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For ten years, Deborah climbed the corporate ladder at Citibank, building a high-profile career to escape the label of sensitivity. She learned to equate self-esteem with achievement, never smiling at her desk, performing a version of herself that felt increasingly hollow. Then came three years of debilitating, misdiagnosed illness: severe pain, hemorrhaging, doctors telling her it was MS, Lou Gehrig's disease, or all in her head. Bedridden and alone, everything she had built her identity on was stripped away. In that crisis, she heard about a 1943 copper penny worth a million dollars, and the metaphor cracked something open. She realised she had never learned self-worth, only self-esteem. She wrote a children's book, Paisley's Last Quill, about a porcupine who gives away her power piece by piece. Now she is developing a Broadway-scale musical based on the story, determined to teach others what took her a health collapse to learn.

Deborah Weed is a US-based former corporate executive who spent a decade at Citibank leading multimillion-dollar projects before a three-year health crisis forced her to confront the difference between achievement and intrinsic worth. She is now a creative entrepreneur, children's book author, and founder of Quills Up, a movement centred on reclaiming personal power through self-worth.

In this Grit Diaries conversation with Mon & Mazz, Deborah shares the story behind the moments below.

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• Self-esteem is built on achievement and requires constant proof; self-worth is intrinsic and survives when everything external is stripped away.

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00:00 Introduction to Deborah Weed and her Broadway dreams

03:07 How sensitivity became a wound that drove her corporate climb

04:27 The misalignment of heart in a brain-focused corporate world

05:04 Self-esteem vs. self-worth: the distinction that matters

08:54 What true self-worth looks like when achievement is stripped away

10:47 Three years bedridden: the fracture that changed everything

13:28 The 1943 penny: the metaphor that saved her life

18:23 Paisley's Last Quill: turning pain into a story about reclaiming power

22:20 From children's book to Broadway dreams: the musical and the challenge of funding

26:01 Her father's wisdom on disappointment as the real barrier to perseverance

29:44 The cork that keeps bubbling: knowing what you're meant to do

31:22 Closing: gratitude and the power of stories that touch us

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welcome to the grit diaries with mon and maz a place where we show real stories meets real transformation each episode we share the journeys of everyday people who's faced life's hardest moments and found their way to hope healing and purpose may their courage inspire you and in the world around you let's get inspired

Oh my gosh, Mon, what a powerhouse that we just got to listen to, haven't we? We had the incredible Deborah Weed with us from the US. Yeah, great talented lady. She has created an organization called Quills Up. She's all about self-esteem, genuine, authentic sense of self. She's working towards, can you believe it, a Broadway musical level production for Paisley's

Fashion Forest and just by looking at her background that she had on our conversation it was mesmerizing, it was magical and she's got so much to offer to the community and I loved our conversation together. Yeah and what I love is she worked the corporate world for a long time and now has thrown herself into just making impact. She's written a book and that's called The Luckiest Penny. Yeah really worth listening to this one and I can't wait to see her show go to Broadway. We'll be front row.

Hello everyone and welcome to yet another episode of The Grit Diaries with Mon and Maz. Hey Mon! G'day Maz, how are you? I'm rip-roaring ready to go today and don't we have the most beautiful guest with us today? We've got Debra Weed with us from the US. That's exciting, lovely to see you Debra. Welcome!

Thank you. It's lovely to see both of you. I just was taken instantly with your background and we're going to hear a little bit more about that later, but I'm loving it. Mum, would you like to just run us through about our wonderful Deb? Deborah, we are really keen to hear more about your world. You had a really interesting corporate career and quite senior, I believe, in working with Citibank and then you hit a real challenge health-wise where you were absolutely debilitated for three years. That's a long, long time.

Certainly a great way to learn about who you are and as you describe understanding the difference between self-worth and self-esteem. Really want to hear a little bit about that journey and tell us a little bit about what life was like stepping into your world of leading a very busy corporate life and then having to go into this challenge health-wise. Do you want to talk a bit about that with the audience?

Absolutely. Actually, let me start, you know, for anybody out there as a kid, because so many of us, we create our identity or our personality when we're very, very young. And so for me, I was very sensitive, tremendously sensitive and more of an empath, probably like a lot of your listeners. But because when you are labeled or think you're sensitives,

Sometimes we equate sensitivity with weakness, don't you think? Absolutely. Or emotional or, yeah, fragile. Exactly. So in order to overcompensate and get away from that label, I ended up going for very high profile jobs. I worked as the director of development for Citibank. I worked on a $26 million pavilion with Disney and Universal Consultants.

I did everything that I could to like wash away the sensitivity and create what I thought was self-esteem, right? But here's the thing about corporate. And there's probably a lot of people that are listening. I'm hoping that there's a lot of people listening that have been in corporate and might be able to identify with this. Corporate is very logical, right? Yes. It's very brain focused, correct? Correct. That's right.

yet where does the heart come in and how does that mold us and change us so for me my experience was not an easy one because I needed to be shifted from corporate but instead of me realizing oh bad fit you know this is like yes I feel really good about what I'm doing I thought I

that self-esteem was accomplished by doing these kind of big things. But I didn't know at the time

what self-worth was. And self-worth is different. So before I tell you what happened, let me tell you what self-esteem is so we can kind of go back to it. I don't think people really understand it. They do, but they don't. Self-esteem is what you do. It's like, you know, I go to an event. I am the director of development for Citibank. I have great self-esteem, right? But I have to keep on doing things. Yeah. Yeah.

I have to keep on proving things.

to become worthy of that self-esteem. Out of curiosity, Deb, did you find that that helped with just, you know, it sounds like you were quite aware of what you were doing, you know, going from, you can define yourself. Maybe it's in hindsight that you say that, I'm not sure. You've gone from, you know, being sort of quite a, as your words, sort of a sensitive empath and then going into the corporate space. Did you find though that it just, it gave you the confidence to like, oh, I can kind of play in both fields? Yeah.

as opposed to self-esteem as such. I know from my experience when I've put myself in situations where I thought, oh my gosh, you know, I'm not going to be able to handle that situation. But just purely by being in it, it gave me the confidence and helped to shift my belief and therefore able to handle more because I was actually giving myself evidence that I could actually do things that are outside what my core identity was. Did you find that in being in that corporate space?

I think what you said is brilliant. And I think that you probably had a better understanding of who you were than I did. I was trying to, no. It sounded a little bit different. But for me, I think I was trying to prove, go against who I was. Very obviously. Yes. I mean, like, I love the creativity. I love the fact that I was able to lead things. I love, you know, all that stuff.

But, like, I never smiled. When I was at Citibank, I wore the, you know, it was the time of the, you know, shoulder pads and, you know, high heels. Yeah, that whole thing. And so I never smiled, never. I was putting on a show of who I thought I should be instead of who I really was.

So for me, it was a different experience than what you're saying. Maybe I should say it differently. At the time, I thought I had it all. But life had a different plan for me and took me on a different journey. Part of the memory is that you didn't smile.

Right. I didn't. That sounds like I've heard you talk about that before that it's like an imprint memory. So it felt maybe a little bit misaligned with your actual excitement about doing what you were doing. And, you know, there wasn't that joy and it was like feeling like you were trying to prove yourself.

That's interesting. And I don't know about you, Sim, I know when I've done coaching in the corporate space, your words are echoing quite a few people in that space. And so I think it speaks to really making sure that whatever you're doing out in the world, isn't it, that you are feeling aligned? What are the things that you love about your work and, you know, finding those things? And if it's really not aligned, are you starting to feel trapped?

And that's the key. I mean, you so eloquently put math so eloquently because that's where I think, you know, like if I would suggest to anybody, one of the things right off the bat is make sure that there's two kind of communications. There's one brain to brain communication.

There's one heart to heart. But when you try to do heart to brain, there's a lot of miscommunication. A lot of things go astray. And corporate is like, at least for me, I was heart centered trying to play in the brain game. And it made me unhappy, but it took a health challenge.

How long were you a corporate career? How long did that go for? I would say at least 10 years. Yeah, a decade. Yeah. So tell us a bit about self-worth. You were saying there's a very big difference. Self-esteem is what you do and self-worth. Self-worth is who you say you are. So if you've learned to love yourself...

no matter what, then you don't have to achieve anything. You don't have to do anything. You don't have to pull out your credentials. You don't have to show your cards. You don't have to do anything, but just be yourself. That is probably the most enviable place to be of all, you know, to be able to have that kind of dynamic.

That explains, I had a moment with one of my best mentors who hired me into executive search, who is still a dear friend of mine. And I used to say to her, I don't think I have much self-esteem. And she'd say, you've got stacks of self-esteem. I'd go, no, no, no. But really what I realized on reflection in that was I didn't have self-worth and I had to go and crash and take my life into another whole journey before I could realize what self-worth was. I think

There's a fantastic saying for those. I work a lot in rehab and there's an old saying, how do you build self-esteem? It's do esteemable things, right? So that's a constant thing.

It comes out of 12-step programs where people, how do you build self-esteem? Do esteemable things. And you'll find that esteem comes along. So it's really good what you've just said, Debra. You've helped me to understand the difference between self-esteem and self-worth. And we're thrown a little bit. The pandemic helped us in a sense of being able to stop.

and think a little bit about who are we, what are we, but not everyone gets that wonderful chance. Tell us about that challenge of the three years where you were bedridden and work us through that.

Absolutely. So in my case, once again, it doesn't happen to everybody. I had a situation that was not diagnosed right away. In fact, it was falsely diagnosed. All I knew is that I was in severe pain. This is a little bit of a trigger warning, but I was hemorrhaging all the time as a woman. I didn't know what was wrong with me. I was bedridden. I was so weak that I tried to put my head up and I couldn't get it up.

And I went to doctor to doctor as many of us would. But here's the thing. Doctors all said something different. One said it was MS. The next one said it was Lou Gehrig's. The next one said it was all in my head. And I would literally tell my husband, please drive me to a hospital. I think I'm dying. And if I'm going to die, at least I want to be in the hospital.

The only other thing is that maybe other people might identify with or maybe they're going through something is that because I didn't have anything identifiable, my family, who's a good family, rather than being there, was not. So essentially, I felt very, very alone.

in that whole crisis scenario. And it took three years to come up with the right diagnosis. But during that time, I realized, you know, if I had a chance, if I had a second chance at life, then I would devote my time to this self-worth initiative, starting that and really teach others because I need to learn it. I still need to learn it.

You know, I'm still working on it. Maybe we do for the rest of our lives. You know, how to get self-worth, especially when you're being judged. You don't know what's wrong. You have nothing that you can prove. You have nothing that you can show and say, look at what I've done and who I am. And, you know, so then who are you? So did you find Deb in that three years? What was that time for you looking back?

in the sense, obviously there was a lot of confusion, misdiagnosis, obviously physically pummeled, no energy, no real understanding of what was actually happening. When you look back and given that you're springboard about, you know, that was what you wanted. I mean, some people might be, if I get through this, I'm, you know, I'm going to go and be a crusader for, I don't know, project in Africa. I don't know, you know, but for you, it was around self-esteem.

What was happening in that time to have been, that was the thing. If I get through this, it's my thing is this self-esteem button. I think first of all, what it was for me is I realized that so many other people, kids, I'm passionate about kids and their families, you know, are probably working on this self

esteem like I was, maybe they're unhappy. And I had insight because everything was taken away. And because everything was taken away, it was actually a 1943 penny that helped save my life. And the reason why is because at the time I learned, I heard, you know, when you're in bed, you have a lot of time to listen to stuff that a 1943 pure copper penny could be worth a million dollars. Wow. And it's like, well, wait a minute.

If a penny, a simple penny that, I don't know if you have pennies there, but, you know, a penny that most people in America and that they're going out now, but, you know, most people wouldn't even pick up on the ground. If that could be worth a million dollars, then if I feel like that, what could I be worth? And why do they say it's a lucky penny?

If it's only a penny. So I came up with a story in a musical for families and kids called The Luckiest Penny. And that was my, you know, I had a lot of time to do that. So that was kind of my foray back into life and back into possibilities. Amazing. I love, yeah, don't you love, Mon, you know, allowing life to hit you, allowing life to touch you, allowing...

these moments just you know someone else could have heard that and it meant nothing but for you it's kind of merged with you at a particular time in life that it was everything to shift gears and i think again for our viewers that when you do have those moments

don't brush them off. Let them be the thing that kind of synthesizes a bit of change for you and look at what that's kind of catapulted you into. Amazing. Yeah, really beautiful. And I think those moments, I just said to Maz, I had a moment this morning. It was, I get up and do meditations and journaling and reading my readings. And I read this reading about the fact that our self

birth is established very much between six and 18 months as a baby and I was just sitting there and reflecting and feeling like when I was six to 18 months I know that sounds weird but I could feel my dad's love just absolutely pouring all over me you know like I could feel it it was so beautiful and I was like I just said to Maz you know I'm going to check this out my dad's passed but my mum's still alive I'm going to see if she can tell me

what that period of my life was like. I'm not going to put words into her mouth, but hear what she says, because I feel my strength does come from that very early, early stage of my life. And I'm grateful that I at least had that. Didn't quite continue that way, but I had that early stuff, which has given me some sort of sense of self-worth. So yeah, anyway, it's just like you say, the penny, the moments, and you need the quiet time in life to be able to reflect that. And

stones on beaches etc you know like it's just amazing those little moments that actually are so powerful yeah yeah and I want to keep going with your story Deb but just a quick share I mentioned to you that my mum sadly became unwell with terminal brain cancer

But in the lead up to that, I knew big change was coming. I just didn't know what. And I happened to go for a walk along a local beach and there on my walk was a silo rock just by itself. I picked it up. And anyway, the short version of that is when I ended up looking at the rock, on the rock were the words inscribed, my mother. Wow. Yeah.

yeah it was insane and that has been the catalyst like with your penny how you let that seep in how mon this morning you know just this unexpected feeling of the warmth and love of your dad as you reflected on a reading in and around your young years it's allowing that to seep in what does that mean it could have just been like wow that's weird at

nothing else of it, but it has ended up being a catalyst to changing my business name. You know, it's become the central sort of part of my book. So I love that we've all got different experiences and I really hope that the viewers are maybe reflecting on, you know, maybe some things that have happened for them in their life that maybe they've dismissed and maybe it might be, or they've just experienced something. And so I think all three of us could agree it's worth leaning into what that might actually mean for them.

Yeah. Deborah, tell us a bit about Paisley. Tell us about writing plays, where you're at with all of that. That's interesting and exciting. And yeah, we'd love to hear about that creative side that's clearly come out since you've had this time to reset your life, I suppose. And tell us more about the creative side of the plays that you've written and got one that's going to Broadway or is about to, or you've got the potential for it to go to Broadway. Tell us about that.

Absolutely. I had written a children's book and this was really, really important to me. I love metaphors, obviously with the penny. And so I needed another metaphor of what is it like so many of us, especially, well, women and men too, we give away our power, right? We give away our power until we've got nothing left.

So I needed the best metaphor that I could possibly come up with. And for me, it was a porcupine by the name of Paisley who dreamed of being a fashion designer. But in the animal fashion world,

She had to give away her quills and use them as pins for a Cruella de Vil type character by the name of Zavanna. So I wanted something very visual where people could see that they were giving away a piece of themselves a little by little by little for all the reasons that we do. And I wanted to use the fashion for it.

Because the fashion industry, because of the fact that when it comes down to it, fashion is, you know, it's what we wear, but it's not who we are. So I was able to examine and really have fun with the characters, the models, the top models, whether they be a tiger who has to wear very prissy, over-the-top couture gowns, but wants to be a rock and roll star.

Or an elephant who is told to slim down, become less, don't be so bold, don't do what she's doing. And yet she has the biggest heart of anybody out there. Or a bear who is clumsy, but she dreams of being a top model. But her real asset, her real beauty is her kindness. And Paisley gets in the midst of Zavanna, who only cares about how things look.

She's a perfectionist and her cruelty comes from perfectionism. So to be able to look at that whole thing, pull it together, write a children's book called Paisley's Last Quill. It was a five star, you know, the little girls loved it. And the moms were saying, but what about me? And it was like, ah.

What about you? What about me? What about all the adults that are out there? Let's write a musical based on this and really inspire people the best way that I know how, through music and story. Wow. I've just had chills going, flooding my body as you're talking about that. What a unique way to present such an important idea and a way for us to kind of sort of see ourselves.

in each of those different characters. And so these are the characters I can see in your backdrop. Yes. So Zavanna is the one that's dressed kind of in the, you know, dark. Paisley is the one that's, you know, vibrant. And then you see Ikru, who's the elephant, and Tierra, who's the tiger, and Batik, who's the bear. And this comes alive in a magical way.

fashion forest where everything is alive and all of the outfits are made out of nature so the spiders spin you know lace the webs and the birds are kind of like uh you know the sewing machines with their beaks

So it's like a magical world backdrop for a very, very important story of, at least in the children's book, what happens with Paisley. She ends up giving away every quill except for one. And it's what she does with the last quill.

That makes the difference. Wow. I'm just so curious. Going off on a slight tangent, where are you in the stages of having this musical up and running? Oh, I want to see it. Yeah, I want to get it going. So here's the realistic thing. To put on a Broadway musical takes $40 to $100 million. And I do not have $40 to $100 million. But I have what I think is a brilliant brand.

a brilliant product. So what I've been doing really is concentrating on getting the best music, singers, the best script possible, put it all together so it's ready to go. And somebody can pick it up and say, oh my gosh, this is like amazing.

Initially, what I had started was the Quills Up movement with women so that they could take back their power. And I was moving in that direction. But I do realize at this point, you know, I have put so much work, love and dedication into it. I've proven over and over that this is a worthy. It's not just a concept. It's already proven in that the book was a success. It was five stars. People loved it. So I just need that one person to hear it.

See the possibility and just say, I'm your producer. I'm the one. Let's take this all the way. Yeah, that's where. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I just love the fact you've interwined, you know, fashion with animals like it taps into so many different fears of personal interest.

It's really beautiful, Deborah. And I'm just smiling because your right brain must be alive big time, which is supposedly our creative side. And yet for so long, like you said, your corporate world, you were sitting in that left brain and numbers and analytics. And so you must have an enormous healthy brain. That's what I would say to have the capability of both sides in what you do. But yeah, it looks beautiful. If I can think of any connections, I certainly will. Shout out to you and shout out to-

listeners if anyone knows of someone because it really does sound like a beautiful musical that would be just so enjoyed by you know young and old audiences

Yeah. And even though I'm shooting for Broadway, sometimes it's coming up with the right group of people who can, you know, put it on or take it to the next level. I mean, look at Rent. Rent, you know, I mean, in America, Rent was huge. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it started a small thing, but all the people, you know, are still there.

like out there making a difference. And they stayed out there for and made millions and millions and millions of dollars. Deborah, have you reached out to the founders of Rent? I probably should. Oh, I would definitely go for it because they would mentor you, you know, you to them and just say, I've built this musical and that's what I would be doing straight away. Can you share with me any insights of how I could get it taken further?

That's a great idea. Thank you. Yeah, I would definitely look at that and other musicals similar like Rent that has taken, you know, the world by storm and see if you can get hold of the founders, the designers, the creatives. Everyone loves to help each other in this world with, you know, if you ask, they release happy hormones. When you ask them to help you, it will make them feel good too. 100%.

That law of reciprocity. Yeah. Amazing. So as we're kind of coming as sort of wrapping up, Deborah, what would you like to share with the beautiful viewers, the audience that you're going through everything that you've been through? What would be one of your nuggets of wisdom that has maybe been really helpful to you on your journey? Maybe a strategy or just what is it that has been really valuable to you?

I love to share my dad's wisdom. You know, just like you with your mom. I love to share my dad's wisdom because I think he's got some jewels. I want to talk about what do you think the one thing that stops people every time is? I think it's procrastination based on boiling resentments and anger that people aren't working through.

Lack of self-belief. So here's what my dad told me. Obviously, there's no wrong answer. We're both born. But here's what my dad said that I was like, whoa, ding, ding, ding, for me at least. He said it was disappointment. And I'm going to tell you why. He said, let's say that you have something that you want to do and you get out there and you start to do it and you're really excited and then it doesn't work.

And then you get disappointed. Well, it's brain chemicals and you don't realize it, but you got really like the endorphins were going, all the good chemicals were going. And then when you got disappointed, things fell. Now you're not conscious of it.

But that lack of chemicals really affects you, right? But then you try again. Let's say you try again. You're like, I can do this. I know I can. And you get back on the horse and you start to do it again. And you rise and it doesn't work.

And once again, the chemicals go out of you. And so it's not conscious, but the fall feels so bad, so bad that most people, he told me, never try again. They flatline. Not because they can't, but because they don't want it. You know, we call it failure. It's not failure. It's a chemical reaction that we're not conscious of that stops us from pursuing our dreams.

And I'm like, well, okay, that's like scary. How do you get around that? And he said, the only way to get around that is to, and that's why the fake it till you make it is so true. If you can understand that it's just chemicals, then you can try again.

I love that. Yeah, I like the old fail is first attempt in learning. But it is hard. I mean, I had my own company for 27 years and had to feed a lot of staff and always have, you know, racing to find jobs and assignments. And it was hard.

you know always a challenge emotionally and you do need those people that will lift you you know you do I did anyway I needed mentors that would really lift me when you did get knocked back and you did get told no and you do need those empowering mentors around you to dust you off and make you laugh a bit and keep you going I believe it's very hard on your own without that

And I love that, Deb, when you talk about, you know, because you're right, you know, it is just chemicals and so many people do then believe it wasn't for me, it's not meant for me and not realising that, you know, as I'm sure we're all aware, failure is really more feedback. So how do I do it differently the next time? And so like what you said, Mon, for you it's being mentors to help you deal with those chemicals, you know,

and for me it's endlessly listening to podcasts about motivation and about doing exactly that what did you learn and getting back on the horse so to speak and for me it's always the things you know you have an idea a dream a desire to do something and you go for it like you say Deb and you're going gung-ho and some it just isn't happening and then you drop the ball life gets in the way you know all the other demands come and you kind of just flatline a

it's the thing that keeps simmering back up to the surface. It's almost like the cork that gets pulled under that desire to do whatever it is. And then all of a sudden it gets life again. It gets like going, starts bubbling back up to the surface and it's bouncing around on the top of the ocean again. To me, those are the things when it keeps bubbling back up,

And it's like, it's just like, oh, it just keeps at me, whatever it is. That to me then is my, I'm meant to do that. And I've got to honor that little cork because it's meant to be swimming out on top of the ocean. Love that. Yes. Yeah. And it's not easy. It's not, it's easy to say. It was a great description for my dad. But when you've got the chemicals or something happens in your life, you know, it's very understandable. But it's something to keep in mind.

Yeah. Oh, Debra, thank you so much for sharing all your beautiful journey and your wisdoms and, you know, sharing your dad's wisdom. I love that. Mon, you and I, we're going to have front row seat. We're going over to the US when this musical is and we are going to be cheering you on. We're going to have tears coming out our eyes. We can't wait for this to be actualized in whatever shape or form it comes in. I've just been watching you in amongst these beautiful characters and it just feels like you are all part of it.

It's amazing. Thank you so much. I can think of someone to refer you to as well that might be able to refer you on to people. So I'll share you that, an old school friend that is big in kind of the Hollywood world, but she might be able to help you, Deborah. And I would be creating a letter to the founders of Rent and sending it all straight away. You never know. I'm sure they'd love to help another fellow creative.

Thank you so much. I appreciate it. And you are both such bright lights. And getting to know you a little bit beforehand, what you're up to, your mission, what you're trying to achieve is just absolutely brilliant. Thank you for the feedback. That's beautiful. Yeah.

Aren't we fortunate to meet all these beautiful human beings around the world and over in the US in the Florida area. And yeah, hopefully we can cross paths when I'm there next month. Sounds wonderful. Yeah. Well, thank you once again, Mon and Deb for being our beautiful guest on The Grit Diaries. And we hope that you have all gained some incredible wisdoms and motivation and spark new ideas. And I hope that if you come across something that touches you, let it

sit with you, let it touch you, let it mean something. And I think we've all shared our experiences with that today. And so we hope that you take some inspiration from that. Anything else to add, Mon? No, it's been a delight to meet you, Deborah, and hope to stay in touch a little bit. And if you ever come to Sydney down under, you're very welcome to visit us on the sunny northern beaches. We'd love to show you around and welcome you with open arms.

Sounds wonderful. I'm up for it. Well, I think that's Mon when she's doing her tour because, you know, Paisley, the musical, has just gone global. Right, exactly. I mean, you know, she might be at the Four Seasons, you know, and she's been dropped.

we might have to drop in and see you double bay double pay yeah uh well thank you so much for being here thank you mon and next episode on the grit diaries take care everyone bye

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