Today, Savannah and Jeremiah delve into the sensitive topic of early miscarriages, specifically focusing on the experiences and emotional challenges that arise during the first twelve weeks of pregnancy. Savannah emphasizes the importance of understanding how to support those going through a miscarriage, whether you have experienced one yourself or not. The episode also discusses helpful herbal remedies and the concept of G.R.A.C.E—grieving with God, resting in Jesus, accepting the Lord's providence, finding comfort from the Creator, and embracing holy hope. Throughout their conversation, they share personal stories and insights, aimed at providing both comfort and practical advice for listeners facing similar struggles. This heartfelt discussion highlights the need for community support and spiritual healing during times of loss and grief.

Takeaways:

• The podcast emphasizes the importance of understanding early miscarriages and their emotional impact.
• Listeners are encouraged to support those going through miscarriages with love and empathy.
• NAD boosters are discussed as an expensive and not easily accessible option for health.
• Savannah shares herbal remedies that can provide relief during and after a miscarriage.
• The hosts highlight the spiritual journey of grieving and resting in God's presence.
• The episode clarifies that grief is a natural response to loss and should be honored.

Navigating the emotional terrain of early miscarriages, this podcast episode offers a heartfelt exploration of grief and healing. Savannah, a holistic health practitioner, and her co-host Jeremiah, draw from their own experiences to discuss the complexities surrounding miscarriages that occur within the first twelve weeks of pregnancy. They delve into the emotional impact of such losses, emphasizing the importance of compassion and understanding not only for those who have experienced miscarriage but also for those who want to support them. Savannah encourages listeners to learn how to be present for others during their times of grief, highlighting the need for open conversations about loss in our communities.

The hosts also provide valuable insights into practical healing methods, discussing the role of herbs and natural remedies that can aid in the recovery process. Savannah shares her expertise on various supportive herbs, focusing on their benefits for both physical and emotional healing. The acronym 'GRACE' serves as a central theme throughout the episode, offering a structured approach to coping with loss: grieving with God, resting in Jesus, accepting the Lord’s providence, finding comfort in the Creator, and embracing holy hope. This framework not only guides listeners through their grief but also reinforces the significance of faith as a source of strength and restoration.

In a thoughtful shift, the episode explores the topic of NAD boosters, addressing the current health trends that have captivated public attention, particularly among celebrities. Savannah explains the science behind these boosters, their claims, and the realities of accessing them, providing a critical perspective on the health and wellness industry. She emphasizes the distinction between effective treatments and mere marketing tactics, urging listeners to be discerning consumers of health information. This segment ties back to the overarching themes of the podcast, advocating for a holistic approach to health that incorporates spiritual, emotional, and physical well-being.

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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to casting seeds.

I'm Savannah, your holistic health practitioner and host.

Jeremiah, your co host.

I have none of those titles.

You have great titles.

And you're listening to the only holistic health podcast that uses God's singular truth to give you individualized discernment.

Today we are talking about early miscarriages, specifically within the weeks of first 1st week to twelve weeks, because that's an early miscarriage.

And we also are having a news update, da da da da, pranking news about NaD boosters, which that will come in just a moment.

But I don't want you guys to feel like if you've had later miscarriages or have pregnancy currently where you have a healthy pregnancy, that you shouldn't listen to this.

Because if you are listening to this and you have not ever had a miscarriage, it would be very, very wise to know how to love on someone during a miscarriage.

Also, at the end, when I give the acronym of Grace on how to heal through a miscarriage, this also helps immensely through anyone who has any type of grief.

And the herbs that I will be giving are amazing for postpartum benefits because they do help with being able to go into labor even in the third trimester and postpartum.

So there are beneficial things for this episode, for everyone and anyone in between.

And currently, I have a couple of friends right now going through a miscarriage.

So it just felt like a good time to give some wisdom as to things that we did, how we leaned on the Lord, our community, and ultimately each other.

Right?

Yeah.

Okay, so let's head into the news break.

Hello, everyone, and welcome to this segment of nourishing news under the Casting Seeds podcast.

I am Savannah.

And I am your.

I don't know how to.

What are they called?

I'm your anchor.

That's what it is.

So today we're talking about nad boosters.

What are they?

Why are all the celebrities doing them and how can I get them?

Well, NAD boosters, first and foremost, are supplements or compounds that help increase the levels of NAD enzymes in the body.

So I am going to butcher so many different names, and this is what Nad stands for.

Nicotinamide adenotide.

Yeah, densalutide.

I got that.

Just nad.

That's all you need to know.

And it's the plus sign.

That's what it is.

In the body, NaD is a coenzyme found in all living cells, so it's essential for energy production, DNA repair, and maintaining overall cellular health.

As we age, NAD levels naturally decline, which is linked to aging in general, various age related diseases.

So boosting NAD is believed to help improve cellular function, promote healthy living, and increase energy.

So you can see kind of why all of the celebrities are obsessed with doing them.

But here's the thing.

A lot of celebrities do them just because they can.

They do them multiple times a month, and each session can last hours long, and it's unnecessary to do it that often.

I think if you were really rich and you could do it twice a month would be, like, insane, though I don't think it would be necessary.

I think once every few months would be totally fine.

But getting NaD boosters, which many people, you guys are all gonna be asking, well, how do I get this amazing anti aging drug?

It's one, it's not a drug.

Two, the best and most effective way for you to take this is Niv.

And I'm going to explain why.

Cause I'm going to go through all the different types of Nad.

Cause there's different kinds, and it's all kind of put all together.

And the best way for it to hit you in the blood brain barrier and go straight into your blood, where it can be used directly into cells, is through IV.

So IV is going to be more expensive.

It's not going to be covered by insurance, which then makes it more expensive because it's an invasive way of getting it.

And then on top of that, these are also expensive in general, so these aren't easily obtainable.

Normally, you have to go to a doctor's office to get them, and it's just not the easiest thing to get, especially because now it's in high in demand.

So my big thing when it comes to NaD is it's definitely not for the everyday person.

It is definitely a high performance coenzyme.

So it's something that's going to cost a lot of money, and it's definitely for the rich.

This is not something that is for the everyday lad or lass.

And I know that people who basically are Instagram famous, who are TikTok famous, who are celebrities, are the ones who are pushing for people to get it.

And I think it's horrible.

Not for your body, but I think it's lame that they're basically making people feel bad that they can't afford to get something like this, or they then promote for people to take it in, in pill form, where pill form, half of it, more than half, is going to be broken down by the digestive juices in your stomach, not to mention the enzymes in your large intestine and small intestine.

So you are throwing away money when you take it orally.

It is not recommended for you to take orally.

I'm going to talk about the different types of NAD boosters before you get into this next episode.

But these are the boosters.

This is everything that you should be getting in an IV if you are going to do Nad plus boosters.

So the first one is a precursor.

It's Nico.

I don't even know if I should try.

I don't know if I should even try reading these, but I'm going to try.

Nicotinamide is the first one.

Riboside?

Yeah.

Nr.

Okay.

It's a precursor to NAD, meaning it can be converted into Nad once it's inside of the body.

So this is the first one of the first iv's that you get.

Research suggest that it helps the NAD levels immensely, like up to 50%, and it gives energy for the metabolism and supports healthy aging.

The next one is nicotinamide monoculeide.

That wasn't too bad.

It's n as in Nancy M as in mouse, n as in nancy Nmn.

It's another nad precursor that you have to convert nad into cells.

The next one is nicotinamide Nam.

This is also known as nicotinamide plus.

This is a form of vitamin B three that increases the NAd levels as a booster.

So this is the actual booster part of Nad booster nic.

Niacin.

That's what it is.

Niacinic acid.

This is a form of vitamin B three that can convert into NAD as well.

So it's not the boosters, but this just can convert into Naddemen.

This actually has been used for decades to improve cardiovascular health and increase NAD levels.

However, it can also cause the niacin flush, which is a temporary warming and redness of the skin.

So like when people get the meat sweats, that's where it comes from, because it's found in most meats, fish and nuts.

So high protein diet.

Next is pyophenols.

So these are found in plants like grapes and berries, especially darkberries.

So when people talk about high levels of antioxidants, this is what they're talking about, polyphenols.

So this specifically does not direct NAD precursors in any way, shape or form, but polyphenols activate the.

Activate the enzymes that are called sirtuins that depend on NAD.

So this part, the polyphenol, basically allows the NAD to be able to become an antioxidant.

That's what creates antioxidants.

Whenever you've heard about antioxidants and anti aging.

This is a mixture of nad and polyphenols.

This is what it all has to do with.

So last but not least, because there's so many other things that have to do with NAD, but these are the general.

This is what you really need to know.

So the coq ten that people talk about, it's an ampigenin.

Ampigenin.

It's so ap I g e n I n.

So these are natural flavonoids found in fruits and vegetables.

These compounds can help inhibit any enzyme called ACD 38, which depletes NAD levels.

It's basically think about something that causes high inflammation.

A cd 38 is a high inflammation in your body, and an NAD helps preserve the body.

So this in particular helps preserve more NAD and inhibits the CD 38.

So it's basically an anti inflammatory.

Does that make sense?

So that you can create more naD?

So you can see that if you had all of these in a pill, it would not be able to make.

Not all of it, because some of them are enzymes, and enzymes can get destroyed through your gut or through your small intestine, large intestine.

Not all of these would be able to make it through.

And you have to be able to take them in a specific order.

Some of them are precursors, some of them you take after, and then some of them you do at the very end.

So because of that, you have to do.

You have to be able to do the iv drips and it can take multiple hours to do as well.

So it's time consuming, it's expensive, and on top of all of that, it's not going to be covered by any insurance.

And it's kind of an elitist thing.

I'm not going to lie, but I.

It's not saying that you can't do this once or twice a year to save up for it.

It will vary in price depending on where you are in your area.

And I don't want to discourage anyone from not trying it or saving up for it, because if you can do it, absolutely go get it.

Especially if you have a loved one that is doing cancer treatments or anyone with high inflammation or just past dietary issues.

This would be amazing for them.

Ultimately, I don't want you guys to be discouraged when you hear you influencers basically explaining why they are able to do really cool and expensive things and you aren't.

I just want you guys to know that there are certain ways to do it, and I don't want you to be gypped if people are telling you well, it's okay.

You can just buy the pill form.

Never buy a pill form of NAD boosters.

You should always get an iv.

I want you guys to feel educated and feel like when you go in and go on social media or listen to things on the news, that you know where this information is coming from, how it can truly benefit you and how it can truly harm you.

I don't want this to harm you financially in any way, shape or form.

And I don't want it to be anything that you lust after or yearn after, especially if it's something that you cannot financially do.

Is it a great goal?

Yeah, sure.

But not everybody needs it.

And you could do this all just by naturally eating a really great healthy diet, having a great balance of fibrous fruits and vegetables, and having a good amount of protein.

So eating your weight in grams daily is one of the with protein is one of the best ways that you can help increase having an anti inflammatory diet.

Instead of having an inflammatory diet or lifestyle, obviously you also want to do movement and be in a less toxic environment as well in your day to day.

I hope you guys found this nourishing to your life, nourishing to your bodies, and I hope you enjoy the episode.

I wanted to give a prerequisite for this episode.

I do think that if you listen to the healthcare discernment episode first before this one, it would be immensely helpful for you so that you could understand how to get biblical discernment on healthcare in general through the Lord.

And if you want to do extra great homework, listening to our four episode biblical sex series that helps prepare for pregnancy and helps avoid miscarriages is also really wonderful.

Well, and Jeremiah and I put in a lot of work into those episodes, huh, honey?

It was a lot, a lot of research, but let's get into the early characteristics of miscarriage.

We're gonna get into some medical definitions and backgrounds for you guys, and then from there we're going to head into risk factors and then the herbal supplements and then how to take care of yourself during a miscarriage and how to be good partner during that as well.

So, my love, can you talk to us about some of the early characteristics of what a miscarriage is?

Characteristics of an early miscarriage?

This normally happens within the first twelve weeks of pregnancy, right?

So it's within the first trimester.

The first twelve weeks is the first trimester of pregnancy.

Common signs include vaginal bleeding ranging from light spotting to heavy bleeding.

I remember we experienced a lot of that.

Yeah, it was cramping, was intense.

Yeah, that's another one.

Um, and the passing of tissue, that was.

I think that was the most shocking.

Yeah, that was the most emotional.

Like, when.

That's when you really felt it.

Mm hmm.

And.

Well, not felt it, but, like, it was real.

Yeah.

That's when I felt the pushing.

So my first miscarriage, because we've had.

We had four in the first year of marriage.

We had zero in our second marriage.

Marriage.

Second year, you.

I married you again.

Apparently, in the second year of marriage, we had zero pregnancies and zero miscarriages because we were purposely trying to not get pregnant.

Yeah.

But, yeah, I felt a pressure and a pushing sensation that I had never felt before, especially in the first one.

So that was really scary because it felt like I was dying.

And it was actually during thanksgiving dinner that we were hosting here at our house, and half of my family had Covid, so they weren't there.

And all of our friends and Jeremiah's side of the family was here, and the poor man had to host all of Thanksgiving dinner with one of our best friends.

Actually, she was on here.

Erica.

Yeah.

Andrea.

Yeah.

How did you feel about that, me going through that in the bedroom by myself while you were out here?

You know, looking back, I.

I kind of hope the next time this happened, like, if it ever happens or we have any scenario that is, like, family emergency, because that was an emergency, and I just didn't realize it.

Yeah.

And we were praying that we were.

The baby was staying at that time.

We didn't know that day was.

Day was tough.

Thanksgiving.

We spent the morning in the ER and just watching and listening to what was going on there.

That was.

You feel helpless, you know, you don't know what's going on.

You don't know what questions you should be asking.

You don't know how to defend your wife because no one's ever talked to you about going to the ER and defending your wife.

Yeah.

And how to just protect your family and stuff.

How to be a healthcare advocate.

Yeah.

So that's one of the reasons why we started this podcast.

And, you know, feeling helpless, I think, is the wrong way to feel when.

When you're in these situations, because that's when you're supposed to be praying and you're relying on God, and, you know, he's.

He's gonna give you that grace.

He's gonna give you that love that is promised throughout the entire Bible.

And I think one of the hardest things, though, for me, that day was when you were sitting on that couch.

And I can see that you're in pain, and I'm hosting and serving, and not being able to take the pain away was hard.

Yeah, I think Jeremiah had a hard time when he saw I bled through my clothing onto the couch and even through, like, a pad as well.

And there were like, there was tissue in my clothes from the baby.

So things like that, that can actually be really traumatic that we just.

It's like, in the moment, I just had to go take myself and clean myself up.

And Jeremiah sweetly cleaned the couch and nobody noticed.

Yeah, I think people knew that there was.

I wasn't okay, and they knew about the miscarriage, but they didn't notice that I bled through my clothes, and that's why I had to go lay down.

Yeah, it was a blessing, though.

I actually.

I've going through that emotionally by myself and not knowing and understanding what my body was doing and feeling that pushing, feeling that you can't stop having that submission was super humbling.

And now I couldn't even imagine what that would be like pushing an eight pound, six ounce child through me.

So, yeah, I will say because I was fighting it, that is what hurt, made it hurt immensely more.

So I just wanted to say, when you start getting the cramping and the heavy bleeding, I normally suggest for clients to go take a hcg test, whether it's a blood test at the doctor, people can now do that through me, which is great, or they can also just pee on a pee stick.

And if it's really, really faint, or if it's not at all, then you're having a miscarriage.

If it's really faint, I suggest you go to the emergency room right away.

But normally, there isn't very much people can do unless they have, they say, like, it is salvageable.

We can give you progesterone and hcg.

So I don't know if it was salvageable for us.

We weren't given that option.

When we went to the hospital for our first miscarriage, they just said, your hcg levels are half the amount that they should be at eight weeks.

So that was really hard to hear.

And they just said, you know, just, you're gonna have to wait it out the next few days and see what happens.

And so we did, and we prayed, and I was resisting the pushing feeling, and I shouldn't have been resisting it, and that's what made it more painful and last a lot longer, and the cramping a lot worse.

Yeah.

But you didn't feel pregnant anymore, you said.

Yeah, a few days before, but I didn't know what that meant.

I didn't know.

Yeah.

I literally.

I was like, I just don't feel pregnant anymore.

That's weird.

Yeah.

Should we jump on to the next part of this?

Yes.

Causes.

Yeah.

For early miscarriages.

Early miscarriages are often caused by genetic abnormalities in the embryo.

Hormone imbalances, structural tissue.

I mean, structural issues with the uterus or underlining medical conditions in the mother or father.

Sperm.

Most early miscarriages are not preventable, unfortunately.

Yeah.

And we also.

We're going to say embryo a few times in here.

We're just using the term for embryo.

Embryo does mean baby.

We do mean a life, not some clump of tissue.

So we just want to make that very, very clear for medical terminology.

I'll just go over this really quickly.

A chemical pregnancy is very often known as a very early miscarriage.

So this is different than just an early miscarriage is a very early miscarriage, which is typically between fifth week or under of pregnancy.

It's often detected only by a pregnancy test, and it may even go unnoticed.

But in order for a.

For something to be deemed a chemical pregnancy, you do have to have a positive pregnancy test.

I know some people don't.

And they still, um, say that they have a chemical pregnancy, which is fine.

That's where discernment comes in.

But if you are going to a doctor, a doctor will not deem you having a chemical pregnancy unless you have had some sort of positive test, which you could do a blood test or an HCG test.

A blighted ovum occurs when a fertilized egg implants into the uterus, but does not develop into an embryo.

So you do have a fertilized egg, but it does not ever develop.

So this is a type of miscarriage.

This is why an HCG test is very important, because you will discover that you still have life inside of you if you do have implantation in any way, shape or form.

So a blighted ovum is different than a chemical pregnancy.

Either way, there is a loss of life.

But again, in order for you to really know if you've had a loss of life, an HCG test will confirm that.

So I just want to make that very clear.

If you do not have any hcg levels but you do have a blighted ovum.

I'm sorry, I guess it technically wouldn't be a blighted ovum, but if you have any type of implantation or feeling of implantation, you could have that, but you could have had an unfertilized egg try to implant, because things like that do happen as well.

So I just wanted to make that clear because I know that there can be a lot of confusion around that as well.

We're going to go into a little more of the medical background.

So, for fertilization and zygote formation, the sperm fertilizes the egg, creating the zygote.

The zygote contains genetic material from both mother and father, which will give and develop an entire pregnancy process, including the embryo and placenta.

So you can see if the egg and the sperm do not have full genetic DNA or if they are not healthy or they have, you know, lumps, cuts, bumps in any way, shape, or form, it will create an unhealthy zygote.

So early development is blastocyst stage.

After fertilization, the zygote divides into and develops into the blastocyst.

So it's like a ball.

The baby is now a ball of cells.

The blastocyst has two key parts.

The inner cell mass, which is a part that develops the embryo into the future baby.

And then the trophoblast, which is the outer layer of the cells that becomes the placenta.

There is a common misconception that people think that the tripoblast is where what the sperm makes.

It's not entirely true.

It's still half of the cells of the sperm and half the cells of the egg.

The sperm does nothing itself make the placenta, but it does give a lot of the DNA to create the placenta.

I hope that makes sense.

So, for the implantation part, the blastocyst.

Blastocyst implants into the walls of the uterus and the triphoblast cells, which come from the fertilized egg so they can have DNA from both parents, begin to grow from the early placental tissue.

These cells will develop into a full placenta, which attaches to the uterine wall and helps nourish the developing baby through the exchange of nutrients, gases, and waste products.

So with all of this, the placenta starts to develop and continues to grow through the pregnancy.

It forms the triphoblast cells of the cytoblast in maternal tissues and is responsible for maintaining a healthy environment for the growing baby.

I know this is a lot of information.

That's why I started laughing.

But basically, with all this being said, all of this happens, okay, within the first four to five weeks of pregnancy, which is amazing.

All of these stages.

And women know that each week a baby grows immensely.

That's why pregnancies are tracked by weeks and not tracked by months.

And I do find it.

That's why then when babies are born, they're tracked by months, not by weeks, because it tends to get a little bit slower.

And then as we age, we track ourselves by years.

Jeremiah, I would love for you to read the risk factors that I have written up for men and women on what causes more likely to have miscarriages.

So for women over the age of 35, they have a higher risk.

Yeah.

It's considered a geriatric pregnancy.

Isn't that crazy?

It is.

I'm surprised it's nothing changing because of, like, the lack of fertility in the world right now.

Yeah, it seems more like 25.

It's kind of crazy.

I think they should drop it down to, like, 30, probably.

Let's see.

For the men, sperm.

While the sperm doesn't directly create the placenta, it provides half of the genetic material that is crucial for the formation of the trophoblast.

Yeah, that guy.

That.

Anyway, we talked about it earlier.

Yeah.

Which eventually becomes the placenta.

The sperm's contribution is necessary for the creation of the blastocyst.

Blastocyst?

Blastocyst.

Literally something.

It's the subsequent development of the placenta.

So it does help with it, but it doesn't create it.

But that's why if the sperm is not healthy, and if you don't have healthy sperm, you could make it where your child is nutrient deficient for the rest of their pregnancy, it does end up like, it can create health defects along the way in pregnancy.

Gotta keep up those nutrients, men.

Yeah.

And keep that sugar away from you.

Having a history of miscarriages can slightly increase the risk.

This is due to muscle memory, gut health, diagnosis, and other things also that are just natural.

But ultimately, lifestyle creates miscarriages.

More often than not, lifestyles factors like stress, smoking, excessive alcohol, drug use, poor.

Diet, which is what your body does and doesn't digest well.

This can vary from, like, person to person, because a poor diet for someone may be like, they don't do well with milk, they don't do well with Wheatley, and then another person may thrive off of that diet.

Obesity is another big one.

And the reason why is because I think people don't like hearing this.

Because obesity is an epidemic in America.

And people try to beautify it as much as possible, but it really is a health risk.

At the end of the day, obesity, especially around your visceral and vital organs, makes it where they don't function properly, which means you're not going to have proper nutrients, blood flow, and ultimately it just causes a health risk for you and the baby.

So it can create a higher health risk.

So those lifestyle factors come into play immensely.

Any type of high inflammation in your body, which all those things Jeremiah just listed are high inflammation.

So how to take care of a miscarriage?

These are things that are going to help with relief during the miscarriage process.

We will get into the mental, emotional, physical and most importantly, the spiritual aspect at the end.

But these are.

And I want you guys to get your pens out.

This is the pen part of the episode.

These are going to be herbs that you can take.

So red raspberry leaf is like number one.

These are also, oh, I should say, these are also all herbs that I recommend to stay away from during pregnancy unless said otherwise.

And I will tell you, red raspberry leaf is rich in nutrients, but it's also known to help tone and calm the uterus.

It helps with cramping, so it also is really great for menstrual during your menstrual cycle to take it.

It calms down the cramping, but it also helps you push naturally.

So red raspberry leaf, it's also great for the end of your pregnancy.

Dong kuai, which again, I don't recommend it during pregnancy.

It's mostly used to help promote circulation around the uterus.

So again, it creates a lot of blood flow in that area.

You do not want to take this except for at the very end of your pregnancy when you're trying to deliver or if you are having a miscarriage.

And it's great for post miscarriage as well.

Shepherd's purse is known to help reduce heavy bleeding.

This herb is sometimes used to manage bleeding after a miscarriage.

So of course you should always go to a doctor.

But if you are having lots of heavy cramping and bleeding, Shepherd's purse is really, really wonderful to help calm everything down, even if you are excessively pushing.

So the next one is yarrow.

It's traditionally used to stop excessive bleeding as well, and it's also made to support wound healing.

It may be helpful in managing your bleeding after a miscarriage.

You would like for.

For Shepherd's purse and for yarrow, I'd recommend doing this on probably day three of miscarrying just to help kind of lighten the load.

Chamomile is another great herb.

I actually recommend it all throughout pregnancy, especially if you're vomiting.

I don't recommend it in high doses.

As for any type of herbal supplement, I don't recommend high doses, especially during pregnancy.

But chamomile is very gentle.

It's calming.

It's known as the mother herb in Latin.

It's often used to ease anxiety and promote relaxation for mental, emotional and physical trauma, and it helps soothe muscle cramps.

So in your digestive system and for any type of labor type of symptoms, it also is a central nervous system relaxant, so it completely calms the parasympathetic part of your nervous system.

The next is chast tree berry.

It's believed to help regulate hormones, particularly progesterone levels, which can help support reproductive health after miscarriage.

I would suggest taking this on day five after your miscarriage.

So technically they start that as day five of your menstrual cycle because it can help reregulate you again.

And I would take it for at least three months postpartum as well.

Cramp bark is another one not suggested during pregnancy, unless you would like to use it at the end of your pregnancy.

It helps relieve muscle spasms, cramping, especially in the uterus.

It can help ease physical discomfort as well post miscarriage or postpartum in any way, shape or form.

Of course, we want to avoid any type of self diagnosis herbs that can interact with medications or that can have unexpected health issues in any way.

We'd always recommend for you to consult your doctor or midwife or a licensed herbalist like me to be able to help you through these things.

And also, all of these things are not prevention tools.

These herbs do nothing support recovery fully after miscarriage.

They also should not and will not, could not ever be used to also abort a baby in any way, shape, or form.

And we just want to make it very clear that we would not support anything like that in any way.

Another one that's not on my list that I just remembered right now as well.

Time is actually really good for just general health purposes and helping your body kind of get back and regulate.

It's great for antiviral, antibacterial, and sitting in a bath in it.

You can do thyme, oregano.

They're just very heating herbs, so don't sit in it for very long, but it can help after you've miscarried.

I would do it about four days after to do a sits bath.

Is it thyme or thyme?

It's pronounced thyme, but makes no sense.

It's spelled thyme.

English.

Wow.

Okay, next we have grace, which Jeremiah is going.

We're going to kind of swap back and forth from g r a c.

E.

So the acronym for grace is g, grieving with God, r, for resting in Jesus.

A, accept the Lord's providence, c, creator gives comfort, and e, embrace holy hope.

We're gonna go over a lot of goodies.

Yeah.

So I'll take the very first one.

Okay.

All right.

So grieving with God.

How do you do that?

Jeremiah?

So you have to allow yourself to grieve biblically.

What that means is grieving is a natural response to loss for everybody.

And it's important to honor your feelings, but to also filter them through the truth of the biblical discernment.

Yeah.

After Lazarus died, Jesus went to the village of Bethany, where Lazarus was buried.

When Jesus saw Martha and the others mourning, weeping, he also wept.

Also recognizing that grief is a natural response to pain and loss.

There is nothing wrong with grieving.

Ever.

Ever.

Yeah.

Ecclesiastes, chapter seven, verse two, says it is better to go to the house of mourning than to go to the house of feasting, for this is the end of all mankind, and the living will lay it to heart.

So, yeah, this verse, it says a lot.

Grief is good because it just reminds you that life is short, life is ending, and really look at the perspective on life and what we're doing and who we're doing this for.

Yeah.

Who are we doing this for?

Yeah.

It reminds you that grief also can be temporary, too, right?

Yeah.

No.

You know, a lot of people go through different types of stress, and weeping may remain for a night, but we rejoice come the morning.

Psalms 30, verse five.

Yeah.

There is an end of mourning.

And grief has its purpose, but it also has its limits.

And God's here for.

For us to rest in him.

Yeah.

And that's why the next one is rest.

Yeah.

Honestly, I do.

I think people need to remember that there is a time and a place for mourning.

You have that season.

Don't ignore that season, because that's when it starts creeping up on you again and again.

And then that's what repeats.

Never ending cycle of grief.

Yeah.

And, you know, for.

I'm assuming it's married couples, wife, husband, that are listening to this and grieving together, communicating together.

That's.

That's where I felt like we kind of fell off.

Yeah.

A little bit.

Because no one taught us how to grieve together.

Yeah.

Savannah was grieving, and then I was grieving by myself and over different things.

Yeah.

And we didn't even know.

We were both grieving in different ways.

We just thought we were both mourning overdose, the same exact thing.

And without knowing, without communicating, we couldn't really help each other put God first in our life.

It was really difficult.

It was.

Especially four times in a row.

Well, we didn't make that mistake four times in a row.

No, but we got better each time.

The fact that we had to go through it four times in a row to get it, that was hard.

Yeah.

So let's get into our rest.

And Jesus physical and emotional rest are essential for healing.

And I say this over and over and over again in my practice, you have to give yourself permission to rest without guilt or pressure.

This means spiritual rest in Christ.

But then ultimately, especially as christians, I feel like everyone always asks, well, then how do we do that?

How do we spiritually rest in Christ?

Tell us, Savannah.

I will tell you.

Rest is defined as peace.

In the Bible, God rested on the 7th day.

In levitical law, we are required to rest.

And even land is to rest every seven years.

That's in Genesis two, two, three.

Exodus 28 through eleven.

Exodus 28 through eleven.

And Leviticus 25 four and eight.

Also Leviticus 25 812.

We do know in the Bible that God is very serious about rest.

He invites us, whoever we are, weary or burdened, to come to him and cast our cares on him.

So God asks us not just to give our hurts, but also our cares.

That's what Matthew 20 11 28, I'm sorry, is about.

And one Peter, five, seven.

Only in him do we find our complete rest from these cares, because the things that we care about are the things that we're going to have deep sorrows about.

Right?

And when the evils in this world come and they hurt us because our cares aren't being seen the way that we want them to be seen, that's when we as christians need to not learn to just have rest once a week, but understand that we have rest daily from the Lord.

He alone is holy and righteous.

Right.

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

That's two corinthians 521.

We can now ease our spiritual discomfort with spiritual comfort and rest in him not just one day a week, but always.

That's what's important.

So physical rest applies to this as well.

This doesn't mean that we can just, like, push through because we can rest in him always.

Also, ladies especially and gentlemen, it doesn't mean we just push through everything because we can rest in him spiritually and emotionally.

We need to use discernment on how to rest our bodies, especially as they labor through the pains and process of a miscarriage or through any.

I mean, any type of pain that we go through is laborsome.

It takes work.

Sometimes it's emotional.

Sometimes it's physical.

Sometimes it's spiritual.

Sometimes it's a combination of one or two or all three of those things.

But either way, if we really are not so that we can, like, sleep at night and not dwelling on every little negative thing, this is how we do it.

We understand where true rest comes from, and it's having that peace that surpasses all understanding from the Lord.

And that's why don't hesitate to write all this stuff down.

Get those verses and write out what grace is.

G R A c e.

Grieve with God, rest in Jesus, and now accept the Lord's providence.

This means that it's okay for it to be painful, and it's okay to feel hurt, confused.

If you trust God, then you'll trust his perfect purpose and will for your life.

He, with wisdom and love, cares for and directs all things in the universe that includes you.

The doctrine of divine providence is that God is in complete control of all things.

He is sovereign over the universe as a whole.

Psalms 100 319, the physical world, Matthew 545, the affairs of the nations, psalm 66, seven, human destiny, Galatians 115, human success and failures, Luke 152, and the protection of his people.

Psalms 48.

This doctrine proves directly to the false ideas that the universe is governed by chance or fate.

And this is what, like, is pushed throughout schools, everything.

This is, they want you to think, oh, by chance has happened to you, or it's your fate to be.

To live in despair or pain or something.

Like, I used to think that, you know, growing up, like, I went through a lot, and I thought I was just destined for that storm until I was saved, and then I knew I no longer have to look at my storms.

Yeah, God uses it all for, which is what I know you're talking about.

Next is using it all for a purpose.

What about the entire book of Job?

In my opinion, you can kind of make a case for every story in the Bible, even in your own life, when it comes down to divine providence in scripture.

Yeah, and in Philippians one six, he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

And then Romans 828.

We know that in all things, God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

All things means all things.

God is never out of control.

Satan can do his worst.

Like in job, even the evil that is tearing the world apart is working towards a greater, final purpose, and we're a part of it, and God has a plan and we just have to trust him.

You also have to remember, like, we're gonna see our, our babies in heaven.

I, you know, they, they didn't have to live through the sin and the world that we have to live in, and they're not condemned.

Yeah, that's where that's actually going to come later and embracing holy hope.

But, yeah, people too tend to ask the why does this happen?

Why did God do this to me?

People tend to make an all creator, all knowing, all loving, omnipresent, omnipotent goddess, all about them.

The whole world, the whole universe revolves around them.

And that's why I think job is a really great gateway into people being humbled and taking a step back and understanding the world, even you and your life and your problems, has nothing to do with you.

God is going to use it through his providence, and there is a plan and a purpose.

All you have to do is ask, how am I a part of it and what can I do?

But that's where, once you understand your part in who you are, in the significance of the world, that's where the creator can really give you comfort and that c and grace.

Just to go over it again, we have g grieve with God, r rest in Jesus, a.

Accept the Lord's providence and C creator gives comfort.

So you need to seek comfort in prayer, people and power, which power is the living, breathing and word of God.

When you understand who God is and respect him, that's when you can receive his love in various ways.

The two main ones that I'm going to go over are, you know, you have to use discernment again with a healthy balance between the two of these, because one extreme of both of them isn't going to give you all of God's love and discernment.

Both are needed at different times in different ways.

So the first one is an important part of overcoming grief is understanding how to express it to God.

The psalms contain so many examples of pouring out one's heart to God.

And a fun fact, you can actually see the growth in the psalmist never ending where he began.

So he starts the psalm always expressing grief and all of his hurts and emotions.

But almost every single time, he will end in praise.

Every single time.

Psalm 13, psalm 23, verse four, psalm 30, verses eleven through twelve, and psalm 56 are some great places to start.

God understands us.

That is psalm 139, verse two.

That's also a great one because you can.

I mean, I feel like Jesus makes that very clear as well, through all the hurt and torture he goes through in the gospels.

But yeah, God really does understand us.

When we commune with him, we're also able to open our minds to the truth that he loves us, that he is faithful, that he's under control, that he knows how he is going to work it out for our good.

For our good.

It does ultimately end up being for blessings for us.

That's how he gives us comfort in general.

So, yes, we can express our grief to God.

God wants to hear it over and over again.

But again, there is an amount that we have that right.

We can pray and pray and pray and also be in the word, be in the word, be in the word.

But we also have to have.

Which is the second part of this community and the body of Christ.

Right, which is where Jeremiah and I feel like we struggled the most, even community, with each other when we were trying to express our hurts and our discomforts when we were going through our miscarriages.

Along with being able to share it with others, the body of Christ is designed to ease the burdens of its individual members.

So that's Galatians six two.

Often when we're grieving, we tend to shun others or shut them down.

And we tend to increase the feelings of isolation and misery because we want to sit in it.

We want to mourn with the Lord.

That's why we mentioned that there's a time and season for those things.

It's much healthier to seek counseling, biblical counseling, which is always great.

You can also get that in group settings and through individuals that you trust.

A lot of groups offer listening ears, but also the most important is helpful encouragement and discernment and just general guidance and love, where you can really work through grief together and talk about what is realistic.

And also, I don't know just how to aim your hope towards the Lord, which is the next part that we're going to be getting into.

But overall, when we talk about our stories and share our grief, we're able to lift each other up.

And that's how, like, I love that God constantly compares us as a community to the body.

One, because I'm in the body.

I love talking about the body, but when a finger gets chopped off, you know, the whole hand doesn't give up.

What happens is the other fingers can then get together and be able to support the rest of your hand.

And that's kind of what God is explaining here.

Like, the rest of the body doesn't just give up.

Right?

There are some vital organs and things that you need to survive, but the body is meant to support one another and to help figure out how to balance things when things feel out of whack.

That's why it's very important to understand these things, to be able to finally lead into the e, which is embrace holy hope.

Sadly, grief is a part of the human experience and a part of this life, but not the next.

We're not going to see loss or feel pain or hurt or we're not going to have stomach problems or anything in the next life.

And grief is a natural response to loss.

But we have the hope of Christ, and we know that he is strong enough to carry our burdens.

We can give our hurt to him because he cares for us first.

Peter five, seven.

In grief, we can cast our burdens onto him and rely on the community of the church, our community, that is, our personal community.

And then we have the world community.

But we're supposed to lean on, you know, our leaders, our wife, husbands, to experience hope.

Yeah.

There's intimacy in the marriage and then in the church and then in the world church.

Yeah.

And that's in Hebrews 619 through 20.

We have this as a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul, a hope that enters into the inner place behind the curtain, where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.

Any believers who have suffered a miscarriage should have faith in a glorious hope of one day seeing their child again.

I know we do it like people were shocked when they're like, you're not suffering right now.

It's like we're leaning on God.

We know our child is safe.

Yeah.

We know our child didn't have to live through everything that we will.

Yeah.

They don't get to experience any of the woes or evils of this world.

They just get to wake up and be in the arms of Jesus, like Jeremiah and I will never get to experience.

And they're perfect.

Children just like Jesus.

Yeah, we're in the perfect kids club.

That's funny.

An unborn child is not only a fetus or a piece of tissue to God, but is one of his children.

Yeah.

Jeremiah one five says that God knows us while we are still in the womb.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

We already have a relationship with God, and we just sparked into this world, literally.

Well, that's why lamentations 333 tells us that God does not enjoy hurting people or causing them sorrow.

Yeah.

Jesus promised to leave us with a gift of peace unlike any that the world can give.

We could bring glory to God while we're suffering.

Yep.

And Jesus said, I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me here on earth.

You will have many trials and sorrows, but take heart, because I have overcome the world.

If you don't do it in that order, your grieving is going to just continue to be an endless cycle over and over again.

And by the way, Jeremiah and I are not perfect at this.

I mean, we beat ourselves up even while recording this podcast.

It can be really frustrating and difficult to be able to have that, like, humility, especially when you're frustrated or tired or going through trials.

And this is something that we are trying to implement.

Implement into our own lives.

Thank you.

I couldn't get the words out, so these are just helpful things that have helped us through suffering.

I don't think we've ever really written it out before, though.

So being able to be able to go back to this, especially when we're hurting or frustrated or about our bodies, about our lives, about a loss of life, about any type of suffering, this is huge for us.

And we wanted to be able to bestow that wisdom onto our listeners because a lot of you are going through the same things we're going through.

Just, I feel like people don't talk about it.

They don't talk about it genuinely, and they aren't.

I feel like a lot of people are afraid and they want to act like everything's perfect and fine, and it's not.

It's hard being a Christian during this day and age, and it's a different season.

I know that people are like, well, are you being burned alive in oil?

Are you being skinned alive like Matthew?

No, we're not.

But brothers and sisters in Christ are just across the ocean at the end of the day.

We're not here to judge people's background or why they're going through what they're going through.

But we want to make sure that whatever you're doing, you're using discernment and understanding true grace, and you have to be able to mourn properly and correctly, even your old life, sometimes as a new believer.

Right.

And then you have to celebrate also.

Mm hmm.

And you celebrate with God.

Yep.

And that's what embracing holy hope is.

Yeah.

Celebrate, like, true celebration, that no matter what happens to me in this life, it doesn't matter.

God's using me for his purpose and his will.

Don't have idols and worship the Lord.

Read the word, cast your seeds, and also just let them be planted in your life.

And be patient because, you know you may not have a child this time.

Well, also, do you have to be okay if God may be using the desires to have a child?

Yeah.

Or adoption.

Yeah, for adoption.

For anything, for lots of things.

But God may be using that desire for you to have a child, even though you may not actually be called to ever have a child.

It's good to remember that children are a blessing, which means that they're a gift.

And not everyone in their life is meant to have that gift, the same way that marriage is also a blessing and a gift.

Not everyone is called to have that blessing and gift.

So I just want to make that clear as well.

When it comes to children, I very much agree with Katie Frost and her book, them before us.

I stand by it true and true.

And I will put all these things in the show notes, the herbs, this book, and of course, I'll be praying for you.

If you are hurting and you deeply want to have children and you haven't been able to, it doesn't mean that God won't give you children.

It doesn't mean that God will give you children.

But that's why I deeply, deeply ask you to please listen to the discernment episode if you have listened to this, because you will understand how to hear God's discernment in these things, especially about, is it time right now for us to try to have kids?

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