Evaluating Other Churches and Joshua's Final Farewell
In this episode of the Daily Bible Podcast, Pastors PJ and Rod begin with a discussion on how to humbly and rightly evaluate other churches in the community, emphasizing prayer and a focus on shared core beliefs. They then transition to a detailed study of Joshua chapters 22-24, covering Joshua's final charges to Israel, the return of the Trans Jordan tribes, and the importance of clinging to and loving the Lord intentionally. Joshua's famous declaration 'As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord' is highlighted, along with the covenant renewal and the eventual apostasy of the next generation. The episode concludes with reflections on the importance of raising the next generation in the discipline and instruction of the Lord. Also, Pastor PJ agrees with everything Pastor Rod says.
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:32 Discussing Different Theologies
01:41 Humility and Prayer for Other Churches
08:04 Joshua's Final Charge to Israel
13:33 Reflection and Application
18:36 Conclusion and Preview of Judges
Everybody welcome back to another edition of the Daily Bible Podcast.
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:It is Saturday.
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:Saturday.
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to be a little bit nicer.
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and I think we're turning
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:Should be in the seventies
and eighties here in Texas.
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:This is the good season.
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:This is the time to come visit Texas.
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:If you want to come visit
Texas and you're not from here.
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:Come now.
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:Right now, get on a plane.
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:You can be here tomorrow for church too.
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:Hey, I was talking to somebody this
week, had breakfast with someone who was
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:just, we were talking about different
sex of theology from what we embrace.
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:Not aberrant, not heretical,
but it got me thinking about.
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:Just how we consider and think
about some of these other churches
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:as we drive around our area, we
see a ton of churches in our area.
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:Not all of them are great.
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:Not all of them practice, the strictest
adherence to biblical theology,
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:the way that, that we would, and
there's a lot of differences there.
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:So pr how can our people think about.
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:Some of the other churches
that pepper our landscape here.
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:Driving by, we'll see other denominations
that we might look at and go, oh
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:man, I've heard something about
that denomination, or I've heard
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:something about this denomination.
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:Or, oh, that's pastor, Wes
and Pastor Susie that are our
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:pastoring that church there.
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:How do we think about all the people
that are represented by the cars in
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:those parking lots when we drive by?
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:Or how do we think about those churches
when it comes to the realm of Christendom?
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:Broadly speaking here, how can we,
how should we rightly and humbly
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:think about these other congregations
that litter our landscape?
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:Rod: I have several thoughts
about that, and I would have to
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:start with what, where you ended.
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:I think the practice is one of humility.
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:I.
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:Even the good things that we have
that we can feel good about, confident
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that God has given us by His grace.
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awareness, that man I love where I'm at.
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:I love the church that I'm part of.
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and I feel reasonably assured of.
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:I'm thankful for those things and I.
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:I can thank God, even as
I pass other churches.
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:Thank you for putting me where I am.
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:I could have been there, I
could have been at the mosque.
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:I could have been born in this
other place and time and I could
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:There's just so many different
possibilities of what could have
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:So I think the humility is
gonna be the starting place.
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:But secondly, I think one posture that we
could have there, and there's multiple.
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:And one of the first ones I think I'm
gonna say, I wanna pray for that church.
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:If I'm tempted, as I often am candidly,
to look at other churches and to
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:Okay.
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:If that's what you think is the
right thing to do, you're gonna
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:stand before the Lord for that.
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:And maybe there's a mixture
hopefully it's a good mix, largely
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of saying, man, that's wrong.
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:What you're doing is not the best thing.
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:I could still pray for them with an open
heart and say, Lord, please bless them.
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:Give them a pastor that knows
what he's talking about.
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:And even if it is a Pastor Susie, I
can still say, Lord, do good to them.
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:Help them to know the
word and to trust it.
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:I came from a charismatic
background, which had female pastors
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:and all sorts of things, and.
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:My, my theology fundamentally changed,
so I know those kinds of changes are
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:possible, although they're not likely,
I can pray for them and ask God to bless
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:them, and that's what I want him to do.
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:And when I say bless, I don't necessarily
mean that I want that particular
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:denomination or that particular church.
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:People to necessarily do better
and to reach more people.
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:In some ways we're on the same team and in
other ways we can more thinly divide that.
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:So I'm gonna pray for their
good, however God defines that.
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:But I'm also to rally back to where
I started I want to pray ultimately
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:that God's Capital C Church succeeds.
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happening in those doors.
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team is talking about or
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Jesus to succeed in fulfilling
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capital C Church, all the
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:And that means if he's gonna bless the
church down the block, man, sure do that.
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:I wanna be behind that.
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:I wanna support that.
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:I have many more thoughts about those
different churches and denominations,
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:but those are some of a few that I have.
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:What would you say Pastor pj?
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:PJ: Yeah, I think we, we are like-minded
in that, where my mind went with him.
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in a certain situation is Philippians
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:chapter one when Paul's in prison
and he's sharing the gospel even with
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that, Hey, these people over here are
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:sharing the gospel because they're
trying to make you jealous of.
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getting or maybe the fact
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:They're able to share the gospel
freely, and they're like, look at us.
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:We can take Paul's celebrity,
whatever their motives were.
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:They say, look they're doing
it for the wrong reasons.
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:Over here.
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in pretense or truth I just am.
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:Thankful that the gospel
is being proclaimed.
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:And I think that can help us when we
drive by these churches, if we can
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:say and pray, because we won't know.
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:But if we can pray, God, may that
church have a biblical gospel.
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:That's what we want
more than anything else.
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:If we could drive by a church and
say, God, can we I would hope that
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:we would agree on tier one issues.
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:On every tier one issue, the inerrancy
of scripture, the authority of scripture,
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Christ, the need for faith and repentance
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:in Jesus for the forgiveness of sins.
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:If we could pray that those things
would ring out from the pulpits
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:around our metroplex here, then the
secondary issues are issues that.
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:We can agree, hey, some of these are more
important than others, but at the end
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in Christ, and we were even talking a
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:little bit this morning too, that we have
a unique luxury in our culture to parse
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:out some of those finer differences and
distinctions on those tier two issues.
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:Versus if it was illegal to be a Christian
in our nation, than we would have a much
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:different perspective of Pastor Susie down
the street telling people to repent and
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:believe in Jesus than we do right now.
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:I'm not saying that, that it would
be right or that we would lose our
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of unity as the bride of Christ
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:pushing back the darkness together.
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will raise up more solid churches.
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:We wanna see him multiply
churches through church planting.
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grounded churches emerge here.
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:But we also want to be sensitive to
the fact that God's working in all
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:different types of churches as long
as those tier one issues are there,
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:Rod: yeah, just to balance that and
help our people understand we don't
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:think all churches are equally good.
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:True.
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:Just to be a hundred percent clear, yes.
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:We do not think that.
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:We think, in fact, many churches
have capitulated compromised and
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issue a clarion call, to repent
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:Hundred percent.
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:And they're teaching mostly their
own ideas and their words, as opposed
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:Help us communicate that Lord so
that your people are well fed.
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:They're understanding what their call
is, they're understanding what their
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:So we can pray for them and be
well wishers on their behalf.
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:While at the same time, recognizing,
and the longer I'm a Christian,
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:the longer I do my thing as a
pastor and study God's word.
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means to be a pastor and to be a
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:I feel that, I feel burdened for that
and for other Christians who go to.
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:Churches that are less robust, I feel
a burden for them because I think
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:they don't know things that we know.
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:They're not learning the
things that we're teaching.
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:They're not understanding the things
that they need to know as Christians, and
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:therefore they're gonna be less mature,
less healthy, less strong, less effective
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:So while we can say, look, we pray for.
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:Pastor Susie and those other churches
down the block, we don't think that
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:they're equally good and that, and
they would say the same about us.
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:Let's just be clear about that.
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:They would look at us and
say, you guys are legalists.
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:You guys are too stringent.
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:You guys care too much about
minor details or what have you.
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looking at them saying they're deficient.
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saying the same thing.
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:We're dishonest about it and
saying, look, we pray for them.
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:Yeah, but we're praying
probably differently than
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congregations, like the Mormons,
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:like the Jehovah's Witnesses,
we're gonna say they're, we're not
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:praying for them to be blessed.
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:We're praying for them to repent
and believe the true gospel
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:PJ: Yeah, that's a good word.
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:I would agree with everything
that you just said just now.
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:Not everything.
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:Everything I've ever said, always say.
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:You agree with, it's not a blank check.
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:Rod: I'm taking it blank check.
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:PJ: That's not what I said.
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:Alright, let's jump into the word Joshua.
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:Joshua 22, 1 through nine Now that the
Lord had provided rest for their brothers.
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:The trans Jordan tribes are released
by Joshua to return to their homes.
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:So remember, they had been over there
fighting on behalf of Israel as a whole
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:because when they first asked Moses,
can we stay here, Moses said, yes,
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:but you gotta help your brothers, your
kinsmen settle the promised lands.
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:So they've done that, and now they're
freed up to go back, but he commands
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:them as they're going to remember the
law and to keep it in a quasi covenant
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:renewal with these two and a half tribes.
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they not drift from the Lord.
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rest of the tribes were gonna be.
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:And they're opting for that.
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:And again, we talked
about that originally.
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decision for them to be so far away.
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those tribes go back and they build
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altar on the other side of the Jordan.
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:Catch wind of this, and it they raise a
flag that they're concerned about this.
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Phineas, he leads this delegation
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and says, what are you doing?
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offerings or sacrifices anywhere
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had chosen a place now, Shiloh, where
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was supposed to take place.
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:Not here on the other side of the
Jordan and the tribe say, look,
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:We're doing this as a witness so
that future generations will remember
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:that we're still part of Israel.
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:And so their concern was,
we're going back across here.
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:They felt the disconnect so much so
that they were worried that future
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:generations are gonna be like, wait a
minute, you guys don't belong to us.
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side of the Jordan.
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testimony to say, Hey, no, we belong.
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:This could have all been avoided.
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:This
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:Rod: the acrobatics they had to go
through to, to make a statement and
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:We belong to you, you belong to us.
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stayed there that would've been fine.
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:And God, it's interesting, God
acquiesced God allows them to
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:do this, and so he knows full
well what's about to take place.
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:But it's interesting that God allows this.
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:I guess it's a, it's in a similar vein to
him, allowing Dan to forsake their current
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:land land allotment and moving north.
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:This is interesting though.
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:Interesting development.
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:PJ: Yeah.
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:I would agree with everything that
you said it's one of those when,
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:as parents, you let your kids make
decisions that you know are not the
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:best decisions for them to make, and
yet you know that they're not, this
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:They're gonna suffer for this.
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:They're gonna realize that this is not
the right decision, but you're gonna
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them reach that conclusion on their own.
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that's what God is doing here too.
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:Chapter 23.
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:Then we come into Joshua's final charge
to Israel before he is gonna end up dying.
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is going to give them just some great.
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:Reminders of the importance of
their relationship with the Lord.
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:Verse eight.
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:He's gonna encourage them and charge
them to clinging to the Lord their God.
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:Just as a the picture there holding
fast to God is something that is,
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:We've been talking about, man, how
do we pull some things out with
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:the boundaries and everything else?
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:Easily for us clinging
to the Lord your God.
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and stumble into obedience.
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thoughtful and intentional about
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about the faithfulness of God.
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remember how faithful God has been to you.
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to bless you and bring you into
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:He's gonna be just as faithful to
end up turning against you here.
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:Chapter 23, Joshua's laying
things out saying, Hey, love
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bring the discipline against you.
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:Chapter 24.
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:Then the Lord here reminds
Israel of all of his faithfulness
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:again to, to them throughout the
generations verses one through 13.
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:There he's walking through just
the way that he has blessed them
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here from Joshua in verses 14 through 15.
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:He says, now, therefore, fear the Lord and
serve him with sincerity and faithfulness.
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if it's evil in your eyes to serve
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:the Lord, choose then this day whom
you will serve, whether the gods
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Amorites and who land you dwell.
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we will serve the Lord.
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and says, Hey, make your choice.
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:Choose today who you're gonna serve.
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:But as for me and my house,
we will serve the Lord.
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:Rod: I love how he
antagonizes them a little bit.
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yeah, we're gonna do that.
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:You are gonna say that, but you're
not gonna, it is too hard for you.
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:I just one those, I don't know how this
transpired, but it just, I read it funny.
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:It sounds like he's antagonizing
them the whole time.
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:You say, so let's let's consolidate this.
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happen, but your words are right on, man.
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of saying, look, we're just, we're
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we're gonna go that direction.
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and my house, he can't he can't
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:Even though he is their leader, he knows
he's about to go the way of the buffalo.
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:And so he's saying for me, for my house,
what I can control, my family, what we do,
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that were present here today, we'd have
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gonna say, look, I can't control
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government enacts, but I can control
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grace I'm going to, I'm gonna do that.
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:I heard someone talk about the kind
of leadership a man possesses in
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covered with a velvet glove that
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do it in a harsh, overbearing way.
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calls us to, to love the Lord
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:And of course, the gentleness that's
required of a father and a husband.
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that you said and the people's
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:pledge think we're all in.
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:Joshua, he says, take this seriously
in verses 20 through 22, reminds
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:When he says, here you are witnesses
against yourselves, that you have
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:That's a, when you know the
future of what's coming.
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though he says it against
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:Rod: yourselves now, you're not witnesses
for yourselves, but against, yeah.
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anticipating their inevitable
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:PJ: departure and I guess they
just don't get it, or they don't
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they're like, yep, we're witnesses.
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:We're willing to be that
we're on the same team.
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you said verse 19, to your point
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this for the Lord is a jealous God.
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gives commands that we're unable to.
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out and calls us to, we're able to do.
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foot building in one bound.
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love the Lord, you, God, with all
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all your strength, that is something
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tells them, you can't do this
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saying that you're gonna do it.
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foreign gods that are among you.
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again, intentionality, incline your heart.
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that happens accidentally.
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:You don't wake up with your
heart inclined to the Lord.
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inclined to your flesh.
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the word and time around the believers
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:and that intentional discipline of your
mind and your body, and your life, that
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:you will find that you're living a life
with your heart inclined to the Lord.
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within us to help us in that endeavor.
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in that that same effort too.
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:That's right.
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:So the chapter wraps up here.
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again and sets up a stone of remembrance
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:to serve as a witness for future
generations saying, Hey, this is gonna
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:be there to remind you of this covenant,
of your agreeing to do these things and
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ends with somebody else picking
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:up the narrative there with
Joshua's death at 110 years old.
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:Rod: Verse 31 is interesting 'cause
it says Israel serve the Lord all
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of the elders who outlive Joshua.
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that they serve the Lord and
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maybe as we go into the judges.
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the, there are only one generation
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elders, I suspect were strong leaders,
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generation's gonna do the right thing.
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you can think of that would be
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the right things and still have
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:PJ: I would agree with everything that
you said I'm reminded of, mueller,
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when Trump first took office and
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and Mueller said, this is great.
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:He said let's not say anything else.
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:This what he's doing, a lot of
what he's doing is really good.
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be lasting change, this is gonna
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after him, and another president after him
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by the next guy that takes office.
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next generation on a regular basis
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our power to try to raise them in
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Lord and teach them things like this.
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:You need men to be teaching your
sons as they're growing older.
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:Hey, when you get married and you
have kids, you need to teach your
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:kids the things of the word you
need to have your kids in church.
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:Here's why we've had you in church.
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:Here's why we've put you through
Adventure Club, or why we've had you
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:in student ministry, or why we have
you at this church, because this is us.
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:Doing what God has called us to do
with you, and someday you're gonna
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:get married and that's gonna be your
responsibility with your kids as well.
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:So don't just focus on that next
generation up, but even instill that
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for their role that they're gonna
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:Your grandkids, your great grandkids,
and how they're there to continue
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faith that's gonna result in future
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church and the church not apostate.
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:I didn't know if you had a particular
angle or something on that, but Nope.
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:I was just giving you
opportunity to tell us how it is.
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:Hey, seven books down.
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is gonna be a rollercoaster.
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:It's gonna go good.
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:It's gonna go bad.
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:It's gonna go good.
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:It's gonna go bad.
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:You've got a left-handed king,
you've got a fat or a left-handed
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:You've got all kinds of stuff going on
here, so can't say that word anymore, fat.
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:Rod: Gotta use a, that's what it is.
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:I don't know what the right
one is, but I don't know.
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:I don't think
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:PJ: you can say that.
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:It says the fat closed over his sword.
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:And other things happen
too, so That's true.
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:You'll have to tune in though
to find out what, so let me
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:Got thanks for another book
under our belt this year.
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:We don't want to just have books
done as a way to check a box or
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:be somehow legalistic to think
that we're more acceptable to you.
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:Because look at us.
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:We've done all these things.
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:We wanna boast not in
ourselves, but in the Lord.
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:Use the word that we read, that
we intake, that we ingest to
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:cause us to be more like Christ.
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:And so we thank you for that opportunity.
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:Even as we read books that.
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:Like Joshua aren't on the surface at
least super clear about how it relates
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:to our relationship with you all the
time, or how it relates to Christ.
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:We thank you for the knowledge that it
does, that we know it does as Jesus,
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:even on the road to Emmaus with the
disciples, opened up the word and
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:showed how everything points to him.
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:And so give us a wisdom to know
how that works and how to do
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:Keep reading Bibles and tune in
again tomorrow for another edition
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:See you.
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:Bye.
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:PJ: Yeah.
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:I would agree with
everything that you said