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If Not Low Serotonin, What’s Really Driving Depression? - The Demartini Show
Episode 14512th August 2022 • The Demartini Show • Dr John Demartini
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A recent study by UCL has cited that there is no convincing evidence that low serotonin is responsible for depression. If not a chemical imbalance, then what's driving depression? Join Dr John Demartini for an in depth discussion about what's really going on in the mind of someone with "depression". Get ready for a new paradigm in mental wellbeing.

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We're basically stopping and taking a narrow view,

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and they're not looking at the holistic aspect of the human being and giving

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people their power back.

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This particular topic that I want to do today is initiated

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primarily because of a recent study that has come out,

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dealing with the idea of serotonin and biochemical imbalance in

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relationship to depression. You know,

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it's been for many years since the 1990s,

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sort of been promoted that a biochemical imbalance is the cause of my

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depression. And the question is,

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is what's really driving depression if the serotonin levels,

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aren't the only factor or not as much of a factor as they like to make it

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seem? The reason I've been saying that is because I've helped many,

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many people with depression over the years,

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over the decades,

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and suddenly they had enough dopamine or serotonin or norepinephrine

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in their brain after asking a series of questions and breaking down some of the

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delusions and unreleased expectations and fantasies that they were harboring.

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So I go, well, something's not, that must not be causal.

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And I've not been a firm believer in the biochemical model for all these years,

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because I've seen too many cases,

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hundreds of cases that resolved their depression without having

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to take any chemical.

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And and I know that the biochemical changes in the brain can

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occur by changes in ratios of perceptions and expectations,

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if a tiger jumped into a room, all of a sudden you're next to it,

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and you quickly did your biochemical analysis,

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you'd find imbalanced biochemistry,

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because you're perceiving a tiger about to eat you.

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So these things can change in 200 milliseconds.

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And so I'd like to go down the rabbit hole a bit on that and talk about

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depression for a second and why the biochemical model

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and you know, just because we,

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we've confused causal with correlated.

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To say that a biochemical is the only cause or the cause of these depressive

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states or these cyclic states

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is a little bit stretching it,

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maybe correlated or maybe not even correlated, in some cases.

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In fact, some have shown, I went to a conference in Toronto,

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a number of years ago, 2008 I believe,

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about thousand psychiatrists there and I just kind of joined them in and

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listened in,

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see if I could learn some things and I got a manual that they gave out at the

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door. And back then, now this is 12,

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14 years ago, they

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were saying that there's a decrease in effectiveness and not even greater

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than some placebo effects on these serotonin or

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selective serotonin uptake inhibitor chemistries that

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or norepinephrine uptake inhibitors, or dopamine uptake inhibitors,

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and they were not really getting the effects.

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And it was stated at this conference and I was amazed at how that was done and

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it wasn't widespread.

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And it's taken now 12 to 14 years for now this article to come up

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and actually make some sort of contribution and difference.

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So the question is, is what's really going on?

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So let me just share with you something that's going to shock you and I know I'm

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going to get some reaction from this because you're so programmed,

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most people are programmed, not you, necessarily each individual,

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but many people are anyway,

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programmed by the biochemical pharmaceutical model that

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you just automatically assumed that was true.

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I've not believed that all these years,

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because I've seen clinical evidence that points against it. But,

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what's interesting is, is, is depression really a condition?

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Ooh, that's a shocker because if you're depressed, you're thinking,

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well I've got to have it. See,

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we have a tendency to want to create a false attribution bias towards external

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circumstances because of the repercussions of what people think about us if

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we're down and we're not up up. The whole positive thinking movement says,

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you got to be up all the time, you got to be up,

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if not you're a failure or something. And that's just not so.

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Every human being has periods of cycles of ups and downs in mild or

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moderate degrees. Euthymia is just very small ones.

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Cyclothymia is a little more moderate and you know,

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bipolar condition and manic and depressive states is more extreme.

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It's like a spectrum there.

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And I think most everybody has periods of highs and lows.

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They have mood swings as self-esteem swings revolving around their

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true self-worth, which is the center of those.

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And you have a homeostatic mechanism in the brain neurochemically and

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electronically to try to bring that into balance.

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And the question is what can throw those off? And I am absolutely certain,

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one thing that I've demonstrated over and over again is subjective

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biased interpretations of reality and unrealistic

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expectations that have been programmed into us by injected traditions and moral

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hypocrisies, et cetera, that lead to these things.

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So I'd like to discuss those.

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So I'm going to describe depression as a comparison of

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your current reality, which is balanced,

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even though you're conscious of one side and unconscious the other,

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a comparison of your current reality to an unrealistic

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expectation, fantasy or delusion about how life's supposed to be.

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Because I've had people who are depressed and I found out what they were

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comparing their life to about how it 'should' have happened,

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'supposed to' have happened, wished it would happened or whatever,

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found out what they thought it should be, found the downsides of what they were,

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because they were assuming all upsides, no downsides.

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And when I came up with the downsides about how they were comparing their life

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too, about how it should have been, all of a sudden they weren't depressed.

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I've seen this over and over again.

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Had recently in my Breakthrough Experience, my signature

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a lady who said, 'Well,

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my mother wasn't there when I was a child and I was abandoned.'

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And of course the psychologist, you know, had heyday with that and said,

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the reason why she's all screwed up in her life is because of that type of

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thing. It's a false causality.

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It's not because they were abandoned that's the cause.

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That's an event that occurs. But their perception,

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decisions and actions determine what happens out of that.

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If you have an expectation that your mommy's supposed to be there and they're

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not, then you can go, oh, they they're the cause of my problems.

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But the reality is, I asked this person; when your mother wasn't there,

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what specific trait, action,

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inactions did you perceive that you missed out on?

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And they started listing them. And I said, and at the moment,

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when your mom disappeared and was no longer there or wasn't there,

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who took it on? And they go, well, nobody. I said, look again.

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And then they realized that they became more resourceful and took on some of

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that or a mother's friend did,

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or an aunt or a big sister or a teacher or somebody else in their life took it

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on and they didn't see it. And all of a sudden they go, Hmm.

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Or they turned into because sort of a doll,

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an inanimate object became a doll that would talk to them and say the things

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that the mother was, that they wanted her mother to say.

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But we found out that the mind was become aware when I asked the right

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questions,

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because the quality of your life is based on the quality of the questions you

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ask,

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what was the new form and what was the benefit of the new form and what would've

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been the drawback if they had been there the way you fantasized.

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Cause you're assuming if they'd been there it'd been all positive or more

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positive than negative. But if I ask what's the downside if they were there,

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the mother was there and what's the benefit of these

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roles, once I level that, the anger's gone, the depression's gone.

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I call it the A B C D E F G H Is of

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negativity; anger and aggression, blame and betrayal, criticism, challenge,

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despair and depression, desire to escape and exit the situation,

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futility and frustration, grouchiness and grief, hatred and hurt, irritability,

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almost insanity, irrationality.

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Those are byproducts of our comparing our reality to fantasies

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and unrealistic expectations.

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Unrealistic expectations that mommy's supposed to be there at all the times and

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not ever missing, which is unrealistic, or be positive and never negative,

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which is unrealistic,

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or to read your mind and know what you want and always be there and do what you

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want, unrealistic. I can find 15 common,

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unrealistic expectations in most people that are depressed.

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They have an unrealistic expectation on themselves to live one sided;

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positive without negative, nice without mean, peaceful without warful,

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kind without cruel.

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Or an unrealistic expectation that they're supposed to be living in somebody

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else's values and be somebody they're not, inauthentic,

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which the brain doesn't allow.

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Or an unrealistic expectation on others to live in your values or others to live

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one sided or the world in general, collective consciousness,

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to be one sided and not have peace and war and not be supportive and challenging

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or praising and criticizing.

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Anytime you have unrealistic expectations on a monopoled expectation of one

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sidedness or something the world's supposed to live in your values or you're

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supposed to live in other people's values,

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instead of communicating what you value in terms of other people's value and

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them doing the same, you are going to have depression.

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And what they found is depression may not be an illness.

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I'm not even a believer that it's an illness.

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I believe that's a label that got a pharmaceutical industry to be able to sell

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drugs to people sometimes and psychologist,

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to be able to treat some sort of therapy at times.

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I believe that it's actually the brain doing its job to try to associate

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pain with fantasies and unrealistic expectations,

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to associate pain with pleasure. You know,

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if you want to change a conditional reflex and a behavior on something,

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you can take something that you think is really pleasureful and addicted and

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associate pains with it and withdraw that from being an addiction,

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or something you think is terrible and find the benefits of it and a cognitive

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reappraisal approach like that in cognition can change the seeking or

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avoidance responses,

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the impulses and instincts that run by our amygdala in our survival part of our

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brain. If we do that, we're going to be, you know, changing those perceptions.

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And I think depression is a feedback mechanism,

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a negative feedback system to try to let people know that they have unrealistic

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expectations, they're being inauthentic,

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and they're basically needing that to associate

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pain with the fantasies that they're holding onto to get them back into

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equilibrium.

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The reason being is because I go in and find out what their fantasies are and I

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have not seen one depressed case, not one,

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that didn't have unrealistic expectations and fantasies stored inside.

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You may not know how to ask them,

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I'm pretty good at asking the questions to bring it out,

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but once you see it there,

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they usually bring tears and have a catharsis and they realize, oh my God,

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no wonder I'm depressed, I've got something that's

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And if I go and crack the fantasy on that and find the benefits of actually

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what's occurring,

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because anytime you compare your current reality to a fantasy of how it 'should

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have been', 'would've been', 'could have been',

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you're not going to appreciate your life, because you're not, the way it is,

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is the way it is. And if you compare it to what it isn't,

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then you're basically not present with what is and not appreciating what is.

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So I go in there and crack the fantasy on there and all of a sudden the

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depression comes up because I'm breaking the addiction to a fantasy about how

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life's 'supposed to' be. And this is very important in people's lives,

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realize that they're, they're hoodwinked. You know,

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you're told in churches to be a morally one-sided, which is hypocritical,

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that you're not going to live by.

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No human being is nice without mean or kind without cruel or positive without

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negative all the time.

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These are absolute moralities that are unobtainable and they're basically the

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pursuit. In the Buddhist tradition it said,

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the desire for that which is unobtainable, one sidedness,

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and the desire to avoid that which is unavoidable, the other sidedness,

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is the source of human suffering. We live in a one sided world. No,

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that's not real. If I was to go to look in the mirror,

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I couldn't say I'm always positive and never negative or always kind and never

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cruel.

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I would look in there and I go sometimes I'm nice when you support my values,

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sometimes I'm mean when you challenge my values, I can be kind, cruel, giving,

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taking, generous, dingy, considerate, inconsiderate, you know, thoughtless,

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thoughtful, I could be positive, negative, peaceful, wrathful.

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I could be all pairs of opposites. I went through the Oxford dictionary many,

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37 years ago, and I found that I had all 4,628 traits.

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Gordon Allport also did that and found over 4,000 traits that human beings have.

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And nothing's missing in me.

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I use all those traits at different times to accomplish what I want.

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But if I have a fantasy that I'm supposed to be one sided or people are supposed

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to be one sided or always people supposed to be kind and peaceful and nice and

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everything else, life's not going to match that,

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I'm going to be depressed because it's not matching my fantasy.

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And if I hold on and I'm addicted and attracted and impulsively demanding that

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fantasy onto the world,

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the law of eristic escalation is going to come in and neutralize that with the

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opposite side. And I think the mind is doing that.

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And that's why I don't want to label depression a disease.

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That's what's so commonly done,

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but they label almost everything disease in order to put a diagnosis on it so

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doctors can communicate it and pharmaceutical companies

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it, what therapists can sell something for it.

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I'm not convinced that's the solution. I'm not convinced that's real.

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And I know some of you have been through major depressions and everything else,

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you're saying, I don't believe that, that guy's crazy or whatever. Well,

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I haven't had the opportunity to ask you the right questions and bring it out of

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your and make you aware of those delusions you might be holding onto.

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So you'll probably be upset with me when I say that.

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And that's perfectly understood.

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And that may be the very thing that's part of your depression,

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because if it doesn't match your reality. When you're down,

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when you're not living your life based on your highest values,

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you're not living by priority, you're not doing something meaningful,

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you're not doing something creative that inspires you,

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you're not having a job that's meaningful,

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you're not in a relationship that's meaningful,

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you're not having meaningful life, your blood, glucose,

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and oxygen goes into your amygdala.

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Your amygdala wants to avoid predator and seek prey,

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wants to avoid negative and seek positive. It's the animal survival mode.

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It's mass conscious herd instincts and impulses.

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And that's where most people are.

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They're wanting to avoid any challenge and seek everything easy.

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And immediate gratification cost life.

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And long-term vision that embraces both pains and pleasures and support and

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challenge and all pairs of opposites has already been proven to help maximize

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growth. You need prey and predator. You need support and challenge.

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You need both sides, praise and reprimand, to keep you authentic.

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If you get puffed up with praise and you start getting yourself up into pride,

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you then project your values onto other people and expect with imperatives,

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others to live in your values, which is futile and fatal in some cases.

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And if you minimize yourself, you'll be sacrificing yourself for others.

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We're not here to sacrifice others for us or us for others.

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We're here to learn how to be in sustainable fair

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equity and equanimity.

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And that comes from living by highest priority and living in your highest,

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you know, most inspiring mission for life. People that have a mission,

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people that are doing something meaningful,

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people that are inspired by their job,

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people that are inspired by their relationship, people,

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they don't have time for that, because they're in their forebrain,

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they're in the executive center, they're manageable, they're more objective,

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they're more reasonable, they're more aware of life in its fullness.

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They have mindfulness instead of half-fulness.

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When you infatuate with something you're conscious of the upside,

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unconscious of the downside, you're blind, and you now have a fantasy about it.

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And now when you're resentful to something you're conscious of the downside,

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unconscious of the upside, and now you have a fantasy to escape it.

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First you have a fantasy to seek it. Then you have a fantasy to escape it.

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And you have a nightmare having lost it and having a nightmare of being around

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it. And these polarities, these absolute polarities of perception,

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are what's involved in these depressive states and manic states.

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And I saw an article recently about the idea you can separate the two.

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I haven't found them separated.

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I know how to ask the right question and show where the mania is in their

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depression, where their fantasy and unrealistic

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It's usually unconscious. Sometimes it goes back and forth,

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but once you identify, you can see the source of it.

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And then the depression doesn't seem like a mystery.

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It seems like it's actually got a motive and it's got a mechanism to try to

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break our addiction to things that are unrealistic.

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So I'm not a believer that this is a biochemical imbalance "cause".

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that may be associated with it. We've not found, not just serotonin,

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now it's the most common one, all those, you know, those,

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those drugs that they've used for depression,

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almost all of them are serotonin inhibitor,

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uptake inhibitors and they're also norepinephrine and dopamine ones,

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but there's also other chemistries. In fact,

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you won't be able to find almost any chemistry in the brain that's not

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associated with these feelings and moods.

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You're going to find out that glutamine and glutamate,

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and also GABA Gamma-Aminobutyric Acid,

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both of these transmitters and N-Acetylaspartate,

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all these transmitters in the brain are all going around and

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fluctuating constantly. If you're infatuated with somebody,

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your impulse is to go after it.

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But your executive function in the forebrain is trying to set up a balance of

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glutamate and GABA to try to bring that back into balance,

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so you're not impulsively running your life.

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It normalizes and balances out the impulse and instincts that are normally

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distracting you in your life.

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The same thing if you're resentful to something and frightened of something,

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it tries to calm it down. So if we go in there,

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we're going to find biochemical imbalances. If you do a blood test,

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you're going to find glutamate and you're going to find GABA imbalances,

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and you're going to find serotonin imbalances,

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and you're going to find dopamine imbalances. But again, that's not causal.

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That's just mean that anytime you're perturbing your perceptions,

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these things are going off. I guarantee,

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if somebody was to come in there with a tiger and they were to do a door open

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and a tiger jumped in.

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If I was to do your blood chemistry right before it jumped in,

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you'd have one set. In 200th of a millisecond, the second you see the tiger,

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your perceptions changes the neurochemistry.

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And all of a sudden your dopamine goes down, serotonin goes down,

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norepinephrine might go up, your cortisol will go up, you

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would have a testosterone go up, your estrogen would go down,

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your enkephalin endorphins would go down, your substance P would go up,

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all these chemistries,

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glutamate and GABA would go into action to try to bring those back into balance

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intuitively. So you would go in there and you'd say, okay,

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you got a biochemical imbalance, there's the cause.

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That's a false attribution bias to deficiency of chemistry inside a human

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psyche when the homeostasis of the brain is profound.

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No pharmaceutical company can compete with the homeostasis of the human brain.

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They can assist,

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but that's only because we're not taking the time to find out what's going on

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inside the human being, what's going on in their psychology,

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and what's going on in their sometimes genetics, or epigenetics.

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And epigenetics is even more profound than genetics today.

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What's going on is we're finding out that epigenetic induced changes in

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physiology are because of our perceptions of our environment.

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If we perceive something supporting it,

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our parasympathetic nervous system comes on.

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We end up getting an acetylation getting in there,

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create different protein transmitters that are being secreted from cells.

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And so neurons secrete a different cell if you're supported in your mind.

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And then you get the reverse of that and you get a methylation and an epigenetic

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methylation if you get challenged and you get a different set of transcriptions

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and proteins that are now secreted from the cell wall.

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So we're basically stopping and taking a narrowed view,

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and not looking at the holistic aspect of the human being and giving people

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their power back.

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I'm interested in helping people have their power back by teaching them how to

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manage their state. You know, if we was a lot,

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if we have a completely balanced perspective, we don't

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We're not infatuated or resentful. We're not elated or depressed.

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We're not proud or shame. We're centered. We're authentic. We're empowered.

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The second you infatuate with somebody, you minimize yourself relative to them,

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and that's a disempowerment.

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Second you exaggerate yourself to somebody and resent them,

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you're too proud to admit what you see in them inside you, a disempowered state.

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Anytime you're not authentic, you're disempowered. Anytime you do,

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you create symptoms in your physiology and psychology,

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which is a feedback system, a homeostatic feedback system,

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to get you back to being who you are.

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The magnificence of who you are is far greater than any of those volatilities

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and vicissitudes. And the addiction to one sidedness, feeling good all the time,

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is the very source of some of the depressions we have.

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So I'm not here promoting that false attribution bias that we got a deficiency

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of drugs on the, in our life.

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I'm a firm believer that we have power and control over our physiology. We have,

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but we're not educated. And it's just like anything else. I was reading,

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or watching a video this morning when I was doing my workout.

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And it was on a parasite down in Africa.

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And it was basically a parasitic worm, a nematode worm that was there.

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And it was interesting,

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the people were getting it from a water hole that was sacred by ancestors for

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many generations.

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And so they would go in there thinking that that would cure them.

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And that was the very source of them. So there was a lack of education.

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And so they've had to go in there. In fact,

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Jimmy Carter had to go down there and educate them on this with a team and let

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them know that that's, that that sacred hole is not what they think. ,

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it's the source of their illnesses that they've got,

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which is causing blindness by the time they're 20 years old.

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And what was really interesting is the education finally woke them up and made

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them now aware and it's almost eradicated the disease because of education.

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I'm a firm believer that if people were educated about how their physiology,

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psychology, expectations, unrealistic expectations, fantasies,

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were impacting their chemistry and how their perceptions were impacting their

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chemistry, if they were really educated on that,

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and they knew how to take control by living by priority and having a tool which

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I developed called the Demartini Method to help people stabilize their emotions,

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they wouldn't have to be having a deficiency of drugs.

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And I'm not saying that that doesn't have a place because in some extreme cases,

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it may be a blessing. But that's not the first line of defense,

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that's not the first choice in my opinion, that's a secondary,

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a tertiary choice.

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I believe that you want to take accountability and be

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and take command of your life and find the order that's in your so-called chaos.

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The disorder is perception. It means missing information.

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It means you're unconscious.

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You're not asking the right questions and you're having false expectations about

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how life's supposed to be.

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Give yourself permission to take command of your life and learn how to master

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your own objectives. You know I teach the Breakthrough Experience every,

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just about every weekend, most weekends out of the year.

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In the process of doing it I have people depressed, I mean, it comes in,

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they come in almost every week,

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depression and bipolar condition and dissociative

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and abandonment issues and attention deficit. They got all these labels on it.

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And the second they all of a sudden learn how to stabilize their perceptions,

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asking new questions,

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hold themselves accountable on how to perceive differently,

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which I call the Demartini Method,

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and learn how values play a role in our behavior,

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and how to prioritize their life and take command of their life,

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and all of a sudden start being more objective and more realistic in

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expectations, the report is, my depression's lifted,

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I stopped. I never told people to stop their drug.

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They just stop them because they don't feel they're needing them anymore.

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They're back on track again, they're inspired by their life again.

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Our natural mechanism to be inspired.

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But if we're trying to live in other people's values or trying to get others to

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live in our values or setting up fantasies of one sidedness and have unrealistic

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expectations

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and we're down in our amygdala where we're avoiding pain and seeking pleasure

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and trying to be one sided,

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we're automatically going to be living to eat instead of eating to live,

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we're not going to be feeding our mind quality nutrition.

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We're probably not going to have realistic expectations and objectives that are

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meaningful and inspiring.

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And if the people actually go after and prioritize their life and start doing

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the method and neutralizing it and learn how to ask the right questions,

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because that liberates them from a lot of baggage.

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Because anything you're infatuated or resent,

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anything you're proud or shamed of,

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is going to be occupying your mind and your tendency when it's not fulfilling is

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to that emptiness is going to want you to look for a quick fix and a one-sided

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world, which leads to depression.

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That's why you find the amygdala's involved in that,

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dopamine and norepinephrine. And these chemistries are there,

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but that's not again, the cause, that's the side effect.

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The side effect of not being in command of your life.

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I'm a firm believer that you have the ability to govern your life and you can

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transcend that state. I'm a firm believer that you can,

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if you ask the right questions,

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become cognitive aware of things objectively and have balanced orientation.

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You're not going to have a balanced chemistry with an imbalanced mind.

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You're not going to have a balanced physiology with an imbalanced mind.

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You're not going to have a balanced mind with imbalanced perceptions.

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And you're not going to have a balanced perception unless you know how to ask

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the questions to equilibrate the mind from your initial perception,

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that are usually subjectively biased and in a sense,

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causing these emotional reactions.

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I'm a firm believer you have the power to do it.

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I've been dedicated the last 50 years of my life,

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trying to help people master their life and empower their life.

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I'm not looking for a false attribution biases,

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it's a cause by this and this is the solution. You know,

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you have a biochemical imbalance. Why? And you need this drug. No,

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that's not the solution. And they finally put a,

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they've had actually references on this.

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I can show you references that go back further.

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But finally one really hit the market this last few weeks here,

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dealing with the biochemical model,

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and most doctors are probably going to just keep quiet about that.

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But the reality is you want to make sure that you find a way of taking command

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of your life again.

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That's why I tell people to come to the Breakthrough Experience so I can teach

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them how to do that. So I can help them ask new questions,

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help them see things objectively,

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help them set goals that are reasonable and really meaningful and inspiring to

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them. So they're not in their amygdala.

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They're not down into their bipolar states.

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They're in that objective state where they're setting goals that are truly

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meaningful and they're learning how to love and have intimacy with people that

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they appreciate,

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instead of false expectations on themselves and other

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pedestals or pits, instead of putting them in your heart.

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If you want to put people in your heart,

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you want to be more meaningful and have a more meaningful life,

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you want to be more inspired,

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you want to learn how to self-govern your behavior,

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you want to learn how to transcend the labels of these false attribution

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biases and not be so volatile and run by the external world,

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then please come to the Breakthrough Experience. The way you master your mind

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so you can master your life.

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I've got proven personal development tools in there. The Demartin Method,

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which I've used now for years,

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I've been working on it for 50 years on how to dissolve that and something you

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can use the rest of your life on your own at home with your loved ones.

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It's a tool you can use.

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And also how to set goals and how to set objectives that are congruent with high

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values, where you have high probability of achieving them.

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So you live with meaningfulness and priority and purpose in life.

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And this is what happens to people that are depressed when they don't have a

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purposeful job, they don't have a purposeful life,

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they don't have a purpose relationship.

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There's a science on how to reclaim that.

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And that's what I want to teach you in the Breakthrough Experience,

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there's seven major, there's actually more than seven proven tools in there.

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There's just a wealth of information on how to help you master your life.

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So if you're interested in mastering your life and transcending this illusion of

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depression and getting past the external world causing you these

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imbalances, then come to the Breakthrough Experience.

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I'm absolutely certain you can come there and actually change your dynamic if

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you do. Because if you take command and you listen to principles and apply the

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principles, you're going to see the effects.

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You're going to watch the transformation right there on the spot.

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Not someday if you theory, it's right there,

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you get to experience it if you follow the instructions and do it exactly as I'm

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instructing in the process, it's quite impressive. If you do,

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your life's going to have a shift and the trajectory of your life can change.

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And your chemistries, you can take command of your chemistries.

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Every time you change the ratios of your perceptions,

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you're changing your chemistries. Let me show you how to do that.

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Let me show you how to ask the right questions because the questions you ask,

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determines what you're conscious of. And if you're fully conscious,

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you balance your chemistry. If you're unconscious of things,

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you've got an imbalanced chemistry.

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And I know that you can balance it and you have the power to do that.

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So I want to show you how to do that.

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And I want you to come to the Breakthrough Experience so I can help you master

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your life. Even if you're not depressed,

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maybe you know somebody who is depressed, but what you learn there,

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you can help them or yourself, transform your life.

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So I know that I do every week, I do this little 30 minute presentation,

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but thank you for joining me. Come to the Breakthrough Experience.

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I promise you you'll get something out of it you won't get anywhere else.

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And you're going to learn some really amazing physiology, psychology, neurology,

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you're going to learn endocrinology.

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You're going to learn a lot of stuff there that's going to mind blow you.

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And I know, I've asked people at the end of the program every week,

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how many of you learned something this weekend you could have gone your whole

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life and not learn? Every hand goes up week after week after week.

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So if you've enjoyed these little presentations also,

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please tell people about these 30 minute presentations I do every week.

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Because sometimes, I've heard from people that, you know, just boom,

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it was right on time for what they were facing and it rang true to them.

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And so just please let that be spread. Let people know about it.

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If you know somebody that's depressed or whatever,

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so at least they know there's an option out there.

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Instead of just living on drugs, there's side effects of drugs,

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it affects people long term,

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and you need to read the physician's desk reference if you're going to take

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them. I say, instead of that, take command of your life.

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Stop the false attribution biases, take command, take accountability.

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You have the power to change your chemistries and you

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difference in your life. Come to the Breakthrough Experience.

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Let me show you how to master your mind and master your life. Until next week.