What I'm absolutely passionate about is to cut through people's prejudice.

Have a listen to this wonderful conversations I had with Christian McCoy the other day.

Christian McCoy with the Convict Connect Group.

Not the regular ex convict.

Let’s get a little better at giving people a second chance.

Sometimes we are just one weird decision away from getting incarcerated so why not starting to cut through some beliefs we hold and give people who had to spent some time in jail a fair second chance.

Christian and I will talk about 

The start of his journey after being incarcerated 

His mission with the convict connect group- completely self funded and self reliant 

The intense mental and emotional pressure when getting out of jail and being out in this world left with your thoughts

The beauty of Brotherhood

Slowly being able to trusting people again 

The daily life of convicts with structure and solid respect towards individuals

Impulsivity

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Hello, hello, and welcome to the Borealis

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experience. I'm your host Aurora. And I'm very happy and

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excited delighted to have Christian McCoy with me today,

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we met a couple weeks ago, over a Facebook group called the

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convict connection. Some of you might know this about me that

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I'm totally passionate about talking about the Correctional

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Services like in North America, I feel we all deserve a second

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chance, especially people who were in jail and are being

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released back into society. And we as a society, we have to make

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it a little easier for people to reintroduce themselves into

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society, it is hard enough to get out of jail and to go back

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into this crazy, messy world. And if we could meet them with a

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little bit more compassion, with more empathy, and not forgetting

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that sometimes we're all just one weird decision, one step

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away from being incarcerated. So I feel this is going to be a

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series of episodes that we're going to do here together with

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Christian and also Patrick has his partner because they started

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a really neat project where they help people to find themselves

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and to to feel comfortable being out there again, in society,

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they're kind of the watchdogs. They are the mold in the cracks

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of the system, not to say that the system is rotten and not

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serving us, but I feel we as society, we can do a little

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more. Christian, welcome to the show. I'm very excited to kick

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start our little project here. I would love you to introduce

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yourself a little bit, as much into detail as you feel

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comfortable with the better people know you, the better we

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can relate to you. And yeah, let's just go from there.

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Thank you, Rob, how are you?

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I'm very good. I'm very excited to have this conversation with

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you and to share with people. Yeah, what your mission is with

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Patrick and yeah, it's, it's gonna be a good good couple

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hours that we spent together here in the future.

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Well, I appreciate you giving us this platform to kind of speak

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in in advertise where we come from as an entity and, and we,

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as you stated, we do and did generate group called convict

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Connect. And we started probably, I don't know, five or

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six years ago, and it was more of a support group with five or

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six individuals that had spent time incarcerated throughout the

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prison system within the state of Nebraska. And it was just

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kind of, we got together kind of as a sounding board more or less

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with grew up with, like I said, five or six guys just to make

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sure that we were touching base and we weren't too out there on

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our thoughts or what we're trying to accomplish because as

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we'll get into, hopefully, in the future episodes will

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understand that there's definitely delusions of grandeur

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for people they're setting out for the prison system in to

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society immediately. I think it's all you know, it's all

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seated with good and it started in good intent and rooted is

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trying to do good things, but a lot of times I think, you know,

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coming out, taking it step by step, biting off more than you

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can chew to kind of sows the seeds for discouragement, and

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maybe a little bit of overwhelming feelings that a lot

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of these guys probably had with them before they violated or did

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something where society needed to take them and separate them

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for a timeout by hiring barbed wire and shotguns and you know,

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30, odd sixes and so forth, as far as To protection from

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society. So what we did is we sat down and we did this for it

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went on for probably about a month anyway, we're all excited,

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we're doing this. And we're having it in a Panera of all

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places not to name drop, but it was just kind of a locale for us

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to do on Saturday morning. And notice that it was kind of

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growing, and everybody was getting excited and wanted to

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throw in more, and we're looking forward to it. Well, it's also a

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bunch of gangsters talking about gangster stuff around grandmas

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and grandpa's, that are trying to have their peach cobbler or

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their frittata, and coffee and so forth in the morning. So it

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was a little bit of a different dialogue, probably the most

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patrons of that establishment were used to having or have

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around them at seven o'clock in the morning and Saturday. So and

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we'll kind of go on from there. But that's initially how it

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started. Speaking and, of course, the kind of the rule and

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coming from this mentality, number one, I think you and I

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both know that we need to number one be able to relate to them.

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before we're able to help out in any capacity, I don't think we

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necessarily need to go in and solve problems. But I think we

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need to be validated as being trustworthy, or gone through a

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certain number of steps. So these individuals that need the

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help, the ones that are we're here, they're we're here for are

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able to trust us or at least give us the respect of giving

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some of their attention and some of their, you know, ability to

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follow through on things. And so with me, to give you just a

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little bit of a short synopsis on my criminal history and

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background, I found out it's a little different, not better,

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not worse, I think it's actually worse in most cases, people

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might not look at it, but I didn't get in involved or have

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any sort of infraction with the law, where I immediately went to

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prison once I did. So I kind of skipped the county mistakes and

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so forth that a lot of people do. And they kind of say go

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through as far as grade school in high school, you get up to

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the big leagues, or you go to prison. different dynamic for

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each state, of course, but with me, mine was a situation with

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involving embezzled, we started off as embezzlement, but it

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actually turned into it was a theft by deception and just

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being completely transparent. And everything it was more of a

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situation of trying to keep up with the Joneses type of

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mentality where there's a lot of

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internal inventory and internal research that I've done on

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myself to find out that it's really kind of rude and of

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course, low self esteem a lot of these things that are indicative

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are symbiotic with what these other guys are going through. So

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we I I can appreciate that. And it was a situation to where

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involve banks involve loans through banks, and it was more

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or less it wasn't to fund a gambling addiction or a drug

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addiction or anything like that. It was simply to fund a

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lifestyle where I thought I needed to maintain a certain

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level of of visual pneus where I'm perceived as having them as

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much as the next door neighbor, whatever the case was anyway. So

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that once we got done with and once I was able to establish

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that and get out and involved in this program, then what it did

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is it aligned me with like minded individuals, where I

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really could kind of trust now and I think trust was a big

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thing in my past where we didn't have the trust ability I didn't

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trust that people would like me for not the best looking dude,

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not the can't jump the highest, you know, shortcomings in myself

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and, and insecurities about myself to where I thought that

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people wouldn't want to hang out or do something unless I had

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something to offer. So when you work in an environment like

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that, or when you come through an environment it is different

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and anybody that hasn't been or has been involved in the prison

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system can appreciate the fact when it's a complete respect,

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utopia, it is a utopia it's a completely different environment

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that we live in. Once we're behind the systems, it's our own

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little in the system, our own community. You know, we we eat,

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we have commerce, we have trade. We have everything that goes on

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in society is just the worst surrounded by, you know, barbed

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wire fence. So when you get out it's much different because

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having that sort of structure and sort of respect with much

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dire circumstances that we do in society, it, it's a unique

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experience. And that's one thing that we do have to adapt to. And

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coming from individuals, a lot of times that have will say it

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impulsivity is the number one thing I've seen, that has an

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issue. And people that don't sit down and wait and relax and

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think about their options, or think of a scenario out a lot of

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times as dire circumstances, and you are exactly right, Aurora,

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you know, we are, a lot of people are one decision away.

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But that doesn't justify those that have gone and had

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infractions or had, you know, backslides, or however you want

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to term it, to go to the to be involved in the prison system.

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So once you get out, we've have that get out of jail free card,

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so to speak, already sent are already spending we are much

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more culpable, and much more responsible for our decisions

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than somebody that might not be on something as simple as a

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traffic infraction or a traffic ticket. And to kind of maybe

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touch base a little bit with what you were speaking about.

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Kind of where we integrate with you is when you said fill in the

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cracks and so forth, that's exactly it we look at ourself is

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more of kind of an aggregate program, worthy individuals.

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Number one, we're not affiliated in any way shape or form with

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any sort of programming with any state mandated, you know,

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programming system through the Department of Corrections,

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parole departments, anything like that, we actually are

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completely self funded. We are completely autonomous. As far as

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our mission statement, what we're looking to do. And that's

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not saying that we don't agree with it. You know, we're in a

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state that we have a local college and not to toot anybody

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else's horn, but we do have great faculties and great

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resources and utilities, to help individuals almost with anything

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that they would need help with. We've been accepted. Also

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through the parole department in the past, where we, you know,

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had the parole officers that were telling us that they were

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going to, you know, drug test us and the parole officers a week

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reported to, before the COVID situation happened, we're now

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sending individuals that were coming out, we're in work,

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release, or refresh on parole, and we're kind of intensely

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supervised, we were an option

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for them to come to, as far as a meeting group with them, not

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programming at all, but we were accepted. And I think the reason

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that part of the reason we were accepted is we offer complete

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transparency, we come try to come in with the most realistic

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approach of, you know, anybody that gets out of prison is going

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to come out and they're going to have it already in their head

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that don't do drugs, don't drink, go to work. All of these

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things that most people take for granted. They're not taken for

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granted because they haven't been an option. This is

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sometimes very alien world that a lot of these guys are getting

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out that are wholeheartedly wanting to do. But sometimes

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they don't have the tools to be able to manage it. And when I

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say an aggregate program, we fill in the blanks when there's

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not parole officers to get ahold of the parole offices closed.

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It's after your a meeting or your narcotics meeting. And it's

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just you left with your thoughts. And sometimes these

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individuals that's a very, very bad situation, or a very

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incendiary situation, to where, you know, low culpability or how

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it learning to have culpability and already trying to overcome

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impulsivity issues and so forth. A lot of times it's very caustic

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stew for people to get involved in bad decision making and

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that's not their fault.

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Hmm, no, and like another reason why I needed to contact you once

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I found out what you guys are doing is that you are so

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incredibly precious to society. Like the work you are doing is

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so incredible, because I can totally see that when you are in

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prison. It's it's not comfortable, you're not free.

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You can do whatever you want, but you have structure. You have

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people around you that maybe give you a sense of safety at

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some point you you have kind of a brotherhood starting or like a

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safe place to be where everything is orderly and then

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you're being thrown out into society. And the weird things

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happen. After our right, the weird things happen once we are

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left alone with our thoughts, it's either suicidal or criminal

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or, or whatever comes up, it is so crazy. And you don't have to

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be an ex convict to have these anxious feelings and compulsive

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feelings. But those people needed the most. And that's why

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for me, it's so crazy to see that we know that nutrition.

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Same thing in hospitals, by the way, nutrition helps you with

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your mental health helps you to be stable helps you to have like

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a stable sugar to not slide into depression and obesity, which

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can affect your mind. And we know that Yeah, being slowly

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introduced into society would be a way better approach than just

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yeah, releasing them and letting them deal with all the triggers

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that there is all of a son again. And my my vision is

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really, that we can make people aware of this and that we don't

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demand this from the system to change, but to change it in our

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minds to know that you are just like me, wherever you've been

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convicted, or went to jail, that system trusted, that you are

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good to be released, and I fully trust them, I fully trust you.

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And let's move on, let's start our journey from here. And let's

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not, you know, guilt trip you or shame you for what you've done

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in the past. But let's help each other because the anxieties that

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you have, you know, not feeling enough having to keep up with

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the neighbor. Otherwise, we don't feel worthy. We all have

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that to some degree, and we all have to heal that wound and, and

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to put you on a on a pedestal now and to make you the bad guy

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now is is not the right way to go. And I have so much respect

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for you to share your story here and to to know that you went

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through so much pain, and now you want to help people to not

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feel alone and to not feel desperate. And yeah, it's just

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incredible what you guys are doing. And I would love you to

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share a little bit more how your daily life looks like with that

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mission. Do people call you in the middle of the night? Do you

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meet up with with people and do kind of an informal counseling?

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How can we how can we imagine your work?

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We have and understand as well. You know, some of these guys

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have done, you know, the horrible things are some of the

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stories we hear that if you have substance abuse, addictions

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going in, when people come out, they are the most sand, not

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necessarily hygienic, but sanitary. They follow protocol

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as far as guidelines in regards to their health and so forth.

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And I'm sure he probably is, you know, being incarcerated, I

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wasn't incarcerated, as long as a lot of these guys were no,

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they were probably a little bit more diligent or prudent as far

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as wiping hands and washing hands off and, you know, things

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like that. But when we get out and the reason I'm saying this

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is because COVID has, you know, basically turned everybody into

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Dr. Fauci. Everybody has turned into into a situation that we

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have to do this and then have to do that, which is good, but it

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really does kind of it does segment you know, or

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compartmentalize individuals to not have group environments. And

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with us, part of the drawing part of our tackling fuel is

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that group environment, you know, people you know, like

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things like manipulation. manipulation isn't necessarily

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always a bad thing. And I'm a huge proponent and subscriber to

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it, as well. I think that you know, a lot of times

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manipulation and peer pressure, when applied very appropriately,

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in a good environment does allow some people to see Kind of the

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error of their ways, especially if they're stuck in a thought

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process where they can't get over the fact of, they might

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need to absorb a little bit of culpability just a little bit.

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And that's real, that's hard for us as human beings. And I think

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that's one of the things that it's trying to be a hypocrite

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with, with a lot of these guys saying, you know, we need to, we

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need to practice culpability and self awareness and compassion,

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all that stuff when we see a lot of that baking in the world

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right now. And so one thing that we try to do is get them ahead

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of the curve, as far as acceptability in the society and

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holding doors open for people as they go through and not rushing

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through or allowing someone to go in front of you in line. And

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a lot of guys, I noticed do do that most guys that uh, we come

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out, that we see coming out and social, you know, interactions

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or occasions are perfect gentlemen. Because they know

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that if you do that, in and violate that rule, while you're

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in prison, it very well can end up with your head getting

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slammed in a steel door as a sign of disrespect. So we

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calibrated our thought process much differently. So a lot of

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these guys are on board. And like I said, with a little bit

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of peer pressure, and a little bit of manipulation. As far as

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circumstances, you have these guys on board for doing the

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right thing. And the right thing really honestly started off

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before COVID happened within our meanings.

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By saying just take one other person into consideration when

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you do your decision making just one other person, meaning it

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could be the person for me, it doesn't even have to do with

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what you have going on. But just take or think of someone else.

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Think of how it would affect someone else, even if it doesn't

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affect them at all. That I think kind of sows the seeds of

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compassion and empathy and things to where you're not a

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you're not a sucker, you're not a punk, you're not anything,

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you're just a normal effing human being that you know, I

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mean, we, if we help out other people, then that's a little bit

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infectious. And most of the stuff that we do, is and we're

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completely fine with it is is we don't get, we don't get patted

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on the back, and so forth. And the nice thing about it is

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everybody that's involved with this, all five founders, none of

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us are in it for the glory. I mean, for hear me being the one

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that's out, I just am the one that loves to hear myself talk

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the most. So the only reason that I'm in front of everybody

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is and nobody else is because I don't have I don't have the

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reservations or things and these guys beyond me can tell stories

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for days. And hopefully we get to that point. But this is kind

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of a new platform for us social media, podcasting, but it

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doesn't change the message of what we've been out here doing

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and grinding and helping people out and taking phone calls and

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absorbing costs of getting guys to, you know, Costco, so we can

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get a boxer shorts and jeans and socks and everything that they

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need, because they're going out into the world and they need a

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job, and they don't have the ability. And nobody cares why

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they don't have that ability to fund themselves or clothe

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themselves or whatever. But some of these guys just don't have

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it. And that doesn't make them that doesn't make their

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situation any less to succeed. And we can so if we can help out

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in any way we will, will in in in more of a compassion

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perspective as well. Anybody who gets on our Facebook page

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fantasies, what we're about, we try to have a consistent

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positivity. We just we don't like to completely come away. We

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like to have some, you know that we put videos up of prison

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stories and so forth, because that is polarizing. There's no

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other way to get it's funny we I did a Oh a group talk about a

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year and a half ago. And it was just kind of an opening for a

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lunch and then so forth. And it was just the Very Vanilla

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homogenized prison stories that I've accrued or seen throughout

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mine. And these guys that work in the medical, like the tech

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medical field. It was for a lunch and it was probably it was

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only about 2025 minutes and they sat like kindergarteners, Indian

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style around with their mouth wide open, just listening to how

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we make prison burritos, or the process it takes to get, you

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know, a cigarette or the process it takes whatever it would be in

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prison. It's just it's it's completely amazed these

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individuals so if we have a plan form with that and an interest

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with society and where people go, then we need to get a

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message across as far as how we can help these individual, if

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that makes sense.

Unknown: 00:25:11

Oh, total, totally like, it makes wonderful sense. And you

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just made me aware again, of the pressure that people must feel

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of, of, yeah, trying to be perfect and trying to not make

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any mistakes. And in jail, you function a very certain way. And

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then you being released into society. And all of a sudden you

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meet rude people, you meet people who yet totally trigger

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you, or, you know, you hold the door, and the girl is being

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like, very ungrateful. And, you know, like, it's a very weird

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world that we live in at the moment. And I can can't imagine

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it being very difficult. Like I noticed.

Unknown: 00:26:04

Absolutely, and not to interrupt you, I'm sorry. It just reminded

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me to say the biggest trigger that a lot of these guys have

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getting out and so forth, is being made to feel insignificant

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or not equal. So when I say, people going in doors are not

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saying thank you, that's a big turnoff, because it's not. It's

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not that they have a chip on their shoulder. It's that

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they're really trying hard, and harder than anybody else. And a

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lot of Scituate, I can personally attest to this. Yeah,

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there are a lot of guys out here that are trying with everything

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they have, man, they're trying so so hard. And when somebody

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comes across and does something, they don't have the faculties

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yet, as far as they're generating them, and they're

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exercising and growing them. But they don't have the faculties

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not to see and to be I think completely civilian eyes back

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into the real world. That is rude. No matter who you are, if

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you walk inside of a door, I don't care in a prison or not

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order and just act like you don't see someone. That's not

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how not. That's how that's how scumbags act is what I think, is

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just an ugly soul.

Unknown: 00:27:21

Exactly. And but the problem with people who just got out of

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jail is that they make it about themselves, they think, Oh,

Unknown: 00:27:30

yeah, I'm still not worthy, I still feel so much guilt and

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shame. This is why the person is treating me that way. And it is

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wrong, it is because the person is a jerk from the get go, and

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he would have treated me the same way he would have treated

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you. It has nothing to do with your worth. But this is what

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you're trying to make people aware of. And I have a feeling

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that you're going to turn people into mindfulness warriors, and

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heart driven leaders, because you're going to give them tools,

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that the normal person who never went to jail, who lives a very

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ignorant life embedded in society will never have access

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to because they didn't have to go through this intense pain.

Unknown: 00:28:18

Not to say that we have to go. People have to go through

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intense pain. But sometimes the beauty of it is that we learn

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tools on how to live a more meaningful life, purposeful

Unknown: 00:28:34

life, more simple life. I only met Patrick once, but he gives

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me like the vibe that he's a very content person with, with

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not much like he seems very humble about it, at least, or

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intimidating. Very maddening. Yeah, it's somebody that

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balanced.

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Yeah, but he is not the threatening or aggressive in any

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way. He's just very confident. And maybe he wouldn't have this

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confidence. If he didn't have to go through health first, do you

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do know what I'm trying to say?

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I do. And I think you know, and that's a good point, or is that

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we learn as much from these gentlemen coming out. Or as much

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as sponges, they are probably even more so because we're

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learning to have a diet we're needing to. We're learning about

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a dynamic or a twist on a dynamic or behavioral, you know,

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personality type that we need to utilize and be able to help

Unknown: 00:29:42

future ones we're not maybe necessarily trying to, to find

Unknown: 00:29:46

the right path are finding the right way to do things as much

Unknown: 00:29:50

disease individuals that are getting out although we are, you

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know, in the same breath, but the number one thing is that

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these guys a lot of times, we'll see People coming out that are

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extremely seasoned, that come out and don't get upset and say

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when they something goes wrong. And you know, someone does

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something that we perceive as an infraction, and it might even

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upset me, you find guys that are still in that are getting out or

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just freshly got out. That said, you don't know what that

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person's going through, or I'm going to pray for that person,

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or whatever it is. And that's a very, that's something that I

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don't have yet still. And I'm trying very hard to do it. And

Unknown: 00:30:33

it's funny, because maybe that's, you know, whether or not

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they're saying the right thing they knew, and it was very

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effective and tactical that they said it right there. And right

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at that specific point. And, you know, I think a lot of these

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individuals that are getting out and we're trying to help, we're

Unknown: 00:30:52

not trying to do anything other than perpetuate the greater

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good. Yeah. So when we do things, you know, we're all

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we're completely self funded. We're not privately funded

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through anybody. We help out in areas where we know that they

Unknown: 00:31:06

can help out we did as these on our website gave away 10 free

Unknown: 00:31:12

dinners during when COVID first shut the world down, shut the

Unknown: 00:31:16

world, the world was shut down. Completely weird dynamic for

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these gentlemen that are stepping out into an

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environment. I've never seen anything like it at the time, my

Unknown: 00:31:27

92 year old grandfather, asking me through points of lucidity,

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if he's ever seen anything like this, He neither has either. So

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that's another variable in the equation that these guys have to

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put in to figure out the solution. So we also, you know,

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I mean, just to say that we're empathized in the greater good

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as far as what people need, people need for immediate help.

Unknown: 00:31:52

And that allows them to not have to worry because like I said, a

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lot of times, little things will take you off your main goal. So

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if we can kind of aggregate we fill in the cracks, you know,

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we'd be able to hopefully, allow these people to stay on the path

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where they can get back, get the momentum going. So they can, you

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know, remove the training wheels and just let momentum carry on

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them in a decent direction and in the right direction. And it's

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a, I was trying, I wanted to have another lady throughout

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this, this interview, introduce her because it puts us in

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contact with other groups, other groups that now we're working

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with the lady who is telling lady, her husband, and they have

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a organization or foundation that they deal with helping out

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an inmate or certainly inmates, through private funding for

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basic necessities, and then kind of doing a think tank and so

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forth. A lot of times and using social media, if you're really

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doing the right thing, it does allow us kind of an engine to

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where we can highlight or we can feature an individual that is on

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all paper doing the right things. And I don't you know,

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one thing about us is we we practice complete transparency.

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So for every good one that gets out and speaking the right word

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about what he or she is going to do. There's also another one

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that is saying exactly what everybody wants to hear. And

Unknown: 00:33:26

when they step out, their actions do not mimic their

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words, and they end up you know, re offending and going back. And

Unknown: 00:33:34

that doesn't mean that they're not any less important. But with

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the greater good and what we're doing we're trying to align

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ourselves with, with programs that will help out and give the

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initiative to the people that everything that they've shown us

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is that they do want to change you know, we're not a we're

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definitely not officiating, that we don't catch everything that

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comes in and love professionally, we have respect

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for everybody. And we have everything you know, in line and

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in place online to where we can you know, individuals that are

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struggling, we can point them in the right direction as far as

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assistance through programming, or housing or job placement or

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certification for job pantries, things like that we have other

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avenues and other resources that we're familiar with and we can

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send them but as far as the personal decisions and you know

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the the personal fortitude to want to change yourself. That's

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really where we're kind of programmed as far as being or

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where our program is, is is rooted in as far as our business

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model and our mission statement of where we want to go and what

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we want to do. Now this is because everybody does make

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everybody does make decisions and everybody might be one step

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away but you know, there are some agree Just steps along the

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process. A lot of times it's knucklehead decision making. And

Unknown: 00:35:03

I think anybody will tell you that civilians are the ones that

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have done things right their entire lives. There is honorable

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to us as maybe workers, some people that have gotten out and

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turn their lives around this perceived other people, just

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because people that have done the right thing. And you know, a

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lot of these people have thoughts like my great

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grandfather, where you just go to work because you have to, and

Unknown: 00:35:29

you just do everything you do for the family, and you're not

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special. You're not a snowflake, you do what the next door

Unknown: 00:35:35

neighbor does, because that's what everybody does for the

Unknown: 00:35:38

greater good. And I, I do like that. I do like that approach,

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because it offers a very humble, you know, very humble sort of

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identity as individuals to do it the right way. And do it the not

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trying to reinvent the wheel.

Unknown: 00:35:54

Mm hmm. No, I totally. I totally agree with that, Kristen. I just

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would like people to see that we can approach this more with a

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healing attitude and compassionate attitude. And and

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know that, yeah, people, some people just were led astray. But

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they have value, they have extreme value. They're so

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precious, we can learn from from everybody around us. And we need

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to do this together, we can just keep people separated, and think

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that they're going to function because as soon as there is

Unknown: 00:36:37

separation, there is sickness. Because we're all meant to be

Unknown: 00:36:42

connected. We're meant to work together to heal together, to

Unknown: 00:36:46

grow together. And I get it, the system is how it is we separate

Unknown: 00:36:51

people who have done something wrong. But if we have the

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intention to release them back to society, we have to do a

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better job at reintroducing them. And yeah, once again, I

Unknown: 00:37:05

have so much respect for the work you're doing. Because I can

Unknown: 00:37:10

see now maybe during COVID, even more people are are rising up to

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their purpose. It is not any more about well, do you have

Unknown: 00:37:20

that degree? Did you actually study this because otherwise,

Unknown: 00:37:23

I'm not going to believe you, Christian, I don't care what

Unknown: 00:37:28

degree you have. I know you're doing such an awesome job.

Unknown: 00:37:33

Because you approach it with your heart. you approach it

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from, from your perspective, from your experiences, and you

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have the empathy to understand what other people might need.

Unknown: 00:37:46

And this is so much more valuable than any degree that

Unknown: 00:37:50

you could get through books. I want to ask you one.

Unknown: 00:37:56

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, I wanted to say that that's, and I

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think, you know, just to tell your, your audience and so

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forth, and educate them, that's where we kind of aligned with

Unknown: 00:38:10

each other. Because what you bring to the table is that you

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know, that that transcendental kind of approach to mental

Unknown: 00:38:20

healing or personal mental healing? The application can be

Unknown: 00:38:25

throughout the day, however it is, but it does. And I think it

Unknown: 00:38:29

keeps people in touch, and it keeps people connected. Because

Unknown: 00:38:33

the one you know, one of the things that we look at as

Unknown: 00:38:36

triggers is when people start to isolate, once they start to

Unknown: 00:38:40

isolate, it doesn't necessarily always mean that it's bad

Unknown: 00:38:43

things. But usually all bad things, start with isolation or

Unknown: 00:38:49

isolating yourself from individuals because you feel

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guilty or whatever the case is.

Unknown: 00:38:54

Yeah, yeah. And another thing I want to add to that is that

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people who have been in this protected environments have to

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say, Now out in society sometimes maybe feel

Unknown: 00:39:07

overstimulated and just think, Oh my god, what is all this

Unknown: 00:39:11

craziness? And it is exactly those people who can make me

Unknown: 00:39:17

aware of the crazy life I'm living and then I can make sense

Unknown: 00:39:22

of why do I have insomnia? Why do I have headaches all the

Unknown: 00:39:26

time? Well, yeah, because we all run around like chickens with

Unknown: 00:39:31

chopped of heads and a person who has been removed for a

Unknown: 00:39:36

certain time and let's say after 20 years comes back can really

Unknown: 00:39:40

make us aware of where have we come to and where do we need to

Unknown: 00:39:45

go back to because it is all going in into very weird

Unknown: 00:39:50

directions now.

Unknown: 00:39:52

Well, absolutely in like you had said to, you know, getting out I

Unknown: 00:39:58

referred to it as kind of delay legions of grantor and that's,

Unknown: 00:40:02

that's your you're preaching from that book that's exactly

Unknown: 00:40:05

right, we get out and we get overwhelmed because we've been

Unknown: 00:40:08

psyching ourselves up to this time when we get out, we get

Unknown: 00:40:12

out, I'm going to do things different, I'm going to run for

Unknown: 00:40:14

mayor and I'm going to be governor and then I'm gonna

Unknown: 00:40:16

become president, the United States and I'm going to be

Unknown: 00:40:19

Superman, I'm gonna get a cape on the can fly and I can do and

Unknown: 00:40:23

it's, it's your intention, probably, you know, you have

Unknown: 00:40:26

good intention, and I come from the same subscription, but then

Unknown: 00:40:30

you get out and you find out that we don't live on Mars, and

Unknown: 00:40:34

there's only 24 hours in a day to be able to do these things.

Unknown: 00:40:39

And that's where it we do try to help out. And I like working

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with that demographic of individuals because that they

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can become discouraged really quick. And like I said, the

Unknown: 00:40:53

impulsivity and sometimes we see, you know, whether it's

Unknown: 00:40:57

society based or within the individual or pharmacology or

Unknown: 00:41:03

whatever the thing is, it's a different mentality now in the

Unknown: 00:41:08

civilian world and within the incarcerated world, to where I

Unknown: 00:41:14

heard a convenient, say, at one time is that people to eat, they

Unknown: 00:41:18

go to the Abyss really quick now. And what I mean is that

Unknown: 00:41:24

sometimes you just shake your head, as far as the logic behind

Unknown: 00:41:30

some of this decision making, meaning that if you got your, if

Unknown: 00:41:33

you got your shifts canceled at McDonald's, that's a reason to

Unknown: 00:41:37

run out and run a kick door robbery on somebody, because

Unknown: 00:41:41

you're not feeling good. And you're like, we're like, Whoa,

Unknown: 00:41:44

whoa, whoa, whoa, where did we get into that line of thinking,

Unknown: 00:41:48

well, that's a herd mentality. That's someone that hasn't had

Unknown: 00:41:51

probably anybody really give a damn about him to look at him.

Unknown: 00:41:55

And through manipulation, and through peer pressure, say that

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is the dumbest thing I said, dumbest thing that's ever come

Unknown: 00:42:05

out of your mouth, that I've heard you saying a lot of guys,

Unknown: 00:42:09

that helps out because what it proves is there's someone out

Unknown: 00:42:12

there that does, that might not care about him his foot, you

Unknown: 00:42:15

know, may not I'm not gonna move you into my house. But I am in a

Unknown: 00:42:19

situation to where it shows that someone does care, it shows that

Unknown: 00:42:22

someone is looking out for me to say, don't do that, instead of

Unknown: 00:42:28

well then hit me up when you're done. And, you know, whatever

Unknown: 00:42:30

the case is, it's just a situation to see that someone is

Unknown: 00:42:34

taking time out of their day, even if it's through chastising,

Unknown: 00:42:39

to say, why what is going on, like, let's, let's sit down for

Unknown: 00:42:43

a sec, and rethink this evaluation of what exactly you

Unknown: 00:42:46

want to come out of this situation. And it's, it's, it's

Unknown: 00:42:49

ramping, unfortunately, now, and I think it's number one, it

Unknown: 00:42:53

plays into no culpability, and I hate to keep beating. But if you

Unknown: 00:42:56

notice, there's kind of a trend or a pattern, as far as things

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that we utilize within our, our group, and, and words and

Unknown: 00:43:04

terminology that will keep coming up. And that's important

Unknown: 00:43:07

culpability, self respect. You know, having a thought process

Unknown: 00:43:15

where you think of someone else, one thing that I'm trying one

Unknown: 00:43:19

thing I'm trying to do now and it's we're trying to formulate

Unknown: 00:43:23

clothing while I'm trying to deal with all sorts of things,

Unknown: 00:43:25

delusions of grandeur, like I just got out. But just a simple

Unknown: 00:43:29

thing of wait five years, we are looking at starting just kind of

Unknown: 00:43:33

a clothing line. And that's the name of like hats and shirts

Unknown: 00:43:37

that just say wait five, and it's like, it's just it stabs

Unknown: 00:43:41

right at the heart of impulsivity? Yeah, wait five

Unknown: 00:43:44

minutes. You think you got it all figured out? Sit down, wait

Unknown: 00:43:48

five and reevaluate. Because we're not day traders. We all

Unknown: 00:43:54

have felonies, we can't be day traders. So you don't need to

Unknown: 00:43:57

make you know, tactical financial decisions now within

Unknown: 00:44:01

the next five minutes. Yeah, whatever you're worried about or

Unknown: 00:44:04

stressed about moving on right now. It's probably going to be

Unknown: 00:44:08

there in five minutes from now. Yeah. Yeah. And that just gives

Unknown: 00:44:11

a different perspective. Yeah,

Unknown: 00:44:13

no, totally and, and what comes to mind when when I listened to

Unknown: 00:44:17

you is that you are not your impulsivity you are not your

Unknown: 00:44:22

thoughts. Your thoughts are there. And you can observe them,

Unknown: 00:44:28

but you don't have to act upon them. They are there and you can

Unknown: 00:44:31

just let them float by and like you say, can't tell five,

Unknown: 00:44:37

sometimes even 10 but but, you know, let it let it happen and

Unknown: 00:44:43

don't act upon it. And we can all learn about it. Because look

Unknown: 00:44:49

at the here. Traffic rage, road rage people wrote. They could

Unknown: 00:44:55

totally Yeah, I can see them by by your T shirts, too. And I

Unknown: 00:45:00

want one to please

Unknown: 00:45:01

what they have the road rage is they have some of the best

Unknown: 00:45:04

videos out on Tiktok road rage video so let's not completely

Unknown: 00:45:10

you know, as long as no state laws are, you know, are broken.

Unknown: 00:45:15

Oh, keep in mind it's not I am the worst one. So, you know,

Unknown: 00:45:19

this is the I didn't this didn't come out of his beautiful mug

Unknown: 00:45:23

didn't come out of the box like this. Everything that we say and

Unknown: 00:45:28

everything that we try to be very casual with a very

Unknown: 00:45:33

professional line. I am worse than anybody when it comes to

Unknown: 00:45:37

impulsivity. And it's just an issue to where, if you know that

Unknown: 00:45:42

there are still impulsive things or or what do they call it was

Unknown: 00:45:47

the corniest thing I've ever heard stinking thinking,

Unknown: 00:45:50

stinking Fang. So if you have any part of that in your head,

Unknown: 00:45:54

yeah, what you need to do is surround yourself or make sure

Unknown: 00:45:59

that you have a good environment with family, children, friends,

Unknown: 00:46:04

co workers, whatever the case would be that do care and do

Unknown: 00:46:09

kind of hold you accountable. And I think for all of us, Pat

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is definitely that polarizing member with us. Like I'd spoke

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to you before, Pat, I can't say enough about the guy. And a lot

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of times it's, it feels like you're telling your uncle or

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your dad something to where you feel like if you want to include

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them or haven't helped you with a problem. Sometimes you're

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free, like you're feeling like you're going to let him down, or

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he's going to be disappointed in you. And that's i i think that's

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very integral as well that I think that's very important.

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Yeah, because that means you still have a little bit of human

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blood pumping through your body, and you still have that

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connection to emotion and hurt and, you know, pride and

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everything, all the good stuff that comes with it.

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Yeah, no, absolutely. Very, very well said. We are running out of

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time here. Christ. This is crazy. Good. Okay, that's okay.

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Now, I also just want Yeah, no, go ahead. No, one thing I would

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just like to do is anybody that has any questions, we would like

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to, you know, obviously doing this but convict connection on

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Facebook, I don't know how we would like to kind of interface

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a website with it, I would like to do it only for validity

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reasons. But that is coming online, there's a bunch of

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things we're doing, I talked a little bit about an individual,

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a lady that we're working with, it's in her husband that are

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helping out, sending some funds in, we've actually expanded

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beyond that, and seeing if we can turn it in and get some

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follows and get some success and, and attention to this cause

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it would also allow us to really step up and help individuals

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stepping out where they don't have help. So if we can involve

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this, you know, throughout the United States and get

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incorporated with helping these individuals coming out, showing

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that they're doing their thing that also gives us a lot of data

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to be able to share with employers and state agencies and

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everything to give these guys kind of a little bit of a push

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once they get out into society, because I noticed that that is

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that would be something else that we would be able to help

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out. Because that's makes a lot of people stumble, that's

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hurdles that those aren't easy things to accomplish. And if you

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get a wrong answer, and things and so forth, you have to live

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with it. Or you don't have something happen for you right

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away, you have the frustration. Yeah, we can kind of help those

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people coming out. We know we know what it's like on the other

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side of the fence. And we know that when you do hit the

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streets, there's a reason like we feel like we've paid our debt

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to society, because it's consistently it's consistently

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living in a different environment. Yeah, nonstop from

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when you wake up to when you go to bed. So anything we can do to

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help kind of get them back to where they need to be. That's

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our that's our, that's our responsibility.

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Yeah, no, I see it the same way and I would feel so honored if I

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could be part of this. And helping out as much as I can to

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give people a platform where they can pour out their heart

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and tell us Hey, you guys are being rude. You guys are being

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so insensitive and like appealing to our compassion and

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empathy because we all need more of us.

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Absolutely, and you can't help what you don't know about it. So

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learning from us, like Like I said, you know, seeing the just

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the stories how it's absorbed. And eaten and how people just

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want more information on that. Because a lot of it, it's it's

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like Outer Space living, they don't know anything about it. So

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everything is fascinating to them. And if we can do that it

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will offer kind of nothing, but I just, you know, knowledge is

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power. All the old cliches are true, the more you know, the

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more powerful and the more empowered you feel. So you're

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absolutely a catalyst in that I appreciate everything that we've

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done together. And I know for a fact that there is definitely

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you're definitely a part of the puzzle, as far as what we need

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to do and help out and so forth. So I think I appreciate

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everything that you've done. And like I said, I look forward to

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working with you in the future. Hopefully, we can get some cases

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coming out and individuals that you can speak with as well. And

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other kinds of foundations and organizations that are on the

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same page as us.

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Yeah, no, I would love that so much. And yeah, we are connected

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now. I will make sure to give people the possibility to

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contact you if they have any questions, or they can contact

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me. And yeah, we go from here. first episode and this

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done? Absolutely. And we will be reflected just like on yours.

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Will we, you know, like will reflect you and advertise you on

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our, on our I think my like my parents says, we'll put you on

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the Facebook's with arms on our side. Yeah, facebook, facebook.

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Yeah. Well, I'll put on that in the Twitter chat. I'll put you

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on all

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that. Yeah, put me on that.

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Stamp, Twitter and face chat.

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Yeah. I love it so much. Thank you so much for your time,

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Kristen. That was lovely kickstart of our collaboration

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here.

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I appreciate it or be well.

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Well, thank you, everybody, for listening to this interview. It

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is dear to my heart, to have these conversations and to cut

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through people's prejudice. And to show people that it doesn't

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matter where you come from, you can create great things, you can

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have a mission that is life changing for people and for

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society. And I'm just Yeah, very blessed and feel very honored to

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be working with Kristian and Patrick in the future and to

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keep to keep this work up. Thank you so much for your support.

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Make sure that you're subscribed on Apple podcast, Spotify,

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Deezer, Stitcher, wherever you can find podcasts. And if you

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want to send me a tap on the shoulder, leave me a review on

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Apple podcasts. Thank you so much. I will be out there very

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soon. Again.