He just wants to camp with young boys in peace! The Fogies get civic-minded in terrified anticipation of the coming presidential election, with Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. The movie completes Fahad’s itinerant theme with his first movies of S1 & S2, Ingrid Goes West and Mrs. Harris Goes to Paris. 

Mr. Smith Goes to Washington - dir. Frank Capra - 1939

Welcome back to old Fogies and Films. Each episode, the members of this panel take turns assigning a film to watch and discuss.

Boogie roll call.

Eric.

Ruth.

Shelley?

Thank you.

And majority leader, that's me. As we noted last time for the first cycle of season 3 we thought it would be interesting if each of us tried to complete a theme with our first movies from seasons one and 2.

Luckily, mine was the easiest theme to figure out because my first movie was Ingrid Goes West and my second movie was Mrs. Harris Goes to Paris.

So you can kind of see where this is going. So for our third season for this round, I chose.

Mr. Smith goes to Washington.

Is that good? Was that okay?

Yeah. Okay.

And that's all.

Okay. Mr. Smith goes to Washington. Stars James Stewart as Jeff Smith. Jeff is a naive but passionate man that finds himself thrust into the world of Washington politics after he is selected to replace a senator from his state that had died.

He becomes a pawn in a corrupt scheme surrounding a proposed dam project in his home state. When he attempts to expose the truth about the scheme, he faces betrayal in a rigged political system that launches a smear campaign against him and it threatens his position as a senator.

The film takes a turn when Smith, who's pushed to his limits, stages a filibuster on the Senate floor delivering a powerful and emotional speech.

Despite the odds, Smith's resilience ultimately wins out with the corruption being revealed to everyone by the end of the So let's talk a little bit about the movie.

I'll go around and see what everybody thinks. I'll start with Eric.

Oh my goodness. I didn't think I'd have to go first. Well, So I have a whole sudden notes here.

I enjoyed the movie, of course. I think it's a little long, but it didn't really feel like that.

I've said it a million times, but I love the dialogue from this era. Just things are so well written.

It's fun to see James, Stuart's So young. I was gonna say it's funny for how you were trying to complete this theme.

You could have gone to the same director one year before this, cause he did a movie, or no, 3 years before this, because he did a movie called Mr. Deeds Goes to Tap.

You had a couple options with just this one director.

I think I think I saw that on the list. I was looking for Go's movies and I believe that's what the Adam Sandler, Mr. Deeds is a remake of.

Is it here? Okay.

And just gonna say that, I'm pretty sure. And Jimmy Stewart was only 30 in the.

Sorry to interrupt you, but I just wanted to. So young.

I know, yeah, and this was the in I think in 1940 He did his last few films before the war and then He didn't work again for like 5 or 6 years or something because it was just the war.

Right. Because

I wasn't he didn't he go to work?

And,

Yeah, he joined. Yeah, a lot of people did it timing. You know.

But isn't that crazy to think about? Sorry, I don't want to jump into your thing. But I was just thinking about that.

Like he went to war, he was a movie star in movies. Can you imagine that happening now?

Yeah. I wonder if. I don't know if he was famous, famous enough for this, but I had me wondering when a movie, stars like him were sent to war, did they sort of put them in cushion positions to make sure they stayed safe because you know it's it's bad for American morale if you're you know a hero of the silver screen.

Thank you.

That is a

Is something terrible happens to them and I don't remember many stories about that so I wonder if maybe they were protected a little bit from the worst of things.

Maybe it's like Captain America, you know, Captain America, the first Avenger movie. He isn't immediately put into war.

But who knows? You know.

Okay.

He just goes around from a place location to location and does like the little show for all of the soldiers.

Even though he's part of the army because I guess they don't want to put them in dangerous way because of like you said, Eric, if you saw your like hero die that would be horrible for morale.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

We're kinda like Prince Harry and Prince William. They were both technically in the Army and Anyway, sorry.

Yeah.

Well, in Korea, it's still a requirements to do so to do arms services. Like when you turn 18 or something for a couple of years at least and so all these pop stars you know, who are in these boy bands over there.

They become very, very famous, but then they have to go and do this service for all so they have to take breaks.

From that, which is kind of crazy because they really push those kids over there. I mean, it's like every day they're doing stuff that they don't waste any time so it Imagine them taking a couple of years.

Away and then coming back to it. But, somehow they have a system for doing that, but it's a little bit crazy.

I think they have the same thing in Israel, don't they? Gg, but, oh had to do arms, but yeah.

Yeah, famous.

Yeah.

I remember a story about how they were surprised to find she already had weapons training and she was better with like the weapons.

And then men on set. So yeah, so, anyway, so. So this movie, it's the second black and white movie, Fahad's May is Watch.

And it's also this is like a one that has an extended montage of newspaper printing.

And it got me this is like is this the hot thing? He's seeking these things out. Yeah.

No. It is not my thing if I were to choose a quote unquote theme. No. Hold in newspapers reading.

Huh.

Okay.

No.

I like James Stewart. He was, I mean, he's a little of a bit of a simpleton in this one, definitely very naive.

And so I kind of didn't get, this isn't a character he played that I got into as much as other characters he's played.

I think he was playing some very innocent and wholesome. Characters earlier in his career but I like some of the later stuff where it gets a little more I guess a little more depth, you know, like red window or rope.

I think one of the first movies he did when he got back from the war was actually another copper movie and one of Shelley's favorites.

It's a wonderful life. But apparently that movie did not do well when it came out, I guess.

Oh, isn't that crazy? And now it's like. Every year.

Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know if you noticed.

Apparently Kapra does it's so funny. We just, and I definitely just had a conversation about this.

Forget who else was involved, but about modern creators who reuse actors playing different characters in their subsequent projects like Plant, Mike Flanagan does it a lot.

Josh Weed and used to be known for it. I think, Brian Murphy does it.

Adam Sandler.

Ryan Murphy. Ruth is right.

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. So, Adam Sandler, yeah.

And, like his friends. Yeah. Okay.

Sandler uses a lot of the same people.

Yeah.

I lost my train of thought. Let me get back on it. Oh, apparently Copper does that too because I was looking at some of his, ling looking looking up some of the actors in this movie and notice that they were in other other Capra films.

For instance, I was wondering like, is this the movie that kind of put James Stewart?

Jimmy Stewart on the map. And I think it is because it was a lead role for him.

But just one year before this, he was in a copper film where he was part of an ensemble cast and that film did really well.

So I think that that was when people first started to really notice him. And I had seen him Maybe that same year or a couple years before in the sequel to the Thin Man.

Where he played a sweet guy who but who turned out to be the murderer so I guess not technically a sweet guy.

Oh.

Spoilers?

That was really weird for me to see. Give me Stewart beat the bad guy, but

Okay.

So, so he's, so a couple of people from this movie were in that one, I think, besides James Stewart, but also, it's a wonderful life.

Had a couple people from this movie, including I guess the eldest son and it's a wonderful life.

Was in this movie credit as baby dumpling. Did you see that in the credits? I had to look it up because it was like who's baby dumping?

No.

No.

Yeah.

And I guess it was, you know, it was that era, you know, in the thirties where it really famous kids would get these kind of nicknames they would be credited by instead of their feelings so baby dumpling was a famous kid.

Oh. Okay.

Who was in the blondie and Dagwood movies. And so by the time he's in, it's a wonderful life.

I want to say he's like 12, but I think he's one of the You remember the one of the early sings in this movie where that guy sits down to dinner in his whole all of his children have an opinion about who we should appoint.

The governor.

Yeah.

The youngest kids is baby dumpling. Who is then, Jimmy Stewart's son in it's Wonderful Life.

Eric, it's funny you brought up Blondie and Dagwood because when I was looking for movies with the title goes in it.

Okay.

There were I think 2 at least of those blonde movies like Bondi goes to college or something like that.

Yeah, I didn't know they did these movies, but there's a ton of them I guess.

I didn't know that there were any movies. I knew the comics trip. But never, he's moving, so it's funny you brought that up.

Yeah, I didn't know there was any. Justin.

Even when I first saw some of him, I just thought, what are these blondie movies? I did not connect it to the comic strip until I finally read a synopsis and it said Landy and Dagwood are raising a kid and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is like from the comics.

Yeah.

I used to love watching it and then I watched it again and then it was a little It's extra.

Okay.

What, what have you seen?

Oh, the old, I used to watch like the old but like Thank you, yeah.

Bondi and Dagwood. Oh, I didn't know that.

You'd seen this? I'm weird. You must be the only person on that.

Yeah. I like Okay, yeah, I was when I was little, I don't remember somewhere on cable.

Where did you watch them? Like on TV.

But parents or my dad especially will watch a lot of old movies so then I would see some stuff too that I thought look cool or interesting to watch.

Very cool.

Yeah, they had blondie goes to college and they also had plenty goes Latin.

That sounds like a different kind of movie.

I stayed away from that one. I wanna say that there's a Somebody famous play Bondi in one of the blondie movies.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Oh, it wasn't always the same actress.

No, Pen Penny Singleton was in blondie goes to college and blondie goes Latin.

He was also in I think the one with at least one of them with baby

But

Okay. I'm trying to see who is in the. Other one that was famous.

I mean, yeah, in the other movies. Blondie has served in trouble. Somebody is a problematic in their titles.

Oh

Yeah. Blondie takes on that so far they're all those are all Penny Singleton.

Oh wow.

How about that one? Either.

Cool. Okay.

Hmm.

She's been in a lot of them. Blondie goes on Blondie on a budget.

Bondi meets the boss.

Okay. I don't wanna check some of them out. But anyway, I don't wanna like focus on the blondie, but.

Blondie on the budget.

I know. Thanks.

Yeah.

I'll try to move quickly through, but I have, through the rest of my notes, but I have a lot.

So maybe I'll just briefly touch base on some things and then maybe you guys can talk about them if you like it but.

One thing, 2 things that I thought were really interesting about watching this movie was, first of all, the year that it takes place, 1939 before you know war breaks out.

And the US wouldn't join the war for another couple of years. And I thought that was very interesting because, it seemed to me like this movie might have been made.

With a purpose sort of like propaganda for democracy. Trying to, you know, convince the American people the value of democracy and, you know, how one person can, can, you know, have integrity and and do what's right.

Because there was I don't know if you've been following it or if you if you watch Rachel Maddow but she just she did a podcast last year called Ultra.

And now she has a book called Prequel and it's about how in the years before we joined World War 2 there was actually a very large faction of the American population.

That were supporting Hitler and fascism, including in in 1,939 there was a Nazi rally.

By Americans in Madison Square Garden. And it's, so her whole podcast and in her book were about all these stories that people are kind of shocked to hear about because we weren't told that any of this was the case, you know, the story we always hear is that You know, America, you know, Americans were never, we never agreed with any of that.

We just stayed out of the war until We knew that, you know, there was no. Possible way for the world out of it unless we join the fight.

But that's not really the case. And I, so I'm sort of putting those pieces together and thinking like this this film must have been very pointed like a pointed statement to the American public at the time about.

About American values. And so I found that very interesting. And I think that that might be true because during the war period, Kapra actually turned away from directing feature films like this to directing war public propaganda.

So like I think one of the shorts was called Why We Fight. You know, you can imagine like the things they would play before movies play at a theater for the audience.

To keep people spirits up. So clearly he had, you know, a strong opinion about what was happening.

And then another interesting thing I found was during that montage thing where all the newspaper printing is happening.

It's all children working on it. And I just couldn't help but think like all these kids working.

What were child labor? Laws like at the time. And apparently it was only one year before this movie came out that the major legislation that the Fair Labor Standards Act was passed.

That finally made it illegal. In all in most cases except agriculture for children to be put to work instead of going to school.

So I thought it was, and, so I don't know, maybe they filmed this, you know, before, because I don't know if they, unless Jimmy Stewart's character sort of got around that by not charging for this paper.

He was making or something. So it was like, it's, you know, it's a child activity as part of this club, but.

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I was also, I think the kids wanted to do it like this was something they want to do to help him out like

Maybe.

Yeah.

But just the images of some of the kids like passing out on their typesetting, you know, they've been for 12 h.

Okay. And. Them driving that car and the truck like crashed into them. I was kind of shocked by that.

Let's make a kill. Yeah.

Oh my gosh.

I mean, his mom had to call and say, tell them to stop. Kids are being hurt.

I was.

I was I was honestly so angry doing that that got really tense. I can't believe they're running kids off the road and this.

Yeah.

I know my gosh!

Oh my gosh. And that will I should. I guess I can believe it because those things are happening today.

You're like.

But it was surprising to see it in a movie for 1939 like that they would get so intense with it so that was very very interesting.

Yeah.

And maybe I'll just end my spiel right now with saying that my favorite character is Clarissa.

I was so surprised that had never heard of this actress. I don't apparently have never seen anything else she's been in I don't know how I missed her she's was in tons and tons of stuff.

But she was the joy of the whole movie for me. I couldn't wait for her to come back on screen.

I just love the way she talks. She had like the best lines. She was so sharp. Love her to death.

She's too good for him, but whatever. Yeah.

I like

And I was so sorry, I know it's not my turn, but. When the guy that she was going to supposedly marry.

Yeah.

You're first name, Clarissa. He's like, all right, whatever. But then Just like, no!

Aren't you gonna say it's a nice name?

You have to marry the man that says how beautiful your name like that was just so sweet.

Good.

And because she was so smart, I couldn't help but think the whole movie, Clarissa explains it all again.

Well, I like when

Okay.

Hello.

I know it was so, oh yes, I agree. Her character was awesome. She knew those rules like.

Oh yeah.

She, I mean, she did, right?

Yeah.

Oh.

Back and forth. She could tell him which one to look up, what to do.

And I think she had my favorite moment when she's, you know, in the middle of the tense filibuster when she's on the phone with his mother and the mother says, okay, tell me what's going on Clarissa.

Yeah. Yeah.

And she says, she called me Clarissa. Okay, Ma. I was like, oh, and my heart just grew 3 sizes.

Okay. Okay.

Hello. Yeah.

Yeah. It was funny though, cause earlier on when they first introduced, I was like, Oh, they're not gonna make her the love interest?

Okay.

I was worried too.

That's odd. They're gonna make the daughter of that other the other senator the love.

Susan.

Yeah I was like no no. Sanders is much better for him and then later on it's like in that little note you know he thinks I love you.

And then later on, it's like, this is much better for him. And then later on, it's like, in that little note, you know, he thinks I love Oh!

I know that was so sweet. I love that too. Hmm, that's great.

Yeah.

Yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you, Eric.

Yeah, although I will I will say on that just so sorry because you said PS, I love you and I do that it's just you know in these movies especially from this time people fall in love so quickly They've barely known each other.

Yeah.

Yes.

I thought it was fast too. I love it.

But they had been through a lot together like that they stayed up all night writing that bill first time.

It's like. You know.

She saw the compassion and passion and integrity this guy had and being stuck in DC for that long. She probably has not seen that.

Okay.

Yeah.

It was refreshing.

Yeah. We should talk about that too. I mean, let everyone.

She was a city dweller. She only grew up in Baltimore. She said that, she said, I'm just a city dweller.

Yeah.

Awesome. Well, thank you, Eric. Moving down the line, Ruth, you are next.

Okay, cool. So, I enjoy watching some old movies every now and then and so it was fun to do that.

I like Jimmy Stewart too and Actually had a lot of fun with it too because actually, it's a wonderful life is what my favorite movies too and them having.

Several characters in there. Which was neat. Thomas Mitchell, he played.

Uncle Billy and then Ma Smith was in it playing. I'm Jimmy Cirr's mom and

They didn't know this people, but did you see Claude Rings? As Senator Pain.

Oh.

He's played the invisible man. He's a universal monster.

Let me see. Hmm.

Hmm

I think there is one other man. I just can't think of what his name was, which was older.

Hello.

But anyways, yeah, I thought it was good. I liked

So, took a a little while for me to kind of get into but I do love

How He is naive, but I do like Jimmy Server's character how he really wants to do something for the good and shake things up again and since the.

The senator was friends with his dad. I know it was a big blow to him to hear about.

How? Corrupt that he was now to and kind of things like that.

And then, yeah, I do like. I like Clarissa a lot too. I loved how like smart she was and then I liked how she ended up because of how great he was like she wasn't gonna go down that path.

How she was supposed to get. Yeah, the senator's daughter, I guess, to help her out too.

To kind of take them away and put his mind on something else. And She was kind of infatuated with her, kept on dropping his hat all the time.

Can you imagine your dad using you like that? Like you're gonna go shopping with him like this is your job.

I didn't.

To lur him away.

I know what political man uses their daughter to for political gain and corruption. Gosh, I can imagine if that happened to Dick.

Terrible.

Okay.

Oh.

Huh.

I guess we haven't changed in the past 100 years, huh?

Yeah.

Not at all.

Yeah

I'm sure he would say if he wasn't my daughter.

Yeah, Shelley, you're exactly right. I was watching and I'm like, it's just creepy and it's so, it's just wrong.

Yes.

Yes.

Ruth that that hat scene was the as far as like direction goes Most of it seems pretty normal to me, but there were a couple things that I was like, why did he, why did Frank, you know, Capra choose to do this?

And one was that weird hat scene where you don't even see their faces happening. It's just him dropping his hat.

Hey.

I thought it was weird too and then they're like we all need to buy him a new hat Yeah.

And he can hold on to. He was just so nervous. He couldn't even hold onto his head.

Seem like somebody for flipping camera.

Brandon to the table and the light too.

Yeah.

I know. How embarrassing.

That's probably something I would do. I'm just kidding. I don't know.

And he carries the bird away. He's like, oh.

Oh yeah, what about those pigeons? I guess he said him for

Okay.

I know that we didn't talk with so many more of those.

He did mention he set them free. He said they're probably about over, Kentucky about now.

Oh yeah, with with the leather.

Okay.

It was just such, yeah, it was weird because like, yeah, you brought it up and then never talked about them again.

Yeah.

Then you don't find you don't know which one made it or they all make it and you know

Was that supposed to show that he was just a country bumpkin. Is pigeons. Yeah.

So.

Yeah, I think it was supposed to continue.

I think, I think he invented Twitter. He's he's sending short messages. LIBER.

Okay.

Oh, yes.

It's early Twitter, 1930. Okay.

Yes.

Yeah.

So Ruth, anything else on your end?

That's pretty much it, but yeah, I do agree as far as it was a little way too much.

Like I know that they didn't want those kids to print the papers too, but that was That was really, that bothered me a lot, especially when that guy hit that little boy too.

Thank you. Run them off the road.

And try to try to run them off on her in a car or something.

Oh yeah.

That whole part of the movie, I was just so angry while watching the whole newspaper media shut down the corruption there, but also leading into them defaming Smith.

And you know they're in the hearing and everybody's just flat out lying and like you know yeah you saw this and I was just like oh.

Oh, we had the thing that. We have not changed. Our media has not changed.

Yeah.

Nothing has changed in that sense. Like politicians are still owned by businesses.

No.

Yeah, I was thinking that the entire time I thought all these. Sorry, I'll wait for my time.

But.

Okay.

Shelley, it's your turn.

Hey, look.

Yeah, you, okay. I'll just start with that. So I was thinking all these politicians.

Hopefully they go in to. The Senate or the House and their Just like. Jefferson Smith, but every one of them ends up even now just corrupt.

And it's just they stay in office way too long and they're just I mean it's just so crazy I wasn't expecting nothing to have changed in so long.

But if you can't tell, I absolutely love this movie. I found it so entertaining it combines 2 of my favorite things, Jimmy Stewart and The Senate.

I love watching Senate hearings. So this was just my favorite kind of movie. But, It was just, I just, I just loved it.

I think just like you, Eric, I loved Clarissa. She was, the best.

Character. Oh, and I looked up while we were talking. This is crazy to me. Jimmy Stewart was in the Army from 1941 to 1947 and then in the Air Force from 1,947 to 1,968.

Oh wow.

So I just don't think we see those things anymore like he was in the service for a very long time.

Wow. Yeah.

So I think that's pretty cool. And now. My mind is humbling from all the things that I wanted to say, but I got super excited about, what we're just talking about.

Yeah. How is that one thing just to add with him is like I think he always sounds like even when he was young like and it's a wonderful life and this maybe I'm like you always sounded like a young old man to me.

But yes, love this movie.

But I like him.

I love watching the older movies like I think you were saying this how how everyone talks to each other how the women dress just Oh, and then I was thinking because they were talking about the Senate.

And they said all of these. What 97 or however many men. So which states weren't part of the union yet?

Well, Alaska and Hawaii didn't join until 1959.

So we're, was, so was it.

That's wrong.

Oh, I don't know like between 39 and 59 if there were other states. I mean, I think it was.

Most of them. But.

But also men, like there were no women. In the Senate and clearly. If you look at Clarissa, there should have been.

I know I I thought that while they were she was having a conversation with him I think it's when she talks him off the ledge at the end.

Okay.

Yeah.

She had everything down.

To convince me to the filibuster. I was thinking to myself, if I were him, I would say to her You should probably be the senator and I should be taking those for you.

Yeah. Exactly, because she knew everything. I mean, he had, she knew everything. Then I thought it was interesting.

Okay.

Do you know?

Yeah.

But.

That one of the first things that he said to her was, So have you always had to work? Like, like,

Oh

Assume that she wanted to do anything else like he didn't talk about talk to her like that.

Maybe.

I like that he didn't talk to her that way. Like why are you here don't you wanna just get married and sit down or something like he felt it seemed like he believed she was doing exactly what she should be doing which is But I, but I also noticed that, Like even the language that they used when they talked about the Senate.

Yeah

Yeah, I like

Had no room for women. They like wasn't even an idea people had in their brains. They would they would talk about like the men who come to this chambers like it wasn't even possible I was like wow

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Shelley, though going back to what you were saying about like how she knew so much, she should have been the senator.

That's still certainly politics again today. A lot of times it's really their team.

The AIDS, yeah, then.

That goes in and out and knows everything. They're kind of just the face of it, right?

But they were talking about and it still happens today. You vote how we tell you to vote. Like everybody, I was thinking about that.

Like I used to like The parties just vote. It's like. What are we doing? You vote how you're supposed to vote, not voting with.

How you're supposed to vote.

Okay. And often times not only do you vote with the way you're supposed to vote with long lines and stuff, but you're also voting with.

The the money, the big business, you know, like, you know, Eric, we watched VEP, right?

Like if you watch that, and I know it's fictionalized and everything, but a lot of times you go with where the power players are and the money is and you both according to that.

A lot of times you go with where the power players are and the money isn't you both according to that.

And like I was saying your team, they're the ones who really know the ins and outs of everything and you just are kind of fed the script to say.

So for I think you all should watch the show beep. It's a really good show shows you kind of the shenanigans that goes on behind the scenes in the White House on the vice president's side.

Again, fictionalized, but I'm sure a lot of it's based on. How things happen.

And I know this obviously is a movie too and fictionalized but like you're saying, but I thought it was so.

Interesting because the rules are so like cut and dry like they don't fear off of these roles.

So when the guy when he's like completely exhausted And the one senator says to him, well, Senator, would you like to take a recess until tomorrow?

And she's like, no, if you do, you can't continue on. Yeah.

Yeah.

Or or 5 3 she's like look at rule 5 the third clause or whatever So.

I couldn't feel the president of the Senate. Liked him or didn't like him. He was

Hi.

I think he liked him. I think he liked Smith and I think he liked what Smith was doing because they'd always go back and show him smiling.

Thanks.

Yeah, but I didn't know if it was like I'm smiling because I think you're a complete fool, I think you're a complete fool or I'm smiling because I'm really entertained by what you're doing to these other men.

He'd have a smart and

I think he was entertained, but I also think he believed in him. I would say, I wanna say he was the only other good guy on the floor.

I hope so.

That's what I'm sticking with. I liked him.

Do you think that currently there's any good like? Are there any Jefferson Smiths out there?

I don't follow the Senate as much so I can't tell you. I want to say that

I don't think so. Okay.

I don't I don't I feel like there's nobody that innocent. Untarnished.

Well, it just seems like there's no No, and there's no space today for that.

Well, Nobody alive is that innocent. I do think there are, I do think there are good people there who are always trying to do the right thing.

It seems like it's

I know, I know, it's

Yeah.

I mean, I love AOC. She will not let anyone get away with anything. As soon as they say some nonsense, she jumps on it and she, you know, she brings the receipts.

And yeah she i think she She has integrity. And there's several other people like that. I mean, but nobody's innocent like that.

Nobody's naive like that. The naive ones are the ones who are getting corrupted because they don't know how to say no to money.

Nobody's, nobody's fresh.

Well, it's just like, it's just, I was thinking more of like, from the Senate side, there's a hundred.

Yeah.

Senators.

Those are representatives, yeah. The ones I'm thinking of right representatives.

Well, yeah. They kind of have more of a chance to be. Because they their terms are only 2 years so they're constantly having to like They're just always like trying to be reelected.

Yeah.

Yeah, cause they're more

They're always campaigning. But I was thinking the Senate, like even now when it's like when we had the Senate like even now when it's like when we had the 50, like even now when it's like when we had the 50, 50, so there was 50 Republicans, 50 Democrats.

And they would all just vote. It just seems like the voting doesn't matter. Like you just vote party line and then since the Democrats held the majority, then the vice president stepped in and cast a tie-breaking vote.

And it's like, well, does this even matter? So it's been happening.

I liked when he was Great.

Yeah.

Nobody is willing to step out of there. Party to vote with consciously how they really feel.

Some people are, but they even that doesn't often get. So sometimes that doesn't even get.

They get in trouble.

Right, because then kind of like in this, like they won't fundraise for you. They won't throw you the money that the party has to get you reelected.

So it's

It doesn't work. Yeah, they don't support.

They're like, you're not going to vote like us. Bye. It's very People.

Sometimes I think they have to wait to try to do some votes when they know certain certain people won't be in Congress because because you just it's whoever is actually there to vote.

Votes and so it might not be you might not be trying to reach like 435 votes in the house for instance you might only there might only be like 300 people voting or something like that and you just need a majority of that because the people who didn't show up well they don't get to vote.

Yeah, that and that and but it was that they mentioned that in this. So they don't even have the people don't even show up to vote.

Well, I Yeah, I was gonna say that one of the funniest parts for me was when he's in the little filibuster and then every he's going to start it and then everyone just leaves and he says They talk about like a unique like whatever the majority in the house is and he's like well I guess that's me and he's like the one person is the

Which is blank.

Thank you.

Yeah, yeah, though the port we need a quorum and if it says and whatever the rule is

Yeah.

Yeah, and then in for a split second I thought oh wait is this how this movie is going to resolve where he's selling, I thought, oh, wait, is this how this movie is going to resolve where he's going to resolve where he's selling one in the chamber so he votes and gets what he wants because he's the

It votes.

Did love how they left it until the last minute. To to finish the movie up. Like it was like all the way up until the last second.

Yeah. Oh, that was shocking.

He'll leave he was going to kill himself. The same thing.

You're kind of wondering. Oh my gosh, I thought that guy was and you know what I feel like today that's how the movie would.

The movie would end with like seeing him. Cause he got the gun and he was shifting people.

Oh.

Okay. Okay.

But thank God he didn't, cause You needed him to confess in front of everybody.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, but were you so mad at him? I knew from the beginning I'm like I know.

Yeah.

Okay. There were moments I felt like, oh, he's redeeming him. Oh no.

Yeah, nope.

Oh, he's, feeling uncomfortable. Oh no. Yes, he just went in on the lie.

What? What was upsetting was

Oh, which reminds me. What I was gonna say, I loved, sorry, good.

What was upsetting was the fact that not just that he was lying, but like the conviction with which in the viciousness, which with which he told the lies on the floor, I was like, You know, there's one lying is one thing like just saying, you know, oh, no, I think that this man is corrupt and we should get rid of expel him but then all the things he made up you know

like really trying to sell it is like oh my gosh now you're you dug such a deep grave it's so disappointing for this man who respected you so much to hear you like this.

Yeah.

You clearly had no morals left.

So I loved. I'd loved at the very end where he brought it back to. The lost cause thing he just felt like it was such a lost cause and then he's like nope that's what my dad said he said the lows are the only ones worth fighting for.

So that made me chair. Like, yes. So anyway, okay, I'm done. Okay.

Okay.

Takia. What did you think of the movie?

Hmm. I guess I might have more unpopular opinion about it. So. Good things about it.

I love Jane Stewart acting. Yeah. I like the.

Yeah, the old kind of old. Back then way of life like so when it's when you as I mentioned I like that.

That's not it. It this wasn't in hold my attention.

What about the movie specifically? Did you not like it?

I did this. I'm not like a big. The pollogle stuff for the filibuster and everything.

I know, Chris would talk now. Give me, I'm sorry.

Sorry, he's talking now. Of course it's my time.

Okay, well we'll edit out yours, and I'll go ahead and go.

Yeah. I feel like I'm like every time I Okay.

Okay, I've muted Takia. So I'll go ahead and, give you all my thoughts on the movie now.

I enjoyed the movie. Hi, I felt a little Eric like you did, that. It was a long movie, but you couldn't really, it didn't really feel like, oh my god, it's so long when is it gonna end?

Okay.

Okay.

I mean, there were a few moments here and there. I'm like, they could have sped that up maybe like him going sightseeing in Washington DC.

There are a lot of just like camera focus on like these words and those words. I'm like I don't wanna sit and read all of those.

Like you know what's written up on Lincoln Memorial and stuff, but I enjoyed those scenes because I'm like, wow, nothing's really changed in DC at least with the monuments and stuff.

But I enjoyed those scenes because I'm like, wow, nothing's really changed in DC, at least with the monuments and stuff, you know, they're still standing, they're still there and it's almost a hundred years ago.

It's like 90 something years ago.

That was supposed to make you inspired to be an American. It didn't work on you, I guess.

Yeah. No, but I mean, I enjoyed it over that part of it overall. But I think we've already touched on a lot of stuff that.

Really, I don't wanna work those words.

Yeah.

Unfortunately, Not a lot has changed since then when it comes to the political landscape. You know, it's just different people all doing the same things, regardless of What state, where they're from, their political side, whatever.

A lot of it's this still kind of the same you vote along lines you vote with whoever is funding you.

The, the whole thing about media perception, right? They can really control. What we see and what we might believe.

I found it very interesting how fast those papers got printed because he wasn't filler bus filibustering for like days, you know, it was just like 20 something hours and I'm like they were able to tell them the stories, get it all written up, print all of those papers, get them delivered all across the state.

I was like, okay, I don't know about that, but. I just, I was getting angry while watching parts of it because of How unfair it was and what was happening and how Unfortunately, that does happen today still and how Some people out there don't believe that's happening, which I find ridiculous that they're people that naive to think that this stuff doesn't happen today.

That, you know, I could write any headline, make it say whatever I want and there are people out there that will just look at it and believe it without asking questions.

And that's what was happening then, you know, it's like, Hey, let's control and say exactly what we want them to believe.

So anyways, I just find it very unfortunate that happens today still. But yeah, I pretty much agreed with what you all said.

In terms of the movie. I enjoyed it. I thought the acting was great. Gene Arthur, the actress who played, Saunders, well, what was her first?

Where is that? You explain Okay.

I was like, who explained it all? I thought she was the best part of the movie.

And yeah, I mean, like you all know, I'm not really a big fan of old movies, but I thought this one.

Was good, we had a good message. It I think taps into a lot of our own naivete about politics and ideals and like you know thinking that the people who are out there fighting our fight.

Are doing it in our best interests at all times, you know, it just sheds a lot of light on that and I thought it was a daring movie for them to make back then because I don't know how much trouble you could get because that could have been considered propaganda against the government.

You know, nowadays people can get away with a lot more. For the most part, I mean, cancel cultures raring up really fast these days, but I was like, that's pretty daring topic to cover back then.

So I'm very curious like how actual senators and people in DC felt about this movie coming out and becoming, you know, a hit.

So it would be interesting to read up more on that. But yeah, so overall I watched it.

There were times that it made me angry while watching it. Is like I said especially when they were showing the hearings and those people were just lying like the guy who owned the land where the dam was going to be built.

Saying, yeah, I sold it to him and he, you know, he said he could get me some money from it.

Okay.

And I was like, you were just blatantly making this up. And I, it was just, it was angering me so much.

And then the stupid experts, handwriting experts. Without doubt, this is not a forgery. This is his handwriting.

Oh.

It was, one of them, yeah, right?

They show one person. Yeah, they showed one person who said it wasn't, but they showed everybody else saying it was and then.

Just watching all these, it just, it made me so angry. Shelley.

Yeah, and it still happens today. It's what drives me crazy. There's all these experts and they come in and say best yet, yes.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, especially the guy who was lying about selling the land to him who lives in his area apparently. I wondered how much money did they give him to get him to be so convincing about this and not like feel bad about it?

Yeah.

Yeah, I probably a good amount. You know, there was this one scene in the movie where I think he was actually at a podium talking to a bunch of people, you know, rally like getting them all riled up about Jeff Smith and there was like a kid in the audience who said like we believe in Jeff Smith and they kind of hold him out but that rally of all those people there listening to lies and believing it.

Yeah.

Remind me of the scene and don't look up. Have any of you seen don't look up?

Ruth, you saw it with me. That movie with Jennifer Lawrence about the about the asteroid that's coming to hit the Earth.

Remember and a lot of people weren't believing it. So it's like, yeah, there's these people at this rally and they just told everybody don't look up like the don't look up there's nothing there don't buy into the high you know if only they looked up they would see the asteroid but they're not going to because their party is telling them don't look up

Oh yeah.

it's not there it's fake news it's all a lie but then during this big rally they're like don't look up don't look up somebody looks up is like oh my god So just seeing this rally in this movie kind of reminded me I was like if only they looked up in that scene, but Anyways, yeah, so I enjoyed it.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I thought it was good. I mean, I can see why it got such a great ratings and everything.

I mean, the acting was great. The stories important to get out. But Yeah, so that's my positive review.

Let's go ahead and hear the other side. To Kia, would you like to give us your thoughts on this movie?

No, some movies are just not gonna, you know, everyone has their taste and flavor comes to movies.

It just, I actually, what you were saying, Bob, I can put in a word for how I felt about it.

It was very just politically basic for me, you know. He wants to get, he's picked for this role.

He's, wants to get the bill through because he wants to put a know about the children's camp.

Out there nice things he wanted to do and so he to do that he had the fight on the setup for for it.

It was a very basic political thing. It didn't give Oh, oh, let me fish this thought.

Well, I, I think.

Okay.

I think this for me, I just like certain movies. I actually, this is probably another one the ones that really kept my attention, but my mind, would drift just because of this such a But, my point is I like what There are like black white movies, Citizen Kane and I think the one weird window those were like Oh, man, I was a captivated entire time because I think there

was one mystery suspense. This one was just a little more. Because basic politics. Like it was just kinda like the basic is happening.

So we can achieve this and that. For me, it was just. Very just, you know, underwhelming for me.

That trouble pulling my attention. What did all my attention do? I love Jane Stewart. I love him.

He's great. I love his acting. That's a good positive right there. Everyone else was in the movie as well.

Like I said, I love. I like gonna be. The I guess life back then, you know, everyone was a lot more.

You know, nicer, polite compared to now. Yes, I look at that way as well, depending where we are now with, you know, you know, to be a little more entitled and selfish and because Okay, just in general, no, not in this particular, but this like, this is a different way of life back then.

Good.

I don't think anybody was nice and polite in this movie except.

Okay.

Hey, that's more I'm getting and that's so much the careers themselves, just like outside of you know, not so much like they did when I know they were cooking.

I know. But, yes, that's my positive spin on it.

Well, just out of curiosity, I know you mentioned, Jimmy Stewart's acting.

What did you think of Saunders?

I liked her too. Yeah, so, she. She just, I guess I focus more on him because I, she was good too.

Yeah. So. Good question.

What does she like about her the most?

I don't I don't know to say. I liked her. I don't understand.

Saying that she did just good acting. I don't know. That this thing, when a movie is unwell me, I had told my thoughts about it, like, yeah.

So I like the guide and almost that was, that try to screw him over. And in the end he Can't clean. Wasn't that Kane?

Was it was again?

Okay. Okay

Okay. Pain.

Yeah? Hey, as I came, I like him. So like, yeah, I So the answer, I just, I like directing.

Hello.

To say when they're I mean of all of J's D, James Stewart stood out.

Jimmy Stewart said the best to me, but yeah. Sorry to answer your question, War.

Because this is not unwelcome it was for me. It was a good movie. Like I said, I don't think it deserves like a one or something like that.

No, I mean it was I see like one award and stuff like that, but that's just all I'm, I'm just a little quiet on this one because this is kinda all did for me.

I'm glad you guys enjoyed. I've been enjoying listening to you guys' commentary about it.

I, I got everyone. Seem to be excited more about than I was. Okay. So.

Because it was only 2 years from Citizen Kane, which we've also seen. And because everyone, has always, you know, talked about Sister and Kane as the greatest film ever made, basically.

Yeah.

I was kind of comparing it because it was like, you know, we're in the same era.

So now we can really do apples to apples like directing. So acting stuff. And I do see how even though this is good, system cane is on a like, such an enormous scale.

Yeah.

Yes, I like I like that way better. Yeah

Yeah.

Let's find a number of.

I think that's interesting. And I guess I'm.

And a little and citizen can is a little closer to techniques that are still used today so it looks a little more familiar as far as filmmaking does to us than maybe something like this where they're filming it in a way that we're not used to in some scenes.

Okay.

But I do think because it sent on that larger scale, sorry, Shelley, just because it wasn't on that larger scale to Takia's whole thing, you know, about like it was simple politics.

Hi. Good.

I think that was the point was to not focus on the laws being discussed, but focus on the corruption and the fraud that goes on because if they had such a complicated story about the politics itself, it would lose out on the message I think it was trying to.

Focus on and it would confuse the audience because it's not all this politics, these laws and these you know very intricate things where it's like, let's keep it simple about a dam.

People can understand that, but let's focus on the corruption. So I just think that maybe that's why they kept it a smaller Quote, like story and the

Yeah.

But you know, I've seen, corruption. Well, movies and series and they've captured me completely like whoa.

I think to me this was like a more realistic corruption. Instead of like.

But

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe maybe I do like the more the action packed corruption, like a scandal and like house of cards.

That was corruption times 10 that I really was blowing my mind. And this I said is the most basic form of corruption.

Or what? I can't remember. Yeah.

Just, it was just interesting to watch. That was it. Yeah, it was just kind of like, okay, this is, you know.

I can't remember here, but what did you think about Chinatown? Because that was actually also a technically a story about political corruption although it was more like a mystery where he's trying to figure out what the corruption is and remember we even talked about at the time how it was kind of weird corruption because it was about the water department was like that's not sexy but was like a big conspiracy so

Okay. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think that that that wasn't sexy for me either. Yeah, I didn't hate it.

Okay.

This didn't, I was into it. Yeah, you're right. But that's it. That the desk was cool though.

Yeah, take his rating echoes that. She gave it a 2.7 5.

Okay, okay, yes. Okay, make sense.

It's, there's gonna be movies where like, you know, I remember those the movies I was running my mouth. Everybody, you know, so people were like, oh, this was okay.

Oh, I like this. Oh, I didn't like this. You know, that's what school bad.

You know, so like I said, I like hearing.

I don't think people are questioning why you didn't like it. We were just trying to understand the specifics as to what didn't like it.

Oh no!

Yeah. Yeah.

We were just trying to understand the specifics as to what didn't speak to you what did.

Yeah, I know. It's, it's, I'm, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm at fast, so I'm thinking about something.

So, you know, I had my thoughts are just so bland about this, cause I guess I'd enjoy it.

But the basic basic way I'm trying to, but the basic basic way I'm trying to describe it is this is very just kind of flat line just kind of this is very just kind of flat line just kinda this is happening Corruptions happening.

Hope it gets resolved. It's just kinda like, it, you know, this one. You know, one flat line.

Yeah.

I guess. I guess.

You, you need Jimmy Stewart saying, every time a bill gets passed, an angel gets a twins.

Happening.

Okay.

Okay.

So. But yeah, I mean, like I said, but my pause, there's, I wouldn't think it would get a one or 2.

I you know like I said it was it's a good movie those who like Like you guys, they really enjoyed us.

If you love the type of movie like this that shows, you know, it's going on in the, you know, the political Vina back then and all.

So. Way for me? Yeah. This wasn't, yeah.

It exactly was good.

What are your thoughts on on how it translates to what's what happens today? Do you see parallels between what was shown then and stuff like that happening today or do you not think it really happens anymore?

Hey, does, yeah. It does. Yes, I'll say that, yes.

Good. I'm thinking my feet would start with something. I'm sorry. I, yeah.

Okay.

You don't want, you don't want to collaborate.

Yes. Sorry.

Yeah. Right.

And you're good? Okay. Cool. Well, I, thank you everybody for sharing your thoughts on the movie.

I think at this point, does anybody have anything else they'd like to add or any story points they wanted to talk a bit more about.

I had a couple of notes. Just jokes, I guess. So not jokes, but I thought it was really funny.

Yeah.

I mean, they really go hard in the script on making him the most like wholesome person ever.

Okay.

He's He's literally a boy scout. They call it Boy Ranger, you know, but but he's literally a Boy Scout like the last Boy Scout in the country so but I thought it was really funny when they also said they had this line where they said he collects stray boys And I thought this is unfortunate phrasing for 2023.

Yeah. Okay. There was a lot of that like they kept him keeping on talking about the boys, the boys, everybody talking about the boys with him.

But.

Yeah, he's too devoted to the

I was like, Oh, this is not sounding so great.

We're also cynical now because if there was a person like that today, we would all say this sounds like there's something untoward going on you know we not we would not be a shock to us if it was discovered he was molesting boys or something.

Yeah.

That really worried me about that too, like little, going around like. You know, I wanna be able to.

Okay.

Feel like, you know, worried for them, you know, so.

I love the kids though, by the way all the kids in this movie were so great especially the all hoppers children on the dinner table and the page boys.

Hmm.

Yeah.

And the newsboys, like they were such great actors, so much energies and they were all so smart and they're so civic minded, which is a little bit surprising to me.

Oh, okay, I wanna that. I like the kids. They did. I love the kids that I'm doing table.

I did like that. Hello, I love their banter back and forth with their dad who I thought was kinda old.

The ones in the beginning. Yeah.

Let's hope forceful.

Seems kind of old to have all children. Yeah, like grandpa.

I was wondering that too. I was like. Both he and his wife look a bit older. What's funny is he's probably like 35 years old.

Yeah. I don't know that was good. We had James Stewart looks like he could have all his children.

Maybe he collects 3 boys too.

Yeah.

I mean, like, I think that's good casting, be honest, like, with, that old fart.

So I don't know.

Yeah. No problem.

Maybe he was just, all those children aged him.

Yeah.

Yeah. Eric, on the acting, I actually did. I mean, I agree with you on that, but the one part I really thought was good and they did a good job was.

In the beginning part when they were swearing or not swearing him in, but it was like the little kid walked up and He had to do his speech or something and he was like messing up what he was reading and his brothers were kind of whispering to him what to say and then he's like, oh shoot, and then he just thought that he and I was like, they did a good job acting that

Yeah, that was cool.

Also, he was doing a good job those big words and I felt like he said when he turned around it's like don't be upset you did wonderful You made it proud.

out.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

So. How many people would? Have taken the deal to remain in the Senate and just Go along to get along.

That's the problem is that that's why one of the things they consistently talk about these days is there need to be term limits.

Because since there aren't term limits, that means people can stay there for decades and decades and they just they get They get really good at the campaigning and taking, you know, you know, millions.

Or name taking advantage of name recognition.

Yeah, and all that jazz and they get entrenched and they don't have to do anything they don't want to because they're not going anywhere.

And imagine if they were only allowed to be there for 2 to 6 years and then that's it.

They have to find something else to do with their careers because that's all the time they can spend.

They might be a little more honest about stuff. They might try harder to actually contribute and get. Okay.

Yeah.

But why would you care about getting things done? 30 years.

Because look at how many people in the Senate who are above 80 years old. Like and or even 90 like or who was it Strum Thurman how was he he was like almost a hundred he died.

Yeah.

When he was in there.

And and Diane Feinstein just passed away and she was well into her ninetys. It's crazy that we allow people to just stay in.

Yeah.

Oh.

And I think that you're right, the longer you stay in, the more corrupt you get.

Because you get used to getting paid like who wouldn't want to get this extra money or like, you know.

Extra things that you're not supposed to technically get but get invited on these trips and

And if you're not Yeah. And even if you don't get so corrupt, you've still become complacent.

Oh yeah.

I think the only reason it flies in the Supreme Court is because it's a lie time appointment so they don't have to be elected which is supposed to mean that that means they won't be tempted by corruption but you know as we've seen recently that is not necessarily the case even.

Even in that situation. So, you know.

I don't know what the answer is, yeah.

But, well. I don't know what the answer is for them except more transparency, but.

I, I think that, like I get what you're saying to, that it's not the most like.

Turn limits could be a good idea for Congress.

Sexy story, but I think it's the most realistic, like because in real, you know.

In real life. The you're not voting I mean you're It's not. You know.

I do with that. Yeah.

Do you understand? It's basic. It's basic what they're they're being corrupt over like they're corrupt over basic things.

Okay.

Should we use plastic spoons or.

Yeah. Yeah, the that's why.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think that's I think that's why I liked it because I don't think I would have liked it if it had not.

They were

Seemed realistic because then it just would have sort of

They were probably also trying.

Wavered on like a fantasy.

Yeah.

They were probably, they were probably also trying to make a point about how What Senator Smith was trying to do was really like the easiest thing.

Yeah.

Like who could ever say that this was a problem or shouldn't happen? It should just be, you know, get that bill through, no problem.

But even that, what he wanted to do, this very, very simple thing. Got in somebody's way because they wouldn't get their graft on.

They wouldn't, you know, get their kickbacks of their money or whatever it was. And he was just, it wasn't even like he was, he wasn't trying to do something complicated or politically controversial.

And it's and it still couldn't get done because people have their own agendas. So that might be another point too.

And then, and then in a more boring point, I always find it. Interesting to hear the arguments about the filibuster because Whenever which party is in power they want

They always try to vote it out, but the other party doesn't want to. And then when it flips, The majority flips then they're trying to argue to get rid of it.

So I always find that so fascinating. To be like he's just sitting up there for so many hours and then finally he's just like let's read the Constitution and he just keeps going until he passes out.

Yeah.

And I'll admit, I'm not quite sure what was his goal, was it to, was he trying to wait long enough that the truth would get out there?

Something like that, he was waiting for his people to come marching in saying that it's not true.

He didn't.

That what it was? Cause I lost, you know, you know, 20 h into it. I was like, I don't remember what the goal here.

What what the purpose is. I think he was trying to wait yet for the truth to come out. He was waiting for people from his states.

Yeah.

Okay.

Like your real stuff. Gotcha.

To.

Which is why they.

Sorry, I got to start to come in to say no, he doesn't own this land that they're lying.

Which is why pain made that big show of bringing in all those, telegrams, right? Because he's like, look, here's your people speaking if that's what you were waiting for and they hate you and that was very up to them too.

That

Yes.

I was so felt so heartbroken for him. Like don't believe it. It's just, you know, these people are misinformed.

Oh, me too.

That was very

Disinformation is what's been happening.

Yeah.

So another question I had was So when Smith first meets Saunders, of course she thinks he's a bit of a rube, but she's got her own stuff going on.

But she also it seems like she sets him up with those reporters. She knows what they're gonna do.

And that kind of run me the wrong way. And I was like, why did she do that? Was she just trying to?

Like put him through a trial by fire like why's him up quickly or something but because it was kind of mean-spirited for her too.

Yeah.

She knew that they were gonna twist his words like that and make him look like an asshole.

Maybe for her own entertainment. Because wasn't she saying like and in this story like she was pointing out to the other guy she's like this guy's going to do this and this guy is going to do this just watch and see what happens.

That's Icky too.

Once he mentions Willett Creek. This guy is going to get up and run out and he does.

Oh.

I thought maybe she was kind of bored with her life. A bit.

Maybe was this like before she tried to help him and she kinda was getting stuck into what. The other senators.

What they were trying to do. That was wrong, you know?

I guess what I don't get is though, even though she wasn't, she hadn't really decided she wanted to help him.

She but also why would the opposite be that she wants to hurt him? You know, unless she thought he's just too naive, we need to tpping him up quick.

Yeah, sure.

So I'm gonna let them eat him alive, which I don't know, I still don't know if I agree with it.

Hmm.

It's like that's Cause I like you so much, Clarice, so don't be needing.

Oh.

Yeah, my last note is just that I thought it was really cute the way she said, when she finally shows up after being it was kind of I was annoyed with him that he just got on a bus and disappeared for half a day.

I was like, what, who does this? Like you didn't realize people are looking for you.

Okay.

Come on. And you left your birds with who knows, you know, kiss you don't care about animals, But she said, you can't just take French leave of people.

It was like, oh, take French leave. Cause I always knew it as an Irish goodbye, but apparently you can also call it French leave.

Thank you. Okay.

I did not know. I like that. I'm gonna use that now.

You just disappear on people without saying goodbye. You just you're supposed to do it at parties when you don't want to do it at parties when you don't want to go through the all the goodbyes at a party so you just sneak out the door and don't tell anybody.

Yeah.

I've done that before. I'm like I just don't want to make a big deal Go on. Like, where'd you go? Where'd you go?

Thank you.

Sorry.

And that's it.

Great. Anything else from anybody?

Okay, well, I guess, that covers how everybody felt about the movie. So I think it's that time again for.

B, but, but, That? Okay. Okay. Okay.

Hey.

Yes, that.

Don't let me. So recast, we close each episode with the recast game where we each play casting director and choose a different actor from any era living or dead to portray a character in the film instead.

Okay.

Of

Yeah.

First up is.

You're on mute.

Would help to, me. I move rooms because my iPad's about to die here. I chose to be as Jeff Smith.

With Tom. I've seen him. Can you hear me? Tom Hanks.

Okay.

Thank you.

What?

Yeah, yeah, he's yeah, I saw him as a political figure. He's played a lot of Thank you.

Doing his horse come back or not.

Super, super young, Tom.

Yeah, I was yeah not old time I was a young Tom Hanks thanks for clarifying that yeah, a young, when he was like, you know, he was age, he was bit and big and

Okay.

Anal house was a, a million other movies is bad, but yeah. That, Was he, and, other, comings, of the 80, Si mean, besides this, it looks like, yeah, and that's why I said last lots of stuff.

Not any.

Hmm.

Lots and lots.

Okay.

But you basically want them to be, you basically want them to be Force Gump going to the Senate, right?

So, yeah. Thank you.

Yes, I think that's what I had in my mind. That's that's seen in my mind.

I want to start a

Yeah.

Yeah, that's why I did chose him. That's my Okay.

Thank you. Thank you to Ka. So next up on our recast game is Shelley.

Yeah, okay, so. I am going to recast. I was thinking if this movie were made today, who would play Clarissa?

Hmm.

And I had to pick someone super sweet. And I believe that Natalie Portman would make a good Clarissa.

I didn't see that.

Oh.

Nice. Thank you, Shelley. Next up for a recast is Ruth.

Okay.

So I also wanted to recast Chorus. As well. So, I was just thinking, of course, to how much I love, it's a wonderful life.

And I think that, Jimmy, certain, Reed had some good chemistry in that movie. So I wanted to pick Donna Reed for that part.

Nice. Keeping in that same time, Hey, so next up for recast is Eric.

I thought she would do a good job.

Yeah. And she's Yeah.

She's ready.

Okay, so. I was vacillating between 2, but I think I'm going to go with this one.

I'm going to recast Susan Paine. That little part. To distract him from his important business in the Senate.

Yeah.

And I'm going to cast her with Bridget Fonda. Because I miss Bridget Fonda and I think she plays that sort of devilish flirtation really well.

So she would, she would be a good foil to, Saunders. And they could have even beefed up the role a little bit made her a bit more of a you know seductive fim fertile trying to distract him from his business.

I thought she was in her pajamas when she came, she was at her dad's house and she came down that she was wearing like a lingerie.

Very cool.

That's awkward. You're dead.

I know, I thought, what is she wearing? No. She was just playing her. Her cocktail dress to hang out as her dad's house.

Cool.

Her dad does. Maybe that's her work uniform. Okay.

Okay.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Thank you, Eric, for your recast. Next up for recasting is me. So I am just gonna follow along with Shelley and Ruth and Recast Clarissa, not because she was bad because she was really great in the role.

Welcome.

I think we all just like the role so much that we're always like, who should play her, you know, if they were to make remake the movie.

Thank you.

So, I think you each have taken interesting eras and like times like to remake the movie with your people.

Yeah, that's acceptable.

I'm looking at it as if they were to remake the movie today. I would choose the actress Rachel Brasnahan.

Oh!

She plays Mrs. Masal in the Marvelous Mrs. Highly recommend everybody to watch that TV show but she definitely has that kind of like snappiness and like Quick talking, ready.

Oh, neat.

Banter that Saunders that Clarissa would have with Jeff. Which is also interesting because I think she's gonna be the new lowest lane in the new DC universe set of movies.

She would be perfect. I just saw like. Yes, that's perfect.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So I think And I mean, I guess I'm also being swayed a bit because Mrs. Is not from that era.

Our reporter.

Obviously there's like what, 20 plus years. Between them. But, anyway, so yeah, so that's my recast.

Okay.

So thank you everybody. Really good recast there. So now that we're done with that, let's go ahead and rate this movie.

So you all know how this works. Everybody bring up your chat. Number in there from 0 to 5 you can do quarters which are point 2 5.5 point 7 5 And when you were all, when you all are ready, put up your thumbs.

Oh, no.

Yeah.

And then I'll tell you the next bit of how this works.

So I see everybody except Eric.

Here.

Oh gosh, thank you.

I'm just making sure I didn't miss your thumb. Okay.

I guess I'm gonna do this. Okay.

Okay, so what I'm going to do is count backwards from 3 and on the row of 0.

Click Enter. 3, 2, 1, 0.

So fast.

Yeah. Okay, so now we're gonna have Shelley read out. The scores to me.

Alrighty, Eric. 3.7 5.

Ruth, 3.7 5. Me, 5, and Takia 3.

Oh, very tight scoring there.

Yes. And.

So Mr. Smith goes to Washington. Has an average of 3.9.

I think that's fair. And I assume it's under Citizen Kane. Okay.

Yeah, I think so too.

Yeah.

Give me one moment. It's a little bit lower than tangerine. I'm just kidding.

Okay.

Yeah. Although, Eric, you just slightly liked this better than Tangerine. Takia liked Tangerine better than Mr. Smith goes to Washington.

Yeah.

That was that's. But yeah, that's a very interesting outcome there. What, Oh, no, no, sorry, Eric, what movie did you say?

Hmm.

You seem supposed to.

Hello.

I'm sure the reason why did that.

Well, I'm concerned. I. Yes.

Citizen Kane.

So Citizen Kane. Yeah. Citizen Kane was 3.9 5.

Well.

So this got point 0 5 less. Then.

Okay.

I am going to be honest and I liked this movie better and I know I'm sorry it's going to make me I know it's.

Okay.

Okay. No, Shelley, I will say this. I honestly think this is easier to watch.

Then Citizen Kane. This is definitely, yeah. So that I think plays a part in it.

Yes.

Oh yeah, yeah, it expects less.

But Shelley doesn't give very many fives. Is this her only 5 or?

Okay.

I don't know, is it?

I don't, I thought Spice World was a 5. No, Spice Road was a 4.

Yeah, but let's. Oh.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, let me see, Shelley. What do you?

Is this my only and for my first and only 5?

Yeah, let me see.

As we talked about, Shelley, usually her numbers trend a little bit lower than mine for instance.

I want to let me filter by a value. I'll have to type it in. Shelley.

Okay.

Okay, I don't know why it's not letting me do that.

I'm trying to see.

Good fellas. That's the only one other one I could think. Maybe I give a 5 to.

Good fellas, you gave. I'm not on the actual, visual. I'm just looking at the spreadsheet.

Oh.

So. Yeah, Big Lebowski, you gave a 4.

No no I don't even know when we watched Good FI felt like it was a little more recent.

Oh, there it is. Good fellas, you gave a 5

Interesting. Now how does this movie compare to the 2 other Jimmy Stewart movies we watched?

Let me go find them. So. The first one was rear window rear window got an average of 4.1 5.

So more than this?

Yeah, by a good.

A little, well, yeah. This is 3.9. Is that what you said?

Yeah, and rear window is 4 1 5.

About rope.

Very close.

And then rope.

I can find it. Rope, rope, there's rope. Robe that Eric you gave a 5 to rope 4.1 So, 3.9 4.1 4.1.

Alright.

Whatever.

Good.

Yeah, I really do like those 2 movies more than this one. So that makes sense to me.

Attracts.

Well, thank you everybody for your ratings. So I think we are done with this movie, so it is time now to hand it over to Ruth, who will be announcing her pick.

For next week. And did you already? Oh, you just made up a name of a movie. I was like, did you and Ruth already collude or something.

Oh.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

For those of you listening, Eric typed in wheelchair suicide because both of those movies dealt with people who were kind of suicidal, but they were bound to wheelchairs and due to that.

That's hilarious.

Yeah. They're hard times.

Okay.

Got it be a movie.

So, Yeah, Ruth, what wheelchair suicide movie do you have for us?

Okay, so my first 2 ones, of course, had to deal with being bound to wheelchair, with

Yeah.

Being quadriplegic. I guess that's the correct term. So Just kind of going through what the struggles of the that the characters went through.

So I wanted to, of course, stay within those lines. So I picked a movie about a woman who Started off in a small town and wants to become a boxer.

With Clint Eastwood, Hillary slank and 1 million dollar baby. She, what brings it to that point and this is even just in the synopsis is that she's in a fight and she's winning and her opponent.

Hits her where you're not supposed to or some point and she falls like she falls down and she ends up having a spinal, in, in, all that, and as a quadrant.

Oh, I did not know that was part of the movie.

I didn't know that was part of the movie either. I've never seen it.

So,

I think I've only seen a little bit of it, but

I.

I saw it.

Okay.

And then. Yeah, so just like to see kind of how in her aspect how she deals with all that too.

So are we gonna have like Someone who's going to end up being more a beat about it or you know what I mean?

Stuff like that to me. And. She's they won awards and stuff for it too.

So I'm just excited to see it.

You find a good poster for it.

I like Hillary sling.

Yeah. And they're

Just had like, 48, It's 2 bit twins at 48.

She just had babies. Wow.

Right.

And since it's a boxing movie with women there's probably some lesbians in it.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. I, to be honest, I haven't looked yet.

Yeah. That's why you picked this one.

Okay.

Yeah.

Is it streaming anywhere right now or do we just? Look it up.

I hope it is. I can.

It is.

Okay. Good.

Just watch.com.

It is not streaming anywhere. You, it's available to rent. So it seems like the theme for the first season is also like your movie.

Oh, sorry.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Well, sorry about that.

And then no problem. Alright. So do I pick for next week? And.

It's all good. It's all good.

You do.

The last one, the fiftieth.

So it is fiftieth. Okay, yeah.

Yeah.

Wow. You turned 50. Okay.

So Eric, what did you, were you were saying for Shelley's because her first 2 movies were so hard, right?

That and to do that on top of the fiftieth.

Yeah, it's like we might we might have to give you a little bit of a break. Oh really?

No, I've, I've got it. I, I can wrap them both together. It's cool.

Oh, your 2 movies end up. Oh, okay. Yeah.

I've already figured it out. Yep.

Perfect then, as I was worried about that because I was like, oh, that's we've given her so many constraints.

Yeah.

What were your first, what were your first movies?

She can find a movie like.

No, I got one. So it was for your consideration and, Captain, fantastic.

Okay, yeah. Yes, Eric and I were trying to come up with. Okay. Because Eric and I were talking to one another trying to figure out how do you even relate those 2, not even including the fiftieth anniversary portion.

In, well, I'll tell you next time how those 2 relate and then help they relate to.

Okay.

Yeah

But really, so yeah, I'm excited.

You too. No, poor thing, he's still sick.

There's link sounds better?

Okay. You don't.

Oh. No.

Oh, he feels better. Well, Ruth, thank you for your movie selection. We will all come back having watched it all the way through and ready to talk about it next week.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Perfect.

So with that. I declare this episode of Old Fogies and Films concluded. Thanks for joining us.

You can find us on Facebook and find our list on Letterbox. Don't forget to leave a comment or review.

Everybody say adjourn.

And June.

And

And.

Adjourned. We do. Maybe we need to go 1, 2, 3.

We need to work on our bed a little more. Yeah, I think we should when somebody says everybody say let them say the word and then wait like 2 s and then everybody say adjourned together.

Hey, Jared!

Yeah. Yeah, let's try it. Let's try it. So wait, are you gonna go everybody say?

You try again.

We do it again.

Sure.

I'll say everybody say adjourned and then I'll go 1 2. And then you So on the after I say 2.

Okay, got it.

Okay.

Why don't you?

So I declare this episode of Old Fogies and Films Concluded. Thanks for joining us.

You can find us on Facebook and find our list on Letterbox. Don't forget to leave a comment or review.

Everybody say adjourned.

Yeah.

Thank you. Better. Okay.

Good!

Adjourn!

Okay.

Overall, overall, overall, that was better.

Sorry. I've jumped into it.

You were excited. You really wanted to lead us with the adjourn.

Sorry, you're excited. Yeah.