they

Beate Ratter:

learned to travel by sea, and they connected the whole area.

Beate Ratter:

It's this understanding of we are a sea of islands. And I

Beate Ratter:

think that explains it very much that you do not necessarily be

Beate Ratter:

isolated or feel isolated, if you have the means to be

Beate Ratter:

connected. And if you have your lifestyle to be connected to

Beate Ratter:

other places.

Wilson Henry:

Besides her knowledge of islands, I'm

Wilson Henry:

introducing you to Beate because of an ecological footprinting

Wilson Henry:

project she did in 2009.

Beate Ratter:

So I was dreaming of doing such an ecological

Beate Ratter:

footprint calculation on a Island.

Mendel Skulski:

Sounds familiar.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah. Except this was the first time anyone had

Wilson Henry:

done such a thing. Because it's not exactly a trivial exercise.

Wilson Henry:

The raw data that you need isn't just laying around. So Beate

Wilson Henry:

chose her Island carefully. A tiny German community in the

Wilson Henry:

North Sea, called Helgoland.

Beate Ratter:

Many people dream of going once in their life to

Beate Ratter:

Helgoland — based on its history, and based on its

Beate Ratter:

location

Wilson Henry:

Helgoland has a kind of mythic, rugged history

Wilson Henry:

in German culture. Today, it's actually got almost the same

population as Galiano:

around 1200 people, but it's much much

population as Galiano:

denser since the whole island is less than two square kilometers.

population as Galiano:

For centuries, it was known as a pirates hideaway. As a

population as Galiano:

territory, it was officially possessed by Denmark, Britain,

population as Galiano:

and then eventually Germany, and usually put towards tactical

population as Galiano:

military ends. Then, towards the end of World War Two, the island

population as Galiano:

was effectively flattened by bombing campaigns.

Mendel Skulski:

Oh, scary.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah. And that's actually part of the reason why

Wilson Henry:

Helgoland was an interesting place for Beate to make the

Wilson Henry:

first ecological footprint of an island. It's culturally German,

Wilson Henry:

but all the infrastructure is basically brand new. I mean, in

Wilson Henry:

European terms — new as of 1950. And that's not the only thing

Wilson Henry:

that made it a little more straightforward to study

Beate Ratter:

Helgoland is so small, that you have no car

Beate Ratter:

traffic in Hagar land, you walk around or you take a bicycle,

Beate Ratter:

you do not need a car, then we are in temperate climate, you do

Beate Ratter:

not need an air condition.

Wilson Henry:

And that's not all. Basically, no food is grown

Wilson Henry:

on Helgoland. Everything the islanders eat is imported. Their

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drinking water came from a desalination plant, and their

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electricity was from a diesel generator.

Mendel Skulski:

Right. Okay, so it's about as close to a closed

Mendel Skulski:

system as you could hope for

Wilson Henry:

Exactly. Although the economy of Helgoland is

Wilson Henry:

largely driven by tourism, so once again, isolated but

Wilson Henry:

connected.

Mendel Skulski:

All right, so we've got this perfect little

Mendel Skulski:

demonstration plot for studying the footprint of islands. What

Mendel Skulski:

did she find? Was Helgoland, like, a tiny bastion of

Mendel Skulski:

sustainability?

Beate Ratter:

The footprint in the end, as we calculated was

Beate Ratter:

6.8 hectares per capita, which is beyond Berlin, way beyond the

Beate Ratter:

world,

Wilson Henry:

That's 1.1 global hectares more than the average

Wilson Henry:

German citizen. In 2009. The people of Helgoland were living

Wilson Henry:

like we had almost four Earths of biocapacity.

Mendel Skulski:

Wow. And that's assuming that all of it is for

Mendel Skulski:

people.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah...

Mendel Skulski:

That we are entitled to the the total bio

Mendel Skulski:

capacity of the Earth.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah. And at that time, the world average

Wilson Henry:

ecological footprint was 2.7 global hectares per person, or

Wilson Henry:

just over one and a half Earths

Mendel Skulski:

Islands... Not so idyllic, after all.

Wilson Henry:

No, but it's a data point, right? A snapshot in

Wilson Henry:

time. Because if you want to live more sustainably tomorrow,

Wilson Henry:

it's important to look at how you're living right now. And

Wilson Henry:

where you can improve. And so really, this study is the reason

Wilson Henry:

why we're talking about islands at all.

Adam Huggins:

Yeah, it was looking at Dr. Beate Ratter's

Adam Huggins:

work on the little island of Helgoland in Germany that

Adam Huggins:

sparked it for us here.

Mendel Skulski:

Okay so, Adam got inspired and borrowed the

Mendel Skulski:

concept for this island.

Wilson Henry:

That's right.

Mendel Skulski:

And here we are.

Wilson Henry:

Here we are.

Mendel Skulski:

So Helgoland 6.8 global hectares, and the world

Mendel Skulski:

average is 2.7.

Wilson Henry:

In 2009, yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

Okay. So, thanks to Adam, Michelle, their

Mendel Skulski:

collaborators. We have an idea where Galiano sits. Where does

Mendel Skulski:

Galiano sit? What's... what's the number?

Wilson Henry:

[Long pause] We'll get to that...

Mendel Skulski:

No!

Wilson Henry:

Right after the break.

Mendel Skulski:

No!!

Wilson Henry:

Welcome back, I'm Wil, this is Mendel, and you're

Wilson Henry:

listening to Future Ecologies. Today we're talking about

Wilson Henry:

ecological footprints, we're talking about islands, and we're

Wilson Henry:

talking about the ecological footprint of Galiano Island.

Mendel Skulski:

The numbers! Come on, give me the results. Is

Mendel Skulski:

this hippie-dippie island paradise just an illusion?

Adam Huggins:

You asked for numbers I'm gonna give you some

Adam Huggins:

numbers.

Wilson Henry:

Future Ecologies regular, Adam Huggins, wearing

Wilson Henry:

his day job hat at the Galiano Conservancy. Drumroll please.

Adam Huggins:

We learned that if every human community in the

Adam Huggins:

world had the same footprint as the Galiano Island community

Adam Huggins:

does, we'd need the equivalent of 4.3 Earth's to support us

Adam Huggins:

all.

Mendel Skulski:

Yikes.

Adam Huggins:

If we're speaking the language of global hectares,

Adam Huggins:

the Galiano Island community requires an average of 6.8

Adam Huggins:

global hectares per person in 2021. That is the exact same

Adam Huggins:

amount of global hectares that Helgoland required about a

Adam Huggins:

decade ago.

Mendel Skulski:

Hmm, that's a pretty wild coincidence.

Wilson Henry:

It is. And it should be said that since then,

Wilson Henry:

the community of Helgoland has made great strides to reduce

Wilson Henry:

their footprint and live more sustainably. But for Galiano,

Wilson Henry:

the story gets worse. Not only is this a big footprint, it's

Wilson Henry:

bigger than what the island could even hypothetically

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provide.

Mendel Skulski:

Like, even if it were that mythical island unto

Mendel Skulski:

itself, it still wouldn't be enough.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah.

Adam Huggins:

Our footprint is smaller than the average

Adam Huggins:

Canadian footprint, but larger than the footprint of nearby

Adam Huggins:

urban communities like Vancouver and Victoria, and significantly

Adam Huggins:

larger than what would be consistent with an equitable and

Adam Huggins:

sustainable footprint at a planetary scale. And even for

Adam Huggins:

the scale of the island.

Mendel Skulski:

Wait, just a second. Before the break, you

Mendel Skulski:

said that the Helgoland footprint was the equivalent of

Mendel Skulski:

four Earths right?

Wilson Henry:

Yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

How can Galiano's be 4.3 Earth's if it's

Mendel Skulski:

exactly the same number of global hectares?

Wilson Henry:

Well, you have to remember that these are always

Wilson Henry:

snapshots in time. To get that Earth equivalent number you take

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the global hectare per capita of a community and you divide it by

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the global hectares that are available for every human being

Wilson Henry:

on the planet.

Adam Huggins:

And you know that number changes, because the

Adam Huggins:

human population of the planet is growing. And so if you had

Adam Huggins:

the same amount of biocapacity and a growing population, you

Adam Huggins:

still have less per person over time.

Wilson Henry:

So every year, a single global hectare becomes

Wilson Henry:

more valuable in a sense — as your fair share of the Earth's

Wilson Henry:

biocapacity shrinks.

Adam Huggins:

And that's because of human population growth. But

Adam Huggins:

it's also because of environmental degradation.

Adam Huggins:

Right? When you're overspending the Earth's resources. when

Adam Huggins:

you're in overshoot, you're by definition, drawing down that,

Adam Huggins:

you know, biocapital. You're liquidating ecosystems, and

Adam Huggins:

you're reducing the planet's ability to support us.

Mendel Skulski:

Eeesh... overshoot... that kind of says

Mendel Skulski:

it all.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah, it's actually a technical term in the

Wilson Henry:

world of ecological footprints. There's even a day: Earth

Wilson Henry:

Overshoot Day — when the planet as a whole consumes more than

Wilson Henry:

its biocapacity for the year.

Mendel Skulski:

Uhhh... when is that?

Wilson Henry:

We'll be there soon, actually, probably before

Wilson Henry:

this episode comes out. I think this year, it's expected to be

Wilson Henry:

at the end of July.

Mendel Skulski:

But this question of overpopulation is

Mendel Skulski:

pretty fraught, right? Like, if you start talking about making

Mendel Skulski:

policy around birth rates, it's... it's easy to see why

Mendel Skulski:

that's like.... fascistic.

Wilson Henry:

Oh, absolutely. I mean, the question quickly

Wilson Henry:

becomes "who shouldn't be here?" As in "who shouldn't be alive?"

Wilson Henry:

And I don't think anybody should have the power to answer that.

Mendel Skulski:

Ne neither. At least... outside of a one-womb

Mendel Skulski:

radius?

Wilson Henry:

Yes, we are pro bodily autonomy and pro choice

Wilson Henry:

here.

Mendel Skulski:

Yes.

Wilson Henry:

But when it comes to measuring footprints, the

Wilson Henry:

math is pretty clear.

Wilson Henry:

The ecological footprint of a population is the product of two

things:

the size of that population multiplied by the

things:

average per capita consumption. So in simple arithmetic, they're

things:

equivalent. Nobody wants to talk about population growth. It's a

things:

taboo subject still.

things:

Once again, this is Dr. William Reese, who co-invented this

things:

whole eco footprint thing. And to be clear, he's not advocating

things:

for any kind of coercive population control. But in his

things:

opinion, we can't just avoid the problem. Of course, population

things:

makes a much bigger difference, where the per capita footprint

things:

is already high, which basically tracks with wealth.

things:

Reducing the population of Canada by 10, would be the

things:

equivalent of reducing the population in India by say, 60,

things:

or some such number. Because the fewer rich people there are the

things:

far better off the planet is in relative terms.

things:

But stopping short of eating the rich —

Mendel Skulski:

Oh... okay.

Wilson Henry:

— I would say we don't have that many levers to

Wilson Henry:

pull, or at least, that I think we want to pull, to reduce

Wilson Henry:

population in any kind of coordinated way. Instead, I

Wilson Henry:

think we need to put our focus on what we can change in this

Wilson Henry:

generation,

Mendel Skulski:

Such as? Like, how can we bring that per capita

Mendel Skulski:

footprint down?

Wilson Henry:

Well, that's exactly the point of doing the

measurement:

to see where you can make the biggest impact in

measurement:

your community. So let's break down the 4.3 Earths that go into

measurement:

Galiano's footprint.

Adam Huggins:

Right off the bat, about 1.4 of those Earths is

Adam Huggins:

just the Galiano Island population's fair share of the

Adam Huggins:

footprint of the Canadian government. So that is like the

Adam Huggins:

provinces and the federal government, all the services

Adam Huggins:

that they provide health care, military, police, the

Adam Huggins:

administrative state, all that kind of stuff has a footprint

Adam Huggins:

that's already larger than one planet, if you look at it at a

Adam Huggins:

population scale.

Mendel Skulski:

Yikes. Okay, so Galliano is already in

Mendel Skulski:

overshoot, before we even get to the island, just from the

Mendel Skulski:

services of the state.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

That's not exactly something local

Mendel Skulski:

communities have any control over though. And it's like 40%

Mendel Skulski:

of Galliano's whole footprint.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah, that definitely falls into the 'big

Wilson Henry:

systems change' bucket. But if you look at it in another way,

Wilson Henry:

there are almost two thirds that can be changed just by the way

Wilson Henry:

people live their lives. And that brings me to another famous

Wilson Henry:

use of the word footprint.

Wilson Henry:

So, Mendel...

Mendel Skulski:

Wil.

Wilson Henry:

What do you think of when you hear the words

Wilson Henry:

"carbon footprint"?

Mendel Skulski:

I think it's a good rhetorical device to make

Mendel Skulski:

us feel individually responsible for things that are systemic.

Wilson Henry:

Do you know where that term comes from?

Mendel Skulski:

I don't, actually. Which... which came

Mendel Skulski:

first the ecological footprint or the carbon footprint?

Wilson Henry:

The ecological footprint came first in 1992.

Wilson Henry:

William Rees intended it as a way of looking at whole

Wilson Henry:

communities, and includes carbon as I mentioned. The personal

Wilson Henry:

carbon footprint was invented in 2005 by none other than British

Wilson Henry:

Petroleum.

Mendel Skulski:

BP?

Wilson Henry:

Yeah.

Mendel Skulski:

Biggest marine oil spill in the history of the

Mendel Skulski:

world BP?

Wilson Henry:

Yeah, that was Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of

Wilson Henry:

Mexico in 2010.

Mendel Skulski:

Yeah, well, that tracks.

Wilson Henry:

But just a few years earlier, they had coined

Wilson Henry:

this term carbon footprint as a part of a public relations

Wilson Henry:

campaign, which, like you were saying before, puts the

Wilson Henry:

responsibility to reduce carbon waste on the individual and

Wilson Henry:

masks the responsibility of this large oil company. While making

Wilson Henry:

it seem like they care about this kind of thing, right?

Mendel Skulski:

Yeah. We made it measurable. And we made it your

Mendel Skulski:

problem.

Wilson Henry:

Exactly. So you can use footprint measurements

in lots of different ways:

you can use them to feel individual

in lots of different ways:

guilt, blame or shame — you know, like when billionaires use

in lots of different ways:

their private jets to commute across town. But they're just as

in lots of different ways:

useful, I think, in showing things that people could do

in lots of different ways:

collectively. It really just depends on the framing. So let's

in lots of different ways:

get back to Galliano and see what can affect the biggest

in lots of different ways:

change.

Adam Huggins:

It's stuff like our transportation,

Adam Huggins:

transportation is by far and away the biggest chunk of the

Adam Huggins:

community level footprint, right? The footprint minus the

Adam Huggins:

government services,

Wilson Henry:

Just looking at the 2.6 Earth's in that

Wilson Henry:

community level footprint, transportation accounts for 40%

Wilson Henry:

of it — almost half.

Mendel Skulski:

Okay, so people drive, people fly, and people

Mendel Skulski:

use the ferry, right? Which should be the priority?

Wilson Henry:

It's actually a pretty even split. Each of those

Wilson Henry:

counts for about 1/3 of the transportation footprint.

Adam Huggins:

And there's nuance in there, too. We found that

Adam Huggins:

Galiano islanders drive a lot less than people from the

Adam Huggins:

surrounding urban communities, but we're ferry dependent. And

Adam Huggins:

so the ferries add just a huge chunk on there. So of course,

Adam Huggins:

electrifying the ferries would be a huge deal.

Wilson Henry:

And interestingly, while they drive less, Galiano

Wilson Henry:

folks are flying almost twice as much as the BC average.

Mendel Skulski:

Okay, so electrify everything and fly a

Mendel Skulski:

lot less. Easy.

Wilson Henry:

[Laughs] Yes, everyone should definitely do

Wilson Henry:

that. With the climate crisis as urgent as it is, anytime you can

Wilson Henry:

replace fossil fuels with electricity, it's a good thing.

Adam Huggins:

If people are weighing whether they should

Adam Huggins:

electrify their heating, if they're on fossil fuels, versus

Adam Huggins:

whether they should install solar panels. Well, if you can

Adam Huggins:

afford to do both, great. But if you can only afford to do one,

Adam Huggins:

electrify your heating first, right? We worry about the

Adam Huggins:

electrification first, and then the source of that renewable

Adam Huggins:

energy second,

Wilson Henry:

But this is also a great example of the limits of

Wilson Henry:

an ecological footprint analysis. Here's Michelle

Wilson Henry:

Thompson again.

Unknown:

How we get our electricity here in BC is, from

Unknown:

an ecological footprint perspective (I'm going to do air

Unknown:

quotes) "cleaner" than if we were to live in Alberta, because

Unknown:

it's a lot more heavy on on fossil fuel usage for things

Unknown:

like electric heating, and all that type of stuff. But what it

Unknown:

doesn't account for is the damage that dams do in those

Unknown:

communities. The disruption of those areas, species that it

Unknown:

affects is not measured within this.

Wilson Henry:

Dams and hydropower are low carbon, so

Wilson Henry:

they look great on ecological footprint, but they have lots of

Wilson Henry:

other consequences.

Mendel Skulski:

Can I plug our two-part series on dams from

Mendel Skulski:

season one?

Wilson Henry:

Are those the ones where you pretended to be fish?

Mendel Skulski:

[Laughs] Those are episodes 9 and 10. But yeah,

Mendel Skulski:

dams are bad for salmon. They're bad for estuaries. They're bad

Mendel Skulski:

for rivers, in general.

Wilson Henry:

Totally. So these numbers can tell us something's

Wilson Henry:

important things, but they can't tell us everything. Another big

Wilson Henry:

limitation of the ecological footprint is how it considers

Wilson Henry:

drinking water. This footprint calculation only counts the

Wilson Henry:

infrastructure, the building materials and like the literal

Wilson Henry:

area used up.

Adam Huggins:

But for a small rural community where people

Adam Huggins:

have individual wells on individual properties, the

Adam Huggins:

materials involved in that are are not very significant. And so

Adam Huggins:

it looks like we have no footprint for our water. But we

Adam Huggins:

are using a lot of water as a community on an island that is

Adam Huggins:

quite droughty. So we have this conundrum where you know, the

Adam Huggins:

ecological footprint says you should densify your community

Adam Huggins:

because you're taking up too much space per person. And on

Adam Huggins:

the other hand, we have a lot of communities here where they're

Adam Huggins:

already using too much water. And you know, thankfully, there

Adam Huggins:

are technologies such as rainwater harvesting, that can

Adam Huggins:

help address that. But you know, there are other considerations

Adam Huggins:

that the ecological footprint is blind to that we have to make as

Adam Huggins:

a community.

Wilson Henry:

Every Island is unique after all. So how can you

Wilson Henry:

take this kind of rigid framework and make it right for

Wilson Henry:

where you live?

Mendel Skulski:

I have no idea.

Wilson Henry:

By doing what Beate Ratter calls an ecological

Wilson Henry:

fingerprint.

Mendel Skulski:

Nice. How do you measure a fingerprint?

Beate Ratter:

You do not measure. You describe.

Wilson Henry:

An ecological fingerprint is exactly what it

Wilson Henry:

sounds like. It's the identity of that place. The story, the

Wilson Henry:

attitudes and values. And unlike the footprint, there isn't a

Wilson Henry:

recipe.

Adam Huggins:

There was really no roadmap for it. But we

Adam Huggins:

decided that it would be a combination of, of course,

Adam Huggins:

surveys of the community — asking questions, basic

Adam Huggins:

questions — but also interviewing old timers, elders,

Adam Huggins:

indigenous people who've been around a really long time and

Adam Huggins:

can remember a lot of the changes that have occurred here.

Adam Huggins:

We interviewed people who remember the very first

Adam Huggins:

electrification events on the island before there was any

Adam Huggins:

public utility or anything like that, you know, somebody bought

Adam Huggins:

a generator that was too large for their own needs, and said to

Adam Huggins:

their neighbors, "Well, I'll sell you some power. Let's

Adam Huggins:

string up some lines." And they would just go out, and they

Adam Huggins:

built a utility that way. This is back when they were heating

Adam Huggins:

the one room schoolhouse with oil drums. We found people who

Adam Huggins:

can remember much farther back than that,

Wilson Henry:

That interview with Levi Wilson from the top —

Wilson Henry:

It's just one of 23 different interviews that capture the

Wilson Henry:

fingerprint of the island. And unsurprisingly, the story of

Wilson Henry:

Galiano depends on who you ask. Like anywhere. It's varied and

Wilson Henry:

complex, but one event stands out in defining the shape of the

Wilson Henry:

island as it is today.

Mendel Skulski:

What happened?

Wilson Henry:

Well, to make a really, really long story short,

Wilson Henry:

in the 1970s, this massive forestry company, Macmillan

Wilson Henry:

Bloedel

Mendel Skulski:

Like, Bloedel conservatory? Where Adam and I

Mendel Skulski:

visited that stinky flower.

Wilson Henry:

The very same. At that time, MacMillan Bloedel.

Wilson Henry:

Literally owned more than half of the land base of Galiano

Wilson Henry:

Island.

Mendel Skulski:

Half!?

Wilson Henry:

Yeah. And they had a lot of goodwill from the

Wilson Henry:

community. Not only were there jobs in this regional forestry

Wilson Henry:

economy, the company was also bankrolling all sorts of local

Wilson Henry:

resources, like the fire department.

Mendel Skulski:

And kind of like the Conservatory in Vancouver.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah, you could say that. But then in the late

Wilson Henry:

70s, they decided to liquidate all their forestry holdings on

Wilson Henry:

the island,

Mendel Skulski:

Liquidate?

Wilson Henry:

As in harvest all at once — clear cut.

Mendel Skulski:

Oh, how did that go down?

Wilson Henry:

Not great. But for a few different reasons.

Wilson Henry:

Environmentalists were obviously not happy about it. But more

Wilson Henry:

significantly, there was backlash from folks who simply

Wilson Henry:

thought that clear cutting was bad long term timber management.

Wilson Henry:

It wasn't that they were against forestry. Not at all. They just

Wilson Henry:

didn't want the industry to boom and then inevitably bust. So the

Wilson Henry:

community really soured on MacMillan Bloedel. There was an

Wilson Henry:

attempt to come to a compromise, allowing logging to proceed

Wilson Henry:

without resorting to clear cuts, but it didn't pan out. Huge

Wilson Henry:

tracts of the island were logged.

Wilson Henry:

Now keep in mind that these forests, although they had been

Wilson Henry:

owned by Macmillan Bloedel, they were effectively public spaces.

Wilson Henry:

Lots of people would make use of them to harvest firewood or

Wilson Henry:

nettles or mushrooms. But after the forests were cleared, the

Wilson Henry:

land was sold for private development, and public access

Wilson Henry:

was a thing of the past.

Mendel Skulski:

That sounds heartbreaking.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah, for many people it was. It turned out

Wilson Henry:

that MacMillan Bloedel had been planning to develop their

Wilson Henry:

holdings into a Whistler Blackcomb-style resort on

Wilson Henry:

Galiano, which would be like a big deal and kind of adding

Wilson Henry:

insult to injury.

Mendel Skulski:

No kidding.

Wilson Henry:

But the islanders got organized, they protected

Wilson Henry:

some of the most valuable areas, and passed local bylaws to block

Wilson Henry:

the development. It got really ugly. There was even a SLAPP

Wilson Henry:

lawsuit that went all the way to the Supreme Court of BC. But it

Wilson Henry:

worked.

Mendel Skulski:

Right, yeah, I don't see a huge Blackcomb

Mendel Skulski:

resort anywhere around here.

Wilson Henry:

No. So all that was left for MacMillan Bloedel

Wilson Henry:

to do was sell their land and leave. But here's where things

get complicated:

when they sold, they did so with the explicit

get complicated:

pretense that the land could be developed by the new owners.

Mendel Skulski:

Oh, so the people who bought the land were

Mendel Skulski:

stuck because of those new bylaws.

Wilson Henry:

Exactly. And so for a long time, the island

Wilson Henry:

community was pretty much split along those lines. You had folks

Wilson Henry:

who were frustrated that they couldn't do what they wanted

Wilson Henry:

with the land they bought, folks who were gun-shy about any kind

Wilson Henry:

of development whatsoever, plus everyone who was displaced by

Wilson Henry:

the rapidly shifting resource economy when forestry flamed

Wilson Henry:

out. This deadlock is a big part of the reason why Galiano is as

Wilson Henry:

spread out and rural as it is today. Which, as we know now,

Wilson Henry:

has a major impact on its literal footprint: the amount of

Wilson Henry:

land that each resident takes up.

Mendel Skulski:

So that's the fingerprint of Galiano.

Wilson Henry:

That's a small but significant part of it. And it

Wilson Henry:

will definitely inform what kinds of footprint reducing

Wilson Henry:

strategies might work best here, because this was not only a

Wilson Henry:

formative moment, politically, but it also marked a real shift

Wilson Henry:

in the islanders way of life.

Adam Huggins:

The people who've lived here — until very

Adam Huggins:

recently, but extending back to time immemorial — they fished

Adam Huggins:

for sustenance and for trade. They hunted deer and other

Adam Huggins:

species, including grouse and black ducks. And they relied on

the forest:

the resources that were in the forest, and in more

the forest:

recent times for timber. Right? It's really fishing, hunting and

the forest:

forestry of various kinds that have been the mainstays of

the forest:

Galiano Island.

Wilson Henry:

Some people do still participate in those

Wilson Henry:

activities in a small way, but they're no longer the lifeblood

Wilson Henry:

of Galiano as they had been for millennia. Instead, like so many

Wilson Henry:

of the Gulf Islands, the economy has become much more centered on

Wilson Henry:

tourism.

Mendel Skulski:

Oh, interesting. You're... you're basically

Mendel Skulski:

saying that this whole forestry conflict with MacMillan Bloedel,

Mendel Skulski:

and the threat of development. This was sort of the moment that

Mendel Skulski:

galvanized people away from relying on what the island

Mendel Skulski:

provides. There's all this local biocapacity, but no one is using

Mendel Skulski:

it anymore.

Wilson Henry:

Yeah, well, it is being used. Most of Galiano

Wilson Henry:

island's biocapacity is currently engaged in

Wilson Henry:

sequestering all the greenhouse gases that we produce as a

Wilson Henry:

species. But it is possible to preserve all that carbon storage

Wilson Henry:

and still rely more directly on the islands ecosystems. And one

Wilson Henry:

of the key recommendations of the footprint analysis is

Wilson Henry:

exactly that. The relocalization of the economy.

Beate RatterTwo key words:

:

circular economy, and regional

Beate RatterTwo key words:

:

economy. So think of what you can produce locally, and steer

Beate RatterTwo key words:

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the economy locally, as well on the island, yeah? If you have to

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import timber to do construction, on a place where

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you have timber production possibilities, this is

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ridiculous. It's absolutely not at all about clear cutting. It's

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the sustainable management of a forest which is ecologically

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sound, and where you have different age groups of trees,

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and you harvest the timber you need for the construction site.

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And you need some Mother trees — some old old trees, so it's not

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that beyond a certain age it's got to be cut. No, it's the

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management of a diversified forest.

Wilson Henry:

So we definitely should electrify the ferries,

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and electrify our homes and our cars. But I don't think we

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should ignore the fact that there is a real precedent for a

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very different kind of sustainable transportation.

Adam Huggins:

It's called the canoe. And there is an

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incredible, rich culture of canoes in this region, with

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Coast Salish and Hul'qumi'num speaking peoples. That is a

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beautiful example of what today we would call circular economy.

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Right, that trees are stewarded for generations until they are

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large enough to create the kinds of large canoes that are needed

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for that kind of transportation to be viable. And then those

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canoes have their life and then eventually they return to the

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ecosystem, right? It's a beautiful example of circular

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economy, and extremely efficient in terms of transportation.

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There's no emissions associated with that. And then you

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transform the waterways from what they are currently for most

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of us — which is a barrier between islands that prevents us

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from getting to visit our neighbors over on the island

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next door — into the actual channels of transportation.

Wilson Henry:

I'm not suggesting that this is a solution for

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tomorrow. Our civic infrastructure simply isn't

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designed around canoe travel, and the last monumental cedars

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were logged off the island decades ago. But look around

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look at the middens; look at the Camas meadows; at these

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manufactured landscapes; at the work of generation after

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generation, not just protecting, but shaping and giving life to

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the land and sea. Let it remind you that we don't have to do

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everything. We just have to do our part.

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So, circling back to the question we started this episode

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what can we learn from the footprint and the

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fingerprint of an island? Well, in a way, Island communities

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like this one are amazing illustrations of the paradox of

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living on Earth circa 2022. Nearly every aspect of life on

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and off islands is dependent on these complex interconnected

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global supply chains and relationships. And at the same

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time, we're pretty isolated from one another — each living in our

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own bubbles.

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If an island is a state of mind, then maybe those of us who live

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on the mainland should try it on once in a while — to remind us

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that no one else is going to do the hard work for us if we want

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to live more sustainably. But it's also on us to discover how

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those changes can make our lives better, in ways that at first

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might be hard to imagine. We just have to look around at our

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community at its opportunities and challenges and get to work.

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If you do happen to live on Galiano, or somewhere like it,

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you might want to consider the reverse: that no Island is an

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island unto itself. Rather than sitting in isolation and going

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it alone, we have to reforge those connections; to stop

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defining ourselves as an island, but instead as a sea.

Mendel Skulski:

Thank you, Wil.

Wilson Henry:

Future Ecologies is an independent production.

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And although Adam is both part of this podcast and the Galiano

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Conservancy Association, this episode was not funded by the

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GCA or any of the grants for the footprint study.

Mendel Skulski:

So if you liked it, please support us. This

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podcast is possible because of our community on Patreon. Join

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us at futureecologies.net/patrons or

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hit the link in the show notes, where you'll also find a link to

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the entire footprint and fingerprint analysis for Galiano

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Island — all 211 pages of it. Or, if you prefer, condensed

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into an emoji-laden, interactive map.

Wilson Henry:

This episode was produced by myself, Wil Henry

Mendel Skulski:

And me, Mendel Skulski. Wil was our intern for

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this episode, and now that they've graduated from J school,

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they're looking for a real job. They were an absolute pleasure

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to work with, so please, hire them.

Wilson Henry:

In this episode, you heard the voices of Levi

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Wilson, Adam Huggins, Michelle Thompson, William Rees and Beate

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Ratter.

Mendel Skulski:

And music by Thunberg, SHIITAKE, Modern

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Biology, Velems, and Sunfish Moon Light.

Wilson Henry:

We also want to thank Terra Tailleur,

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Sleight of Hand Sound,

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Nicholas Friedman,

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The Sitka Foundation,

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and the Galiano Conservancy Association.

Adam Huggins:

And if I may, I'd like to thank the Vancouver

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Foundation, Vancity, the Pacific Institute for Climate Solutions,

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the Global Footprint Network, the BCIT Centre for Ecocities,

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CHRM Consulting, all of our partner organizations on and off

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Galiano Island, and the many, many people who shared

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information with us, filled out our surveys, sat down for

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interviews, and provided feedback. Thank you.

Mendel Skulski:

As usual, we have a ton of citations. You can

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find those and lots more on our website: futureecologies.net

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That's it for this one.

Wilson Henry:

Thanks for listening

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