Sallyanne Monti always thought that her story was already told. Growing up in the same Italian-American Brooklyn neighborhood as the characters in Saturday Night Fever , getting married to her high school sweetheart and having four kids, she was on the path that was always expected of her. That’s until a typo in an email address would change her life forever.

In her memoir, Light at the End of the Tunnel , Sallyanne details her journey from New York to California, from a married mother of four to editor and author in the Golden Crown Literary Society, a non-profit dedicated to promoting lesbian-themed literature. Light at the End of the Tunnel won the non-fiction award at the 2019 Imaginarium Convention and Sallyanne’s personal journey is littered with paranormal events that seemed to be leading her towards her destination.

From apparitions of her mother to psychics who knew things they couldn’t have, to the “gut punch” that Sallyanne has repeatedly felt on days when her life would change forever, her story is how listening to your intuition, and following the signs can lead you to your destiny.

In this episode, we talk to Sallyanne Monti about the paranormal signs in her life that eventually led her down the path to discovering her true self and that would change the course of her destiny and how we all can keep an eye and an ear out for those signs in our own lives.

For more on Sallyanne’s life and writing, please check out her website at www.sallyannemonti.com and if you’d like to learn more about the Golden Crown Literary Society, you can find them at www.goldencrown.org.

Welcome to See You on the Other Mike, where the world of

the mysterious collides with the world of entertainment.

A discussion of art, music, movies, spirituality,

the weird and self discovery. And

now, your hosts, musicians and entertainers

who have their own weakness for the weird, Mike and

Wendy from the band Sunspot. Episode

285, Sally Ann Monte is an award winning

author, editor, and storyteller. Her

nonfiction book Light at the End of the Tunnel, a memoir,

won the 2019 award for best

nonfiction book at the Imaginarium Convention, and

that's where we met Sally Anne for the first time. And she

is currently the director of marketing for the Golden Crown

Literary Society, a short story author and

a memoirist, and, you know, a great

storyteller in her own right, Sally Ann also has had a lot

of different paranormal experiences in her Mike. We wanna talk about

how those paranormal experiences, whether it be

coincidences or apparitions or things like that, have

affected her storytelling and, the way she

communicates. So joining us from lovely Palm

Springs, California, Sally Ann Monte. Sally Ann,

how are you feeling this fine day? I'm feeling great, Mike. Thank

you so much for having me on. I was so happy to meet you and

Wendy at the Imaginarium Conference in 2019.

Yeah. And just to give people some background, we know you're a storyteller. We know

you're an author. But how did you get there?

Like, you know, where where did you come from? What's your start? Where were you

born? Well, I was born in Brooklyn, New York, and

I moved to Bensonhurst, Brooklyn when I was 2 years old, or I

was told that's what happened. Okay. And, and Bensonhurst

Brooklyn became very famous in the late '70s when

John Travolta walked through it, eating pizza,

carrying paint cans, and revolutionizing

disco. It was filmed in my neighborhood. In

fact, I used to go to the disco with the dance floor

that lit up. And, and it was a very,

it's a pocket of Brooklyn that hasn't really changed

much. I love that dance floor. Everything, and

it just kinda carried for it. So that's kinda where I started. You know, I

love that, dance floor from,

Saturday Night Fever. It's one of my favorite. It always makes me think about it.

I used to watch a show called Dance Fever with Danny Theriault when I was

a little kid, and it was so ridiculous. But,

no. That's a that's a great, introduction as to where you're from

because a lot of us have seen saronite fever, and we think about that neighborhood

and are familiar with it. So that's that's a perfect kind of introduction to where

you're from. And when was the first time you you had some

kind of experience where you thought, hey.

Maybe this isn't grounded in the same kind of reality that I was expecting to

happen? Well, you know, it's interesting because from a very young

child, I had and got gut feelings, very

strong gut feelings. But I'd never I didn't always recognize

them, but I can go back into probably as far back as 5 years

old. I just felt like I was

going to live in California one day. I mean, growing up in Brooklyn,

especially in Bensonhurst, it's a very, it was a Catholic,

or Jewish neighborhood. It was Italian people, Jewish people, and that

was it. And you lived you grew up, you were born there,

you lived right there where you were born within a few blocks. You

spent your whole life there, and that's where you exited the earth

for this part of the journey. But, I always

felt like I was going to I wanted to live in California. I

knew nothing about California. And I was in kindergarten.

I drew a picture of the Golden Gate Bridge and brought it home to my

parents and said I'm going to live in California. And they looked at me like

I was crazy because here I am in this little California. And they looked at

me like I was crazy, because here I am this little Italian Catholic girl who

is supposed to, you know, get married and move upstairs from my parents and make

babies. So, they were like, yeah, yeah. But that's

my earliest recollection

of spirituality and gut feelings. And it did come to

fruition. It ties into my memoir. And

I've had Mike entire life has been driven by gut feelings and

defining moments. So you say gut feelings and

defining moments, that kind of intuition that we talk

about. So you've always had some kind of attraction

to California, attraction to the West. When it ties

into your, you know, your light at the end of the tunnel when you talk

about your memoir, did you start to feel, like, coincidences

or synchronicities or things like that that kinda tied into your move that

made you that gave you that feeling? I did. I

you know, growing up, I always knew when I was gonna meet

somebody that was gonna change my life because I would it would almost

feel like I got gut punched, and it would happen randomly

just for no reason at all. And I didn't know what it was when

I was younger, but when I was in my 20s I really

started to pay attention to it and manifest that.

And, I was in my early 30s and it

was 1995 and I was I

had 4 little kids. They were all in school. I had

a job. I was also volunteering as a teacher in a preschool. All kinds

of stuff. I had a very full life. And I was coming home

from work one day and I got to the corner of my street, stopped at

a stop sign, and I had that gut punch. It was

more than an intuition. It was that punch. And,

and what went through my mind was involuntary. And I and

And my mind said to me, it

just ran my life in front of Mike, involuntarily, from

a small child up to the point where I was, all these defining moments, you

know, growing up, going to school, getting a boyfriend, getting

married, all of these things. Having a job. All these things just flowed through me

up to the point where I audibly said, on this

corner, I better

appreciate this life that I have because something

huge is going to happen. I just knew it. I didn't know what it

was. And that was in May of 1995. And

sometimes these feelings come to fruition right away. And

sometimes they take years before something real happens

and I can tie it to that. But this one, happened in

August of the same year. I met a

woman named Mike Neil on, through a misguided email.

And back then, we're talking late nineties. No Internet, no

no, address books. Everything was DOS driven.

AOL was making a fortune by the minute. That's how people

connected to each other. There was, there was no web. None of it.

So I had sent an e mail to a friend of mine who lived a

couple of states over and I left the number one off and it

went to this woman named Mike who lived in

California and our lives exploded from

that point forward. We became we just knew we were

destined to meet each other. We became instant friends

and it just exploded to the point

where now this is August of 'ninety 5. By

September of 1996, I had sold my

house in Staten Island, New York, and me, my

husband, my ex mother-in-law, the 4 kids, we all

moved to California with our various pets. So what was

your, I mean, that original email that you sent that, you

know, went to Mike and you became friends, when you say it was like a

misdirected email, what were you emailing about? I was emailing

a friend of mine. We were just conversing about music, and his

email was sticks@netcom.com.

And Mike email was sticks 1. And because she didn't

have an address book, you had to always type the email. So sometimes you just

messed up the email. And that's what happened. It went to this, to Mike,

and she wrote me back and said, well, you must be sending this to

Thomas because I don't know who you are, but I keep getting this email. Everybody's

leaving off the number 1, and that's how it started. Okay. So this Styx, s

t y x, like the River Styx or like the band Styx?

S t y x. Yes. Okay. Were you guys big fans of the

band Styx? That's why they had those names. Or was it just more like a

River Styx kinda thing? No. It was my friend

Thomas was a drummer, so that's why he was Styx. I

see. I see. Was tall and thin, and her mom used to call

her Mick the stick, and that's why she picked Styx as her

email. And I think Sticks, s c I c k, wasn't available. So

Right. They went with all of that. Okay. So it wasn't just Mike they were

just like, okay. We love mister Roboto so much. We're gonna get an

email address. Okay. Fair enough. It would have been

oingo boingo if it was that. Okay. Hey. Alright. Danny Elfman. He's

pretty cool. Yeah. So you're getting there. And now how did you

convince the whole family? Like you said, you're like, okay,

you, your ex husband, your mother-in-law, and

4 children, and how old are the kids? And a dog and a turtle.

Right. A dog. How old are the kids in mid-1990? Our baby our

baby was we had our baby was 6,

our son was 6, our youngest daughter was 7a

half, and then our other 2 daughters were 10 and 11.

And what was the deciding were you like, you know what? I kinda just wanna

move. I mean, what was your I mean, what was your husband like, hey.

Well, I gotta find a job and stuff like that, or was he ready to

go? Well, interestingly enough, he had a city job. He worked with the New York

City Transit Authority, and Rudy Giuliani was the mayor at

the Mike, the Giuliani. And,

he had revamped New York City financially.

He cleaned up Times Square at that point. He,

reallocated funding, and he laid

off a ton of city workers. He condensed

services. And my ex husband worked for New

York City Transit and he'd been there for 15 years and done the

nights and the weekends in the in the not so safe neighborhoods.

And, that's where they were gonna send him back. They said we're not letting you

go. You have seniority. But you're going to have to go to the South Bronx,

which was a tough neighborhood, and be a token booth clerk

even though that wasn't his job, he was a warehouse manager. And they said that's

what we can offer you. And in all seriousness, they

were putting token booth clerks on fire in those days

through Oh, man. Throw bombs into the little,

little slot. And so it was a really dangerous job. And we had wanted to

move for many years. He had also, had

an interest in moving to California. We talked about it even

before we had children. We had a we had a puzzle on our

dining room table, with a 5,000 piece puzzle that

we had made of the San Francisco skyline. We had no idea why we

did it at the Mike, but it made sense when we started to become

after that we had a desire to move to California. And

Mickey became the catalyst for that because

we didn't wanna leave his job, and his job wasn't

viable anymore. Because that position was a position he couldn't live

within our family didn't wanna have that risk. So, it just

felt like everything happened for a reason, and that's how we wound up moving

to California. I remember New York City like you said, the Times Square and

stuff like that. I so New York City in in the early 19 nineties. I'd

always read about this guitar store called Manny's Music

in, like, guitar magazines. And I'm like, oh. And so one we spent one summer

in, Fairfield, Connecticut, my Mike. And my mother is

like, oh, we'll go into the city, and we'll go to see a Broadway show

and stuff like that. I'm like, oh, I wanna go see Mandy's music, and I

wanna see all these, you know, different locations of rock

clubs and things like that that were exciting to me as a 16 year old

or whatever. And, we go out there, and I'm

like you know, I was almost my mother was almost embarrassed. She's like,

half these places are porno theaters Or, you know, all the

and Maddie's music ended up being tiny. It was still historic and cool. But,

you know, Times Square at the time was also very different, I would say,

than when you go now, and it's a lot more family Wendy, and it's just

a lot different. That idea, I I remember just walking through me, like,

even as a 16 year old being like, oh, man. Even

I'm a little embarrassed for these places to go with my mother. Yeah. You're much

younger than I am. I'm 58. In fact, I'll be 59 next

week. But Oh. Times Square was was, triple x theaters

and pornography and peak shows and all kinds of stuff like

that. And, you know, and and Giuliani really

eliminated all of that and and made it what it is today. So

but it had a ripple effect. Right. And the ripple effect was your husband's job.

Yeah. It was the one thing that tied us to New York because,

we had tried to move to other states, and it just didn't feel right.

But that job was the one thing because my job was more fluid, and I

could get you know, I was more of a stay at home parent. At that

time I had curtailed my career and I was doing

the, you know, shuffling the kids all over in a part time work

position. He had the full Mike responsibility. So that was the one thing

that was keeping us in New York. And when that came off the table and,

and meeting Mike, it all opened up Mike a

vessel. I mean, like, it was an

amazing time. The energy around us was insane.

And and and we were able to sell our

home and move cross country with, you know, with all the

kids and all of that. So it really was an adventure. And so you'd always

felt drawn. You felt compelled, and,

you met somebody who you clicked with right away, and,

that gave you a reason to go out there and and a reason to leave.

Yeah. Were you finding that you were having any other kind of,

you know, things at the time that seemed to be

weird or out of the ordinary or little coincidences or little synchronicities that

kinda stuck out where, you're Mike, this is the absolute right

decision for us? Was it were there little things that led

you to have certainty in that

change? It was kind of a big thing that happened that led to

certainty because naturally Wendy we told our families that we were

doing this, you know, people

thought we were crazy. You know, we were very much New Yorkers

living in a very narrow minded society

in the inner boroughs of, New York City. At

that time we were living in Staten Island. And the

culture back then was still you pretty much

grow up and stay where you are born, within a

radius. People just don't leave. In fact, when they go on

trips and they travel, they don't often travel very far. I mean, that was

what I was raised in. That was the neighborhood we were living in. That's what

our kids were raised in. But when I was 6

months pregnant of my our first child, our

daughter, my mom passed away in 7

weeks from, cancer. From 7 weeks from

diagnosis. And she was 44 years old. And it was devastating

to our family. And after our daughter

was born, when she was about 3 weeks old,

I was having a rare moment of sleep because, you know, you

have a baby, they don't sleep that well when they're newborns. But I happened to

get a couple of hours of sleep. And I felt like

somebody shook me, like pushed me on the shoulder. Somebody

would say Mike up. And I opened my eyes and I looked and

standing in front of me was my mother. And she's wearing this nightgown

that she always used to wear, this white flowy

nightgown. And I looked at her and she

smiled at me and she kind of hugged herself.

And she, Wendy, she pointed to

the baby's room. And I remember because I was still,

obviously with my husband at the Mike. I I woke him up

and I'm Mike wake up wake up because, him and my mom shared the

same birthday. They were very, very close. But by the time

he woke up she was gone. So I had had that

happen where my mom had visited me and it happened

again in our house in Staten Island. The first incident was in Brooklyn.

We were living upstairs from my parents at the time. And we

moved to Staten Island, had our own home, and,

and it happened again. I was sleeping, and it was in the

midst of all of this should we should we not move to California type

thing. I woke up just out of a dead

sleep, and there was my mom again. Just standing there

and looking at Mike, and she nodded her head, and she was gone.

Gone. So, both

me and my ex husband took that as a sign because her

influence on us was, was very strong. Even

though she wasn't around on our, you know, in our consciousness

anymore. So, so that

happened. And in fact, she's reappeared in,

in Sedona. We have a second home in Sedona. We can talk

about that now or we can talk about that later. No. I mean, I would

say, let's real quick, let's talk a little bit about this, your

mother and how she seems to be some kind of,

paranormal influence, or at least she appears to you in times

where you're looking for does it seem to be Mike a

crisis or you're looking for direction? I mean,

obviously, shortly after a newborn child,

I mean, if I remember correctly, it's always like a crisis.

Yes. It's pretty stressful. But also Wendy you're having

first one. You know? You're not you don't know what you're doing. You gotta figure

it all out. But when you're having a, you know, a crisis of your faith

in, like, I'm gonna leave what I know. I'm gonna leave the place I've lived

in all my Mike. And then she appears again to either give you

direction or to give you comfort. So you have a couple of things right

there. And now the next time she appeared, was something

happening in your life in your home in Sedona? And we'll get back to how

you got that stuff. But is it that same kind of vein that you

were going through something and then she appeared when you needed her? Not too much

in Sedona, but the next time I saw her was not Sedona. It

was during, I'm trying to

think if we were in California. So she came to me

before we moved to California. And then while after we

moved to California, you know, Mike and I,

our relationship exploded. And we were,

and and Mike my memoir, Light at the End of the Tunnel, is about

this this love story between Mike and I. We were both

married for for 20 years to our husbands,

and we fell in love. But when we were in California

and all of this was starting to unravel

in our in my house in California, the same thing

happened. My mom came to me, she was standing right by

the bed, and she didn't say anything.

And I wasn't sure what that message was. So a friend of

mine, knew a psychic,

and, a very legitimate psychic, and Intuit.

And I had a reading with this person, and she didn't

know who I was. There was no Facebook in those days. There was no way

to kinda, you know, check everybody out. Right. You know, you can talk

about things that are right there. She didn't know anything about me at all.

And, and the first thing she said to me is your mom

isn't on this planet anymore. And I said, yes, that's right. And she

said, well, she's standing right here and she's wearing this

white nightgown and this white flowing nightgown.

And she's holding the hand of a little girl. And my mom

had had a miscarriage before me. I was the first,

live birth Mike parents have. I had 2 brothers and Mike, but before me

was a miscarriage girl. And, so I didn't say

anything to the psychic. I was like, oh my gosh. You know? But she

went on to say, your your mom said

to tell you, she understands what

you're going through and she's okay with it. She accepts

you as you are. So I'm like, yeah. Okay. That's kind of a generic statement.

You know, anyone could say that. But then she

said this. She said, your mom said to

tell you that her feet are okay. They don't hurt

anymore. And my mother used to get terrible

cramps in her feet for her entire life.

In fact, she probably had thyroid cancer undiagnosed.

She had a tumor in her neck. And that is a symptom of

thyroid issues. Mike wife had thyroid cancer and she

was getting these cramps in her feet. So this psychic said

to me, your mom said her feet are okay. They

don't hurt anymore. And that was a big deal to her. So,

there was no doubt in my mind that this person was

communicating to me, you know, on behalf of

my mom. And so, and that's when my marriage was dissolving.

Mike and I were figuring out we were in love with each other. And, you

know, there's kids involved and husbands and houses and

jobs and properties and all of that entanglement

that it, you know, it all

unraveled over time. But in that first communication with

my mother about this, I was

shocked because one of the biggest things in my

mind to keep me in my marriage

and and and have me not walk

towards the true person that I am, which is a lesbian, and I've

been one my whole life and had no idea until I was

34 years old. But once I knew, I could trace

back to things that were Mike, oh, that's what that was about.

So it was really kind of, one of the most major

defining moments in my life was that experience. And the experiences

in Sedona were of a different nature. They were not

based on a stressful, anxious situation. But okay.

So the psychic though so she really amazed you

by talking about the stuff about your mom saying she's okay with what's

going on and the, you know, the problems with the feet and everything.

Was there anything in particular, like, when you said you kinda you know, it's it's

a big deal to leave somebody you've been married to for

a long time and then like, with children and everything, and you're on

the other side of the, you know, country from where you're all from and stuff

like that. And and Mike you said, you didn't know that,

you were a lesbian before it kinda hit you, and then you're

like, oh, okay. That makes sense. Right? And so you're going through that.

And so as that's developing and I know you go over this in light

at the end of the tunnel, but were you finding

little things in your life that so you met this you know, you

met your wife by accident by just getting the

name wrong on an email. And this would

eventually, you know, lead you to change your life completely. Were you

finding other accidents, like random things that kept on,

was it almost like you were blundering towards your eventual destiny?

It felt like that because, there were other

things that, that became defining in my

life that were just hints in my in my past. And then as

things started to unravel, I always had a pull towards

Melissa Etheridge, her music. And you know, not because

she was a lesbian. That didn't mean anything to me Wendy I start listening to

her music. I was supposedly a straight person with a bunch of

kids and a husband. But I was always drawn to

her music and to her messages of truth and I

never understood why. And in,

after I moved to California, Mike and

I, wound up going to a

Melissa Etheridge concert together, just the 2 of us. It was a

random act. It wasn't planned. We just wound up getting these tickets and

we went. And it turned out to be,

a defining moment in the sense that in in at

that event, it became very obvious to us

what our relationship was going to be, what

what what was really going on between us. Also around that

time, you know, we were I was seeking guidance, spiritual guidance.

I was raised Catholic. I had let go of my Catholicism.

It was not a helpful, spirituality

for me. It was guilt ridden. It was, I didn't have a

positive experience with that religion at all from a young

child. I always felt Mike you'd go to

church and be shamed. I never wanna came home feeling

good about it. And I was very involved in the church. I was I was

in the teen club. I was in I ran events for the church. So I

had really immersed myself in in in organized religion,

but I felt this incredible pull towards spirituality.

And a friend of mine and I, went to see a

Buddhist monk. And as soon as I stood in front of

him and he looked at me, he called out

Mike right away. And he called her out by name.

And he said, this person is here to give something

back to you. And this person is meant to be in your Mike,

but he could never tell us what it was that she

was gonna give back because it we neither one of us got the

sense it was something physical, you know, like some

kinda object. We had the sense it was some something deeper, something on

a spiritual level. Still haven't figured that out. Well, so when but when

you when did you go see the monk though that it was this wasn't before

you guys had met or anything that he had called a name, like,

before you knew each other or anything. Right? This was when we were in

California. Okay. And Mike and and Mickey and I

were still in our marriages to our husband, and I was I had

a pull towards this Buddhist temple. I just for no reason whatsoever.

And I used to drive past it. I had a client right there. And I

told my friend, I just feel like we need to go to this Buddhist temple.

And she's like, oh, I heard about that temple. There's monks in there, and they

do numerology and other readings. So we wound up going there.

And and as soon as I had my reading with this monk,

you go and bring bring your birth date and some other

what time you're born and some other things. And the first thing he

said to me is there's a woman, it starts with an m, and

she's here to give something back to you. And I

couldn't believe what he said because I hadn't told him anything about

anything. Well, I'd never gone to a Buddhist monk that

does, like, fortune telling kind of things. So I'm I'm really

interested in this because I wanna go now. So so what kind of so this

is a a Buddhist temple, and what kind of reading what kind of reading

was it? He didn't have cards or tea leaves there. What was he doing? It's

numerology. You have to go with your birth date, the date,

the time that you were born, and the city and state that you were

born in. Okay. And they use numerology,

and they do it by hand. There's no calculators or computers.

You know, they were Thai monks, so their language, you couldn't

really tell what they were writing. Sure. Because it was in Thai

language. So, it was, it was an

amazing experience. And I found that,

after that a friend of mine and I, we continued to go back to

this Buddhist temple whenever we were, my friend

was going through dissolution of her marriage, so we were kind of helping each

other through it, and, and we would go back to this

to these monks every so often, and,

they were in meditation. It sounds like everybody comes to

California to get divorced. Remind me remind me

not to move there. No. It just made me laugh when you think it's like,

oh, my friend too. And then everybody's but but the thing is, if

if you go, you need a change in your life. You know, that's always what

the you know, that's why the Red Hot Chili Peppers write a 1,000,000 songs about

it. Right? Looking and, you know, changing your life or seeing

what happens. So, you know, you're going through all that. And and number 1, I

am super interested in this in the, Buddhist numerology

specifically because, when you think about you think

about psychics like John Edwards, the people you see on TV, you know,

they can use your, their knowledge of English, their knowledge of

cold reading. They're not you know, they can they can use your acknowledgments,

your eyes, your you know, all that kind of body language to make

guesses. You know? Somebody who maybe their first

language isn't English, like you said, like a Thai

Mike, that makes it extra interesting to me because

they have, you know, if they were gonna read you Mike James the Amazing Randy

or something, they would have to use Mike, they would have to use a completely

different body language or a completely different, type of

read than a native English speaker would. And

so I wonder how you would do it just based on body language and all

that kind of thing alone. So that's that's an interesting thing. So that's a that's

a fun thing to learn. If anybody out there has any more experiences

with this kind of numerology, tweet at us at otherside talk. You

know, twitter.com/otherside talk. I wanna hear

about it. But going on, so, you know, you're

going through this. You have, like, all these psychic experiences where the psychics are

telling you your mom's okay to change your life. The

Buddhist monk's telling you, hey. This Mike person's in your life

for a, you know, a particular reason, you know, to give something to

you, to to change your life. And,

anything else happening around because, I mean, those are some big things right there for

people who don't know you're in the middle of falling in love with

someone completely new and in the middle something you wouldn't have

expected before. Were things happening in any of your family or your

kids having things that all kinda led them in that direction either?

Well, you know, it's interesting because I'm gonna go back just a

tiny bit. Sure. It's when I was about 15 years old.

I was invited to my neighbor's wedding, and it was a last minute

thing. I I was a kid. So they're like, hey. We got a bunch of

people that can't come the last minute, and these are next door

neighbors that are like family. We we we call them aunt and

uncle and, you know, so it's very close knit, just not blood relative.

And they're like, you wanna come to the wedding? And I was like, okay. I'll

come to the wedding. And I and my mother and I, my mom, of

course, was still alive then. We we went to the church when the while

they got married. And, and then but but they were inviting me to was the

reception afterwards in a big fancy Italian wedding in a catering

hall. But when we walked out of the church,

I said to my mother, something major is gonna happen

to me today. I don't know what it is, but I got that I

have this feeling. I've had this feeling before. It always something

always happens when I have this feeling. And I feel like it's going to happen

today. And that is the day I met my ex husband.

It was his cousin marrying my best Wendy, neighbor.

And we met at that wedding. He was my first and only boyfriend. And

we got married 4 years later. And all of

these, you know, just I've had this experience time and

time again where something major is gonna happen.

2 of our children are,

we have 4 kids, 3, 3 girls and a boy. The boy is

gonna be 30 this year, and our oldest daughter is gonna be

36. So they're adults now. Sure. But my,

one of my daughters left her career at

Hulu, and it was a very good job to

pursue her own business as an intuit and spiritual

counselor. She uses tarot as some of her,

as her tools. And is building a practice

around spirituality, intuition, and helping people

recognize that each and every one of us

has intuition. In some of us, it's

closer to the surface and we want it to be and we

manifest it. And the more that we do that, the more we see, the more

we hear, and the more we are aware. I'll talk I could

talk about some orbs in a minute related to that. Sure. But some

of us bury it. So, our

this one daughter has a practice, so and and,

she has even more intuition than I do. Well, I think it's

interesting here real quick. I mean, just just you're going into,

that you you talk about your gut punch, and then you had these several experiences

in your life. And you kinda come back to that, that you said, like, well,

even when I was 16, I felt like something was gonna happen, so much so

you said to your mom. And I don't know. When you're 16 years old,

you probably don't think specifically that that's the day you're

going to meet somebody that you're going to spend most, you know, a good

portion of your life with and raise a family, that kind of thing. And then

that kind of happens. And you get that beforehand. Like, I I would say that

things in my life happened to me out of left field, that I was Mike,

holy crap. How did that happen? And then all of a sudden your life changed.

To have that kind of, like, knowing, you know, that's

like, soldiers get that warning before they know when they're walking into

the battlefield or boxers before they get into the ring.

You seem to have had that something told you that your

life is going to change before you actually

even knew it was gonna happen. So that kinda intuition is something

interesting that you felt it for yourself. And do you think that with your

daughter's work, she's helping other people recognize it, or maybe

if she's sensitive, she can see something that's

gonna be happening to them. I think she, I I

don't know that she can see something that's gonna happen to them, but I

think she has the ability to help them tap into their own

intuition where they're able to see these things and feel these

things. Because the intuition

is there. It's kinda humming beneath the surface. And Mhmm.

You know, when you're young, your life is so busy. It's school. It's homework.

It's college. It's you get married maybe, you have kids or you have

a very busy job, whatever the case is, you're so busy

doing things that you miss the signals. But the signals are

there and if you pay attention to them they will guide you. It happened

to me in my career. I knew every time I had a career

change, it was based on a gut feeling and an intuition

that happened before. In one case, the

longest was it took 4 years. In the shortest

case, it took about a week before I had a

new job. I just knew it was gonna happen. And I'm talking about the jobs

that I were in were very deep rooted jobs where I was in it. I

was committed to the company. I was an integral part of the company. And

no way I'm gonna leave this company. But, yes, I did because something came

up. So, I've always paid

attention to that because it's always the gut

was so strong that I couldn't ignore it. And

one of our other daughters, not the daughter with the, intuitive

counseling spiritual practice, but our other daughter,

she gets gut feelings Mike me beforehand, and

they always real they they're always realized whatever it is,

whatever that gut feeling is, something happens within a period of

time. And our son has the same thing.

Now I believe our other, daughter does as well,

but her she's not tapped into that. And she's not manifesting

that. In fact, she doesn't have any interest in that. So in in her

case, I think it's gonna lie dormant. But we'll see. You know, she

has children, and we'll see where that goes. If, you

know, if it if it comes out in the kids in the next generation. Sure.

Well, the so that's something that you start feeling in the gut, then change

happens, and, you know, you're following your intuition

around, and now you're seeing your intuition be validated

from as you know, from a Mike, your regular kinda psychic

to, you know, the new astrological

reading from the from the Thai monk. So

as, you know, your life is changing and, you know, your, I

mean, your whole family situation is changing and stuff like that,

did you get any more, you know, messages that,

you were on the right path? I mean, it sounds like you get a bunch

already, but what was was there a final message where you're like,

you know what? I can't deny this any longer. I've gotta change?

It's interesting. 2019

was a banner year for me in my life. It it's it was a year

like nothing I've ex what I experienced in 2019

is Mike nothing I've ever experienced in my Mike, and I've experienced

some major things in my life. The meeting Mike, all

of these gut feelings, you know, moving from New

York to California. Now all these very, very big

things. But in 2019, I just had

and and again, this came in voluntarily. I just

had this, very deep feeling

that I had to walk through some major

fears that I still had in my life.

And do things that I've always wanted to do. And one of those

things was I'd like to become a keynote speaker. I'd like to

have done I've done I've opened done speeches and I've talked

classes and I've gone to conferences and delivered workshops,

but I really wanted to deliver a keynote about something I felt very passionate about,

which was collaboration and sharing and all of this stuff. Okay. Passionate about, which was

collaboration and sharing and all of this stuff. Okay. I

met, Steven Zimmer and Holly,

Philippe just randomly by accident.

And, on their show they're the ones they're the ones that run the

Imaginarium Convention in in Kentucky. Right? Right. I that's

right. I went on their show. I did not you know, that

whole, engagement led to me being a keynote

at Wendy Imaginarian Conference. So that,

fear was realized. I had a

desire to, become, become

a singer because I've always been a musician, but I've never had

the the guts frankly to sing. I would always get to the

point in a song that I was playing where I had to sing and

nothing would come out, even when I forced myself.

And and I've overcome that this year. So I've I've had a

lot of these things where where I feel

like I'm at spiritually and and in my

intuition is that anything

that I set my mind to doing is gonna happen.

And it's gonna happen faster than in in the past

in my life where because and again, I go back to being younger,

having more responsibilities and less free time

and all of that kind of stuff, especially raising kids, you

know, that's totally the focus. And now that that isn't the focus

anymore, the visibility for me

on Mike universe, the energy, and the and

the spirituality around me has

it's just exploded. It's been amazing.

And so how do you think that has had an effect on the way you

tell stories? Because so much of what happens in a paranormal or

a spiritual experience is,

is is inside the experiencer. You know, so much of a paranormal

experience is, well, you you kinda had to be there

to get it because it's hard to write

about what these kind of how these experiences feel.

Have you found in your own storytelling, as you say,

you've, empowered yourself and and you felt more spiritually

in tune, you know, with the world, you know, have you found your storytelling

been has been affected by these spiritual experiences or in

trying to describe them? I do believe so because, you

know, as a I'm a nonfiction writer. So whatever I

write is true. I

I do have some work that's published that is fiction, you

know, just made up stories, made up characters, and all of that. But the

majority of my, literary work,

non business, this is just what I'm doing now,

is is as a non fiction writer. So the things that

I experience find their way into my books, into my

poems. I'm I'm, I'm gonna release a poetry book

in 2020. It's and, you know, people,

not everybody appreciates poetry. And people who do

sometimes are, they have their taste for poetry

is very specific. So publishing a poetry book

is a big risk because it's, it requires a

certain audience. But this poetry book is is

based on spirituality, it's based on

connecting to another person on a deeper below the surface

level. The poems the book is called Poems and Provocations,

Loves, Pain and Pleasures. So the poems are about

meeting someone that you connect with on a deep level and

you're separated by miles. And

it's relevant whether you're in a friendship or a love affair. But

this book really speaks to has really manifested

a lot of the things that have come out in me as a

result of recognizing my own

intuition, spirituality, whatever you wanna call it.

I I find myself drawn to

I've always loved dusk and dark darkness,

but even more so this year. I was talking to somebody who

asked me the other day, do you think you're a werewolf? Because I

guess the way I was describing like, I wanna just go out and

sit on the front porch and watch the mountains because we have mountains right

across from our house. Sure. And when the when that sun starts to go

down and that dark starts to come, I just wanna be in it.

You know, there's crows flying all over the place. And I

paid very little attention to this up

until I would say a couple of years ago.

And so it's interesting

because I think you see these things. You

just can't feel these things Wendy you're, when

your life is busy or whatever it is that

blocks the spiritual essence from hitting

your brain and saying, woah. This you know, I

really I'm really drawn to this. I'm drawn to dusk.

I'm drawn to dark. It's where I feel the safest,

the calmest, the most serene is in this particular

environment. And that's something new for me over the

last several years because that's something I did not recognize in

myself as a child, but I do recognize it now.

I recognize always want to be out at dark and, you know, I

mean, you think, oh, it's lightning bugs and all of that stuff you see on

the east coast, but it really isn't. It's something deeper. It's an

it's a deeper need that gets filled

by something around you, some kind of stimulus. And that's

how, innate that feels to me. And it is in

my writing. It's in this new book that's coming out in Wendy.

Towards the end of the year, that book will come out. And, it is

in my short storytelling. And, you know, just a a

couple more things here. You were and I think it's funny that it was Mike,

well, you think you're a werewolf. There there is something,

you know, they call it in film and in photography,

when you say dusk, I mean, people call that magic hour

because of, the natural lighting,

is beautiful. And you have to, you know, it requires less work

to make a subject look great at magic hour when you're shooting

on traditional film. Maybe not so much with digital now, but

when you go back to traditional film, you know, they used to use it

and call that magic hour. And that's always the time between

light and dark, the liminal period. You know, it's why we feel

that, you know, fall, the time between the death of winter and the

life blooming of summer, the, that

that's the time where the the veil between the worlds is the thinnest.

And so being attracted to, like, dusk and that period,

between the dark of night and the light of day, those periods of

liminality traditionally are the points where people

have had more spiritual experiences. I mean, vespers I

mean, talking about Catholic, and the reason, like, the prayers and the bells went off

at dusk was that they were, you know,

they were encouraging prayer at that certain that certain time of day.

And so being attracted to that almost seems to me, instead of being

weird, see when it comes to the spiritual or the supernatural,

seems to be Mike, natural than anything

else. Like that's the time of day where you're going to do your magic

spell or that's the time of day where you're going to feel,

the most, you know, the most spiritual. Well, you know, that's really

interesting that you say that because I had not thought about that

or had any awareness about that. But I will say this and you might

have some thoughts on this. I've always been drawn to the

season to the to fall. That is my

season. And I remember, when I

was a kid, I couldn't wait for September to come

because you live in New York. Okay. The summers were brutal, but so what?

You're a kid. It didn't matter. What what attracted

me to the fall was going out at night,

putting on like a like a sweater, and

I used to I mean, actually up until having this conversation with

you, I thought it was the act of being

a kid, having your first little job. I used to sell Christmas

cards to the people on the block. And back in the day, you know,

before all of this instant gratification and technology,

you had to walk around the neighborhood and ring your neighbor's bells and show them

this catalog of sample Christmas cards that they could have their

names printed. And they would fill out an order form. And that's how I

made my money for the year. And I used to,

I couldn't wait for the fall, but and but

but I hated ringing the bell. I really didn't like

selling the Christmas cards. Right. But what I but I

loved being on my street out in

the dark in that cool weather where you get that chill up your

back and you put on you have a cozy sweater. You know,

the moon is illuminated. And I felt like, if this

was Nirvana, this would be my Nirvana. And well, that's I

mean, that that time of year, that that season,

is, you know, people, from the, you know, the

Druids on or whatever, they always associated that with more of

a, like a spiritual experience. So maybe you could have been

picking up on that, you know, even as a young

person. I wanna make sure we get to the, you know, you

talked about a couple of things earlier that, we already

have a couple of visitations from your mother, and then let's get to the let's

get to the later visitations from your mother as far as

she seems to have showed up at certain points in your life to help you

with hard decisions or at least to comfort you in whatever

direction you decided to go into, when was the next time you saw her again?

The next time I saw her was was in our house in Sedona. I

hadn't seen her for many, many years. And,

and our house is located in the village of Oak Creek.

And in because Sedona has several areas. But in the village of

of Oak Creek is Bell Rock, Cathedral Rock,

Castle Rock, and, Courthouse

Rock. And these rocks, especially Bell Rock,

put it this way. We we had some electrical problems in our house. We called

an electrician. He came. He couldn't figure it out. Could not solve

the problem. Didn't know what these switches did, why the lights went on

randomly. Had no clue, and this was his answer.

It's Sedona. This is what happened.

And the belief is, and I believe it, that this area

has an influx of spirits,

especially around Bell Rock because a lot of people throw ashes of

their loved ones on Bell Rock. In fact, my wife and

I told our kids if you're able to that's where we want to go

on Bell Rock. So, I was in our

house and I just turned my head and there was

my mom right there with this flowing white

nightgown in the foyer of our house in Sedona, and

she was smiling. And I've seen that and I've seen it

happen at least 10 times in the last 2

years. And my wife hasn't

seen it, but I've seen it. So

we have a friend who used to be a physics teacher.

She taught quantum physics in high school and she left her,

her career and education, to pursue

another thing, fitness related thing. Sure. But she's also

an Intuit. And we didn't know that because we met her as a

result of her fitness work. And we became friends with her, and

she came to our house. Well, I'll back it up a bit. Yeah. She used

to run a Zumba class. And in the middle of her Zumba class

in Sedona, she would run through the

class and swat oh, swat. She's swatting away

things. And we're Mike, what are you doing? What is it? She's like, these

damn spirits, they're everywhere. They're disrupting my class. So

this woman actually can see spirits,

if you believe that, which I do. She told us

if you go to Famous Pizza, that's the name of the pizza store, there's 2

of them. 1 is in West Sedona, 1 is in the village. If you go

to the one in the village, there's fairies there. In there, I've seen them

floating around. So that's her take on it. She comes to

our house in Sedona to hang out with us and have some coffee.

And we sit down, and we're chatting. She's there about 5 minutes, and she

gets up, and she says, excuse me. I have to do this. And

she lays on the floor. And she said,

I just can't take the chatter in this house. There are so many spirits

in this house. It's so distracting. I have to lay on the floor. And she

laid there for 20 minutes talking to us from a from a

prone position lying on the floor.

So, you know, these are the kinds

of things that are going around that that are that

that that are there that not everybody sees. In

Sedona, if I've taken pictures on my,

iPhone, and I can send you those pictures if you're interested. Sure. You

don't see when you take the picture, there's nothing there on the screen.

You don't see it. But after the picture is taken, there's orbs.

They're little green round dots, and some of them look like satellite

dishes. And I I, and there's a

certain one, and I believe that

these orbs follow Mike. And, a

psychic that I went to, confirmed that. And I

didn't tell her about these orbs. She said, you have spirit guides, and they come

they manifest in the in the shape of orbs, and they're around

you all the time. And, and she also told me my

mother and my grandmother, my maternal grandmother, my mom's mom, are

she said they're with you all the time. They're watching you. So that's

probably why I see my mom. I don't see my grandma. I'll

have to start manifesting that because she was the greatest

influence in my entire life. But anyway, so I have

these photos. And so we have 2 homes. We go back and

forth. And we're in Palm Springs now. And I take some pictures on the

front porch and there's the orbs. It's the same orbs that I see

in in, Sedona. Now

little green dots are subjective. Right? You can maybe get a

little green dot or dot is a dot. But these satellite dish

things, it looks like a satellite dish. It has, like, a bar. It has a

red dot. It has another blue dot at the bottom. It's a

fantastic visual thing. So that

that's happened and it's happened here. And, and when I

spoke to the spiritual person, they're Mike, those are your spirits.

They're they're with you. They're following you. Now has

anyone else experienced something in your house? Has your, your wife experienced Mike this? The

people who spend the most time there, have, you

know, any of your family members seen anything else in that house? Because it seems

like it when you talk about an interesting place and everybody putting their

ashes, you know, on the rock and everything,

that there might be a lot of energy there of some sort

or, you know, a lot of energy expended, and, you know, the

the the Zumba lady comes by and is Mike, I gotta take a break

and lay on the ground because there's too many spirits in the house. You

know, I would be like, well, that's probably too much wine talking, but that's just

me. But the thing is But it was, like, 2 o'clock in the afternoon,

and he was we just eaten Indian food

for lunch. I mean, that's There was no drugs or

alcohol or anything. And we've seen

her do this in other places. And I actually went to a class she taught

on quantum physics and how it relates to spiritual energy, which

was fantastic, but that's a whole other combination.

But anyway, no, I I don't know. I my wife

does not prescribe to this, so she

doesn't see that there, but she she is

very interested in these photographs that keep showing these things that keep

popping up because I'm not putting them there. I have no way to do that.

Have you found any of the, you know, when you say that people talk to

you about spirit guides and stuff, have you found that any of the messages,

that they've given you, I mean besides the one that came through that said,

oh, you know, your mother and her her hurt feet, anyone in

particular that have kind of stuck out to you that you're like, oh man, you

called it? Or because I'm always interested because I've seen some psychics and I've talked

to people, and I've never had somebody say something to me that

really got me. You know, that I was Mike, okay. You

know, everything always felt like it could have been a horoscope in, you

know, from the like a syndicated horoscope. Like anything could apply to

anybody. So have you ever had because it now sounds like

you've seen a variety of people. You've had this kind of intuition thing where

you've had a physical reaction, to something before it has

happened. And have you found any particular,

psychics or fortune tellers or anything like that beyond the ones you told us

that have had that effect where you're Mike, okay,

you you got me. Like, I I have no idea how you knew that.

Well, I had 2 kind of strange experiences with,

another person that I was in a relationship with, a woman.

And, it was a serious relationship, and

she was very spiritual. We both prescribed to that.

So we had a lot of really crazy things happen between us.

Like, I would I'd be driving to work and I'd be

like, oh my god. You know, she's doing this

right now, whatever it was. And I would I would go to work,

open up my email and there would be an email there saying,

I just finished doing this. Whatever it is. I'm like, she's

painting or she's, you know, composing a new song because she was an

artist and and a and a musician and all that. It was something

it was a tangible thing. I would just have this vision in the front of

my head of whatever, a song. And I would go to work

and open Mike email and just say I just wrote a song on the way

to work. And so we would have these simultaneous things.

We we had tattoos on the same day, and then either one of us

told the other person we were getting tattoos. And we would have

this these simultaneous experiences happen all the

time. We were on Venice Beach once, and we went to

a psychic called the goddess of the moon. And we said,

okay. This is BS. It's, you know, it's Venice Beach. She's probably

not legit, and she's just getting Taurus. So we waited, and we were gonna

get our palms wet. And we're standing next to each other, and

at the time, my girlfriend says, oh, what's wrong with

your hand? And I was like, what's wrong with my hand? She goes, you hardly

have any lines on your hand. Look at my hand, and her

hand was loaded with lines. I'm not talking about, like, your lifeline. I'm

talking about all the little lines on your hand. Sure. I mean, like, her whole

hand looked wrinkled. And I'm like, I don't know.

We go to this psychic, and, and the first thing a woman says

to me is, you're a terrible driver. And my girlfriend almost fell off the

chair because, yes, I am. I'm a I'm a good driver when I pay attention,

but when I don't, I'm like, I always get lost. I can't even find my

house. So that was that was very

interesting. And then she said to the to, to the

not to me, but to the woman, let me see your hand.

And we had just been talking about it, like, a half hour earlier. And she

goes, oh, you're a very old soul. Look at all those

lines on your hand. So, of course, I was Mike, uh-huh. See, you're

making fun of my hand, but it was your hand

that was the talk in the town, not me. So I've

had very, simultaneous things. When we were together,

our relationship was, on again, off again.

And we both went to psychics separately, not

together. And, and this psychic,

the one that told me about my mom also told

me that, me and and my

ex that we we had been

fighting over the same woman in the civil war. That's what she said.

We were both men in a past life. But then she started

to go into the stuff about being in a Victorian age, which was really

kinda interesting because I always felt like I I I lived in that Mike,

and I always felt like I somehow had, like, a green velvet, one of

those long gowns with the corsets and you know you know how

they are when they're walk women are walking around the street in like the late

1800s. Yeah. What that might look like. And she described

that scene to me and said you lived in the late 1800

in the Victorian Mike, and you were a prominent woman. That's what she told

me. And she said, I see you. You're wearing a green velvet

whatever. So I

didn't tell her that. Right. I, you know, I don't

know. Well, what I think is interest interest a couple of things are interesting

here. Number 1, the kind of radar love you have

with the other person where you're picking up, little

things, psychically, you know,

little stuff, things that they've worked on, you're thinking about things at the same Mike,

you're somehow communicating through

space without, you know, without a phone, you know,

without email. Right. You're communicating either

emotionally or psychically Mike kind of way. Now where does

this woman fit in? So in your Mike, just trying to figure out the timeline

here. So you're in California. Is this before you get married,

or is you're taking a break? No. This this

is after, when Mike and I figured out we were

in love with each other. And I

left my marriage, and Mickey did not leave her marriage when I left my

marriage. She was on her own journey, So we were not

together as a couple until after

we really were pursuing divorces from our husbands,

which was about a year and a half later.

So there was a period of time after I divorced my husband

that I was dating, and this was the person that I

dated during that period of time and had a very serious

relationship with. And what I think is interesting here, though, too, is

that, like you said so you said that your,

your husband was your first boyfriend, your first real relationship and everything.

And so then this is your second

relationship, right, decades later. In a way, it is. Because

my relationship with Mike at the time, I would

say, you know, I I was in love with Mickey before,

but it was tied up in all of the coming out as

a lesbian and, you know, being married

and all of that. So it it this other

relationship was I was single. And so, yes, that

is true. That was the first,

that was the second relationship I had that was

a like a real relationship where you were

single and had the freedom to pursue it. So that is true. Yeah. And

I think that's interesting too because this is this is happening after you've been a

mother, after, you know, probably decades of being married. And what I think is interesting

about that is that most of us, we we go through it, and we

have a bunch of practice of failed relationships before we get to a

marriage. Right? You go through you're Mike, okay. I tried this one. Didn't work. Tried

this one. This girl hates me. Tried this one. This girl really hates me.

You know, you go through your entire life, and you do that until you finally

until you finally figure it out, Or at least figure it out as best as

you can, and you find someone who can tolerate you all the time.

And so it's just interesting here that, when you're talking about this

psychic connection, you're finally following your intuition

to the point where you're like, okay, this is who I am. You're

redefining who you are, or at least who you thought you were, and you're redefining

it, into something that feels more natural, and something that

feels more like you. And as you're following your intuition that way,

you're starting to see more psychic experiences happen. Now

whether or not this worked out with this particular woman or

whatever, that's just, you know, that's a that's just one of

the stops along the way kind of thing, Wendy you get to your

final destination. But what's interesting, I think,

in this this through line here is that the more you're following your

intuition to where you need to be and your quote unquote

destiny, the more psychic experiences you seem to be

having. So as you're on your direction, that might not

be the person in the end who you spend your life with Right. Or the

rest of your life with, but they're you know, it's showing you

that you're going where you need to be going because you're having

these experiences. You're having these synchronicities and these little psychic

flare ups on your way there. Yeah. Definitely. And and my relationship

with Mike is very interesting because

we put things in each other's heads. And it's more than, you

know, your part I mean, we're gonna be married 20 years, this

September. So, you know, you know your partner pretty well

when you get together for 20 years. But this is something

different. This is Mike I'm thinking about, you

know, whatever. I'm thinking about subject a.

And I'll say, honey, subject a. And she'll say, oh

Mike god. I put that in your head because I thought about it 30 seconds

ago. And this happens constantly

where we are so in tune with each other on

a spiritual level. And keep in mind, she Mickey

doesn't manifest her spirituality because she's not

that's not how she's that's not her makeup. Sure. But

yet, she still tapped into it,

because I didn't have that in my marriage,

to my husband. I had it in another relationship, but I didn't

have it in the other big relationship,

my first marriage. But with Mike, it happens all the time. You

know, she'll say, oh, we have to buy the baby shoes. He grew

out of his shoes. And I'm like, oh, my God, I was just going to

tell you, you know, our daughter called and said the baby needs shoes.

Do you guys want it? Because we always say when the baby needs shoes, let

us know. We wanna buy them shoes. And, you know, so it's things

like that that occur all day long. Well, you know, and I think that's

a, you know, that's a good place where we we can kinda leave the message

of the story. And, Sally Ann, I've really

enjoyed talking to you today. I think your I think your story is fascinating.

I, you know, I wish you luck with the new the poetry book. And with

everything in the Golden Crown literary society, people can find that atgoldencrown.org.

They can find your information at sallyannmonte. That's Monty

with an I. Sallyannmonte. We're gonna have all of that

in our show notes on othersidepodcast.com/285.

But I think the perfect place as you said, you're in the

right place, and these little things happen. And you

followed your intuition in time to have, you know, a

fulfilling relationship in your life. And

you followed your intuition in in time enough to be able

to, find your the the

self that you wanted to, the self that you needed to. And I think it's

a great message for people. Your intuition, you feel it

inside, whether it's a gut punch or a

prickling at the back of the neck. Prickling. Pricking at the back of the

neck. Right. Or, you know, anything

that lets you know that, that innate

sense of the directions we should go to, the more you

avoid that, the further you're gonna get away

from probably where you need to be. And I I think your story

is a real lesson in, listening to

yourself and finding that intuition, how it

helps you find where you need to be. Yeah. You know, and I would say

one thing is that, intuition

and memory are 2 different things. And I think that

people confuse an an intuitive experience

with a memory. A memory is you're sitting there and you remember your

3rd birthday and blowing out the candles. That's a

memory. But, you know, seeing your mom in front of

you for 10 or 20 seconds, just standing

there in a white gown, and go and then

thinking about your mom, who isn't on the planet anymore, is

not a memory. It's a vision. That was a visit.

That was a spiritual visit by by

by that person. It it's so I think learning the

difference between what a memory is and what a vision is,

you become so more aware of what's going on around you, and it's amazing.

Fantastic. Thanks, Sally Anne, for your time today. I really appreciate

that. One more time, in case people are too lazy to go to the show

notes and they're just on their, like, phone right now, Where's the best place

that they can find you so they can check out your books and the

different authors and stories that you're helping to bring about to the

world? Well, there's 2 places. One is on my website.

It's salyanne, s a l l y a n n e, Monti, m0nti.com.

And, and the other place is at the goldencrown.org,

and we have an annual conference. We have

a host of paranormal authors. We have a, a very big

paranormal, sci fi following, so check

out the Golden Crown Literary Society. And if you have any questions, just reach

out to me there and, pay attention because there's stuff going

on around us. That's all I That's perfect. How I would close it.

Pay attention. The

feeling of the gut punches that changed Sally Anne's

life are a testament to the power of intuition and

how your body seems to know the right place you should be even when your

mind is far behind. Now it took Sally Anne decades

to find out where she was supposed to be, and hopefully, you

can find your place a lot faster than that. But that's the

inspiration behind this week's song. Here's Sunspot

with The Closer You Get.

The blame. Even before I knew what, you hit me

like a punch to the gut. Beautiful,

wonderful, and strange.

Knew what, you hit me like a punch to the

gut. Until it hurts, you know it ain't

gonna change.

Thank you for listening to today's episode. You can find us

online at othersidepodcast.com. Until next

Mike. See you on the other side.

Hello. This is Wendy. And first of all, I'd like to thank Mike and

Sally Anne for the great discussion today. I enjoyed meeting Sally Anne last year

at the Imaginarium Convention where not only did I get to hear her do a

reading from her book, but I also remember her being an enthusiastic member of the

audience when Mike and I performed some songs and discussed a bit

about the storytelling process of songwriting with Scott Marcus.

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