They all seem to be merging into one, but we're pretty sure this is our fourth lockdown episode.

And this week we all crack open the same beer despite the miles between us - a real classic too: Timothy Taylor's Landlord.

Sean possibly enjoyed it in 1952 when it was first brewed while James is drinking it for the first time (which is a bit criminal, really).

We're joined by fellow podcaster Nick Law (check out http://hopforward.beer/) to hear how he's getting on during lockdown.

Stay safe, and safe home.