Chamar and Andrew are back with yet another bonus episode as we continue the "Cape or Cap" season with Dragonball Evolution. As always, we are here to ask the big questions: Does the story make sense? How does it compare to its comic adaptation? What was happening behind the scenes? Is it a good addition to the universe? And most importantly, did the film earn its CAPE or was the hype around it all CAP?

Referenced Materials:

• Dragon Ball - Chapters 1-23 (episodes 1-13) and Chapter 135-161 (episodes 102-122)
• Journey to the West

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00:00:00 Intro

00:10:08 Movie Recap

01:02:31 Comic Knowledge

01:19:04 Behind the Scenes

01:21:00 "Cape or Cap" Decision

01:33:43 The Ending Reminder

I feel like we use the word Brolic in association

with Broly that's my own personal belief.

No, it's 100% True. We definitely took that. And I have

no other explanation

Hi, I'm chamar Griffith codename Comicchams.

And I'm Andrew Tejada. Codename Arete this season we're

looking at the worst superhero movies ever and seeing if

they're fun or straight up dumb on Cape or cap

a bonus season of yet another DC animated podcast

Welcome to Cape or cap our bonus season here on yet another DC

animated podcast. My name is chamar Griffith Codename comics

chams.

And I am Andrew tejada. Codename

arete Andrew and I have known each other since

1996. That was

the year the last episode of Dragon Ball Z aired in Japan

ah yeah yeah, after this some people will gonna wish it stayed

that way. You know? Spoilers

Yes, this franchise has survived so much. Beginning

since the 80s Oh, actually, we're celebrating the 40th

anniversary of it really? And in 96 we ended Dragonball Z A

couple years later in 2009 We received the film

it's called films stretch your Yeah, it's a it is a

collection of events on screen certainly. We witnessed all of

it.

That's right because for today's capital Cape season

episode we're talking about the movie that basically not only

ended live action adaptations of Dragonball for a while are

actually in general

yeah

this one was also I feel like we should have known

that this was the warning sign of bad live action adaptations

of animate that will just run the 2010s I think because

between like this movie, death No. Think Fullmetal Alchemist

came out around the same time to this was the movie that started

it all. Dragon Ball evolution notice I said Dragon Ball not

Dragon Ball.

Man the the names in this movie will get there.

Yes. Because at a runtime of 85 minutes, we got

this 2009 film directed by James Wong. This will be his last

movie directing on the big screen. Yes.

Not James Wan guys, James Wong. We want to make that very

clear. This has not changed. w

o n g. We're spelling that correctly. But

prior to this film, he also directed the first and third

films and Final Destination kind of scenes for the night he's

directed films about people killing off things. We got to at

least the one but he does he does speak good stuff. I will

say because I did enjoy at least one but more importantly, he

made some great stuff by famously writing for great

number of episodes of The X Files.

Yeah, you know, sometimes writers. You know writers are

important and sometimes writers might might like writing more

than making adaptations of anime.

Very true. Speaking of writers, we got the writer of

the screenplay here Ben Ramsay is known for writing Mark

Wahlberg is a big hit. He wrote and erected love and a bullet

starring TREACH from naughty by nature as the rap group, you

know, educating y'all out there.

He also directed blood and bone starring Michael

J. White. And this one funny thing about this blood bone

arrests came out the same year as Dragonball Evolution. So this

might explain something.

Maybe it's working some things out. Yeah.

But most importantly, this was my

favorite thing about this. Ben here, worked on the art

department for Don't be a menace in south central while drinking

your juice in the hood.

I mean, everything looks ghetto as hell, in terms of

production design, so that's what he was going for. Sure.

We usually don't do this but we do. I do want to

give a special shout out to the executive producers as we have

the late great Akira Toriyama. Rip Sensei, who upon the release

of this movie, actually apologized for what happened and

immediately went to work. Right after and started writing and

putting together several animated movies dedicated to

this universe after he finished the already and even started off

with the sequel series that we know from Super superhero. And I

know he must have been tight because like this whole movie

should have basically been like an easy paycheck for him. It

really led to him having to do more work.

Yeah, I, you know, can't understate how much of

influential Akira Toriyama was and his series was into bringing

animate to the west and to getting I know myself personally

into anime. He did that. And it is just a shame that a movie

exists that will turn you away from anime permanently.

Yeah, it's very true and you know, yes. Not going to

downsize the impact that Akira has had like I'm literally

recording this episode right now wearing like a Dragonball Z

hoodie. Semi dressed as Goku. I tried. I really try.

I got a monkey tail temporarily implanted for this,

you know? More than the movie.

But alright, right. The NEC is gonna jump right into

this movie. Really starting with the cast list because we got

Justin Chatwin as Goku. Justin would later go on to be a star

in the show. Shameless, which is saying a lot about his portrayal

of Goku in here. Chow Yun Fat is Master Roshi know him from

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and a lot of martial arts films

that really broke out here in the west side of the world. In

the early 2000s. Mr. Awesome will actually end up joining

Justin in shameless as she's here today as BOMA, which is

really hilarious that these two were in this movie and about two

years later ended up being shameless. I feel like this had

to be like a Saturday project for them.

Yeah, and they also hung out with the Joker the future

Joker, prototype Joker, Cameron Monaghan. Oh my god. Yes, yes.

Luckily, he was not in this film, but someone who,

to me personally gives very similar energy. We got James

Marsters who was playing King Piccolo. I just found out after

watching this film that was him.

Yeah, yep, he is. Thankfully unrecognizable in

that makeup. Oh,

yeah. Yeah, look out Suicide Squad. You're lucky this

didn't come out in 2016 You

could have won an Oscar. Um,

we got June Park.

He is a South South Korean pop star and actor known

for being a part of the group God or God. I'm not entirely too

sure how to pronounce it. But today he is Yamcha

Erica, tomorrow is my go. She

was my okay. I didn't even bother to look up who she

was play. Wow, that's an interpretation.

Yeah, if you're a Dragon Ball fan, you know and if

you're not a Dragon Ball fan, we will tell you soon. Oh, Randall

Doug Kim, known famously as Master Oogway in the Kung Fu

Panda series. Today he's playing grandpa Gohan or go hand as they

pronounced in the movie.

Yeah, when? Yeah, yeah, as long as he's alive.

Another big star during this time and I feel like

she has been in so many movies that is countless just to kind

of go through her resume right now. But Jamie Chung she is here

today playing the role of chichi the as we know in the Dragon

Ball series, a future wife and of the future wife and amazing

fighter of sorry, the future wife of Goku and be amazing

fighter. She already is.

Yeah, I think she's she fought her way out of the bad

reputation. This movie. I think she had the most solid. Oh,

yeah. Hello career next to James Marsters, I think after this.

Yeah, I

definitely like I again, like it. There's like,

it's been so long since I've seen this movie, mainly because

I've been avoiding it for so long. That these two were like

people who I did not expect to see in this film, including the

last person that we have on our list. This was such a surprise

for me, because when I saw him, I thought it was him and I was

like, Nah, that can't be he wouldn't do this. Currently, he

has been killing it in Ghostbusters. You know, he was

the first black Ghostbuster was a hero to all when it came to

busting ghosts and everything. Today we got Ernie Hudson, in

the very short role of seafood Norris.

Well, yeah, okay.

I won't let you ponder that anymore. All right,

well with that we're just going to instant transmission to the

beginning of Dragon Ball evolution.

Like all great movies, it opens with narration. And look,

we could sit here like Cinema Sins and being every inaccuracy

in this but let we're going to try to not do too much of that

because we'd be here for seven hours. But in this universe,

again we're getting we know all of this is wrong in advance. Oh,

yes, but we're just going to cover it as it's presented to

us. So in this universe 1000s of years ago, Piccolo, comes from

his home planet brings a great ape to earth as his number two

guy together. They're just wreaking havoc on Earth and not

stopped when they use a technique called the Mfu. Ba.

Which a cat it captured him like Rita Repulsa in Power Rangers,

and he was captured for like 1000 years. What happened to the

Great Ape? Don't worry about it. All right. It's not important

because I don't know what happens to the Great Ape that

was with them. Did he die? Did it was it supposed to be Goku

ancestor and then

I'm still trying to wrap my mind over the fact that

it was seven mistakes who created the seven dragon balls?

Oh, I I blacked out. Blacked out at that part. Yeah,

so it this is the backstory. Okay, I have to do this one and

the original source material. This is like a 60 year

difference. And it turned into 1000s of years for no reason.

Okay. All right. So okay, okay. Bring it back in equal weight

this energy. Okay. So that all happens. So after we get the

narration, we cut to modern day which is in the future but also

not, which is the Dragon Ball aesthetic. Yeah, yeah. It's

futuristic, but it's also has elements of like rules

societies. So it's kind of getting there. But the problem

is it leans too much on the future side of it. So it does

look like it's the future but not in any case. In the future,

but not as a teenage teenage Goku is training with Master

Colheita not going to

go Thank you. Also, I want to say that Goku in this

they treat them as a teenager but this man little older than

commander yet they say that he's younger than command.

Especially when he does that forehead vein thing. Oh, he

just gained 16 years.

This man goes through stress. But like you

were mentioning it's Goku he is training with his grandfather go

hon not go hand it's a fun little scene because the two of

them are on a tight tight ropes trying to like bow battle it out

they're using was supposed to be representations of key which is

basically in this movie giant gust of energy not sorry, not in

a giant gust of wind. You see how I said energy because it's

almost a light bulb could have worked here. And we learned that

the thing that comes out of this is just like the two of them are

having fun. Grandpa Gohan is just basically saying that like

when they're when you're fighting in this particular

matchup with me. The rules are there are no rules. So it's just

like basically anybody could die and okay, because there are no

rules. That's almost how much I interpreted as Goku ends up

losing however, right before he does kick a bug into his

grandfather's mouth, which distracts him but he still

loses. That's not the point. This is when he's like, Alright,

I gotta go gotta get ready for school. And this was the first

time I was I remember the first time watching this I was just

like, wait, hold up, Goku was educated.

Yes, this is one of the odd changes because the reason

why Goku is known as this fighter in the series is because

he's left alone for a large portion of his life and all he

He does his fight. He doesn't really get an education. And

fortunately for him, it turns out that he's one of the

strongest people on Earth. So we kind of need him to keep

fighting. So that works out for him. So here, he just goes to

school and he is, he keeps telling us, you know that he's

an odd teenager. He seems like a normal teenager, honestly. Like,

honestly. Yeah.

He has a bookbag he's going to school. He's got a

little motorbike. Yeah. So he seems pretty, relatively normal.

And here's, here's there's also a line here where he promises

his grandpa Gohan that he won't fight. If he gets in trouble at

school. If you want to turn off the movie at this point, and

leave we understand because if you know anything about Goku,

he's fighting. fight anybody at anytime. Like it's it's on site.

He'll fight like

you gotta see this. Goku will fight you. Do you not

have this Goku will fight you. Does

on site. And they'll ask he'll ask. And you know, Goku

says all he wants is to be normal and get girls. Even if

this wasn't a butchering of a character, that would be a

horrible motivation to introduce your hero. And after all this

whining and complaining, he is gifted a Dragon Ball from one of

the one of the seven Mystic Dragon Balls. He just handed it

and Grandpa go on says take that to school, son. And now we're at

school where Goku is almost killed. Yeah,

because as he parks his bike he gets off of it. He's

immediately run over by I'm assuming this was a Camaro

mainly because of everything that was happening with

transformers, which I think the third Transformers film may have

come at this point. So everybody was really into commercials at

this point.

So he gets run over by Well, sorry, his bike, not him.

I'm assuming this was trying to be a play on the fact of when

Bulma almost ran him or actually hit him with the car. But it

does not work out well. So he gets upset he tries to fight

these bullies. One vicious play by a man by name of Texas battle

like

this was his legit name. And I'm just like, I feel

like he chose the wrong career path.

points for originality, buddy.

But Goku does hold back. And this is mainly because

Chi Chi who's played by Jamie Chung here, she walks in kind of

pulls everybody away because it seems to be that she's in a

relationship with Texas or situation ship whatever is

happening here. Um, so, while in school, Goku is getting

education. He's learning about the solar eclipse. At the same

time, we see basically King Piccolo. Actually wait do they

call him King Piccolo in this movie?

I I don't remember.

King Piccolo because that's what I know in my heart.

All right. King Piccolo is on his ship. He's investigating

trying to find the rest of the Dragon Balls. He's joined by his

henchmen my they're all They're all on this journey. He

eventually drops like some kind of energy bomb into which looks

basically like a condensed form of a fart town into some body

into like a little countries area and everything it I'm

assuming because they never actually show it that it

destroys everything and blows everything up. So they try to

find there's these two individuals who trying to find

sanctuary in there seems to be like a woman and a young child,

possibly her daughter. So they hide underneath. And we see that

my is down there now searching for the other dragon balls that

they detected down there. And she my finds it brings it back

up to pick King Piccolo. And basically we go back to Goku

learning about solar eclipses. He's not paying attention

because I gotta say this, this entire setup of him looking at

Chi Chi, and they're like flowers blooming in the

background. I feel like this was the introductory this was

probably the same school as the Twilight movies. Something about

this looks so familiar. And this is when he was just like, This

movie's over me the wrong way.

Yeah, she's eating strawberries in his fantasy. Is

that a metaphor? Doesn't anyone know I'm not like, oh, maybe?

Yeah. Oh, okay, caca rot, but that might have been actually

too much. But I would have applauded them for the boldness,

if they had gone for it. Go coos daydream of strawberries is

rudely interrupted when he is asked about the Eclipse and what

what do you do during an eclipse? And instead of saying

Don't stare at the sun like any normal person, he says, His

grandpa told them beware the namics, an alien race that

invaded Earth. How would they know this? I don't know. I don't

I don't I can't ask that question. But that's what he

knows he kind of rehashes the opening. That won't be the first

time Don't worry. And immediately we cut to outside of

class where chichi is having trouble with her locker. So Goku

opens it with the key blast. And she she immediately calls him

out. He tries to hide but he's too slow to get away in time. Or

chichi is really fast, either or in a line that is going right up

here in the Hall of lame with X Men and X women saving the day

all the time. She She says just because my name is Chi Chi

doesn't mean I'm stupid. If anybody out there, your name is

Chi Chi. I'm sorry that this line was written. I made no

assumptions on you based her name, and I won't. I'm making

assumptions of whoever wrote that line or edited it. Why? Why

did you do this? Agree?

Because like, this is also I've heard this nickname

before. And then it has never actually even been associated

with Dragon Ball or any of the storytelling. So the fact that

you somewhat had the audacity to stand there and write this line

and was like, hell yeah, I

cooked it and throw it into the movie. I was this was

really, really dumb because it then leads into Goku trying to

defend it by saying that I didn't think you're dumb but in

his comment, he stills like calling her dumb. And this is

like I understand that they're trying to give the guy who's

super attracted to this girl says dumb things.

But a lot of this ended up just being insulting to

chichi. But somehow it winds her over to the point where she's

just like, hey, I'm having a party later on. You should come

by. Um, so Goku is just getting ready. He's back at home. He's

trying to look as normal as possible. Which I'm like, to me,

I'm just like, I don't get it. Because it's not like you're not

not normal. Like you're pretty. You're pretty average dude. If

you really look at yourself, like no one's gonna know

anything different about you. Even tries using some hair glue

to slick his hair back a lot because he does in the movie, AV

like it's not the typical Goku hair cut, but it's just

basically a very high cut fade. That probably see a lot of

people were wearing during the 2010s Honestly. So he tries

slicking his hair back. Unfortunately, as a sight gag

the hair is just too strong so flicks all the hair glue back up

onto the thing. And this is when you hear that his that grandpa

Gohan is just like basically prepping dinner for what's

supposed to be Goku 18th birthday. But Goku has plans and

he's just like he just really wants to go and be a normal

teenager.

Yeah, he had to miss out on all that delicious chicken

feed that grandpa Gohan was making. i He looked like he was

seasoned at it. I'm not gonna lie the way he

will say yeah,

he was looking at that. I was like, maybe I'd give it a

shot. What's weird about this scene is Goku leaves without

saying goodbye. And in normal movies. In this kind of

scenario. The teenager has been banned from doing the thing or

get in trouble from doing the thing. Here he just skips out on

his grandpa with no explanation. No. No reason at all. So I don't

understand why he can't say goodbye I'm going I'm gonna step

out for like five minutes. You were allowed to go.

This man did not have a curfew on like most of us

who are watching this movie in 2009. Like,

we would get in more trouble. So Goku gets to the

party immediately. It's on site with the these bullies, they

they're they're more Goku than he is. Because they tried to

take them on in a fight when the lead guy pours out of glass of

water to intimidate Goku, and my my nephews have outgrown this

like maybe three years ago they would like if paid for they

would pour water on the floor and just look at you and Miss

Miss Shinsengumi. But yeah, so that's what I thought of when my

he did that. I was like, that's what my nephews would do when

they were four years old. So, instead of fighting them,

though, who just dodges them so they hate each other. At one

point, the fuller comes out of the house and because Goku was

dodging so artfully full of destroys his own car. And

everything here is rendered in slomo for no apparent reason.

And after the scene after all the bullies are down, chichi

says hey, Goku, thanks for humiliating my boyfriend. Come

on in.

So they head on over to what is the most massive plates

this is definitely a 2000s movie because it's just like, the

these kids are just partying in basically was a mansion, there's

a fountain connected to a pool. And they just have free reign.

I'm not sure if they were showing alcohol usage.

That's the only thing I'm not sure about in this film. But as

they they're just talking is now just chichi and Goku. They're

talking about the struggles of being different when it's like

no, you're not. And then it's like they're talking about

fighting and how great it is. And it was just like we have yet

to see all actually execute great fighting skill. And also

about key, which I mean, I guess we saw. I'm also confused as to

why he knows so much about key and yet it's just like hardly

ever explain. And does she even use

key in his movie?

No, that's my main issue. Because it's like, she

talks about key like, it's like literally the thing that she

uses everyday like she pours a cup of water. She's using key to

do it. Yes, she never uses it once in the movie. She never

shows that her family is using it at any point during the

movie. She just says I know what it is. And I was like, okay,

cool. I know what a solar eclipse is. But I don't have the

power to wield it. So it's like, I don't understand why the

dialog is forcing us to just have it be that Goku and chichi

have to bond over fighting here like Yes, that sounds very

similar to what was happening in Dragon Ball. Like they bonded

over the two of them being able to fight against each other. But

the way that has been done here, it just seems like chichi is

talking about things, and is trying away trying to explain it

to Goku. And Goku is not I don't know, it just feels like the

conversation about isn't authentic enough to be that this

should be the thing that they bond over where I wish there was

just like, Hey, did you watch I didn't realize you were a

fighter? Did you do like watching fights and tournaments

and all that? Oh, did you check out this one? I feel like the

connection should have been more. So this is the things I

gravitate towards. Not something that has ancestral connection

that somehow may also influence the fate of the world.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's, it just is not there's really no

payoff to this. Also, there's a parent at the party. I just have

them. Oh, yeah, there's a parent there. I want what the parent

doesn't do anything. Why is a parent there? It's not a

reference to anything like

I think it's just a show like hey, this is Rich

people. And I was like, after like a giant mansion because

I've done

yeah, I think we got the hint. So elsewhere, Piccolo

pulls up to grandpa. Go Hans house because yes, so that pause

is because this doesn't make sense. So piccolo has some

innate ability to sense Dragon Balls, which we can accept. He

doesn't in we can accept it for this movie does for the movie we

can. Knowing that he can touch the Dragon Balls. Why would he

go to grandpa go Hans house? Because Goku had the Dragon

Ball. So why did he go to the house? It doesn't make any

sense.

I feel like the essence would have been stronger

since Goku has been traveling with it the entire day. Versus

like the last time it was there was literally almost at this

point eight hours ago, like, it can't be that the energy is that

strong as you couldn't sense it had traveled. Yeah,

that doesn't really make sense for a mystical being

that's supposed to be on top of his game. But anyway, he goes to

the house, he defeats Gohan pretty easily and then uses the

Force to crush the house. Goku senses it and runs home. And

while he's saving Grandpa, I also realized this is the first

time in the movie, when he's lifting debris that he's shown

to have super strength, it's not actually clear that he has super

strength until this point, which is really bad. It's really bad.

Because if you're going to do a reveal, like this have super

strength than it should be at a really good moment. You're doing

it for like, like a Hancock. Like when a certain character

reveals they have super strength in Hancock, great. But here,

it's like it's too late. It's too late. Now.

Also, I just want to say this is basically the entire

setup of every Spider Man film we've ever seen. Even the sense

of the super strength reveal, like it was done way better day

like so as I was watching this film I was thinking back to

especially during the fight that he had with, with Fuller and the

bullies that were keep coming after him. I was like, this is

basically a version of Tobey Maguire, Spider Man, one he's

facing off against Flash Thompson in battle against the

lockers. And in that we see the sense of the super strength, the

the extra abilities there, like you said, it's done in a way

where it's not only a surprise to the viewer, but it's a

surprise to the person enacting the act. So when it's like, oh,

he just lifts off this thing is that, and this is just saying

that, like he just has super strength. It's not the case of

just like, you know, like, the mother who sees her baby in

trouble has like, extreme adrenaline. This is a clear case

that he's not like other people. And I feel like that would have

been a better starting place to incorporate that as you saying,

into the intro of his character versus I'm not like other people

because I live out in the desert. And I train with my

grandpa, which honestly, I feel like is the story for a lot of

parents when a lot of our parents back when they were

living in different countries outside of America, or is this

like, this is this is our stories, but this is not how we

wanted it to be told. Yeah,

it's a pretty, pretty normal backstory. So go hands

dead. Great. And now he's saying make sure you go to see Master

Roshi. He'll know what to do. So Goku buries his grandpa and said

I'm doing that. Then he goes back to his house asleep and

said I'm going to see Roshi. And then Boomer, comes in with the

using her dragon radar shows up to get the Dragon Ball and she

gets into a quick tussle with Goku. Almost they almost have

this one to almost good, but she doesn't shoot them and you know

an original she shoots him. He shakes it off. That's how they

meet. But here nope. Nope. She doesn't shoot him. She just

threatens him. Is he strong enough to take it? We don't

know. Because they don't. We don't. It's not established in

this movie. How durable he is. So and I also ironically, bomo

breaking into Google's house, it really should be the other way

around. Nobody should be breaking into Bowman's house. So

Bowman reveals that she added Dragon Ball in Star Labs where

she works. And they were trying to make infinite energy. I don't

it's not clear that this world even needs that. I think they're

doing just fine. So now she wants to help Goku find the

Dragon Balls so she can make infinite energy for the world.

That's that's her arc. And so they go do that they go and they

just go find Master Roshi right after this. i There's nothing

really significant happened. They just go find them.

Yeah, it's basically immediate. There's a little gag

in which we do they do try to tap into some of the typical

Goku character like arcs or things where it's just like he's

eating the giant turkey leg, which I feel like in the last

couple movies that we've seen, like turkey legs or just been

just been a bad side. Like I don't understand. Why are we

eating too turkey legs just out in the he's just eaten out in

the street. On the bike. He's questioning why Bulma can't find

Master Roshi questions like, Hey, did you look up master in

the in the white pages and everything. It's there for five

seconds. And then they eventually find Master Roshi as

they walk up to a house that it's like I don't really know

how to describe it because this one is nothing like the common

house at all. But what they do is this basically, it's like

pure nice great setup futuristic land all around him. And this

somehow he just lives on a random piece of rock hanging on

for dear life and a chasm.

Yeah, maybe it's like he didn't refuse to give into

gentrification, so they just know, dug around him. Maybe he's

the hero of the story. But they find him and grow up and go who

because he broke into his house. They get into a brief tussle.

And again, it's it's okay, but it's also you have Chow Yun Fat

here. So the choreography should be insane here

should have been Yeah, um,

but it's just overabundance on slomo. And then

they do a weird thing where Roshi moves his hands real fast

and Goku can't keep up. It's a not not a great fighting. So I'm

in the house. They explain everything, bro. She doesn't

know where the Dragon Ball is. And it's a shame nobody there

has a device that can find Dragon Balls. Exactly. So go

whose senses it? And at this point, bro, she's like, Hey, you

know what, Goku? I think you could use a little training

actually. Because he does. So he's like, Hey, we're gonna

we're gonna we're gonna teach you how to master your energy.

Your your master the elements because airbending he mentioned

airbending

he does mention the airbending and this was when as

I was watching it, I was just like, now there's a greater show

and move will not move in. Regular television series set of

them that have used airbending more effectively in this film

will refer to the

two years of I've had the roughest two years Avatara ever

had been mentioned in Dragon Ball evolution and then the 2010

movie. No, we're not covering it. Anyway. So

yeah, that's me. Sorry. That's immediate cap.

We're not Yeah, no.

No, there's no reason to do it. So yeah, now they're at

the they're at they go to a training camp. Chichi just

happens to be there. Don't worry about it. And then they fall

into a hole.

Yeah, we get a little quick montage of them running

Goku is like doing handstands on the car, and he's running with

all their packages, and then there's just a whole. Um, we see

we get introduced now to this to Yamcha. Who he's like, hey, I

can help you guys out for a small fee. And Bulma. She's

like, how I don't understand how this whole could have gotten

here. Goku and Roshi are just like, I mean, clearly he dug the

hole in order to get us down here for some kind of

compensation. And he's like, Alright, cool. I'm gonna leave

y'all down there until the sun comes out. But so that so that

you guys could all just burn up and whatnot. And now it's

moonlight. Which should normally in Dragon Ball telling should be

the scariest point for, for Goku. But that's not this milk.

Oh, I

didn't have a tail. So

you fairpoint this. So this entire time they're

like, this is when Ballmer pulls up with for I don't even think

they call it a Dragon Ball. I think they call it a DBE or

something something

else. Yeah, that's catchy. It's like no, it isn't

actually no.

And she finds out that there's somehow a dragon

ball in the same cavern that they're in right now. Roshi

immediately jumps out the whole and I was like, why did you not

do that in the first place? He's like, we no longer have time for

your games. How about though I make you an offer? You can't

refuse by giving You a third of all the earnings of what we

ended up doing with this Dragon Ball. There's a quick little

joke about how Ballmer was upset about this but Yoshi is just

like well, they're a third and nothing is still nothing. So he

takes the writ they find the Dragon Ball but in order to do

to get to the dragon ball this is when they go to the lake of

fire right?

Yes, yeah.

They have to crawl they somehow get on with

supposed to be I'm assuming the center of the earth and survive

even when piccolo King Piccolo uses his blood to create on

scene monsters beings in the CGI is so bad that you actually

can't even see the monsters that attack them.

Like the creatures from Power Rangers, Turbo you know,

that's

what I was thinking.

But yeah, so Goku solos this whole entire mission he uses

when the most grotesque thing I've ever seen. He uses the

ripped apart bodies of the monsters that were attacking

them, throws them into the lake of lava to create a bridge so he

can run over and pick up the dragon ball that is just place

conveniently well placed to on like a rock pillar.

Yep, my shows up briefly in the center of the earth to

try to steal the Dragon Ball. She doesn't succeed she has to

run away. Um, but at this point, Goku gets a vision from the

Dragon Balls. Sure that he a giant ape is going to kill all

of his friends. So he's a little apprehensive about that.

Meanwhile, Roshi those to his master Ernie Hudson, to learn

the MA foo bar, which she knows about but doesn't know how to do

apparently. And we have Chi Chi briefly competing in the all

Valley tournament, all Valley karate tournament. And then the

CompTIA and BOMA have a romantic scene. If it sounds like bullet

points, it is these are just the events in the movie. There's no

coherence, there's no tight time and together in any progression.

These are the events of the movie, as presented to us. Now.

It's time to learn to command me.

So we head back to a place where the group is staying

for the night. And this is part of go who's training

specifically the air bending part. We learned that the

Kamehameha wave is their strongest force against King

Piccolo. And I was just like, so what about the mafia boss. And

this is when Roshi explains that it is a collection of energy

that will then be shot out as an explosive wave. And I mean,

that's just the spirit bombed in my opinion. But but for the sake

of this movie, Roshi does the move. It is nothing like you

have ever seen in any Dragon Ball production. Because we and

I'm going to try to explain this as best as I can, because I had

to, I had to mimic it because I was just like, I've never been

able to do the command on my heart. When I was younger, maybe

I was just doing it wrong. Maybe this movie is the one that got

it accurately, right. You take your wrist, put them up in the

air, connect them, then you roll them towards you so that they're

out. Then you stretch out your left hand, bring your other hand

across your body, thumb up some up thumbs, some up is important,

okay, and down your arm to your chest. You then repeat the same

motion on the other side. And once you have done that, bring

your hands up in the air curl put them around your head and

use that to bring forward the energy by breathing out

yesI by this point in the battle, you'd already be dead.

So you probably would have made it this step like one and a half

maybe after your opponent stops being confused at what the hell

you're doing. Yeah, I don't know, the part of the appeal of

the call may have may have is that it's a simple technique.

You know, it's kind of Like, Captain America shield Iron

Man's repulsors Spider Man's web shooters? Yep, press a thing a

thing happens. That's kind of what the command may have.

There's some build up times sometimes but the form is very

simple. It overcomplicating, like this makes it impractical,

absolutely impractical to use in a battle and there's already a

dragon ball technique that does that so there's no need to be

too I'm just want to quickly

say I did try it in person I just tried it again

now. Both times it did not work. So unfortunately, this is just

my quest continues to

master they're bending to me. So I'm, Goku is instructed

to use a command how may have master is key to light some

torches. He tries to cheat, which is the probably the most

offensive thing the movie could have done the Goku the idea that

he would cheat at a physical challenge is ludicrous. It's

just ludicrous, though who does not cheat at all. So at some

point he sneaks in and tells him go who ever taught you like you

get to take a step towards me. And with the promise of a kiss

apparently. And so Goku in wanting to hook up with Chi Chi

so badly masters that come may have may have to hook up with

Chi Chi um,

this whole thing like I have seen I just seen

this before I have actually seen this work. Actually, no, I've

seen the fail many many times. Because this is the same exact

plot point is Billy Madison. And it didn't work for hot teacher

but it did work for the other guy that did try to get with

that film.

But yeah, it's it's bad. I feel like it as you're saying this is

a bad way to put Goku this is like he's cheating. He believes

that the only way that he can master an art is through to be

frank horniness. Hmm um, so it's a lot it's a lot has happened

two years ago.

And while he's distracted my sneaks in while dress

disguises Shuchi because earlier in the all Valley she sold

cheese blood and my is able to shape shift with the blood into

Chi Chi so actually about that I guess I'm better in My Hero

Academia

Don't worry. Oh, yes.

Oh my god stolen a retro actively stolen from the future.

So the two cheese ash as the he tries to escape ends up fighting

the real chichi Goku shows up. And what could have been funny,

because Gokusen was me an idiot. And like, you know, it's a thing

you've seen in a million movies and TV shows about? I'm the real

one and the real one. So this could have been really funny.

But it's not Goku just knocks out his whole pool girlfriend,

and then gets shot with a regular gun. And he's almost

killed. No, that would No, it would not kill him. And if

you're telling me in this movie, that he's too, he's too fragile.

To handle a gun blast. I want to remind us that in the next

scene, he's gonna go head to head with Piccolo who could

crush a house with his bare hands without any effort. So I'm

a little skeptical that a regular gun could bring him to

the edge of death. Speaking which Roshi uses a command Ha ha

ha. Yeah. To to heal him. And at the range he did that which is

on his chest. It should have killed him. Yes. And there are

there's again, sorry if you have Dragonball Z fan. But there is a

mechanic and Dragonball Z, a small beam a sensory beam you

feed to a person they heal. This would not be complicated to

explain on spring. Roshi can be like, Oh, I happen to have one

in my pocket. My mom's gave me one two minutes ago. I would

have been fine with that. A healing machine there's those in

Dragonball universe, but a come may have may have meant the

ultimate weapon when to kill piccolo in this movie. You're

using it to heal. No, you don't get to have it both ways. No

movie, go to jail.

Oh my gosh. So So while Goku was dead for a

minute, he does see his grandfather go on again. He's

like, so happy to see You his grandfather's like, it's not

your time sends him back. But he does share. So it's like, things

are happening faster than they should. So he needs to get it

together. Meanwhile, Goku is just like Alright, now that I'm

back, we need to stop piccolo once and for all, because my was

able to steal every single dragon ball that was in their

possession meaning now that piccolo has all the Dragon

Balls. Another thing that happened that I mean is so

quickly done that it just honestly, I'm surprised I forgot

about it. Go whose standard gi thing that the iconic gi that he

wears. He does open it up. He sees it he has it from his

grandfather. In an earlier scene. Am I 90% sure that the

logo was fake though it was something was off about the

logo. It was which is like this

so now that piccolo has arrived at the dragon temple, because

everybody knows this is where you go to for the Dragon Balls

to be to be placed so that you can say the thing is summon

Shenron he arrives everybody jumps into the fight. They do

get the car gets a little bit hit and go cool. So this would

be a great time to change in the back of a Prius into my super

suit. Which isn't really a super suit. And in fact, if you really

look at the movement that he has with it I feel like it probably

would have slowed him down so much.

Yeah, and it doesn't really do anything because it

even within the lore of the movie. We've never seen him wear

this right you don't we had several established it's his

grandfather's symbol, or any symbol for that matter. And go

who never acknowledges that? Pick a little killed Gohan huh?

It never comes up. So it's not like I wore this for my grandpa

I'm here for revenge. No, no, they're he's doing this for no

reason. So now as they got to stop piccolo um, I remember I

forget what order this happens. But the scary Roshi tries a

mouthful, but it fails he dies All right moving on. Um,

actually, no, no, no, I'm Roshi tries them off who

ba but dies, because it changes into old Saru and kills Roshi

writes right the way you explained it is the accurate way

that it should have been done. I appreciate the fact that was a

grain to your memory that that was your default.

i The crazy thing is I watched his movie like a day

ago, and I don't remember I have notes and I I must have been

blacking out constantly. Speaking of blacking out

constantly. Goku the eclipse happens. You know not like the

eclipse that happened earlier this month. But don't I hope you

didn't turn into a great ape because that's what happens with

Goku turns into a great ape. How did piccolo know that Goku would

be here 1000s of years 1000s

I'm out somehow he's been plotting all this time when

he was just magically released and they never told us how he

was released. I mean, I feel like he was only released like a

couple of days ago to be honest.

Yeah, a lot. I guess he did is

not giving no we're not we're not giving him any

leeway on not doing it. Um

so Goku is in giant aid form he kills Roshi as as

mentioned he he menaces Yamcha a little bit I to be honest I

don't know even want no I'm just here. I know it's for the money.

But he he wouldn't know he wouldn't be here

like he at least you have more motivation than that

lash back

that's that's really not saying that much um yeah, so go

who's doing the grade eight thing and then he just remembers

that he's human and he stops That's That's it. He's not a

gradient anymore. So

this was a very bad looking great AP looks like he

looks like a like in from underworld.

It does does have that energy. These things are

supposed to be massive. They're supposed to be calm.

Essentially, that's why they can destroy planets. It's not the

size of like a slightly bigger monkey. Um, and yeah, normally

you got to cut off their tail, which again is something that

can easily been incorporated. But it wasn't. So now that he's

back to normal and it's time for a spinal fight with Piccolo.

It's as exciting as we sound. Ah, so

yes, there's a little back and forth is much

quicker than actually any Dragonball Z episodes to be

honest. Um, so, as Goku says, like, I have already figured out

that I am one I am Mozart, I am Goku. He says I'm going to use

these two personalities because I have to team up and take down

you Piccolo and piccolos like you won't stand a chance. So as

the to battle it out, they're like exchanging blows. Very few

of them. They exchange and key blast very few of them. And are

actually I'm not can't to call them key blasts, I'm gonna call

them key throws, because again, they just look like balls of

wind being thrown at each other. We see now that Goku is about to

die. And he's like, I gotta channel all of my anger from my

friends dying, which was technically as well. And all of

my love for my friends, which is weird. You just met them not too

long ago. So he's like, I kind of pull off the command mail

wave, which he does, he does he does he charges it up. Picking

piccolos able to bring up his key blasts and as they send them

flying towards each other. Another thing gets sent flying

tourists King Piccolo and that is Goku with both arms extended,

breaks the laws of physics. And it's traveled with his command

omega wave up into the sky to give piccolo the most

devastating headbutt to the chest.

So, I want to try to give this movie a little grace. Okay,

a little a little grace. When Goku faces King Piccolo, and the

traditional story, he at this point the battle is both his

legs and one of his arms is broken. And picking because like

you can't do anything, I'm going to kill you. So Goku says I have

one hand left. And in one of the most epic moments in the series,

he shoots a command may high into the ground, propelling him

forward and launching him through the body of King Piccolo

killing King Piccolo on contact. I see that that's what they were

trying to do. However, they break the laws of physics to

have a wave of energy propel you forward

no

doubt just if he turned his hands towards the ground it

would have been fine what why didn't anybody make it this gave

a shit why

you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure

this out. Just looking at it you could tell that is all given the

fact that the entire time that they explain it, it's one is

treated as air bending. So if I put air in front of me I should

be unaffected by said air. However if I put air behind me

get your minds out the gutter whoever's listening fart joke

but if I put air behind me I should be able to move myself

forward so yes, like this was a weird take on the move. It was

also a weird take that basically all that ends up happening is

that pink King Piccolo basically just gets knocked out. And as

everybody is recovering my was also taken out. I think she was

shot in the back by Yamcha at one point.

Yeah. Guys, guys.

This is when they all crowd around the lifeless

body of Roshi. And I think Jamar Ballmer was like, Man, I wish we

could do something here. And it's like, oh, wish and this is

when we get the most cringe worthy summoning. Oh Shenron

I've seen fun fact about this. I think that Christmas or

Christopher Saba, who is typically the voice of fajita

was supposed to be on The voice of, of Shenron I believe in this

film. And they

Yeah, I honestly, I don't think any. If anyone had seen

this beforehand, I think they would have respected that would

have been like a actually. You can take the check back. I'm

dead like, I don't want to do this.

Yeah, so I'm sure Ron brings Roshi back to life.

surprising that in typical Dragon Ball fashion, they just

wish for everybody to come back to life like grandpa Gohan.

And

I mean also that whole entire village that

piccolo kind of destroyed

my village.

So now they're celebrating Bulma does see

though, like in typical Dragon Ball fashion that all the Dragon

Balls of scattered Roshi comes back, he's like very upset that

he was drawn back from heaven. Mainly because grandpa Gohan

told him that he has to go back to Earth because he has much

more to teach Goku. And we don't see any of that training.

Because we see that Goku has decided to just join into a

fight where he meets up with Chi Chi, apologizes for kicking her

in the face and knocking her unconscious when he didn't know

if it was Chi Chi or Mei. And the two of them just enter into

a sparring match, ending the movie with just one little

credit scene.

Live little, because this post credit scene was

approximately 17 hours. In this post credit scene, we see a

woman walk in at real time with a cup of tea to an unknown

person, and they slowly turn around. And the unknown person

is revealed to be Piccolo. No. That's all I'm gonna say about

that. No, that's the end of the we've made it. We I think we've

made it pretty obvious that none of this is accurate. I think

we've made it pretty clear the way they remix elements about

the only thing that's accurate, I think. Is that the seven

Dragonballs Sherman Shenlong I think that's the only thing they

got, right? Yeah, I don't think they got anything else right.

I mean, we got to tell you a little bit about the

original. So in today's manga knowledge, I'm not gonna go over

the whole entire history of Dragonball from like the actual

book and writings and chapters that Akira Toriyama has put

together. But I'm gonna give more of a less for what was

happening in the anime. Some things do differ, but it's not

too drastic of a difference. Honestly, it actually some of

the anime actually added a bit more context to certain things

which showed more things. Just starting off, let's level set

with Dragon Ball first being inspired by the 16th century

Chinese novel Journey to the West. And this also combined

some elements of like Hong Hong Kong martial arts films. So this

whole entire story of Dragon Ball deck territory I'm gonna

put together is basically a retelling almost a love letter

to the story of the Monkey King. In fact, a lot of the attributes

of the Monkey King the comical take on him the use of the stick

that we I don't think it's ever actually shown.

No, it isn't. He uses the sword. Sword. Ah, what this is.

So yeah, a lot of it is inspired by the Monkey King

storytelling. The series was created in 1984. So this now is

celebrating its 40 year anniversary. And the initial

manga of Dragon Ball was written and illustrated and was

serialized in a Weekly Shonen Jump from 1984 to 95. With just

under about 200 individual chapters, and since then, it has

grown and doubled that number in expanded storytelling and sequel

series as we travel along and learn about Goku and his grow

from child to man, understanding the ways of the world, but

always making sure that you know, everybody could get it

because his hands are easy for everyone. Mm hmm. In the

original Dragon Ball series, I'm assuming that this movie tried

to adapt. And it's a weird fusion. This is like the fusion

dance where they just basically their their fingers just like

kind of touched on top of each other versus connecting quite in

the middle as you're not really supposed to. Between the first

saga arc of Dragon Ball which is the Emperor pilaf arc and then

the penultimate, eighth saga arc of Dragon Ball to King Piccolo

art. So in the first one, this is chapters one through 23

episodes one through 13 For people like ourselves who are

growing up watching this. This serves as a lot of the

introduction to our characters today. But obviously there were

some very, very drastic changes that were taken. In the original

story. As you mentioned, Goku never went to school. He was

trained by his grandpa when he was younger, he was found by his

grandpa. None of the stronger connection to zaru and all this,

but he did notice that he did have a tail. That was the big

thing about Goku like we are first introduced to him peeing,

fully naked into a pond. And this is the thing that shows

that like Goku isn't who we thought, is it just a normal

child. But we did learn from his grandfather that he told him to

never look at a full moon and never really told Goku why No,

that's a full moon. Not a solar eclipse not supposed to look at

that one either. But Full Moon comes up more regularly. His

grandfather died before and this whole thing about his

grandfather dying this happen a long time before any of the

events as compared to the movie here. It's not just a his

grandfather died. He meets Ballmer the very next day, Goku

was like surviving on his own for quite some time. And it's

treating the Dragon Ball that he's in possession of as his

grandfather because it's what his grandfather wore on his head

as a hat part of like a hat when he was first trained by him and

when Ballmer comes around this is when she starts introducing

the idea of like, trying to find dragon balls because they're

like, a sense of energy and whatnot. They could grant you

wishes was her wishes to find a hot boyfriend. Um, and I can see

why he probably took that one now.

Yeah, it's it's funny, because you know, they try to

give her a legitimate reason to look for the Dragon Balls

infinite energy. But again, with with the no one seems to be

suffering from not having infinite energy. So it doesn't

work. We can tell it you least in the manga, Bulma is suffering

from not having a boyfriend. We get it. She's thirsty. She has a

problem that needs to be solved, but here it's not not apparent

at all, ya know.

And speaking of that, thirstiness we do know

that BOMA tries to entice Goku into giving her the Dragon Ball

by saying I'll give you a peek of my underwear. I think it was

Dragon Ball was a little sexual yell. So we're gonna pass by

that. We also meet up with Bianca, who's not necessarily

treated as much as the con artist that we saw here. One of

the biggest differences is that he does have the help of

anthropomorphic shapeshifting cat which I'm kind of shocked

that no one thought about incorporating since they have so

much use of CGI in this film, which would have been way better

to include versus the fake demons that King Piccolo had

which looked nothing like stuff on the show. Um, there is also a

love interest between the two of them. Obviously they live

happily ever after. No I'm joking. She ends up getting with

Vegito Master Roshi was a bit more of a perv in the in the

original story thing was here. I think they they did intend it

with like him having what I'm assuming was like their version

of a Sports Illustrated magazine. But I did find it

weird when it's so weird for me to say this. I found it. Unlike

him when he caught Ballmer as they fell into the into the

hole. And he immediately dropped her because he was just like,

Oh, no bad touch. And I was like, what?

Yeah, another problem. bomas age has never established

in this movie. Yeah. In the original. She's 1618. Roughly.

Goku is about 10. But yeah, we don't actually know how old she

is at all in this movie. So the great that Meszaros she is

learning to respect women, but he also hits on her very

briefly. I don't know how old she is. Yeah, hopefully 18 Um,

but yeah, that's a good point. They only Goku has

an actual heat in this film. But um, yeah, yeah. Um, but

ultimately, the first saga does end with them facing off against

Emperor pilaf, who actually not really facing off against

Emperor pilaf because Emperor pilaf traps them. And this is

like, Hey, we're going to have the sun kill y'all. But

actually, what ends up happening is that night is a full moon and

this is when our group here of Yamato, BOMA and the others that

they have picked up along the way. See Goku transform into the

Great Ape for the first time and they realized that the only way

that they can save him was by one by cutting off his tail. So

when Goku reverts back to his normal self, this is when the

group deduce that it was probably Goku, who accidentally

killed his own grandfather. And out of respect for his

friendship and not trying to torment this child, they were

like, we're not going to tell him the truth, which is the

first arc of Dragon Ball which makes sense. Totally makes

sense. Like the transformations all that kind of stuff. It's so

wild and out there, but it makes sense. In between, we get some

more stuff like we get introduced to go because best

friend Crillon, Goku takes on an army the Red Ribbon army.

There's also some level of like Cobra cry that comes out of it

because Goku joins in in a tournament as well. He joins in

several tournaments throughout the throughout this arc this

show. He faces off against a disguise version of Master

Roshi. He also faces off against a master Oh, she's like rival in

a sense, who also has his own students. So we get through

Cobra Kai storytelling where he needs TN and Chinatsu. But

again, they become friends in the end. And then after this arc

is when we get the King Piccolo arc which is basically chapters

135 and 161. Episodes 1021 22 that took place 1987 to 98. This

is here when we get the full introduction to Piccolo. Not the

one that we love the African American who has raised go on.

So in this Yes, Greatfather and D.

This saga starts off with like right after that

tournament where Goku has fought against tn. They're celebrating

there and they're just grabbing some dinner to eat, but Goku

realizes that he forgot his staff over at the tournament. So

Crillon, being the good friend was to say, Hey, I'm gonna go

grab it. I'm gonna be right back, don't worry. But the

entire time Goku is a little bit nervous. Like he's on edge. It's

like, why is it taking Crillon so long? So when he went when he

goes to investigate, he comes up to the stage and finds Crillon

dead on the floor.

This is when we learned that King Piccolo is the

person responsible for this. He was released by Emperor pilaf,

who, although is not in the movie, Emperor pilaf has

associates, one of which named my who is our character in the

film today. And I can see what they were trying to do with

introducing this connection of how Emperor pilaf was the one

that released Piccolo, but they never explicitly said that my

was the one that released him. I'm assuming that was the case.

That also I also don't understand why is it that she

was the one that ended up being teamed up with Piccolo? It's

really weird in this,

she has no incentive to do this. Right?

There's there's no to be here. Like, are you from

another planet? Do you want it? It would have honestly been more

of a shocker if she was bizarre.

Yeah, that would have been cool or you know, made some

kind of sense. But she just there originally, like they just

say peel off. He just wants to like an island to rule. You

know, it's a reciprocal relationship. And here it's

nothing just evilness of our heart I guess.

Oh, and speaking of wishes, I'm not only to speak

little ones like world domination, all that but most

importantly, his wish for the Dragon Balls is to have a

younger body. I think I appreciate this a lot. It's

actually a joke that I don't know if it's a joke, but I do

think it does come up a couple more times in the future where

in future storytelling with almost like she wants to Dragon

Balls to make herself look. Five minutes, some like five minutes

or so five months younger. So very subtle

beauty changes that she made. She just abuses the Dragon

Ball for her beauty treatments.

So piccolo wants it to be younger so that he can

continue on his battle. We do get the sense of like, we do get

a story that piccolo did face off against Master Roshi, his

teacher and master was Master Roshi. His teacher was the one

that did evil containment way for the mafia boss has called

to bring to trap Piccolo and I believe in the I

believe was in the rice cooker. Was that the first time or the

second?

Yes, so they it was a nice jar the first time the

second time they had access to a rice cooker. Yeah, and because

that one that story was well structured on the way to the

battle. The rice cooker is damage and the mafia Bob becomes

impossible to pull off because there's a crack and the rice

cooker. You know, it's a caution if that happens to your real

rice cooker fix it. So that's when Roshi can no longer pull it

off successfully.

So Roshi He does end up sacrificing his life

unfortunately in this effort since people are being killed

left and right, Goku does get some training. There's an

introduction of of the Senzu Bean which again should have

been brought up in this film and easily done. Um, but during this

time Goku sigh I've been training hard enough I'm ready

to take on Piccolo. And he does as we mentioned in the original

ending of this arc of Dragon Ball, Goku ends up in this fight

with King Piccolo. It leads to him getting his both his legs

and an arm broken. So Goku uses his last arm to propel himself

using a command Romeo wave because he's just like in in a

way that in terms of character development storytelling, he has

a reason to kill King Piccolo King Piccolo has killed every

single one of his friends and loved ones. Versus the guy who

killed his grandfather and his grandfather is never discussed

again. At King Piccolo in the film is never taken accountable

for that crime. And it ends with Goku instead of giving a

headbutt to Piccolo, he actually shoots himself through the

entire body of King Piccolo. And for a quick explanation about

this. Picking Piccolo is the evil essence of the Meccan

guardian of the Earth, Kami. Kami, in order to take on this

role had to expel all this evil essence. And this is what turned

they became the embodiment of King Piccolo. And they can

regenerate. We saw it in the we never saw it in the film. I

don't know why they never even tried to experiment with that.

But in the original story, he can regenerate. But because Goku

took out organs This is why he can't regenerate and the fact

that he does kill King Piccolo, but not before King piccolos

shoots out an egg. I know that sounds weird, but like bear with

us. It does work in this world. He shoots out an egg from his

body. And this egg contains his child which will now be piccolo

Jr. Which will then end up being the villain in the final arc of

Dragon Ball and eventually become the African American that

we know and love once again to take care of gold Goku Son Gohan

Piccolo is black we're gonna say it out loud for the crowd

Yeah, they these these the black is character and

Dragon Ball. Yeah, there are no other ones there

are no other ones at all.

Um, yeah, that's how basically the Dragon Ball King

Piccolo saga does and everybody gets wished back alive.

Including one side little story about this little the father of

this little indigenous boy

it's it's kind of wild just watch it is it has

some connection to the sense of beans. So if you if you have

seen Dragonball as its yet, I mean, if you're watching a bunch

of anime already, because honestly is taking over a lot of

our spaces. And we're all enjoying the stories that are

being told from it. So if you haven't checked out Dragon Ball

already do so I'm pretty sure that you have somebody out there

has like a older brother or sister sibling cuts anything

they are, they have definitely watched Dragon Ball. There's so

many ways in which like, I feel like Dragon Ball has like, taken

over and really got brought into our culture, especially for

bipoc individuals. I feel like we use the word brolic in

association with broden. That's my own personal belief.

No, it's 100% True. We definitely said that. And I have

no other explanation. But yeah,

that's the full on story of Dragon Ball, at least

the story that they were trying to tell in this film that just

didn't quite have the proper fusion. This is where we got fat

Gotenks I'm assuming?

Yeah, just a mess. Just a mess on all accounts. Um,

normally, this is where I could pull on some behind the scenes

insights about what went wrong here. Not much, except Hollywood

just being dumb. Just originally in the 90s Jackie Chan wanted to

play Goku, and he was down for it. But he also believed that no

budget existed that could probably do a justice. And

Jackie Chan knows this stuff. Once funny, a century got the

live action rights to make it. They tried to make it with

Stephen Chow of conquerable hustle fame, the director. And

he ultimately was like, I'm just gonna produce. I'm not gonna

direct this. They offered Robert Rodriguez and Zack Snyder. Oh,

God, the Dragon Ball opportunities And they both

passed. The writer wrote a draft that was deemed too expensive.

So six more drafts of the script were written. And we got what we

got a lot on the movie was shot in an abandoned jeans factory.

I just I

love that fact about this. And last but certainly not

least, Akira Toriyama offered numerous times during the

process to help iron elements out to streamline to help in any

way, he did caution them that the path they were going on was

so far away from Dragon Ball, but they did not heed his

advice. So you got what you got? We get where we get and we can

get upset because it barely resembles anything. Dragon Ball.

So with all that in mind, this is going to be a nail biter. Is

this a caper? Caffrey this

thing got more of a cat than piccolo has during the

the intro to the to the Future Trunks Android. Yeah, this is I

was really, you know, I was kind of hoping for this one. I mean,

I know that has always been considered one of the worst

films to be ever produced of all time. But again, like all these

movies that we're going through for caper capital, hoping that

maybe there is some kind of diamond in this rough exterior

of this film. Fortunately, it just couldn't find one here. And

I'm not just coming at it as saying that like it was totally

inaccurate to what it was like a lot of my claims, word of the

inaccuracy compared to what is the original storytelling, but

it just feels like a lot of the storytelling just didn't work

out here. Even if you just change the characters or had a

different kind of mindset. The main issues that saw with the

film were like, character utilization like chichi,

honestly, as you're hearing chichi explain her story. She

basically has the same thing as Goku. But she doesn't. They

don't provide any of the context for her. So and she basically

disappears about halfway through the film. Once she gets knocked

out. We never really see her again. And granted, she's not

supposed to be for the final fight. But then it's like, she

pops up randomly throughout the film, and it almost feels it's

like, are y'all following chichi? Or does she just

happened to be gravitating towards these moments like, it

doesn't get properly explained. The other thing too, is like the

bullied Fuller and his boys like, it feels like they were

just introduced to fight Goku so that they can show us that Goku

can fight. Which honestly, was already explained when you're

showing him doing all these kinds of trainings. Like he

could have stumbled he could have fallen. But at the end of

the day, he has the knowledge in his back of his mind to be like,

hey, I can I can still at least throw a punch really? Well. If

that was the case, that's it. Like you didn't need to include

Goku trying to fight off against these guys. And then because

like basically when he fights against his grandfather, it's a

great enough fight. That's just like he doesn't technically

lose, but he just loses because he was tricked. And for his

battle of Master Roshi. Yeah, it's like significantly done

better honestly better than his fight with Fuller and his guys,

because at the end of it, we actually do see that Goku is

showing off a full extent of his full capabilities we see high

increased speed increased strength, the ability to use key

wind gust, even though he uses it on Bama instead of actually

hitting his target, which is another characterization of Goku

I did not like because Goku tends to always try to make sure

to fight when not too many people are around, or even when

anybody's around to always try to move the fight to an area

where there's the least amount of like structural damage. So,

um, so yeah, I think there's just like, it feels like a lot

of characters were introduced for the sake of name or to try

to pull some story along but just doesn't work. The other

thing I had an issue with was the special effects. I'm kind of

glad you brought up Zack Snyder because it was like, there's so

many random uses of slomo which I'm starting to realize I'm

starting to hate because everybody uses slomo to show a

character doing something cool, where it's like you could easily

take that money and put it into something better. Because like

the other thing that just the thing that like I brought it up

with like Tobey Maguire Spider Man One dodging the flash just

punch. That's a slow mo shot, but you're seeing him

recognizing his increased speed in that moment versus Goku does

a flip to dodge to people trying to hit him with crowbars,

whereas like we could have easily just kept that at normal

speed and just shown the impact of the hit and save some money,

put it into creating some more characters. And the last thing

that's just really upset me was the storytelling. I feel like we

had no motivation for piccolo to be on this like, I'm going to

destroy Earth and there it's explained so much more explains

who frees them explains why he's doing this. Here's just like, He

came to earth and just wanting to destroy things with his with

his with Fusaro. And the two of them are doing terrible things.

And that's just it. As you're watching this film, honestly, I

was thinking about this. Like, they basically want this to give

wanting to give the great Sandman arc story and give it to

Goku. But it just doesn't work. When you think about how those

two characters are just so different. Goku was Gohan.

Chichi is Fidel, like, even like, the whole entire story is

just trying to get us to feel like Goku is exactly like Gohan.

And that's never been the case we've just been talking about

through the stories. It's like there's they're different in

their own ways. In fact, Gohan supposed to be stronger. So I

really wish that what they would have done is just tell us a

Gohan story if they really wanted to give us these

elements, because that's what of what would have made more sense,

especially if you're like, coming right off of the height

of Dragonball Z. These are the things that people are going to

recognize No, I mean, people want to see Goku fight. But

like, you could have just put the great Sandman arc in the

film at a point where like superhero movies are being

pooped out left and right. And we would have been totally okay

with that. But yeah, I guess I do have to end on one positive

note about this film. I mean, supposed to, it's my I had to I

had to include it because I felt bad about going but so much on

this hair and makeup of Piccolo is so great. I'm surprised I

didn't realize it was James Marsters who was playing this

man all these years. So

I want to ask her could have been a Suicide Squad, you

know?

But what about you cape or calf? Calf?

I mean, come on. I mean, this is I you know, going into

this, I tried to look at it. What if this is just a movie?

What if this is not an adaptation of one of the most

famous anime fiction stories of all time? Even taking the legacy

of Dragon Ball away, this movie fails at everything it tries.

None of the characters are really that likable. Chi Chi is

just there. As a function to plot BOMA is just there as a

plot. Yantra is a joke, but he doesn't really have anything

else going on with him. All the characters feel paper thin. It's

a movie about fighting. But there are no good fight scenes

in this movie. Just there's nothing like you. We can say a

lot of stuff. But Dark Phoenix had some really impressive

action scenes. Before that Suicide Squad. There was some

fun fight choreography, especially with Harley Quinn. So

it just the fact that we can get one good fight out of this movie

is crazy. In a series. It's about fighting. It's about

fighting guys. You could have taken panel from panel and just

recreated any one of the fights from Dragon Ball and I would

have said Okay, great. But the fighting is terrible. Plot is

incoherent. There's no fixes. There's no band aids you can put

on this. This movie is this version of the script. Dead on

arrival. I don't know what happened in between those six

drafts. I imagine it must have been hell to keep going back and

back. But there were two they tried to do too much. And also

not enough. It just chichi should not have been here at

all. Just to make room and give enough characters. Enough time

for the characters to really flush out. More BOMA were Roshi

more Yantra more Gohan if you're going to Uncle Ben him. Yeah,

there's really nothing about this movie I liked. I can't even

recommend it as a joke. It. It just is not good. Just not good.

And I am sorry. I'm sorry. On behalf of everyone. Yeah, I'm

sorry. This one, not the worst thing we've seen on this on this

particular podcast. But certainly, if I were ranking the

movies we've seen so far. This would be not below the bar but

this would be in hell

yeah, it's a it's a shame. But the good things about

this is that since this movie has come out many of the people

who are involved have apologized especially as of most recent

apology came from star who played Goku, who upon the death

of Akira Toriyama did put out a post and Justin Chatwin stated

that he's very appreciative of what Akira Toriyama has put

together it has created has honestly created a story that

for generations, this is just in captured us. And we love so

much. And actually, and then followed up with an apology for

what he did to his work. So I do appreciate the fact that the

people who are involved are recognizing that they did do a

little bit of hurt here. And I'm hoping that this is just a sign

that like, and I think it was, I think it really truly was

because I think that we're only four years into 2020, the 2020s.

But since then, I feel like we've been getting some great

adaptations of anime storytelling in the more on the

west side. Especially when it's less like this is worlds these

are worlds being created almost nonstop.

And people are loving them. So it's good to see

that when mistakes are happening. People are apologize

for apologizing for it. And knowing that like there are

opportunities to continue making sure that there isn't another

Dragon Ball evolution, there isn't another Avatar The Last

Airbender from mi Similan, or how the how the propelled him in

that movie, I was, like, all I

know, again, we're not doing it.

So when you hear about these movies that are now

getting opportunities to still hopefully be forgotten, by time,

you know, still have it that they're continuing on with

greater stories, greater things like Dragon Ball still going on.

There's still some stories that they're wrapping up or putting

together and there's still going to be movie shows that you can

always look back on and watch all of this stuff, to relive it

from your younger ages to share it with a friend sharing it with

the next generation, you know, is the point where I was just

like we have big threes and everything. And that's always

going to be a story that helped changed the world of like, the

kind of media that we're going to be absorbing in the future.

So thank you, Akira Toriyama, for everything that you have

done, to create the stories that we all know and love and

creating these characters that we just connect with and

sometimes even try to channel in our everyday lives.

Yeah, and I'm glad that this movie did not dampen the

enthusiasm for the series spirit and when Akira returned to IT

people were so willing to embrace it, put the past behind

and go on. So you know we definitely Oh, Dragon Ball a

lot. We definitely risk all respect to care. Toriyama may

someone never need to see your work again.

All right, with that we're gonna wrap up our episode.

Join us next week for the last episode within our bonus season

of caper cap as we cover something that has honestly have

been asked of us for quite some time. You've heard our disdain

about this film. We're jumping right back into the animated

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