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Finding A Humanitarian Balance Between Socialism and Capitalism - The Demartini Show
Episode 34926th June 2026 • The Demartini Show • Dr John Demartini
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As capitalism vs socialism debates become increasingly polarized, Dr John Demartini reveals why opposing extremes naturally emerge to restore equilibrium.

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As you go onto the media today,

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you sometimes hear no, let me start over.

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It's not hard to see in

media and social media,

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the polarities of the far left

and the far right winged political

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perspectives.

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And some say there is no way of just

defining it in terms of those two

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polls. But those are at least two

polls that are commonly seen out there.

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You might say that one

is way over on the right,

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which is a little bit

more on the capitalistic,

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more of the people that are the haves

and the people that usually are the work,

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the people that have the jobs or the

companies that other people work for.

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And the other is the people that

usually work in the companies.

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And they're the ones that are a little

bit more on the socialistic side.

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Ones that basically want to

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use economics in their favor 'cause

they have a value on economics and the

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others have a more of a value on

family and social and physical things,

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et cetera. So they're two

different value polarities.

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And there's a whole spectrum in between.

That's why these are just extremes,

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because really, we all have, each of

us have, somewhere on the spectrum,

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a combination of the two.

And let me explain why.

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Whenever you meet somebody you put

on a pedestal and you admire them,

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and you're too humble to admit

what you see in them inside you,

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and you minimize yourself.

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And you're admiring them to such a degree

that you inject some of their values.

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Values always go from those that are

more empowered to those that are least

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empowered in society.

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That's why rules and regulations and laws

all come down from the few at the top

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that are haves, to the people usually

that are the have-nots, the many.

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The one the many as we call it.

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And so anytime you infatuate with somebody

or admire somebody or put them on a

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pedestal, you'll tend to

inject some of their values.

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Whenever you attempt to do that,

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you'll sacrifice your own highest

values to fit into theirs.

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And when you do, that injected

value you'll attempt to live by.

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Ralph Waldo Emerson said, beware envy

his ignorance and imitation is suicide.

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And if you, Freud called it the superego,

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the internalization of outer authorities

values into your life is called the

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superego. And it moralizes you.

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So when you're living according to what

you think you should be according to

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their values, you feel good and

proud, which is an imposter syndrome.

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And then when you are don't feel like

you're doing it 'cause you can't sustain

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it, you'll beat yourself up and feel

shame, which is another imposter syndrome.

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Anytime you exaggerate or minimize

yourself to another human being,

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you've got sort of a facade,

a persona, mask that's on.

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It's not your real authentic self.

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And your real power is that authentic

one in the middle, the golden mean,

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as Aristotle said, between the excess

and deficiency of perception of self.

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But at the same time,

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you can also look down on people and

think what an idiot and how much a failure

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they are. And you exaggerate yourself.

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And now you're too proud to admit

what you see in them is inside you.

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And now you try to get them

to live in your values.

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Now you trying to live in other people's

values is futile. It's non-sustainable.

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Just try to do that.

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Think about it when you first started a

new relationship with somebody and you

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attempted to live in their values,

for the first few weeks you tried,

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but it wasn't sustainable and you started

to resent it and you wanted your life

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back. The same thing when

you go on to resent somebody,

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you try to get them to live

in your values and they can't.

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Anybody's been married

for a period of time,

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eventually gives up on the

idea of trying to fix the mate.

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They want to be loved for who they are.

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And who they are is based on the

whatever's highest on their value,

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their ontological identity.

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So anytime you try to change you relative

to others or others relative to you,

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you have non-sustainable futility.

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And what happens is when you exaggerate

yourself and look down on people,

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you tend to be narcissistic. You

want them to do what you want.

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And you want to be,

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you're the center of attention 'cause

you puffed yourself up with pride,

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only to eventually be pulled down.

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And when you minimize

yourself and exaggerate them,

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you're down kind of in shame,

you're minimizing yourself.

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And so eventually you get resentful about

that and you eventually build yourself

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back up.

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So either of those

polarities of personas and

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imposter facades that you wear

eventually come back into the center and

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oscillate around a mean, which is

your real self. And when you're there,

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you have sustainable fair exchange

in relationship with people.

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Now that's the individual, but on

the collective scale, people do that.

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So when somebody rises up in

power and influence and somehow

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they can, they can think that

they're superior to somebody else,

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they can then take their values and

project them onto people and think others

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are supposed to live in their

values. And so they can,

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the have's tend to do that

because most people at the,

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in the lower economics don't get to

have as much influence on the, you know,

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political arena and the laws and rules

and regulations so the haves typically

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project, and they tend to be on

the narcissistic side, not all,

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but there's a tendency

there. And they think,

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they're proud of themselves and

they stand tall, if you will.

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And the people that are down

in maybe less economics,

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they sometimes can be altruistic

and sacrifice. They're giving away,

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they're working hard and they're giving

away their profits to the people that

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have.

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So the ones that haves are the ones that

are playing on the narcissistic side

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sometimes, even though many of them,

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I've met some great business people

that are very, very balanced,

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but that's a tendency.

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And the people at the

bottom are sacrificing their

lives and barely getting by

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and giving profits to somebody else. Now,

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you wouldn't be running a business if

you couldn't get a profit out of the

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people because it's too risky to take

on that so it's an inevitable process.

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But the ones that are the haves

typically go towards more of a right wing

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thinking. They think in

terms of longer term,

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they think in terms of

economics for the generations.

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And the other ones are more

immediate gratification, survival.

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And so in the process of doing

it, they're more socialistic,

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they're more thinking about how do we,

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how do we get the government to take

care of us instead of how does the people

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take care of the government kind

of thing, on the other side.

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So these two poles, the capitalistic

and the socialistic together,

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if they go to extremes, they

breed the other. And you see this,

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if you go to America, for instance,

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and look at the presidency

and measure the Democrats,

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which are typically more the real

extreme democratic liberals or,

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and social,

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a little bit more socialistic and the

most extreme over here on the right

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conservatives are going to be a little

bit more capitalistic most likely.

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And so what's going to happen

is you go back and forth,

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you get a president that's a democrat

that's a little bit more social and that

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could be anywhere on the spectrum,

but slants that direction.

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And then you get over under Republican

and they're a little bit more

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capitalistic. And these go back and forth.

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If you look at the history of all the

presidents, they kind of balance out.

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So you can't have one

without the other over time.

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If you go to to purely capitalistic,

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you end up having the have and have-nots

becoming so far apart that you get a

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dumbbell shaped curve in

the distribution of wealth.

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And eventually revolutions occur.

'cause People can't afford to live.

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They create a revolution.

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And then the extremist on this side

that are radicals come in to try to

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counterbalance it. And at the same

time, if we go completely over on there,

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we have, you know,

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everybody's kind of the peace and open

the doors and immigration and everything

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we eventually have to come in and do

the other side. Kind of a, you know,

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the other extreme has to come in.

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We have to stop and prioritize

who's coming into our country.

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We have to make sure they're

producing more than they cost.

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And it gets it back into balance again.

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So nature forces a balance

between the testosterone and

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estrogen, the competitive and

cooperative, the war and the peace,

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the inner directed and outer directed,

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the capitalistic and socialistic,

the one and the many as they call it.

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You know,

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when you go to a complete dictator where

you get all the wealth in one hand of

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plutocracy or an aristocracy or something,

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you then have people in extreme

properties on the other side.

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You usually have kind of

irrational tyranny with that.

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So nature is constantly trying

to strive for a balance,

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an androgyny of male and female,

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the one that's cooperative

balancing competitive.

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So I don't want to make socialism wrong,

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I don't want to make capitalism wrong.

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A healthy balance of the

two is what's going to work.

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And anytime we go to one extreme or

the other, it eventually breaks down.

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Peter Drucker mentions this in business.

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And if you go look at the

oscillations in business cycles,

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you'll see when things are booming, they

start giving daycare centers, you know,

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in the company, and they start giving

people time off. And then when they get,

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they get a lot of estrogen if you will.

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And then when all of a sudden

the market cycle goes down,

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they trim the fat and they get

the muscle in and then they get the

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testosterone again. It gets more on

the capitalistic. One is a right brain,

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which is you're more social and more

people and family oriented and and

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health oriented. And one is more left

brain, business, finance intellectual.

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And so they go oscillating back

and forth and both are necessary.

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And trying to find and strike some sort

of a stable middle, middle class bound,

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you know, groundedness in

there is what stabilizes.

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You don't have the dumbbell shaped

curve. You have a bell shaped curve.

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Mean distribution. So if

you look at them over time,

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if you look at the capitalistic

and the socialistic sides to it,

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just go look at all the presidents.

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You'll see if you go tick them back

and forth and count them all up,

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they're going to come

pretty close to balance,

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with a couple middle of the paths,

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the libertarian and the wigs or

whatever between occasionally.

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But they're just going

to go back and forth.

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That's why if you go vote for this

side and you're always about this side,

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you're going to be pleased

and then displeased,

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you're going to have a bipolar condition,

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'cause you're striving for a one-sided

pole instead of understanding that nature

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must have both, because there has to

be a distribution of values in society.

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Whatever your values are, there's

somebody with the opposite set of values.

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So if you're very dedicated to

business, finance and intellect,

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you're going to keep attracting somebody

that's dedicated to family, social,

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and physical. One will be a producer,

one will be a reproducer, a consumer.

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And so consumerism makes more

towards the socialistic side.

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And the other is more towards the

saver and investor is the one that goes

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towards the capitalistic side.

So one's deferred gratification,

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one's immediate gratification.

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One is a lower socioeconomic

immediate gratification,

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and one's higher socioeconomic,

more deferred gratification.

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One is extracting surplus labor out of

people and one is basically sacrificing

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their labor value to others.

So the have and have nots.

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What's interesting though, if

you go into the socialistic,

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if they go to extreme,

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they're the people that eventually want

the government to take care of them with

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social welfare. If you go to the other

extreme, they go into building wealth,

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they end up philanthropic.

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Almost all the billionaires end up

having to be philanthropic to give money

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back. So nature is trying to

get that into equilibrium.

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So I'm not here to try to make one good

or bad. I don't find that productive.

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I'm just saying that nature's going

to force you to strike a balance.

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And when we go to poles,

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we get radical responses and those

are the ones that hit the media.

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'cause That's what sells. Anything

that's radical sells in the media.

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That's not necessarily what serves,

that may not what be what's true.

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And there's a, you know, if

you look at the stock market,

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the stock market goes up when people

are kind of manic and exuberant,

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emotionally exuberant, and

then they tend to think, well,

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they're more optimistic. The

price earnings of a stock

goes up, it's overpriced,

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but they're, everybody's doing it. So

the late bloomers are coming in. Well,

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it's all do it. And it rise up

until it eventually has to crash.

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It then goes down and now it's

undervalued stock and price earnings

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is low. And now that's when Buffett

comes in and buys up the stock.

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or smart people

buy when they, well,

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the smartest person buys and holds it

and knows that all those oscillations

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regress to a mean, which is the

intrinsic value of a company,

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and the same exact thing occurs because

all of that in the market is nothing but

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the psychology of people in

society. As Prector said,

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that's just our society's psychology.

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So if we do something and we know that

nature's going to oscillate between

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those two,

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why not have somebody who's a politician

that's intelligent enough to guide a

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governed system?

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The the blood glucose and oxygen goes

into the medial prefrontal cortex,

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which causes the,

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that executive center to govern

the amygdala's volatilities,

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the amygdala assigns valency of

positive and negative things and judges

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politically left and right,

judges this bad good,

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it's a moral hypocrisy.

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The person that's executive is the one

that's able to see and manage paradox and

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see the pair of opposites simultaneously

and not react to either one,

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but to act on the mission. The mission

is the integration of the two poles.

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And they're not, as Aristotle said

in his work on excess and deficiency,

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the vices, there was a

golden mean, a real virtue,

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the golden virtue inside the middle.

That's the thing that buffet invests in.

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That's why he has done so well.

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And Robert Greene talks about

if you can't manage emotions,

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don't expect to be a leader. If you can't,

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if you're letting your amygdala run wild

with polarities and biases and tribal

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thinking and ingroup outgroup

biases and subjective biases and

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confirmation, disconfirmation

bias, false positive,

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false negatives and all the thing

that the amygdala does for survival,

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you're going to go to

one extreme or the other.

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If you're in the middle and you

understand that both are necessary,

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you'll be reasonable and understand that

the people that are the have and have

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nots are valuable, and they both serve.

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If a company is a bunch of executives

and they got nobody working for them,

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they're not going to be executives.

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They only became executives

by the help of the people.

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So finding that balance

and caring about it,

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and I've seen individuals that run

companies from that perspective and

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they thrive.

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And I've seen them go to the other

extreme and then they have unions and you

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know,

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teamster people coming in there to

cause a revolution to get the money

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redistributed. So you need both. But

either extreme by itself backfires.

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And this has been known

for centuries, really.

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And so I'm not here to make

socialism bad or good, or capitalism,

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good or bad, or any of

the spectrums in between.

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Just know that they're part of a spectrum

of human behavior and human values and

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they all are serving.

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And it's just a matter of are you aware

enough and wise enough to find the mean

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and not react and not label

and not take a side so much.

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'cause Every time you take a

side, you create an opposite.

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There's a law called the

law of Eristic Escalation.

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Law of Eristic Escalation says, whenever

you take a side with some ideology,

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an equal and opposite ideology comes

along to counterbalance it, pro-life,

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pro-abortion, pro guns, anti-guns,

pro-Trump, anti-Trump, this kind of thing.

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And these are just,

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all you're doing is taking on a pole and

creating the opposite pole and getting

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into a conflict. You're in a

debate instead of the dialectic.

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If you study the dialectic

from Zeno and Hegel,

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you'll see that there's a

synthesis of pairs of opposites,

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a unity of opposites that

Heraclitus described, which

is where the real mean is.

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Even in Christianity, they called

the Christ, they called the logos.

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And the logos by Heraclitus

was the unity of opposites.

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And that's why the wisdom of that

statement in Christianity was so powerful.

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And wisdom is basically seeing

both sides simultaneously.

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And that way when you do extract income,

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you appreciate the people

that are helping you do it,

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and you make sure that they're

taken care of along the way.

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And so now you've found

a nice blend and balance.

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And they don't have to have going to

revolutions and conflicts to extremes.

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So socialism is not evil,

until it's to the extreme.

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Just like water, too little

water can cause death,

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too much water can drown you. The

right amount of water is the wellness.

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That's all. You know, find the rhythm,

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moderation and consistency

of social political thinking,

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and you'll find yourself more

stable and less reactive and less

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sensationally distracted by

media which sells distractions.

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It sells things that grab your

attention. That's what's about,

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it's not there to serve. It's there

to sell commercial time. ,

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they're making money off your polarities

of ignorance and your amygdala

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sometimes. So be aware, be wise.

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If you live by highest priority,

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you're more likely to get into the blood

glucose, into the executive center.

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You're more likely to be moderate.

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That's why I tell people to go and

identify their values and live moderately,

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come to my Breakthrough Experience

program where you can learn how to balance

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out,

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see the quality of your life's based on

the quality of the questions you ask.

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If you ask questions that

balance out your perceptions,

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you liberate yourself from these extremes

and give yourself permission to be

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empowered. True power is not

one pole or the other. ,

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it's like trying to get a positive pole

without a negative pole or a negative

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pole without a positive pole

in a magnet. It's futile.

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Or a coin with one head

without a tails. The same hing.

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Social political polarities

are by themselves, isolated,

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are non-sustainable, but put

together and integrated wisely,

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just like the brain does, the unity

of opposites is where the power is.

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So give yourself power to not

be swayed by misinterpretations,

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by ideologies that are biased

and incomplete in awareness.

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