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Something like a soldier.

My name's Slo, sir.

How you feeling, bro, on that late night midnight oil?

I feel relaxed.

Yeah, very.

Yeah, I feel probably a little bit too calm.

I've been working all day.

I earned my sleep.

Yeah.

Yeah, you and I both.

It's gonna be good.

Yeah.

Before I pop off with my bars, I'm gonna open us up in prayer.

Let's get it.

Bismillahirrahmanirrahim.

Malaki.

Ali.

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the most merciful.

All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds, the beneficent, the most merciful, Master of the Day of Judgment.

The Alone do we serve Thee.

Alone do we beseech for divine aid.

Guide us on the right path, the path upon whom Thou has bestowed favors not upon whom that wrath has been brought down, nor upon those who go astray.

Thank you, Allah.

Guide this conversation.

Guide the brotherhood.

Guide.

Guide our service to you.

And have us speak on what you would like us to speak upon as you loosen the knot from our tongues and have us touch the hearts of many.

We love and serve you alone.

Amit.

And here's Ami.

I keep closing my eyes for these prayers.

I heard you snoring on the mic.

Do I really want to open my eyes back up?

It feels.

It's.

It's midnight and we're drinking delicious tea from Imani.

Delicious, delicious tea.

And that feels really good.

Yeah.

It's a tea that oxygenizes the brain.

I wish I remember what was on it.

I would read it off, but no, it's really good.

Yeah.

So we all got our purpose in God's kingdom.

Absolutely.

My purpose is administration.

Imani is fruit God.

Tea God.

You are.

Who are you?

Culinary God.

Culinary God.

Culinary God.

And the God of making sure we are.

We all get along.

God.

Yeah.

And the God of seeing the God and everyone else first and foremost and making sure that that piece of them is validated and brought to the table when the others, myself included, may not see that part.

Because we're clouded by judgment and emotion.

That's your training.

Didn't mean to tell you that.

But, yeah, no, that's what you.

You, that energy is necessary.

And like, it's, it's the glue.

It's like, yeah, we're gonna have arguments, disputes, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but the end of the day, our unity is stronger than an atomic bomb.

Exactly.

You embody that principle, and you were raised with that principle since birth, and you don't.

You're not conscious of it because you just exude from your beingness.

And so without you exuding that, we wouldn't have been in this position, that we are in a unified body working together to build food infrastructure for our people.

Right.

I mean, it's necessary.

This is where we're supposed to be.

That's right.

So you're walking your posts in a perfect manner, keeping always on the alert.

So while I was.

All praise is due to Allah.

So while I was, While I was taking a quick shower, I. I was thinking about, for some reason, Kendrick Lamar came in my mind.

I think a lot put him on my mind.

And I thought about the impact specifically his art had on my life and putting me on a different trajectory that ultimately led to where we are right now.

Do you remember when Good Kid Mad City came out?

Were you like, bumping that when it came out?

Not early.

Yeah, I think I was already.

Did you.

Cause you're not like, you're not like a huge Kendrick Stan.

Nah, like, you, you respect him, but you're not like a super Stan.

No.

So when.

When do you remember first hearing about Kendrick?

I mean, I've been on Kendrick listening since he came out.

I just never caught the wave, I should say.

Okay, I know.

I feel you.

Yeah, I didn't catch the.

I hate that I always forget his name too, bro.

From Krishaw.

Nipsey.

I didn't catch the Nipsey Way 100.

Yeah, I mean, I can listen to it.

I just, I think by the time that came out, I was already kind of over music.

It's like, okay, the, the, the mindset, the programming that it, the, the influence it has on your life.

Yeah, I didn't really want that.

I, I, and I understand having not been from that environment, you know, it was safe for me to like Hedrick.

It was safe for me to like Nipsey because I, I didn't get banged on.

Yeah, nice.

Not by black people, get hated on by rednecks and racists and called inbomb.

Different type, different experience.

I've had that kind of experience as well.

Different experience.

Yeah, the banged on experience hurts.

Cause it's like I'm trying to save you.

Yeah.

It's more personal.

Like I would, you know, I know I got banged on, but I'm light skinned, so I got the, you're not a real black person, blah, blah.

I got my whole life.

Like I've got that.

That was just disregard, you don't count, you know.

And from the white side I got.

You're just an N word.

Yeah.

So I was like, well damn, I guess I'll just do my homework and I'll be a nerd.

Like that was my out.

And so.

But luckily that mentality, the willingness to study and better myself, it led me to the Nation of Islam where I learned that, oh, all I got to do is accept my own and be myself.

Exactly.

In my full, beautiful, yellow golden glory, bro.

It takes you, it takes a place like the Nation of Islam to help take away all the stigmas and misunderstandings.

And the, the BS games that come with being black.

Like the light skinned, dark skinned, whatever politics, they go, all that stuff that goes away.

And we joke about it.

You know, I joke about being light skinned, I joke about dark, dark beat all the time.

But I do it with us because we're on the other side of the fence.

But we could joke about that sort of stuff about being purple black.

About being high yellow.

Yeah, exactly.

Insignificant that conversation is at this point.

It is just a joke.

It's funny and it's.

But we're able to have these conversations and jest and joke with each other about being deep purple, high yellow.

Yeah.

Because we love each other.

Absolutely.

And that's what allows us to have these conversations.

And even like, you know, I get like, I'm not gonna say I make fun of.

But I, I, you know, it's, we joke with the rivalry.

I always joke about, you know, having my light skinned battle battalion.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, we got to stick together.

Light skinned lives matter.

You feel me?

I go in, I go.

But only amongst a certain.

Like only with us.

Yeah.

I wouldn't take that to like the map, the mass of our people, because we're still involved in.

It'll get lost in.

It'll get lost in translation.

And then people will take it,.

They take it seriously.

They take it seriously.

And they'll be like, oh, he's, he's against me.

Which is understandable because there's a whole history between.

Of light skins being weaponized against dark, darker skin.

Yeah, bro, this is a lot of trauma, so I can't.

I'm not gonna invalidate that trauma, which is very real.

But I'm also not gonna.

I'm not gonna be a victim to it anymore.

And I'm gonna love our people regardless of their.

Their hue, regardless of all the songs.

Exactly.

It's not just that.

It's a lot of them.

Yeah.

So bring us back to your boy, Kenny Kendrick.

When I listened to that first album, put me on a different trajectory in life.

You know, I didn't understand and know that the black man was God, but I caught that energy from that music and that music alone and.

Made me view the world in a different way and navigate through space and time as if that were the truth.

And it made.

When that truth got presented to me, it made me accept it more willingly.

So that lets me know that Kendrick is God.

He is of God for sure.

I mean, he got his roots from the city of Los Angeles in the city of Compton.

Like Nation of Islam has been there the whole time.

Absolutely.

He caught a whiff of it.

Absolutely.

Even the concept.

Good kid, mad city.

It's like, it's not me.

I ain't the problem.

The problem is the world that I live in.

That's right.

And he understands that concept.

So yeah, he, he, you know, gang, gang.

But the point is, like, he was just.

He was just one person, you know, like, but he had that much of an impact, let alone on me, you know, light skinned yellow dude from mostly white areas growing up.

So what has he done for our people?

He's put.

Not just.

No, no, not just our people.

Humanity.

Yeah.

He's put humanity on a different tract just by his art.

And he's just one person.

So while I was in the shower, I was thinking, okay, I know that the black man is God, the original man, maker, owner, green planner, God of the universe.

I know that to be true.

But also I have to view us tactically and practically as like our collective experience.

And what we're going on together as a collective God experience is.

Is also God.

And we also, like Kendrick, have that ability to have that ability to touch those lives and put them on the trajectory to get us to where we need to go.

I was just filming this conversation with a brother online too.

It's funny, I don't normally talk about hip hop, but he was talking about hip hop because we were having a conversation about Africa, Bombada.

You heard about the brother?

No.

So apparently he's one of the found.

Well, not apparently, he's one of the founders of hip hop, but apparently, like, now that he's passed away, there's all these people coming out saying that he did all this pedo stuff with pet.

Pedo.

Yeah.

With young boys.

Yeah.

Okay.

And so that's what they said.

Yeah.

And so I'm like, if we don't have, you know, proof, if there's no definite proof, why are we having this conversation?

This is the same thing that they just did to mj.

We just recognized that, you know, MJ is not what they've been saying MJ is, you know, and everybody online is now praising mj.

It's like, man, where was all of this noise and praise when they was trying to tear his name and take it away?

His legacy.

Absolutely.

Like, you know, it's like we gotta be wise nowadays and recognize how they move and their moves.

The enemy.

Yeah.

Their moves are to destroy us.

Take away the legacy.

Yeah.

You talk about one of the founders of hip hop.

Just because they don't give him recognition don't mean we shouldn't.

You know, like, why wouldn't they want to destroy the fact that we came up with this.

This thing that is waking up the whole world?

Like, hip hop is everywhere and it's being used for so much good.

He's one of the founders of it.

So because he didn't die as wealthy as MJ died, he somehow doesn't have as much value as mj, if not more.

And I love mj.

Don't get me wrong.

I think Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson.

I think Michael Jackson is one of the greatest.

Two very prominent MJ's.

Yeah, true.

Michael Jackson, extremely prominent.

MJ's one of the.

One of the greatest artists of all times.

You know,.

There.

He has a definite shot to be number one.

Absolutely definite.

Yeah.

I don't.

I don't know anyone better.

I just.

No, I feel you.

I like to put that cap.

No.

1 Up.

He's definitely top.

You said top three, top five, whatever you said he could be.

I don't know anyone.

Any other artist that's better than who MJ is.

I don't know any other artists.

I'm just saying.

I feel you.

I just like to say one of.

No, I feel you.

He could be.

He could be that one.

He is a.

He's.

He's a contender.

Yeah.

But as great as he is, he didn't create pop music.

He didn't create Hip hop.

Respectfully.

Like, that's the difference between like a person who's driving a car and a person who makes a car.

Like he's, you know, African, maddest, should be more famous, he should have more wealth.

And so the fact that our enemies didn't give him that doesn't mean that, you know, he has.

Somehow has less value.

And that was the conversation we were having.

I understand.

You know, and I was just saying we should be, you know, deciding who has more value or less value in our societies.

Not them.

Just.

Just because they gave, you know, one person all the money and all the accolades and then tried to take it all away from them.

Absolutely.

And it's funny, like, one of the main things.

And this is not to invalidate, you know, the abuse of children.

Yeah.

Child.

Anything like that at all.

But one of the things that you can do to discredit to ones the most highest is to call them a pedophile.

Yeah.

So you have to be.

And I want to bring it down to what are the takeaways?

What are the lessons?

We are.

Because we're getting very good at that when we're assessing our own people to our own people judging that we're not even.

Yeah.

Assessing.

And we hear these accusations are.

The takeaway is we've got to be objective.

Absolutely.

And understand.

Okay.

What were they saying and what were they doing.

Okay.

And look at.

Okay.

What was accused and most importantly, where is the evidence.

Exactly.

That's my whole point.

That's it.

If we got proof.

I'm down.

Let's go.

Okay.

No, for real.

I mean, I'm not saying take away his legacy, but he should be punished.

Or, or, you know, it's a stain if it's true.

Ex.

And was there a court trial or anything like that?

He, I think he died before they came up with the results of it.

And like, okay, he was not found guilty.

Okay.

And there was no.

There's no evidence.

Yeah.

There's just somebody saying that this is what he did.

And maybe it is a couple people saying it, but I'm not.

I understand.

I watched the whole Bill Cosby thing go through.

I've seen many, you know, and all.

The kids that they blame that they said Michael Jackson touched.

All the children are saying, no, he didn't touch me.

So it's like, yeah, he went through all of those cases.

He fought against all of their parents who all were trying to get money.

So it's not far fetched to me that people would lie about this kind of stuff at all it's happened, so we have a precedent.

Exactly.

But I'm saying the takeaway is be objective.

Yeah.

Make assessments and judgment.

You got to base it on evidence.

Exactly.

And realize that God is the judge.

It's not.

At the end of the day, God is a judge.

You can't really.

You can't judge anyone based on what someone else has said.

Without evidence.

You're just taking one word against the other.

At every religious text, there's hearsay, rumors, gossip.

All of that are frowned upon.

Like, all of that is against the rules.

Like, and we just do it.

And you know, the court system is.

It's.

You gotta.

Luckily still, you gotta prove it.

Yeah.

You gotta prove it.

You got proven innocent until proven guilty.

And also you got to convince the.

All of the judges it's not a.

And I don't.

I want to get actual facts on this.

I don't think it's a majority.

I think in most cases you got to get order to get a guilty charge.

You got to get all of them.

Yeah.

Do you know the.

Do you know, like, if it's actually a majority or like, all the jurors have to be unanimous?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

The legal.

I'm not sure if it's state by state, but it.

I'm pretty sure there are some states where you have to have.

I've heard of hung juries, and I think it's hung.

You know, actually.

Yeah.

Hung juries.

When like, one person actually doesn't know.

I'm not going to.

No, that's a hung jury.

All it takes is one person.

So if the courts as, quote, unquote, unjust and racist they are, they even.

They have that high.

That extremely high bar and burden of proof.

Because you have to have that bar to judge someone and put them away, to take away their rights.

And that is, that.

That is like the.

That's what holds society together.

That's what makes us civilized.

You don't have justice.

You're not a civilization.

Not at all.

It's like one of the things I said to the broads, having the conversation was like, if they ever accuse you of something, know that I won't go ahead and say you did it until.

We got proof and tell there's evidence.

Because I would hope that they would treat me the same way.

That's right.

I don't want the system of justice where everybody says I did something and because they say it now, I did it.

That's some bs.

Nobody Wants that nobody wants.

That's chaos.

That's not justice.

And we've been on the.

You know, back when we didn't have.

I'm not gonna say we have justice now.

We got.

We have more justice now than we did back in the 40s, 30s and 20s when we were having lynch mobs.

I think for the.

For the sake of keeping the country civil, we have a semblance of justice that they can absolutely take away at any time they feel like it.

Absolutely.

You know, they could.

They could.

They keep up the facade as much as the facade helps.

That's right.

But if somebody is genuinely disliked by them, they will do whatever they want to.

That is true.

They'll make you disappear if they feel like it.

That's right.

You know, so I will say my kind of.

Can you give me that?

Or give.

For the sake of argument or just the sake of reality.

I don't know if it's better understood.

I feel you.

Okay, there we go.

The illusion is greater.

It's stronger.

I feel you.

They lie better.

They're very more.

They're definitely more technical with their.

More calculated.

Absolutely scientific.

Because if they got to be scientific,.

If they just admit that this is still slavery, the whole thing falls apart.

It's tough.

That's a tough game to keep on going once you actually meant actually slavery.

But it's.

Who wants to participate in that, Willy?

Get up and go to work every.

Day and then realize you're in a slave state.

Yeah.

Nobody wants to realize that.

Nobody.

It's unpleasant.

But you.

Like.

I love how.

I love how all throughout the hundreds of years of slavery, they like to act like, for the most part, we were just, you know, okay with it instead of the real.

The truth, which is we were fighting the whole time.

There were revolts and, you know, the whole time.

Yeah.

The reason why it ended because they got tired of 200 years worth of revolts.

They got tired of not being able to sleep at night.

The reason why it evolved into a new form didn't end well.

That version of it, that iteration of it.

Yeah, yeah.

They had to come up with machines to do it.

They had to continue to innovate the process until they figured out a way that works, because that wasn't working.

And the thing is slavery, it fixed the social strata that kept the.

The black African at the bottom of the social strata.

So everything else, everyone else can come up on top and have a functioning.

A Quote, unquote, functioning society.

So when slavery, save slavery, quote unquote ended.

Chattel slavery.

Chattel slavery ended.

We had to replace it with another institution.

The institution was incarceration and the president.

All of it, but specifically for the black man.

Yeah, incarceration in the prison industrial complex.

And you got to.

And I've actually, you know, try to think about.

There's millions of black bodies in jail right now working for pennies on the dollar.

It's slavery.

Right.

We don't, you know, I don't see it right now.

It doesn't mean it's not happening.

So I'm like that institution, it makes money.

And it is an institution that, that perpetuates itself because there are people that benefit from it.

It's very profitable, very profitable.

And there's also jobs attached with the people benefit from that thing existing.

There's a lot of prison wardens, guards, a lot of money to be made and a lot of owners.

Prison owners, Prison guards.

Yeah, it's.

There's a lot, there's an, there's.

It's an industry.

Yeah, slavery was an industry.

When you have things that are entrenched in an economy, you can't just wish them away.

No, because these industries have money that they can then use to pay politicians, run campaigns, put people in office.

And that's what makes these things.

That's, makes them seemingly intrans, like not able to go away.

So my point is, is how we view the reality of the president industrial complex is probably similar to how slavery existed back in the day.

Well, not everyone saw it, not everyone necessarily liked it.

But what could you really do about it?

You could, John Brown it.

Right.

You could raise.

You have a slave revolt, try to roll.

But that ended in slaves being killed, John Brown being killed.

It was ineffective.

So that's just the ones we know about because there was a lot of them that were effective.

A lot of slaves that ran away and got away.

Well, that's true.

That's true.

You know, it's like if they got rid of everybody on the plantation, it wasn't nobody to find them until somebody came to visit.

And that is, you know, that unfortunately that was.

The reality is like there was not a snapping of the fingers and everyone got away and it ended.

It was just the few lucky ones escaped and lived.

A tale to tail.

I wouldn't even say few.

I would say we don't really have an idea of how often, how many.

None of that.

It's just it happened.

Slavery happened.

There were slaves that, you know, Absolutely.

Wanted to stay next to massa.

And there were a bunch of dissatisfied slaves.

And the dissatisfied.

I mean, the number of slaves on every plantation outnumbered the number of, you know, masters and what you call them, Overseers.

Overseers, you know, they outnumbered them.

So it was like real talk.

All you had to do is have one that was just fed up, as I'm sure it was a lot of fed up ones.

You know, slavery existed and it happened, but they had to constantly buy more slaves.

And they were buying them young.

They had.

Well, they.

But they stopped.

They made it illegal to bring in more slaves.

So what did that mean?

That means they had to start making their own.

Well, they had to amplify that effort.

And I believe that's when slavery got really, really, really, really, really.

Like, it was never sweet, obviously, but when you start.

When you stopped having to import slaves from Africa or.

No, no, not slaves from Africa.

Human beings from Africa to turn them into the slavery in industry.

Yeah.

You had to turn to your current quote, unquote.

I'm gonna talk how they taught inventory to look at your inventory, and how do we duplicate our inventory?

That's when it got really gnarly.

And I say all this because I've done my homework.

I've seen my tree where it ends.

My, My, My, my genealogy homework.

And I've seen where my line ends in the slave line.

And there's a woman, Henrietta.

Henrietta Stampley, my great, great, great, great grandmother, who 18 children, something like that.

Crazy numbers.

And I saw that.

I saw.

I saw it in a.

So they didn't.

They did keep track of us, but we.

This.

It was literally in the U.S. census.

It was like inventory.

It had only like first names and age, and it had Henrietta and all of her.

All of her children under that.

And it was like 18.

And I'm like, that wasn't extremely uncommon, though.

Like, like, it was.

It wasn't common, but it wasn't extremely uncommon either.

Like, Like, I know people whose family is from 17, 16, 15, like in the teens.

Yeah.

Just today, where women only have one or two.

Yeah, that.

You know, a couple generations ago, it was fairly normal to have about five, six to ten brothers and sisters.

Like, that was a thing.

Very true.

Regardless to whether slavery exists or not, you know.

No, I feel you.

Yeah, I feel you.

But I'm just looking at the circumstances.

There is a.

My grandmother who was a documented slave, having 18.

So I'm like, okay, that was.

And I don't remember her.

I don't.

I can't recall.

I can't speak on her behalf.

But how much of that was just slave master in number?

Numbers, meaning Numbers, Numbers, numbers, numbers, numbers.

I don't know.

But I just.

I say all that because it's very.

The story is.

It's very real.

And I feel it in my blood.

And it's in my blood.

It's.

It's me.

It's a part of.

It's my.

Both sides of it.

Like, because I'm.

I am this color because I reflect the reality of slavery in this country.

Yeah.

You know, absolutely.

Like, I'm not.

I'm not a mulatto where one of my parent is white and one of my parents black.

Both of my parents are black.

My mom just looks like me.

And because we come from people who are mixed down the line, like, we come from slave, master and slave.

That's just what it is.

No, that's a fact.

That's what it is.

And I. I don't fight it.

I just have to be real with it and I have to grapple with, you know, the, I guess, the confusion in my DNA and about, like, who am I and what's going on?

You know, I mean, you only really have to grapple with it when you look at it from the lens of the way we speak today or the way we think today.

When you think about the fact that, like, race is not a real thing, it's a social construct.

When you think about the fact that they only created black so that they could have a slave class.

Not really a confusing thing.

It's just a.

We got evil in our DNA, like.

Yeah.

And that's the reality.

And evil didn't start with Caucasians, like.

No, no.

Evil was around since the beginning of time.

Beginning of all life wasn't Allah.

It started out as chaos.

That's right.

You know, all of it is a part of us.

And learning to master it is how.

There we go.

Glad you're bringing it back to last week.

Gotta master that beast.

Yeah.

It's not even.

It shouldn't even be something that's.

I got.

I got all kind of stuff in my DNA, and I don't.

I don't care about it because it's irrelevant to what I got to do.

Yeah.

You know, I. I can let that hold me back if I want to, but I don't have to.

It's.

You know, race is not a real thing.

All of my ancestors were reaching a goal and.

Yeah.

It's my job to Take it that much further.

Yeah.

Even the slave masters wanted something.

Right?

They wanted something.

And I stand on their shoulders and it's real.

I'm the fulfillment of all of the dreams and aspirations of every one of my ancestors.

And it's.

It's important not to dismiss that.

No, you know, you gotta, you gotta look at it.

No, I mean, it's a reality.

It's a.

It's what it is.

Is it me?

It's in us.

Yeah, but it's not it.

I should, I'm.

I don't look at it as good or bad.

It just is.

That's what it is.

You know, so it can't hold me back.

It pushes me forward.

That's right.

And it all happened because Allah allowed it to happen.

Absolutely.

So I think it's our duty to ask ourselves, okay, why?

Because Allah's ultimate goal is to make us all into gods.

That's right.

Children of the most high God.

And the way we do that is by knowledge, wisdom, and understanding.

It's coming into the understanding of who God is, coming into the understanding of who we are, into the understanding of who our ancestors are.

And then you will understand who, you know, where our future is, where we're supposed to be going.

That's right.

I look at it like a painting, and it's being painted actively.

Absolutely.

That we all have a little corner or a little part of that.

That tapestry to, to fail.

Yeah.

And so, yeah, to me, it's like I just want to fill my part, and I don't know how big or small my part is, but if I keep moving, I, I, I. Oh, yeah, I did that right.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, I did that wrong.

Let me backtrack and correct that mistake.

I think it's as big as we could buy it up.

As much as we want to, you know, as much.

Well, as much as we can responsibly maintain, so.

Right, yes, right, right.

But also as much as has already been planned for us by Allah.

Yeah, by the Allah in us.

Absolutely.

You know, because we.

The way the Creator works isn't like, I want to do this, so this is what I'm going to do.

The way the Creator works is.

This is the way it's supposed to be.

Because he sees all time as one thing.

It's already happened, and we just, we're walking into it, but he already knows it, you know?

You know, so to me, it's like our job is to, like, tap into that.

I feel you tap into that understanding.

Yeah, yeah.

And you feel it when you're doing what you're supposed to be doing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you get lost when you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing.

Yeah.

Or disoriented because you're off.

You're off the path.

Yeah.

You're off the path.

I. I'm.

I'm thinking of whether it's one path, whether it's a.

Multiple paths, whether.

Yeah.

Like, it's like to the degree that.

You're useful, the path continues.

I feel you.

You know, I feel like we're good.

Prophets live to be a thousand years old because they were that useful.

Yeah.

So that possibility exists within us.

That is very true.

Yeah.

I think I'm just like, when we go into, like, the possibilities and the numbers and like the.

We're going to like the realm of alternate universe.

It's.

It's a lot.

It's a lot.

And it's also.

That's a law land.

But I mean, we're limited to our imagination.

Absolutely.

You know, we are.

Our ability to have vision is.

Is the degree, you know, that we can create.

We can continue.

It's like, that's on us.

We get to choose, like you said.

Absolutely.

We just have to decide to.

Yeah.

And I think it's, you know, let's master one reality before we take on responsibility.

Multiple realities.

You know what I mean?

Let's be clear.

Like, we're.

We have it.

This one physical reality.

Allah is responsible for literally the totality of creation.

So we know that we have.

We're us right now.

Allah is Allah.

That's a lot of ground to cover.

Yeah.

Stick to this one.

Let us all.

I'm talking to both of us.

Let us master this reality.

Yeah.

And maybe it's just that's the steps.

Steps.

Depending.

Depending on how.

How sleepy I am when we have these conversations.

Depends on how grown did I stay right now.

I could float off into the universe.

I understand.

You know, that's my job.

Just to keep us at least one foot on planet Earth.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I need that.

I feel you.

What.

Why did you bring up mj, by the way?

You remember, because we were talking about the hip hop.

You started talking.

Oh, oh, yeah.

The totality of God.

Yeah.

That's with the Kendrick.

Yeah.

Kendrick.

Yeah.

Hip hop.

There we go.

It makes sense.

But I think the point is, is like, you know, taking the premise that black man is God, the collect.

Our collective experience is that.

And we have to view us as like, okay, we're in a certain condition right now because we're going Through a process of evolution to grow.

You know, so it's we, we, we reflect the reality that God is currently in.

And we're on the up and up.

You know, we're going through reboot or.

Reconfiguration, which we're the physical manifestation of his level of evolution.

Exactly.

Man.

There's work to be done, a lot of work.

And I've been thinking about, you know, Old Testament Allah, where he's like, okay, y' all are doing it.

I'm gonna destroy, I'm gonna destroy, I'm gonna destroy.

And then you read the book and you go to New Testament, he becomes.

Been more merciful.

And that's the story of Jesus, that it's more mercy as opposed to vengeful.

All of that is a, is a part of the evolution because of like exactly our level of understanding, you know, our capacity for understanding.

You know, the early humans had to be.

Oh, these, there's, there's no getting into them at all.

You know, I feel like the, the evolution that we're thinking about or even if that is a real thing, it's just growing up or being raised with more information and being able to, to hold on to that information and you know, actively move out with it.

And so would that translate into the.

In the physical world is just more beings on the planet that have the capacity for greater understanding than beings before.

Yeah.

Like when Jesus was here 2,000 years ago, he realized he came to ahead of his time time because their capacity was not there.

And so Minister Farrakhan today, the Jesus, the modern day Jesus, he's like, oh, this could be the generation.

Yep.

Because I'm here at the right time.

You know, Jesus understood he wasn't.

Yeah.

Far God understands.

He is.

Yeah.

It's time that's the difference.

Yeah.

Specifically at the time to usher in the new world, to usher out the old one.

The world of Satan and the world, the world of the satanic experiment of being ruled by the lower self.

Let's be very like objective and scientific with it.

Yeah.

Because Satan is us.

Like, it's okay.

No, it's that part being out of balance.

Exactly.

To being the physical being more valuable and important than anything else.

Boom.

So we, we, we had to pull out of us to be ruled by it.

Yeah.

To see if we.

They can master it.

We're in the can we master it?

Part right now.

Ultimately we, we know that we will master it.

So the question is moot.

But how long will it take us?

We will find out, sir.

Yeah.

Can it happen?

In this generation.

We will find out what all has.

To happen for it to happen.

We will find out, sir.

That's the must of the time and what must be done.

Amen, sir.

And that is.

That is the task ahead.

And it's not an easy one.

No, no, no.

We had to create this.

We had to create this problem for ourselves, to deal with what has been going in within us for trillions of years.

Yes, yes.

So this is a.

That's, that's the beauty of, like, Minister Farrakhan introducing Dianetics to the Nation of Islam.

Absolutely.

It was like a fast forward.

It helped move a lot of us that were stuck to another level where we could be a little bit more understanding of what it means to be who you are.

That's understanding of what it means to be God, you know, in, in this iteration of time.

Yes.

To be the, the physical expression of Allah.

Yeah.

In this instant, in its instance of time.

To the degree that we are just the physical, because we are also able to tap into the mental and spiritual.

Absolutely.

And to the degree that we find balance with those which I think humanity does more now than ever before, which to me is a sign that, you know, we are in those times.

Yes, we are.

It's a beautiful time to be alive.

Yeah.

And it's a beautiful time to actually use Dianetics to look inside to figure out.

The thing is, there's no mystery.

Look, we have the answers within us.

Yeah.

There used to be a mystery.

There's no mystery today.

There's no mystery.

No, there's.

We have a, A technology by which we could actually look inside and find the answers.

And trust you, they're all there.

It's what it is.

Like we.

It's not all sunshines, rainbows and sweetness.

It's, oh, wow, we're really.

The totality of creation.

Like, we're.

It.

We're just walking.

We just don't have the supreme understanding of all things ever.

Yeah.

But the answers for all things ever does live in us, and we can tap into different aspects if.

If we take the time to do it.

That is the world that Dianetics has opened up to us.

And that is a technology that the minister has introduced.

Not.

Yeah, well, he introduced it to us so we could actually discover and be aided in our journey, in discovering who it is that we are.

I mean, that's, that's what drives me for, you know, everything I want to do with the land, the, the idea of creating a, A, A safe space or a healing center or something like that.

Absolutely.

It's like, I believe in it so much.

I believe that we gotta figure out ways to make more of us get.

Be able to be comfortable to get access to it.

Absolutely.

You know, and if their problem is A, B and C, well, let's try to solve a B and C, you know, so that we can, we can not have no problems.

And actually get you to this, this life saving teachings.

Yeah.

That we were all told we need.

That's right.

You know, and we.

It's not brush passes.

We went to the land.

We haven't talked about it.

Was that two weeks ago?

About two weeks, yeah.

I went to work.

They came back.

Yeah.

No, two weeks we went to the land.

Myself, you, Tony, Brother Hayes.

And I can say my experience being there was just that.

Okay, first and foremost, one, this is our land.

I had the same feeling as it did on the farm of being at peace, being like, I, oh, I could, I could just be.

I don't have to do anything.

And being there, feeling it was beautiful.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the.

I mean, I don't.

I wouldn't find a better word for it.

That was it.

It was simple.

Yeah.

Beautiful.

We were like little boys exploring.

They call it black boy joy.

It was super black boy joy.

I would.

Yeah, it was.

I was not expecting because I.

This was my third time being there.

I wasn't expecting that level of joy and peace and contentment.

Every time I go, it's deeper, man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I felt that the.

The next level, the depths, it's like, okay.

Last time we went.

My Last time was 20, 23.

Before we started the really got to where we are now.

Before having the brick and mortar.

Now we have infrastructure.

And we went back and it's like, okay, now Allah's like, okay, I'm gonna take you to the mountain, to the land.

We're gonna go even deeper because we're getting ready for the next link.

And one thing that we came to the conclusion, you've already won this.

But I felt that this is for healing.

Yeah.

We have to bring our people here by the masses to heal.

We have not built the infrastructure for healing.

Yeah.

And we can't rely on Satan's world to heal us.

It can, it can.

No, no, it can assist.

There could be assists.

Like for example.

No, I mean the rely part.

Yeah, that's the.

At all.

Yeah.

But yeah, they can, they can assist.

We can't rely on them.

That's right.

No, we have to really.

We have to take the responsibility to taking ourself out of the environment that put us in the condition to heal ourselves.

And when I went there to the land two weeks ago, I really felt, oh, it's time to actually get this started.

It's time to really make this a reality.

Because it's been living as a.

As a dream in your mind for the past six, five years.

Yeah, it's been a thing.

It's been a thing in my mind.

It's been cool.

But going there and connecting the dots a lot was like, it's on the time.

It's on the back of everybody's mind who's in my orbit, everybody who's next to me, they're like, it's there.

This is.

It's just this thing over there.

You know, I can't even say it's been on the forefront of my mind as much as I want it to be, but it, like, in my head, it just continues to grow.

That's right.

And I have to, like, know, know, bring it back to reality.

Like, what can I start with?

Because it'll.

It'll never stop expanding, you know?

That's right.

It can continue to go on infinitely and forever.

And if I try to express that into somebody with an elevator pitch, there's no end to it.

So, yeah, keeping, you know, focused.

Healing.

Healing.

Making it a project.

Making it.

Because when you have it as a project, you have a clear.

You have a clear goal, you have benchmarks, you have things that need to get done.

And with that, you can determine, oh, how much does this cost?

You could create budgets.

Then you can go to people who want to support and be like, I need this.

Are you willing to support this period?

Other than that, it's just a.

It's a dream, which is great, but you got to bring it down, and you bring it down to reality by creating a project having deadline, having just goals, objective goals, costs, and a plan.

Yeah, right.

Which is anchored by that vision.

Paradise Oasis Ranch.

Yeah.

Healing.

Healing Center.

Leave it at that.

And then you could ask our.

We ask ourselves, okay, what do we want?

What do we want?

What is.

What is our idea for a healing center?

What do we want here?

X, Y and Z, et cetera.

Then we go from all these columns of X, Y and Z, what are the requirements for X, Y and Z?

That we write that in?

And then we go, okay, how much does this cost?

Who do we need to go to for this?

What do we need to go to for that?

And we had great conversations.

We got.

Very real.

Yeah.

And one of the things that we came to conclusion of Is that art is the magnet.

Yeah.

And art is very, very therapeutic.

Absolutely.

And we have artists on our team.

You're an artist, he's an artist.

Bike.

Being able to tap into that, the artistry to it just to attract.

It's like the bait.

It's like the bean pie, you know, you know, you get.

You get a bean pie so you can open a final call.

Yeah.

You look at the art to get, to get.

To hopefully get the cognition and the realization that, oh, I am messed up.

I need to heal too.

They're talking about me.

This isn't.

This isn't just some thing over there for like hippies and Nation of Islam people.

This is, oh, I need this too.

Yeah.

And it's art that art captivates you.

And we've always been able to make it even through slavery.

Artists singing is art.

True.

We got.

We got through it.

We sang our butts off during slavery, you know, and we're still singing our butts off through the slavery of this existence.

And it's a beautiful thing.

So we have to be able to tap into the.

The artistry of ourselves to attract ourselves to the work that needs to get done within.

Absolutely.

So we got to that conclusion.

We discussed what the other.

I wrote them down like, oh, having ethics and being able to enforce the law.

Right.

Guidelines.

Yeah.

Ethics for sure.

If we're not on top of our own ethics and maintaining, you know, structure in our lives.

Yeah.

It's going.

It can get crazy.

And it's also.

It's not going to be any better than the world.

It's not going to be healing.

Exactly.

If we don't.

The world doesn't have ethics, everyone.

It's willy nilly and people who do whatever they want.

So if we don't have in within the.

Specifically the Nation of Islam, we have a restrictive law.

There are certain things you can't do and be a part of our community.

Exactly.

That's what it is.

There's no if, ands or buts around it.

So it's not like we don't have.

We don't have to guess at an ethics.

But we have the restrictive law.

So we can start there.

Yeah.

And then we can start asking things about what.

What else do we need that could amplify this specific to how to live in a community on land?

I don't know the answers.

I'm just putting it out there as we.

Because now I'm in.

I'm in board meeting mine now.

Because now we're talking like land and projects which that's the world in which I live.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So to me, it's.

It's.

I know ultimately, we.

We want to do something for our elderly.

We want to do something for our women who want to be able to give birth, which means we want to be able to not only house them, but also their husbands, you know, so they can have a place to stay while they're doing that.

And if they end up.

If they end up needing somewhere to stay longer, because the country we live in doesn't give you a break for having a child.

You know, you got to go back to work within two months.

It's like, we need to be able to consider how can we employ them and.

And.

And give them housing until they feel like, you know, they want to go back and get, you know, whatever they want to do.

Yeah.

Like, it.

To me, it's got to be about a holistic approach.

Boom.

Good word.

You know, and then.

And then also, I want to.

I want to consider.

I don't.

I don't know how this part of it will work, but I think it's important.

Our.

Our formerly incarcerated brothers and sisters, they.

They need to heal as well.

Yeah.

You know, we need a place where they can come and not have to go right back into a society that has no place for them.

We need a solution for what's called recidivism.

Right.

When you go back into the system.

Yeah, that's the word.

Yeah, Recidivism.

Like, okay, well, you went.

We had this conversation that you go from one.

One.

One prison to another prison.

Yeah.

You go to the prison of prison, and you go to the prison of the streets.

Yeah.

And so you're just jumping between the two because there wasn't a plan for you.

Yeah.

You're just.

You're just an animal in the cage.

And to me, it's important that we create a plan for them.

There you go.

You know, we have to create that plan, and that's our job.

Yeah.

This is the plan, actually.

We're talking about it.

And I know that that sounds daunting, but it's like we'll have to make.

Make it look like we're offering just a job, because if you get into the psychology of somebody who's.

Who the world has turned their back on them, they're going to be like, no, that sounds like a trap.

You want to take me to the paradise?

You want to take me to the desert?

Paradise Oasis Ranch.

I'm good.

Yeah, thanks.

Not just for the.

That sounds like a cult.

No, it's real.

No, that's very real.

Yeah.

No.

Wow.

Huh.

Not just our incarcerated brothers, but also our homeless population, you know, and so, yeah, to me, it's like start them off with work that they absolutely know that we could train them on.

Absolutely.

And pay them fair wages.

Yeah.

Something that they can, they can, they don't even need while they're down there.

They can just bake that.

Yeah.

And for, you know, a couple months of work.

But while they're there, they have to submit to the ethics and the system of discipline.

No, absolutely.

You know, that's, that's the cost.

We're waking up and praying.

Yeah.

That's the cost.

Even if you don't want to pray, you're waking up with us because the Aldon is going to be playing.

That's right.

We're going to be eating together, breaking bread together.

You got to be civilized.

Yeah.

You know, you got to submit to the system, discipline.

Yeah.

No, you can't.

That's.

That's the cost.

If you, if you, if you want,.

If you can, if you can tolerate being, you know, submitting to the system, you'll come out of here with everything you need in order to go ahead and survive on your own.

That's right.

And my goal is, I don't want them to want to go back into the society and try to get a job and try to submit to the system.

I want them to come out of this, like, now I know how to grow my own food.

I need my own land.

That's right.

And I want to be able to pay them enough within the first couple months where they'll be able to actually go buy some land.

There we go.

You know, that's my goal.

Like, yeah, great.

Yeah.

And then, you know, our elderly, they're.

They're going into these like, old folks homes when they get to a certain age and there's no love there.

And I feel like there's a way that we can, we can partner the elderly who have all this wisdom that they've amassed over time with incarcerated and homeless people, and then they'll be able to help them move around while these people are getting, Gaining wisdom, like, and just interacting with a person that needs them, that all of these people will feel needed.

Boom.

There you go.

That's it.

We have to feel needed.

Yeah.

Because we're talking about populations of us that discard.

We all feel the level of discard being.

We all know what that feeling is being black people.

We know what it's like to be able to scarce.

Yeah.

But you're talking about that to another degree.

When you've been incarcerated or homeless, like, that's come at the whole of the level of being tossed away.

We counter that by making them feel needed.

Yeah.

You have value, and your labor is needed, and we're going to pay you for it.

Yeah.

Here is the agreements that you have to follow to be a part of this community.

They will.

We'll lay out the agreements in advance.

And being transparent with us, like, listen, we understand, like, but this is what it is.

If you want a better life, if you want an opportunity, this is.

You're going to have to pay a cost.

And being transparent with that, no finastery on the front end will weed out the people who are just going to be like, actually, you know what?

I want the world.

You know, I'm gonna.

You know, I feel y', all, but I want to drink and I want to do.

I want to do worldly stuff.

And I'm.

I'm fine that if that's, you know, then this isn't for you.

This isn't for you.

You know, and that's how we have that.

But that's how we maintain.

It's a corporate word.

I don't know.

Better way to say quality control.

Order.

Order, no.

Order.

There we go.

Perfect.

No, that's what it is.

Because you don't.

You wouldn't want to put someone in the system where they feel like, oh, well, you guys are just no better than jail.

You agreed to it.

I mean, you could leave.

I. I don't, like, I don't even believe that they would feel that way, but I'm a little biased, so I get it.

I think that the best way to make this successful is for it to be a aesthetically pleasing boom.

And Hayes talked about, like, we have to, like, this can't be ratchet, you know, this gotta be.

We have to have high aesthetics and have a high quality like.

Like it.

Like resort.

Yeah.

Beautiful.

Yeah.

As we're calling it heaven.

Yeah.

And there's no reason why we can't do that.

We have artists.

We have the ability to make it look super duper fly.

We have to hold our own stuff to the highest standard.

When we, all of us, we have good taste.

We like nice stuff.

We do.

So why.

Why would we not produce anything less than our.

Our standard.

Yeah, our standards are high.

I. I don't even see how we would attract our families to this, let alone, you know, people who don't know us.

Yeah.

If it's not aesthetically pleasing Absolutely.

It's got to be beautiful.

It's got to be like, wait, whoa.

I got to get that.

It should deserve the name Paradise Oasis.

Exactly.

When you see it, you'd be like, okay, Paradise Oasis.

That makes sense.

That makes perfect sense.

This is the vision.

I see it.

Oh, I got to do that.

Yeah.

Okay.

It's probably worth it.

I can live here, you know, All.