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Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Today we're gonna head back to 1991

to revisit Dutch, and this is to

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get us in the mood for Thanksgiving.

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And I am solo again today

because guess what guys?

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Dutch is not readily available to stream

either, and this poor guest who will come

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on for another episode, I promise you'll

hear from him, but he picked two in a

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row that just so happened to not have

streaming capabilities for these movies.

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So yes, I watched Dutch from library

again, and this time it didn't skip on

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me, so I got to watch the whole movie.

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I had seen it before though, but I

didn't really remember a lot of it.

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So you're stuck with me.

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and nineties in these themed seasons.

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We have a little time capsule

setting the stage in the form

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of trivia questions this season.

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John Hughes catalog, so Dutch.

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Alright, without further ado, let's

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You guys, if you feel like we've

covered 91 before, you are correct.

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We have currently Sue as

well as career opportunities.

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We're both from 1991 on

this John Hughes season.

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So I am going to cherry pick the

categories that we did not land

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on when we spun the time capsule

wheel for those two episodes.

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Let's do maybe commercial countdown.

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Okay, you guys, this one is a soda

brand launched a wildly successful

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commercial featuring a supermodel

who steps out of a red Lamborghini to

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grab a drink from a vending machine,

turning the heads of two young boys.

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What was the soda brand

and who was the supermodel?

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I can picture her outfit.

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And that hair is coming

back from the nineties.

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That, that, that big blown out hair.

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It's Cindy Crawford and it's Pepsi.

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That's, that's correct.

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Hmm.

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Here's a soap brand.

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Ran commercials featuring the slogan.

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Aren't you glad you use blank?

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Don't you wish everybody did?

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Continuing a campaign that had started

in the eighties but remained one of the

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most recognizable ad lines of the year.

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This is in 91.

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It was a soap brand.

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You guys, aren't you glad you use blank?

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It's dial soap.

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That is the correct answer.

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Okay.

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The stars and scandals are interesting.

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Let's see.

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Okay.

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In 91.

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What actors shocked fans when he

accidentally shot himself in the

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leg while filming the movie's.

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Gonna give it away.

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The doors later.

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Blaming the incident on staying in

character as Jim Morrison Al Kilmer.

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Now it does say here, this was

a widely rumored at the time,

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but Kilmer later clarified that

it was Dramaticized for effect.

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But this story still

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which rap artist had his public image

scrutinized in 91 after being arrested

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for allegedly beating a parking lot

attendant in Hollywood, leading to

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a high profile court appearance.

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I actually don't think I remember this.

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It is Vanilla Ice, AKA Robert Van Winkle.

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Here is a frequent tabloid person in 91.

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I guess we'll call him an action

star, for lack of a better phrase.

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He was arrested after a bizarre incident

at a Tucson bar involving verbal

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threats and possession of a controlled

substance just months after his film.

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If I name the film, it will give

it away, but he had one of his

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films just had just hit theaters.

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Is this ringing a bell with anybody?

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If not, the film is out for justice.

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Who is this action star in Heavy

quotations, says Katie, Steven Egal.

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Yep.

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And this is just one of many, but

this one was particularly from 91.

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This dude was frequently in the

tabloids that year, I guess, due to

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offscreen behavior and legal drama.

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Yes.

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We were glad to be rid of the egal.

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Let's see back in the headlines.

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These are some easy ones.

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I think.

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In December, this historic political

entity officially dissolved,

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making the end of an era and

shifting global geopolitics.

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What was it,

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the historic political entity

that you are looking for.

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Yes.

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The Soviet Union officially

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Shit takes a while.

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All right.

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In early 91, a coalition of countries

led by the US launched Operation

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Desert Storm to liberate this nation

after its invasion of a neighboring

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country name the invaded country.

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Which country was invaded Kuwait.

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Who remembers that Operation Desert Storm.

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91 Man.

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And then, which South African political

leader was released from prison in 91.

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Paving the way for the end of apartheid

and eventual election as president.

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Of course, it's Nelson Mendel.

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That was the giveaway.

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Let's see, is there anything else?

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Ooh, the boombox Bangers, you guys.

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Oh, there's some good ones.

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91.

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Billboard Top five charts.

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Number one hit from the 91 film.

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Robin Hood, prince of Thieves

starring Kevin Costner was a massive

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power ballad song by Brian Adams.

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What was the name of this song?

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Easy.

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Easy.

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Easy.

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Everything I do, I do it for you.

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It is so good.

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But who got so sick of it?

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Yeah, it's like I, I almost

never hear it anymore.

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Even on like throwback channels

'cause it got played out.

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In 91.

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This is the number two song, Martha

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Wash.

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Hmm.

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Who's Martha Wash maybe.

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Hmm.

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Interesting.

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Martha Wash famously provided the powerful

uncredited vocals for the chorus of

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which hit song by CNC Music Factory.

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What was the name of this song?

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It looks like there was some drama maybe.

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Martha Wash versus CNC Music Factory.

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She won lawsuits against groups like that

for failing to provide vocal credits.

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Okay, so yes, it says uncredited vocals.

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So there must have been a lawsuit.

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This must have happened

to her a few times.

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And by CNC Music Factory.

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Oh, no, you guys also, I don't even know

who Martha Wash is, but it is gonna make

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you sweat and Princess everybody Dance.

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Now, that was the number two song in 91.

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It is a really good song.

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One of my favorites from back in the

day has the number three song, Paula

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Abdul, and there's a famous actor

who's in the video inspiration from

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a 1955 film Rubble without a Cause.

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That was, I, I almost wanna

say it was black and white too.

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This video what was the name of the song?

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Keanu Reeves is the

actor I was referring to.

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I don't know if that is helping you come

to the, the answer that is Rush Rush.

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91.

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All right, number four.

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The r and b group Color Me Bad.

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Oh, I loved them back in the day

for all of their two songs that

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they had, but this one was a hit

originally featured on the soundtrack

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for the Crime Drama New Jack City.

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I don't think I knew that.

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What was the name of this song?

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I Wanna Sex You Up and it is so good.

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I can still picture myself like

listening to the tape in a boombox in a

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friend's car because the tape deck must

have broken or something in her car.

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Anyway, we were riding around

town with the boombox jamming

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to I Wanna Sex you up by color.

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Me Bad.

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All right, the last one,

I don't think I would get.

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It wouldn't just come to me.

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But here's your clue, everyone.

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Which 1991 Freestyle Ballad by artist

Timmy T was written and produced

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by him after breaking up with a

girlfriend and went on to become

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a number one hit on the billboard.

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Hot 101 more try by Timmy T.

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Is that a one hit wonder?

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This dude does not look familiar to me.

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Okay, there you go.

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There is your top five

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Also.

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That concludes this portion of

the time capsule on Retro Made.

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Alright, let's get into Dutch from 1991.

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It is pg.

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It was released in the summer.

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But it is a Thanksgiving movie, or

at least it's set over Thanksgiving.

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And it has a 6.5

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on IMDB.

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This is on the John Hughes season,

and as we've covered a number

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of times now, he did not direct

this, Peter Fain directed this.

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Does anyone know Peter Fain?

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And Fain is F-A-I-M-A-N.

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He's Australian.

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He.

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And he is also known for Crocodile Dundee.

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Shocking.

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But I love that movie.

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I love that.

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I mean, so that's like one of

my favorite eighties movies.

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And also, the Dawn Lane Show, and I

didn't know what this is, but any of

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you, Aussies will probably, it was

a talk show that ran from 75 to 82.

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So Peter Famine, that's who he is.

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But yes, of course our writer is John

Hughes and I did learn that at one

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point he was considering directing

it, but then he reconsidered because

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of its similarities to his other hit

film, planes, trains and Automobiles,

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which is another Thanksgiving movie.

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It revolved around two characters

who at first really don't like

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each other and go on a road trip to

get back to Chicago after having a

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bunch of setbacks, which included a

destroyed, burnt car being robbed,

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et cetera, with a happy resolution.

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So in essence, this film is a

sequel or remake to that film,

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minus the trains and planes.

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That is interesting.

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We will be covering planes,

trades, and automobiles.

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That's probably gonna be the next episode,

so I'll have to give that a rewatch.

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I don't know it by heart, but it's

interesting because when I was

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rewatching Dutch, last week, that

is not the movie that came to mind.

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And I will get into what

movie came to mind immediately

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once I started watching this.

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And I am so curious.

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Who else had the same thought?

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You will have to email me.

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So if it has been a minute or

two since you've seen Dutch.

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The description is to get to

know his girlfriend's son,

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a working class good guy.

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Volunteers to pick him up from his

prep school, only to learn that

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he isn't the nicest young man.

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So who are our cast of characters here?

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The bratty kid is Ethan Embry,

he plays Doyle Standish.

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And I will say at this time,

he wasn't going by Ethan Embry.

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He was going by Ethan Randall.

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He's done a lot of things I most

recently know him from, he plays

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one of either Grace or Frankie's

kids on the show, grace and Frankie.

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That's actually a really quite good show,

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but also Empire Records.

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Anyone?

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Ethan Embry, he's in a lot of things.

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And then of course Ed

O'Neill plays Dutch Dooley.

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Ethan Embry.

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So the kid I would say

he's like junior high age.

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It doesn't explicitly say, I don't think.

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But so he plays Doyle Standish.

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He's the bratty kid that is in a, like,

out of town boarding school, and Dutch

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is gonna go pick him up and do this road

trip back to Chicago for Thanksgiving.

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Dutch Dooley is Ed O'Neill.

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Love Ed O'Neill.

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Everyone knows him probably best

from playing Al Bundy, right?

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Married with children Al Bundy.

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And then he also actually, I don't

know, is Modern family still on?

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I doubt it, but anyway, modern

Family, he's in that as well.

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So I love Ed at O'Neill.

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I find him very charming

in everything he does.

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So I, I welcomed rewatching this

movie partially because of him.

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Now the girlfriend Doyle's

mother and Dutch's girlfriend

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is played by Joe Beth Williams.

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She wasn't super familiar to me, but

she probably is to a number of you.

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She was nominated for an Oscar

for a short film on Hope.

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I'm unfamiliar with this, but hey, you

know, nominated for an Oscar and she's

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probably most known for Poltergeist,

also The Big Chill Kramer versus

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Kramer and, oh, all of you stopper.

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My moms shoe fans out there.

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I believe she, did she

play The Love Interest?

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Did she play Slys Love interest in that?

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So that is Joe Beth Williams.

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And then we just recently talked

about Christopher McDonald because

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he was in the flubber episode.

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He plays kind of the dickish

sort of antagonist we kind of

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talked about on that episode.

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Is there an antagonist?

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You know, is there one.

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Question mark.

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So he must have a good working

relationship with Hughes because I feel

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like there might even be a third one

that I can't think of that he's in.

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But he plays the dad, so the ex-husband

and this bratty kids dad, Reed Standish.

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And then we have these two young

women that are in like a sports

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car that we'll talk about later.

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I am not a car person.

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I could recognize that it was either

a Camaro or TransAm or Firebird.

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One of those, one of those cars.

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So there's two young women that we

find out are, they call themselves,

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call girls prostitutes and strippers,

like all three of those things.

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So the one who drives the car,

her name apparently is Halle, even

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though it's not said in the movie.

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And then the other, the passenger, her

friend her character's name is Brock

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and she is mentioned, but these two

ladies are played by, so Brock is Ari

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Meyers, and she did look familiar to me.

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She's the more innocent one.

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She played one of the kids on Kate

and Ally, and that does track now that

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I, now that I see, that I can see it.

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And her very first role was playing

Al Pacino's stepdaughter on Author.

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Author.

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And then, so the other one, the more

street smart of these ladies is Halle,

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and she's played by Elizabeth Daley,

but I think her stage name is EG Daley.

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And she is an actress and a singer.

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And she's got a lot of voice work.

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So she's, kind of famous in that world.

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So classics like Dottie in PeeWee's,

big adventure to Valley Girl.

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And when I saw her, I couldn't place her.

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I was like, oh my God.

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She's, she's very specific.

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Both the combination of her look

and her voice are very specific.

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And I was like, God, what do I, I know

I've seen her, I just can't place it.

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She is in the episode of smelly Cat.

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Remember on Friends when Phoebe

sings Smelly Cat and she must have

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been like old partners with Phoebe.

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Where Phoebe teaches her to

play on the guitar smelly cat.

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And she's kind of trying to convince

Phoebe to, I think she's like, oh,

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you know, you could really use this.

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You could sell it.

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It could be for cat litter or whatnot.

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And Phoebe's like, no, no, no, no.

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You know, she doesn't, she's like,

don't ruin it with capitalism.

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And then I think this, this

gal screws Phoebe over again.

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So anyway, that's her.

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She is also the voice.

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of , Tommy Pickles from Rugrats

Buttercup from the Power Puff Girls,

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babe from Babe Pig in the city.

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Young Mumble from the Academy

Award-winning Happy Feet.

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She does have a very interesting voice.

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So that is EG Daley playing

a prostitute in Dutch.

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All right, we have a homeless woman.

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That talks to Doyle when they're all

like kind of trying to sleep and she

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has a little bit of a bigger part

in it, in a little, a little while.

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And her, the woman who plays

her is El Scott Caldwell.

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She looks very familiar and she went on

later to play Rose in the TV show, lost,

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as well as a lot of single episodes of tv.

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She had a recurring role in

judging Amy and the Secret

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Life of the American teenager.

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Now she's a main character on a

new-ish Apple plus TV show with

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Vince Vaughn called Bad Monkey.

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I have not seen this, but be on

lookout for El Scott Caldwell in that.

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And then one more person

that we should talk about.

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Partially just 'cause her background

is, is kind of, interesting.

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She's credited as Gritz, but I don't

know if we ever know her name in the

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movie, but that's the character's name.

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And she's played by Kathleen Freeman

and her parents were v villains.

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So she made her debut at age two in

their act and she also did a lot of

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voice work, including in there is a

connection with Ed O'Neill in Married

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with Children, where she was the voice

of Pegs Monstrous, but never seen Mother.

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You guys remember those episodes.

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And then she was also memorable as

Sister Mary Stigmata the Penguin,

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Dan Aroy and John Belushi's nemesis

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That is Kathleen Freeman.

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The music was pretty good in this meaning,

I guess I should say it did its job.

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The cues were on point to help guide

us as to how we should be feeling.

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Alan Sylvestri, who is an incredible

composer, he works a lot with Robert

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Zume, who I love from the eighties.

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So such works as who Framed Roger

Rabbit, romancing The Stone Back to

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The Future, force Gump, et cetera.

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Also Predator, the Avengers Films.

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And we talked about him last season

in the Overboard episode because he

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composed the music for Overboard.

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So there we go.

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Award wise, we do get a young

artist award for Ethan Re's starring

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role here, which is interesting.

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Yeah, he was good.

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I mean, sure.

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Why not?

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I do like Ethan Embry as an actor.

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I just don't know.

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He was fine.

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He did his job in that.

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We hated him at first and we

did warm up to him by the end.

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So there you go.

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Ethan Embry.

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This movie had a budget.

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Okay, so this is, this is

perhaps why they haven't bothered

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keeping this movie on streaming.

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I feel like it was on streaming like

even last year around Thanksgiving

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or two years ago, but it isn't at

least available in the US to stream.

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Partially maybe because it had a budget

of $17 million and it only grossed $4.6

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million worldwide.

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Yikes.

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Right.

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So, we'll, we'll talk about a little

bit, a little bit of fun poked at that

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by, by some of the actors in this.

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We will get to that in some of the trivia.

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I kind of just skipped over the IMDB.

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It is a 6.5,

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so despite it doing poorly at

the box office, it, it is good.

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Like it's not a dumpster

fire of a movie 6.5

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I think I would probably agree with that.

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That seems like a fair rating.

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It's a good movie.

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It's not a great movie.

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But it's a fun, it's a fun watch for

Thanksgiving we open with a very fancy

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party filled with snobby, rich people.

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And I love how they show us

what we're supposed to think

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about these people, for example.

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There's a mounted lion head in one

of the rooms, which I feel is a very

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purposeful choice to show us what

kind of people they are at this party.

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And so they're all very snooty

and snobby and classist and,

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and these are these people.

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So Dutch is there with his girlfriend,

and we're supposed to be seeing

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that he is just a regular Joe.

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He doesn't quite fit in.

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But so we're endeared to him

partially because of that, because

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we're, we're immediately shown that

we don't really like these people.

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And he stands up to the very smug reed,

like the ex-husband who so that's, so

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Michael McDonald, or not Michael McDonald.

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Christopher McDonald playing Reed.

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Just, he plays this

type of part perfectly.

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So we're endeared to Dutch and now

we cut to, so also Reid tells the

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ex-wife, oh, you'll have to tell Doyle

I can't take him for Thanksgiving.

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I have to go to London for work.

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Or something along those lines.

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And she's sort of like, well,

you can tell him yourself, but if

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he can't be bothered to do that.

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So Dutch offers to go pick him up.

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Huh and he's like, oh, this is great.

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I, everybody loves me.

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A road trip is all it takes.

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We end up being best friends by the end.

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Don't worry.

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It'll be a great bonding moment.

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So the ex-girlfriend's skeptical

'cause she, I think she knows her

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kid very much takes after his dad.

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And we see that then because we cut

to Doyle at school, who is very much

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a mini read, but somehow even worse.

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'cause in kid form, ugh.

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It's it reminded me of the

annoying kid from over the top.

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Now, more on this in a bit,

but just we, you just like

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squinty eye at him, you know?

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You know, sometimes when you do that,

like about people or you're just like,

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Ugh, how is this person so awful?

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But he just has this air

of superiority on him.

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His worldview is such.

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That he equates being born into money with

class and therefore better than everyone

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else, especially the gasp working class.

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They are so beneath him.

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He is the type of kid we see him

threatening to get people fired.

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If they don't do what he want,

I'll, I'll get my dad to call.

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So and so.

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And have you fired?

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Because of who his dad is so

it's Thanksgiving weekend, all

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his friends have now gone home.

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Someone has already come to pick them up.

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We see him is at the school by himself.

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So there's a janitor in a room,

there's a trashcan, and he's kind of

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sweeping up, he's cleaning up and we

see Doyle just go, just to be a dick.

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Kick over the trash can to have

to make this janitor then pick

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it up again right in front of him

as he's clean just to be a dick.

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Now we also see that he it, that

all the kids aren't this way.

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So this isn't, this isn't the kind of

school that, I mean, it is a boarding

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school, so I'm sure there's a fair

amount of privilege and some attitudes

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that can sometimes go along with that.

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But the other kids we see kind of

be normal and they're kind, they're

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even inviting him to come, you

know, have Thanksgiving with him.

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So they're not shitheads and, even I

think one of them even says something

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about how hateful Doyle is for no reason.

480

So we see at the beginning we're

endeared to Dutch at O'Neill.

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, So we're setting up this dichotomy of

what, how this road trip is gonna go.

482

Right.

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We see the kid is like beyond a

bratty, privileged prick of a kid.

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So that's who we are.

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The other thing I wondered though,

since we see him by himself, when

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they meet, it starts with Doyle

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it looks like he's

walking home from class.

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He's in his uniform and he

has his textbooks with him.

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But it's Thanksgiving break.

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There's no class.

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So I feel like that was a mistake.

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But

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I dunno, for whatever reason,

he's walking to his dorm and

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Dutch is already in his room.

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But his back is, we can't see his face.

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It's just, you can see

that there's a man there.

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And so Doyle mistakes Dutch for

his dad at first, even though he

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knew that his dad bailed and that

Dutch was coming to pick him up.

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I think he just maybe had hope

that his dad changed his mind.

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So Dutch is trying to score points with

his girlfriend by offering to pick up

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her kid Bond road trip from, they're

in Georgia, is where the the school

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is, and they're gonna head to Chicago.

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Of course, we're going to Chicago.

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This is Hugh's territory for Thanksgiving.

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Now I would like to go into a little

bit of a deep dive into why I think

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this movie reminds me of another movie.

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About 10 minutes in, I

out loud to myself, said.

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Is Dutch an over the top ripoff?

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'cause over the top, I

wanna say was like what?

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86, 87.

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Somewhere in there.

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This is 91.

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So Hughes had said he didn't wanna direct

it 'cause it was so similar to planes,

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trains, and automobiles, but I thought

it was so similar to over the top.

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First of all, I love over the top.

516

Second of all, let me make my case for why

I think Dutch is an over the top ripoff.

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We have an unknown father figure here

that picks up a very bratty private

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slash military school kid because it

would be a good bonding experience.

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We have a road trip with lots of

mishaps and shenanigans that over

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time bring these two closer and they

do actually bond and learn from each

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other over the course of the movie.

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And we have a hoity father or

grandfather that gets in the

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way and or makes things worse.

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We have a kid that the movie purposefully

portrays as the shittiest, brattiest,

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classist rich kid attitude at first.

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But of course we warm up to later

by the end of the movie, as does the

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father figure, we get to kind of a

fish outta water, greasy style diner.

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With the food and the kid is

disgusted by both the food as

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well as the patrons of said diner.

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We have a scene where the two

fight over the radio knob, over the

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windows, there are so many things

about this that are straight out of.

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Over the top.

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You have to rewatch Dutch to probably see

it, but do so please rewatch both movies

534

in succession and then let me know if

you agree or disagree with my take there.

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Okay.

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That's, that's, that's that.

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We'll move on from the over

the top ripoff conversation.

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Okay.

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I know I do love Ed O'Neill,

so I'm giving him so much.

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If it wasn't Ed o Ed O'Neill in

this, I don't know if I would

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like this movie as well, but I

do find him extremely charming.

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But he's like, this is 91 and he

is not, he's not this kid's father.

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He, even though he's trying to suck

up to his girlfriend by picking this

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kid up, he is not babying this kid.

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He's like trying to take him down

a peg with guidance, but also kind

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of giving it to him a little bit.

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Like he does need to take him down a peg.

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And so.

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There are a few lines that I found very

memorable that I kind of chuckled at.

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And one of them is he says to the kid,

'cause doyle threatens Dutch in some way.

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And Dutch says, you're about

as worrisome as a cloudy day.

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I had never heard that before

and I think I'm gonna use it.

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I like it.

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I like that a lot.

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Now we're getting into the mishaps.

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They're on the road, right?

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Wherever they stop.

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I think they're in Tennessee where

fireworks must be legal year round.

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'cause he, they stop to get gas

maybe or something from a store.

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And there's a fireworks,

like a giant firework store.

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And he goes in and he comes out with a

like a grocery bag full of fireworks.

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And he is all excited, probably thinking,

oh, what, you know, 12, 13-year-old

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kid doesn't love this kind of thing.

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But of course the kid is unimpressed

and he's like, isn't that illegal again?

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Also the top vibes.

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But he's like, well not in Tennessee.

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So then they go somewhere out like in

the middle of the country and there's

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like an entire scene of the fireworks and

it's not entertaining in the slightest.

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So I think that was a big miss.

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There were other scenes I feel

like they could have expanded

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on that were actually funny.

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This wasn't, it went on for a very long

time and it just wasn't that funny.

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There's some ballsiness happening

with Ed O'Neill's character,

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kind of not being mean, but like,

oh kid, you think you're tough.

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Let me tell you, or you think

you're special because of

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this, that, or the other?

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Let me tell you about that.

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This would never happen today, but there's

this game of chicken of sorts that's super

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ballsy where they must know, again, this

is before you could see on like Google

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Maps, how far away you are from a motel.

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And I highly doubt they had reservations,

but you knew they were coming upon a

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town that they must have planned to stay

at just like a little roadside motel.

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But they're in the car and he's

is fed up and he is like, fine,

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you think you're so whatever.

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You fine.

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I'll meet you at the motel walk.

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So he kicks him out on the highway

like this kid, and it's snowing.

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It's winter out.

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And he actually kicks this kid

outta the car and says he can walk

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the rest of the way in a motel.

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And I think that did actually

knock this brat down a peg.

592

But of course you could

tell he was worried.

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Once he got to the motel, he kept

looking out the window and stuff.

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But this is, no cell phones,

nothing like pretty ballsy, like

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what happens if this kid dies on

the way to the motel or something.

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But it's a, it's a comedy

movie from the early nineties.

597

So it is what it is.

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But the game of chicken then comes because

the kid does get back to the motel and

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he's pissed, but he it's like he needs to

get his bag out of the car or something.

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So he takes Dutch's keys to get his

bag out of the car, and of course

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he steals the car and he parks

it in the middle of the icy road.

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It's wintry and it's icy.

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A semi-truck driver, rams through the

car, like pushes it over an em like

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an embankment into a, into a ditch.

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And so Dutch and the truck driver

are completely freaking out.

606

They're frantically searching,

looking for the kid.

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Well, of course, the kid had already

gotten, they didn't kill this kid.

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He'd already gotten out of the car,

but that, he did that on purpose.

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He parked the car in the middle of

the road knowing that someone would

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come and hit it or, or, or whatnot.

611

I don't even know.

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Maybe they swerved or something.

613

But he did this.

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He had already gotten out and he says

something to the effect of, I, I don't

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recall his words, but essentially I

did that to get back at you, like,

616

that'll teach you or something.

617

So then we see Dutch paying the truck

driver essentially to avoid police.

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He's, you know, he's like, oh,

this kid, you know, I, I don't want

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any police trouble or whatever.

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So he just pays off the truck driver

the police do come, of course, but

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they had kind of concocted some

sort of story that would prevent

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anyone from getting into trouble.

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So we see that happening and my

thought was like, oh my God, this

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kid is a psychopath for doing this.

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And Dutch more or less tells him

as such, like, this isn't you.

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You need to grow up and

think outside of yourself.

627

For a second kid, someone could have

gotten killed by your little prank here.

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That's so not cool.

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This is serious business.

630

You like, don't, don't

do that kind of stuff.

631

So now they don't have a car.

632

Okay?

633

They don't have any luck hitchhiking.

634

And so now we see them in a

Greyhound bus to the next stop.

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Doyle gets his, he has some

fancy expensive shoes on in 91.

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That was kind of a trope.

637

His shoes get stolen.

638

Or I should say just like some young

adults basically bully him out of them.

639

Or they just take them

and they're bullied away.

640

So that was little scene.

641

And then wherever they are they

must be near a store, gas station.

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And these girls in that sports

car see them and feel bad for

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them because they're rehearsing.

644

Ed O'Neill is kind of trying to

convince him how to like, be pathetic

645

looking he's like, you're a kid.

646

You know?

647

That's how we're gonna get

somebody to, to pick us up.

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And these girls see that

and dup tick pity on them.

649

They're like, oh yeah, we're

go, we're headed to wherever for

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Thanksgiving to see our families.

651

And they say that they are call girls.

652

They say that they're prostitutes

and they're like, oh, and we also do

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some dancing for some extra money.

654

And they were just in some city

for some show, expo, whatever, to,

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to make some dough as call girls.

656

And they're headed back for Thanksgiving.

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And the driver she's

way more street smart.

658

The other one seems kind of innocent

and she's in back with the kid.

659

And Ed O'Neill is in the

passenger seat and he fell asleep.

660

So the driver steals his wallet.

661

She tries to take his ring.

662

He has a, a pinky ring on,

but she couldn't get that.

663

Well then they go to a gas

station wherever the next town

664

is, they're gonna stretch their

legs, go grab something to eat.

665

But of course, what happens.

666

The girls of course ditch

them at this gas station.

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So now Dutch and Doyle don't have money

'cause the wallet got stolen and they

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don't have any of their things, their

bags, their luggage got stolen as well.

669

Oh, one more thing.

670

So throughout the movie, a nice

little touch is that Doyle.

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I have a hard time saying

that his name is Doyle.

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'cause he doesn't, that doesn't

seem like a kid name to me.

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Also Dutch and Doyle is just, I get

them kind of confused a little bit, but

674

on purpose throughout the movie, Dutch

Calls Doyle by the wrong name, and it's,

675

I feel like he doesn't even correct him.

676

It's just kind of funny.

677

So he calls him Dale,

Dwight Dossey, et cetera.

678

And again, like the way that

Ed O'Neill delivers it, he

679

really pulls it off excellently.

680

So, kudos to O'Neill in this.

681

He really was like, by far my

favorite part of the movie.

682

So now we get to the crux,

683

they're at this gas station now.

684

What are we gonna do?

685

Are we gonna call your mother?

686

You know?

687

They're basically planning to

like go their separate ways.

688

Despite the fact that one is

an adult and one is a kid.

689

They really have it out.

690

There's sad music playing.

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And Doyle goes in to the gas station.

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He tries to call his dad, who

remember said that he couldn't spend

693

Thanksgiving with him because he

got called to London for business.

694

Well, Dole learns now here that he lied

because we're, we're shown the scene

695

where the phone is ringing and they're,

he's in bed with a woman who we assume

696

is maybe his girlfriend or something.

697

She answers the phone.

698

So he is at home and he can hear

his dad like in the background.

699

So he knows that he lied now.

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So this prompts Doyle

to make up with Dutch.

701

And then there's a very odd moment, again,

this wouldn't be in a movie now where they

702

bond over the fact that Doyle gets horny.

703

When he was with the prostitute

girl, this is like a 12 or

704

13-year-old kid who like fell asleep

on this girl's boobs, you know?

705

And, but she's at least 18, like

she's an adult and he's a child.

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And I know this isn't his dad, I don't

know if that's a thing then bond over.

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It was almost like, oh,

your first Horniness.

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I don't, I don't know, but

they bond over this somehow.

709

It's weird.

710

Maybe it wasn't in 91, but

I, I found it really strange.

711

Anyway, one of the call

girls got him going.

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Okay.

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So now we see them pulled together.

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They've made up, they're like,

okay, we're gonna do this.

715

We're.

716

We're two capable dudes.

717

We're gonna get the rest of the way home.

718

Now we see them stowing away on the

back of a semi, and then wherever

719

the semi goes, there's a yard where

there's security guards, and they get

720

caught by these security guys that

this loading area for the semi and

721

these cops actually beat them up.

722

It's kind of odd, like they, I don't

know, I guess they're trespassing,

723

but what Jesus like, it's a bit much.

724

And they also, because they're

assuming that they're homeless people,

725

and this is the first of a couples

series where we see other people.

726

Treat them poorly because they

think they're homeless and therefore

727

somehow less worthy of kindness.

728

It's which was probably done on purpose.

729

'cause this is a Thanksgiving movie.

730

So we're supposed to be reminded

of and be grateful for what we

731

have and to be helpful to people

who are less fortunate than us.

732

And that, oh, these

people have a hard time.

733

It's a hard life.

734

We'll, we'll more on that in a bit.

735

So the kid tries to

use some of his karate.

736

We early kind of see that he's he really

takes his karate practice seriously.

737

Or maybe it's TaeKwonDo,

I'm not entirely certain.

738

And then they team up and have a ruse.

739

The kid is like loony and that his

head is telling him to do crazy things.

740

And that the, these police officers,

again, like bumbling police

741

officers should be scared of that.

742

But they do finally get away by pulling

the BB gun out from the beginning of

743

the movie when Doyle actually shoots

Dutch in the butt with a BB gun.

744

And it took me a while to realize

what it was, 'cause it looks

745

like a gun, like a handgun.

746

And I didn't learn until

later in the movie.

747

I didn't know what it was.

748

I didn't know what it was shooting.

749

I thought I don't air or I, I

honestly, I don't know anything

750

about guns, but I always thought

BB guns were like rifle style.

751

Ala a Christmas story, you're

gonna shoot your eye out Ralphie.

752

But this looked like a pistol.

753

And I guess I didn't realize BB guns came

that way, but, but apparently they do.

754

They still have this gun, so it

looks like a real gun probably.

755

And so that allows them to get away.

756

A lot of crimes happening in this movie

that are just gone un, un unreported.

757

So now because they got beat

up, this kid is bleeding.

758

From cut on his head.

759

He's bleeding, but you know, they've been

through a lot so they don't look great.

760

They're dirty, their clothes are kind

of ripped and the kid is bleeding.

761

They go into this restaurant

and immediately you can see

762

everybody turn and look at them

like, oh, you don't belong here.

763

So they're quickly shooed out

because the waitress assumes that

764

they're homeless and therefore not

welcome in this proper establishment.

765

And Dutch is like, Hey, you

know, no worries, no worries.

766

We'll get outta your hair.

767

But can the kid go use the

bathroom to wash his face?

768

He's gotta, he's bleeding.

769

But again, no sympathy because

Oh, oh, don't, don't be offensive

770

to the, the diners that are

patronizing this establishment.

771

But there is a couple of diners who do

take pity on them, and we then see that

772

this couple drives the pear to a shelter

where they eat and sleep for the night.

773

Here is kind of where

we're seeing a little more.

774

We've seen some improvement, some.

775

Work done on both parts.

776

They're starting to work

together a little bit.

777

They're starting to warm up

to each other a little bit.

778

And here at the homeless shelter is

where we see Doyle come around and,

779

and start to see things through.

780

Now he's had an experience that a homeless

person might have for a day anyway and

781

so he is really possessive a little bit

or protective of they're eating dinner

782

and he has a bread roll with his dinner.

783

And this little girl, probably like mm,

four or five, , we see her kind of try

784

and take it and he slaps her hand away

and grabs the roll and then he thinks

785

for a second and then he gives it to

her because he realizes in that moment

786

she is a real homeless person that.

787

Needs it.

788

And he doesn't, he'll have a,

he'll have a great meal tomorrow

789

when he said his mansion.

790

That's a turning point too, where we

see compassion from Doyle and then

791

that night, so it's time to go to bed.

792

It's just a big room of cots.

793

And of course Dutchess Cock keeps

breaking and waking everybody up,

794

so everybody's annoyed by him.

795

But this, the little girl who, who tried

to take the, the role her mother the

796

homeless woman mentioned when we were

talking about who the players were.

797

El Scott Caldwell.

798

She's having a conversation

kind of helping us as an

799

audience as well as Doyle.

800

Get to the point of the whole

purpose of Thanksgiving.

801

Oh, I bet you really miss your mom.

802

Where's, is that your dad?

803

So he just kind of says, oh, yeah,

yeah, that he tells her that that's his

804

dad, and she inquires where the mom is.

805

And so they start talking about that.

806

And this gets Doyle to realize that he,

despite his exterior, where he kind of

807

hates his mom, he's the spoiled bratty,

he wants to be with his rich dad and

808

he doesn't appreciate his

mom throughout the movie.

809

And so the mom feels like this

kid might hate her, and he doesn't

810

want her to think that now.

811

Whereas before he didn't care.

812

He was just all about himself.

813

He didn't really care about other people.

814

So now he's realizing how much he actually

does appreciate and love his mother.

815

And then the next morning.

816

We see a really shitty

station wagon type car.

817

It's really beaten up, but it's driving

along the highway and we see that

818

Doyle and Dutch are in the backseat so

that somebody is giving them a ride.

819

And it's those people, woman

says, she's telling Doyle, oh

820

my husband lost his job.

821

We've been here for about a week.

822

We were living in our car.

823

It's just tough out

there, blah, blah, blah.

824

So we get a little bit of their backstory

and they're giving them a ride in their

825

car that they were living in to somewhere.

826

And we realized they're on the outskirts

of Chicago, so they're almost home.

827

Yay.

828

This whole movie, we just hear

Dutch say, yes, I'm working

829

class, I I work for my money.

830

I didn't inherit in my money.

831

I actually work for it.

832

He takes a lot of heat from Doyle for

being quote unquote working class.

833

But we don't know what he does

until now when we drive past a

834

sign as they're approaching Chicago

that says Dutch Duly construction.

835

So now we know what

Dutch does for a living.

836

we're getting to Chicago now, and

this homeless family literally

837

drops them off at their mansion.

838

I can't imagine what they were thinking.

839

Now granted, we do see that Dutch offers

to give the guy the husband a job.

840

He's like, oh, call the office on Monday.

841

Gives him a, a business card or something.

842

But hey, how about a little reward or

some gas money maybe for driving you

843

from a homeless shelter and we don't

have a home to your literal mansion?

844

I was kind of surprised that was just it.

845

I sort of thought there'd be a bigger,

or maybe that there should have been

846

like a, a bigger help to these people

than just, oh, call my office on Monday.

847

I mean, where are they

gonna go for Thanksgiving?

848

Like they now still have

nowhere to go on Thanksgiving.

849

Like maybe they should have invited

them in to have dinner with them.

850

Perhaps that seems like a missed

opportunity, in my view for a

851

Thanksgiving movie and to show that

you've grown as a human anyway.

852

Now it's Thanksgiving.

853

They're in the mansion now.

854

The dad shows up.

855

He's saying that he now he wants to take

Doyle to spend the day with him, but Doyle

856

no longer is enamored by him because he

lied and he gives his mom this huge hug.

857

So things are going well.

858

I just feel like the wrap up of the

movie was very quick in like quick cuts.

859

Like, okay, we gotta get this in, we

gotta get this in, we gotta get this in.

860

So they make it home.

861

The kid loves his mom, not so

enamored by his dad anymore.

862

We see the dad be a total prick.

863

And that Doyle chooses to spend

Thanksgiving with his mom and Dutch and.

864

Dutch finally gets Doyle back because

remember there's he, throughout the

865

movie, he kept saying, I'm gonna

get you back for that BB gun thing.

866

You, I'm gonna, I'm gonna

get you, I'm gonna get you.

867

So , at the Thanksgiving dinner table,

he does end up getting him back.

868

But the scene again felt rushed or

not well written or thought out.

869

It was just like they shoved

a bunch of things in the last,

870

like five minutes of the movie.

871

And I think that was a mistake

because he says to the kid, there's

872

something very special for your

mom in the pocket of my coat.

873

Why don't you go get that?

874

So clearly we're thinking as an

audience, it's an engagement ring.

875

And the mom probably thinks that too.

876

She's like, oh, you know,

'cause they cut to her face.

877

She's like, oh, what?

878

You know, what is it?

879

What is it?

880

But that was just a ruse to get him

up from the table so the Dutch could

881

actually shoot him with the BB gun.

882

And the mom is just like totally

laughing along ha ha ha ha, you're

883

shooting my child with a BB gun and

I guess I don't get an engagement

884

ring out of this this whole scenario.

885

And then credits roll along with

some extra fireworks scene footage.

886

Like, you know how we talk about

in these John Hughes movies.

887

A lot of times I do let the credits

completely roll because there

888

many times are either a credits

scene or a post credit scene.

889

This did have a credits

footage of just more.

890

It was like, we just have extra footage

of the fireworks scene that wasn't

891

funny in the first place, so we're

just gonna shove that at the end.

892

So it was, it was not

necessary or funny in any way.

893

So I was let down by the end of the movie.

894

There were really good parts about

it, but I think they rushed to

895

conclude the movie with some missed

opportunities, as I mentioned.

896

So that's Dutch, that's the

end of Dutch in Australia.

897

And I think other parts of the world,

like elsewhere internationally,

898

but definitely in Australia.

899

The, the movie was not called

Dutch, it was called Driving

900

Me Crazy, which I don't know.

901

That's fine.

902

Dutch, they're both fine.

903

Like Dutch doesn't give you any indication

as to what the movie's about either.

904

So I, they're fine.

905

I guess there was originally

plans to do a sequel.

906

Of this movie, which

clearly did not materialize.

907

Obviously I did see some disappointing

news, and this is not the first time

908

we hear stuff like this about John

Hughes, but in an interview at O'Neill

909

States that during the shooting the

movie John Hughes was calling him

910

every day like they were best friends.

911

Ed was even invited to

John's house for dinner.

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They were supposed to do other

movies together, but as soon as

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the movie underperformed at the

box office, John Hughes never

914

spoke to Ed O'Neill ever again.

915

Or the director Peter Famine.

916

What the hell, John?

917

And you know, I had, I had indicated

earlier that there were some,

918

because of the poor box office.

919

I think at O'Neill, again, I do really

like him, but this shows that he's a

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really good sport because there was

mention of this movie in passing, in

921

an episode of Married With Children

during an in-flight movie to London

922

as a joke to the film's failure.

923

Obviously Ed was in Married to

Children, star of that show, and

924

then similarly showing a good sport,

the film was shown in, another

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episode of Married With Children.

926

Titled Dial B for Virgin from 94,

where main characters, ed O'Neill and

927

Katie Egal were in a video store and

looked briefly at a rack that showed

928

a poster of the film with a sign over

O'Neill's face that said, free video.

929

So I, I love those kind of things

where he can poke, poke fun at it.

930

So good on you at O'Neill.

931

Oh yeah.

932

So Doyle uses martial arts in the movie

and although in real life at the time

933

of filming, ed O'Neill had actually

been training in Brazilian Juujitsu

934

O'Neill received his black belt from

935

Hmm.

936

Did you guys know that?

937

I don't know if I did.

938

So Doyle tells Dutch that he is a

high brown belt in karate, but Ed

939

O'Neill in real life has a black belt.

940

So anyway, that's kind of fun.

941

Another little tidbit.

942

Is that, so Doyle's last name is

Standish, so Reed and Doyle Standish

943

and the mom, what was her name?

944

Natalie was the mom's name.

945

So their last name is Standish, and there

is another character in the John Hughes

946

universe with the last name Standish.

947

Anyone?

948

Anyone Be Bueller.

949

Bueller.

950

It's from the Breakfast Club

whose last name was Standish.

951

It's never said in the movie, I

don't think, but it is in the script.

952

And her character name

listed in the credits.

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Claire Claire's last name is Standish.

954

So little tidbit there.

955

Now, in terms of casting, we always

talk about potential alternatives here.

956

And apparently John Candy was the

first choice to play Dutch Dooley,

957

which would've been stupid because it

literally would've been plain strange.

958

John Mobiles.

959

Apparently Robert De Niro was also

considered, which at this time

960

he was still doing a lot of very

serious roles, and I know later he

961

would do more of this type of movie.

962

I'll la meet the parents,

but yeah, that's interesting.

963

So I think he could have done it.

964

It was just, I think he was

still you know, doing his like

965

mobster stuff at this time.

966

I guess Mel Gibson turned it

down other considered Tim Allen.

967

Tom Hanks, Jim Belushi, who was in

another Hughes Hughe in Curly Sue from

968

91 Robin Williams, who was in Flubber.

969

John Goodman and Bill Murray were

all, all considered to play Dutch.

970

so that's, that's it for the trivia.

971

I do wanna hear from you guys.

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What do you think about, I

know it's a lesser known movie.

973

It is a Thanksgiving movie,

clearly overshadowed by the, the

974

far more favorable and well-known

planes, trains, and automobiles

975

that we will be covering soon.

976

But let me know what you

guys think about Dutch.

977

I did enjoy it.

978

It wasn't great.

979

It wasn't the funniest movie I've ever

seen, but I did enjoy the rewatch.

980

So I would recommend Rewatching Dutch.

981

It's a great Thanksgiving movie and

to kind of see people grow as humans.

982

So that's kind of a nice little,

little bow for Thanksgiving.

983

And let's see.

984

You can, like I said, send

me an email, let me know.

985

Also, I wanna know if you think it's

similar to over the top like I did but.

986

That's it.

987

For this episode of Dutch from 1991.

988

Thank you for revisiting it with me.

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Please, like I said, send me an

email and get in touch with me.

990

Check out the Facebook page.

991

If you're not over there,

YouTube rate review.

992

Do all of the things that I

always ask you incessantly to do.

993

Just throw me a bone.

994

Maybe do, do it for me as my, as a

Thanksgiving treat for me please.

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But until next time, be kind, rewind.