New Studio, Real Estate Insights & Whiskey Tasting Feat. Christian Cardamone

In this episode of the Whiskey and Wisdom Podcast 3.0, the hosts unveil a new studio location with improved natural light and ambiance.

Special guest Christian Cardamone makes a return, sharing his journey from offering his studio space to discussing his extensive experience in real estate development and investment over 22 years. They delve into the challenges of tree mitigation in development, the importance of strategic urban planning, and the dynamics of the central business district in Wilmington.

The guys also talk about Christian's podcast 'The Build Better Blueprint,' where he interviews high-net-worth individuals to glean success strategies. The show rounds off with a discussion on favorite local coffee shops, a whiskey tasting of a 21-year-old Glen Ick scotch, and a captivating conversation about personal growth, the definition of success, and the significance of community and relationships.

00:00 Welcome to the New Studio

00:58 Special Guest: Christian Cardamone

03:13 Diving into Whiskey and Scotch

09:54 Exploring Tequila and Other Spirits

13:17 Life Updates and New Beginnings

17:48 Real Estate Insights and Challenges

26:49 Long-Term Urban Planning Vision

28:27 The Build Better Blueprint Podcast

28:58 Podcast Goals and Success Stories

31:01 The Value of Networking and Relationships

33:54 Financial Growth and Real Estate Investing

44:58 Personal Definitions of Success

46:52 Favorite Coffee Spots in Wilmington

51:56 Final Thoughts and Closing Remarks

Welcome back to the Whiskey and Wisdom Podcast everybody.

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This is 3.0.

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As you can tell we're in a new location.

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Just mixing it up a little bit

some people got upgrades in life.

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Some people get better studios.

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I don't think this is

really a better studio.

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I just think it's a different studio.

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Tyler: The only reason why it's

better is because it's in my office.

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I think.

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Christian: I think it's a better studio.

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Hands down, this is, this feels legit.

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Just as a guest looking out, you're

elevated, you're looking out.

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It's a beautiful day.

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Plenty of natural light.

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Trust me, this is a win.

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Chris: It's been a goal for years

to kind of just like get a set

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studio space that's different.

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Get some green in here if you

guys know, you know, Chris

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Tyler: loves his

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Chris: green.

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Set it up.

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Yeah, send it.

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Tyler: Chris also likes it because

I do all of the work on a Friday

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before the Sunday we come in here.

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So he gets to sit down, we

press play and we go, yeah.

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But the reason why we have Christian in

here today is because we were using his

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studio for the last few months, actually,

probably close to a year actually.

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And, wanted to say thank you

so much for letting us come

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into your space and use it.

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We've loved using that spot.

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We've had so many compliments of

how it looks and the paintings

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and just the feel in there too.

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So I do greatly appreciate that.

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I know all of our guests do.

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And so I wanted to publicly thank you

for everything that you've helped us

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with and done in the background there.

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And also, you've grown a lot and have

done a lot of things since the last

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time we brought you on the podcast.

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Mm-hmm.

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And just wanted to see

what you have going on.

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'cause it's, it's inspiring watching

your journey as well too, dude.

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So, introduce yourself again

for anyone who hasn't watched.

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And if you haven't watched, go

back and watch the first one.

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Christian: Oh yeah.

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Awesome.

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Well, thank you guys for having me.

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I love what you guys are doing and

I'm, I'm very grateful to be back.

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So I'll start off with, this

is definitely an upgrade.

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'cause even though.

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Thanks for the kudos about my studio.

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My studio was like

slapped together quickly.

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For those of you who don't know

it, it doesn't have any windows.

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And so that's why this is right

there, right outta the gate.

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It's a, it's a win.

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But I'm Christian Cardamone

kind of like a Wilmington local.

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Moved here in 96 from New York and

went to high school, went to college.

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I've been a small business owner, operator

kind of entrepreneur, and been mainly real

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estate's Been my game for the last 20.

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Two years done some development,

some construction, some rentals, some

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short term, long term, some flipping,

like a little bit of everything.

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Mm-hmm.

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And yeah, I just, I'm

stoked to be here, man.

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I'm a, I'm very blessed

and I love Wilmington.

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I've got nothing but good things

to say about it and I just love

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being a part of things like this.

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So, yeah, I mean, you guys have, I've

been following your journey and I was so

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stoked when I offered you guys to come to

my studio and you said yes, because like

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we were talking about flying selfishly

I wanted to be around people that were

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doing big things with their podcast.

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As someone who started a podcast

last year, kind of to try and force

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myself to get uncomfortable it's,

dude, it's a lot harder than it looks.

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Mm-hmm.

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So I have massive respect for you

guys, like game, respect game.

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You guys are the real thing.

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And I think that that's

just so cool to have.

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A local guys like you who are doing

big things in the media space.

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So, kudos to you.

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Tyler: Thank you.

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Yeah, appreciate it.

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Before we get too far into it,

Chris was doing research on our

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whiskey today, so, so let's learn

about that and take our first step.

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Chris: Is it really.

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Whiskey though.

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Tyler: So all scotch is all scotch is

whiskey, but not all whiskey is scotch.

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Same thing with bourbon.

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Yeah.

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Chris: So I asked that question

because we are drinking Glen Ick.

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I probably said it wrong because I'm

not scotch or s Scottish descent.

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But super beautiful.

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This is a 21-year-old Grand Reserva.

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I gotta say, out of all of the websites

I look at, this is probably like top two

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and not number two websites because like

I'm looking at it and it's like just a

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beautiful swipe through so many setups.

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So oddly enough, this is, this

scotch was raised in Scotland

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and quote unquote roused by the

Caribbean because it is a 21 year.

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Glenda, which I didn't know they

did but it does most of its life

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in a classic like Scottish setup.

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And then they finish it in Caribbean

reserved or reserve a rum cask to

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add some ginger and fig notes to it.

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Let's see their website.

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There's so much going on.

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Stop.

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Tyler: I definitely got a little

bit of the ginger in there.

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I'm glad it was rested in rum casts.

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'cause I'm really not a Scotch fan.

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I've tried a lot of different scotches.

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I don't care who you are, people

out there that are Scotch people.

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It's not because I haven't

tried the right one.

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I've tried a lot.

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I don't like it.

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Stop trying to force me to like it.

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This one, since it was rested

in rum cast, I can tolerate it.

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Yeah, I don't like scotch.

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I'm sorry.

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So you'll notice

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Chris: it has a nice dark

golden color on the nose.

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You should smell a little bit

of vanilla, some floral hints

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of your classic rum stuff.

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So like banana figs.

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And then you get some of that

scotch, which is gonna be some

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toffee, some leather and oak.

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And then your tasting note

should be a little bit peppery.

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I mean, it's a scotch.

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It's usually peppery and then some

smoked oak, lime and ginger and spices.

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And then it's supposed to be a

little bit of a dry spicier flavor.

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Christian: This is the

cornucopia juice, pretty much.

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Mm.

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This is really good.

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This doesn't taste like

scotch almost at all.

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Yeah.

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Like most scotch has a very defined like.

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Bandaid labor, you know, that

should be one of the tasting notes.

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Yeah.

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This tastes like a, just a

really rich bourbon or whiskey.

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I don't know if I am refined enough

to tell a difference between a

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bourbon and a whiskey, but it

tastes like that kind of spirit.

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Cheers.

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This is good stuff.

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Chris: Yeah, I can definitely, so

like on the very back end, you can

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taste the classic like pettiness.

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Mm-hmm.

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Right.

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But it is very, very subtle.

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Compared to a lot of the other

stuff that we've drank this

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Tyler: is probably one of my top

favorite scotches, even though

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it still does not hit the top 10

of overall whiskeys I've tried.

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Yeah.

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Where are you guys

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Christian: with rating systems

now that you guys have had

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as many episodes as you have?

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Chris: So, I think we're asking

the audience we're trying to

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figure out do we do a, a revamp

or a revisit of like our top 20.

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That we've done, or do we do

a seasonal showcase and show?

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'cause like, I love to be like, so

this is usually a summer or a winter.

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Mm-hmm.

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Springtime whiskey.

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So we're trying to figure that out.

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We have, we have tried so many.

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Yeah.

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Like, and it hurts my brain to think.

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How many

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Tyler: we've tried.

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There's been multiple times.

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I'm like, I know I've had that,

but I need to try it again to

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remember what it tastes like.

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Yes.

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Chris: Yeah.

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So I would say we're

well over 150 different.

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Whiskeys for, it's

probably close to hundred.

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Well, probably it would be cool

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Christian: if you guys showcase

like, a North Carolina one.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, you could, you could maybe break

it down like regionally if you had to.

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'cause Yeah.

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There's so many different ones, man.

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Yes.

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And they're just, and.

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And then once they throw like a wrench

in it, like we're gonna age it in a,

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in a rum barrel or something, or like

a port like wine barrel or something.

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It just, it's like a hard left turn.

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So then you can't even compare that with

something that's like more traditional.

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Correct.

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So it's a, it's a wide like

gamut of flavor I think.

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I will

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Chris: say there's definitely.

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Obviously Scotch Bourbon, whiskey

is different, but when you do a,

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finished some, anything finished?

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Mm.

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It's a totally different category.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like it should be rated completely

different than everything else because

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of the way things get finished.

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Christian: So, Tyler, when you did

the end of days experience mm-hmm.

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What, what role did you play in the making

the whiskey or did you guys just barrel

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it and then see, see it and bottle it?

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Tyler: Yeah, so for us that's actually

we'll probably do another episode just

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talking about it and everything too.

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I may or may not open it.

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We'll see.

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But it was an investment barrel, so there

was a gentleman who paid for the barrel,

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rested it for three and a half years.

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And then the experience I got along

with like a few other people is you

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got to go in and bottle the whiskey.

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You put the label on it, you put the extra

sticker on it, and we put the sealant

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on top of it and all of the fancy end

of day stuff that you get along with it.

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So it was cool just like go

in there like, oh, how do you

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actually fill a bottle of whiskey?

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And like, what's the process like?

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So it was, it was neat just kind

of being behind the scenes a little

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Christian: bit.

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Yeah.

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That facility, oh, kudos to those guys.

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Man, that place is, I love that.

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That's in our backyard too.

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Mm-hmm.

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Right?

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'cause that facility is

so cool to go and see how.

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How they do it.

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And it's, that's definitely

like an artisan operation.

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Mm-hmm.

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But they are, they're a tremendous brand.

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I mean, they're very big too.

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Yeah.

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So it's, oh yeah.

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Really cool.

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And they're

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Tyler: gen specifically?

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I've been getting into gen lately.

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Mm-hmm.

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One of my favorite Jens.

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Chris: Yeah.

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Tyler: Mm-hmm.

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Chris: That's another we could

do, like every month we could drop

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like a single episode of like.

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Rating things and we could

still do like a solid Oh yeah.

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Six months.

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You doing it for a long time.

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Mm-hmm.

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And for those who don't know,

end of days is based here in

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Wilmington, in the cargo district.

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It was one of the, say one of

the first businesses over there.

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They, yeah,

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Christian: they

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Chris: really, it was close.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And they're still there,

still doing things.

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They now have like a little side side

hustle where they got like a, a popup.

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Kitchen or like different places,

like different restaurants come in.

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Concept kitchen.

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Yeah, there it is.

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Which has been pretty

awesome to check out.

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And then they're dropping these like

great new flavors on a regular basis.

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I'm, I haven't gone down.

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I would, did like a step into the gin

section and then I was like, eh, I'm okay.

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Tyler: I burned out my

palate on whiskey a year ago.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And I was just like tired of anything that

looked brown, so I started going, ouch.

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Down the gin.

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Christian: Dude, I'm, I'm with you Chris.

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I took, you can't do that when

you have whiskey and wisdom

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as part of your identity here.

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Yes, exactly.

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I switched over to Tequila

maybe like a year ago too.

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'cause Oh yeah.

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Just I played in the band and we

always, like, Jameson was like our

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Coleen card for years, and it's

like, love it, love it, love it.

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And then after a while

I've been drinking tequila.

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And trying to find like the

purest, cleanest, in my mind,

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the healthiest, you know?

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Yeah.

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To also kind of make me feel

like I'm trying to do my body a

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service, even though it's still

awful, it's poison, you know?

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Then when I have something

like this, it's like, this is,

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wow, this is full different.

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Have you had OCHO yet?

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OCHO is my go-to.

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That's mine.

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Okay.

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So is that yours too?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Dude, that stuff is amazing.

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Right?

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So

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Tyler: Good.

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And it's probably the

cleanest that I found anyway.

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Christian: Okay.

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That makes me feel great because I

was, I was told that, and I did like

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enough research to be okay with it.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then I was doing kind of taste

tests along Casamigos I liked, and

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Casamigos made like a crystal version

too, and I thought that was really good.

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But, ocho man.

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Chris: Mm-hmm.

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That's the stuff.

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This is the joys of like sitting

at a bar instead of like showing

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up with your friends all the time.

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Stepping away.

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Like if you take time to like just

go and learn from a bartender,

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asking them questions at a spot

where these people in eligible.

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It's amazing because literally the, I

would say last night we were sitting

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at the Ibis and I was asking these

questions 'cause like, I love Ibis.

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Shout out Matt Ray.

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He'll be on later.

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But their bartenders are so knowledgeable.

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So when I asked, I was

like, so I need a whiskey.

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My friend loves Espon, but Espon

to me was like 15 years ago.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like that was the expensive tequila.

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What is a better alternative

or a cleaner alternative?

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And he was like, so try

out Altos A-L-T-O-S.

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Like it's a square with like a right blue.

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I see it.

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Okay.

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And he is like, that is

a good like entry level.

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No to limited preservatives, so

it's still gonna be better for you.

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Yeah.

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Which I was like, that makes sense.

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'cause that's what I got

when we went our honeymoon.

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They were like, you can get a bottle.

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And I'm like, bet.

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And then he said the same thing, like OCHO

is a great, like, it's not a inexpensive

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bottle 'cause it's like 60, 70 bucks.

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Mm-hmm.

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But it's still an amazing bottle for like

your, let's just have a tequila soda.

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Something that you can get some

good flavor and you're not gonna

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feel like shit the next day.

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All: Right.

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So,

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Chris: so how did you shift

from whiskey to tequila?

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Why did you not do like gin?

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I know why you didn't do vodka,

but like, or beer or something.

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Christian: Well, I've, over the last maybe

24 months, I've been working to just try.

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Improve my wellness overall.

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Mm-hmm.

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Just 'cause I'm, as I'm getting

older, I, you have to like, pay

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more attention to that because it

just becomes, if you don't make it a

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priority now, it, it, it's a lot closer.

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You know, it's later

than you think, I guess.

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Mm-hmm.

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Is what I would say.

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So, so you gotta just be

mindful of that stuff.

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So just little decisions and just trying

to optimize my life in, in different ways.

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And frankly I just kind of

got tired of certain things.

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I thought, well, lemme try something new.

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But I got a bottle of it

for my birthday last year.

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Okay.

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As a gift.

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And I was like, this is, I'll try it.

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And I had it and it was great.

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And then a buddy of mine, Steve told me

he was drinking it and then he told me,

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he like gave me like the pitch on it and

he's like, this is like the best tequila.

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It's like the purest, cleanest.

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And gave me the, he went down the

rabbit hole on how it's made and stuff.

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And I was like, all right, well this is,

let's go this route for a little while.

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So, yeah.

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It's not like I'm home drinking it by

the gallon, but, but if I was, that'd be

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what I would be drinking by the gallon.

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So yes, it's

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Tyler: good stuff.

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Yeah.

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So another thing that happened

in your life, and we'll get

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into more business stuff too.

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You also had a baby.

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Christian: My wife had a baby.

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Tyler: Well, yes, yes.

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You played a, you played,

you played a small role.

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I participated, yeah.

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It was awesome.

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At least partially.

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Christian: Yeah, baby Luca

Franco Cardamone got here.

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Three months ago, and dude, he's amazing.

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He's we just finished watching

the F1 race, Singapore race

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that happened this morning.

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Oh yeah.

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So he is home.

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He's got his little Ferrari onesie on.

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That's awesome.

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Good for him.

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And he was great.

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He was awake and, and kicking

and wiggling the whole time.

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And he's healthy as can be.

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Man.

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We're so blessed.

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And, and his his sister's now three and

a half years old, and she's, she's been,

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it's quite a change when another baby's

introduced into the equation, you know?

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Mm-hmm.

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But it's been, it's been awesome, dude.

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That's awesome.

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And, and hats off to my wife 'cause

she's doing the heavy lifting.

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Mm-hmm.

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But it's, it's been, the last

six months have been crazy, so

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Tyler: I believe

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Christian: it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's awesome.

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And you're still rocking with the bands?

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Still playing with the band.

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We played two weeks ago up at

Seven Mile Post, had a, had a

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good show and we're playing again.

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At Halloween.

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Okay.

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There seven mile posts.

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We do that like every year.

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Big Halloween show.

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Yeah.

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And then we'll play a re We do like a

bar show, like a club show once a year.

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We do it at Reggie's.

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Oh.

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So that'll be in December.

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And that's like a throwback

to the days we used to play at

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the whiskey downtown years ago.

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Yeah.

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It was like the di disgusting

dive bar that we loved.

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And so that's our, not that

Reggie's is a disgusting dive.

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Right.

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But it's like a rock.

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It's like one of the last few

like rock clubs we have in town.

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Right.

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So we're stoked to play

there and get loud and.

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Play some grunge music,

and that'll be it for

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Tyler: the

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Christian: year.

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Tyler: So the office that we're in, beacon

Wealth Management, so myself and then

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Jody Burke and Eric Kohlberg as well.

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But you know Jody.

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Oh yeah.

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And, and he loves coming

out and supporting you guys.

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And every time you guys are out, he,

he lets me know after he goes, yeah.

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And I'm like, jerk, why

don't you invite me?

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But

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Christian: Jody's awesome man.

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Shout out to Jody.

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He is, he's one of the

greatest dudes, man.

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And I've known him for a long time.

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Yeah, he's always been.

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Big live music guy.

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Yeah.

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So I think that's cool.

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Our town needs that.

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That's what makes our town

special is a lot of people.

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We have a lot of great music here.

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Mm-hmm.

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A lot of great talent, man.

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And it gets, it gets supported

and that's really important.

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Yeah.

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So,

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Chris: so, 'cause you're a live music

guy, I gotta ask the question, what do

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you think about these sound ordinances.

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And I ask that because I go to a lot of

bars that, and buy a lot, I mean like

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three that are in positions where it's

like, Hey, 10 o'clock, cut the music.

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Or like even downtown, I feel like

it starts midnight and yes, I'm old.

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Am I gonna be out past 11?

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Probably not.

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Mm-hmm.

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But I was curious of your position as

like, an artist and like someone who plays

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Christian: man, I think.

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It's one of those things where as you,

when you're younger and you're out and

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you're playing, it's like, well, you

know, we're in a bar, we can be loud.

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That's what the bar, that's

what that environment is for.

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But from a different perspective,

you hear situations where there's

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like a bar with like condos above

it, and so it's a, it's a tough call.

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I mean, there's certain districts that are

designed in the city for a reason, central

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business district being one of them.

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Where then this just, if you buy

a piece of real estate in that.

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Zoning district, it

comes with the territory.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so I think you have to have areas

that are designated for that, which we do.

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So we gotta have it man, rock and roll.

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That's just the bottom line in,

in the appropriate places at,

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during the appropriate times.

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And our, our like live music

window downtown, everything has

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to stop at two o'clock anyway, so.

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All: Mm-hmm.

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Christian: That's pretty much it.

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During the week, not a lot of music goes.

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I, I don't go downtown as much as I

used to anymore, so I, I don't know.

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But most of the time it's just a

couple, three or four nights a week.

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And I, I would just say

it comes to the territory.

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So you gotta know what your buyer beware.

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Do your homework before you buy a

piece of property that's in the central

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business district, and then it'll be fine.

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Wait, where's the central

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Chris: business district?

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Christian: Like downtown?

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We have it's an overlay.

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It kind of like a third

street to the river.

493

Okay.

494

And then it goes down to maybe

orange on the south side and all

495

the way down to like, Cape Fear.

496

Okay.

497

On the north side.

498

So those are areas where the zoning

is very favorable to business.

499

And so for example, they're not

working to preserve green spaces

500

like you can, there's zero lot lines.

501

If you're building, you can build.

502

That's why buildings are

right next to each other.

503

Okay.

504

The restriction, the height restrictions.

505

Are very flexible there.

506

They're usually like 42 to 44 feet

there, so you can go, that's why you see

507

these condensed areas of, of density.

508

Mm-hmm.

509

Okay with that.

510

And so that's 'cause they

want to invite business.

511

So they have to have that down there

and they have to have people that

512

are allowed to turn the music up.

513

'cause that's where people

want to go and do commerce.

514

So.

515

Tyler: Well, thank you so much.

516

That was an amazing segue because if

you didn't listen to the first episode,

517

Christian's also in the real estate game.

518

So he is mm-hmm.

519

The person who would know

the most about this anyway.

520

'cause that's, that's your job.

521

Christian: Yeah, that's,

I mean, I love, I love it.

522

I live for it.

523

It.

524

I'm in the throes of an interesting

process with the city now.

525

I'm working to develop a

small like, mid-rise building.

526

I saw that.

527

Yeah.

528

Mm-hmm.

529

And so the technical review committee

is, is a, is a process I've been

530

through a couple times, but this

is been a bit of a challenge for

531

me with the city just because.

532

An infill lot, small infill lot.

533

And so, the biggest thing we're having

now to deal with is like tree mitigation.

534

Oh, yeah.

535

Something you never, you know,

it kind of became a big topic of

536

conversation co maybe like a month

or two ago when they were developing

537

that thing on Wrightsville Ave.

538

That complex air and they just,

they cut down bunch, everything,

539

everybody freaked out, you know?

540

Yeah.

541

So it's definitely, it's a real thing.

542

But the city in their ordinances and their

zonings, you know, the code is written

543

in a way and you have to abide by it.

544

And so it's, it's a delicate dance.

545

Yeah.

546

So I'm ready.

547

There I go.

548

Chris: And I understand, so like

in general you want to add more

549

businesses, more people into an area.

550

Mm-hmm.

551

But I also see the other side

of like there's trees that have

552

been here for hundreds of years.

553

Christian: Yeah.

554

Chris: In, I don't know why we

have to destroy all of them.

555

We should be able to like give it

some space or at least plant something

556

that can fill into that space.

557

And I feel like a lot of

places just go like, woo.

558

Knock it down and don't plan anything.

559

Christian: Yeah.

560

It's, well, it has to be done responsibly.

561

Mm-hmm.

562

Because you have to, you have to

weigh, and I think this is what I'm

563

dealing with now with the city, is

they have an ordinance that's written

564

that speaks to how to mitigate

trees if you're gonna cut them down.

565

What that means is like if you're

gonna cut one down, you have to

566

pay a certain dollar amount based

on the diameter of the tree.

567

And certain species are

protected and they require more.

568

And then you also have this like

critical root mass in the ground.

569

So you can't put anything in the

buildable footprint Ah, yeah.

570

Within those to protect the tree.

571

So there's a fine line between owning

land, being able to develop it and

572

being subservient to like zoning, but

then also being subservient to like

573

the tree, like the tree is gonna win.

574

So it's like I just, I guess I

can't just develop this because

575

my little piece of land, for

example, this is the ironic thing.

576

A single family home.

577

If I was gonna put a single family home

there, I can cut all the trees down, don't

578

have to pay a dollar, just I can get my

construction plans permitted, approved,

579

and I can cut down all the trees.

580

The trees that I have to cut

down for this same thing because

581

it's a commercial building, it's

gonna cost me like 60 grand.

582

So I'm thinking, well, the

city wants more housing.

583

The city is an infill lot.

584

Mm-hmm.

585

These aren't any protected species.

586

And so as a developer, it's making

me want to not develop to the

587

highest and best use of the, of the

land, which doesn't serve the city.

588

So the way that ordinance is written it's

more appropriate if you had an acre or

589

two or three acres out here with beautiful

live oaks and something to preserve.

590

But these are, these are not

a protected species of tree.

591

And so it's one of the frustrating things

I'm dealing with with this right now.

592

And so.

593

Just comes to the territory, I guess.

594

Yes.

595

Chris: Yeah.

596

So, hot topic question.

597

What is your opinion on this

is a good thought process.

598

What is your opinion on adding more

apartments before you expand the road?

599

Christian: I mean, that's been the

biggest thing that people complain about

600

here is parking and infrastructure.

601

Mm-hmm.

602

And so, at a certain point in

time, you know, we're, we're s.

603

It's geographically we're,

you know, a triangle.

604

We've got the river,

the ocean, we're stuck.

605

You know, there's not

much left, pretty much.

606

Right.

607

And so, I feel like most of the

damage has been done and the, the

608

leadership that we've had, I've been,

you know, a big supporter of, of a

609

lot of our, the current folks that are

in office downtown, but they've also

610

been there so long since I got here.

611

A lot of them have been in office.

612

Right?

613

Yeah.

614

And these problems weren't

necessarily here when I got here.

615

In 96, this was a, we were, was a farm.

616

Oh yeah.

617

You know, I used to drive my Volkswagen

beetle down here, down in military

618

cutoff and there was cows and horses.

619

Yeah, right.

620

I'm dating myself, but I mean, there's a

621

Chris: three lane road for all

until I went to high school.

622

Christian: Yeah.

623

Yeah.

624

And so we've seen all this develop in a

lot of the folks that are in office now.

625

Were, we're in office back then,

and all they've done is develop.

626

So it has to be done

more responsibly I think.

627

I mean, we need, we need a lot

of help with infrastructure.

628

But now you can't do it, dude.

629

You can't put the genie

back in the bottle.

630

Right.

631

Yeah.

632

About to say, you know, you can't

widen the roads when there's

633

buildings or houses, or you can't

just go and exercise imminent domain.

634

It doesn't work like that anymore.

635

Right.

636

You know?

637

So

638

Chris: I was curious 'cause I was out my

side of town, they're adding apartment

639

complexes and I'm like, yes, I understand

capitalism and the fact that we need money

640

and we wanna bring people here, which.

641

Will then cause other businesses to show

up here and like want to develop it.

642

But I'm also like, can we not use a

little money and just push it back

643

a year and just make this road a

little bit wider because a two lane

644

road for all these people trying

to get into GE is not the move.

645

Yeah.

646

Especially with more construction,

647

Christian: I think that we need

some folks to propose something.

648

Possibly, and I'm not saying like

politically in the middle of the

649

road, but figuratively or, or even, or

literally really between like, let's

650

save all the trees and never develop

anything and no new people can come

651

here and, and let's lock Wilmington down

and just keep it the way it is forever.

652

Versus we have to be pro development.

653

You know, that's just the nature of

the beast, but something in the middle.

654

Yeah.

655

That just shows responsible development.

656

So, restrictions that,

that apply to developers.

657

But it needs to be more specific

to the site versus just a huge, a

658

blanket, blanket area of like, even

something as broad as a zoning district.

659

I think so, and that's just, that's

just been my experience seeing it.

660

And so we just need someone to,

development's probably one of the biggest

661

hot ticket items in our, in our area.

662

Mm-hmm.

663

So that needs to be the topic

of conversation and then the

664

folks that are running for

office right now it needs to be.

665

It's at the forefront, I

think of the discussion.

666

Tyler: Yes.

667

Yeah.

668

'cause you have two different.

669

Options really if you're gonna

look at the two separate sides.

670

So if you say absolutely no more

development, you're gonna have like

671

a Long Island where they're not

doing a lot of development and the

672

houses are just stupid expensive.

673

'cause everyone wants to move

there and there's only so

674

much supply for the demand.

675

Mm-hmm.

676

Or you flip the other way and go like the

LA route or you just build on top of each

677

other until you have absolute gridlock.

678

So to your point, like you have

to find a happy medium somewhere.

679

'cause you're going to

achieve one or the other.

680

Yeah.

681

Especially, like you

said, we're in a triangle.

682

There's only so much you can do.

683

It's

684

Christian: even more important here

because of our physical size is so

685

small, so Wilmington just needs to

figure out what its identity is.

686

Mm-hmm.

687

And then commit to that and get the

whole county and city to buy into that.

688

And then it's like, are we

exactly, are we the next Hamptons

689

or are we the next Myrtle Beach?

690

Right.

691

You guys pick and whatever we wanna do,

let's just do it together, but let's

692

all get a line again on the same base.

693

Yeah.

694

And this is such a

special place that it's.

695

Like Charleston's probably

a good role model for us.

696

Savannah.

697

Those are good cities where you have like

the historic riverfronts and then you

698

have the beaches on the barrier islands.

699

But these are like.

700

You know, grownup things you never

think about until you become a grownup.

701

Exactly.

702

Yeah.

703

And then you're like, ah, traffic,

you know, and, but, and the

704

taxes are going up and all this

stuff, but it's, it's real man.

705

And this affects us.

706

So, I sound like a politician, dude.

707

So when are you running?

708

No.

709

Oh man, I

710

Chris: gotta go.

711

I laugh.

712

So this was not an announcement podcast.

713

I was, I was thinking so like my friend

was driving through Carrie and was like.

714

He loves the visual of it.

715

'cause like they have a

median down most of the space.

716

Yeah.

717

And then they have

trees on the other side.

718

And I'm like, it reminds me of downtown,

like yes, it sucked when they started

719

putting medians in down like third street.

720

Mm-hmm.

721

And you're like, oh this

is, this is frustrating.

722

'cause it stops me from cutting across.

723

And I'm like, but as an adult I was

like, well also limits the amount of.

724

Accidents we have of

someone shooting across.

725

Totally.

726

Should they probably have like made the

parking spots a little bit wider so I

727

can inch out and see around that suburban

that's decided to park on this last spot.

728

Yeah.

729

Mm-hmm.

730

But then I'm also like, that'd be nice

to do on like all of the barrier streets

731

that need to be expanded, like make 'em

two lanes, but put a median down the

732

middle with some trees and guess what?

733

You replaced some of the

trees you got rid of.

734

Which can help a little bit, and

then it turns it from looking like

735

just an aisle of just openness to

having a little bit more character.

736

Christian: Yeah.

737

I think there's, there's has to be, I

think what we just need is more vision.

738

Mm-hmm.

739

And we need a longer view.

740

Mm-hmm.

741

So it's not just like, what's the next

1, 2, 3, 5 years when you're, when you.

742

Master planning cities and

layouts for urban environments.

743

It's like 15, 20, 50 year visions, right.

744

That we need.

745

And I just don't know that anyone's

sat down and made the case to the, to

746

the public here, like, this is, this

is what Wilmington needs to look like.

747

It's just like, let's just

get to the next election.

748

Mm-hmm.

749

And, and here's the next, here's the

thing that you guys are gonna click on

750

or talk about and just to get votes.

751

And it's we just need someone

with like a grander vision.

752

To preserve this place, to this place.

753

I was in landfall the other day just

looking at a piece of real estate.

754

That's one of the prettiest

subdivisions ever.

755

And it, it gets a lot of flat 'cause

it's like, you know, where all

756

the rich people live or whatever.

757

But dude, that's, that's

the same landscape.

758

It's Right.

759

You could throw a football into

landfall from where we are.

760

Exactly.

761

Yeah.

762

And so our whole city could

look like that, you know?

763

Yeah.

764

It's just.

765

All the, it's, I love it.

766

That's why I love it here, but I just

wanna protect it and preserve it.

767

Tyler: Yeah.

768

Kind of same line.

769

I don't have a dog in the fight.

770

I live in Brunswick County, but

you can say the same thing out

771

there too, is they're being very

reactive over there right now.

772

I'm like, we have so much

green space right now.

773

If you had the right leadership in

there, it'd be like, Hey, this is

774

what it's gonna be like in 25 years.

775

Christian: Yeah.

776

Tyler: Leland.

777

J me being optimistic and me being

a Brunswick County and right now,

778

we could take over Wilmington if

you do it right, and if Wilmington

779

stays on the right track.

780

Yeah.

781

Or on, on this track.

782

On this track.

783

Yeah.

784

But yeah, to your point, like you can't

just keep being reactive to everything.

785

Just looking to the next election

cycle, like there has to be

786

some type of grand vision.

787

But I'm gonna take our subject and

flip it a little bit 'cause I wanted

788

to talk to you about this too.

789

Yeah.

790

So get off the, the politics

of real estate and go into

791

something a little bit more fun.

792

You mentioned this before,

so you have your own podcast.

793

Oh yeah.

794

And I've listened to a few episodes.

795

I really like what you're doing on there.

796

Tell us a little bit about

your podcast and what you're

797

trying to accomplish with it.

798

Christian: Thank you.

799

So my podcast is called

The Build Better Blueprint.

800

Mm-hmm.

801

And it was.

802

An exercise that I forced myself to do,

like I said before, just to try something

803

new to get a little uncomfortable.

804

Yeah.

805

And I launched it a year ago.

806

I think I'm in episodes or

like in the mid fifties.

807

Mm-hmm.

808

Yeah.

809

So, my goal with it was really just

to interview like high net worth

810

individuals who have found success and

find out what they did to get there.

811

Because there's, there's a one podcast

I've, I discovered a couple years ago,

812

and the guy's moniker is like getting

the knowledge from the people who have

813

it to the people who need it or whatever.

814

Mm-hmm.

815

Mm-hmm.

816

And I just think that

everyone's opportunity is there.

817

If you're an able-bodied and you,

you know, you're in America today,

818

you have opportunity in front of you

so much that you don't even know.

819

And, and so many people.

820

They're not nearly as smart

as you are wildly successful.

821

Mm-hmm.

822

All you gotta do is know.

823

You just need to know

what, what play to run.

824

So I just want to, to meet as many people

as I could that were successful, find

825

out what they did to, to find success and

success in family, success in business,

826

success in faith, or whatever it is.

827

It success means something

different to everybody.

828

Mm-hmm.

829

So I do the best part about it, and

maybe you guys can speak to this, is

830

the people that I've met through that.

831

Have just become, some of them

become very close friends.

832

Yeah.

833

Some of them I never speak to again, but

I had a great just interaction with them.

834

It's so cool, man.

835

It's just, it's the neatest, I'm not

even sure how to define it, but the

836

fact that you can create this little

conversation and put it out into the

837

world and then you go online to like

look at your analytics and there's.

838

20 people in Russia have taken

the time and they know who I am.

839

Yeah.

840

That's freaking weird dude.

841

Yeah.

842

And, and I'm, I'm very like

small, you know, I'm not, I don't

843

do a lot of publicity with it

'cause I'm still figuring it out.

844

'Cause it's also another skill to learn.

845

Yeah.

846

And to, and to put yourself out

there to do that is also, as you

847

guys know, you've done it very well.

848

It's a challenge, so.

849

Mm-hmm.

850

But I'm coming up on my one

year anniversary and we'll see.

851

I told myself I'd do it for a year just

so I didn't quit when it gets hard.

852

Right.

853

Mm-hmm.

854

So we'll see.

855

I'm probably gonna revamp a little

bit and start having some more guests

856

and I'd love to have you guys on.

857

So that's, that's the build better

blueprint on Apple and Spotify.

858

That's awesome.

859

Wherever you get your podcasts.

860

Yes.

861

Yeah.

862

Tyler: Yeah.

863

So it sounds like you did it

for very similar-ish reasons to.

864

Like while we started.

865

So one of the main questions I get

when I talk about a podcast are like,

866

oh, like I see like the views you

get in your shorts and everything.

867

Like how much money do you make off of it?

868

Mm-hmm.

869

Like, I haven't monetized it,

I don't want to monetize it.

870

Like I wanna bring the people on

that I wanna bring on to build

871

the network that I wanna build.

872

Yeah.

873

And that's the most important thing to me.

874

So like I, if I bring

someone who I really like.

875

But like an advertiser would be like,

that person's gonna get like three views.

876

Like, I don't care about that.

877

Like, I'm gonna talk to him

'cause I wanna talk to 'em.

878

They have a story that they

want to share with someone.

879

I think there's value in their story

that if one of our, like couple

880

thousand people listen to, if they

get value from it, that that's more,

881

I mean, I have a, I have a good job.

882

I don't need the podcast to make money.

883

The, the relationships and

networking is worth way more.

884

I think

885

Christian: that's probably why you guys

have done so well with it, because.

886

You don't need it.

887

Right.

888

So it doesn't feel like needy.

889

Like you guys are here

and, and everything's like

890

brought to you by Glen Fitt.

891

You know, it's like, it's like, oh, Rolex.

892

The, the, the best way to tell time.

893

It's like, you guys are here

'cause, 'cause you want this.

894

And then if, if a byproduct of that

is a relationship or someone learns

895

something, then that fills your cup.

896

Mm-hmm.

897

And so in this world today where

everything is human capital is

898

like, relationships are the most

valuable thing you can have.

899

Yeah.

900

So you might not need.

901

Me today.

902

I might not need you today, but

we've built a, a friendship and a

903

relationship and down the road if and

when there comes a time, we have that.

904

And that's right.

905

That's more valuable than like an an ad.

906

Exactly.

907

I think.

908

And if we don't ever need each other

and it doesn't need even to be like a

909

user concept, it's just this is a great

thing to do on a Sunday afternoon.

910

So I, I think it's a great, platform.

911

Tyler: One of the things I think

is a disservice that people talk

912

about, not saying this is a bad

thing, but the absolute focus on

913

making sure your profession is

something you're passionate about.

914

Because I do think there could be

something that you do to make the money

915

that you're not passionate about, but you

can then take the assets that you created

916

there to put into some type of passion

that's not generating you an income.

917

I think that could be.

918

Even more valuable in certain ways because

then, then you can take that passion and

919

actually give of service to someone else.

920

And I feel like that

would serve your cup more.

921

'cause you see all these people

on Instagram and stuff now,

922

they're like, oh, I became a.

923

Whatever, influencer or whatever coach.

924

'cause they're taking something

they're passionate about and

925

trying to turn money into it.

926

Yeah.

927

And they already have like a good

paying job doing something else.

928

Just because everyone's

telling you need to make money

929

doing everything that you do.

930

Like if you're putting an hour into

it, you better get a return on it.

931

Yeah.

932

Like, okay, I'm getting a return off of

this right now, but just not monetarily.

933

Like I enjoy sitting

down and talking to you.

934

Yeah.

935

That's, that's a huge return for me.

936

Yeah.

937

And you being able to provide value to

our listeners, that's a huge value for me.

938

Christian: Yeah.

939

Well that's a great way to

look at it too, because.

940

Money is a tool and money is

good for the good it can do.

941

Right?

942

So the way you generate income, I and I

talk to folks about real estate investing.

943

We touch on this often because

everyone's like, I want to quit my W2

944

and just be a real estate investor.

945

Mm-hmm.

946

And it's like your W2 is the

biggest tool you have to help you

947

become a real estate investor.

948

Mm-hmm.

949

It's the income you're generating to then

buy the assets and invest in, which over

950

time will appreciate and, and provide

the benefits of real estate investment.

951

You don't wanna lose that.

952

Mm-hmm.

953

If you have an engine that you

have already control over that

954

generates income, that allows

you to, to do these other things.

955

So yeah, it's very important.

956

Right.

957

Tyler: I'm gonna oblige it for a while.

958

I'll let you go now.

959

Chris: You're good.

960

So go back a little bit and then

come forward the, with your podcast.

961

How do you find these people?

962

You said high net worth individuals.

963

For someone like me, I hear the

term, but I don't know, like.

964

What that really means.

965

Mm-hmm.

966

Because it, to me, I'm

like, high net worth.

967

I'm like, oh, well they have to have

this much money, or they have to

968

do this, or they have to own that.

969

And in general, I was looking at something

the other day and they were like, yeah,

970

you know, if you have over $500,000, like

in assets, you're wealthier than like

971

over like more than 95% of the population.

972

So for those people as, that's why

I was curious, like, where do you.

973

Where do you find these people?

974

Or like how do you like, oh,

I heard them or I saw them.

975

Like, where do you find

the pe your guests?

976

Christian: So, most of the guests

from my, from this past year have

977

come from masterminds or coaching

groups that I've been a part of.

978

Mm-hmm.

979

So one of the groups that I'm

in is called Go Abundance.

980

Mm-hmm.

981

It's, it's been just a

exceptional experience.

982

I joined at a year and a half ago.

983

And, and they have a financial threshold.

984

You have to be, worth over a

million dollars just to join.

985

Okay.

986

And then once you're in the group,

then there's levels, there's

987

champions level, which is worth

your $10 million or more net worth.

988

So there's different tiers in the group.

989

And everyone in there, the goal is

to help collaborate, to help bring,

990

you know, to help bring everyone up.

991

Yeah.

992

And help with the challenges of business

and in life and, and everything.

993

So that group is really in, there's a lot

of people in there that want to help you.

994

Launch something new or

support you in your endeavor.

995

So there's, and a lot of guys

in that group have big podcasts

996

and it's not industry specific.

997

So they're all different types of, of

industries in there, but that's where

998

most of those guys have come from.

999

Okay.

00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,620

And I've met most of 'em in person.

00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:19,880

But it's just, it's cool 'cause a lot

of these guys, I mean, I've been to a

00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,550

couple of the conferences and I'm sitting

next to a guy who's, you know, 10 years

00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:24,080

younger than me and we're talking and.

00:36:25,085 --> 00:36:27,545

One of the exercises you go through,

it's, it's really big on, like,

00:36:27,635 --> 00:36:30,755

you open the kimono and you go

through your financial balance sheet

00:36:30,755 --> 00:36:32,015

and you talk through everything.

00:36:32,015 --> 00:36:35,655

You really, it's get vulnerable on

a lot of levels, but that's how you,

00:36:35,775 --> 00:36:39,165

you grow when you have someone who's,

who's up here and you're down here

00:36:39,165 --> 00:36:41,805

and they can tell you, this is what

you need to do to help to get here.

00:36:42,165 --> 00:36:43,185

It's, it's really cool.

00:36:43,185 --> 00:36:45,645

And there's, you know, one of the

guys I was with is, he's worth like

00:36:45,645 --> 00:36:48,945

$40 million and I'm, I'm like, dude,

you look like a skater punk, right?

00:36:49,215 --> 00:36:51,210

But I learned so much

from that interaction.

00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:55,800

At that event that being able to talk

to these people is really valuable.

00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,250

So I want to be able to try and

expose my audience to that so they

00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:01,110

can see, dude, this guy can do it.

00:37:01,110 --> 00:37:01,590

You can do it.

00:37:01,710 --> 00:37:01,830

Yep.

00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:02,250

Right.

00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:06,010

And that, and that's really the,

the, the crux of, of why I wanted to

00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:09,460

start the podcast was just to say,

this is all here for the taking.

00:37:09,550 --> 00:37:10,990

You know, you gotta do the work, right?

00:37:10,990 --> 00:37:11,080

Yes.

00:37:11,110 --> 00:37:16,090

But choose your path and you can

make money so many different ways.

00:37:16,510 --> 00:37:17,530

It's terrifying.

00:37:17,740 --> 00:37:17,830

All: Mm-hmm.

00:37:18,655 --> 00:37:20,725

Christian: People make money

doing a lot of weird things.

00:37:20,785 --> 00:37:20,875

Yes.

00:37:20,875 --> 00:37:22,535

So, and they make a lot of it.

00:37:22,535 --> 00:37:25,385

So if you want, if you want, and

it's not all about money, but if

00:37:25,385 --> 00:37:28,265

you wanna make money, find someone

who's doing what you're, what you

00:37:28,265 --> 00:37:31,085

wanna do and get the playbook.

00:37:31,535 --> 00:37:31,685

Yeah.

00:37:31,895 --> 00:37:39,125

Chris: So, so then leads to, in general,

what was the like catalyst that like got

00:37:39,125 --> 00:37:41,405

you into the point where you're like, I.

00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,580

Want to grow and I want, and I can

be vulnerable because a lot of people

00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:49,220

like wanna grow, but they're like,

yeah, I don't wanna go sit in a

00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:53,060

class next to somebody who's probably

whose net worth is four times what

00:37:53,060 --> 00:37:54,410

I have, or 10 times what I have.

00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:58,370

What was that thing that was like, you

know, I'm not the best in the room.

00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:59,840

I need to make some changes.

00:38:01,315 --> 00:38:05,210

Christian: I'm not sure that there

was a specific flashpoint where I

00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:07,430

just, the script flipped, but mm-hmm.

00:38:07,950 --> 00:38:10,860

Man, I think it just

maybe over time, but you.

00:38:11,295 --> 00:38:13,125

You just have to be growing.

00:38:13,125 --> 00:38:17,295

Otherwise, you're, if

stagnation is, is the end.

00:38:17,415 --> 00:38:20,985

So if you're not pushing yourself, if

you're not being surrounded by people

00:38:20,985 --> 00:38:22,455

that are where you want to go, mm-hmm.

00:38:22,695 --> 00:38:24,285

Then that's stagnation in my opinion.

00:38:24,285 --> 00:38:26,595

And so I've always been the kind of

person who wants to learn and grow.

00:38:26,955 --> 00:38:28,935

I read a great, a great quote yesterday.

00:38:29,294 --> 00:38:30,075

I forget who it was.

00:38:30,464 --> 00:38:33,555

It said, live, like you're

gonna die tomorrow, but learn

00:38:33,555 --> 00:38:34,725

like you're gonna live forever.

00:38:34,815 --> 00:38:36,105

It might have been Gandhi

or something like that.

00:38:36,215 --> 00:38:38,885

But yeah, I just always wanna continue

to learn and be around people who are

00:38:38,885 --> 00:38:41,075

doing new things that, that excite me.

00:38:41,555 --> 00:38:43,295

So you just have to get over it.

00:38:43,295 --> 00:38:47,465

Dude, at a certain point, the

difference between 1 million and

00:38:47,465 --> 00:38:51,785

10 million or a hundred million,

that's a, that's a huge spread.

00:38:51,815 --> 00:38:52,085

Yep.

00:38:52,205 --> 00:38:55,295

But these are just people like you

or me, the amount of money, it's

00:38:55,295 --> 00:38:56,435

just a number in your bank account.

00:38:57,665 --> 00:39:01,355

In this town, you can live like

a millionaire making 30 grand.

00:39:01,625 --> 00:39:01,685

Yeah.

00:39:01,775 --> 00:39:04,265

So it's just, it's just in your,

it's all in your head, man.

00:39:04,265 --> 00:39:05,285

It doesn't, it doesn't matter.

00:39:05,375 --> 00:39:08,375

So you just kinda, once you arrive

at that point, it just gets easy.

00:39:08,465 --> 00:39:12,995

You just, I've already made

a fortune and lost a fortune.

00:39:13,355 --> 00:39:17,105

so I've been to the mountaintop and

00:39:17,105 --> 00:39:18,875

then bend to the bottom of the barrel.

00:39:19,415 --> 00:39:22,625

And so after that, it's like,

dude, none of this matters.

00:39:22,955 --> 00:39:23,880

So just do what you wanna do.

00:39:24,785 --> 00:39:27,665

If you want to build yourself back up,

get around people who are already up

00:39:27,665 --> 00:39:28,835

there, and that's how you get there.

00:39:29,345 --> 00:39:33,095

Tyler: I was at a conference recently

with people with a lot of money.

00:39:33,275 --> 00:39:33,635

Mm-hmm.

00:39:33,875 --> 00:39:38,225

And, and one of the, my favorite quotes,

and I've, I've heard it elsewhere, but

00:39:38,225 --> 00:39:41,645

hearing it from him, like, and actually

hearing his journey, because like when I

00:39:41,645 --> 00:39:43,895

sat down and had an opportunity to talk

to this guy, I was like, I'm gonna make

00:39:43,895 --> 00:39:45,485

this my own personal podcast right here.

00:39:45,485 --> 00:39:47,405

And I just like came out

with all the questions.

00:39:47,435 --> 00:39:47,675

All: Yeah.

00:39:47,945 --> 00:39:49,235

Tyler: And my favorite

thing that he said was.

00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,070

The hardest million to

make is the first million.

00:39:52,070 --> 00:39:52,310

Mm-hmm.

00:39:52,545 --> 00:39:55,370

He goes, because then to double that,

you already know how to make a million.

00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:57,260

So you just make the next two.

00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:57,560

Yeah.

00:39:57,590 --> 00:39:59,150

He goes, and now you have two.

00:39:59,150 --> 00:40:00,740

It's easy to make the next four.

00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,440

And then he goes, and then just

starts compounding over that.

00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,050

And then you start having the

capital to invest in other things.

00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:08,810

That's your passion about maybe there's

a return on it, maybe there's not.

00:40:08,955 --> 00:40:11,420

He's like, and then you can actually

start hanging out like with you.

00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:12,890

So with the mastermind type of things.

00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:13,190

Yeah.

00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:16,880

Like you start attracting the same people

and then other opportunities start to.

00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:18,950

Kind of emerge in everything.

00:40:19,220 --> 00:40:24,200

So it was just really interesting hearing

how the whole growth process happened.

00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,590

And he was grew up from not a lot of

money as well too, and found a job

00:40:29,590 --> 00:40:32,740

that he really liked and was able to

move up the ranks and talk to the right

00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:34,210

people, asked the right questions.

00:40:34,210 --> 00:40:38,110

And that's kind of basically what got

him to the, to the point that he got.

00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,620

And one of the main reasons why I

started this podcast was to have

00:40:41,620 --> 00:40:44,840

the conversations with people just.

00:40:45,425 --> 00:40:47,075

Many other success podcasts.

00:40:47,165 --> 00:40:49,745

Yeah, so I always use the Jay-Z example.

00:40:49,925 --> 00:40:53,915

It was like, oh yeah, I started out like

cleaning toilets and stuff and it was

00:40:53,915 --> 00:40:57,275

like, then I had opportunity to record

this one time, and then like one thing

00:40:57,275 --> 00:40:59,945

led to another and now I'm Jay-Z, and I

have like hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:41:00,035 --> 00:41:01,475

I'm like, okay, what

are those middle steps?

00:41:01,475 --> 00:41:01,655

All: Yeah.

00:41:01,805 --> 00:41:02,855

What happened between there?

00:41:02,855 --> 00:41:03,695

That's what I want to know.

00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,430

Tyler: And so the more and more I

talk to these people, it is just the

00:41:06,430 --> 00:41:10,030

passion for growth and willing to ask

questions and the willingness to fail

00:41:10,030 --> 00:41:11,530

and just putting yourself out there.

00:41:11,770 --> 00:41:12,010

Yeah.

00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:16,690

That was the only part that was missing

that I was like, so Direly trying to find.

00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:17,050

Yeah.

00:41:17,050 --> 00:41:19,600

I was like, it's just finding

the opportunity and willing to

00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,190

fail to find that opportunity.

00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:22,360

Christian: Dude, I mean,

that's so well said.

00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,610

You know, winners lose

more than losers do.

00:41:24,670 --> 00:41:24,760

Mm-hmm.

00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,080

That's just the truth.

00:41:26,380 --> 00:41:29,230

You just, you don't see that until you

see them when they're successful and

00:41:29,230 --> 00:41:30,520

they're on the top and you don't realize.

00:41:30,875 --> 00:41:33,155

The path they had to forge to get there.

00:41:33,215 --> 00:41:33,425

Right.

00:41:33,575 --> 00:41:35,915

And maybe it started this

way and ended up up here too.

00:41:35,915 --> 00:41:39,975

You know, you never know where but just

you're always one relationship away from

00:41:40,035 --> 00:41:45,195

a really major pivot in your life that

could be really good or or really bad.

00:41:45,435 --> 00:41:45,585

Right?

00:41:45,585 --> 00:41:46,395

So, but you won't know.

00:41:46,395 --> 00:41:48,225

And I guess it's distill it down.

00:41:48,255 --> 00:41:51,105

You just have to put yourself out there

and not take yourself so seriously

00:41:51,105 --> 00:41:54,525

and be like, dude, we're just three

guys here shooting the breeze.

00:41:54,735 --> 00:41:54,795

Yeah.

00:41:54,825 --> 00:41:56,685

But this relationship could.

00:41:57,090 --> 00:42:00,120

Materialize something really

big someday, that'd be awesome.

00:42:00,150 --> 00:42:01,590

If not, it's great right now.

00:42:01,650 --> 00:42:01,920

Right.

00:42:01,950 --> 00:42:04,350

And it just don't take

it so seriously, man.

00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:04,650

Yeah.

00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:05,285

This is my thought.

00:42:06,210 --> 00:42:09,000

Tyler: That's why I tell Chris all

the time, don't take it so seriously.

00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:12,090

Well, not just that, but like

anything could come from anywhere.

00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:12,450

Yes.

00:42:12,450 --> 00:42:12,810

Right.

00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,080

Yeah.

00:42:13,140 --> 00:42:15,090

And like just taking an opportunity.

00:42:15,090 --> 00:42:17,290

'cause one of his things like, oh,

I don't have the money to do that.

00:42:17,530 --> 00:42:20,980

And me being in the business than I

am, I'm like, money is everywhere dude.

00:42:21,010 --> 00:42:21,310

Christian: Dude.

00:42:21,490 --> 00:42:22,175

Yes, yes.

00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,170

That's the truth.

00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:25,510

And some people have way more

than you ever even thought.

00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:27,730

But if you wanna get rich,

hang out with rich people.

00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:28,120

All: Yeah.

00:42:28,330 --> 00:42:30,820

Christian: You know, you wanna become

a good pickleball player, hang out

00:42:30,820 --> 00:42:33,160

with pickleball players, you wanna be

a good surfer, hang out with surfers.

00:42:33,610 --> 00:42:36,130

But you can't sit home and, and

say, I wanna be a surfer, but

00:42:36,130 --> 00:42:37,300

never go to the beach or never.

00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:37,780

Right.

00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:39,130

Hang out at the surf shop, whatever.

00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:42,580

You just gotta, that proximity

principle is so real, man.

00:42:42,580 --> 00:42:42,670

Yes.

00:42:42,670 --> 00:42:45,610

So you just get in the room with

people that are living your dreams

00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,250

and then it just, it happens.

00:42:48,250 --> 00:42:50,830

You got, and again, you

gotta put in the work.

00:42:51,490 --> 00:42:51,760

Right.

00:42:51,820 --> 00:42:54,430

And, and you know, success

doesn't reward shy people.

00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,930

You gotta put yourself out there.

00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:56,080

Mm-hmm.

00:42:56,350 --> 00:42:57,670

But you do it, man.

00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:58,780

It's not rocket science.

00:42:58,810 --> 00:42:59,110

Chris: Yeah.

00:42:59,110 --> 00:42:59,120

Yeah.

00:42:59,170 --> 00:43:02,500

It's been the running joke

because everyone, I've had people.

00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:07,660

Come up to me outside of like, like

out off the podcast and be like,

00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,940

so whenever you open up your bottle

shop and I'm like, ma'am, I'm not

00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:14,380

actually opening a bottle shop.

00:43:14,410 --> 00:43:14,710

Yeah.

00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:17,860

I have to, like we said,

you have to have a passion.

00:43:17,860 --> 00:43:20,650

Like you have to have something that

you wanna work towards and you still

00:43:20,650 --> 00:43:24,490

gotta have a nine to five and like a

bottle shop I think is a great idea.

00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:28,060

Have I written it out and have

a plan to like take to somebody?

00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:28,600

No.

00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,880

It's just Chris concepts.

00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,320

Like I have a lot of them and 92% of

them are not gonna come to fruition.

00:43:35,770 --> 00:43:39,160

But Tyler is always here to hype me

up and like, talk to this person.

00:43:39,310 --> 00:43:40,840

Go ask that guy, they'll help you out.

00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,260

I'm like,

00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,540

Christian: that's beautiful, man.

00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:43,720

Yeah.

00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:45,220

That's the value of that though.

00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:46,660

You gotta have a coach.

00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:50,620

Yes, you gotta have a mentor or a

friend if, if he's not pushing you.

00:43:51,715 --> 00:43:54,595

Then if you really wanna have a bottle

shop, you could have a bottle shop.

00:43:54,655 --> 00:43:54,955

Yes.

00:43:55,015 --> 00:43:57,475

And maybe when that day comes,

it's because Tyler kept kicking

00:43:57,475 --> 00:43:59,875

your ass saying, dude, fuck you

doing, get, get your shit together.

00:43:59,875 --> 00:44:00,475

Get this bottle shop.

00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,060

Oh, a hundred percent.

00:44:01,135 --> 00:44:03,715

You know, like, but if he's not,

if he's not there to do that, then

00:44:03,715 --> 00:44:05,575

you're just gonna go on your merry

way and just have a good idea.

00:44:05,665 --> 00:44:06,205

We all do that.

00:44:06,205 --> 00:44:07,045

We're all guilty of that.

00:44:07,075 --> 00:44:08,515

It's like, oh, I'd love to have that car.

00:44:08,515 --> 00:44:09,055

I'd love to do this.

00:44:09,055 --> 00:44:09,805

I'd love to do this one day.

00:44:09,805 --> 00:44:11,275

But you gotta, you gotta.